I just grabbed one! This video allowed me to make my final decision so thanks my friend. Btw love the channel alot it's my favorite rc crawler channel.
I'm running a Tekin T45 with a 1080 and mine will hold strong , and at a lower drag brake I can give my throttle a touch and it will hold until I touch throttle and roll into it. I will say I think this Tekin is doing alot of the work . So smooth and quite . And lots of torque as far as my testing has gone
@@ExocagedRC Well, time will tell, i ordered it after watching some reviews and because well, it´s quite, runs really smooth and easy to work with and thank´s to this really annoying high pitch sound my either stock motor or esc emitts(trx4), cant go near it with a camera and film closeups.. There are always waterproof fans you can install? Have you tried any of those?
Fusion is the bomb. It performs better than any crawling motor. On cruise control it will keep the same forward speed no matter what you put in front of it and it is dead silent.
Very cool , I'm going to grab one from my local hobby shop as we have been lucky to get them in Australia already. But I'm of the same opinion and would much prefer 2300kv like my axe system... But willing to give one a go in in my umg10 that I've still to finish.. Thanks for the run footage. Cheers mate 👍
Oh man this is a game changer for space and weight. I'm getting this unit for my Element crawler. Will be doing some tests on this powerplant. Looking forward to your thoughts and reviews.
Sweet,, I'm currently running dual ESC, in my EnDuro SenDero, one in the rear for a servo winch XL5,, Thanks TO THE NEW MOTOR,,, , Now , I can eliminate one, and , move the REAR ONE,, where ever,,, 💯👍
Hobby wing has upped the game with this system, and of course your review is Awesome as only you do 💯 I Appreciate Your Great Channel and is always a Pleasure to watch your videos Brother ✌️😎👍 Having Fun Laughing Playing and RCing 🌟 RCF4L 😷 Stay Safe My Friend
Ya know... you could just jump up to a 16T and get that little bit of wheel speed your missing. If anything, it'll help smooth out the FOC. Dial in about 45:45 exponential. It'll be butta! I'm running a 19/56 on my 1800 in my wraith on portals, and it's perfect!
Not really a fan of gearing up on a crawler. You have a fast ratio but you also have about 7-1 gearing in those portals. Big difference. Larger pinions reduce the low end control and also reduce the effective drag brake, this fusion as I’ve show on a trx with 2-speed in 2nd gear the drag brake doesn’t hold due to fast gearing. Not saying a tooth or two would hurt anything, but the majority of my factor vehicles are stock ratios or geared down some.
Try it with a 19-21 tooth pinion, it should still have good low speed but with more wheel speed. I ran a 21 on my Gen8 with AXE 550 3300kv and great low speed control and never a torque or heat issue. I run a 19 on my Axial with the AXE 540 2300. Same result.
@@ExocagedRC I have not found a pinion big enough yet that these AXE motors couldn't handle with ease. Since the AXE has such good low speed control and a hill brake that works so well, you don't need the small pinions to make the truck hold a hill or to get low speed control.
Did you not run a bec with that an if so how cause I dont know how many but that 555 has to be putting out some amps an the fusion is a constant 4A correct 🤔
I currently have hw1800kv on my axial scx 10 iii gladiator and i'm thinking to upgrade to 2800 ... i wonder which one is better between both 1800 and 2800 in term of torque.. any advise?
Hey Joe been running droop suspension you've inspired me to rip the springs off and go full droop can I get a little advice on what shock oil you're running
In this one the shocks have the stock oil, I've read I need to go thick like 60-70wt. I really don't like full droop for the way I drive, I have now put on some Axial Purple springs for the Capra and from what I can see on the table I am going to like this a lot more. About .25" compression on front and .5" compression on rear.
@@ExocagedRC Ye, Im not a fan of running spring less & light wt oil!! I generally run all my trucks with 600/700 cst or Losi 60-70 wt, then I tune the front end at roughly 3/4ths droop & the rear end 50/60% droop. run it like that you'll never go back, those shocks stay planted on the rocks there no bouncing all over the place, just smooth slow motion like articulation that keeps you planted!!👍🏼
omg.. I remember that, The Fart Heard Around the World. I'm still holding off on a purchase of this motor, seen enough vids now to believe it is reliable and suitable, wanting for a higher kv though - like 2300 to 2700kv. Could see it working well though in a 2 speed TRX-4 rig, slow crawl and faster than you care to be running on a trail.
So I'm building a superlight trx4 sport the esc is stock an starting to get to hot on me i was gonna go with a 1080 but im not sure what motor i should go with so whats the weight of the motor is it gonna be lighter then my stock setup ? TIA!
For that I’d go with a Holmes Crawlmaster sport 550 size 12t. It’s about the same exact speed as stock Titan 21t. If you want a bit more speed try the same Crawlmaster but in a 10t
How do you think it is compared to a non portaled rig with a 27 turn? I'm fairly content with the speed of a 27 turn or recently a stock gen 8 motor in my Ascender with ar44 axles just need one that can take mud/water, tired of frying these brushed motors.. lol
Well its only 1800kv so it should be fairly close to a 27t I'd think. Its very well sealed up so thats a great thing and it handled this truck with ease. Whether or not it can handle a higher geared mud truck, I honestly don't know. Its $150 so its priced well IMO.
Exocaged RC Sure would, but if it wasn’t $225 that would be a nice selling point. I can certainly do without Bluetooth interface if it means saving $50
Yeah so long as you can fit a 550 size motor, it will go. In the 10.3 you’ll probably have to remove the fake belt/pulley stuff from in front of the the motor.
I'm waiting for the 6 month update. Im not worried about heat. Im worried about longevity due to the sensitive electronics being enclosed inside the can
Well we will see. I bought it from Sean so it’s going to get some driving for sure and maybe be put into a different truck just to see how it does. My other esc’s last forever so I’m expecting this one to last too.
Exocaged RC thinking about upgrading my erevo motor and the rear shocks block anything larger than 75mm thereabouts. I’ve seen long 40mm motors and short 56mm motors, but no motors that a in between. . The tp power 4040 2450kv looks to be rated for 4200 watts peak and says max volts is 25, so I might just go that route since my stock motor only takes like 2200-2300 watts from 100 amps.
Hi Its incredible this motor... A question... What chassis you have... This motor is in the perfect possition for me... How can yoy do it? Thanks and cheers from Spain
Not even halfway through the video and I can tell the more stand non-staggered rotor has much more torque. The other staggered 540 are on the weak site.
This one really surprised me, I have now purchased this motor from Sean so you may see it in another vehicle, for some reason I want to try it in the Superlite.
looks to b a great motor option for one of my RCs of my fleet ...now who gets the upgrade...I know you don't like to answer non paying subscribers but do you thing this will work in a capra ...I kindia figure it wont but I thought I would ask....another great option from hobbywing....
LoL I try to answer everyone. I don’t get notifications like I used to. I guess too many posts and comments. On the Capra, it would be awesome but won’t fit without major belly trimming due to it being 550 in length. If you have modded you’re Capra with an axial 3gear trans it may work.
It would probably work but you’d be much better off with either a 2700kv Axe or 3300kv Axe or you could do a castle mamba x and a Holmes Puller Pro 3500kv and really wake it up.
Exocaged RC thanks for the advice! I’m not looking to make this thing crazy fast. I’ve been babying the thing mostly anyways. Just want to have more torque and a stronger drag brake.
Hey bud I’m building a 10.2 that I bought a vs410 chassi kit for and a set of vanquish d44 axles also got a 3 gear transmission with a vanquish case my I was wandering is there’s way that I could get 15 to 20 mph and still have good low speed control or what motor/esc/gearing would you recommend love your videos by the way I watch them everyday like everyone else
Thank you for watching and being a part of the Exocaged Channel! The only way I can see getting those speeds would be a Castle Mamba X and the Slate 3800kv motor, to get those speeds you will sacrifice a bit of down low control but the castle combo would be the best I can think of for what you're trying to get
@@ExocagedRC per my experience any of the two window four button led program cards will work on any programmable hw esc including the xr series. The lcd box is just easier to use.
Man I dont care what anybody says hobbywing is changing the game... my rc4wd chevy cuts power every once and a while because the motor wires are so long so this should fix everything...#EXO#HobbyWing
I just grabbed one! This video allowed me to make my final decision so thanks my friend. Btw love the channel alot it's my favorite rc crawler channel.
Awesome man. You’ll love it
Excellent stuff for an extreme crawler rig, less weight and compact size.
I'm running a Tekin T45 with a 1080 and mine will hold strong , and at a lower drag brake I can give my throttle a touch and it will hold until I touch throttle and roll into it. I will say I think this Tekin is doing alot of the work . So smooth and quite . And lots of torque as far as my testing has gone
I like the Tekin t45 motor, they run great on 4s and if your gearing is right, they will hold.
@@ExocagedRC do you know of a brushed esc that can do 4s?
I have that in my element and its soo good. Im running with 22t pinion. No heating issues, crawls really good and has good speed too.
Great to hear. Heat was a big concern for most people.
Sweet cool info,,
@@ExocagedRC And with a 2s lipo it will run abit cooler as well?
@@DirtyRC101 I'd assume so, but that's not always the case with these systems.
@@ExocagedRC Well, time will tell, i ordered it after watching some reviews and because well, it´s quite, runs really smooth and easy to work with and thank´s to this really annoying high pitch sound my either stock motor or esc emitts(trx4), cant go near it with a camera and film closeups.. There are always waterproof fans you can install? Have you tried any of those?
Fusion is the bomb. It performs better than any crawling motor. On cruise control it will keep the same forward speed no matter what you put in front of it and it is dead silent.
Best review of this so far 🙂
Very cool , I'm going to grab one from my local hobby shop as we have been lucky to get them in Australia already. But I'm of the same opinion and would much prefer 2300kv like my axe system...
But willing to give one a go in in my umg10 that I've still to finish..
Thanks for the run footage.
Cheers mate 👍
Oh man this is a game changer for space and weight. I'm getting this unit for my Element crawler. Will be doing some tests on this powerplant. Looking forward to your thoughts and reviews.
This looks like a good option for my scale Cherokee build.
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Very nice share dude! Love how quite the motor is and very nice control too 💯👍🏼
Sweet,, I'm currently running dual ESC, in my EnDuro SenDero, one in the rear for a servo winch XL5,, Thanks TO THE NEW MOTOR,,, , Now , I can eliminate one, and , move the REAR ONE,, where ever,,,
💯👍
yeah I'm liking this setup quite a bit too.
I'm loving that motor esc combo! I'm sold! Going to feature it on a build I have coming up! Looks awesome!
i guess it is pretty randomly asking but does anyone know a good site to watch newly released movies online ?
Not bad at all in a very good price point. I'm digging it. And it's not much more than a brushed motor and ESC... In a sealed can.
Hobby wing has upped the game with this system, and of course your review is Awesome as only you do 💯 I Appreciate Your Great Channel and is always a Pleasure to watch your videos Brother ✌️😎👍 Having Fun Laughing Playing and RCing 🌟 RCF4L 😷 Stay Safe My Friend
I appreciate that!
Its clickety McClackerson at super low speed. I need to get on the Exoplex FB page so i can come crawl at the Exoplex. Your place looks amazing. 👍🏼
lol yep!
Just installed mine yesterday in my OG AX10 sooooooo smooth and quiet. 5 outa 5 for me yall
I have a ax10 and don’t know if I want to spend $150 on a motor and esc. Do you like or love it?
@@triciaflanagan5668 its amazing! Still 6 months later. Unbelievable control and torque at insanely low rpm's
got the 1200kv on the way .cant wait to see how it performs in my trx4 sport
wow 1200? A few locals got the 1200 axe and had a hard time selling them because they were too slow
Ya know... you could just jump up to a 16T and get that little bit of wheel speed your missing. If anything, it'll help smooth out the FOC.
Dial in about 45:45 exponential.
It'll be butta!
I'm running a 19/56 on my 1800 in my wraith on portals, and it's perfect!
Not really a fan of gearing up on a crawler. You have a fast ratio but you also have about 7-1 gearing in those portals. Big difference. Larger pinions reduce the low end control and also reduce the effective drag brake, this fusion as I’ve show on a trx with 2-speed in 2nd gear the drag brake doesn’t hold due to fast gearing. Not saying a tooth or two would hurt anything, but the majority of my factor vehicles are stock ratios or geared down some.
ah good, been looking at these, thanks
As time are gettin tighter here, my chances of getting one of those are slim but not gone.
Try it with a 19-21 tooth pinion, it should still have good low speed but with more wheel speed. I ran a 21 on my Gen8 with AXE 550 3300kv and great low speed control and never a torque or heat issue. I run a 19 on my Axial with the AXE 540 2300. Same result.
I may do that for this next comp this weekend, it could use a bit more wheel speed.
@@ExocagedRC I have not found a pinion big enough yet that these AXE motors couldn't handle with ease. Since the AXE has such good low speed control and a hill brake that works so well, you don't need the small pinions to make the truck hold a hill or to get low speed control.
Definitely getting one just gotta get a new crawler first
And now I know why my Vaterra with 1080 rolls on a little :D ; didn't know that about brushed combo's, thanks.
Adjust the drag break and it won’t
Purchased my HW Fusion off Amazon...b/c I had a credit there... same price as Amain... not in stock at LHS
Thanks I kinda thought the same thing ....I wanted to put a motor that would have the power of the 1800 kg Revolver...
This is plenty strong but I doubt it has the torque of the Revolver.
Nice.ill get one for my new crawler I built.
I love these combos. I just wish they had a 2300kv or 2500ish kv would be even better!
Where you still on the stock 18t pinion and 87t spur with this? Looking at this motor with Bowhouse SVT spur adapter and trying to pick gears.
i have a jx46kg servo do you recommend i use a castle bec or would the internal bec be ok
What spur teeth are used with the 12T pinion and what is the drive ratio. I just ordered one to put in a Boom Racing BRX01.
Stock spur and stock gearing except for pinion. I’m not sure what the final drive ratio is.
That’s an awesome idea
Did you not run a bec with that an if so how cause I dont know how many but that 555 has to be putting out some amps an the fusion is a constant 4A correct 🤔
believe it or not there was no external bec on it and no brownouts.
Just put the hw on my crawler amewi crx10 pro which has a second faster gear shift, just epic
Try some desert lizard shocks! You can run it near full droop and have some cushioning
I’ve actually figured some springs on it. But have 2 more videos to edit of it on full droop before I can record that one.
anyone know the bearing sizes for the fusion motor? thanks 🙏
Should I do the bigger one or the one you used
I currently have hw1800kv on my axial scx 10 iii gladiator and i'm thinking to upgrade to 2800 ... i wonder which one is better between both 1800 and 2800 in term of torque.. any advise?
You think this system would work ok I'm an all metal rock bouncer with 2.6 mamba tires? Wraith based rig
Hey Joe been running droop suspension you've inspired me to rip the springs off and go full droop can I get a little advice on what shock oil you're running
In this one the shocks have the stock oil, I've read I need to go thick like 60-70wt. I really don't like full droop for the way I drive, I have now put on some Axial Purple springs for the Capra and from what I can see on the table I am going to like this a lot more. About .25" compression on front and .5" compression on rear.
@@ExocagedRC Ye, Im not a fan of running spring less & light wt oil!! I generally run all my trucks with 600/700 cst or Losi 60-70 wt, then I tune the front end at roughly 3/4ths droop & the rear end 50/60% droop. run it like that you'll never go back, those shocks stay planted on the rocks there no bouncing all over the place, just smooth slow motion like articulation that keeps you planted!!👍🏼
omg.. I remember that, The Fart Heard Around the World.
I'm still holding off on a purchase of this motor, seen enough vids now to believe it is reliable and suitable, wanting for a higher kv though - like 2300 to 2700kv. Could see it working well though in a 2 speed TRX-4 rig, slow crawl and faster than you care to be running on a trail.
So I'm building a superlight trx4 sport the esc is stock an starting to get to hot on me i was gonna go with a 1080 but im not sure what motor i should go with so whats the weight of the motor is it gonna be lighter then my stock setup ?
TIA!
For that I’d go with a Holmes Crawlmaster sport 550 size 12t. It’s about the same exact speed as stock Titan 21t. If you want a bit more speed try the same Crawlmaster but in a 10t
What gearing would you recommend for a box stock TRX4 with a Hobbywing Axe 1,800KV system?
Sport? Is probably tru the stock ratio first and then adjust accordingly.
Can a regular 1080 card work with the fusion?
yeah it can but you'll need to look at the manual to set it up properly
How do you think it is compared to a non portaled rig with a 27 turn? I'm fairly content with the speed of a 27 turn or recently a stock gen 8 motor in my Ascender with ar44 axles just need one that can take mud/water, tired of frying these brushed motors.. lol
Well its only 1800kv so it should be fairly close to a 27t I'd think. Its very well sealed up so thats a great thing and it handled this truck with ease. Whether or not it can handle a higher geared mud truck, I honestly don't know. Its $150 so its priced well IMO.
It's not quite a mud truck, just a stock geared 8 lbs trail truck that likes playing by the river.. haha
It’d be neat if they made a 550 spec version and had the ESC as a piggyback configuration for TRX4 and other forward motor mount vehicles
Wouldn't that pretty much be an Axe 550 system? Or are you wanting it on the side of the can?
Exocaged RC Sure would, but if it wasn’t $225 that would be a nice selling point. I can certainly do without Bluetooth interface if it means saving $50
Fusion did not have the stagered rotor ?
Nope. It did not.
Thank you! No Drag Brake Auto Mode?
I didn’t see one in the paper or on the programmer.
LOL, I just watched that video last night with the personal brownout
LOL that 25kg servo test!!??? LMAO man I laughed so hard I had tears when I found out I forgot to edit that out!!!
Yeah, was rewatching the servo test's, haha Was a good rip 😂
Be honest with me could I use this in a SCX10.3 and wraith
Yeah so long as you can fit a 550 size motor, it will go. In the 10.3 you’ll probably have to remove the fake belt/pulley stuff from in front of the the motor.
@@ExocagedRC ok now be 100% honest with me also,.. can I fit this in my SCX24 if I did a little rearranging in the chassis & body?
@@centeguahan3760 lol what
I'm waiting for the 6 month update. Im not worried about heat. Im worried about longevity due to the sensitive electronics being enclosed inside the can
Well we will see. I bought it from Sean so it’s going to get some driving for sure and maybe be put into a different truck just to see how it does. My other esc’s last forever so I’m expecting this one to last too.
I hope so. Much needed space saver
great review! i wonder if you install 14p or 16p to make up speed as 2300kv. 1800 still will give you good torque at low rpm?
yeah I'm sure it would
Are there any 44+mm 75mm long motors that are good quality?
What exactly are you needing this for?
Exocaged RC thinking about upgrading my erevo motor and the rear shocks block anything larger than 75mm thereabouts. I’ve seen long 40mm motors and short 56mm motors, but no motors that a in between.
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The tp power 4040 2450kv looks to be rated for 4200 watts peak and says max volts is 25, so I might just go that route since my stock motor only takes like 2200-2300 watts from 100 amps.
Hello!
Did you use completely basic settings?
Hi
Its incredible this motor...
A question... What chassis you have... This motor is in the perfect possition for me... How can yoy do it?
Thanks and cheers from Spain
Very cool considering the Capra Is geared so fast would you go with the 1800 or the 1300 fusion
1800kv all day.
But it won’t fit in the Capra due to its length.
But can't u make it work? Because u ( exocage ) put a 550 in a capra.
realistic rc That’s what I was curious about because people have stuffed 550 motors
@@ExocagedRC but can't u make it work because I seen u put a 550 in a capra
Not even halfway through the video and I can tell the more stand non-staggered rotor has much more torque. The other staggered 540 are on the weak site.
This one really surprised me, I have now purchased this motor from Sean so you may see it in another vehicle, for some reason I want to try it in the Superlite.
@@ExocagedRC oh..that's gunna make a really good set-up for Superlite.
What do you think about this for a Gen-7 vs the stock motor/esc combo, speed wise?
stock vs stock probably about the same but stronger and more reliable, granted this is a new thing so time will tell if those statements hold true.
Hey Joe, can you weight it for me. I need a total weight to see if I can use it in one of my projects. Thanks!👍🏼
As it sits it comes in at 5lbs 10oz
Exocaged RC 🤣 I’m sorry, I meant the motor/esc. Thanks!👍🏼
201g as told by hobbywing
looks to b a great motor option for one of my RCs of my fleet ...now who gets the upgrade...I know you don't like to answer non paying subscribers but do you thing this will work in a capra ...I kindia figure it wont but I thought I would ask....another great option from hobbywing....
LoL I try to answer everyone. I don’t get notifications like I used to. I guess too many posts and comments. On the Capra, it would be awesome but won’t fit without major belly trimming due to it being 550 in length. If you have modded you’re Capra with an axial 3gear trans it may work.
Hey Tom. I was thinking same thing about how good for the Capra. I'll check anyway.
@@vwagon5566 Its too long for Capra chassis.....
Can you try it with the stock gearing?
i may have a 17t pinion somewhere
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How much does it weigh-in has
As just the motor
I think it specs out to 201g.
How much you have that front-end over driven, 30 plus % 😂 , That thing was running reverse wheelies like a champ!! 💪🏽 lol
lol no overdrive at all, its just front heavy a bit too much
Anyone burn up this setup?! Im thinking about getting it...not super excited about both motor and esc burning up if 1 goes...
Not yet
@@ExocagedRC i got a wendigo with a holms revolver and 9t pinion but the motor gets hot, you think this would be a better option...
I’ve been wanting to upgrade the stock system in my trx6. Do you think this motor would be adequate for the trx6? Love the vids btw
It would probably work but you’d be much better off with either a 2700kv Axe or 3300kv Axe or you could do a castle mamba x and a Holmes Puller Pro 3500kv and really wake it up.
Exocaged RC thanks for the advice! I’m not looking to make this thing crazy fast. I’ve been babying the thing mostly anyways. Just want to have more torque and a stronger drag brake.
@@bendutfield2524 I'm running the 2700kv axe in my trx6 and its amazing not to fast but very controlled and more than enough torque
Sean P RC are you running 2s or 3s?
@@bendutfield2524 3s with a 12t pinion 45 t spur
Hey bud I’m building a 10.2 that I bought a vs410 chassi kit for and a set of vanquish d44 axles also got a 3 gear transmission with a vanquish case my I was wandering is there’s way that I could get 15 to 20 mph and still have good low speed control or what motor/esc/gearing would you recommend love your videos by the way I watch them everyday like everyone else
Thank you for watching and being a part of the Exocaged Channel! The only way I can see getting those speeds would be a Castle Mamba X and the Slate 3800kv motor, to get those speeds you will sacrifice a bit of down low control but the castle combo would be the best I can think of for what you're trying to get
Exocaged RC what about a Holmes motor what would you recommend in a HH
3500kv Puller Pro would be it. I have one of those motors and it runs great. Currently it’s in the Redcat Wendigo
Interesting there is also no AUTO Function on the Drag Brake Rate.
yeah not there, I left those setting factory and it seemed to do just fine
All the hw programmers are the same. They just have different stickers.
Well some are different with the brushless stuff. I have a digital one for the XR style esc’s.
@@ExocagedRC per my experience any of the two window four button led program cards will work on any programmable hw esc including the xr series. The lcd box is just easier to use.
This system is really lightweight. Might switch out the 3300kv kit for one. I'm worried about loosing wheel speed
well yeah 3300kv to 1800 will be a big loss of wheel speed for sure
Man I dont care what anybody says hobbywing is changing the game... my rc4wd chevy cuts power every once and a while because the motor wires are so long so this should fix everything...#EXO#HobbyWing
Awesome yeah it held the Reefs 555 just fine
I'll also take 1 on 'loan'! 🤪😃
LoL yeah I gotta give this one back, I’ve already offered to buy it.😀
Im feel the same 2300 a little more speed
Got the 1800. ...my brushed was fater
It’s gonna suck when that beating in the back needs changed
Yeah I agree but it appears to be super beefy so I’m hoping it’s never an issue.
Man brain fart I was thinking where is the sensor wire this may go in my trx4
Yeah it’s all built in and smooth