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I don't understand their logic. Many individuals have lower crowding due to a lack of alveolar width, which seems mostly unrelated to anterior-posterior position. They should have been asked about MSDO specifically.
People talk like that when they are opposed to the idea. Dr Ting clearly doesn't want Ronald to be asking such questions that he doesn't have an answer to! You said ask them about MSDO, but no matter how specific your question, their pivot from it will be proportionately spectacular too! 😉
I was going to go with ting till I saw him make this point, what a complete moronic perspective to take. I know for a fact that my mandible is narrow and small and so is my maxilla, they both need massive expansion. To say that width is not a problem is beyond delusion, since a wide prominent mandible is what looks very aesthetic, this is why many people get mandible implants to expand the width.
@@alexanderb7791 I have a great mandible but my upper palate is high and narrow. Would I also need to expand lower jaw? I’m confused since I don’t have a recessed mandible but a recessed maxilla at least that’s how I think and feel like.
@@ezcanor8262 everyone is different, I know the growth pattern you're talking about and it exists. Some people have a big mandible and narrow maxilla or a big maxilla and narrow mandible. Depending on your situation you might need just to expand one, but in my case I would need both. The problem with ting is he is saying that you never need to expand the mandible it just needs to be moved forward which is completely wrong.
I’m getting the feeling that they are misunderstanding the concern maybe. My upper arch and my lower have near perfect occlusion, but they are both too narrow. If I were to get MSE for my maxillary-dental arch, my occlusion would be messed up pretty badly unless they did something to widen my lower arch. And so how are they going to do that? Because I would assume the same concerns with regards to teeth anchored expanders that are used for the maxillary-dental arch would also apply to the mandibular-dental arch, right? (Tooth tipping, root resorption etc). Or is that less of an issue with the mandibular-dental arch? Am I missing something here?
@@Itstimetogogo it’s narrower than it should be from the front to the back, but it the most narrow in the front and gets wider towards the back of the mouth.
The mandible cannot be expanded horizontally the same way that the maxilla can. The mandible is one bone and does not have the suture that can expand the way the maxilla has. However the teeth can be moved buccally (towards the cheek) or uprighted if they are tipped inward, but the limit will be the bone of the mandible.
Your arch is not square, it is curved. So some part of it is wider than the other. I mean front part of the arch is narrower than the back part. And if your lower jaw is narrow and recessed, then you do maxillary expansion, repositioning the lower jaw forward will make the arches matched.
In short, the lower does not need to be "expanded," per say. Its more about front to back than side to side. Bring the jaw forward if you're worried about the top not matching the bottom
@LoveMetinder, I think you guys are throwing around terminology without really knowing what it means. “Bimaxillary Protrusion” would be the opposite of what you are describing. Sounds like you are describing “Bimaxillary Retrusion”
@@tjam4229I don't know the proper terminology is. I'm using the terminology that's frequently used so that people know what I'm talking about. It's what orthodontists call it. My teeth flare out and my mouth/lips are protrusive.
lovemetinder, sounds like you have “protrusive” traits, yes. But usually jaws aren’t “shorter and crowded”, when “protruding”....but instead are usually “longer” and “spaces” between teeth exist.
@@PeterGriffin-in5ut I've been told I need extractions with orthodontics which I want to avoid to prevent more trouble with breathing. My tongue doesn't fit in my palate. I can't mew. The back of my palate is higher. I have a deviated septum as well with asymmetry. My bottom dental midline is a whole tooth off with the upper.
So does this work the other way around? Can double jaw recession give that illusion of a narrow maxilla when all the is need is for both jaws to come forward? Or in short, can DJS solve the issue of a narrow palate?
I was going to go with ting till I saw him make this point, what a complete moronic perspective to take. I know for a fact that my mandible is narrow and small and so is my maxilla, they both need massive expansion. To say that width is not a problem is beyond delusion, since a wide prominent mandible is what looks very aesthetic, this is why many people get mandible implants to expand the width. Also, there can be cases where either the maxilla or mandible is slightly larger, but if one is severely underdeveloped then the other will be as well. To say that mandible width is never a problem and that it's just about moving it forward, just wow, cannot believe this guy is practicing and actually makes claims like that. Always be careful when using any Dr at the end of the day they are human beings and can be very wrong, only you can be responsible for your treatment. I passed on AGGA when the Dr pushing it to me just wasn't able to explain how I would get forward and horizontal growth when the device just pushes on your rear molars. Now I'm looking for the right MSE Dr to do Maxilla expansion and also a mandibular expansion simultaneously and not to a set mm but to where I reach the aesthetic look and function I want.
Go to an orthodontist who provides marpe and see. Sarpe is only necessary if the appliance isnt able to split your suture by itself or with corticopuncture
Heads-up people!! This video is just for information and isn’t medical or dental advice-I’m not a doctor, dentist or licensed healthcare provider of any kind. Always check with a qualified professional for your health questions. Use this info at your own risk-it’s not meant to diagnose, treat, or recommend specific providers, products or procedures.
I don't understand their logic. Many individuals have lower crowding due to a lack of alveolar width, which seems mostly unrelated to anterior-posterior position. They should have been asked about MSDO specifically.
People talk like that when they are opposed to the idea. Dr Ting clearly doesn't want Ronald to be asking such questions that he doesn't have an answer to! You said ask them about MSDO, but no matter how specific your question, their pivot from it will be proportionately spectacular too! 😉
I was going to go with ting till I saw him make this point, what a complete moronic perspective to take. I know for a fact that my mandible is narrow and small and so is my maxilla, they both need massive expansion.
To say that width is not a problem is beyond delusion, since a wide prominent mandible is what looks very aesthetic, this is why many people get mandible implants to expand the width.
@@alexanderb7791 I have a great mandible but my upper palate is high and narrow. Would I also need to expand lower jaw? I’m confused since I don’t have a recessed mandible but a recessed maxilla at least that’s how I think and feel like.
@@ezcanor8262 everyone is different, I know the growth pattern you're talking about and it exists. Some people have a big mandible and narrow maxilla or a big maxilla and narrow mandible. Depending on your situation you might need just to expand one, but in my case I would need both. The problem with ting is he is saying that you never need to expand the mandible it just needs to be moved forward which is completely wrong.
I’m getting the feeling that they are misunderstanding the concern maybe. My upper arch and my lower have near perfect occlusion, but they are both too narrow. If I were to get MSE for my maxillary-dental arch, my occlusion would be messed up pretty badly unless they did something to widen my lower arch. And so how are they going to do that? Because I would assume the same concerns with regards to teeth anchored expanders that are used for the maxillary-dental arch would also apply to the mandibular-dental arch, right? (Tooth tipping, root resorption etc). Or is that less of an issue with the mandibular-dental arch?
Am I missing something here?
Is your mandibular arch narrow all the way to the back?
@@Itstimetogogo it’s narrower than it should be from the front to the back, but it the most narrow in the front and gets wider towards the back of the mouth.
The mandible cannot be expanded horizontally the same way that the maxilla can. The mandible is one bone and does not have the suture that can expand the way the maxilla has. However the teeth can be moved buccally (towards the cheek) or uprighted if they are tipped inward, but the limit will be the bone of the mandible.
@@brittanyswiderski65Msdo can be done
Your arch is not square, it is curved. So some part of it is wider than the other. I mean front part of the arch is narrower than the back part. And if your lower jaw is narrow and recessed, then you do maxillary expansion, repositioning the lower jaw forward will make the arches matched.
In short, the lower does not need to be "expanded," per say. Its more about front to back than side to side. Bring the jaw forward if you're worried about the top not matching the bottom
How do you “bring the jaw forward” typically isint it with djs
@@avalex6603 yes, DJS
Can you ask about IMDO Surgery??? I think I speak for many...
What is the operation of moving the teeth to fix an overbite called?
What about in the case of bimaxillary protrusion where both jaws are crowded and are too narrow and short? What appliances and/or surgery are used?
@LoveMetinder, I think you guys are throwing around terminology without really knowing what it means. “Bimaxillary Protrusion” would be the opposite of what you are describing.
Sounds like you are describing “Bimaxillary Retrusion”
@@tjam4229I don't know the proper terminology is. I'm using the terminology that's frequently used so that people know what I'm talking about. It's what orthodontists call it. My teeth flare out and my mouth/lips are protrusive.
lovemetinder, sounds like you have “protrusive” traits, yes. But usually jaws aren’t “shorter and crowded”, when “protruding”....but instead are usually “longer” and “spaces” between teeth exist.
@@tjam4229 No I get it. I only say protrusion because that's what it's commonly referred to as and was asking for advice on treatment.
@@PeterGriffin-in5ut I've been told I need extractions with orthodontics which I want to avoid to prevent more trouble with breathing. My tongue doesn't fit in my palate. I can't mew. The back of my palate is higher. I have a deviated septum as well with asymmetry. My bottom dental midline is a whole tooth off with the upper.
So does this work the other way around? Can double jaw recession give that illusion of a narrow maxilla when all the is need is for both jaws to come forward? Or in short, can DJS solve the issue of a narrow palate?
I was going to go with ting till I saw him make this point, what a complete moronic perspective to take. I know for a fact that my mandible is narrow and small and so is my maxilla, they both need massive expansion.
To say that width is not a problem is beyond delusion, since a wide prominent mandible is what looks very aesthetic, this is why many people get mandible implants to expand the width.
Also, there can be cases where either the maxilla or mandible is slightly larger, but if one is severely underdeveloped then the other will be as well. To say that mandible width is never a problem and that it's just about moving it forward, just wow, cannot believe this guy is practicing and actually makes claims like that.
Always be careful when using any Dr at the end of the day they are human beings and can be very wrong, only you can be responsible for your treatment. I passed on AGGA when the Dr pushing it to me just wasn't able to explain how I would get forward and horizontal growth when the device just pushes on your rear molars. Now I'm looking for the right MSE Dr to do Maxilla expansion and also a mandibular expansion simultaneously and not to a set mm but to where I reach the aesthetic look and function I want.
How are you planning to expand the mandible? The mandible doesn’t expand from my knowledge
How did you fix your mandible?
Could you do a video on marpe vs sarpe please jawhacks I am not sure which would be best for me
Go to an orthodontist who provides marpe and see. Sarpe is only necessary if the appliance isnt able to split your suture by itself or with corticopuncture
Ive been meeting for so long but no chin gains but I have a jawline
@itz Rambles, do you mean “mewing” instead of “meeting” ? Yeah, I can’t see “mewing” doing anything but improving muscle-tone
My jaw isvery forward butnarrow
Same
First haha. I was thinking of this topic as well.
It's not something people need but dudes think that they're gonna lool like models out here by doing jaw surgery lol