Graph Tech Training Series: How to Install an Acoustic Guitar Saddle

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  • @rleegabe
    @rleegabe ปีที่แล้ว

    Nicole, your videos are great.I've put Graph Tech nuts and saddles on two guitars successfully by watching your videos. You are a wonderful instructor!!!!!!!!!! I'm 70 years old and learning new things is no easy process.

  • @runningwithscissors0911
    @runningwithscissors0911 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Nicole, you're such a good teacher ~ clear, concise and easy to follow. Thank you! Also, would :LOVE more "how to" videos.

  • @iggycygnus7430
    @iggycygnus7430 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Portrait of a master at work. Simply put.

  • @matthewbolduc2714
    @matthewbolduc2714 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very excellent presentation Nicole. You showed your handmade, I suppose, dual sanding blocks method for sanding down the base of the bone saddle correctly and easily. The blocks look very flat and level with maybe 200-400 grit sandpaper permanently glued on. The combination of the 2 blocks used together as demonstrated is a great way to work on a new bridge saddle. I am going to make 2 blocks like these.
    Your approach to the workpiece guitar was straight forward. The explanation gained most of my attention partly because I was not distracted by you working on a glitzy fantasy guitar. Your workpiece was an indescript 'work in progress'. I think that gave added focus to your demonstration of the skills and procedures.
    Working on a guitar is a type of precision work with a delicate and precise object. This is not hammer and chisel work. It is delicate work and needs to be planned out and worked on with patience and thought. One should probably not just pick up the bone saddle and start sanding on it with a piece of sandpaper in your hand. You should probably take your time, learn about it, and use the right tools and methods.
    The average player wants to make their instrument better when they work on it. Watching great but simple videos like this can enable the average player to perform some of the techincal work and maintenance on his instrument. One can take pride in doing good work on a nice guitar.

  • @jngohkai
    @jngohkai 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hi Nicole thanks a ton! That was really easy to follow and for a beginner it's a heaven sent. I have finally found the answer to my question - saddle height! Awesome! Coming back for more.

  • @molly-gibson
    @molly-gibson 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    One question. I took my saddle out and sanded it to lower my action. When I went to re-install it. I realized there is angle on the top of the saddle. Should the high side of the saddle be facing the sound hole or facing away from the sound hole?

  • @realtusq
    @realtusq ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Skip up to the 5 minute mark and Nicole will give some measurements of what your string height should be at the 12th fret. 👍

  • @VoltriixMori
    @VoltriixMori 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    thank you so much for this

  • @dubled2765
    @dubled2765 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    great video!

  • @martinjones5965
    @martinjones5965 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    4:57 12th fret Low E 3mm gap; High E 2mm

  • @titusrider7948
    @titusrider7948 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Since this is a beginner video it would be helpful if you mentioned which way the saddle goes and why

    • @GraphTechGuitarLabs
      @GraphTechGuitarLabs  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Usually, one end of the saddle is taller, and the taller side is on the low E side of the bridge. Hope that hleps!

    • @titusrider7948
      @titusrider7948 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@GraphTechGuitarLabs yes it does help, thank you!

  • @DjBydLo
    @DjBydLo ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, which is the one I should purchase for my Eastman E40OM-TC? , it is a 12 radius. Not undersadlle pickup. Thanks.

  • @jsenear
    @jsenear 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You did not check intonation. Should that be done? Even if you have a pre-compensated saddle? I have a new Enya Carbon Fiber Travel Guitar that came with a non-compensated saddle. Consequently, the high E and B string are both 9-10 cents sharp at the 12th fret. Do you think a pre-compensated saddle like the ones you sell would help that? It came with a quality bone saddle installed but it is not compensated. It came with the action perfect by the way. Very easy guitar to play finger style.

  • @DVEX1000
    @DVEX1000 ปีที่แล้ว

    What if you don't have the old saddle to reference the string height with? How do you determine the string height?

  • @silentdwak
    @silentdwak 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    is the top of the saddle have to be filed to match the fretboard radius at 12th fret?

  • @edsonlinhares1843
    @edsonlinhares1843 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the video
    What is the best tusq for guitar with nylon strings, considering the sonority?

    • @kieronreilly6713
      @kieronreilly6713 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Tusq man made ivory. Graphtech.com Used on Cole Clark guitars Australia also

  • @kieronreilly6713
    @kieronreilly6713 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cheers for the video needed to know if under the saddle... U know that metal piece was supposed to pop up. I thought Id broken my bridge or something. Thanks again great video

  • @jonathan2347
    @jonathan2347 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hi , what if i dont have my old saddle?

    • @GraphTechGuitarLabs
      @GraphTechGuitarLabs  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Then just get the right thickness and length and you can try the guitar, if it's too high, you can easily sand the bottom of the saddle down to get the right height!

    • @treslongwell1332
      @treslongwell1332 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      trial and error. install it , measure, do the math, sand it, etc

    • @user-hy3kv2tm2w
      @user-hy3kv2tm2w 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GraphTechGuitarLabs Do we have to keep taking the strings off?

  • @TomNguyenalwaysfortylove
    @TomNguyenalwaysfortylove 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What is the purpose of a compensated saddle versus the regular saddle?

    • @GraphTechGuitarLabs
      @GraphTechGuitarLabs  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      a compensated saddle will give you better intonation so that your guitar will be in tune all the way up the neck

  • @dellboy623
    @dellboy623 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Nicole, I got compensated saddle for my Fender acoustic guitar, but the radius is different than on old saddle. Do saddle, fretboard and nut must have same radius?

  • @Pizzarules
    @Pizzarules 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nicole you rule. 🙂

  • @mwrowe222
    @mwrowe222 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for the video-- but how do you know which side of the saddle is the front? Is it the side with "Tusq" printed on it, so that the taller part of the saddle goes under the low E? Just checking...

    • @GraphTechGuitarLabs
      @GraphTechGuitarLabs  7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You'll want to point the Laser Etching towards the sound hole!

    • @treslongwell1332
      @treslongwell1332 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GraphTechGuitarLabs uh . . . what is laser etching? Are you referring to the black lettering?

    • @GraphTechGuitarLabs
      @GraphTechGuitarLabs  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@treslongwell1332 Yea, the black letters face the neck/sound hole!

  • @leiej1495
    @leiej1495 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video but I wish you demonstrated how we can get the correct string action height, what if the high e has higher action height than the lower e string? Should we sand off the saddle on the higher e string till it gets the proper height?

    • @Edwin-E
      @Edwin-E 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I sand the saddle at an angle to get the correct action for high and low e strings.

  • @lelaki88
    @lelaki88 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    my D string buzzes a bit on my GS Mini. how do adjust the curvature of the saddle?

  • @taunjiachandler6607
    @taunjiachandler6607 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have an acoustic guitar that was given to me used and the saddle is gone! I bought some on Amazon and they are very thin & 2 fit into the slot in the bridge! The music store attendant said that there is usually a couple of holders that one of the saddles would be pressed into so it won't fall out! There wasn't, the slot is 3 1/4 inch long & 1/4 inch wide...HELP.

  • @masterela
    @masterela 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the video, can you please explain why there is an extra compensation for the B String on the saddle ?

    • @utubehound69
      @utubehound69 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's a few things mostly because of the tension & the kink in the 4th tuning i.e. "Tuning 5th fret to open string till you get to the G string you have to go to the 4th fret to open B then back to 4ths tuning w/the B string 5th fret to open high E". Thus the B string needs to be longer so the compensation for the B thats a simple way to explain.

  • @neljav84
    @neljav84 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What was that cable sticking out of the saddle slot? Does the saddle has to rest on top of that cable or cord or whatever???

    • @xExEagleEyexEx
      @xExEagleEyexEx 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      bb bbb it's for an electric guitar, I think it picks up sound and plays it through the amp

    • @xExEagleEyexEx
      @xExEagleEyexEx 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Electric acoustic

    • @jackquarantillo5192
      @jackquarantillo5192 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's a piezo pickup.

  • @francisbacom6953
    @francisbacom6953 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    is it ok to use the guitar without the saddle?

  • @doghouse010
    @doghouse010 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I did this with Tusq saddle but the 5th and 6th bass strings would become sharper and sharper up the neck. The 12th fret note and harmonic were different notes.

    • @GraphTechGuitarLabs
      @GraphTechGuitarLabs  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi, sorry for the delay in my reply … I’m pretty sure that was how it was before you replaced the saddle , an acoustic saddle only has a very small amount of intonation room … ( which was what you were measuring on the 12th note and harmonics) sounds like the bridge slot was made a little too close the nut side of your guitar and causing the sharpness in pitch as you played up the neck… not an easy thing to fix without filling in the saddle slot and routing in a new saddle slot in the right position or replacing the entire bridge … either way, not recommended for the faint of heart …

  • @123elvislives
    @123elvislives 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you
    This was very helpful
    👍🇦🇺👍🇦🇺👍

  • @davidkennedy1271
    @davidkennedy1271 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is a great video but one thing....no one ever talks about how to lower the saddle on one side alone...the tusq saddle on my acoustic guitar is 5/64 on both sides from when I bought the used guitar.....I believe someone replaced the saddle and never lowered the high "E" side.....what's the best way to do this? If I sand just the high E side the saddle will have a high spot in the middle. Common sense says I then need to level the bottom of saddle but I would like to know the professional way to do this.
    I just refretted the guitar with stainless steel frets. All the frets are level but I'm getting just a little buzz if I hit the A string hard at the 5,6,7th fret.....I have .011 relief in the neck. Do you think raising the saddle to 6/64 on the low "E" side would make a difference? I could shim it just to test it and if it works just buy a new tusq saddle....I'd rather have the relief at 8 or .009 thousands and a higher saddle. A guitar feels totally different when it's less than .010 relief in the neck.

    • @charlestruter7171
      @charlestruter7171 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Simply determine how much to take away by measuring the high E (fret 12) then deduct the 2 mm. Hold the saddle at the required angle on the emery board and sand it to a straight edge at that angle. Use a new saddle, keep the previous one to fall back on. Repeat until you are happy. At $5 NZ for a NuBone saddle this won't cripple you financially.

    • @davidkennedy1271
      @davidkennedy1271 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There's another way.....I found ....use a crowning tool to create an angle on top of the saddle....it's a bit of a pain because then you have to re-intonate the saddle. I've done it your way......it's not a simple thing to get the right angle but both work. I did the crowning tool thing last night.
      Thanks for the answer Graph Tech! Not!

  • @williamjahn7514
    @williamjahn7514 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just bought a new 9280 saddle to replace the plastic one in my Fender CP-60S acoustic. The plastic saddle was to narrow for the bridge slot and the plastic saddle radius was more like 9.6" radius and the board is 12" . The graph Tech 9280 was more than wide enough . The issue I found odd was when sanding the side of the saddle to fit it was clear from the sanding marks the 9280 on both sides showed I was sanding off high spots and still showed low spots. I though they were dead flat to start with , this was the first time I had to sand one to fit the slot . I've sanded the height many times for action , never the sides. Are they simply cast and will not have a completely flat surface?

    • @GraphTechGuitarLabs
      @GraphTechGuitarLabs  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think I get what you mean, you're saying the sides aren't completely straight, as in a 90 degree angle? Yea, there is a slight arch on the sides of the saddle.

    • @williamjahn7514
      @williamjahn7514 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I wouldn't describe it as a 90 degree angle . It look flat with a fine grained surface before you sand the sides, once you do begin sanding the low surface areas still show the fine grained cast surface. The surface on both sides is uneven . I imagine it does not matter since the bottom needs to be dead flat and 90 degrees to the sides . What would benefit most is since there are many times where saddle slots are wider than .125" and one buys a 9280 and it's to loose. You should offer an option or make the saddles .020" thicker since many buy these because they are already compensated . The only option is to add a wood shim to the saddle side and sand to fit or buy a blank which requires doing all the shaping .

  • @adi6165
    @adi6165 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What if I don't have my old saddle?

  • @DougHinVA
    @DougHinVA 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    is the method to check the thickness and length of the new saddle for a match to the old one first? Seems like common sense to me.

    • @GraphTechGuitarLabs
      @GraphTechGuitarLabs  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Doug, thats correct. Match it to the old one and that will help you determine the exact fit you need.

  • @DougHinVA
    @DougHinVA 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    So which way is a compensated saddle installed in the slot? There are 2 directions !

    • @realtusq
      @realtusq 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      As a general rule, the bass side of the saddle is higher, and and the B string compensation is usually kicked back , away from the headstock ...

  • @burtreynolds2969
    @burtreynolds2969 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have an acoustic thats missing the original saddle. How do I go about getting the height right if I don't have the original saddle to reference?

    • @yessure5291
      @yessure5291 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Look up on their web site for the right one for your guitar
      Install it as she showed.
      Sand a little off bit by bit to get her suggest clearances.
      As she said if you want it lower sand a bit more.
      It is not rocket science :)

    • @treslongwell1332
      @treslongwell1332 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      trial and error. install it , measure, do the math, sand it, etc

  • @faustohernandez3434
    @faustohernandez3434 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How do I set the intonation? This is driving me crazy!

    • @GraphTechGuitarLabs
      @GraphTechGuitarLabs  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You don't! If it's a compensated saddle, then the intonation is already done for you!

    • @faustohernandez3434
      @faustohernandez3434 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I already have one (made of plastic) and the intonation stills bad

    • @treslongwell1332
      @treslongwell1332 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@faustohernandez3434 try the Tusq?

    • @DrJoshGuitar
      @DrJoshGuitar 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      There are multiple possible reasons the intonation may be off. Make sure the strings are new and you are not fretting too hard. Make sure the neck is straight and has the correct amount of relief. Note that if the action is too high then notes higher on the neck will be sharp. Then determine if the string length needs to be longer or shorter. If it’s longer you can sand the top of the saddle at an angle over a particular string so that it makes contact slightly further from the nut. If it needs to be significantly shorter, I would take it to a luthier because fixing that will be more complex.

  • @MegaChoo2
    @MegaChoo2 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Disclaimer: I’m not a luthier. But for 40 years I’ve done my own saddles, I adjust string height across all 6 strings by notching the ALMOST finished saddle to the exact height I want with nut saws. With this method I can adjust intonation as well by moving the cut fore and aft on the saddle.

  • @jayzbond007
    @jayzbond007 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    is it common to slot the saddle similarly like the nut?

  • @angelcastellanosmartinez2412
    @angelcastellanosmartinez2412 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Nicole. I dont have the old saddle of a guitar i am restoring. It is an acoustic admira A-50 from the 80's.
    I saw in the website that there are different Tusq saddles, i suppose the best choice will be the compensated one with the nearest similar measures that fit the slot. Any suggestions?
    BUT, for a saddle and a nut i need, Will you deliver to Spain?
    I mean, i havent been able to see the shipping costs.
    I am thinking right now that i will need something else that i dont really know if you are selling it, just to make the order worth paying the shipping cost, like powder pumice to close pore as i am varnishing with shellac by hand, and a Rosette. Gonna check the website and see.....🤔

  • @treslongwell1332
    @treslongwell1332 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have the PQ 9210 00 tall saddle for classical. As I predicted, there is no explanation as to which way it goes in. The compensation is asymmetrical so it can only go in one way. This info is hard to find. I can't find it. Even emailed Graph Tech. They can't seem to comprehend my duh question. What the . .. ??

    • @GraphTechGuitarLabs
      @GraphTechGuitarLabs  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not sure who you emailed, but the laser etching or the lettering on the saddle faces the sound hole/ neck. Hope that helps!

    • @treslongwell1332
      @treslongwell1332 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GraphTechGuitarLabs thanks. next problem: The slot on my Mexican classical is 1/8" wide. the PQ 9210 00 is much less thick. It leans precariously toward the tension. Should I shim it (on which side?) or do you have a thicker one?

    • @Snakefinger1000
      @Snakefinger1000 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes it's the one bit of information she omits and the most important

    • @treslongwell1332
      @treslongwell1332 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      2 years later, no answer. I reordered the PQ-9204-00 which is 1/8" thick, A little sanding on the side (220 grit--she didn't tell the grit) and I slid it in without removing the strings. Without sanding the bottom, it's just a little high, will reduce it later maybe. I don't play too much high up.
      After hearing so much about the critical contact between the bottom edge and the slot, I was surprised to see the bottom of the PQ-9204-00 is perforated by 3 deep slots and 2 or 3 shallow round indentations. Also, the thing was not straight across the bottom edge--visible arched upward (the opposite of experts who say it should be crowned downward) And the bottom edge is visible not square.
      I was already wondering about the wisdom of using some kind of bedding compound, like wood filler, to solidify the overall bottom contact.
      I'm not impressed, not happy with the sound. Seems weak, but I don't know if I can blame the erratic shape of the bottom edge of the PQ-9204-00. Might be crappy strings or crappy expensive handmade guitar.

  • @2000SkyView
    @2000SkyView 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    3mm??? That is crazy high action!

    • @aaronkim1074
      @aaronkim1074 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's what I was thinking. That's borderline unplayable for me.

  • @danceswithcritters
    @danceswithcritters 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I did add a half mm back on the high E with a shim. So sue me.

  • @bjm2762
    @bjm2762 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very good video but background noise not required and very annoying

  • @michaelsullivan9140
    @michaelsullivan9140 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent video except for the musical background. Just distracts from listening to your discussion.

  • @demotester3095
    @demotester3095 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hi, the action with 3mm / 2mm is very high and not ergonomic, especially with thicker strings from 0.012 and more. It the frets are dressed up correctly, on a western guitar 2,5 mm / 1,8 mm should be no problem, even 2,2 mm and 1,5 mm should be possible (of course depending from playing style). Also, the ruler you use is much less precise then feeler gauges - I've seen instruments that could not be played properly, but the tech showed this ruler and meant these were 2 mm (they were not, and if this tech would have been a better guitar player who feels the difference between 2,5 and 2 mm, he would have known this!).

  • @сергейсолоницкий-м9ь
    @сергейсолоницкий-м9ь 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A good story, but why does luthier recommend such high string action ? 3 mm and 2 mm . Most sources say that the height of the 6th string over the 12th fret should be from 2.4 to 2.8 mm , and the 1st from 1.5 to 2 mm .Lower the first one, for example, by 0.2 mm or 0.3 mm in comparison with the height that Nicole recommends and it will be Much easier to play ! And Tommy Emmanuel also has a low string action .

    • @soupbonep
      @soupbonep 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      She said in the video that making the action higher at first is better because you can't add height to the saddle once you sand it off but you can shave it lower if your action is to high.

  • @chrisminer5884
    @chrisminer5884 ปีที่แล้ว

    3mm/2mm is very high. I go 2mm /1.5. No buzzing

  • @PMofKhanadah
    @PMofKhanadah 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    you never mentioned anything of the radius.? Don't you do that ?:

    • @GraphTechGuitarLabs
      @GraphTechGuitarLabs  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Great question. We make a lot of different saddles, compensated, non-compensated, blanks, and thicknesses. Easiest way to navigate through a lot of options is download our online catalog, the last 20 or so pages are life size line drawings... find some models that are close to what you are looking for and print them at 100% and just match up your existing saddle for radius... saves buying a radius gauge for a one off install... thanks again!

    • @robertwitzke1015
      @robertwitzke1015 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​ 6:22 6:22 @@GraphTechGuitarLabs

  • @mikelecuyer3676
    @mikelecuyer3676 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You should have said it will take 2 hours to sand a saddle using 100 grit paper.

  • @megabass1394
    @megabass1394 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Intonation???

  • @DougHinVA
    @DougHinVA 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    sanding all that material off the bottom is too much work... better done with a saw and a simple jig to make an initial cut and then fine sand to height. Even a cheap mitre saw kit will get you close and ready for final sanding the bottom...

  • @drvnlp6269
    @drvnlp6269 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This demo assumes you are duplicating a perfect saddle to begin with which is rarely the case :( Even new, name brand guitars are rarely setup properly from the factory. What then? I guess you buy a half dozen saddles and resort to trial and error if you're not starting with a perfect saddle?

    • @GraphTechGuitarLabs
      @GraphTechGuitarLabs  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You’re correct on no two guitars are the same.. I think if you get into the 3 minute mark of the video, Nicole gets into how to adjust for your particular guitar. Thanks for mentioning about this 👍

    • @joaquinodriozola4963
      @joaquinodriozola4963 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      #Drvn Lp this is not any science though. its so easy and non risky i do it by sight and feel i dont bother measuring it.

    • @drvnlp6269
      @drvnlp6269 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@joaquinodriozola4963 Yea, it looks like if you put a straight edge on a straight fingerboard it will line up at about .120" below the saddle nut when the strings are off. I haven't confirmed but that looks about right. This is the kind of answer I was looking for so I am posting in case anyone else is interested :)

  • @aaronsmith2083
    @aaronsmith2083 ปีที่แล้ว

    never sand your saddle like that...