TrueBrake Logitech Brake Pedal Mod Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 มิ.ย. 2024
- Very noticeable improvement to the performance of your Logitech Brake Pedal.
Intro: 0:00
Closer Look: 0:45
Look Inside: 9:34
Installing: 20:18
Testing Configuration: 41:47
Driving: 43:52
Final Thoughts: 48:14
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I bought this about the same time as he reviewed the product. I am retired and drive several hours every day. The product is still working as good as day 1. It really uses a "Hall Effect" because it is basically a steel rod going in and out of an electromagnet. I have mine inverted in G27 pedals and I love it. It is still very stiff.
I like how barry reviews "cheap" (called for some people) logitech pedal mods. Nice job, i like your videos
It is cheap what its $120 Australian (?) unless your a dependant (kid ) its not an issue ........
@@Skippy-id9yt yeah because when you re an adult you dont have any more expenses like house, car and bills lol
@@Skippy-id9yt it's $105 CAD before shipping, taxes (13%) & duty once it comes to canada...............it's more like 140-150, NO THX !
My g920 wheel on sale cost 340 with tax, this is nearly 1/2 the price of the g920.
i'll just remove the damn rubber stopper & maybe get a progressive spring for $20 instead from aliexpress !
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That dd wheelbase + $25 office chair + ratchet straps is by far the highest grade equipment in the SRG! Love it. Deserves a video all on its own.
Thank you for this review. So many people want to know about this device!
Another awesome review, thanks Barry. I frequently go back to your reviews over the years to help me make decisions on purchases I am planning to make. The SRG is an invaluable resource. P.S. It boggles the brain that someone would downvote this video.
Like how you show and explain every detail of the upgrade and easy to follow instructions
Thank you, good sir! Amazingly detailed as always.
You are one of the best contributors to the sim racing scene .
keep up the good work! We appreciate it very much !
Always great reviews that allow a person to make a good assessment of a product. I think I’ll get one of these as a back up to my Ricmotech.
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I just got mine today, just wanted to drop a quick thank you, I was dreading the install so much I put off buying it originally, however, your video showed it was really straight forward to do, loving the mod now, so thank you again!
Thank you for making this video. I've been looking for mods that are more than just out a 3D printed spacer in. Just pre-ordered my mod and cable! Looking forward to it
Love that FS HDO and Rapidfire on the back wall !
Bought it and love it. One thing i recommend is that you buy the optional spring kits. I found that the 100% spring was too stiff, very hard on the door and could not get a good feel, switched to 60% and so much better. Now I may go to the 80% to see how that does. Great product.
are you using the bypass cable or just direct back into the wheel plug in?
Great video - many thanks Barry. I just placed an order for the new brake and the Bodnar adapter.
Every time I get the review I'm looking for HERE. Thank you!
Great review. It had an ASMR feel to it - very chilled vibe :)
Thanks for making the effort to really go into detail with this one. I'm thinking about getting one for my current setup and this really helped... guess it's a no brainer really.
Thanks again.
I love your reviews you take your time you show and explain every single detail of a sim racing product.
Frigging delightful breakdown and assessment!
I got this mod. So happy with the purchase. My braking is now controllable. I am getting better lap times because of it. I can brake so much later. I never used a load cell. I have only owned a g920 brake set. Dump the original brake, swap the springs around. It’s great. If you have the money buy a bettter set up. If you’re on a budget like me, this is soo worth it. I’m trying to get the word out. True brake is awesome.
Any comments on how the various sized buffers make a difference in feel?
@@kyaw5800 i went with the middle size and I am very happy with my choice. You will not regret your purchase.
hello are you console or pc curious to how it would work on console
@@ceementality im on pc but i think it would be the same. i made no adjustments to any software. it just worked
Thanks for the review! Looks to be a good quality product
Best sim racing channel online. Thanks again Barry
Had my truebrake for a few months now. It's superb. The brake feel is amazing, feels just like a good firm brake, a small amount of initial movement then really firm.
Lap times dropped noticeably.
Which load pièce do you use? The one used here, with less travel or the smallrt one with more travel ? Thanks 👍
Hey mate, are you using yours with stock logitech interface or with the Leo bodnar cable?
Ricardo Fonseca I have the brake and i use the the third largest. I tried them all and I prefer the third largest. I think it is about your personal preference. Barry is a beast that’s why he uses the largest lol. This vid convinced me to make the purchase. Like the original poster said it will really help with lap times. You can brake so much later.
I have just installed the Ricmotech loadcell and not liking its pressure “curve”. Maybe this one is better having more customization? I think ricmotech may have other rubbers but thus far I dont like it
@@makguy1280 +1 I am using the third largest of the four buffers I received for my TrueBrake I received in October 2020. I've been super happy with it on my Logitech G27.
May have to give this a go. Looks easy enough. Of course, Barry makes every tear-down look easy.
I wish i woulda seen this sooner! I literally just purchased the other brake mod for the G29 pedals you did a review on.... might return it and order this instead
Thanks for the review! I bought this mod earlier but it was way too stiff for me, but seen how you dismantled, so after that I knew how to change the main spring. Now it's brilliant!
Hey could you send a link to what spring you used. A natural full force braking pressure I use only is around 40% of the total force it needs to have to reach 100%. So I'd appreciate it if you can advice me on what spring u used
It’s also too stiff for me, what did I change ?
Cool. I've got my G29 pedals upside down hard mounted to my DIY rig through a T300 wheelbase and I love it (much better than the thrustmaster pedals IMO).
I have been hesitating on the richmotech load cell due to the cost for a long time. This looks like exactly what I've been looking for at excellent value.
Thanks for the great review.
The perfect entry-level wheel/pedal combo IMO !
You should get it. The true brake is awesome. I never tried a load cell, but I can’t imagine it being much better. This thing has cut my lap times by seconds. I can speed into turns like never before. The brake is now predictable. It’s great.
Dude ..you have great pedagogical skills! well explained
I have the same Next Level Racing DD Wheel Stand, I used a second pedal plate from previous rig it has a 90 degree angle and I bolted them together. I used an adaptor from G27 pedals to my TM T500 wheel base. I had to cut the grounds since I pulled the assemblies from the plastic case and grounded it thru the metal to metal contact. It is in the instructions for mounting your pedals to the DD Wheel Stand. His uses the connection away from the wheel base. Just something to keep in mind.
Starting this video with 50eur in hand. Have been looking for a reliable review. 🤘
You reviewed the hell out of that dude, great work. Safe to say I’ve just purchased one of these myself.
appreciate the video and the effort...as well as the appreciation of good machine work
Thanks for this. Very well made
Thanks for this detailed review. I also liked your thoughts at the end about load cells. I think this device is more like a spring gauge than it is like a load cell. I think it's quite clever though and after seeing your review I've ordered one for my G29.
Quality review A++
Great review! Mine is being produced this month, can't wait for it to arrive! They are suffering from a large backlog, this review will certainly not help that situation. Going to use it with the Leo Bodnar cable I already have, so same configuration.
Update: It's excellent! Enormous difference with the original brake
i like the box. makes me feel like I'm buying a part for my actual car and therefore makes spending money hurt less.
I have been using mine three months, this is absolutely great product!
Do you use it with the g29 wheelbase?
@@robertschneider8808 Sorry no, my second rig has only G27, but i think it will perform fine with G29, i didnt even calibrate pedals before using. I think wheelbase just sees this as regular potentiometer.
@@andylee2174 The only problem is that the g29 has a non linear curve on the brake petentiometer , that might mess it up. But maybe there is someone who has experience with it.
Is your brake connected to the wheelbase or with a Leo bodnar or similar cable? Curious as to whether the lack of resolution of the wheelbase takes anything away from the mod
Thank you excellent job well detailed and well done thanks again George
Looks nice
Awesome review, just ordered one
how does it feel
I almost sent you a message a few days ago asking if a review was on your radar for this mod. Thanks for giving it the SRG treatment.
I've been tempted to pull the trigger on this for the past month regardless and now I'm even closer. But. What I'd really like is some feedback from you or others who like me use a GTeye spring with the Bodnar cable and if this is a big enough improvement over that to justify the upgrade. Looks like it's about $74 USD at the moment with shipping.
now i want one
Got my TrueBrake package this past week and this is the weekend to install. I feel very confident now after watching the review. Thanks Barry!
how did it go?
@@weserio Piece of cake install. AXC-Sim is providing 4 bumper - dead zone choices. I picked the second most aggressive. I chose wisely :). I also made some spring swaps by using the old brake spring in the clutch and the clutch spring moved to the throttle. Everything feels great, much more confident going deeper into the corners as the pressure is consistent and smooth. I have only about few hours with the mod, but highly recommend!
Subbed! I absolutely love your videos! Your style is more like I'm watching a real automotive installation/ review, which is great cause tech TH-camrs often leave a lot of questions on the table.
Also, a question- Should I go for the Logitech G29? It's way cheaper and the only difference I'm aware of is the loadcell simulator on the newer sets, which is pointless if I plan on doing this mod. Also I hear the new pedals have a weird exponential curve in the brake pedal.
Sold my sprint and got this for my old pedal with Leo bodnar cable. Waiting on iracing to update so I can test it. 🙂
I've had mine for a few months and plenty happy with it. Immediately gained time over the stock logi brake
Hey mate, are you using it with the stock logitech interface or the Leo bodnar cable?
@@brunogil6630 stock interface, hadn't heard of that cable when I got the mod and haven't bothered with getting one. A bit steep for a glorified serial to usb
I'm a first time viewer, just subscribed. Great video! I may pick up this mod for my g923.
Doesnt 923 have loadcell already or was it the pro version have it?
I bought this mod still couldn't brake correctly with it... no fault of Barry solid review sir... thankfully I work as a lead operator for a plastic company that makes plastic material for the company that supplies gm with the plastic rubber compounds they use anyways a chunk of G311 A40 compound that vented out of the top of our extruder machine worked perfectly it actually made it a progressive brake pedal and feels perfect under foot to me and won't leave a bruise if I decide to drive in my socks...
Improve a Lot my Race xperiece
But how would it perform with the normal G29 wheel like many people use it? Without the bodnar cable and the enhanced resolution that comes with it. Would have been more interesting imo
Great review! I was just wondering if it would still work if you plugged the pedals into the wheel or do you NEED an adaptor?
no need
You have always made the best and most detailed video hvem it comes to g29, do you have plans to review "logitech racing adaptor"?
Thanks for the review! So, if you cannot bypass the Logitech firmware brake curve, I mean if you are connecting it to the Logitech wheel, does it makes sense even buying it?
Interesting, didn't know these things existed for Logitech setups!
They were hard to find and hardly had ANY reviews before. I saw a few talking about them in some Facebook groups back in January. Actually ordered mine back in April but because of the "pandemic" and where i live have not received it. Supposedly its being held up at customs. They were easy to communicate with but have since stopped responding to my emails.
@@cryptobigboss I got an email recently saying mine had shipped. They said back in June that their next batch was waiting for electronics from overseas, from what I recall.
then gotta test it going thru the base cause that’s the most common config.
All the best
Great review, I have just bought the upgrade myself, but to correct something, you are in fact breaking by travel distance, it is simply a shorter distance than stock with a much stronger spring.
Well even a real brake peddle is still by travel distance, if you don't push it further it will not stop on its own.
you’ve got a great voice. thank you for the tear down and review. you said the product works, and justifies the price. as a viewer, i would have appreciated guidance on how well this compares to low end load cell pedals like the TLCM from thrustmaster. would you be able to get lower lap times or more confidence and consistency on the TLCM pedals? if so, by how much? you put a couple hours into driving this, so you already know what your time trial times would be on this versus whatever your go-to pedals are, and i would appreciate if you shared that.
Hi SimRaceGarage, great video. Thank you for that! On min 42:00 approx u are talking about a "Firmware" on the G29 wheelbase which lets call it interfer the raw input on software level. Do you know if the G27 (twentySEVEN) is affected by that, too? If yes, what was the adapter you were using to bypass that? Greetings
G27 does not have that "feature".
Fist time viewer, really enjoyed the video. Im probably going to pick one of these up.
I see your Hudy equipment, just the tools or are you into RC Racing as well?
Great Stuff....the USB Cable is in this Bundle or ordering separate?
just got it. easy to install for sure. I even got the cable to bypass the firmware but now the throttle is not working the same. I'm assuming because of the firm wear bypass. I am going to try their potentiometer upgrade for the throttle see if that helps. Sucks because if i had known that i would have saved a bunch of shipping and have both installed and working already.
You should be the voice actor for movie trailers
Hi Barry, I noticed you received Sim Lab's SF1 seat, when can we expect your review on that?
Well, it's not cheap but not that expensive too...about 65, 66 euros. Thank you, very interesting (and convincing). BTW your driving station is gorgeous!!!
Yeah it makes very little actual sense to buy st that price, because for one its more expensive than what the pedals are worth, and 2 you could pick up better pedals for not much more money
Hi Barry great review. Since it’s back ordered i decided to make my own based on their idea. Been working great so far. Is there a way I could send you one to compare and see what your thoughts are to the real one?
Nice review, I just ordered mine and Im still trying to figure out what preload to use, Which one is closes to factory on logitech 920? I assuming the smallest one axc has ?
Great review, I just ordered one. Now I'm wondering if the firmware is still an issue since in the latest Logitech G Hub software are some sensitivity settings that are declared as "linear" in the 50% position. At least its possible for the G923 I own.
Also would it be a good idea to put the old brake spring to the clutch and the clutch spring to the gas pedal? I could live with the clutch but imo the gas pedal is too soft...
Yes. That's great idea. If and when I upgrade to truebrake (or loadcell from richmotech), I will be swapping clutch spring to the gas pedal and old brake spring to the clutch. Gas pedal feels too easy to push I don't feel the pressure of where I'm at.
Does this work out the box once installed, or do you need to mess around with the saturation etc… only reason is GT sport doesn’t allow and pedal calibration which has killed my home made one
I got this mod for my logitech G923 pedal base running Gran Turismo 7 on a PS5. Following the directions I switched the hub from the clutch to the brake, disconnected the R/W/B wires from the logitech potentiometer, reconnected to TBv2 wire harness. I am registering zero braking in GT7 after install. Suggestions? I double checked the correct color wires were matching to the harness
Great review. I am a ps4 user. Got some issues with my true brake. On some games we can't calibrate the pedal "in game", main example is ACC. As a result I need to apply a lot of pressure to get to 100%, a lot. It feels I can stand on one feet with the amount of pressure. Afraid i might due some damage to the gear, or to my own knee.
Any solution? Don't think so. Already contacted Kunos to see if they get that calibration option that all other games including the original AC have on the ps4. Other than that... it's a great mod.
Would you say these are more a hybrid? neither a load cell or potentiometer ! Also switching bumpers could be time consuming until you've found the one that suits you but looks like a good alternative solution to more expensive LCs.
@SimRacingGarage Thanks for a great review. Ordered a set. Question about the bodnar cable. I never understood that the cable was useful to bypass the firmware in the G29 and newer wheels that distorted the brake linear input. That said, I have a DFGT with a set of G27 pedals modded to work with it. I intend to use the DFGT wheel in line with the TrueBrake modded G27 pedals. I'm assuming that the firmware in the newer logitech wheels you mentioned doesn't apply to the DFGT? And if it does, then that means I'll need to get the Bodnar cable... right?
The brake curve is applied by FW in the G29/G920 wheelbases. If you run the pedals through the g27 wheelbase you won't need the Bodnar cable. Unless of course you want to run the pedals directly to your PC.
@@simracinggarage3026 Thanks so much!
Did you notice any flex in the pedal base? I just noticed you didn't perform your hard test where you mount it to the 8020 and do a bunch of heel toe!
I installed mine yesterday and the improvement in brake feeling is so big. I can now brake more natural but I needed 2 hours to get used to the force the pedal now needs. 100% worth it 👍
i order it yesterday ... can´t wait
Would you ever consider making a video giving us a tour of your rig?
Thanks again Barry. Might pick one up for my G27 :)
PS. Turn down the bass a little bit (I know, sacrilege).
But my neighbors now know the inner workings of the
TrueBrake Logitech Brake Pedal Mod.
There has been a lot of hate on this mod, mostly because of the way it is marketed. Despite that, once you use it you realise it is an excellent mod which is much cheaper than but the equal of a load-cell mod for the Logitech pedals. Yes, it won't be as good as pedals designed for load-cells but it is pitched perfectly for the Logitech pedals. However, if you do not have any pedals as yet, it is not economically smart to buy the Logitech pedals and the TrueBrake mod together. It will be cheaper and ultimately much better to buy one of the various entry-level load-cell pedal sets available from Fanatec in 2022 on. So, if you are on a budget and do not expect to buy more kit, get the TB. If you are starting from scratch, look at a different wheel and pedal combination.
Sold :)
Your videos are absolutely the greatest! I'm very new to the sim community. I have a cousin that's been paraplegic since he was 16, hes 26 now I believe. Cant use his legs. I just recently visited his state for a death in the family. He showed me his racing wheel and pedals. I then watched him play Iracing stuff and seen how he was having to use his hand on the pedals while steering with the other hand and felt terrible because hes really into racing. The wheels with analog paddles seem super expensive. Being handicapped, he struggles financially and hes recently started a family. I'm trying to build him a sim rig. I was really wanting to do a 2DOF with traction loss using aluminum extrusion after looking into everything heavily. I'm not wealthy either lol. I've realized it might be out of reach for me to do for him. Everything seems pretty expensive. But I REALLY want to make his sim dreams happen. Can anyone point me in the right direction on a build thats 2dof with traction loss that isnt going to cost more than 1.5 grand? Its going to take me long enough to learn actuators and servos. I'm getting overwhelmed lol. Any help would be super appreciated. I am in other communities online but I cant really find anything for what I'm looking for.
Sounds like a great thing your trying to do for your cousin. Doing it for $1,500 is going to be tough though. About the best you can do cost wise would be a DOF Reality H3 but those are still about $2,000. Hope it works out!!
I can't offer much in the way of advice as I'm new to sim racing as well, I just wanted to say your love for your cousin is beautiful to see. Best wishes
Hey man. Late to the party on this one. But, you can get hand throttle/brake controls to use with wheels. Might be worth looking into.
www.3drap.it/product/hand-controller-throttle-and-brake-gaming-is-possible/#reviews
If you were limited to console which would be a better upgrade Ricmotech or Truebrake? I would invest in CSL Elite pedals but to make it compatible with a G920 it would cost like $100-$200 more.
Im hoping to get the logitech g29 and driving force shifter on palm sunday 3 days away on my birth day. i saw my present wrapped up in the top of my parents closet.
Looks nice but how will that perform thru the G29 wheel ?
Depending on how much pressure is required to get to 50% or so before the Logitech wheel would assume the bump stop is, I could see it still working well, issue with most brake mods with the G29 is that the wheel doesn't use 100% of the travel
I've had it a few months now running through the G29 and it's great. I have my pedals inverted and mounted in my MDF sim rig and can't recommend it enough. Just buy it, you won't regret it.
Aaron Byrne-Colgan agreed
Pfff! This is a week to late, today my first load cell pedals arrived, the Fanatec CSL Elite LC to replace my G29s pedals. It feels very different, guess it takes some time to change from potentiometer G29 pedal to LC brake pedal. Did you guys go through this experience? How much time/hours did it take to get used to the LC brake? I am doing Practice and Special Events in ACC, not feeling ready to race online yet with the Fanatec LC brake :-)
Ștefan Roșu : I had the same experience a number of years ago when I bought my CSR Elite pedals with adjustable loadcell brake. I was pretty darn good with my G27 pedals (which I had used since they came out until 2008), knowing exactly how to use ‘em to be effective in my racing... hit the brake pedal all the way to the floor and then ease off to release the lock-up (NOT the other way around). I found that I could be very consistent in my braking and enjoyed the immediate, light response of the brake pedal ... very helpful on turn-in. The good news is that it does not take long to get used to the load cell and it is definitely more life-like, even if I probably still was better with my G27 loosy-goosy brake.
Hi, have you a video on the bypass using the USB adapter to get round the firmware?
This is all new to me, only 1 year with g29 and truebrake mod just shipped.
Did you bypass the firmware or just plug straight into the wheel?
I am thinking of doing this mod with a g923 on PC
Does this preload parts just generate a deadzone or does the Pedal really detect that movement?
Hi, a question. If u have this mod connected to the ps4, will it work or do you need that adapter and use it with a pc? Thankfull for an answer
The adaptor works through the wheelbase which in this case is set up for both the PS4 and PC.
Nice review as always👍. Looks like a good upgrade for my G29. But will this work on the PS4? Is this giving the wheelbase the same signal as the original potentiometer when braking?
Hi, Did you manage to get an answer to your question so far? I would like to know this for myself, as well. Thank you.
I'm looking to get this brake mod but I was curious. I play on a G920 on my Xbox, where is this firmware curve applied? Is it in the firmware in the Logitech computer program or is it somehow applied in the wheel when the signal is sent through the wheel to the console?
Good question
that sir is called a jesus clip, when it flies you say jesus where did that go.
You seem to be saying that you like this better than the Ricmotech Load cell. Is that the case?
How does it work with the g29 pedal base and the braking curve there? Not sure if it's worth buying for my G29+PS4 set-up if there will still be some brake issues
Ps4 user and g29 too waiting for a reply
Also waiting
The manufacturer says on his website that he tested it extensively with GT Sport and it works properly.
www.axc-sim.com/gran-turismo-sport/truebrake-on-gran-turismo-sport/
@@stub4488 Its awesome and has a much better feel, im using it with my G29 on the PS4, worth every cent
@@samboy8815 Thanks Sam, but can you be more specific on the feel and improvements. Can you compare the consistency, the trail braking etc? I use now that mod where i inserted another piece on the existing hard rubber there (a hard silicon thing) and yes, there is a big improvement in consistency being able to better controll low braking and trail braking
Hello I'm David, I'm French, I just watched your video and I would like to do as you put my g29 pedalboard live on my pc, I would like to know what software you used to make it work. Thanks in advance
i would like to see how it compares T-LCM
T-lcm has hall sensor clutch and pedals compared to g29 cheap pots, double the resolution, actual loadcell brake eith much more adjustability, better construction etc... no contest really. This makes sense for people on console.
@@yz249 makes sense for sun racers…. Stop ur insecurity making u chat shit
@@Max__apex no need to get pissed over facts lmao. Lots of projecting going on here, especially over... simracing equipment bloody hell.
No way a small company that makes a modification for an already inferior product is going to be able to compete with a technically superior product by a mega company. Just how it is.
The price is too high for what it is it to be justifiable on pc when you can just change your pedal set to TM and use USB, can't do that on console.
@@yz249 technically you can just use a usb on console, drive hub by collective minds…
I cant get my 3 wires off the brake pedal..dunno why it seems stuck and i dont want to apply any extra force. Any advice?
Nice stab at Ricmotech about the cheap slotted hose.
Can this compete, price aside, with the perfect pedal or Total Spanish sim(discontinued) hydraulic units?
Thx´s ...
What's it like with the stock firmware curve?
Hi, got my kit in 2 days and I'm wondering which of the Spacers (3 sizes) do you think is the best to use?
hello there!! Yesterday, I installed the True Brake into my G923 pedals, but since I have my left ankle injured, it came to stiff, that after only five pedal pushes, my ankle started to hurt, and still do 24hrs later. So I disabled the pedals again and installed the OEM spring, and know even if i push the pedal to the maximum, it only reports 74% in all the games and in G-hub... can you please give some advice. Thanks