The 3 versions of Wilt Chamberlain | Offensive Legends Ep. 1

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  • Was Wilt better when he scored less?! Or was he really at his best when he scored 50 points per game? Was his scoring ever "damaging?" Why did he change his style so much over the course of career? And in which of his many great seasons was he at his best on offense? This detailed analysis and film breakdown answer these questions with the most comprehensive available footage of Wilt Chamberlain in Philadelphia and San Francisco.
    This episode is part of the the second season of the "Greatest Peaks" series. Season 2 focuses on the legends of NBA offense, examining unique archetypes, controversial players and stylistic spearheads who have influenced the game over the years.
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  • @potats5916
    @potats5916 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1430

    is this hinting at a counter part "Defensive Legends" series? It would be so cool to see how defensive powerhouses have evolved

    • @DeeKAAM
      @DeeKAAM 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +79

      I’ve been waitin for this one fr gotta do prime Dwight Ben Dennis fasho

    • @jdapaul1351
      @jdapaul1351 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

      @@DeeKAAM Could include perimeter defenders like MJ, Payton, Smart.

    • @nierlluc4705
      @nierlluc4705 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      ​@@jdapaul1351Anthony Mason should lowkey be snuck in there too. Dude could reliably switch from guarding Shaq to Nick Van Exel. He's the main reason MJ hated playing against the Knicks in the 90's.

    • @hanktran1073
      @hanktran1073 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

      @@jdapaul1351blud snuck in smart

    • @trevmorin
      @trevmorin 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      Why not y'all mentioning the Arguably Defensive Goats in the likes of Hakeem and Tim Duncan

  • @MalikDiene
    @MalikDiene 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +376

    3:16. Thank you for indicating why Wilt couldn't play too physically on offense. Casual fans don't know this.

    • @kingjaydex7464
      @kingjaydex7464 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

      If he was able to play in the 90s he’d be the best big of all time. His defense is extremely underrated as well as his skill set. Put him in an era where he can best utilize his physical gifts it’s hard for me to see anyone dominating more than him

    • @TheIcemanthomas
      @TheIcemanthomas 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

      @@kingjaydex7464see this is the hyperbole that messes up wilt in conversations.

    • @kingjaydex7464
      @kingjaydex7464 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +56

      @@TheIcemanthomasow is it hyperbole? He’s 7’1 (allegedly 7’3 which seems more believable in pictures) with a 40-45 inch vert, Shaq like strength, the speed of a wing, and he had a refined post game with good passing chops.
      Defensively nobody would’ve scored on him and he’d likely be the best rebounder of all time if not top 3. He’s already giving you all time great impact defensively and his offense in the 90s would be Prime Shaq like. That 2 way impact would put him top 3 all time at worst

    • @david.tousignant20
      @david.tousignant20 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Fans in general has zero clue about past rules... Even when discussing the 1990s basketball.

    • @TheIcemanthomas
      @TheIcemanthomas 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@kingjaydex7464 nothing u said means anything in terms of what he would be able to produce on a basketball court. This isn’t track and field. His physical measurables are great but they don’t mean u can predict how great he would be in another. Not to say he wouldn’t be great, but y’all have to stop with this notion that he’d be far and away the best based on things that have nothing to do with basketball and the way it is played across eras. Hypotheticals can’t be proven and have zero basis besides what u think and not what u actually know would happen.

  • @jooyichen
    @jooyichen 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +529

    What is so underrated in Wilt's game is that he is the father of fadeaways. Sad that he was mostly remembered as someone closely resembling Shaq.

    • @TheIcemanthomas
      @TheIcemanthomas 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      That is not the most underrated part of wilts game

    • @bobosmrade1950
      @bobosmrade1950 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +128

      He wasnt allowed to play like Shaq, if you lowered your shoulder in a defender it's an offensive foul.

    • @jooyichen
      @jooyichen 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@TheIcemanthomas What evidence would change your mind?

    • @jojoprocess2820
      @jojoprocess2820 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +77

      Seriously people have no idea wilt played absolutely nothing like shaq. They just hear the (mostly fake) stories about his athleticism and physical traits and assume he was just a bruising big

    • @TheIcemanthomas
      @TheIcemanthomas 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      @@jooyichenthere really isn’t any evidence needed for that. I just think his defense and passing are the things that don’t get talked about as much. Most of his highlights showcase his fades and finger rolls

  • @x0x0skiller2
    @x0x0skiller2 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +285

    Yes another series is exactly what we need. I still watch greatest peaks episodes on a damn near weekly basis.

  • @Davivd2
    @Davivd2 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +116

    I liked the attention brought to Hal Greer. That guy has been all but forgotten and he had some real game. People need to put some respect on his name.

    • @BoosterGoldEarth6
      @BoosterGoldEarth6 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Did he really bring attention to hal Greer?

    • @dusk6159
      @dusk6159 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Greer and Cunningham were offensive killers for the 76ers, lethal during their title contention years

    • @Smoothyoki
      @Smoothyoki 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@BoosterGoldEarth6yes he did unless you watched this video with ear muffs on

    • @aarondigby5054
      @aarondigby5054 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@Smoothyoki Hal Greer, Chet Walker and Billy Cunningham along with wilt they won the most regular season games 69-13 and broke the stranglehold Boston had on title runs

    • @richardkatz8713
      @richardkatz8713 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      As a child I was fortunate enough to see how Greer and Wilt play. I'll never forget how Hal Greer would drive to the corner like it was a layup and shoot, which would now be a three,with a high percentage.

  • @MiamiBeach23
    @MiamiBeach23 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +317

    Hope this series is as successful as the Greatest Peaks series!

    • @heavylobster4339
      @heavylobster4339 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Personally I can't wait for the Jokic and Giannis Greatest Peaks.

    • @next_up...
      @next_up... 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@heavylobster4339Giannis ain't an all time great offensive player

    • @AlexBrown-xp7mt
      @AlexBrown-xp7mt 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@next_up... no, but he does have an all time peak for sure

    • @adama2292
      @adama2292 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@AlexBrown-xp7mtthis isn't what that series is about

    • @Anthonydu01630
      @Anthonydu01630 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@heavylobster4339Yes ! But i think these episodes will only come out in like 2-3 years MINIMUM because they are only 28, they are in the middle of their prime … And i think Kawhi could also have an episode because it’s only the best peak not best career and his peak was higher than Kobe for exemple. Embiid could also have an episode, monster regular season player, most points per minutes of all time, if he just get 1 chip or 2-3 deep playoffs run were he is as dominant as he is in the regular season he could have an episode .

  • @nightlightb6549
    @nightlightb6549 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +332

    Digging the idea of this series, can’t wait for an eventual episode on Kd hopefully.

    • @marco5030
      @marco5030 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +64

      I don't think he's going to double-dip on players he already did in Greatest Peaks. I strongly suspect it'll be players like Nash, Dirk, Wade and Penny (he's alluded to making videos about some of them) - not quite good enough to make the first series, but all-time offensive weapons

    • @roccocoffman9608
      @roccocoffman9608 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@marco5030I hope he does go over players twice and does a offensive and defensive list

    • @quackmemes5410
      @quackmemes5410 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      Hope he does harden

    • @mrtesticles889
      @mrtesticles889 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@roccocoffman9608yeah, it would be stupid to not make videos on Magic, Steph, MJ etc. if it’s a series about offensive legends. A jokic video is probably in the works too

    • @papadoc331
      @papadoc331 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It will def be like dirk and nash and others who never got a greatest peaks

  • @coledorillo6685
    @coledorillo6685 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +54

    Theres so much legend behind wilt's absurd box score but no one uses the context of the era and the teams he played in. Thats' why this channel is my favourite, always trying to put an unbiased viewpoint and find the truth

    • @t4d0W
      @t4d0W 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Not just that but correlating/debunking what people took from the box score and put it by the eye test based on what film existed. And ultimately tying in concepts that do make sense. Like having a non-versatile offense generated from one player definitely needed more playmaking to offset their non efficient output to create a true team winning gameplan.

    • @nonamewillbegiven6847
      @nonamewillbegiven6847 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There is no truth and theres much bias on this channel. You're just too much of a modern m0r0n to see that

    • @nonamewillbegiven6847
      @nonamewillbegiven6847 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@t4d0W another m0r0n

  • @EHeroClayman
    @EHeroClayman 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    One of the things that amazes me about Wilt was even though his post moves were a handful, the ones he did were effective for him. That fadeaway always is a sight to see. Can't wait for the rest of the offensive legends.

    • @lukekiefer5964
      @lukekiefer5964 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It’s similar to Giannis or Shaq, in that they were so unstoppable at a few moves there was no reason to do anything else. Giannis however, unlike Shaq has a similar ability to Wilt to go up and over a guy and roll the ball in over the basket, although Giannis does it on the move.

  • @marco5030
    @marco5030 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

    Thinking Basketball spoke about a Penny Hardaway video coming, almost two years ago! I think he also has talked about doing one on Nash - and referred to Wade and Dirk as his two closest cuts for the Greatest Peaks series! Hopefully we get to see most, if not all of these guys!

    • @waff6ix
      @waff6ix 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      WADE & DIRK WOULD BE BANGER VIDEOS💯😮‍💨

    • @Pyrovile42
      @Pyrovile42 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I believe he said that he thinks Penny Hardaway is one of the 20 greatest offensive players ever so there is a chance he gets featured in this series

    • @tridra5714
      @tridra5714 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Giannis deserves a greatest peaks

    • @liambailey1239
      @liambailey1239 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      from the intro looks like Reggie and Manu are also getting a video

    • @kingjaydex7464
      @kingjaydex7464 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tridra5714 no he doesn’t

  • @jerikho04
    @jerikho04 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    From what I've seen from Wilt's footage, highlights, etc., he was a finesse and highly skilled player rather than just an overwhelming physical presence. These fadeaways and finger rolls are sweet ⭐

  • @leonhardable
    @leonhardable 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I think this is the most comprehensive WIlt Chamberlain video i have ever seen.
    Holy shit sooooo much footage :O

  • @papakimchitv674
    @papakimchitv674 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +111

    The offensive foul thing somehow could've held back Wilt. Had he been allowed to be aggressive in the paint like Shaq did, no one would ever defeat him.

    • @AntiNeoFascist
      @AntiNeoFascist 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      He could still get beat. But he also was a fairly gentle guy most of the time. There are stories from multiple players who played with and against him who tell of someone going up to block some dunk of Wilt's and rather than throw it down as hard as he could, they'd describe how he let up and went soft because he knew he could break their arm, and the board, he if tried.

    • @airgordo4
      @airgordo4 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Some give and take here as well though. Defenders couldn’t really body him up and make contact like they could when guarding Shaq either. Part of why it was so hard to officiate Shaq because you could literally call a foul almost every trip up the floor, whether it was offensive or defensive.

    • @MovieGuy666
      @MovieGuy666 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      So a less nice version of Wilt using his full strength with looser rules could dunk his way to 100 points every night?

    • @MovieGuy666
      @MovieGuy666 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@airgordo4 no defenders were big enough to body Shaq.

    • @locdogg86
      @locdogg86 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      he didn't need to play like that. Did u not see the offensive interference put backs where he got a large portion of his points?

  • @juliangarcia1221
    @juliangarcia1221 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    Yes he was I think the best version of Wilt was in 66-67 when he was on the Sixers as great as those 40+ points per game seasons with the Warriors were I don't just look at scoring Wilt averaged 24.1 points despite having other scorers on his team like Hal Greer Chet Walker and Billy Cunningham he still averaged 20+ rebounds 24.2 to be exact and 7.8 assists which is the most impressive part about that season cuz during those days the point guard usually facilitated the offense not the big man and if blocks were counted back then I would say he averaged around 9 or 10 blocks
    Oh and because he had a great supporting cast and he was a great passer you couldn't double team Wilt cuz if you doubled Wilt he's finding a cutter to the basket or a wide open shooter

    • @aarondigby5054
      @aarondigby5054 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wilt had so many quadruple and quintuple doubles. Be glad they weren't keeping all those stats because he'd pad the Stat sheet every night

    • @JohnnyRodgers3
      @JohnnyRodgers3 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He didn't like playing like that ​@@aarondigby5054

  • @samantharay6098
    @samantharay6098 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You underrated Wilt keeping him out of your greatest peaks series and using him as a foil to make Russell's case.

  • @ollie1178
    @ollie1178 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    My Goat. With proper coaching earlier in his career and some more playoff teammate help he’d be almost universally undisputed.

    • @88949597
      @88949597 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      He was almost drafted by Auerbach & the Celtics (who already had Russell).
      They were initially friendly with another, but Red found him to be "a headache" to coach, because a young Wilt didn't get why he'd pass when he was unstoppable with the ball?
      imagine Russell & Chamberlain in the front court together?
      Game over.

    • @TheMissinLink
      @TheMissinLink 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@88949597they legitimately might have never lost a game, outside of an absolute heater from an opponent. But even then there was no three point shot, making this tougher.

  • @DrJohnnyJ
    @DrJohnnyJ 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Wilt never did squats. His legs, especially his calves, were toothpicks. When he weighed 240, that worked. When he weighed over 300, it was like carrying a 60 pound backpack. He lost his agility. However, he got a lot smarter. His last season, he set at least one screen far away from the basket on every play (I had season tickets and watched away games on TV). He really learned to play offense without the ball.

    • @SuperKnight-uj2vx
      @SuperKnight-uj2vx 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      People be saying anything, His legs were extremely strong.

    • @phillipschuman4307
      @phillipschuman4307 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      When was he ever supposedly 240? In high school?
      The basketball-reference page for his rookie year, '59-'60, lists him at 275. (I seem to remember 265 was his rookie weight, but I am not sure.) When I saw him in person vs. Portland in the early '70s (so there was no camera 'adding pounds' interfering with judging his physique ), he was not at all thin in his legs. He was very well proportioned (including an upper body that looked like a middle linebacker), and not like a thin stilt I was expecting.
      If he had smallish calves, he had those for his entire career, and still had ups enough playing over 300 vs young Lew Alcindor to block two sky hooks straight up (on one Bucks' possession).

    • @MistaTofMaine
      @MistaTofMaine 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Interesting thought, I mean he had to have strong legs to jump that high and he was a track and field star and also volley ball star later in life so I think he always had strong legs. Not sure he ever weighed 240 though I'd say at least 20 pounds heavier at his highest.

  • @BF3lol
    @BF3lol 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Greatest peaks is my favorite series on TH-cam. This feels like Christmas. I am literally crying tears of joy. I would miss my sons football game to watch this series.

  • @70sfan
    @70sfan 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Thank you for the mention, I am happy I could provide even an insignificant value for the creation of this video!

    • @cesarquint256
      @cesarquint256 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You are amazing , I have been watching ur clips since years ago, super cool to see ur involvement.

    • @70sfan
      @70sfan 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@cesarquint256 Thank you, I really appreciate that comment.

  • @thehaus6998
    @thehaus6998 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    ngl goliath made me cry a bit at the end, amazing show, and good video about his offensive effect, I think people see him too much as a ball hogger, when at times he relied on his teamates and they let him down, and he was still averaging more assists then like shaq, and no one arguibly critisizes shaq

  • @supersammich344
    @supersammich344 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +84

    Ooh yes. Another excellent series by Thinking Basketball. I love these deep dives into different players. I can't wait for the inevitable episode on Steve Nash (fingers crossed).

    • @xwiay3067
      @xwiay3067 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Me too

    • @jamalwalker
      @jamalwalker 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Dirk First people don't give him any respect. There are people who deadass think K.A.T is better

    • @aidanparrott1810
      @aidanparrott1810 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      He loves Steve nash, he will be here

  • @henryzhao4622
    @henryzhao4622 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Yes, we like these deep dives a lot better than the day to day single game analysis where we try to make a narrative out of something that is so short term and therefore almost solely a result of natural variation

  • @ben8629
    @ben8629 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Great insights into Wilt. He lacks the fluidity of hakeem or the brute force of shaq, but you can see with his skill set how we have ended where we are now.
    It's been an evolution over time, and calling these guys plumbers is incredibly disrespectful. These titans deserve better.
    Also, if the modern NBA is so great, why are they still using plays invented in the 60s.

    • @88949597
      @88949597 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Agreed 100%. I also wonder if the players are more evolved and superior today; then how come no one can play a full game anymore? Much less a full season?
      Wilt can play 48 minutes am entire season and never leave, getting beat up, playing in Chuck Taylor's and no gear or tech to aid him - but guys today who have specially designed shoes & medical staffs, trainers, nutritionists, and spend millions in their body need "load management" because they played 2 straight days? 🤔

    • @CleverAccountName303
      @CleverAccountName303 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He couldn't use the brute force techniques of Shaq because they weren't allowed. He definitely was capable

    • @moogerchee2287
      @moogerchee2287 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      like what? the 60s had literally no skillsets from this modern era. The 60s nba was boring as shit and all the players were shit

  • @madara792
    @madara792 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I know this is a Wilt video but this video made me a Hal Greer fan lol Seems like his game was ahead of his time

  • @dillmo28
    @dillmo28 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Wilt was a pretty good ballhandler for his size, carrying was still a violation in the 60s. look at him with the Globetrotters where he was allowed to dribble like modern players

    • @jonjuko8859
      @jonjuko8859 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      He’s a non ball handler by modern standards

    • @t4d0W
      @t4d0W 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not really. Especially with his inability to put the ball on the floor and blend playmaking with his shot making. And he's not gonna try put the ball on the floor in traffic either. Which is why his moves are pretty decisive but safe around 5 to 10 ft around the rim. The advantage is he's bigger than anyone so he's getting that offensive rebound and the putback.

  • @MrPlow-jc4cr
    @MrPlow-jc4cr 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    After a brutal cut from the Greatest Peaks series, Ben finally found a reason to do an video essay about Reggie Miller

  • @__j20
    @__j20 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Would like to see more videos about players from this era. West, Barry, russell etc

  • @thebxsavage
    @thebxsavage 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    More than anyone in NBA history, I would want to see Wilt in the modern game with new shoes and training.
    I don’t think there’s a soul in the NBA who could stop him if he played today.

    • @blackjacktrial
      @blackjacktrial 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think Jokic Embiid is modern day Wilt/Russell.
      Jokic might be the quieter centre with less explosive athleticism, but he makes his teammates better like Bill. Embiid is the statistical marvel who has all the natural physical tools to be a Wilt stand in.
      So the question would be - would modern Wilt/Ewing (Embiid) be the better counter, or a more selfless centre like Jokic defeat Wilt by playing 5v1.
      I considered Gobert, but I think Wilt can playmake if he needs to, or power through up top.
      And no, the mini centres won't stop him, and they can't really run him out of the court, because Wilt is kind of an ideal small ball/run and gun 5, who would fit disgustingly on a modern Warriors/Harden Rockets team.
      I still prefer Jokic over Embiid here, but it's a pick your poison situation.

    • @MindfulAttraction2.0
      @MindfulAttraction2.0 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​@@blackjacktrialnah. Russell was different to jokic. It's jokic that's more like 67 wilt

    • @jackbombay1423
      @jackbombay1423 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@blackjacktrial That must the worst double comparison ever. Bill was no where near Jokic offensive arsenal and Jokic has nothing of the deffensive prowess that Russell had. And please, Embiid can´t rebound pass or read the game as Wilt did (not to mention his lack of availability)... and Wilt never profited FT as Embiid does.

    • @bobomaigret5430
      @bobomaigret5430 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Prime Wilt was the fastest and strongest player on the court, and possessed the most endurance. Led the league in points, rebounds, blocks. Nobody close then. Nobody wd be close now.

    • @thebxsavage
      @thebxsavage 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@bobomaigret5430 100% Agreed

  • @walkercatenaccio
    @walkercatenaccio 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    This is one of the best analytic videos I know, on any topic. I watched Wilt for all those years, and he was indeed stiff and clunky, and repetitious. It's also true that the rules as enforced back then wouldn't allow him to use power moves underneath, a la Shaq. Overall, the very best players of the early sixties were nearly as good as the best players now in many areas of the game (think "Jerry West"), but the game as a whole wasn't as fluid, partly because of the weaker outside shooting and, to some extent, because of the less creative ball handling (carry, anyone?).

  • @thegreatkeljb
    @thegreatkeljb 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    14:55 yeah Wilt had trouble scoring because they double him. But the League can also change the rules so defenders can't leave their man like they did for Jordan to succeed. Just like Wilt said, "They change the rules for Jordan to dominate, they change the rules for Wilt to slow down". I think these changes should be mentioned in this series as this is a huge factor why players dominate offensively. It's unfair to just compare numbers out of context.

    • @jasonvargas4798
      @jasonvargas4798 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It wasnt that they couldnt leave their man. Plenty of teams doubled Jordan. But the difference is they couldnt rush back to their man. Jordan faced a lot of similar defense and he didnt have the defensive 3 second. The only rule I would say that helped him was the goltending, as that hurt bigs a bit down low.

  • @emmanuelmoses7249
    @emmanuelmoses7249 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

    I love how you pointed out the league rules at the time, prohibiting Wilt from just bullying everyone under the basket every single play.
    If he was allowed to do that, he would've averaged many more points. I'd say Wilt is more underrated than anything.

    • @chrisstfort7
      @chrisstfort7 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Wilt also had the benefit of offensive interference so it’s a wash.

    • @chrisstfort7
      @chrisstfort7 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@mkbzam That’s my mistake then I thought in the video they said he benefitted from it.

    • @chrisstfort7
      @chrisstfort7 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mkbzam I’ll do some research as well

    • @locdogg86
      @locdogg86 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mkbzam no hes doing it in the video.

    • @emmanuelmoses7249
      @emmanuelmoses7249 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@chrisstfort7 Yeah but he didn't do that every single play..But if he was allowed to, he easily could've moved everyone under the basket and just dunked on them every single play until they triple teamed him.
      The only reason Bill Russell even stood a chance vs Wilt Chamberlain is because Wilt couldn't use his crazy strength and size to just move the much smaller Bill

  • @peterhuang780
    @peterhuang780 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Our favorite historical basketball analysis series is BACK! On a side note, it would be fascinating to see Wilt playing in today's NBA, with modern training regimen, modern tactical thinking, and modern rule sets. He's just so freakishly built that I think if he grows up in a modern basketball environment, he could be a peak AD type of defensive player, and a Giannis type of offensive player, plus the potential in play-making.

    • @aarondigby5054
      @aarondigby5054 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It don't get no better than "the Dipper"

  • @kronmeicrumbs
    @kronmeicrumbs 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Babe wake up. New Thinking Basketball series

  • @henryortiz053
    @henryortiz053 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    This is great. Just today I was hoping you’d cover more pre-1977 stars.

  • @SoulSearcherr
    @SoulSearcherr 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The Greatest Peaks was one of my favorite basketball videos ever so I'm very excited for this.

  • @jeanpabloalbino7618
    @jeanpabloalbino7618 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    LMAO 20:00 "he's quick to reset to Greer here and let him go to work" *airballs* HAHAHHAHAHAA

  • @lukaslambs5780
    @lukaslambs5780 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    I’m so excited for this series! I think there’s so much context that stats will never capture. But in terms of “the eye test” Wilt is about as good as they come.

  • @RafaelCK08
    @RafaelCK08 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Man, seeing Ginobili here is just amazing. Can't wait to see his video.

  • @djr_93276
    @djr_93276 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    was rewatching greatest peaks and then I saw this was released - super excited for the rest of the series (and maybe one day a Defensive Legends series!)

  • @MindfulAttraction2.0
    @MindfulAttraction2.0 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    After you trashed him during the bill Russell and wilt segment, I'm happy you finally made an individual video of him

  • @gerarda8926
    @gerarda8926 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    This series is gonna be good! Happy that you’re doing something like this again.

  • @scottwinn5043
    @scottwinn5043 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Seeing the title and then seeing Episode 1 made me very giddy. This channel is amazing.

  • @cuernimus
    @cuernimus 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    I don't think Wilt was necessarily better when he scored less, but his teams certainly were. Having one of the best rebounders of all time shooting fade away jumpers out of a paint stuffed full of defenders is just really inefficient offense. The best comparison I can think of is David Robinson, he wasn't better after they got Tim Duncan, but his team could much better exploit his size and athleticism when he wasn't also expected to carry the offense. There are a lot of things that also improve the game outcomes that don't show up in the stats. For instance, Wilt boxes out Bill and neither of them get the rebound, instead of Bill picking up an easy board if Wilt has to take a shot. Basically, if you force your big to carry the offense, you lose a lot of the reason you have bigs on your team in the first place.

    • @homohabilis9413
      @homohabilis9413 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Didn’t apply to Shaq. Shaq>Wilt

    • @CleverAccountName303
      @CleverAccountName303 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      ​@@homohabilis9413when was Shaq shooting fadeaways?

    • @t4d0W
      @t4d0W 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      @@homohabilis9413 disagree. Shaq could play and dominate the way he did because his teams' gameplan was to slow down the pace and make it a game of attrition. You need a platoon of versatile defensive guys to help Shaq out on defense at the perimeter. As well as a dynamic scoring wing to kick out as a passing threat. By the 2nd half Shaq has tired out the opposing teams bigs and guys who had to body him up and were working with potentially high foul counts. That gave the wing players a green light to attack them at the basket.

    • @antipro4483
      @antipro4483 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      His early teammates were good too. He just didnt let them be their best version by demanding more attention then his teammates

    • @CleverAccountName303
      @CleverAccountName303 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@t4d0W The biggest difference was Shaq played when it was the peak for physical contact allowed, which was a massive advantage for Shaq. Wilt played when it was at its lowest level allowed, almost no contact.

  • @Bewolfedchicken
    @Bewolfedchicken 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I CANT WAIT FOR THIS SERIES!! I wasn’t around for the greatest peaks so I’m super excited for a new one. You guys have the best analysis of any channel by far so I can’t wait for this! Much love from the UK

  • @LommeMann1
    @LommeMann1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I got so hyped when I saw this video in my feed. I’m looking forward to all of the next episodes!

  • @civilwarwasaninsidejob7405
    @civilwarwasaninsidejob7405 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cool to see this video put out! This was one of the first chapters in the 'Thinking Basketball' book I read a few years back. Worth the read for anyone who enjoys analytical readings.

  • @MrEazyze
    @MrEazyze 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Great work on the wilt documentary Ben!!! You truly are a legend to diehards of the sport of basketball. I've learned a lot from you, and it was cool to see you on a showtime documentary!!

    • @BoosterGoldEarth6
      @BoosterGoldEarth6 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If he a legend then you have very low standards.

  • @md.221
    @md.221 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Always enjoy your videos, still re watch greatest peaks weekly. Love this new idea

  • @Katsos44
    @Katsos44 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Oh god I’ve been waiting for this for a while. Congrats Ben keep up the quality content

  • @michaelcohen6710
    @michaelcohen6710 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I would love if we could see him play in the modern era.

  • @houssamk777
    @houssamk777 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Great video mate, looking forward for the documentary 👍

  • @thahoopstrategist
    @thahoopstrategist 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thanks for this. Wilt was amazing. Can't wait to see more.

  • @zachnguyen6587
    @zachnguyen6587 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Excited for another historically-oriented series. Enjoy your work

  • @soulslayer434
    @soulslayer434 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Any future videos on Oscar Robertson or Jerry West? I know little about them. Most talk about Bill and Wilt but dont hear much about others around their generation.

  • @nrikedesign
    @nrikedesign 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I just watched the intro and I already know this new series is going to be amazing

  • @hongkids3814
    @hongkids3814 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love the idea of this series, keep up the good work!

  • @123mgu
    @123mgu 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Wilt was much improved shooting underhanded in his one season doing so.

  • @cesarquint256
    @cesarquint256 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This video solidify it for me this channel is the greatest gift to nba history, and honestly it’s not close, it feels likes it’s a debt long ago Created and thinking basketball it’s paying it off for good, I was so amazed at some clips and exposition that even tho I have already watched hours of wilt, I learned a lot about the era and wilt development that I haven’t notice, amazing video.

  • @terch2882
    @terch2882 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Hell yea new series! Crossing my fingers for a Steve Nash episode!

    • @tj116Hkiss
      @tj116Hkiss 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I've been waiting years for a Steve Nash video. Hope we finally get it!

    • @Abbad1579
      @Abbad1579 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He's definitely getting one.

    • @jamalwalker
      @jamalwalker 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Dirk, Wade, Oscar Robertson all need ep

  • @seanbell69
    @seanbell69 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I have never been so hyped for NBA content in the middle of the off season! Let's go!

  • @RunOnSFC
    @RunOnSFC 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I need this kind of series, love u ben for this content❤

  • @brientolson2607
    @brientolson2607 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Remember to pace yourself during this series! I know you struggled with burnout last time you did a series like this, so take your time. You got this, and I’m hype for the series!

  • @gj7914
    @gj7914 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    yeeeeessssss! This is my favorite series y'all do!

  • @greatprime8507
    @greatprime8507 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm looking forward to this series 🙌🏻

  • @aramfingal
    @aramfingal 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dude. This is a great vid! Looking forward to binging all your stuff while im stuck in bed with COVID. 😅

  • @mikeyshanghai9801
    @mikeyshanghai9801 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    The reality was that Wilt was way too good. On his team, he would be by far the best scorer, the best rebounder, the best passer and the best blocker. That’s absolutely insane to conceive these days. However, basketball is a 5-men team sports, so the other four players on the court also need to usefully contribute. Now it’s easy to understand, what did Wilt need to do to get the best out of the other four players on the court? Given the talents of the other players on the court, he needed to shoot less, pass more and keep rebounding and blocking!

    • @davidsneen
      @davidsneen 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      How would a mere human guard Wilt?

    • @RLSmith-jt8qj
      @RLSmith-jt8qj 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      so in other words. he needed to play like bill russell

    • @mikeyshanghai9801
      @mikeyshanghai9801 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@RLSmith-jt8qj Basically yes, because the rules at the time did not allow Wilt to play like Shaq (ie using his body and strength to bulldoze over people inside the paint for an easy slam). So if you watch Wilt’s footage, he actually played with skills and finesse (eg turnaround jumpers, bank shots and finger rolls, etc) - very different from the style that Shaq played. So despite the unbelievable level of dominance Wilt has achieved in any case, he could have absolutely destroyed the league by winning chips every single year for his team, if he was actually allowed to use his body and strength and adopt a play style like Shaq’s. That being the case, he didn’t need to share the ball with his team, everyone else on his team could just watch him play as their job would simply be to bring the ball across the court and pass it to Wilt.

  • @nickoftime602
    @nickoftime602 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Hell yeah, new Thinking Basketball series

  • @zogood3495
    @zogood3495 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I see why efficiency was lower back then there was literally zero spacing and the lane was clogged consistently.

  • @MEGATR000N
    @MEGATR000N 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    congratulations on getting into the show you deserve it !

  • @simonraybart
    @simonraybart 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    woohoo, can't wait for this series!

  • @Studentofthegame3
    @Studentofthegame3 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So glad this series came back. I want a top 10 but playoffs and no one on the regular season list for more content

  • @DangerousPython
    @DangerousPython 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Begging for T-Mac episode. So excited for another one of these series

  • @KleinpeterHank
    @KleinpeterHank 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was rewatching greatest peaks yesterday. Perfect timing.

  • @MCJdiz
    @MCJdiz 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Oh *hell* yea!!! Love the vids/ pod TB!!!

  • @RuRu2041
    @RuRu2041 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    U are the best Ben, as always.

  • @des8893
    @des8893 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    14:25 where the teammate claps his hands in frustration. I love how Ben notices and includes these reactions in his breakdowns. It really adds a human element.

  • @thelastairdoctor
    @thelastairdoctor 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This series is gonna be amazing

  • @flawlessmsc
    @flawlessmsc 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Crazy there's video on TH-cam that analyzing 60s NBA this deep. Inspiring channel

  • @WJBuzzard
    @WJBuzzard 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    YES THIS SERIES IS GONNA BE AMAZING

  • @robertc2214
    @robertc2214 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You earned your inclusion with those legends based upon your astute and insightful perspective on the game we all love. Bravo.

  • @ethanrobinson9475
    @ethanrobinson9475 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Can't wait to watch this video!

  • @belunwosu9877
    @belunwosu9877 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Been waiting for this

  • @waff6ix
    @waff6ix 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    CAN U PLZ PLZ DO A VIDEO ON JERRY WEST🙏🏾🙏🏾1 OF THE MOST UNDERRATED OF ALL TIME IMO😮‍💨

  • @direwolf7080
    @direwolf7080 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Your content is just so goddamn good every single time.

  • @GrantRossow
    @GrantRossow 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was my favorite part of your book. More scoring does not always equal better offense.

  • @BringBackStoning
    @BringBackStoning 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 NEW SERIES HELL YEAH!!!

  • @topfloorbabe
    @topfloorbabe 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    this channel always produces amazing content.

  • @scottjohnson315
    @scottjohnson315 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Vids on past greats makes the off-season much better 👍👍

  • @tomasbirutis1440
    @tomasbirutis1440 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Letssss goo another greatest peaks 🙏

  • @jordifresh11
    @jordifresh11 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Congratulations @thinking basketball. I feel like your "Greatest Peak" series sparked a new wave of basketball debates and interests. Cant wait to see what's next!!

    • @TheMissinLink
      @TheMissinLink 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      had never seen the phrase “best peak” “greatest peak” until that series. I now see it not only in basketball discussion, but other sports as well.

  • @malachistewart2947
    @malachistewart2947 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Let's goooo new series!!!!

  • @TheBroseAm
    @TheBroseAm 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So excited for this!!!

  • @pensarebasketball
    @pensarebasketball 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    We need this right now. Amazing.

  • @braidedgiant239
    @braidedgiant239 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love this content. Keep going

  • @jingqi9106
    @jingqi9106 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    When Wilt played with Philly from '65-68, Wilt had higher quality teammates and at one point had Greer, Walker, Jackson, Wali Jones, and Billy Cunningham. In those years, Wilt's assist numbers went up from about 4 a game to 8+ a game. it's interesting to hear Wilt's easier teammate and HOF coach Al Attles say his earlier teams needed Wilt to score big and even encouraged Wilt to do so.

    • @williepep-fy7qm
      @williepep-fy7qm 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @jingqi9106 no they did not, Wilt was the one who sulked and cried for more shots until the playoffs came. Thats why his average dropped 15+ points in 1962 playoffs and the series still goes 7 games

  • @djdrake111
    @djdrake111 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes yes Notigang 🎉
    I been waiting for this series back oh my god” I use to pray fa times like this times like dat “ 😅

  • @kumayasei
    @kumayasei 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If the intro hints at future players, like Manu and Nash, I can't wait

  • @waltermitchell2432
    @waltermitchell2432 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is going to be another great series

  • @kevinsavo718
    @kevinsavo718 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    those cleaned up videos of Wilt are awesome!

  • @alexortiz5966
    @alexortiz5966 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Congratulations on being in such a big time documentary🔥🔥