You definitely missed a big one: Heart of Stone (DS9). The A-plot is boring, dragged-out, and ultimately pointless. I hate the episode. Despite, its B-plot contains my favourite scene of all of DS9: the impassioned speech that Nog gives to Sisko in order to get a recommendation for Starfleet Academy. It kickstarted the entire Nog development arc which is my favourite character development in all of Star Trek.
I didn't think that episode was all that bad, certainly not my favorite, but not bad, although I will say I agree with you that that scene was wonderful. Props to the late Aaron Eisenberg for knocking that one out of the park. I love how he grows from a troubled teenager from an extremely greedy and largely dishonest race, pretty much the entire race which is sad because you shouldn't be able to judge a whole race by that but it seems like the ones that didn't fit that bill like him were exceptions, but anyway from the trouble team to the honorable, respectful and respectable, trustworthy young cadet that he became.
One episode I always thought was strange and just didn't work was TNG's Season 7 "Phantasms." However, I always loved the scene when Data asks Worf to take care of spot. As Data goes on about all the things that spot needs and likes, Worf looks at him and deadpans "I will feed him."
to be fair to Nemesis the battle between the Enterprise and the Scimitar had some good moments- really gave the sense of two battleships trading salvoes compared with the Enterprise-D finding itself in significant jeopardy after enduring much less punishment
It's such a shame that Jennifer Lien went down the road she did. I thought she was one of the more talented members of the first three seasons; it's just that she barely got a chance to use those skills. Kes when she was on screen was warm, compassionate, beautiful, and powerful. Oh yes and she was the one that started The Doctor down his path of self-improvement, and fought for his rights when she and Janeway were discussing his situation early on. She was the Roddenberry Ideal Human.
@charlesstanton4135 I hope things have improved for her....but there was a time in fairly recent history where apparent mental health issues had led her down a very dark path and caused her to be arrested for doing something inappropriate around a minor.
I really would have loved to see Kes interact with Seven. Kes has all the warmth in the world, and a steel core underneath, Seven has all the cold analytical side, knowledge, and cynicism. And they both have to effectively grow up, but approach it in completely different ways. They could have made for a fascinating dynamic.
I didn't think it was bad either. I always thought that after Kes Ascended her mind became chaotic and it warped and twisted her reality and that's why she wanted revenge.
@@emilygorter2589 I think she needed a stronger motivation. There just was not enough to convince me that Kes would go to that direction. A flashback or something from her perspective would have helped a LOT. If you haven't, watch SFDebris' review of the episode. After the main part of the review he goes into an idea that makes a lot more sense compared to what we got in the actual episode.
I doubt it. Emissary or not, Sisko is still just a normal Human. He simply had the element of surprise, catching Q off-guard by doing something he never expected a Starfleet officer to do. There's never been anything to suggest a Q's mortal guise is any more durable than the real thing. They presumably _can_ make their bodies more durable, but why would you when you don't expect they'll actually hit you?
And even if Sisko was something more than human, I don't think the Prophets are more powerful than the Q anyway, at least not outside their home realm.
@@andrewgrabauskas In Beta cannon they are on the same level as the Q along with the El-Aurians. They are the ones that brokered the peace treaty between the other two. Think of the Q as guardians of Space, the El-Aurian as guardians of Time, the Prophets as outside of both. Sisko is part Prophet so its possible he actually hurt Q and thats why he reacted the way he did. Because the Prophets exists outside of Space and Time, Q would likely of been unaware of that part of Sisko.
my headcanon is that Q didn't expect to feel pain from the punch, although he knew he was goading Sisko into doing it. Unacustomed to the consequences of his actions Q never crossed paths with the Emissary of the Prophets again.
Just want to say Thank You TrekCulture for giving Star Trek V the credit it deserves for the few things it did right. I've always had a soft spot for that one and it's nice to share that opinion with someone. : )
I love Sub Rosa. Sometimes you want to go to a 5-star restaurant and have a fancy steak that's flaked on gold and will add 10 years to your life. Sometimes you want fatty greasy food from that restaurant that may or may not use real meat and might give you a heart attack
I lost my dad when I was 49 and it completely devastated me. Even wound up being on medical leave from work for a couple of months cause I was in a deep depression. Since then, I've always had a hard time watching that scene with McCoy and his dad. My dad's passing was unexpected, unlike McCoy's dad, sudden heart failure and I had seen him just a few days prior, so yeah, it was a huge blow.
I have said many times that Star Trek V is not that bad. There was a lot working against it. It was the first Star Trek movie I saw in the theater so it holds a special place in my heart.
The moments in the “Irish” episode on ST:NG where that lady comes at Worf so fiercely that he asks her if she’s ever considered a career in security; and the one where Worf is sharing a drink with the lads & the one guy says “Now that’s what I call a wee drop of the creature” will both stick with me forever. Worf is a surprisingly good diplomat 😂
“Worf is a surprisingly good diplomat” - YES! The episode is cringey, but Worf’s character development in it is great. Dorn does a great job there, selling it, too.
There's one quote from "Justice", the S1 TNG episode where Wesley is due to be executed for stepping on the flowers that I think of often: Data: "Would you choose one life, over one-thousand, sir?" Picard: "I refuse to let arithmetic decide questions like that." I work with behaviorally challenging dogs at the animal shelter. It takes a lot of effort to rehabilitate them, and we aren't always successful. I sometimes wonder if this effort is justified, knowing how many dogs are out there, awaiting rescue that could be adopted more easily. But every success is a victory, showing the world that these dogs deserve our love and compassion. I think there are many interpretations of this quote we can apply to the world today. Also: "There can be no justice, as long as laws are absolute."
Data: "Sir, arithmetic is my life, it's the basis of my being, my entire code base is binary arith........" Picard: "Data, shut up!: Data: "Shutting up sir...!".
What a daring act of resistance to utilitarianism this episode was. Star Trek was bold to assert the idea of moral truth based on reason, especially in a postmodern age in which the idea of 'higher truths' is often rejected because of its association with the cosmology of Christianity. Star Trek recognized the choice between relativism and tradition as a false and absurd one. Someone on the writers team must have read Whitehead, Cicero, Voltaire, Hypatia...
I definitely will always love Sisko lamping Q one, all those years of Q being a pest both before with Picard and after with Janeway, we all know they wanted to do that, but only the Sisko did... :P
it was so sad that Gate McFadden/Beverly Crusher did not get more acting scenes....she is a really good actress and it's shame the writters did not know how to use her more....but when she was finally given her special episode (Subrosa) she was going to give it 100%, but instead she gave 200%
This about-face Picard moment from TNG “Liaisons” is priceless: ANNA: Tell me about your love or I'll jump! PICARD: Go ahead. Why don't you do it? It's a longgg way down. Must be… two hundred metres?You'd die instantly, if that's what you want. 😂 (They probably wouldn’t even get away with writing that nowadays.)
The one thing that fixed "These are the Voyages" for me was the novel "The Good That Men Do". I won't go into any spoilers as I just recommend people read it, but it makes Trip's sacrifice worth it and it's a fantastic fix-it for the episode as a whole as it actually explains why the holodeck program Riker and Troi experienced was the way it was. In my mind, the book is canon ending to Enterprise.
As someone who came to Trek later (only in the last few years), I feel like we're better for These Are the Voyages existing because it's SUCH a bad idea for a finale. Genuinely, one of the greatest single joys getting into Trek has given me is being able to pitch more shows ending with Riker leaving the holodeck. Lower Decks, you've got the chance, you know you want to.
Star Trek V gets too much hate and this demonstrates why that's the case pretty well. Plenty wrong with the movie, but it's still an amazing character study of the original crew and that scene absolutely nails it when it comes to the Kirk/Spock/McCoy trinity.
I thought the setup was good, if perhaps a little slow. A ship barely working, Klingons and maybe Romulans in the offing. A charismatic, and even caring, adversary leader with unclear motives. It starts to fall apart for me when Sybok very easily persuades the crew to side with him. The idea of facing an entity posing as God is interesting, but I think it suffered from all the rewrites.
Thank you for posting this today. I needed a bright spot and the Trek community has always been a far more welcoming and supportive community than the one I physically live in. I love your videos and today it was like a nice warm tea on a very cold day
Yes! The Survivors is one of my favorites. That old man was incredible. And to answer his question, Yes. The love of a woman is worth it... Just ask Anakin. ;)
The one thing about the "i need my pain" schene, is that it shows both sides of the argument and neither are inherently wrong. Mccoy's guilt is not his fault, no matter how you cut it no matter how you slice it he can't hold onto a pain that he could do nothing about. He couldn't of seen the cure coming he couldn't of known. He did the only thing that could of been seen as right in the moment, and that sense of comfort was ripped from him so cruely by fate. But Kirk is not wrong. Our Pain, our failures our Trauma, they make us who we are, to simply give it up to let go of it outright would risk no longer being yourself. Kirk knows that everything he's done everything he's accomplished the lives he's saved the futures he's changed would not of been possible if he wasn't the person made by what he suffered. he would not be James Tiberious kirk if he gave up his pain so readily.
with regard to star trek 5 and kirks pain, i'd imagine the pain he needs/wants to keep were david, sure maybe, but more likely his big pain moment happened on tarsis 4 during the famine and massacre by governer kodos
I need my pain is an amazing scene that has stayed with me all these years. Great pick. It also sucks that they found a cure a short time later compounding Bones' guilt.
Spot also very clearly, even within the breed change swaps sexes, and ear colours multiple times, even within episode he is very clearly male within the opening and female by the end The other issue is Starfleet, the UFP etc is very clear on servitude of “lesser species”, we know of feline/ feloid species even within the UFP and yet, even still…. Data has a pet cat, on board their flagship.. tiny bit hypocritical 😊
I love Sub Rosa. I know it's a terrible episode, but I really enjoy it because it's so unlike anything else TNG has ever done. Plus, I love the Scottish planet. That's definitely a place I would love to live.
I happen to be one of the few defenders of Nemesis. It has been and shall continue to be my favourite star trek movie. It was the first new star trek I had ever seen and can recall watching it for the first time to this day in my grandfather's old tv room with his giant CRT tv. I am well aware it is a very flawed movie but it has remained a "comfort food," movie to me. The space battle actually is my phone background to this day. My grandfather passed shortly after one of my kids were born and I immediately fell back on that happy memory of a 5 year old watching new star trek for the first time, and now that she's a few years old she loves star trek as well, and funny enough nemesis was the first trek anything she sat with me and watched from beginning to end.
I'll defend Nemesis. I enjoyed it. Yes the plots a but thin and not a great finale for TNG. But as a standalone 2hrs of trek fun, yeah, it works. If it wasn't as bad as it was, we might never have gotten ST:PIC.
I'll give my opinion of another honorable mention. Nemesis has another great piece; the bridge crew having the meeting just before final confrontation with the Scimitar up through Picard's log entry just after, is to me, very Dominion war era StarFleet and I do dig it. Picard would love to go back to being an explorer once again but duty has called upon him to place his ship and crew in harm's way one more time.
Number 4 is a lot different, as you usually remind us these days. After all, we know that changes were brewing behind the scenes for the nixed Season 5. Changes to the ship alone(which TNG Season 8... I mean Picard Season 3 so graciously made canon) showed that this holodeck based episode was filled with historical errors, leaving the door open for us all to safely proclaim "Trip's NOT Dead!" And how appropriate is it that it was by use of the TNG cast that the Enterprise finale was corrected in the end? Just saying... It's about time.
I don't like Cardassians because of that TNG scene with Picard...too triggering... Also, I love the idea that SPOT is actually the cat/alien from both Men in Black and Ms. Marvel!
Despite no suggestion he was ever included in, leaning towards, nor approached by sec31, despite reeds hatred towards what they become, he didnt try and talk him out, despite trips perfect ethical character etc…sure he “joined section 31”
I have read a couple of books where that is exactly what happened, and they're pretty good. I'd love to see one of them explored in a movie or something.
From Star Trek 5 I'd also nominate the scene near the end where McCoy says "I thought you said men like us don't have families", and Kirk replies "I was wrong". On the one hand Sam Kirk remains forgotten, on the other it pays homage to the depth of friendship between Kirk, Spock and McCoy that he considers them his family.
I guess if we didn't have DS9 and Voyager, we would only be talking about how great TNG is. Thanks for keeping the franchise afloat so we can continue to talk about how great TNG is
I'll never forget the first time I saw Final Frontier. When it got to the "I need my pain" scene, it genuinely felt like I'd accidentally switched to a much better movie.
I wouldn't say I love it, but I did enjoy it and I don't stand behind all the haters. Was it the best of the TNG movies? Probably not, but was it as bad as everybody makes it out to be, definitely not.
You are NOT. I have jumped down a MANY folks throat for bad mouthing Nemesis. Tom Hardy gave the best villain performance likely since Khan, he didn't just rely on makeup and a fake accent, he had the Picard mannerisms down PAT. Showed what the noble Picard we all know might have been with a harder life. He was the PERFECT foil for Picard. The battle sequence at the time (and possibly still) was the best in TNG history visually. The only REAL issue with Nemesis is the alternate ending belonged directly after Picard left b4.
Picard's closing speech in "Justice" from TNG season 1. That episode is *completely impossible* to take seriously, what with the Planet of Gorgeous Naked People, but that speech about....well, justice....is very apt.
I genuinely do not care for Star Trek V, but .... that scene you describe is one of the films two redeeming bits. While I disagree with Kirk's contention that we need our pain ... the scene come off powerfully well for all three of the trinity. Maybe even for Sybok himself
With the enterprise finale, my biggest gripe with the riker and troi appearance was that it was set around the Pegasus story, with them looking older I’d had preferred the arc was around him taking command of the titan
I've always hated "STV" but the focus on the death of McCoy's father (which I'd honestly not thought about in years) makes me feels a touch more empathy and I can today truly understand its placing on this list. I still think it sucks, I still don't wanna watch it, but.....I get it.
So kes was millions of light years away from them when she left the show, how did she manage to find them and what method of travel did she use to cross so much space so quickly?
@@amandamatheny3675 even so that as a stretch in TV logic to think she could find them in the vastness of space and somehow be able to catch up to them
My continued head cannon on the Q/Sisko fight - While I understand this was almost certainly not the intention of the writer of this episode, I believe that Sisko was able to hurt Q due to his Prophet Powers. Which is why Q moves on from the station, he understands that the station is important, but it isn't worth the risk of getting the Prophets upset with him (Q). He has enough enemies as it is.
No...hear me out.... Star Trek and Marvel crossover 🥰 We have Patrick Stewart and Tom Hardy in Nemesis playing the same character more of less. In Marvel we have Stewart as Professor X, and Hardy as Venom/Eddie. It can be done, there is already a technical crossover in Dr Who, although just a mention.
The final line from the DS9 episode “Valiant.” Entirely subjective but while Valiant was a great episode for Nog’s development, for me episode had a few to many plot contrivances like the Valiant having no senior officers or that a Defiant class ship would be used for a training mission when a bloody was being fought for me to enjoy it. Plus the general pluck of Red Squad and the fact they were allowing themselves to be lead by a blowhard who clearly didn’t know what he was doing didn’t really endear them to me, so when they got trash canned it was a bit hard for me to feel sorry for them. But when Collins, the last survivor of Red Squad tries to come to their acting captain’s actions despite being reckless and getting them all space dusted, Nog’s final line on the man was to me one of the most poignant summary of the man and others like him. “He may have been a hero. He may have even been a great man. But in the end, he was a bad captain.” When I rewatch DS9, I tend to skip “Valiant.” But for that line and the progress to Nog’s story it had, I’m glad it exists
I unambiguously love Sub Rosa. It’s so dumb, so silly, so weirdly sexy in an uncomfortable way but damn if it’s not one of the most fun TNG episodes to sit through. It’s terrible but I’m glad it exists.
Is it any coincidence that Star Trek and the Irish go hand in hand? I think not. And Sub Rosa is the trashy pulp novella episode that all secretly love to watch.
The most perfect scene, in any Star Trek franchise show, is the beginning scene of TNG "The Emissary." Worf, the greatest poker player ever, wins the hand. Nothing else comes close in any franchise episode nor movie.
Kirk's pain...is likely the fandom's pain. It had only been half a decade since both the demise of his son Dr. David Marcus...and the destruction of the original Enterprise in Star Trek III: The Search for Spock. Guarantee you he was still smartin' from that, especially considering that one piece of dialogue from his personal log just two years later in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country..."I have never trusted Klingons...and I never will. I can never forgive them for the death of my boy."
I've always thought that Data calling a ginger tabby "Spot" told us so much about him! I've been tempted to call one of my cats, most of which have been pure black, Spot, but knowing no-one but another Trekker would get the joke, I've never done it. One day, maybe!
The thing about the Nemesis scene is that they're having dinner on the floor of the most important public institution on the planet, which was made possible by the fact that all of its members had been murdered there.
Spot: First transgender character in Star Trek. In all seriousness, I really liked the environmental episode. I feel it's aged well, and is actually MORE relevant to today's world than it was to the world of the early 90s, since our world is on a crash course with total destruction if we don't change things enormously. Unfortunately, the warp speed restrictions are pretty much ignored from this point forward. We get a little handwave that the new variable nacelles on Voyager are a way to counteract the effects of high warp velocity. But the fact is, "Lay in a course, Ensign, maximum warp... Engage!" is a hell of a lot more fun than. "Lay in a course, Ensign, Warp 5... Engage!" Of course, the Enterprise is often on emergency missions that lets them exceed the Warp 5 speed limit. Voyager has the magic nacelles, but even if she didn't, they're trying to get home. It'd never happen at Warp 5. Anyway, I like the episode... it's the "magic reset button" Star Trek TNG had to use that kinda robbed it of any long-term potency. Also, dodgy accents. I can do 1985 accents. I can't do an Irish (or for that matter Scottish) accent. I can do South African, Australian, all the different Southern Accents, almost all or perhaps all of the UK accents (convincingly enough that the "accent expert" who can tell not only what city you were born in, but what street you grew up on placed me in a place I had never heard of, let alone visisted) and a thousand foreign accents.... I can do everything, except somehow, Irish and Scottish both elude me. (I've gotten better with Irish, having had significant chance to practice it, but I'm not ready to debut the improved accent yet.) For those going for an english accent, remember that it's always "dohrtor", not "dahhter." (SPOILERS IF YOU ARE READING THE STORMLIGHT ARCHIVE, WHICH YOU ALL SHOULD BE, SO NONE OF YOU SHOULD READ THIS UNTIL YOU'VE READ "OATHBRINGER") And for your #1 scene, yes... it's a good scene. But it's done one hundred thousand million billion times better in the novel "Oathbringer" by Dalinar against Odium, just before he manifests the power of a God and sends Odium running like a frigthened school girl.
The thing about McCoy's guilt over what happened with his father omits one crucial detail. Yes, the cure may have been found shortly after Leonard turns off the life support, but that doesn't mean the cure would have completely restored his father. Chances are the condition, which I don't believe was ever named, caused catastrophic damage to his father's body during its course, hence the unbearable levels of pain. Curing the condition would have stopped the ongoing degradation, but unless they could replace every single affected system, his father's life was still going to one of ongoing suffering. Sorry to be such a downer.
Force of nature is still the most accurate episode in all of Star Trek. Something that's a part of our way of life is doing horrible damage to everything around it... We've confirmed it is absolutely happening and we really need to do something about it. Never bought up again, no meaningful change, couldn't be more real if it tried.
You definitely missed a big one: Heart of Stone (DS9). The A-plot is boring, dragged-out, and ultimately pointless. I hate the episode. Despite, its B-plot contains my favourite scene of all of DS9: the impassioned speech that Nog gives to Sisko in order to get a recommendation for Starfleet Academy. It kickstarted the entire Nog development arc which is my favourite character development in all of Star Trek.
YES
I didn't think that episode was all that bad, certainly not my favorite, but not bad, although I will say I agree with you that that scene was wonderful. Props to the late Aaron Eisenberg for knocking that one out of the park. I love how he grows from a troubled teenager from an extremely greedy and largely dishonest race, pretty much the entire race which is sad because you shouldn't be able to judge a whole race by that but it seems like the ones that didn't fit that bill like him were exceptions, but anyway from the trouble team to the honorable, respectful and respectable, trustworthy young cadet that he became.
It's an episode I make a point of skipping every time I do a DS9 watch binge!
I disagree. Heart Of Stone was a good episode.
I have to say how amazing Rene was. I am always deeply impressed with how much emotion he was able to portray with that mask
One episode I always thought was strange and just didn't work was TNG's Season 7 "Phantasms." However, I always loved the scene when Data asks Worf to take care of spot. As Data goes on about all the things that spot needs and likes, Worf looks at him and deadpans "I will feed him."
The Worf & Spot dynamic had a charming (but ultimately deleted) coda at the end of Nemesis, when Spot chooses to be adopted by Worf. 😽
The Yosemite camping trip followed by Jim appearing on the bridge in his "Go Climb a Rock" t-shirt deserves honorable mention
to be fair to Nemesis the battle between the Enterprise and the Scimitar had some good moments- really gave the sense of two battleships trading salvoes compared with the Enterprise-D finding itself in significant jeopardy after enduring much less punishment
The "torpedoes have been depleted" during the battle was such a heavy line, too, since that's never happened in all of Trek.
It's such a shame that Jennifer Lien went down the road she did. I thought she was one of the more talented members of the first three seasons; it's just that she barely got a chance to use those skills. Kes when she was on screen was warm, compassionate, beautiful, and powerful. Oh yes and she was the one that started The Doctor down his path of self-improvement, and fought for his rights when she and Janeway were discussing his situation early on. She was the Roddenberry Ideal Human.
She was just a kid (in real life!). I don't know where she is now, but I hope she's doing well.
@charlesstanton4135 I hope things have improved for her....but there was a time in fairly recent history where apparent mental health issues had led her down a very dark path and caused her to be arrested for doing something inappropriate around a minor.
I really would have loved to see Kes interact with Seven. Kes has all the warmth in the world, and a steel core underneath, Seven has all the cold analytical side, knowledge, and cynicism. And they both have to effectively grow up, but approach it in completely different ways. They could have made for a fascinating dynamic.
I didn't think it was bad either. I always thought that after Kes Ascended her mind became chaotic and it warped and twisted her reality and that's why she wanted revenge.
@@emilygorter2589 I think she needed a stronger motivation. There just was not enough to convince me that Kes would go to that direction. A flashback or something from her perspective would have helped a LOT. If you haven't, watch SFDebris' review of the episode. After the main part of the review he goes into an idea that makes a lot more sense compared to what we got in the actual episode.
I wonder if Sisko’s status as Emissary was how he was actually able to lay Q out instead of either just a tap or mysteriously missing.
I doubt it. Emissary or not, Sisko is still just a normal Human. He simply had the element of surprise, catching Q off-guard by doing something he never expected a Starfleet officer to do.
There's never been anything to suggest a Q's mortal guise is any more durable than the real thing. They presumably _can_ make their bodies more durable, but why would you when you don't expect they'll actually hit you?
And even if Sisko was something more than human, I don't think the Prophets are more powerful than the Q anyway, at least not outside their home realm.
@@andrewgrabauskas In Beta cannon they are on the same level as the Q along with the El-Aurians. They are the ones that brokered the peace treaty between the other two. Think of the Q as guardians of Space, the El-Aurian as guardians of Time, the Prophets as outside of both. Sisko is part Prophet so its possible he actually hurt Q and thats why he reacted the way he did. Because the Prophets exists outside of Space and Time, Q would likely of been unaware of that part of Sisko.
@@jacara1981 I came here to say this exact thing. 🖖
my headcanon is that Q didn't expect to feel pain from the punch, although he knew he was goading Sisko into doing it. Unacustomed to the consequences of his actions Q never crossed paths with the Emissary of the Prophets again.
Just want to say Thank You TrekCulture for giving Star Trek V the credit it deserves for the few things it did right. I've always had a soft spot for that one and it's nice to share that opinion with someone. : )
I love Sub Rosa. Sometimes you want to go to a 5-star restaurant and have a fancy steak that's flaked on gold and will add 10 years to your life. Sometimes you want fatty greasy food from that restaurant that may or may not use real meat and might give you a heart attack
@@DoctorX17 Monumentally good analogy.
THIS.
I love it because they make an Irish ghost romance work in star trek. It's like Brigdegoon in space.
I lost my dad when I was 49 and it completely devastated me. Even wound up being on medical leave from work for a couple of months cause I was in a deep depression. Since then, I've always had a hard time watching that scene with McCoy and his dad. My dad's passing was unexpected, unlike McCoy's dad, sudden heart failure and I had seen him just a few days prior, so yeah, it was a huge blow.
I have said many times that Star Trek V is not that bad. There was a lot working against it. It was the first Star Trek movie I saw in the theater so it holds a special place in my heart.
I didn't realize Forces of Nature had a bad rap. I feel like it does pretty well.
Say what you will about Sisko punching Q, but Q decided never to come back to DS9.
The moments in the “Irish” episode on ST:NG where that lady comes at Worf so fiercely that he asks her if she’s ever considered a career in security; and the one where Worf is sharing a drink with the lads & the one guy says “Now that’s what I call a wee drop of the creature” will both stick with me forever. Worf is a surprisingly good diplomat 😂
I love that fuckin episode. For all the wrong reasons. 🤣
“Worf is a surprisingly good diplomat” - YES! The episode is cringey, but Worf’s character development in it is great. Dorn does a great job there, selling it, too.
There's one quote from "Justice", the S1 TNG episode where Wesley is due to be executed for stepping on the flowers that I think of often:
Data: "Would you choose one life, over one-thousand, sir?"
Picard: "I refuse to let arithmetic decide questions like that."
I work with behaviorally challenging dogs at the animal shelter. It takes a lot of effort to rehabilitate them, and we aren't always successful. I sometimes wonder if this effort is justified, knowing how many dogs are out there, awaiting rescue that could be adopted more easily. But every success is a victory, showing the world that these dogs deserve our love and compassion. I think there are many interpretations of this quote we can apply to the world today.
Also: "There can be no justice, as long as laws are absolute."
Data: "Sir, arithmetic is my life, it's the basis of my being, my entire code base is binary arith........"
Picard: "Data, shut up!:
Data: "Shutting up sir...!".
What a daring act of resistance to utilitarianism this episode was. Star Trek was bold to assert the idea of moral truth based on reason, especially in a postmodern age in which the idea of 'higher truths' is often rejected because of its association with the cosmology of Christianity. Star Trek recognized the choice between relativism and tradition as a false and absurd one. Someone on the writers team must have read Whitehead, Cicero, Voltaire, Hypatia...
I definitely will always love Sisko lamping Q one, all those years of Q being a pest both before with Picard and after with Janeway, we all know they wanted to do that, but only the Sisko did... :P
it was so sad that Gate McFadden/Beverly Crusher did not get more acting scenes....she is a really good actress and it's shame the writters did not know how to use her more....but when she was finally given her special episode (Subrosa) she was going to give it 100%, but instead she gave 200%
She's not that good of an actress and any time she is given a spotlight she OVER-acts.
This about-face Picard moment from TNG “Liaisons” is priceless:
ANNA: Tell me about your love or I'll jump!
PICARD: Go ahead. Why don't you do it? It's a longgg way down. Must be… two hundred metres?You'd die instantly, if that's what you want. 😂
(They probably wouldn’t even get away with writing that nowadays.)
The one thing that fixed "These are the Voyages" for me was the novel "The Good That Men Do". I won't go into any spoilers as I just recommend people read it, but it makes Trip's sacrifice worth it and it's a fantastic fix-it for the episode as a whole as it actually explains why the holodeck program Riker and Troi experienced was the way it was. In my mind, the book is canon ending to Enterprise.
The best scene from "These Are the Voyages..." was the multiple Enterprises and their captains giving the speech.
Great video, as always! And, the "Girl. 🤨" at 5:21 made me guffaw heartily. Thank you Sean! 🖖
This was fun. Now you need to do the opposite: Top 10 Bad Scenes in Fantastic Episodes.
As someone who came to Trek later (only in the last few years), I feel like we're better for These Are the Voyages existing because it's SUCH a bad idea for a finale. Genuinely, one of the greatest single joys getting into Trek has given me is being able to pitch more shows ending with Riker leaving the holodeck.
Lower Decks, you've got the chance, you know you want to.
Star Trek V gets too much hate and this demonstrates why that's the case pretty well. Plenty wrong with the movie, but it's still an amazing character study of the original crew and that scene absolutely nails it when it comes to the Kirk/Spock/McCoy trinity.
I thought the setup was good, if perhaps a little slow. A ship barely working, Klingons and maybe Romulans in the offing. A charismatic, and even caring, adversary leader with unclear motives.
It starts to fall apart for me when Sybok very easily persuades the crew to side with him.
The idea of facing an entity posing as God is interesting, but I think it suffered from all the rewrites.
Thank you for posting this today. I needed a bright spot and the Trek community has always been a far more welcoming and supportive community than the one I physically live in. I love your videos and today it was like a nice warm tea on a very cold day
"No, no, Captain. You don't understand the scope of my crime..."
A great moment, completely lost in a horrible episode.
Yes! The Survivors is one of my favorites. That old man was incredible. And to answer his question, Yes. The love of a woman is worth it... Just ask Anakin. ;)
I will not tolerate the Nemesis bad talk!! :D
Gates McFadden/Beverly Crusher running to and fro in a sheer, clingy nightgown in Sub Rosa. More Gates please!
The one thing about the "i need my pain" schene, is that it shows both sides of the argument and neither are inherently wrong. Mccoy's guilt is not his fault, no matter how you cut it no matter how you slice it he can't hold onto a pain that he could do nothing about. He couldn't of seen the cure coming he couldn't of known. He did the only thing that could of been seen as right in the moment, and that sense of comfort was ripped from him so cruely by fate.
But Kirk is not wrong. Our Pain, our failures our Trauma, they make us who we are, to simply give it up to let go of it outright would risk no longer being yourself. Kirk knows that everything he's done everything he's accomplished the lives he's saved the futures he's changed would not of been possible if he wasn't the person made by what he suffered. he would not be James Tiberious kirk if he gave up his pain so readily.
„Girl.“ at 5:21 😂 bring on the sass, Sean! Much love from Germany!
with regard to star trek 5 and kirks pain, i'd imagine the pain he needs/wants to keep were david, sure maybe, but more likely his big pain moment happened on tarsis 4 during the famine and massacre by governer kodos
Threshold: "We can't send Harry, he might see a timeline where he isn't perpetually an Ensign."😂
Do the lizard wiggle! 🦎🦎
So many things to be said about Sub Rosa... But the memes constantly coming from it are the greatest gift we could ever receive.
I need my pain is an amazing scene that has stayed with me all these years.
Great pick.
It also sucks that they found a cure a short time later compounding Bones' guilt.
"And when I directed Star Trek V I got a magnificent performance out of me, because I respected me so much!"
Nice !!!
13:04 "there's a scene at the climax..." I see what you did there 😏
Actually remember that Spot also changes Breed going from the breed of somali to a "normal domesticated cat"
Spot also very clearly, even within the breed change swaps sexes, and ear colours multiple times, even within episode he is very clearly male within the opening and female by the end
The other issue is Starfleet, the UFP etc is very clear on servitude of “lesser species”, we know of feline/ feloid species even within the UFP and yet, even still…. Data has a pet cat, on board their flagship.. tiny bit hypocritical 😊
I love Sub Rosa. I know it's a terrible episode, but I really enjoy it because it's so unlike anything else TNG has ever done. Plus, I love the Scottish planet. That's definitely a place I would love to live.
That scene is why the 5th one is one of my favorites movies of the og series
I happen to be one of the few defenders of Nemesis. It has been and shall continue to be my favourite star trek movie. It was the first new star trek I had ever seen and can recall watching it for the first time to this day in my grandfather's old tv room with his giant CRT tv. I am well aware it is a very flawed movie but it has remained a "comfort food," movie to me. The space battle actually is my phone background to this day. My grandfather passed shortly after one of my kids were born and I immediately fell back on that happy memory of a 5 year old watching new star trek for the first time, and now that she's a few years old she loves star trek as well, and funny enough nemesis was the first trek anything she sat with me and watched from beginning to end.
I'll defend Nemesis. I enjoyed it. Yes the plots a but thin and not a great finale for TNG. But as a standalone 2hrs of trek fun, yeah, it works. If it wasn't as bad as it was, we might never have gotten ST:PIC.
Turnabout Intruder has the best Scotty sulu and Chekhov scenes in the entire show
Sisko to Q: "I'm not Picard."
Picard to the Sheriff: "I'm not from Nottingham."
I'll give my opinion of another honorable mention. Nemesis has another great piece; the bridge crew having the meeting just before final confrontation with the Scimitar up through Picard's log entry just after, is to me, very Dominion war era StarFleet and I do dig it. Picard would love to go back to being an explorer once again but duty has called upon him to place his ship and crew in harm's way one more time.
Nazis being slain by Klingons made that one awful Voyager episode (S4 E19) totally worth it.
Looks like we need ourselves some Klingons.
@@thedemolitionmuniciple - advocating for the murder of people you don't agree with is about the most Nazi thing you can do.
@@thedemolitionmuniciple - advocating for such a thing to be done to people you don't agree with is exactly what the nazis did.
Number 4 is a lot different, as you usually remind us these days. After all, we know that changes were brewing behind the scenes for the nixed Season 5. Changes to the ship alone(which TNG Season 8... I mean Picard Season 3 so graciously made canon) showed that this holodeck based episode was filled with historical errors, leaving the door open for us all to safely proclaim "Trip's NOT Dead!"
And how appropriate is it that it was by use of the TNG cast that the Enterprise finale was corrected in the end? Just saying... It's about time.
I don't like Cardassians because of that TNG scene with Picard...too triggering...
Also, I love the idea that SPOT is actually the cat/alien from both Men in Black and Ms. Marvel!
13:17 this is one of my favorite scenes, I laugh out loud every time.
If you think of it as a comedy it’s so fun
Isn't Nemesis a film and not an episode? And what about Star Trek 5?
I will always believe that Trip's death was faked so he could join Section 31. This should be canon!
Despite no suggestion he was ever included in, leaning towards, nor approached by sec31, despite reeds hatred towards what they become, he didnt try and talk him out, despite trips perfect ethical character etc…sure he “joined section 31”
@@samwalker8893 I'll take anything, even the flimsiest, most canon destroying bad writing, to retcon that ending
I have read a couple of books where that is exactly what happened, and they're pretty good. I'd love to see one of them explored in a movie or something.
@@neil993 it wasnt reality… it was a holoprogram.. THAT was the whole point of that perception
From Star Trek 5 I'd also nominate the scene near the end where McCoy says "I thought you said men like us don't have families", and Kirk replies "I was wrong".
On the one hand Sam Kirk remains forgotten, on the other it pays homage to the depth of friendship between Kirk, Spock and McCoy that he considers them his family.
I guess if we didn't have DS9 and Voyager, we would only be talking about how great TNG is. Thanks for keeping the franchise afloat so we can continue to talk about how great TNG is
Star Trek 5 is a GREAT movie!!! Awesome Klingons, great quotes all around. Sure a couple slip ups, but overall it is the movie I watch most often.
The thing is when it comes to cats you really can't train them. And I really like sub Rosa. It's not a bad show. You don't speak for me.
As far as thresholds concerned I bet you Harry's glad he dodged that bullet
Yeah, how nice of Kathy to go ahead and send the forever Ensign instead of the prison boy. :P
I didn't see the end scene of Enterprise, showing all the different ships sharing the opening scrawl of the franchise.
I'll never forget the first time I saw Final Frontier. When it got to the "I need my pain" scene, it genuinely felt like I'd accidentally switched to a much better movie.
Am I the only Trek fan that genuinely loves NEMESIS?
I wouldn't say I love it, but I did enjoy it and I don't stand behind all the haters. Was it the best of the TNG movies? Probably not, but was it as bad as everybody makes it out to be, definitely not.
You are NOT. I have jumped down a MANY folks throat for bad mouthing Nemesis. Tom Hardy gave the best villain performance likely since Khan, he didn't just rely on makeup and a fake accent, he had the Picard mannerisms down PAT. Showed what the noble Picard we all know might have been with a harder life. He was the PERFECT foil for Picard. The battle sequence at the time (and possibly still) was the best in TNG history visually. The only REAL issue with Nemesis is the alternate ending belonged directly after Picard left b4.
9:26 that wasn’t Harry’s fault, that was Tom’s doing.
Picard's closing speech in "Justice" from TNG season 1. That episode is *completely impossible* to take seriously, what with the Planet of Gorgeous Naked People, but that speech about....well, justice....is very apt.
Old Kes looks like Christopher Walken.
Solid picks
Unpopular opinion: my favorite episode of Enterprise is "These are the voyages"
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Now I have “looks like we mated“ playing in my head. 😂😂😂
Loved it when Chief O'brien saw Q and said "bloody hell!" Always makes me laugh
"Up the Long Ladder" is one of the top 5 best episodes of Star Trek.
Nemesis is an abysmal Star Trek movie (with most of the best bits being on the cutting room floor), but it's a surprisingly decent vampire movie.
I genuinely do not care for Star Trek V, but .... that scene you describe is one of the films two redeeming bits. While I disagree with Kirk's contention that we need our pain ... the scene come off powerfully well for all three of the trinity. Maybe even for Sybok himself
For 10 for me is was that look at the end Sisko gave him that said, "What did you expect to happen?"
12:59 sub-Rosa is the perfect Halloween episode
With the enterprise finale, my biggest gripe with the riker and troi appearance was that it was set around the Pegasus story, with them looking older I’d had preferred the arc was around him taking command of the titan
I enjoyed Enterprise. T´Pol was always a pleasure to see.
I've always hated "STV" but the focus on the death of McCoy's father (which I'd honestly not thought about in years) makes me feels a touch more empathy and I can today truly understand its placing on this list. I still think it sucks, I still don't wanna watch it, but.....I get it.
I want my pain I need My pain is my favorite quote.
So kes was millions of light years away from them when she left the show, how did she manage to find them and what method of travel did she use to cross so much space so quickly?
try the same method that she used to catapult them 10,000 light years and nothing flat.
and she was never millions of light-year, only thousands.
@@amandamatheny3675 it stand to reason she should have done it again for them if she has that kind of ability
@@amandamatheny3675 even so that as a stretch in TV logic to think she could find them in the vastness of space and somehow be able to catch up to them
Spirit folk reminds me of darby o'gill and the little people. It was just weird
My continued head cannon on the Q/Sisko fight - While I understand this was almost certainly not the intention of the writer of this episode, I believe that Sisko was able to hurt Q due to his Prophet Powers. Which is why Q moves on from the station, he understands that the station is important, but it isn't worth the risk of getting the Prophets upset with him (Q). He has enough enemies as it is.
No...hear me out....
Star Trek and Marvel crossover 🥰
We have Patrick Stewart and Tom Hardy in Nemesis playing the same character more of less. In Marvel we have Stewart as Professor X, and Hardy as Venom/Eddie.
It can be done, there is already a technical crossover in Dr Who, although just a mention.
DINNA LIGHT THA' CANDLE
Thanks.
13:30, anybody else notice the headstone says "McFly"?
Different races can be united if they share at least most the same values and goals as each other.
Bones’ pain was mimicked at the end of “The Mist”.
The final line from the DS9 episode “Valiant.” Entirely subjective but while Valiant was a great episode for Nog’s development, for me episode had a few to many plot contrivances like the Valiant having no senior officers or that a Defiant class ship would be used for a training mission when a bloody was being fought for me to enjoy it. Plus the general pluck of Red Squad and the fact they were allowing themselves to be lead by a blowhard who clearly didn’t know what he was doing didn’t really endear them to me, so when they got trash canned it was a bit hard for me to feel sorry for them.
But when Collins, the last survivor of Red Squad tries to come to their acting captain’s actions despite being reckless and getting them all space dusted, Nog’s final line on the man was to me one of the most poignant summary of the man and others like him.
“He may have been a hero. He may have even been a great man. But in the end, he was a bad captain.”
When I rewatch DS9, I tend to skip “Valiant.” But for that line and the progress to Nog’s story it had, I’m glad it exists
I unambiguously love Sub Rosa. It’s so dumb, so silly, so weirdly sexy in an uncomfortable way but damn if it’s not one of the most fun TNG episodes to sit through. It’s terrible but I’m glad it exists.
In hindsight Kes' heel turn was very true to life.
"How many people does it take, Admiral, before it becomes wrong? Hmm? A thousand? Fifty thousand? A million? How many people does it take, Admiral?!"
Is it any coincidence that Star Trek and the Irish go hand in hand? I think not. And Sub Rosa is the trashy pulp novella episode that all secretly love to watch.
IMO, DeForest Kelly's portrayal of Dr. Leonard McCoy is the strongest character in Star Trek. And that's saying something.
The most perfect scene, in any Star Trek franchise show, is the beginning scene of TNG "The Emissary."
Worf, the greatest poker player ever, wins the hand.
Nothing else comes close in any franchise episode nor movie.
Ok I 💯% agree with the #1 spot
While McCoy's pain was ghastly and sad, it does not compare to the pain we all felt watching the remainder of the film.
Kirk's pain...is likely the fandom's pain. It had only been half a decade since both the demise of his son Dr. David Marcus...and the destruction of the original Enterprise in Star Trek III: The Search for Spock. Guarantee you he was still smartin' from that, especially considering that one piece of dialogue from his personal log just two years later in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country..."I have never trusted Klingons...and I never will. I can never forgive them for the death of my boy."
Number 10 is my favorite scene with Q even though it is not my favorite episode with him. Not my least favorite either though to be honest.
I've always thought that Data calling a ginger tabby "Spot" told us so much about him! I've been tempted to call one of my cats, most of which have been pure black, Spot, but knowing no-one but another Trekker would get the joke, I've never done it. One day, maybe!
I named a tortie cat Spot because of this episode 😂
The thing about the Nemesis scene is that they're having dinner on the floor of the most important public institution on the planet, which was made possible by the fact that all of its members had been murdered there.
Spot: First transgender character in Star Trek. In all seriousness, I really liked the environmental episode. I feel it's aged well, and is actually MORE relevant to today's world than it was to the world of the early 90s, since our world is on a crash course with total destruction if we don't change things enormously. Unfortunately, the warp speed restrictions are pretty much ignored from this point forward. We get a little handwave that the new variable nacelles on Voyager are a way to counteract the effects of high warp velocity. But the fact is, "Lay in a course, Ensign, maximum warp... Engage!" is a hell of a lot more fun than. "Lay in a course, Ensign, Warp 5... Engage!" Of course, the Enterprise is often on emergency missions that lets them exceed the Warp 5 speed limit. Voyager has the magic nacelles, but even if she didn't, they're trying to get home. It'd never happen at Warp 5. Anyway, I like the episode... it's the "magic reset button" Star Trek TNG had to use that kinda robbed it of any long-term potency.
Also, dodgy accents. I can do 1985 accents. I can't do an Irish (or for that matter Scottish) accent. I can do South African, Australian, all the different Southern Accents, almost all or perhaps all of the UK accents (convincingly enough that the "accent expert" who can tell not only what city you were born in, but what street you grew up on placed me in a place I had never heard of, let alone visisted) and a thousand foreign accents.... I can do everything, except somehow, Irish and Scottish both elude me. (I've gotten better with Irish, having had significant chance to practice it, but I'm not ready to debut the improved accent yet.) For those going for an english accent, remember that it's always "dohrtor", not "dahhter."
(SPOILERS IF YOU ARE READING THE STORMLIGHT ARCHIVE, WHICH YOU ALL SHOULD BE, SO NONE OF YOU SHOULD READ THIS UNTIL YOU'VE READ "OATHBRINGER") And for your #1 scene, yes... it's a good scene. But it's done one hundred thousand million billion times better in the novel "Oathbringer" by Dalinar against Odium, just before he manifests the power of a God and sends Odium running like a frigthened school girl.
The thing about McCoy's guilt over what happened with his father omits one crucial detail. Yes, the cure may have been found shortly after Leonard turns off the life support, but that doesn't mean the cure would have completely restored his father. Chances are the condition, which I don't believe was ever named, caused catastrophic damage to his father's body during its course, hence the unbearable levels of pain. Curing the condition would have stopped the ongoing degradation, but unless they could replace every single affected system, his father's life was still going to one of ongoing suffering. Sorry to be such a downer.
Force of nature is still the most accurate episode in all of Star Trek. Something that's a part of our way of life is doing horrible damage to everything around it... We've confirmed it is absolutely happening and we really need to do something about it. Never bought up again, no meaningful change, couldn't be more real if it tried.
Self hate, self loathing and self shaming are common traits among hopeless lefties.
@0:23 -- pants, pants -- what is pants?! Clearly /not/ trousers, lmao.