Great video!! In Chile we used the SIG 510-4 (Stg 57) made by Berretta and the SIG 540 family made by FAMAE. Sweet guns. Some army units still use the 510 for training and DMR , and Carabineros (the National Gendarmerie Police) use it for border security in the mountains, after 60 years they shoot like the first day.
We were given the prototypes to test in 1980 during my UOS (Non Com School) with the message “in a few years”. We then were the first reservist unit, Rgt Fant Mont 30, to be issued the Fass 90 as replacement of the Fass 57. January 3rd, 1990 at the Mercato Coperto in Giubiasco.
Sometimes I feel I should have gone to Switzerland & done my military service when I was younger instead of taking the path in life that I did. Would have been fun to run around the mountains with one of those rifles.
The Swiss military is not what it used to be. Nowadays, most recruits are run on a budget, with no more than 10-20 shooting practices in total. The rest of the time is spent waiting around, guarding embassies (very boring), or the occasional civil service work such as helping out in hospitals during covid. Its no wonder many young ones prefer to skip the service altogether and opt for the shorter civil service or simply get excused for medical reasons.
a very nice rifle, one of the most accurate standard issued service rifles for sure. some would say it is the best but they never lost their charging handle...
Just finished your incredible series with Bloke about the 57! It was amazing and so incredibly interesting! If you can, please do a deep dive into the Stgw 90 and other swiss arms some day. Just so freaking good and the world needs this knowledge preserved!
Thanks for the translation...a while ago I've seen the German version of the exactly same video and I have to rely on the automatic translation to get the what they're saying :p.
J'ai liké et ajouté aux favoris! Ca faisait longtemps que je cherchais la dispersion mécanique du fass 90! Par contre dans la vidéo c'est pas clair à quelle distance ils testent. J'assume que c'est 300m
No he did not. As far as I can see he used all brass duds, with which in the first few days of bootcamp the recruits learn how to manipulate the weapon without endangering anyone (fun fact: this duds cost 4-5 times as much as live ammo).
@@DaletheStgwDude NO, non si deve avere assolutamente entusiasmo. Il "dovere" fare il servizio militare basta. Fra chi vuole farlo vi sono non pochi estremisti.di destra, gente pericolosa, non adatta a fare il soldato in Svizzera e mandata a casa. L' Esercito e' molto vigile da anni.
I’ll try not to make ALL my questions regarding language but…I gotta ask. The gentleman at 6:42. What language is he speaking? It sounds sort of like German with an accent I’m not familiar with.
Any chance you know what steel they use for the upper receiver stampings or can please look it up? Curious to look up the mechanical and corrosion properties for the metal itself and compare vs other stamped designs like the G3 or AKM. Hoping you post more stgw90 content soon 😎
Hi! Unfortunately, I do not know what material specification and heat treatment is used on the stamped portion. Most likely, unalloyed or low-alloy steel is used, carburized and quenched. The receiver is also specially painted and coated for corrosion resistance instead of standard parkerizing or bluing. Given that this is a current production rifle produced by a private company, it would be impossible for me to share information on that.
@@DaletheStgwDude gotcha. I assumed it was like with the usa where there is a general Technical Data Package that has been figured out by other companies and pretty available somewhere. May not be the case though. Either way, thanks for the response and hope you cover this platform more in the future. Not enough stgw90 content online, especially from Switzerland on English speaking TH-cam at least
@@worthlessgusto695 You’re welcome! The Stgw 90 is not my specialty, but I’m currently researching the 70s and 80s trials that led to this rifle. It’s a fascinating story that I will share in the future. Stay tuned
@@worthlessgusto695 Most US weapons have not been figured out by other companies. Colt is only known because a guy who worked at the government released the entire TDP.
As it turns out, this gun's long-stroke gas-operated. But with a lower receiver & upper like a G3 or AR-15. Gets rid of the AK-style dust cover & has now a solid upper better for mounting optics. The recoil spring is also in the front part of the bolt carrier. So, that's 1 less extra part. Nope, cause the front of the bolt carrier is now 2 parts held by the charging handle. So, still 2 separate parts. Maybe they did this cause if they kept the recoil spring in the back they would've had to add another piece of metal to hold the recoil spring in one place like in the G36.
How do they choose a presentation language for the military. I thought the majority spoke German. I can definitely hear the soldiers speaking it. But the narration is in French.
it seems like the smaller the country the more precision they opt for and larger the country the less like russian vs swiss this is obvious or russian or chinese vs Finland
Probably because smaller countries cannot maintain economy nor population to field armies large enough to warrant the mass production of good enough weapons, so therefore they specialise their armies and weaponry in order to make a smaller army stand better chance against bigger army. In practise it makes little sense since the larger power will always have more planes, more artillery and more tanks than you and it is these things that decide battles, not infantry rifles.
The swiss shoot 300m as the main sportshooting discipline. And the vast majority does it with the service rifle. It was a prerequisite for all military rifles to be able to shoot competitively, since the k31. The comparison with the ak is good, since the M90 is functionning exactly like an ak but in a more refined package. Less rattling, fewer sharp edges. But the AK is accurate, the 7.62x39 limits the range because of poor ballistics but it's not uncommon for an ak (russian, east german or other properly built ones) to shoot 1moa if the ammo is consistent. The east germans had 5.45x39 "sniper ammo" aka proper match ammo. With that any well maintained east german AK with a scope was a DMR. With a regular russian military ak74 and military or barnaul ammo you have 100% hits on a man sized target at 500m, I'd call it more than acceptable accuracy.
I was sold at the 80's- early 90's generic rock music intro, it's not as balls to the wall as the M2- Bradley IFV's promotional video but I guess this is for a swiss audience not an American audience, I don't believe they would be ready to rock and jam that hard
@@az_tinkerer_gamer It is not really a coincidence. We (I am German speaking Swiss) just took over some expressions from our western cousins. We also learn French at school (to our collective dismay ;))
A good rifle but it could have been much better ... - today even infantry uses scope - no rail for the regular rifle - crappy bipods - either too high or too low - crappy butt stock - not adjustable but runs like an AK ... 🙂
@@DaletheStgwDude Well as far as I know it is still used w/o scope. A rail could be welded easily and dito for bi-pod. That bi-pod has the exact dimension for the Swiss shooting range. But in the field in the combat range, it's useless.
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Great video!! In Chile we used the SIG 510-4 (Stg 57) made by Berretta and the SIG 540 family made by FAMAE. Sweet guns. Some army units still use the 510 for training and DMR , and Carabineros (the National Gendarmerie Police) use it for border security in the mountains, after 60 years they shoot like the first day.
We were given the prototypes to test in 1980 during my UOS (Non Com School) with the message “in a few years”.
We then were the first reservist unit, Rgt Fant Mont 30, to be issued the Fass 90 as replacement of the Fass 57.
January 3rd, 1990 at the Mercato Coperto in Giubiasco.
@@DaletheStgwDude yes, two prototypes per system were delivered.
Sometimes I feel I should have gone to Switzerland & done my military service when I was younger instead of taking the path in life that I did. Would have been fun to run around the mountains with one of those rifles.
The Swiss military is not what it used to be. Nowadays, most recruits are run on a budget, with no more than 10-20 shooting practices in total. The rest of the time is spent waiting around, guarding embassies (very boring), or the occasional civil service work such as helping out in hospitals during covid.
Its no wonder many young ones prefer to skip the service altogether and opt for the shorter civil service or simply get excused for medical reasons.
@@leoncampa I'm aware.
@@leoncampa boarf it happens but depends on the unit you are in. Some are much more active
Teraz na fali jest Polska armia.
Polscy komandosi Grom i Polski karabin MSBS Grot.
@@leoncampaMeanwhile croatia millitary: "you get to shoot?!"
Thank you so much for this translation work!
I had the chance of firing the PE90. This is the nicest autoloading rifle out there.
Top Job whit the suptitles Dale
The Swiss are spoiled by the best rifles on earth. How they get accuracy and reliability so precisely is amazing.
a very nice rifle, one of the most accurate standard issued service rifles for sure. some would say it is the best but they never lost their charging handle...
true XD
Just finished your incredible series with Bloke about the 57! It was amazing and so incredibly interesting! If you can, please do a deep dive into the Stgw 90 and other swiss arms some day. Just so freaking good and the world needs this knowledge preserved!
@@DaletheStgwDude Awesome!! Super excited!!
I knew subscribing would pay off one day!
i know I am kind of off topic but do anyone know of a good website to watch newly released movies online?
@Valentino Jordy I use Flixzone. Just search on google for it =)
Thank you for uploading this. It was very informative. :)
18:00 Faut quand meme apprécier les bruits de cloche de vache à l'arriere-plan
vive la suisse XD
Awesome work as always Dale!
Im never thankful for the algorithm. But this one, this is the one. Thank you algorithm.
Merci pour ce petit bijou !!!
those machines from the 80s look like what id expect to see today in the 2020s
9:42 wow so cool to see M. Brodbeck!
@@LeFeuauxpoudres yes! I showed him this sequence and he remembers being very nervous
@@DaletheStgwDude he's really a nice person, I hope I can meet him again
Merci pour le partage Lieutenant 🍿
This was so dope. Love the channel. 👍🖤🖤🖤
I wish I could find something like this for the FNC and AR70
ottima arma sia il vecchio stg 57 che il 90 ,anche se possiamo detenerli solo in semiauto in italia non c'è nulla di preciso come questi
Intro song is so 80s action movie
thanks for sharing these cool videos
Thanks for the translation...a while ago I've seen the German version of the exactly same video and I have to rely on the automatic translation to get the what they're saying :p.
Thanks Dale !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Danke
57 is a great rifle!!
J'ai liké et ajouté aux favoris! Ca faisait longtemps que je cherchais la dispersion mécanique du fass 90! Par contre dans la vidéo c'est pas clair à quelle distance ils testent. J'assume que c'est 300m
Great video ! Thanks !
19:00 did he just load combat ammo into the rifle inside the film studio? :o
No he did not. As far as I can see he used all brass duds, with which in the first few days of bootcamp the recruits learn how to manipulate the weapon without endangering anyone (fun fact: this duds cost 4-5 times as much as live ammo).
Il concetto svizzero e' l' "obbligo di servire" per i cittadini maschi. Si tratta dunque di "dovere" fare il.servizio militare e non di "volere".
Depends on your enthusiasm and openness to change I guess
@@DaletheStgwDude NO, non si deve avere assolutamente entusiasmo. Il "dovere" fare il servizio militare basta. Fra chi vuole farlo vi sono non pochi estremisti.di destra, gente pericolosa, non adatta a fare il soldato in Svizzera e mandata a casa. L' Esercito e' molto vigile da anni.
14:44 Of course... the Swiss Army knife.
I’ll try not to make ALL my questions regarding language but…I gotta ask. The gentleman at 6:42. What language is he speaking? It sounds sort of like German with an accent I’m not familiar with.
@@DaletheStgwDude he speaks a bernese dialect
@@epstone Actually it is a more Eastswiss dialect from Zürich and Schaffhausen....
@@stefankrebs7593 definitely not. The location it was filmed is in also in Thun which is Berne.
@@epstone You are right on that point 🙂
sympa la video sur le fass90
Amazing
Interesting, thanks!
ROCK&ROLL!!!!
Cow bell 🔔
@@seanlukew7499 You heard them too!
Terminator style music intro
What is the Iris mentioned at 26:47?
Example here: www.waffenboerse.ch/wyss-irisblende-stgw-90.html
@@DaletheStgwDude Ah it's for target shooting?
@@JP-th8sq correct
Any chance you know what steel they use for the upper receiver stampings or can please look it up? Curious to look up the mechanical and corrosion properties for the metal itself and compare vs other stamped designs like the G3 or AKM. Hoping you post more stgw90 content soon 😎
Hi! Unfortunately, I do not know what material specification and heat treatment is used on the stamped portion. Most likely, unalloyed or low-alloy steel is used, carburized and quenched. The receiver is also specially painted and coated for corrosion resistance instead of standard parkerizing or bluing.
Given that this is a current production rifle produced by a private company, it would be impossible for me to share information on that.
@@DaletheStgwDude gotcha. I assumed it was like with the usa where there is a general Technical Data Package that has been figured out by other companies and pretty available somewhere. May not be the case though. Either way, thanks for the response and hope you cover this platform more in the future. Not enough stgw90 content online, especially from Switzerland on English speaking TH-cam at least
@@worthlessgusto695 You’re welcome! The Stgw 90 is not my specialty, but I’m currently researching the 70s and 80s trials that led to this rifle. It’s a fascinating story that I will share in the future. Stay tuned
@@worthlessgusto695 Most US weapons have not been figured out by other companies. Colt is only known because a guy who worked at the government released the entire TDP.
Génial!
When view glasses was so big and ugly.. I have forgot that time
Sehr gut!!! ^_^
Im a proud PE90 owner in the United States!
Thank you!
glad for the subtitles. I can handle German, but not French.
What year was this film made?
@@DaletheStgwDude Thanks for the info!
Now I want one
Fun fact, Shädman aka Shädbase has the Sig sg 500 with Graffiti
What does he mean by 'iris' at 26:47?
@@DaletheStgwDude Thank you very much!
@8:40 AUGH THOSE CURSED 7's!
Anyone know the name of the song?
As it turns out, this gun's long-stroke gas-operated. But with a lower receiver & upper like a G3 or AR-15. Gets rid of the AK-style dust cover & has now a solid upper better for mounting optics. The recoil spring is also in the front part of the bolt carrier. So, that's 1 less extra part. Nope, cause the front of the bolt carrier is now 2 parts held by the charging handle. So, still 2 separate parts. Maybe they did this cause if they kept the recoil spring in the back they would've had to add another piece of metal to hold the recoil spring in one place like in the G36.
How do they choose a presentation language for the military. I thought the majority spoke German. I can definitely hear the soldiers speaking it. But the narration is in French.
So this gun can also able to fire the m855a1 62grain 5.56 nato round ?
Don’t see why it wouldn’t work
I mean if this rifle have 1/7 barrel twist rate then it can even fire m855a1 type round without any problem.
it seems like the smaller the country the more precision they opt for and larger the country the less like russian vs swiss this is obvious or russian or chinese vs Finland
Probably because smaller countries cannot maintain economy nor population to field armies large enough to warrant the mass production of good enough weapons, so therefore they specialise their armies and weaponry in order to make a smaller army stand better chance against bigger army.
In practise it makes little sense since the larger power will always have more planes, more artillery and more tanks than you and it is these things that decide battles, not infantry rifles.
The swiss shoot 300m as the main sportshooting discipline. And the vast majority does it with the service rifle. It was a prerequisite for all military rifles to be able to shoot competitively, since the k31.
The comparison with the ak is good, since the M90 is functionning exactly like an ak but in a more refined package. Less rattling, fewer sharp edges.
But the AK is accurate, the 7.62x39 limits the range because of poor ballistics but it's not uncommon for an ak (russian, east german or other properly built ones) to shoot 1moa if the ammo is consistent.
The east germans had 5.45x39 "sniper ammo" aka proper match ammo. With that any well maintained east german AK with a scope was a DMR.
With a regular russian military ak74 and military or barnaul ammo you have 100% hits on a man sized target at 500m, I'd call it more than acceptable accuracy.
can I convert this into an M14 EBR?
I was sold at the 80's- early 90's generic rock music intro, it's not as balls to the wall as the M2- Bradley IFV's promotional video but I guess this is for a swiss audience not an American audience, I don't believe they would be ready to rock and jam that hard
Thanks for posting the video. Enjoyed it As a home shop machinist and gunsmith, This is gun porn. Later from Texas. usa.
@@DaletheStgwDude Thanks ,I first saw a STG 57/SIG AMT here in the 80s. Could not afford it then, But sure wanted it. Settled for a HK93.
sympa cette vidéo::
Really cool video. Love Swiss rifles. On a side note, Swiss German really sounds like French.
Thanks!
Yeah, Swiss German does have a musicality to it. Do note that most of video is actually in French though.
@@DaletheStgwDude ya I figured as much. I did some research after the video, and some words in Swiss German are from French. Just a funny coincidence.
@@az_tinkerer_gamer It is not really a coincidence. We (I am German speaking Swiss) just took over some expressions from our western cousins. We also learn French at school (to our collective dismay ;))
Is it just me or is the guy with the green background kinda freaky. I feel like I’m gonna have nightmares about him for some reason
now idk if you know this, but YOU CANT COPYWRIGHT A TRANSLATION OF A TEXT YOU DONT OWN
The rolex kalashnikov
Cool i shooting wiht dis gun sorry for my englisch i from swizerland
Wow.
>only 4.1 kg
😢
compared to the 5.7 kg empty of the f ass/Stgw 57, it was a huge progress (and it's pretty well balanced)
File goods
I want 🤤
A good rifle but it could have been much better ...
- today even infantry uses scope - no rail for the regular rifle
- crappy bipods - either too high or too low
- crappy butt stock - not adjustable
but runs like an AK ... 🙂
Would make sense today, but don't forget that this rifle was essentially designed in the 70s and 80s.
@@DaletheStgwDude Well as far as I know it is still used w/o scope. A rail could be welded easily and dito for bi-pod. That bi-pod has the exact dimension for the Swiss shooting range. But in the field in the combat range, it's useless.
French Germans :D
Swiss and army in one sentence? that is like Soy Sausage....stick to tax evasion and making chocolate
Ich liebe Ihren Humor!
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