The Uhura one. I have no problem with what you are calling an inconsistency. She "retired" in 2333 and was promoted to Admiral in SF Inteligence where she remained until after 2360. The timeline works fine without any mental gymnastics and even if she actually retired for a year or two and was offered the job later it still works.
Similarly, my first thought was that it's quite apropos for a "Retired" Starfleet icon to go under the radar into intelligence, so it's not that big a stretch to see the retirement either be temporary, or a guise altogether in the interest of the covert side of things.
@@austenbach3356 technically when she "retired" from Starfleet she was already 96. So are you saying people in the future won't live productive live well beyond 100? There are many depictions of characters (human) doing it.
I always thought Harriman was judged unfairly, he was on a brand new ship loaded with civilians and press and missing most of its critical staff and infrastructure. AND he had the most legendary captain of the fleet hanging at the back of the room to boot. Dude handled things better than most, in my opinion
While there have been a few real life ships that have had remarkable shakedown cruises/sea trials it's a very rare thing because it's the first main testing of a ship before it's maiden voyage. It's also worth noting the Enterprise-B was only put into that situation because somehow it was the only ship in the Sol system (the heart of the Federation) in range to receive the distress call and be able to respond. Yes 3 dimensional space is bloody massive (something that tends to get overlooked by most) but like most series Star Trek has always been a bit inconsistent with distance, speed, and time in space. I agree with you regarding Harriman being unfairly judged.
@@jcohasset23 "Yes 3 dimensional space is bloody massive…" Aye, and most folks even overlook the simple distances. At the speed of light (As far as zooming goes, that is it.) it will still take you half the day just to cross the solar system. That is a _LONG WAY,_ folks. 🙂🖖🌒 Edit: to avoid confusion half the day is about 12 hours in this case.
@@ut000bs The speed of light is why I'm dubious about this planned prequel movie about the formation of Starfleet as without changing canon ST:Enterprise set some pretty hard limits on what technology is available. Even with warp 1 speed that really only allows for the full exploration of our solar system as it would take years to get to the nearest stars.
I really want a series set in the Lost Era. I love the aesthetics of the uniforms, ship and set designs. It's a shame there was never a Captain Sulu series on board the Excelsior. And since Yesterdays Enterprise is my favourite episode of TNG, I'm really looking forward to Rachell Garrett coming back.
I've always felt that Discovery should have been set during that time. Much of Discovery's season 1 plot would have still worked and it would have created fewer plotholes and continuity errors. Beyond having cameos from the original series and movies that period has always been such a blank slate in the Star Trek timeline outside of the books.
2340s are spicy. Narendra III, Khitomer, Cardassians, Tzenkethi, Tholians. They could easily make a Strange New Worlds like series on the lead up to to TNG. Best part of it is that you could easily have Sulu and Chekov as aging admirals on the verge of retirement.
7:37 Either sulu had majorly violated the neutral zone and deep into Klingon space to a few AU of Qonos, or the wave from the destruction of praxis would have not only destroyed qonos, but every star system within the plane of emission (wherever the ripples touched), so probably around 10 million habitable planets. Probably just the "rule of cool" and not physics.
Here's a rewritten version of the scene from *Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country*, with a focus on realistic physics: --- **INT. USS EXCELSIOR - BRIDGE** *Captain HIKARU SULU sits in the captain’s chair, sipping tea. The crew goes about their duties, the atmosphere calm. Suddenly, the communications officer turns, a concerned expression on their face.* **COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER** Captain, we’re picking up unusual readings from the Klingon system. **SULU** (Source: Calmly) Put it on the main viewer. *The main screen flickers, displaying a distant view of the Klingon system. A small, bright flash appears, barely noticeable, followed by a subtle ripple in space.* **SCIENCE OFFICER** Captain, it appears that one of the Klingon moons has exploded. The wave from the explosion is traveling outward, but at this distance, it’s just a faint gravitational ripple. **SULU** How far away is the wave? **SCIENCE OFFICER** Approximately 4.7 light-years, sir. The wave is moving at a fraction of the speed of light. It will pass through our position in about 4 years, but by then, it will have dispersed and will be completely harmless. **SULU** Any threat to Qo'noS or surrounding systems? **SCIENCE OFFICER** No, Captain. The shockwave is too weak to cause significant damage by the time it reaches any other celestial bodies. The explosion might disrupt some local communication and sensor networks, but Qo'noS itself is safe. **SULU** (leans back) Thank you. Open a channel to Starfleet Command. Let them know the Klingons might need assistance dealing with the aftermath. **COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER** Aye, sir. *The crew returns to their duties, the crisis averted before it could even begin. The screen shows the distant Klingon system, with no visible effects from the explosion, just the calm expanse of space.* --- **INT. STARFLEET COMMAND - EARTH** *An ADMIRAL listens to the report from Sulu’s ship. He nods thoughtfully, contemplating the potential diplomatic fallout.* **ADMIRAL** Understood, Excelsior. Maintain your current position and monitor the situation. We’ll dispatch a diplomatic team to offer assistance to the Klingons. **SULU (V.O.)** Aye, sir. Excelsior out. *The screen fades as the admiral prepares to brief his colleagues, aware that the delicate balance of power between the Federation and the Klingon Empire has just shifted, even if the explosion itself was less catastrophic than initially feared.* --- **EXT. KLINGON SYSTEM - SPACE** *A long shot of the Klingon system. Qo'noS and its remaining moons are intact. A faint, dissipating ripple from the explosion of Praxis can be seen as it spreads harmlessly through the vastness of space.* **NARRATOR (V.O.)** In the cold vacuum of space, even the most violent of explosions must bow to the laws of physics. The energy of Praxis's destruction, though immense, disperses over light-years, leaving the Klingon homeworld-and the galaxy-unscathed, save for the ripples of political consequence that follow. *FADE OUT.* --- This version adheres more closely to real physics, where energy dissipates over vast distances in space, making dramatic shockwaves across multiple light-years improbable. The emphasis shifts to the political and strategic implications rather than an immediate, large-scale physical threat.
When I was a kid, the era between TAS and TMP was called the Lesser Interregnum. The time between the movies and TNG was the Greater Interregnum. Or, simply, the Interregnum. It's biblical terminology referring to the time between the old and new testaments. I've also heard "interrestimonial period" to refer to the gap between movies and TNG
I think, the Strange new worlds can go on after the obligatory injury of Captain Pike. The story can follow Ortegas, Noonien-Singh, Number One, and so on. We can reach the time of TNG-DS9-VOY and we can watch the young Picard, Riker, Janeway, Sisko, ... I think, the Strange new worlds don't need to be on the Enterprise. They can bring in new starships.
Something that i have heard often about and it finally dawned on me where it came from….. we often hear in star trek about its “five year missions” and i think i know where this comes from ….. ever since the US navy adopted its “11 carrier navy Policy” its carriers on peacetime Deployment typically planned for a roughly 1/2 year cruises for its four ship on deployment, 4 more ships at the docks recovering from or preparing for their last or next forward deployment , one involved with a training cruise, one involved with short term drydock service, one involved in long term drydock service …. Five year missions are simple the Half decade equivalent to a typical half year peacetime deployment
one thing I really hope we get with more coverage of the lost ere is a dispersion of the failed transwarp notion it didn't fail it rewrote the understanding of warp and became the new standard
You mention that Data gave the first specific date in the Star Trek universe. However, in Star Trek II Wrath of Khan (made in 1982), there's a scene fairly early on in the movie where McCoy gives Kirk a bottle of Romulan Ale for his birthday and Kirk mentions the vintage year as 2283. This is confirmed in the Memory Alpha/Beta Fandom.
Specific in that Data is establishing the present. 2283 references the past, which is a lot more ambiguous. All that means is that Kirk and McCoy's present is at some point after 2283. Technically you're right, but I get what the video was trying to say.
or (later) Starfleet academy instructors! they'd be like Rosencranz and Gilderstern up in the box on the old muppet show. LOVE this. They could build at least a miniseries around that.
I always imagined the cardassians arrived at Bajor and were initially friendly offering higher tech and trade deals, and bit by bit over several years took more and more advantage of the bajorans, requiring outposts and stations to "facilitate" the relationship and eventually started replacing their government and military affairs until eventually launching a full scale occupation, which then lasted 50 years
I really loved the Lost Era books. Exploring a previously-unexplored time gave a lot of background, like the Tomed Incident. And yes, a lot are military in nature, but The Buried Age book is not. In my opinion, that's the best of the lot, following Picard's own lost era: between the Battle of Maxia Zeta in 2355 and his taking command of the Enterprise-D. And the background story, with a 250-million-year-old mystery and reawakening the civilisation was very imaginative.
I would have loved to have seen an Uhura-Picard Short Trek and a Sulu-Rand series in particular. It would also be nice to spend time with the Enterprise -B and see Harriman pass on command to Demora.
My preferred story idea: Capt. Demura Sulu (of the Excelsior A or B) is assigned an adventurous mission. While en route to her assignment, she stops to pick up a much-welcomed advisor; Ambassador Hikaru Sulu.
It is sad we didn't get the Sulu series, it would have been nice to have had that as a "lost era" show, but given that the end of Voyager was to bring in the prequel that was Enterprise, having two different eras would probably have cost them too much to make, so, sadly a Sulu series got the axe... :(
I'd mostly like to see more of the Border Wars between the Federation and the Cardassian Union, especially from an espinage point of view, with both Section 31 and the Obisdian Order.
I've neveliked referring to the Transwarp drive on Excelsior as a failure. When TNG started and they said they couldn't go past Warp 10 (I'm looking at you ST: VOY "Threshold"), I just assumed that the transwarp rive was very succesful and put on all of Starfleet's ships, giving them exponential jumps in outright speed over classic Star Trek Warp drive, and that it's use became so commonplace, that it's informal name amongst engineers and ship's force just reverted back to calling it Warp Drive.
had no idea those lost era novels existed. Always wanted to know more about Odo and Kira's friendship on Terok Nor too, perhaps a TV movie recasting them would be fun?
Happy star trek day everyone live long and prosper and may you all walk in the light of the Crystal as you set your course to the second star to the right and straight on till morning 😊😊
happy Star Trek day. Something in the nature of Star Trek that even the seemingly weak and lost can be redeemed. but loved Sulu being captain of the Excelsior (hardly weak or lost, except perhaps the opportunity for greatness...) Hopefully Skydance will allow Kurtzman to explore his vision and incorporate lost era details, now that they've taken over Paramount
I would totally love to see a Lost Era TV movie, or series. I feel like Herriman would be a great character to revisit, because you've got an element of guilt from what happened with Kirk that could run in the background with the character.
I have a headcannon that Roddenberry was a time traveler from the future but was just like a D student so couldn't actually advance technology but he could write about the sort of stuff humanity was up to. But, again D student, he got none of the dates correct and some major details wrong - sanctuary cities / sacntuary districts for example; when the cellphone was invented. But he bullshitted his way through federation high school before being sucked back in time, so he could at least write fanfics about space life! Mind you that has to ignore everything to do with his actual life, many quotes, and the facts governing some decisions like "the transporter works like that to save money" but hey if he wanted to be in the story he could be ...
... will we FINALY see the Kzin in live action?! They were in The Animated Series, and we have them in Lower Decks, and several series have ALMOST gotten to show them but never quite got to them.
Star Trek II's opening clearly flashes on the screen after the credits- In the 23rd Century. Peter David's The Captain's Daughter also gave more insight on Capt. Harriman's character.
I'd love to see more material from that lost ear. I'd also love to see more about another lost ear, 2155 to 2256, the period between the end of ENT (not counting the god awful finale...) and the start of DIS. Aside from the fan projects The Romulan Wars and Pacific 201, which is set in 2200, we haven't seen anything.
For appearing in a single episode of TNG, Rachel Garrett has a surprising amount of fiction dedicated to her. I hope Tricia O'Neil is happy about that.
I would love to see a lost era trek. I always have. Too bad the days of it being on TV are long gone and I refuse to pay to watch stuff. I am too broke for it anyway.
About that last point about everything being too militaristic and politically themed, and not seeing more first contacts, scientific discoveries and first meetings between beloved characters, that's where Strange New Worlds has done it right. Think the Lost in Translation episode, and the first meeting between Kirk and Spock is via Uhura in the mess hall, after a weird day. We all love the action, but the smaller moments like that have disproportionate hitting power.
They could totally make a whole bunch of one-off episodes just from this era. If they wanted they could incorporate previous Trek guest stars from the TOS/film era and set them in a time appropriate to those people's ages now. Like, that whole story with Harriman and the fake new technology sounds fantastic. Harriman's actor is 68 now. Make it happen!
I met George Takei at a convention back in the 90's, and when I asked him why we don't have a Sulu Series, he flatly responded "Because Paramount doesn't want a Gay man in the Captain's seat." And this was before he officially came out.
Perhaps if his attention was more focused on being a great actor instead of being a gay actor, the issue would have sorted itself out. Identity politics only goes so far.
@@DG-tv In what way was he disrespecting Takei? The fact remains that he played a Starfleet captain and had a important role in Star trek 6 in 1991. Paramount didn't seem to have a problem then.
@DG-tv sorry to be the grammar police but its a pet peeve of mine: Takei wasn't an official so he can't do anything "officially". perhaps he formally came out? or publicly?
Fascinating! I've always thought of "The Lost Era" as the 1970s, after the end of the original series and before the movies and The Next Generation, when all we had were the "making of" books, the Animated Series (where the holodeck was introduced), the novels (which you have gone into in great detail here) and endless reruns of the original series (the best part of my life!). The novel I remember from this time I think may have been called First Contact, about a Vulcan mother and son in Antarctica, trying to avoid detection because they may have travelled back in time and didn't want to cause an anachronism.
It wasn't though. That was the era when an often-ridiculed low-ratings failure slowly transformed into a cult classic, then a legend. That was the era when the cons and cosplay, fanzines, fan-art, fan-fic and spinoff fic, people building the bridge in their basement, and fan productions all began. It was the era that saw Trek fandom's most exponential growth (by 1980 it was at least ten times bigger than it was in 1970). It was the era when the write-in campaign got the POTUS to change the name of the real prototype Space Shuttle to name it after our imaginary ship. It was the Golden Age.
I guess what I'm saying is: the beating heart of Star Trek is not in some studio executive's office, or even on the sound stage. Its in the fandom -independent of any production.
I'd still like to see a series set on the Stargazer. See the young Captain Picard, before he was the man we meet on the Enterprise. As Riker put it in Tapestry, "I wish I could have known THAT Jean-Luc Picard."
Here's the thing about the Lost Era and revisiting it now--I don't trust we can do it justice and not turn it into another dark and broody Picard/Discovery-esque offering. The Lost Era was probably the Federation's golden age in terms of the lack of large scale devastating conflicts for Federation member worlds, technology advancement, exploration, and raw competency of the leadership. In other words, it was a product of 1980s retrospect on the pinnacle of the American Empire of the Cold War period in the same way TNG was a product of the hopefulness of the end of the Cold War. Star Trek has always been tied intimately to the ethos of the period of time it was produced. We're in a time of conflict and civil strife across the world right now, and I worry that instead of using the Lost Era to send a message of hope, it'll just become another period of grimdark conflict reflecting the general malaise of the 2020s or turn into a campy overshot meme-fest like Strange New Worlds likes to flirt with. Or worse, it will become a Disney Star Wars-esque parade of cameos and Easter Eggs with very little meaningful content or philosophy like Season 3 of Picard was. I'd rather this era stay lost than be corrupted. Don't get me wrong, I am enjoying modern Trek immensely, but sometimes getting what you ask for is worse than wanting it.
Oh Hai Ellie... you look like you could use a shave. The lost era is interesting in tht there are two distinct eras involved. The Kitomer era where the politics were shifted to the "East" side and focused on Romulan/Klingon affairs. The later half sees the federation move to more western expansion and focuses on Cardassia What does it all mean? That we are about 7-8 years overdue for a proper revised quadrant map.
7:37 Either sulu had majorly violated the neutral zone and deep into Klingon space to a few AU of Qonos, or the wave from the destruction of praxis would have not only destroyed qonos, but every star system within the plane of emission (wherever the ripples touched), so probably around 10 million habitable planets. Probably just the "rule of cool" and not physics.
7:37 Either sulu had majorly violated the neutral zone and deep into Klingon space to a few AU of Qonos, or the wave from the destruction of praxis would have not only destroyed qonos, but every star system within the plane of emission (wherever the ripples touched), so probably around 10 million habitable planets. Probably just the "rule of cool" and not physics.
I think I'm in the minority but i don't want to see a series or movies set in the lost era for a few reasons. One, I like the mystery and mystique it has. It's always been fun when a character mentioned something that happened in that era during a story on TNG or DS9. I'd rather it get some spot visits like on Voyager's episode Flashback. I'd prefer the lost era be used to add context to "current" post nemesis timeline set after season 3 Picard. (Yes I know disco and Starfleet academy are further out in the timeline but they're so far in the future they barely feel part of the rest of history, to me anyway. And finally, although the books aren't even canon to begin with, it'd be a shame to see those stories officially overwritten by whatever canon a new tv show or movie set in the lost era would present. But again, I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority here judging from the comments. Great video either way. There were quite a few tidbits from the lost era novels here I wasn't aware of. Happy Star Trek Day everyone 🖖🏻
I'd like a series of the Enterprise C. I also have many ideas for a Klingon series that mixes with DS9 (new era/ current time) and a new Enterprise F crew. I'd love to pitch it to Paramount.
I was really hoping that Star Trek: Picard would be Patrick Stewart sipping wine in France, while recounting stories (which make up the bulk of the show) about his time on the Stargazer, and the love triangle between him, Beverly, and Jack, all running around in those fantastic Monster Maroon uniforms... Ah, well. I still hope we get to the Lost Era on screen at some point. I'm still holding out hope for the title card: "Wil Wheaton as Jack Crusher"
Paramount will only produce so much content. I think in the early 2000's they saturated the market with too much Trek and the quality suffered. Until this video I was unaware of The Lost Era novels (is the writing decent?). Also, fans have created their own video content. Hopefully, you find the inspiration to write your wishlist.
@@michaelbayer5094 Lost area novels are all pretty good, I would read The Captain's Daughter by Peter David (pre Lost era) then The Lost Era 2319: One Constant Star
intresting thing the federation cardassian wars were still technically going on during the first seasons of the tng. O'Brien confuses me he was fighting on the front lines and somehow then ends up miles away from the fighting. unless at some point he was badly injured it seems odd he wouldn't be posted back to his original ship.
I for one am less concerned with backfilling stories than moving ahead. Whether it's Legacy or something else, I want Trek to move post-Picard. Discovery's time jump was a step in the right direction.
The fact the Picard writers wanted to do a Short Trek with a story involving Uhura, Picard and the Borg once again shows the current custodians have a fundamental misunderstanding of Star Trek...
7:37 Either sulu had majorly violated the neutral zone and deep into Klingon space to a few AU of Qonos, or the wave from the destruction of praxis would have not only destroyed qonos, but every star system within the plane of emission (wherever the ripples touched), so probably around 10 million habitable planets. Probably just the "rule of cool" and not physics.
Here's a rewritten version of the scene from *Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country*, with a focus on realistic physics: --- **INT. USS EXCELSIOR - BRIDGE** *Captain HIKARU SULU sits in the captain’s chair, sipping tea. The crew goes about their duties, the atmosphere calm. Suddenly, the communications officer turns, a concerned expression on their face.* **COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER** Captain, we’re picking up unusual readings from the Klingon system. **SULU** (Source: Calmly) Put it on the main viewer. *The main screen flickers, displaying a distant view of the Klingon system. A small, bright flash appears, barely noticeable, followed by a subtle ripple in space.* **SCIENCE OFFICER** Captain, it appears that one of the Klingon moons has exploded. The wave from the explosion is traveling outward, but at this distance, it’s just a faint gravitational ripple. **SULU** How far away is the wave? **SCIENCE OFFICER** Approximately 4.7 light-years, sir. The wave is moving at a fraction of the speed of light. It will pass through our position in about 4 years, but by then, it will have dispersed and will be completely harmless. **SULU** Any threat to Qo'noS or surrounding systems? **SCIENCE OFFICER** No, Captain. The shockwave is too weak to cause significant damage by the time it reaches any other celestial bodies. The explosion might disrupt some local communication and sensor networks, but Qo'noS itself is safe. **SULU** (leans back) Thank you. Open a channel to Starfleet Command. Let them know the Klingons might need assistance dealing with the aftermath. **COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER** Aye, sir. *The crew returns to their duties, the crisis averted before it could even begin. The screen shows the distant Klingon system, with no visible effects from the explosion, just the calm expanse of space.* --- **INT. STARFLEET COMMAND - EARTH** *An ADMIRAL listens to the report from Sulu’s ship. He nods thoughtfully, contemplating the potential diplomatic fallout.* **ADMIRAL** Understood, Excelsior. Maintain your current position and monitor the situation. We’ll dispatch a diplomatic team to offer assistance to the Klingons. **SULU (V.O.)** Aye, sir. Excelsior out. *The screen fades as the admiral prepares to brief his colleagues, aware that the delicate balance of power between the Federation and the Klingon Empire has just shifted, even if the explosion itself was less catastrophic than initially feared.* --- **EXT. KLINGON SYSTEM - SPACE** *A long shot of the Klingon system. Qo'noS and its remaining moons are intact. A faint, dissipating ripple from the explosion of Praxis can be seen as it spreads harmlessly through the vastness of space.* **NARRATOR (V.O.)** In the cold vacuum of space, even the most violent of explosions must bow to the laws of physics. The energy of Praxis's destruction, though immense, disperses over light-years, leaving the Klingon homeworld-and the galaxy-unscathed, save for the ripples of political consequence that follow. *FADE OUT.* --- This version adheres more closely to real physics, where energy dissipates over vast distances in space, making dramatic shockwaves across multiple light-years improbable. The emphasis shifts to the political and strategic implications rather than an immediate, large-scale physical threat.
Here's a rewritten version of the scene from *Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country*, with a focus on realistic physics: --- **INT. USS EXCELSIOR - BRIDGE** *Captain HIKARU SULU sits in the captain’s chair, sipping tea. The crew goes about their duties, the atmosphere calm. Suddenly, the communications officer turns, a concerned expression on their face.* **COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER** Captain, we’re picking up unusual readings from the Klingon system. **SULU** (Source: Calmly) Put it on the main viewer. *The main screen flickers, displaying a distant view of the Klingon system. A small, bright flash appears, barely noticeable, followed by a subtle ripple in space.* **SCIENCE OFFICER** Captain, it appears that one of the Klingon moons has exploded. The wave from the explosion is traveling outward, but at this distance, it’s just a faint gravitational ripple. **SULU** How far away is the wave? **SCIENCE OFFICER** Approximately 4.7 light-years, sir. The wave is moving at a fraction of the speed of light. It will pass through our position in about 4 years, but by then, it will have dispersed and will be completely harmless. **SULU** Any threat to Qo'noS or surrounding systems? **SCIENCE OFFICER** No, Captain. The shockwave is too weak to cause significant damage by the time it reaches any other celestial bodies. The explosion might disrupt some local communication and sensor networks, but Qo'noS itself is safe. **SULU** (leans back) Thank you. Open a channel to Starfleet Command. Let them know the Klingons might need assistance dealing with the aftermath. **COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER** Aye, sir. *The crew returns to their duties, the crisis averted before it could even begin. The screen shows the distant Klingon system, with no visible effects from the explosion, just the calm expanse of space.* --- **INT. STARFLEET COMMAND - EARTH** *An ADMIRAL listens to the report from Sulu’s ship. He nods thoughtfully, contemplating the potential diplomatic fallout.* **ADMIRAL** Understood, Excelsior. Maintain your current position and monitor the situation. We’ll dispatch a diplomatic team to offer assistance to the Klingons. **SULU (V.O.)** Aye, sir. Excelsior out. *The screen fades as the admiral prepares to brief his colleagues, aware that the delicate balance of power between the Federation and the Klingon Empire has just shifted, even if the explosion itself was less catastrophic than initially feared.* --- **EXT. KLINGON SYSTEM - SPACE** *A long shot of the Klingon system. Qo'noS and its remaining moons are intact. A faint, dissipating ripple from the explosion of Praxis can be seen as it spreads harmlessly through the vastness of space.* **NARRATOR (V.O.)** In the cold vacuum of space, even the most violent of explosions must bow to the laws of physics. The energy of Praxis's destruction, though immense, disperses over light-years, leaving the Klingon homeworld-and the galaxy-unscathed, save for the ripples of political consequence that follow. *FADE OUT.* --- This version adheres more closely to real physics, where energy dissipates over vast distances in space, making dramatic shockwaves across multiple light-years improbable. The emphasis shifts to the political and strategic implications rather than an immediate, large-scale physical threat.
Here's a rewritten version of the scene from *Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country*, with a focus on realistic physics: --- **INT. USS EXCELSIOR - BRIDGE** *Captain HIKARU SULU sits in the captain’s chair, sipping tea. The crew goes about their duties, the atmosphere calm. Suddenly, the communications officer turns, a concerned expression on their face.* **COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER** Captain, we’re picking up unusual readings from the Klingon system. **SULU** (Source: Calmly) Put it on the main viewer. *The main screen flickers, displaying a distant view of the Klingon system. A small, bright flash appears, barely noticeable, followed by a subtle ripple in space.* **SCIENCE OFFICER** Captain, it appears that one of the Klingon moons has exploded. The wave from the explosion is traveling outward, but at this distance, it’s just a faint gravitational ripple. **SULU** How far away is the wave? **SCIENCE OFFICER** Approximately 4.7 light-years, sir. The wave is moving at a fraction of the speed of light. It will pass through our position in about 4 years, but by then, it will have dispersed and will be completely harmless. **SULU** Any threat to Qo'noS or surrounding systems? **SCIENCE OFFICER** No, Captain. The shockwave is too weak to cause significant damage by the time it reaches any other celestial bodies. The explosion might disrupt some local communication and sensor networks, but Qo'noS itself is safe. **SULU** (leans back) Thank you. Open a channel to Starfleet Command. Let them know the Klingons might need assistance dealing with the aftermath. **COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER** Aye, sir. *The crew returns to their duties, the crisis averted before it could even begin. The screen shows the distant Klingon system, with no visible effects from the explosion, just the calm expanse of space.* --- **INT. STARFLEET COMMAND - EARTH** *An ADMIRAL listens to the report from Sulu’s ship. He nods thoughtfully, contemplating the potential diplomatic fallout.* **ADMIRAL** Understood, Excelsior. Maintain your current position and monitor the situation. We’ll dispatch a diplomatic team to offer assistance to the Klingons. **SULU (V.O.)** Aye, sir. Excelsior out. *The screen fades as the admiral prepares to brief his colleagues, aware that the delicate balance of power between the Federation and the Klingon Empire has just shifted, even if the explosion itself was less catastrophic than initially feared.* --- **EXT. KLINGON SYSTEM - SPACE** *A long shot of the Klingon system. Qo'noS and its remaining moons are intact. A faint, dissipating ripple from the explosion of Praxis can be seen as it spreads harmlessly through the vastness of space.* **NARRATOR (V.O.)** In the cold vacuum of space, even the most violent of explosions must bow to the laws of physics. The energy of Praxis's destruction, though immense, disperses over light-years, leaving the Klingon homeworld-and the galaxy-unscathed, save for the ripples of political consequence that follow. *FADE OUT.* --- This version adheres more closely to real physics, where energy dissipates over vast distances in space, making dramatic shockwaves across multiple light-years improbable. The emphasis shifts to the political and strategic implications rather than an immediate, large-scale physical threat.
Excellent vid. It addresses many unanswered questions I've had concerning back stories, character history & development 😁👍🏻 As I understand it, the Enterprise's 5 year mission was extended by 2 years by the inclusion of STAS 《Star Trek Animated Series 》🤷🏻♂️❓️ One BIG question is the relationship between Scotty & Uhura. In a scene apparently deleted from the STTNG episode 'Relics' 《S6, E4》 Scotty lamented that he wasn't going to make his rendezvous with Uhura to begin their mutual planned retirement together. Also, from the way they interacted in 'ST V: The Final Frontier' 💞 💩 Too bad your captioning is shitty. It detracts from the quality of your vid. because it cannot spell things correctly 😠👎 --Live Long & Prosper 🖖🏻👽🛸✨️ 🌌🔭
Interested in the 'lost era'? Yep! But the lost era with Section 31? Not in the slightest. Maybe the 'long Trek' will surprise me -- I'm open to that -- but right now I am at rock bottom expectations. I was already skeptical for a while, but that godawful trailer did a lot more damage than my cynical outlook could have ever done. Section 31 as a concept, I could go the rest of my life never hearing about it again. It's played out. It's boring. It works best as a once or twice a series surprise. Yet in modern Trek it feels like it's taken on a much larger, disappointing role.
Can attest to this, would love a show showing the Enterprise C even with its fate Semi known. Would’ve been nice to return to an almost TNG esk show. But now we’re gonna get non-stop action rather than a nicely wrote story that only uses fighting with the plot rather than maintaining the viewers attention
The Uhura one. I have no problem with what you are calling an inconsistency. She "retired" in 2333 and was promoted to Admiral in SF Inteligence where she remained until after 2360. The timeline works fine without any mental gymnastics and even if she actually retired for a year or two and was offered the job later it still works.
Similarly, my first thought was that it's quite apropos for a "Retired" Starfleet icon to go under the radar into intelligence, so it's not that big a stretch to see the retirement either be temporary, or a guise altogether in the interest of the covert side of things.
@@johncampbell2297, like people won't come out of retirement in the future😂
Except she'd be 100 years old
@@austenbach3356 technically when she "retired" from Starfleet she was already 96. So are you saying people in the future won't live productive live well beyond 100? There are many depictions of characters (human) doing it.
It could also be how military people "retire" for a civilian job, such as many former US Navy folk who ended up at NASA.
I always thought Harriman was judged unfairly, he was on a brand new ship loaded with civilians and press and missing most of its critical staff and infrastructure.
AND he had the most legendary captain of the fleet hanging at the back of the room to boot. Dude handled things better than most, in my opinion
@@KaiCrafted They arrive on Tuesday.
While there have been a few real life ships that have had remarkable shakedown cruises/sea trials it's a very rare thing because it's the first main testing of a ship before it's maiden voyage. It's also worth noting the Enterprise-B was only put into that situation because somehow it was the only ship in the Sol system (the heart of the Federation) in range to receive the distress call and be able to respond. Yes 3 dimensional space is bloody massive (something that tends to get overlooked by most) but like most series Star Trek has always been a bit inconsistent with distance, speed, and time in space. I agree with you regarding Harriman being unfairly judged.
@@jcohasset23 "Yes 3 dimensional space is bloody massive…"
Aye, and most folks even overlook the simple distances.
At the speed of light (As far as zooming goes, that is it.) it will still take you half the day just to cross the solar system.
That is a _LONG WAY,_ folks. 🙂🖖🌒
Edit: to avoid confusion half the day is about 12 hours in this case.
@@ut000bs The speed of light is why I'm dubious about this planned prequel movie about the formation of Starfleet as without changing canon ST:Enterprise set some pretty hard limits on what technology is available. Even with warp 1 speed that really only allows for the full exploration of our solar system as it would take years to get to the nearest stars.
I really want a series set in the Lost Era. I love the aesthetics of the uniforms, ship and set designs. It's a shame there was never a Captain Sulu series on board the Excelsior. And since Yesterdays Enterprise is my favourite episode of TNG, I'm really looking forward to Rachell Garrett coming back.
I've always felt that Discovery should have been set during that time. Much of Discovery's season 1 plot would have still worked and it would have created fewer plotholes and continuity errors. Beyond having cameos from the original series and movies that period has always been such a blank slate in the Star Trek timeline outside of the books.
Indeed. I want a starship with kids again. Makes it seem more like home.
2340s are spicy. Narendra III, Khitomer, Cardassians, Tzenkethi, Tholians. They could easily make a Strange New Worlds like series on the lead up to to TNG. Best part of it is that you could easily have Sulu and Chekov as aging admirals on the verge of retirement.
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Either sulu had majorly violated the neutral zone and deep into Klingon space to a few AU of Qonos, or the wave from the destruction of praxis would have not only destroyed qonos, but every star system within the plane of emission (wherever the ripples touched), so probably around 10 million habitable planets. Probably just the "rule of cool" and not physics.
Here's a rewritten version of the scene from *Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country*, with a focus on realistic physics:
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**INT. USS EXCELSIOR - BRIDGE**
*Captain HIKARU SULU sits in the captain’s chair, sipping tea. The crew goes about their duties, the atmosphere calm. Suddenly, the communications officer turns, a concerned expression on their face.*
**COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER**
Captain, we’re picking up unusual readings from the Klingon system.
**SULU**
(Source: Calmly)
Put it on the main viewer.
*The main screen flickers, displaying a distant view of the Klingon system. A small, bright flash appears, barely noticeable, followed by a subtle ripple in space.*
**SCIENCE OFFICER**
Captain, it appears that one of the Klingon moons has exploded. The wave from the explosion is traveling outward, but at this distance, it’s just a faint gravitational ripple.
**SULU**
How far away is the wave?
**SCIENCE OFFICER**
Approximately 4.7 light-years, sir. The wave is moving at a fraction of the speed of light. It will pass through our position in about 4 years, but by then, it will have dispersed and will be completely harmless.
**SULU**
Any threat to Qo'noS or surrounding systems?
**SCIENCE OFFICER**
No, Captain. The shockwave is too weak to cause significant damage by the time it reaches any other celestial bodies. The explosion might disrupt some local communication and sensor networks, but Qo'noS itself is safe.
**SULU**
(leans back)
Thank you. Open a channel to Starfleet Command. Let them know the Klingons might need assistance dealing with the aftermath.
**COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER**
Aye, sir.
*The crew returns to their duties, the crisis averted before it could even begin. The screen shows the distant Klingon system, with no visible effects from the explosion, just the calm expanse of space.*
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**INT. STARFLEET COMMAND - EARTH**
*An ADMIRAL listens to the report from Sulu’s ship. He nods thoughtfully, contemplating the potential diplomatic fallout.*
**ADMIRAL**
Understood, Excelsior. Maintain your current position and monitor the situation. We’ll dispatch a diplomatic team to offer assistance to the Klingons.
**SULU (V.O.)**
Aye, sir. Excelsior out.
*The screen fades as the admiral prepares to brief his colleagues, aware that the delicate balance of power between the Federation and the Klingon Empire has just shifted, even if the explosion itself was less catastrophic than initially feared.*
---
**EXT. KLINGON SYSTEM - SPACE**
*A long shot of the Klingon system. Qo'noS and its remaining moons are intact. A faint, dissipating ripple from the explosion of Praxis can be seen as it spreads harmlessly through the vastness of space.*
**NARRATOR (V.O.)**
In the cold vacuum of space, even the most violent of explosions must bow to the laws of physics. The energy of Praxis's destruction, though immense, disperses over light-years, leaving the Klingon homeworld-and the galaxy-unscathed, save for the ripples of political consequence that follow.
*FADE OUT.*
---
This version adheres more closely to real physics, where energy dissipates over vast distances in space, making dramatic shockwaves across multiple light-years improbable. The emphasis shifts to the political and strategic implications rather than an immediate, large-scale physical threat.
The 2330s and 2340s would be awesome to explore
When I was a kid, the era between TAS and TMP was called the Lesser Interregnum. The time between the movies and TNG was the Greater Interregnum. Or, simply, the Interregnum.
It's biblical terminology referring to the time between the old and new testaments.
I've also heard "interrestimonial period" to refer to the gap between movies and TNG
I think, the Strange new worlds can go on after the obligatory injury of Captain Pike. The story can follow Ortegas, Noonien-Singh, Number One, and so on. We can reach the time of TNG-DS9-VOY and we can watch the young Picard, Riker, Janeway, Sisko, ... I think, the Strange new worlds don't need to be on the Enterprise. They can bring in new starships.
LOL no. No one would watch that. Ortegas..lol
Star Trek: Starship should be a series
Happy Star Trek day! Btw am I the only one who noticed that his name is now Ellie Littlechild?? 🤣
It's okay. Ellie's name became Séan in the last video.
@@TheGreatIchigo wait- they're different people irl? 🤯
Lol good catch! They accidentally labeled Ellie as Sean in another video, and I guess this is their way of making up for it.
Something that i have heard often about and it finally dawned on me where it came from….. we often hear in star trek about its “five year missions” and i think i know where this comes from ….. ever since the US navy adopted its “11 carrier navy Policy” its carriers on peacetime Deployment typically planned for a roughly 1/2 year cruises for its four ship on deployment, 4 more ships at the docks recovering from or preparing for their last or next forward deployment , one involved with a training cruise, one involved with short term drydock service, one involved in long term drydock service ….
Five year missions are simple the Half decade equivalent to a typical half year peacetime deployment
one thing I really hope we get with more coverage of the lost ere is a dispersion of the failed transwarp notion it didn't fail it rewrote the understanding of warp and became the new standard
Happy Star Trek Day!🖖❤️
A show about the Enterprise C, with an uneasy peace with the Klingons, and Political outings to help the Federations alliances sounds so good to me!
I’d like to know about Saavik’s later career. (Kirstie Alley version, please.)
We need more Morn episodes….it can be like Charlie’s angels…IN SPACE!!!!
You mention that Data gave the first specific date in the Star Trek universe. However, in Star Trek II Wrath of Khan (made in 1982), there's a scene fairly early on in the movie where McCoy gives Kirk a bottle of Romulan Ale for his birthday and Kirk mentions the vintage year as 2283. This is confirmed in the Memory Alpha/Beta Fandom.
Specific in that Data is establishing the present. 2283 references the past, which is a lot more ambiguous. All that means is that Kirk and McCoy's present is at some point after 2283. Technically you're right, but I get what the video was trying to say.
I would’ve loved to see Captain Sulu with first officer Chekov and their shenanigans. I bet they would’ve loved pranking fresh ensigns
or (later) Starfleet academy instructors! they'd be like Rosencranz and Gilderstern up in the box on the old muppet show. LOVE this.
They could build at least a miniseries around that.
I always imagined the cardassians arrived at Bajor and were initially friendly offering higher tech and trade deals, and bit by bit over several years took more and more advantage of the bajorans, requiring outposts and stations to "facilitate" the relationship and eventually started replacing their government and military affairs until eventually launching a full scale occupation, which then lasted 50 years
I really loved the Lost Era books. Exploring a previously-unexplored time gave a lot of background, like the Tomed Incident. And yes, a lot are military in nature, but The Buried Age book is not. In my opinion, that's the best of the lot, following Picard's own lost era: between the Battle of Maxia Zeta in 2355 and his taking command of the Enterprise-D. And the background story, with a 250-million-year-old mystery and reawakening the civilisation was very imaginative.
I had every one of the Lost Era books and loved them all.
I would have loved to have seen an Uhura-Picard Short Trek and a Sulu-Rand series in particular. It would also be nice to spend time with the Enterprise -B and see Harriman pass on command to Demora.
My preferred story idea: Capt. Demura Sulu (of the Excelsior A or B) is assigned an adventurous mission. While en route to her assignment, she stops to pick up a much-welcomed advisor; Ambassador Hikaru Sulu.
It is sad we didn't get the Sulu series, it would have been nice to have had that as a "lost era" show, but given that the end of Voyager was to bring in the prequel that was Enterprise, having two different eras would probably have cost them too much to make, so, sadly a Sulu series got the axe... :(
We could still have a Sulu series but centre it around Demora rather than her father.
I would have preferred the sulu series as opposed to enterprise
Captain Harriman's greatest obstacle was constantly living in the shadow of Admiral Ferris Bueller.😂
@@TLowGrrreen It started badly too, after he wrecked his dad’s vintage NX after playing hooky from school.
Happy Star Trek Day, you lovely Trekkies! I love this franchise so very much. Live long and prosper!
Also, I strongly recommend the Nichelle Nichols documentary on Paramount. It left me in tears and so inspired by what Star Trek means.
Happy Star Trek day folks! Live logs and proper!
Isn't that in April ?
@@chefdean7257 that's first contact day
@@robg8307 In universe, sure. But for the last thirty years, it's been known as Trek Day, like May The 4th is Wars day. So, what makes this Trek day ?
@@chefdean7257 on this date in 1966 the first episode premiered
@@robg8307 Two points;
Isn't that tomorrow ? September 9th, 1966 ?
And does that mean Star Wars day is May 20th, then ?
I'd mostly like to see more of the Border Wars between the Federation and the Cardassian Union, especially from an espinage point of view, with both Section 31 and the Obisdian Order.
Harriman was also in charge of designing the Ambassador-class and its sequel, the Narendra-class.
I've neveliked referring to the Transwarp drive on Excelsior as a failure. When TNG started and they said they couldn't go past Warp 10 (I'm looking at you ST: VOY "Threshold"), I just assumed that the transwarp rive was very succesful and put on all of Starfleet's ships, giving them exponential jumps in outright speed over classic Star Trek Warp drive, and that it's use became so commonplace, that it's informal name amongst engineers and ship's force just reverted back to calling it Warp Drive.
That's what I always assumed, it makes sense with the new warp scale TNG had as well.
had no idea those lost era novels existed. Always wanted to know more about Odo and Kira's friendship on Terok Nor too, perhaps a TV movie recasting them would be fun?
That's a great T shirt, Sean.
Happy star trek day everyone live long and prosper and may you all walk in the light of the Crystal as you set your course to the second star to the right and straight on till morning 😊😊
Best Star Trek Day content so far as I've seen.
I'd like to see more about the Cardassian Occupation
happy Star Trek day. Something in the nature of Star Trek that even the seemingly weak and lost can be redeemed. but loved Sulu being captain of the Excelsior (hardly weak or lost, except perhaps the opportunity for greatness...) Hopefully Skydance will allow Kurtzman to explore his vision and incorporate lost era details, now that they've taken over Paramount
I would totally love to see a Lost Era TV movie, or series.
I feel like Herriman would be a great character to revisit, because you've got an element of guilt from what happened with Kirk that could run in the background with the character.
OT, but that book compiling all the novels (with occasional stories behind them) is utterly fantastic.
I have a headcannon that Roddenberry was a time traveler from the future but was just like a D student so couldn't actually advance technology but he could write about the sort of stuff humanity was up to. But, again D student, he got none of the dates correct and some major details wrong - sanctuary cities / sacntuary districts for example; when the cellphone was invented. But he bullshitted his way through federation high school before being sucked back in time, so he could at least write fanfics about space life!
Mind you that has to ignore everything to do with his actual life, many quotes, and the facts governing some decisions like "the transporter works like that to save money" but hey if he wanted to be in the story he could be ...
I love these videos! Thank you for them and thanks for doing such a great job making them with your team.
The Lost Era. Fascinating
Happy Star Trek day 🖖
... will we FINALY see the Kzin in live action?!
They were in The Animated Series, and we have them in Lower Decks, and several series have ALMOST gotten to show them but never quite got to them.
Love your vid!!! One thing, The lost era would start at the Death of Kirk but not end at Far Point because Far Point happened beforehand.
I want the Tomed Incident. I think it's SOOO worth doing. There are so many amazing stories that could come out of that.
Can't wait to see what NEW, new Trek will look like.
In defense of Captain Harriman, he was in the presence of a living legend in Kirk, and his ship was unfinished and only out for a shakedown cruise.
So much retcon done so well. Just a question of how to avoid continuity messes.
I haven't read any on the Lost Era books, but just assumed Harriman's less than stellar performance as captain was just a case of being star struck.
Star Trek II's opening clearly flashes on the screen after the credits- In the 23rd Century.
Peter David's The Captain's Daughter also gave more insight on Capt. Harriman's character.
I'd love to see more material from that lost ear. I'd also love to see more about another lost ear, 2155 to 2256, the period between the end of ENT (not counting the god awful finale...) and the start of DIS. Aside from the fan projects The Romulan Wars and Pacific 201, which is set in 2200, we haven't seen anything.
For appearing in a single episode of TNG, Rachel Garrett has a surprising amount of fiction dedicated to her. I hope Tricia O'Neil is happy about that.
02:30 that must be devastating for timeline-obsessed star trek fans to hear.
Great episode. Proper geek 👍
I would love to see a lost era trek. I always have. Too bad the days of it being on TV are long gone and I refuse to pay to watch stuff. I am too broke for it anyway.
About that last point about everything being too militaristic and politically themed, and not seeing more first contacts, scientific discoveries and first meetings between beloved characters, that's where Strange New Worlds has done it right. Think the Lost in Translation episode, and the first meeting between Kirk and Spock is via Uhura in the mess hall, after a weird day. We all love the action, but the smaller moments like that have disproportionate hitting power.
16:41 I’d still be happier with a legit series
They could totally make a whole bunch of one-off episodes just from this era. If they wanted they could incorporate previous Trek guest stars from the TOS/film era and set them in a time appropriate to those people's ages now. Like, that whole story with Harriman and the fake new technology sounds fantastic. Harriman's actor is 68 now. Make it happen!
Wasn't harriman also ferris buellers friend?
I would love to see a story of the three wars fought against the Kzinti. Did the Federation know the Caitians before the Kzinti or discovered after?
I really need a Lost Era Star Trek show.
I met George Takei at a convention back in the 90's, and when I asked him why we don't have a Sulu Series, he flatly responded "Because Paramount doesn't want a Gay man in the Captain's seat."
And this was before he officially came out.
I respect the work Takei has done for protetcting the civil rights of oppressed groups, but was he stating fact or opinion?
Perhaps if his attention was more focused on being a great actor instead of being a gay actor, the issue would have sorted itself out. Identity politics only goes so far.
@@blcouchAh. So now your disrespecting Takei. Classy.
@@DG-tv In what way was he disrespecting Takei? The fact remains that he played a Starfleet captain and had a important role in Star trek 6 in 1991. Paramount didn't seem to have a problem then.
@DG-tv sorry to be the grammar police but its a pet peeve of mine: Takei wasn't an official so he can't do anything "officially". perhaps he formally came out? or publicly?
Fascinating!
I've always thought of "The Lost Era" as the 1970s, after the end of the original series and before the movies and The Next Generation, when all we had were the "making of" books, the Animated Series (where the holodeck was introduced), the novels (which you have gone into in great detail here) and endless reruns of the original series (the best part of my life!).
The novel I remember from this time I think may have been called First Contact, about a Vulcan mother and son in Antarctica, trying to avoid detection because they may have travelled back in time and didn't want to cause an anachronism.
It wasn't though. That was the era when an often-ridiculed low-ratings failure slowly transformed into a cult classic, then a legend. That was the era when the cons and cosplay, fanzines, fan-art, fan-fic and spinoff fic, people building the bridge in their basement, and fan productions all began. It was the era that saw Trek fandom's most exponential growth (by 1980 it was at least ten times bigger than it was in 1970). It was the era when the write-in campaign got the POTUS to change the name of the real prototype Space Shuttle to name it after our imaginary ship. It was the Golden Age.
I guess what I'm saying is: the beating heart of Star Trek is not in some studio executive's office, or even on the sound stage. Its in the fandom -independent of any production.
@@jv-lk7bc Yes! We're the ones who actually got them to do a third season in the first place!
The subtitles an this video converted Cardassians to Karsashians 😅😅😅
Well....aren't they both reptile like?😂
If you've watched ds9, you've kept up with the cardassians. 😋
Happy Star Trek Day!
I'd still like to see a series set on the Stargazer. See the young Captain Picard, before he was the man we meet on the Enterprise. As Riker put it in Tapestry, "I wish I could have known THAT Jean-Luc Picard."
You gonna make him wear that wig? Flashbacks showed he had hair.
Ellie’s changed a bit
17:43...That's Rachel Garrett??? Why does she look like Data's daughter Lal?
Lal was a child or at least childlike. This Rachel Garrett looks very much like a very adult, very attractive woman.
Happy Star Trek day!
Happy Star Trek Day everyone! "Avoid Death & Cower!"
Here's the thing about the Lost Era and revisiting it now--I don't trust we can do it justice and not turn it into another dark and broody Picard/Discovery-esque offering. The Lost Era was probably the Federation's golden age in terms of the lack of large scale devastating conflicts for Federation member worlds, technology advancement, exploration, and raw competency of the leadership. In other words, it was a product of 1980s retrospect on the pinnacle of the American Empire of the Cold War period in the same way TNG was a product of the hopefulness of the end of the Cold War.
Star Trek has always been tied intimately to the ethos of the period of time it was produced. We're in a time of conflict and civil strife across the world right now, and I worry that instead of using the Lost Era to send a message of hope, it'll just become another period of grimdark conflict reflecting the general malaise of the 2020s or turn into a campy overshot meme-fest like Strange New Worlds likes to flirt with. Or worse, it will become a Disney Star Wars-esque parade of cameos and Easter Eggs with very little meaningful content or philosophy like Season 3 of Picard was. I'd rather this era stay lost than be corrupted. Don't get me wrong, I am enjoying modern Trek immensely, but sometimes getting what you ask for is worse than wanting it.
I would love a series set in the lost era, maybe set on the Bozeman before it comes to the 24th century.
Or the other two lost eras:
(1) birth of the federation (post ENT S5) to TOS/DISCO
(2) Post PICARD to DISCO-future
@@Kaede-Sasaki yep, got a few centuries for some new stories.
Oh Hai Ellie... you look like you could use a shave.
The lost era is interesting in tht there are two distinct eras involved. The Kitomer era where the politics were shifted to the "East" side and focused on Romulan/Klingon affairs. The later half sees the federation move to more western expansion and focuses on Cardassia
What does it all mean? That we are about 7-8 years overdue for a proper revised quadrant map.
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Either sulu had majorly violated the neutral zone and deep into Klingon space to a few AU of Qonos, or the wave from the destruction of praxis would have not only destroyed qonos, but every star system within the plane of emission (wherever the ripples touched), so probably around 10 million habitable planets. Probably just the "rule of cool" and not physics.
Your videos are wonderful. Ty. LLAP 🖖
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Took me 13 minutes to notice your T-Shirt!!! LMFAO!!!🤣🤣🤣
6:46 "hard and deep into Romulan territory" 🤭🤣😏
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Either sulu had majorly violated the neutral zone and deep into Klingon space to a few AU of Qonos, or the wave from the destruction of praxis would have not only destroyed qonos, but every star system within the plane of emission (wherever the ripples touched), so probably around 10 million habitable planets. Probably just the "rule of cool" and not physics.
I think I'm in the minority but i don't want to see a series or movies set in the lost era for a few reasons. One, I like the mystery and mystique it has. It's always been fun when a character mentioned something that happened in that era during a story on TNG or DS9. I'd rather it get some spot visits like on Voyager's episode Flashback.
I'd prefer the lost era be used to add context to "current" post nemesis timeline set after season 3 Picard. (Yes I know disco and Starfleet academy are further out in the timeline but they're so far in the future they barely feel part of the rest of history, to me anyway.
And finally, although the books aren't even canon to begin with, it'd be a shame to see those stories officially overwritten by whatever canon a new tv show or movie set in the lost era would present.
But again, I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority here judging from the comments. Great video either way. There were quite a few tidbits from the lost era novels here I wasn't aware of. Happy Star Trek Day everyone 🖖🏻
I'd like a series of the Enterprise C. I also have many ideas for a Klingon series that mixes with DS9 (new era/ current time) and a new Enterprise F crew. I'd love to pitch it to Paramount.
I was really hoping that Star Trek: Picard would be Patrick Stewart sipping wine in France, while recounting stories (which make up the bulk of the show) about his time on the Stargazer, and the love triangle between him, Beverly, and Jack, all running around in those fantastic Monster Maroon uniforms...
Ah, well. I still hope we get to the Lost Era on screen at some point. I'm still holding out hope for the title card: "Wil Wheaton as Jack Crusher"
Paramount will only produce so much content. I think in the early 2000's they saturated the market with too much Trek and the quality suffered. Until this video I was unaware of The Lost Era novels (is the writing decent?). Also, fans have created their own video content.
Hopefully, you find the inspiration to write your wishlist.
ENT was pretty good. The newer stuff with streaming is much more staturated IMHO. Either way, lower decks was nice series
You are totally awesome. Be well my friend. LLAP 🖖
There should have been Capt. Morgan Bateson & The boseman mini series or movie.
They only left starbase 3 weeks ago..
That no cloaking device treaty had to be the stupidest treaty ever signed.
Yup it sure was very stupid
Ellie and Sean seem to look a bit different these past 2 days!
Either way, I still would
Someone was apparently asleep in the editing room. 🤪
Just had a thought: Maybe it's a Turnabout Intruder situation.
Ellie Littlechild has a beard?
Sean has a purple jumper in the last Who Culture video.
THANK YOU! for this, Novels don't get the love they deserve
Which would you recommend?
@@michaelbayer5094 Lost area novels are all pretty good, I would read The Captain's Daughter by Peter David (pre Lost era) then The Lost Era
2319: One Constant Star
OMG! That’s a lot of information.
intresting thing the federation cardassian wars were still technically going on during the first seasons of the tng.
O'Brien confuses me he was fighting on the front lines and somehow then ends up miles away from the fighting. unless at some point he was badly injured it seems odd he wouldn't be posted back to his original ship.
Harriman also was responsible for designing the Ambassador-class and its sequel Narendra-class.
"speed of light club"
Much special
Very accomplish
Wasn't it everyday life way before NX-01 for many civilians?
Love the shirt.
Mere Anarchy is one everyone should checkout. Fans of tos and TNG voth
I for one am less concerned with backfilling stories than moving ahead. Whether it's Legacy or something else, I want Trek to move post-Picard. Discovery's time jump was a step in the right direction.
Happy First Contact Day! 🙌🏼💪🏼🖖🏼🫶
That was April 5, some 39 years from now.
The fact the Picard writers wanted to do a Short Trek with a story involving Uhura, Picard and the Borg once again shows the current custodians have a fundamental misunderstanding of Star Trek...
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Either sulu had majorly violated the neutral zone and deep into Klingon space to a few AU of Qonos, or the wave from the destruction of praxis would have not only destroyed qonos, but every star system within the plane of emission (wherever the ripples touched), so probably around 10 million habitable planets. Probably just the "rule of cool" and not physics.
Here's a rewritten version of the scene from *Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country*, with a focus on realistic physics:
---
**INT. USS EXCELSIOR - BRIDGE**
*Captain HIKARU SULU sits in the captain’s chair, sipping tea. The crew goes about their duties, the atmosphere calm. Suddenly, the communications officer turns, a concerned expression on their face.*
**COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER**
Captain, we’re picking up unusual readings from the Klingon system.
**SULU**
(Source: Calmly)
Put it on the main viewer.
*The main screen flickers, displaying a distant view of the Klingon system. A small, bright flash appears, barely noticeable, followed by a subtle ripple in space.*
**SCIENCE OFFICER**
Captain, it appears that one of the Klingon moons has exploded. The wave from the explosion is traveling outward, but at this distance, it’s just a faint gravitational ripple.
**SULU**
How far away is the wave?
**SCIENCE OFFICER**
Approximately 4.7 light-years, sir. The wave is moving at a fraction of the speed of light. It will pass through our position in about 4 years, but by then, it will have dispersed and will be completely harmless.
**SULU**
Any threat to Qo'noS or surrounding systems?
**SCIENCE OFFICER**
No, Captain. The shockwave is too weak to cause significant damage by the time it reaches any other celestial bodies. The explosion might disrupt some local communication and sensor networks, but Qo'noS itself is safe.
**SULU**
(leans back)
Thank you. Open a channel to Starfleet Command. Let them know the Klingons might need assistance dealing with the aftermath.
**COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER**
Aye, sir.
*The crew returns to their duties, the crisis averted before it could even begin. The screen shows the distant Klingon system, with no visible effects from the explosion, just the calm expanse of space.*
---
**INT. STARFLEET COMMAND - EARTH**
*An ADMIRAL listens to the report from Sulu’s ship. He nods thoughtfully, contemplating the potential diplomatic fallout.*
**ADMIRAL**
Understood, Excelsior. Maintain your current position and monitor the situation. We’ll dispatch a diplomatic team to offer assistance to the Klingons.
**SULU (V.O.)**
Aye, sir. Excelsior out.
*The screen fades as the admiral prepares to brief his colleagues, aware that the delicate balance of power between the Federation and the Klingon Empire has just shifted, even if the explosion itself was less catastrophic than initially feared.*
---
**EXT. KLINGON SYSTEM - SPACE**
*A long shot of the Klingon system. Qo'noS and its remaining moons are intact. A faint, dissipating ripple from the explosion of Praxis can be seen as it spreads harmlessly through the vastness of space.*
**NARRATOR (V.O.)**
In the cold vacuum of space, even the most violent of explosions must bow to the laws of physics. The energy of Praxis's destruction, though immense, disperses over light-years, leaving the Klingon homeworld-and the galaxy-unscathed, save for the ripples of political consequence that follow.
*FADE OUT.*
---
This version adheres more closely to real physics, where energy dissipates over vast distances in space, making dramatic shockwaves across multiple light-years improbable. The emphasis shifts to the political and strategic implications rather than an immediate, large-scale physical threat.
Here's a rewritten version of the scene from *Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country*, with a focus on realistic physics:
---
**INT. USS EXCELSIOR - BRIDGE**
*Captain HIKARU SULU sits in the captain’s chair, sipping tea. The crew goes about their duties, the atmosphere calm. Suddenly, the communications officer turns, a concerned expression on their face.*
**COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER**
Captain, we’re picking up unusual readings from the Klingon system.
**SULU**
(Source: Calmly)
Put it on the main viewer.
*The main screen flickers, displaying a distant view of the Klingon system. A small, bright flash appears, barely noticeable, followed by a subtle ripple in space.*
**SCIENCE OFFICER**
Captain, it appears that one of the Klingon moons has exploded. The wave from the explosion is traveling outward, but at this distance, it’s just a faint gravitational ripple.
**SULU**
How far away is the wave?
**SCIENCE OFFICER**
Approximately 4.7 light-years, sir. The wave is moving at a fraction of the speed of light. It will pass through our position in about 4 years, but by then, it will have dispersed and will be completely harmless.
**SULU**
Any threat to Qo'noS or surrounding systems?
**SCIENCE OFFICER**
No, Captain. The shockwave is too weak to cause significant damage by the time it reaches any other celestial bodies. The explosion might disrupt some local communication and sensor networks, but Qo'noS itself is safe.
**SULU**
(leans back)
Thank you. Open a channel to Starfleet Command. Let them know the Klingons might need assistance dealing with the aftermath.
**COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER**
Aye, sir.
*The crew returns to their duties, the crisis averted before it could even begin. The screen shows the distant Klingon system, with no visible effects from the explosion, just the calm expanse of space.*
---
**INT. STARFLEET COMMAND - EARTH**
*An ADMIRAL listens to the report from Sulu’s ship. He nods thoughtfully, contemplating the potential diplomatic fallout.*
**ADMIRAL**
Understood, Excelsior. Maintain your current position and monitor the situation. We’ll dispatch a diplomatic team to offer assistance to the Klingons.
**SULU (V.O.)**
Aye, sir. Excelsior out.
*The screen fades as the admiral prepares to brief his colleagues, aware that the delicate balance of power between the Federation and the Klingon Empire has just shifted, even if the explosion itself was less catastrophic than initially feared.*
---
**EXT. KLINGON SYSTEM - SPACE**
*A long shot of the Klingon system. Qo'noS and its remaining moons are intact. A faint, dissipating ripple from the explosion of Praxis can be seen as it spreads harmlessly through the vastness of space.*
**NARRATOR (V.O.)**
In the cold vacuum of space, even the most violent of explosions must bow to the laws of physics. The energy of Praxis's destruction, though immense, disperses over light-years, leaving the Klingon homeworld-and the galaxy-unscathed, save for the ripples of political consequence that follow.
*FADE OUT.*
---
This version adheres more closely to real physics, where energy dissipates over vast distances in space, making dramatic shockwaves across multiple light-years improbable. The emphasis shifts to the political and strategic implications rather than an immediate, large-scale physical threat.
Here's a rewritten version of the scene from *Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country*, with a focus on realistic physics:
---
**INT. USS EXCELSIOR - BRIDGE**
*Captain HIKARU SULU sits in the captain’s chair, sipping tea. The crew goes about their duties, the atmosphere calm. Suddenly, the communications officer turns, a concerned expression on their face.*
**COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER**
Captain, we’re picking up unusual readings from the Klingon system.
**SULU**
(Source: Calmly)
Put it on the main viewer.
*The main screen flickers, displaying a distant view of the Klingon system. A small, bright flash appears, barely noticeable, followed by a subtle ripple in space.*
**SCIENCE OFFICER**
Captain, it appears that one of the Klingon moons has exploded. The wave from the explosion is traveling outward, but at this distance, it’s just a faint gravitational ripple.
**SULU**
How far away is the wave?
**SCIENCE OFFICER**
Approximately 4.7 light-years, sir. The wave is moving at a fraction of the speed of light. It will pass through our position in about 4 years, but by then, it will have dispersed and will be completely harmless.
**SULU**
Any threat to Qo'noS or surrounding systems?
**SCIENCE OFFICER**
No, Captain. The shockwave is too weak to cause significant damage by the time it reaches any other celestial bodies. The explosion might disrupt some local communication and sensor networks, but Qo'noS itself is safe.
**SULU**
(leans back)
Thank you. Open a channel to Starfleet Command. Let them know the Klingons might need assistance dealing with the aftermath.
**COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER**
Aye, sir.
*The crew returns to their duties, the crisis averted before it could even begin. The screen shows the distant Klingon system, with no visible effects from the explosion, just the calm expanse of space.*
---
**INT. STARFLEET COMMAND - EARTH**
*An ADMIRAL listens to the report from Sulu’s ship. He nods thoughtfully, contemplating the potential diplomatic fallout.*
**ADMIRAL**
Understood, Excelsior. Maintain your current position and monitor the situation. We’ll dispatch a diplomatic team to offer assistance to the Klingons.
**SULU (V.O.)**
Aye, sir. Excelsior out.
*The screen fades as the admiral prepares to brief his colleagues, aware that the delicate balance of power between the Federation and the Klingon Empire has just shifted, even if the explosion itself was less catastrophic than initially feared.*
---
**EXT. KLINGON SYSTEM - SPACE**
*A long shot of the Klingon system. Qo'noS and its remaining moons are intact. A faint, dissipating ripple from the explosion of Praxis can be seen as it spreads harmlessly through the vastness of space.*
**NARRATOR (V.O.)**
In the cold vacuum of space, even the most violent of explosions must bow to the laws of physics. The energy of Praxis's destruction, though immense, disperses over light-years, leaving the Klingon homeworld-and the galaxy-unscathed, save for the ripples of political consequence that follow.
*FADE OUT.*
---
This version adheres more closely to real physics, where energy dissipates over vast distances in space, making dramatic shockwaves across multiple light-years improbable. The emphasis shifts to the political and strategic implications rather than an immediate, large-scale physical threat.
We need a Picard star gazer series.
"Miracle worker" = multiply repair times by a factor of four.
Excellent vid. It addresses many unanswered questions I've had concerning back stories, character history & development 😁👍🏻
As I understand it, the Enterprise's 5 year mission was extended by 2 years by the inclusion of STAS 《Star Trek Animated Series 》🤷🏻♂️❓️
One BIG question is the relationship between Scotty & Uhura. In a scene apparently deleted from the STTNG episode 'Relics' 《S6, E4》 Scotty lamented that he wasn't going to make his rendezvous with Uhura to begin their mutual planned retirement together. Also, from the way they interacted in 'ST V: The Final Frontier' 💞
💩 Too bad your captioning is shitty. It detracts from the quality of your vid. because it cannot spell things correctly 😠👎
--Live Long & Prosper 🖖🏻👽🛸✨️
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Interested in the 'lost era'? Yep! But the lost era with Section 31? Not in the slightest. Maybe the 'long Trek' will surprise me -- I'm open to that -- but right now I am at rock bottom expectations. I was already skeptical for a while, but that godawful trailer did a lot more damage than my cynical outlook could have ever done. Section 31 as a concept, I could go the rest of my life never hearing about it again. It's played out. It's boring. It works best as a once or twice a series surprise. Yet in modern Trek it feels like it's taken on a much larger, disappointing role.
Can attest to this, would love a show showing the Enterprise C even with its fate Semi known. Would’ve been nice to return to an almost TNG esk show. But now we’re gonna get non-stop action rather than a nicely wrote story that only uses fighting with the plot rather than maintaining the viewers attention
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What if Uhura was both in Intelligence and the Academy at the same time? Helps to have a cover job during your early years of spy work, no?
Leave it to Alan Ruck to be apathetic about never taking full advantage of a fast ride!!!
His mantra should be, “Should have, could have…but didn’t “
Give me a series set during the Eugenics Wars!
We need to see the final voyage of the “B”
Titled: Life is a “B” eeeatch!!
or
“B”eeeaatches “B” Crazy!
I wish the novels were considered canon. It would make reading them more worthwhile
I think it would be interesting to follow the enterprise c, especially since we all know how it ends