The Greatest Players of All Time VS Each Other
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- A compilation video of my Versus Series, with a Brand New matchup.
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A massive compilation video of my VS Series, with BRAND NEW content. Who you like to see this series continue? Let me know if you have any suggestions for matchups. Time Stamps are listed below.
0:17 Charles Barkley Vs Karl Malone
10:37 Shaquille O’Neal Vs Hakeem Olajuwon
20:49 Allen Iverson Vs George Gervin
27:57 Kevin Garnett Vs Dirk Nowitzki
37:45 Steve Nash Vs Jason Kidd
im just wondering why people use players listed heights with shoes when talking about most players, but when talking about players undersized for their position such as barkley, they use their heights without shoes
Giannis vs Charles Barkley, or Karl Malone.
@@Jutrzen lol wilt isnt even top 10, mj is top 2 unanimously and most peoples number 1
@@Someone-hi1nt Wilt is the best basketball player of all time and probably 2nd best athlete of all time (after Bo Jackson).
Wilt vs. MJ.
Crazy how Barkley was so good at rebounding and being efficient when he is 6'4.
He reminds me of a shorter Elgin Baylor...i think if Barkley and Elgin were in the same league they would average just about the same amount of rebounds...I think Elgin would still average more points but Barkley would still be more efficient...Elgin in the 90s would also record more assist than Barkley and be the second or possibly 1st best passing forward behind or ahead of bird 🤔
He was listed at 6'6" but he was like 6'4" and a half, he was crazy good at rebounding
@@JohnnyRodgers3elgin was a guard tho, but I see what ur saying
@@YouCantHandleIt-small forward/power forward
@@YouCantHandleIt- he was 6ft5 1/2 barefoot taller than Barkley 6ft 4 1/2 barefoot
Barkley was also a very talented passer and floor general. Also, he was much better at creating his own shot.
Barkley was a legit point forward.
more mobile, can get his own shot is why I have him higher than the Mailman. if Stockton wasn't there I wonder how his numbers would look like.
@@richardw3347this is a insane take
@@Smoothyoki How? Barkley was better at getting his own shot and taking the ball from the top of the key to the basket better. One example is when he took David Robinson one on one and hit the game winner over him in a playoff game, thats what I mean. Malone has never done things like that.
Malone got fed from Stockton on fast breaks and pick n rolls a lot, shot spot up mid range jumpers. was more still not as mobile as Barkley in that regard. Maybe he could do those things I just never really saw it consistently. Chuck Daly in 1992 said Barkley was the 2nd best player behind Jordan on the dream team as well.
For accolades, I would add that Barkley also had the best overall performance on the greatest team ever assembled.
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@@cavader1381 Dream Team
@russellst.martin4255 Yes, however it is worth noting that Bird was "on his last leg" as Gary Payton would say.
@@GabbyBabby-pp1lx Bird was rarely the best player in the All-Star Games. He was the type to let his teammates play during blowouts as well.
So happy to see some Jason Kidd love. He is one of the best PGs to play the game but seems to always be forgotten
I’ve heard he was a good defender in particular.
Side note: I think it would have also been interesting if John Stockton was compared to him.
Both are described as good defenders and pass first players from what I can tell.
@@fortynights1513 he definitely was and both were great defenders. I think this new age of scoring point guards has blinded many of the great of PGs of the past.
he was good but not half NASH was...
I got him top 5
I want a Steph vs Zeke!! Zeke was the Man yet a lot of younger folks don't know...Steph's unbelievable I mean come on 😂 but still Great match.
Hakeem was better than Shaq because Hakeem was more versatile offensively and a way better defender than Shaq. Also, Shaq was useless in the clutch and would sometimes be sitting on the bench. Hakeem on the other hand was good in the clutch even at center. Shaq also relied on his teammates to pass the ball to him down low. Hakeem can get the ball down low and more importantly on the perimeter too so his reliance on his teammates to give him the ball down low was not an issue.
Watching how good Bird was in the 1980s, he would literally destroy the league today and top 5 in any era. Holly
Who is holly? You meant holy, didn't you? But i disagree. I'd put lebron james, steph curry, Kevin durant, nikola jovic and gianiss antetokounmpo above him. But definitely top 10. That's not a dig at bird it's just those 5 guys are crazy generational talents too.
How did you misspell Jokic and Giannis while spelling Antetokounmpo perfectly? @@iamdillyj
@@raquanjeremy6876😂😂😂😂
@@iamdillyj LeBron over Bird with the way he played in the Finals loss to Dallas? Hell no! lol Bird is superior in every way to LeBron except for athleticism..
I was in middle school when I started watching basketball. Watching Michael Jordan and Hakeem Olajuwan is what made me fall in love with basketball.
Jason Kidd led the entire 2011 Finals in plus-minus with +42.
More than Dirk, Wade, Lebron and Bosh 🔥
Because he was a role player
Imagine a Tim Duncan vs Hakeem Olajuwon matchup with both in their prime. Houston’s dancer 7 footer against San Antonio’s cold 6 11 machine
Plus, I believe Hakeem was a better player than Shaq but O’Neal had more impact in the league overall
damn you're a machine jonny, very excited to watch another long-form video
this is History Channel level content 💖💖
I love Hakeem, if i had to pick a center for my best 5 man team he'd be it.
Me too, Hakeem is the most skilled center ever on both sides of the court, Hakeem would start for me because in the pick and roll it's not many centers that can hold perimeter players like Hakeem Hakeem s offense is top tier
I can never decide between Hakeem, Wilt, and Kareem. They were all so insane. I tend to prefer players with finesse but that means I think Wilt is the better fit for center because his strength and stats are just unreal. Hakeem is the most skilled though. I want to see those 3 compared really bad.
Johnny forgetting one of Bird's accomplishments: Making half the Hawk's bench cheer and fall off the bench in laughter as he scored on them.
Coach of the Year, Executive of the Year. How long before another player gets to be Rookie of the Year, MVP, FMVP, All-Star MVP, CotY and EotY along with an Olympic Gold medal? If he carried those nobodies past Magic's stacked college team after his 33-0 run, he'd have it all, but even Bird wasn't enough to bridge that gap - a taste of things to come.
Hell, if modern advanced analytics existed back then he might have even swiped a DPOY in his 3 year MVP run.
Just carrying a team past Magic's stacked roster once puts him in the GoaT conversation for me, but I wish so hard that he made that shot in 87 - his best supporting cast was old and injured and watching from the bench, but he still nearly put them on his back and carried the leftovers to a ring - it would have absolutely cemented him as the GoaT and even MJ wouldn't have overcome it.
The Malone and Stockton synergy was so unique, it's almost impossible to properly evaluate them individually. They both were so incredibly healthy, that we seemingly have a too-small sample size to evaluate them playing without the other. Each also only played one season without the other, one as a rookie off the bench, and the other in an injury season at age 40. Did Stockton make Malone an all-time great scorer with those perfectly timed and placed passes and offensive orchestration, or did Malone make Stockton the all-time assist leader with his ability to make the right plays off ball and finishing them? It seems that many fans and pundits diminish their individual status with the claim that they had that other guy helping, which seems to be the case here in this video. I will add that Malone did start his ascent as a scorer while Rickey Green started at point, for what that's worth.
Basketball is a team sport, and that synergy with other players is itself a skill. Barkley had plenty of solid point guards in his prime, with Cheeks and Dawkins both being among the best passers in the league, and KJ when healthy, being a phenom even greater than Stockton for a time. But Barkley never had that synergy with teammates. He was a force unto himself for the most part. His MVP season was the only one where he really fit well. That Suns team was special, and his connection with those guys was solid, but still nothing close to Stockton-Malone, Jordan-Pippen, or Magic-Worthy type synergy.
@timl9724 The Malone and Stockton synergy was so unique, it's almost impossible to properly evaluate them individually.
great point.
One of the best written basketball comments I've ever seen
Hey jonny! i think in the future you should make another video about players ahead of their time, but now give them a accurate current-day comparison. looking foward to this video!
One who would deserve mention is Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf (hope I spelled that correctly).
Good idea
I was born in 2000 too young to see Barkley but he keeps getting put higher on my list he was a beast
Sir Charles was likely the best player without a Ring... 💖💖
Born in 2000 ? That sound like a few years ago … because perhaps it’s 2023 !
Time flies … life is so short.
These compilations are like crack for a stat junkie like myself. Good stuff as always.
shame sometimes they are wrong
@@Lizards_Lounge Official stats are sometimes wrong in the first place. Remember the highlight of the Bulls blocking Charles Smith four times in a row at the end of Game 5 of the 1993 ECF? Apparently, Scottie Pippen is officially credited w/ zero blocks in that game. Though if you slow down the footage beneath the basket, one of the blocks was actually by the backboard.
As a suggestion, I think I looking at prime stats is a bit more telling than career average which can become deflated when guys decide to stick around for too long.
Day 5 of asking for a video on who would be your top basketball team of all time. 15 players, 3 players per position. It's not just about talent, but also chemistry. To make it more interesting, you can also pick which year of that player you'd decide on. The ultimate dream team.
Bench matters, so I like this as a team building challenge:
Who wins the series if the top 1-5+16-20 play the top 6-15?
@richardlloyd2589 that's a cool idea as well, but the point of mine is like if Martians come down to earth and challenge us to basketball, and you had to assemble the best team ever from any Era, who would you assemble.
I think the duo of Charles Barkley and Kevin Johnson is underrated.
Those two were very strong scorers in the 1990s NBA.
Tom Chambers, Danny Ainge and Dan Majerle were also very good players.
And Cedric Ceballis
Barkley should've retired a Sun. The Rockets management didn't know what they were doing and those jerseys were so bad. It messed up the end of his career.
@@JimBrave-ri1ocHis first Rockets season arguably wasn’t that bad (side note: the 97 Rockets were 32-8 in the regular season when Barkley, Hakeem and Drexler all played together) but that team had a very short window. I agree that the end of his career was messed up though.
I’d have to disagree on the jerseys though. Late 90’s Rocket jerseys are probably my favorite ever, and I’m not even a fan of their team.
Barkley retiring as a Sun would’ve definitely been cool though. Also Kevin Johnson is overlooked in general.
KJ was considered the best PG in the game for maybe 2 seasons after Magic retired.
@@fortynights1513 Those jerseys were awful that was a well known thing and people all agreed back in the day about stuff like that. People had good taste then. Even Barkley said they were bad jerseys. Hakeem didn't like it either and most Rockets Fans said they didn't like them. The New All red ones are bad too. they're two plain. They were awful jerseys and several players even said that was the reason they didn't win. That team had the Talent to make the Finals and should've. Barkley Hakeem and Drexler. Also Eddie Johnson and several other players.
I gotta take Hakeem over Shaq just for the 1995 title run as a tiebreaker. Olajuwon beat Malone's Jazz, then Barkley's Suns, then completely embarrassed Robinson's Spurs and Shaq's Magic in winning the most difficult championship in the history of the league. You're never going to see another run like that again. Robinson and O'Neal were just monsters that year and Olajuwon ripped David to shreds in the WCF, painful as that is to say as a Spurs fan. And then followed that up by giving Shaq the broom. Just an unreal playoff run.
The Rockets gave the Magic the broom, but a very young Shaq held his own against Hakeem. Shaq’s stats and efficiency that series were incredible.
"You never going to see another....again" stop saying that shit people plz
@@facelessandnameless 95 was Shaqs second best scoring year of his career. He was a superstar at that point and Hakeem swept him
Hakeem is better than Shaq as a all around player more skilled on offense and especially defense
You need to include D-Wade in some of these. Folks are forgetting how great Flash was. (Ex: D-Wade vs Iverson or Harden)
facts
Wade is top 5 sg all time, no matter how low you prefer, 5th is worst. I say he's 3rd. Jordan, kobe then wade. And you could argue clyde, klay, and west. But I'll take prime wade over all but Jordan. Depends on the team structure if kobe is preferred over wade in my opinion. A slasher like wade may be more valuable to certain teams vs kobe. Also , wade taught LeBron how to win a title. And wade was better than James in 2011. No one seems to remember that
@kenw2225 I would take Wade over Kobe as well. He was more efficient, faster and quicker, a better passer. He dominated in the NBA Finals like few ever have.
I just know this video will be amazing❤🔥
Pretty much agree with you. Bird for sure. Barkley may have been closer to 6’3” as Jordan was maybe 6’5” tops.
Both Barkley and MJ were measured as 6'4.75" without shoes for the Olympics
Time to cancel all my plans for the next hour Jonny just uploaded
Barkley was also the best player at the ‘92 Olympics
Maybe Pippen Pippen per 40 minutes was averaging 18 / 11 / 14 / 6 / 3 on 58%
@@JimBrave-ri1oc yeah but he still only averaged 9ppg. Barkley averaged 18 on 71% from the field
Oh im looking forward to this
Love your channel and takes
I love this. You picked some tough ones to adjudicate. I’m so happy you decided to take this on ❤
Love the Vids man as Always 😊
One point you could have made in the hakeem/shaq comparison is hakeem swept shaq in the finals. Also, hakeem has more 100/100, 100/200, and 100/300 seasons than anyone. Fun fact, he barely missed getting a 100/200 season in his rookie year with 99 steals.
David Robinson is Second most likely.
But Shaq held his own and had insane stats that series. Hakeem just had the better and more experienced team.
@@facelessandnamelessexperienced, yes. Better team? Debatable. Hakeem had Clyde. Shaq had Horace Grant, Penny, and Nick Anderson. Orlando had way more talent.
@@mattchooblink debatable yes, but let's not downplay Hakeem's teammates either with Vernon Maxwell, Otis Thorpe, Kenny Smith, & Robert Horry.
The Rockets had a team with some really good veterans who played big in the playoffs.
@atlien1988 I didn't realize Horry was on that team. He was in the league forever. It sounds similar to Dirk's 2011 team. Bunch of great players exiting their prime, but with insane team chemistry. Would you agree?
Magic Johnson is my favorite player of all time, and my point guard of choice in my dream starting 5. With that being said, I respect the case you made for Larry being the better all-round player. I felt you made solid arguments and I agree with them even if it hurts in my heart 😂. Solid series man really
Man I'm not fan but respect both and they soooo close that on my all time list I can't even choose who be ahead the other but they always side by side...
@@Bigedub101 facts they're so intertwined you can never talk about one without mentioning the other
@davidnottle47 I hate both Lakers and Celtics but I watched a few of their games and all and I can't even see how any other players gonna knock them put MY Top 10 and both way too neck n neck but Bird might be so slightly better cause was so versatile
I get the argument and I think Bird is most definitely one of the all-time greats, BUT I think the point that there has never been a player who makes his teammates better more than Magic means more than people realise. Him winning half the championships in the 80s is huge, not to mention the sheer number of Finals appearances. Basketball is a team sport and when thinking of best players it's important to remember that the ones who are aware of that are the truly great ones. Players who know how to utilise their team and win consistently are the true greats. In my opinion, there is no greater basketball (the team sport) player than Magic. If you are talking about individually, you would have had to test that in a one-on-one tournament, which isn't really basketball anyway. Magic and Bird are two of the greatest all-time without a doubt. But looking at it from a basketball standpoint, even Bird said Magic was the best he'd ever seen. I agree with that statement.
I dont agree. Magic was better. 5 championships and finals mvp 1 his rookie year. 13 seasons 9 finals 5 rings. 3mvps, 3 finals mvp, 10 all nba teams 9 being first, 12 all star seasons. Bird was great but Magic imo edged him.
You should definitely do a wilt vs bill one 🙏🏻
It's so not even close it's not really a comparison
@@desberryman2827 what are you talking about?
Love the video!
You should think about adding two more categories: 1.player peak and 2.career. This is do to playing styles, peaks in regards to other players in that era and longevity which all are valid points in comparisons amongst players.
Bird was the top ranked assist maker among non guards for 10 of his 13 seasons. There are only 3 non guards among top 50 alltime in APG, Bird is one of them and among those 3 players he is the only one who is not the primary ball handler of his team. So Magic’s lead over him in facilitating is smaller than most people realise.
Ye magic being the goat passer and being much more flashy gave him more recognition for passing. I’d argue bron and bird are probably the best non guard passers ever
That also work for LeBron but at the end Magic is still way over everyone
Well, if Magic played as a forward instead, then he could possibly have the same amount of rebounds as Bird. He became a guard despite his height b/c he could play all five positions, at least offensively.
Magic was a far better passet than Bird
@@jp3813 And if Bird was the primary ball handler for Boston he would probably have as many assists as Magic.
Always coming with the great content!! Thanks Bro!
Everytime I see '90 bball it reminds me how good was seeing real dunks against real contest at the rim
You have to disregard numerical rankings when you're making up a team of all-time greats. You don't need everyone to be a great scorer and all of a sudden defense becomes more important. Players who can do more things are more valuable. Players who can do more and have an impact without shooting the ball are more important. If I was to construct a team of all-time greats Scottie Pippen would definitely be on it. Even though he's top 30, he definitely be one of the first 10 chosen for me.
Scoring numbers are just a trap when comparing who is the best, especially when we're talking about TEAMS here. All of these players individually are so talented that both teams are GUARANTEED to be able to score points, but a team's defense is what wins championships and wins playoff series the vast majority of the time.
You're Right and it really means that Scottie is top 15.
@@JimBrave-ri1ocyou're right. if we were playing a pick-up game, he should go top 15, coming off the bench at the very least. I would put him above KG, Dirk, Wade, Stockton, Ewing, AI and McHale though, which are names that have been mentioned above Pip. In terms of historical ranking, I think his proper place in history is somewhere in the 25-20 spot.
@@RetroKid I value Pass first players a lot. Also I value Defense a lot aswell as a Great Second I value a Great Robin over a fake Batman, if you know what I'm saying. That guy that averages 17 / 8 / 8 / 3 / 1 on the team is better than the guy averaging 29 / 4 / 4 / 1.5 And that's probably not a good analogy cause Pippen was A Great Batman. Just that he played on a Team his entire Prime with Michael Jordan.
Pippen would've won 1-2 Titles Anyway no matter what team he played for. Sonics, Bucks, Knicks, etc His Prime was from 89-97. Pippen would've been Hall of Fame and an 8 time All star no matter what team he was on. He was too good in College. He's actually the Fastest player of all time and usually hid that on the court with different change of pace dribble drive moves and when he was in the open court he would change his pace and lengthen his stride. he's the fastest and best at changing pace right there with MJ and Julius
It was Pippen that made the NBA change into the POST UP BALL and to stop getting in Running Track Meets with Pippen and Jordan. They were running past everyone and young there from 87-89. That is when the NBA purposely changed to a Defensive league cause it was the Pistons doing that cause of Pippen and Jordan.
Scottie Pippen was an all time great player when he played with MJ. Outside of that he was just a good player. To be fair that was when he was older.
Excellent video. I agree with all of your choices.
Note: in your KG vs Dirk comparison, if you included passing/playmaking, KG would have won by a mile. He was clearly the better all-around player.
I love these verses Jonny you can continue this going forward
This is probably my favorite video you have done. I really enjoyed it. Tough to argue against any of your choices.
8:51 Karl Malone was has 3 trips to the finals, in '97 and '98 with Utah and i '04 with LA
100% correct on Hakeem! Best two-way players ever are Hakeem, MJ and Wilt. Not even a discussion...
AN HOUR of jonny jeez this is gold
Keep up the great work; I dig your content!
As an Olajuwon fan , I feel validated lmao
Intimidation vs Finesse
Do you think Hakeem was better than Wilt or Kareem?
@@grog3514 I love Olajuwon but them boys are built different
Love your uploads bro!
Excellent video! Need Bill Russell Vs Wilt!
I think a full TD21 vs KG21 would be more interesting! Out of the 3 Dirk is clearly the best scorer and had to take those Mavs teams on his shoulders. Timmy dad Garnett could do the scoring but made their HOF carriers as 2 way players
Johnny, you are posting high-quality videos at an astonishing pace. Please take a personal weekend and take your wife somewhere nice ❤
Nice breakdown as always.
Like Malone versus Barkley, Shaq has the statistical advantage in many categories over Hakeem but I'd take Hakeem every time! Hakeem was just way more versatile! Shaq didn't have much of a game other than just bulldozing his way to the hoop and dunking it or getting fouled. Hakeem is probably the most skilled big man ever and if it weren't for Kareem there wouldn't even be a debate! Hakeem didn't shoot 3's at all really but there's no doubt in my mind that if he were playing today in today's game that is so dependent on 3's that he would be a decent threat from there too! He would probably have a game similar to Embiid but wouldn't shoot near as many 3's. Just enough to keep the defense honest. Plus, Hakeem never had another superstar in their prime playing with him other than his first couple years with Ralph Sampson before he got hurt. The best he got was Clyde Drexler on the downside of his career. Shaq had Penny, Kobe, and D Wade to keep the defense from focusing everything on him. Dream had to carry teams almost singlehandedly at times.
Robinson didn't have anyone either on his team. Just Terry Cummings who was retired basically and Sean Elliott everyone else was a CBA player or from the Italian league. They had the lowest paid roster.
Only got Tim Duncan way late after a back injury. Robinson wasn't the same after he broke his back. Prime Robinson with Prime Duncan would've won 80 games and would've won the Title every year even with CBA, Avery Johnson and Vinny Del Negro.
Hakeem also had better scoring stats in the playoffs
@@karlo9572that’s because Shaq was still in the playoffs late into his career when he was no longer the #1 option. Look at their first ten seasons and it’s a wrap for Shaq
Stop smoking. If you think that Penny, Kobe and Wade were the ones opening up shots for Shaq and not 100% the other way around.
@@coloneldusty4476 Both Penny and Kobe helped Shaq get easier shots. Truth.
We need a wilt vs bill russle.
Dwade vs jerry west
Cp3 vs Big 0
Dame vs Russ
One of these
cp3 vs big 0 💀💀💀💀 oscar sweeps
@melteddragon3174 maybe as of peek, but longevity it goes to cp3. The shooting goes to cp3, and the defense might also go to cp3.
I think there is a debate
WADE vs WEST ???? PLEASE never talk about basketball again...putting WEST in the same sentence as WEST is really dumb...
@@randomperson2540 longevity dont really matter tho, i mean is his longevity that good if hes averging like 10 and 8 and is a cone on defense now, also Big O is a better defender than chris paul wdym
@onlyfacts3178 What lol you the only that out west with west in the same sentence.
I still say the Lakers would have won the title in ‘04 if Malone didn’t get injured. He was more important to that team than people realize
and Kobe and Shaq had issues
@@RealCorndogKobe and shaq had issues the whole time. Lakers changed chemistry to make it work with Malone and Payton, and when the injuries hit, it messed up everything.
Kobe and Shaq who are top 10 in their primes aint enough?
what have i just found this might be my favorite youtube channel now W vid
God I missed this one. Johnny just Killin us with the s tier content lately.
GOAT Content
Shaq is awesome, but it is kind of weird with his size that he wasn't as defensively dominant as well
His rebounding stats are a little embarrassing too tbh
Yeah being #8 all time I'm blocks ànd #15 all time in the entire history of the game is for sure embarrassing
Nice job. I agree one hundred percent. Surprising.
Sooo good. Do more!
ONE SIXTY TWO!!!!!🎉🎉🎉
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One thing I always consider when weighing up the Magic v Bird is the calibre of team mates. It's subjective, of course, but I'd take Worthy and (certainly early) 80's Kareem over McHale and Parish. I like DJ over Michael Cooper. I feel overall that Magic's "supporting cast", to use a somewhat derogatory phrase without meaning it like that, was stronger overall, and led to greater team success. Magic was loved too, Bird was hated, sometimes leading to him being targeted with harder defense...not necessarily tighter defense. If you're going to drop off a man to double someone on the perimeter, are you gonna drop off McHale to go to sniper Bird more often than you'd drop off Worthy to close down Magic? 100%. I'd say, all things considered, Bird was the better player too. But Magic is right there and both top 5 to me.
I want to see Patrick Ewing vs David Robinson.
Robinson is the 2nd Pick in an ALL TIME DRAFT if every player is 25 years old and healthy. Gauranteed he's the 2nd pick after Jordan.
you funny
I grew up watching Ewing and Robinson and Ewing was a much better player in his prime.
@@siriactuallysara I grew up watching both. Robinson was naturally good without even trying cause he was like 7'2 and BUILT LIKE A BODY BUILDER with 7'4 wingspan. However Robinson always gave Great Effort. Robinson was usually the best Shot blocker in the NBA around 4 per game and he was also about 1.5 steals per game. Robinson would get more easy rebounds cause he was 7'2.
Ewing is good but David Robinson is the second best player in the NBA. Robinson had teams much less than Ewing and still would always win 50-60 games. The Spurs would have a decent bench but they never had good Starters. They were all CBA players other than Robinson. (Anderson, Johnson, L. Daniels, and Del Negro) Yet he would win 55 Games regularly with the worst roster in the NBA overall.
So we've established that he had the best Body in Sports History but he also gave 100% effort every night and every practice. Also he was VERY SKILLED AND SMART. If he was 6'8 he still would've been a 20 / 8 / 4 / 2 / 1 player.
Robinson is Actually the Second Greatest / Best Player of ALL TIME!!!!
Jordan and Robinson would've literally won 12 Championships in a row. I would accomplish the Most with David Robinson as a team mate.
Robinson is the second most skilled Center ever after Olajuwon and maybe Ewing but it's actually close.
Robinson is the most Athletic Center overall with maybe Olajuwon, Shaq, Ewing, or Wilt Second.
Ewing may have had a better looking post game but Robinson was just as effective cause he was about 2 inches taller than Ewing. Also Robinson was more durable other than that one injury.
@@siriactuallysara so YOU ARE A KNICKS FAN AHAHAHHA
Great content and very accurate
A video on who would win in a team usa vs team world would be fun
Team USA has Magic MJ Lebron Duncan and kareem
you never mention tim duncan didnt missed the playoffs in your playoff criteria. but right from the start of the comparison i know where will this go.
Great Video!
KG should have won so many more rings. He was a Swiss Army knife that had elite 2 way ability
If he had Duncan`s touch around the rim, etc., he'd prob be the best big of all time or close. a more explosive Hakeem if you will.
He wasn't the best team mate. Also he played in the West. Then also Minnesota had all the players taken from them by the league. Then when he got with boston he became a team trouble maker too much and also his injuries started to get to him.
@@JimBrave-ri1oc I don’t believe you when you say he was a bad teammate and a team trouble maker??? Fictional lol
@@michaelbarnes2126 Pierce, Davis and Allen all say he was a jerk and a piece of shit that always wanted to cause problems.
He ran Gugs and Marbury out of Minnesota.
Garnett was a head case. way to amped and hyped and it would cause him to make 100 mistakes per game and lose the game.
Can you make Garnett vs Duncan?
No point. It's too obvious :)
@@Necrologymetal It's not. I wold argue strongly that Garnett was the more talented player, however Duncan had the better career. And my take is not that uncommon.
Actually Lebron has the most turnovers in NBA history right now
Cleaning house and this is freaking perfect headphone content✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿 subbed immediately.
Glad to have you on board, man!
I would not want this mail guy coming to my house to drop off the mail, I’d have to hide my kids
Awesome video, Jonny! I really enjoy the versus series. The new one of Nash vs. Kidd is very cool. I remember being amazed at how Kidd was such a good rebounder at the PG position. Like you, his rebounding and defense makes me prefer him over Nash.
A lot of these were fairly close for me, and I like the analysis you gave for each one.
Great compilation. Have a great day, Jonny 😊.
shooting is more important as pg. Also passing. Nash was a little better passer than Kidd throughout his career. Nash is probably the second best shooting guard of all time. Nash won MVP's and was first team all League every year. Leading teams to 67 wins every year. Most wins Kidd ever had was in 98 with 55 wins.
Kidd vs Nash is really hard Kidd was the better defender but Nash should've won the title in 07' if not for Robert horry when the east got better with Cleveland ,Detroit and Miami the nets didn't make anthoer conference finals despite having Vince Carter alongside kidd for that reason I'm picking Nash beraly
Nash was the better player. Kidd is all time in defense for sure however at the sametime Nash was a good defender. Nash was Curry on offense. Nash was a gauranteed 60 wins and 10 more wins in the Playoffs then David Stern Cheating.
defence is overrated argument...NASH was better in everything outside from DEFENCE...
@@JimBrave-ri1ocbrain dead
@@onlyfacts3178defense is literally the second part of basketball 😂
I am a fan for both Kidd and Nash. Kidd was better prior to 2004 while Nash was better after. Prime vs. prime, I am taking Kidd, who had been to 3 NBA finals and won 1.
Just have to say I love your videos
Bill Russell vs Wilt Chamberlain comparison would be a really good one
Brett Favre has more interceptions than Karl Malone
Should Malone’s turnover record be viewed as unbreakable?
@@fortynights1513 not if brett favre gets into the NBA
10:40 I think also Shaq had the better career but Hakeem was the better player.
Unpopular opinion: The 2 most underrated centers of all time both were at their best with the Rockets, Moses and Hakeem
Kg can’t be over dirk to me simply because dirk led his only team to two finals appearances and won one without another star kg didn’t go to the finals until he left to go be with other stars. On top of that they both started in the west which we know was much tougher during that time kg had to go to the “leastern” conference to win
You’re proving that you didn’t watch basketball back then. KG was compared to Tim Duncan. Dirk was never in those conversations. Dirk was known as soft for the majority of his career. People look back at dirk with rose colored glasses because he beat lebron in the finals, but he wasn’t a better player than KG. It really wasn’t close.
@@kobejordan0823 Dirk was averaging 26 / 10 / 3 / 1 / 1 on 50/ 40 / 88 Dirk is better than Duncan and he would have 6 Rings if he had Robinson, Kawhi, Tony and Ginobili.
Dirk beat Duncan head to head 2 Times in the Playoffs in 06 and also in 09. would've beat him in 03 aswell but the league chaeted Cuban again.
In that 06 Series Dirk averaged 27 ppg 13 rebounds 2 blocks 2 assists and 1 steal on 50 / 40 / 90 shooting splits. Dirk is also reguarded as the second most CLUTCH player in NBA history only to MJ.
Dirk and the Mavs really won in 06. David Stern admitted to rigging it agaisnt Cuban.
Dirk also won it all in 01, 02, 03, 05, but Stern rigged the playoffs vs Cuban.
Minor correction: Malone made three trips to the NBA Finals, not two.
Excellent insightful analysis, especially Olajuwon vs O’ Neal.
Two points I’d like to add: Hakeem was only 6’10.5” and yet outplayed bigger centers night in night out. O’Neal, if offensive fouls were properly called on him, his playing time and stats would be significantly lower.
Larry Bird averaged 30.4 PPG of 21 shots versus in 21 Head to head games against Jordan from 1985-86 to 1989-90. Jordan put up 35.2 PPG in these games but took 28 shots a game. Bird also outassisted and outrebounded Jordan handsomely in these games. Safe to say that he outplayed Jordan in this stretch. Jordan’s overall record against Bird looks better just because in 1991 and 1992 when a post injury Bird played only 60 and 45 games with fewer minutes per game, Jordan was able to improve his head to head record against Bird.
Bird also had the much better team early on so that can swing the head to head win lost record no ?
@@joel8692Yup better team, because Larry was on it. Larry literally made his team better, that’s what he did. Larry Bird was flat out better than MJ until 1990 or so. MJ is the goat but he didn’t figure out how to elevate his team in any meaningful way until Magic and Larry had faded.
Better team excuse is fanboy stuff tbh, young MJ was flawed period. Ask MJ who the best SF of all time is, lemme know what he tells you. ❤️
@@joel8692 I am not speaking of the winning record. I am speaking of head to head performance as an individual. In the 21 games between 1985-86 to 1989-90, MJ outscored Bird in only 11/21 games. MJ put up 35.2 PPG taking 28 shots a game. Bird put up 30.4 PPG a game taking 21 shots a game and was clutch at every moment that mattered. Even as a scorer i’d pick Bird over Jordan based on this. Bird outrebounded MJ in 16/21. Bird outassisted MJ in 12/21 games (tied in 3 games) even though he is not a guard. Bird was better than MJ. He just didn’t care about numbers as much and didn’t build a hype machine around himself.
@@jubjubhenry5612 They're actually similar players more than people want to admit. Bird and Jordan. Jordan was right there with Bird though in those years. I mean averaging 35 a game. Also does that count the 63 point game. It was the frontline of the Celtics that was big and would give the Bulls problems.
@@HarmanHundal01 Bird also played his absolute best against Jordan cause they knew Jordan was going to be the best ever as soon as he got a team. Also Jordan was still growing, getting stronger and better.
Players would Get UP for Michael Jordan even early in his career. Something I haven't seen since the late 90's. All Stars getting up for a Rookie or young player. Last I saw it was Players vs Iverson when he was young and Also against Tim Duncan.
the Jordan/Pippen 90s era overshadowed the achievement of lot of great players
Great video. You should’ve added “peak” as the last category or maybe before accolades.
Nice one saved for last. Yes Larry Bird was a better more complete baller than Magic but Magic is a goat and the greatest facilitator ever. Ask yourself this, how many titles does Larry get playing with the nearly consensus #3 all time in Kareem? Celts we’re talented but other than Larry no one near the top 10 like that. No disrespect to Magic at all but having Kareem is the difference in their titles. Peak Larry is a top 5 all-time player easily and Larry is one of the most skilled ballers the league ever saw.
Larry could play in Rugged Defensive Games cause Dennis and all the Pistons said it first. They all Say Larry Bird is the ORIGINAL BAD BOY!!!!! ALL FIGHT AND HUSTLE. ALL REBOUNSD AND BLOCKS ALL DEFENSE Larry could dominate games with just steals blocks and defense. Also was the best rebounder in the NBA. as proven in the 81 Finals when he out rebounded Moses Malone for the Series at 17 rebs.
Bird is the best defensive player EVER!!! Dennis Rodman has said this 1000 times. Isiah also says that Bird is by far the best Defensive Player EVER!!!!!!
@@JimBrave-ri1oc Wait Larry is the best defender ever? 😂
Quick correction Larry didn’t outrebound Moses in the 1981 Finals but he almost did, 15.3 vs 15.7. But that’s straight dominance from a 6’9” skinny below the rim rebounder like Larry. He dominated the glass which helped them win when he got cold from the field in games 3-4. Larry was the FMVP, glad Cornbread won but Larry is why they won not Cedric.
@@jubjubhenry5612 All the Pistons said Larry is a better defender than them. That is FACT. Rodman said Larry is a better defender than he was.
the Stats prove it.
10 Def Rebounds tied with Rodman
2 steals per game three times as many as Rodman
1 block per game twice as many as Rodman.
Stats prove it.
Duncan all day over Kobe for never alienating teammates or bringing down the team with, umm... off court distractions.
Kobe torched the Spurs/Duncan 4-2 in the playoffs stop it The Spurs were great in the 1990s w the Admiral and the Spurs won 60+ games and were a Zaza cheap shot from maybe winning a title after Duncan retired he was a cog in a great system
Bird was Absolutely killer ..he is my first Idol..Magic was show stopper had a better team build Around him..bird had to work double effort..Agree with you Bird is more a better Player than Magic slightly..
this is some excellent non-bias ranking
Tim literally has more accolades but jonny is a kobe fan
How can playoffs between Kobe and Duncan be a tie when Kobe is 4-2 vs Duncan in the playoffs? Shouldn’t that be the tie breaker?
a video on Dream Team 2 (94 FIBA Team) PLEASE
Barkley is crack up that efficiency bit made me laugh so hard
I agree on all of them except Kobe vs. Duncan. Duncan's accolades easily put him above Kobe.
That’s most likely because you didn’t watch Kobe play or don’t understand basketball. Duncan was consistent asf, but never hit the highs that Kobe did as a player. Nor shouldered the burdens Kobe had to, seeing that the spurs kept amazing players around Duncan.
Yep, Kobe was flashy and had a sick iso game. But Duncan put everything he had into making his team better as a whole, while being a monster by himself. If Kobe had a team mentality he probably wouldn’t have pushed Shaq out of LA and would have more rings. That blend of mamba mentality plus unselfish play is absolutely lethal, hence Jordan.
I think the gap between KB and TD defensively is quite bigger than you described honestly. Just a couple of facts: Duncan is 2nd all time in Defensive Win Shares behind only Bill Russell and 3rd all time in Defensive Rating, so we're talking about one of the really best defensive player ever (like top 5) .Other hand Kobe was a great defender for half of his career and average or less for the other half, i think he doesn't really come close to Duncan
Bro it’s easier for a center to play defense than it is for a guard or a wing to play defense. All a center has to do for the most part is be a help defender and guard the paint, Duncan wasn’t asked to chase players off the 3 point line or stop them from penetrating to the basket like Kobe and Jordan were. Why do you think most centers are still elite defenders late into their careers while wing players diminish defensively as they get older?
@@jaydot4956 I agree in part. Surely big men tend to age better and remain elite defenders more easily than guards/wings. However i think that even taking position into account, it's still very difficult to find big men as consistent as TD defensively for almost 20 years, as stats prove it. On the other hand, i don't think Kobe is as consistent carreer wise as other players who were guards (like MJ, Payton, Kidd, CP3, Stockthon, Tony Allen and others). Btw, it's just my opinion
@@jaydot4956 The Center ALSO has to BOX OUT and REBOUND you fkin donut.
@@davidef930 Kobe was an ok defender when he was young and athletic but only when he wanted to be. He didn't put in the hustle or effort on defense to ever average more than 2 steals per game and Where I grew up if a guard doesn't average 2 steal than they're not top 10 at defense. Just as Simple as that. Had Kobe put in effort he could've averaged 2.5 steals per game most seasons. but he didn't. Instead it was Duncan that was top 5 in Blocks every seasons around 2.5.
Perimeter & interior defense are polar opposites of each other. It's not even fair to compare them.
Kobe looks great in some advanced defensive metrics & average in others. He routinely took on tough perimeter assignments & seldomly hid defensively, while being a primary scoring option.
But overall I'd say Duncan is the better defender. Big men can control so much defensively because they're the last line of defense & control the boards.
Barkley was the top points per game in Dream Team 1 and Dream Team 3. He was better than people think he was.
the "no-all-star" stat about hakeem it's still buffling to me, One of the many reasons why he Is my GOAT center
@jonnyarnett u got it all right except the Duncan vs Kobe.... If Duncan demanded the ball as much as Kobe he would avg a much higher ppg which is the deciding factor for me
No he wouldn’t lol. Duncan was consistent asf, but never hit the highs that Kobe did. Only people who didn’t watch basketball back then would put Duncan over Kobe. The game is bigger than stat sheets lol. Jimmy butler just proved that by getting to the finals.
@@kobejordan0823 exactly why I said if he demanded the ball more he would avg more points u clearly wasn't watching the games just sports center highlights Timmy was always a stat sheet stuffer but all the way around the board not just scoring bro do ya homework
@@kobejordan0823 Duncan was putting up 25 a game with only 10 shots cause he played for a REAL TEAM and they used TEAM PASSING Duncan in the 99 Finals went off and averaged 27 ppg on 55% shooting with 13 rebounds and 3 blocks. This was a time when teams were scoring 80 points. Kobe never did that. Took a 80 point team to the Finals and then average 27 which is more than a 1/3rd of the points
each matchup is very awesome, but I'm a Bird fan, and even tho I'm biased being born and raised in the Terre Haute IN 812 area code, and a high school freshman when LARRY did his thing here, I gotta say the Magic/Larry comparo can go either way. Lakers got us by ONE in head to head titles, but the Association was so darn competitive in the 80's and the EAST was much stronger, It's clearly a story for the ages.
I think Larry & Magic are the TWIN G.O.A.T.'s and MJ is an easy 3rd but don't forget Bill Russell and WILT
without Larry and Magic, Michael would be a king of a crap league, and likely win 8 or 9 in a row instead of a repeat threepeat. 💩
Bird is better and I don't think it's as close as everyone keeps saying. Magic is the best facilitator of all time. But Larry was also inhuman in that regard as well as being a strong defender and elite scorer and the GOAT of clutch points.
The 79 Celtics were the 2nd worst team in the league. They didn't get McHale or parish. Just Bird. He was responsible for the largest single season turn around in NBA history.
Imagine if the Celtics had Kareem and Worthy and LA got parish and McHale. Do you think those teams would still be that close? I don't.
Great Video. Mcgrady was a great Defender when He wanted.
This comparison between Tim Dunan & Kobe Bryant was fasfinating & very well presented. You obvioysly had to make some nail splitting choices, & I think you were judicious all in all..
I agree, you couldn't find a more selfless & less ego driven player than Tim Duncan, who was an essential member of the most harmonious championship NBA team in living memory (the San Antonio Spurs--my personal favorites--of which he was a career long member).
By contrast, you can't find a more compelling player than Kobe Bryant, always loyal to his Los Angeles Lakers who he remained affiliated with, & loyal to, his entire nearly 20 year career.
I think you did well to play the comparison very close. In the end, I come down more or less as you do: my admiration for Tim Duncan as a selfless team player, concerned exclusively with acquiring championship rings for his Spurs, is unparalleled, in terms of a team player.
But I concur, on the other hand, that greatness lies on the side of Kobe Bryant. Statistics aside, Kobe's endless creativity in opening up scoring possibilities, whether from in the paint & close to the hoop, or outside in 3 point land, are totally inspiring & in the end, what basketball is all about. And his intensity, on both sides of the court, are awe inspiring.
I love those rwo players, both multiple NBA championship winners, & both of them great athletes.
In the end, to me, it's the heat that makes the crucial difference that I care about in the game. And whereas I love & respect what Tim Duncan brings to the game, I crave & live for what Kobe brings when he plays. There are few who are capable of bringing their A game practically every night. Kobe Bryant (like Earl the Pearl, Dr J, MJ & a few others) is among them.