Bloody hell Dan, I've been watching this film so many times now! I love the sound of this system...but like the underneeth look better...all these decisions!
I had stuck an SC Project full exhaust system on my Ninja 650, and I wholly believe it completely transformed the bike for me. Stock was way too quiet, so much so I felt a bit unsafe lane splitting because no one knew I was coming up beside them! I commuted on that bike and left super early in the morning so though I wanted to add some presence to my motorcycling experience, I also didn’t want to anger my neighbors each morning. Sounds like the SC Project setup has done well for you too, love it 👌
@@Englishbikerdan got this bike too! Really struggling on which exhaust to get😪 out of the many you have tried on this bike which sounds the best? For example the loudest?😂 want to get the stock exhaust off as soon as possible!! TIA!
And the whole bike is a much better bike, handling, building quality bike, only loses in the torque but on the other side haves much more power in high revs. I'm from Portugal, and here are way too much mt07 on the streets, the cb it's not so common.
I have a Honda CB 650 R and find the sound of the original exhaust completely fine. In my opinion it's not worth spending 1.3k or more on an aftermarket model. The stock bike fits the bike best, and if you want a loud bike, definitely buy an older bike because it sounds a lot better stock than this one with an SC project!
They are both great companies that make really nice products. You have to choose what's right for your visual preference, how loud you want it and your budget. The Akra I had didn't have a cat so probably needed a remap to get the most out of it. It had a small flat spot that I am not noticing with the SC system which is more restrictive and certainly not as loud.
Could you please do an Akrapovic / SC Project comparison? P.s. What tyres are on that CBR? I'm 3,000 miles in on OEM tyres, and still dread going out in the rain! (Which is a bit of a problem, because I live in Scotland.)
Akrapovic has no cat but sc has the cat on,I think the sound with an air filter and no cat at the sc,the sound will be a lot better!!!Akrapovic still has the best sound so far!!!
The Akra I had didn't have a cat or baffle so that added a lot of noise. They are both great, depends what look you prefer. Personally I've always liked traditional side mounted exhausts.
@@Englishbikerdan Thanks for your reply! I had an SC Project SC1-R for my previous bike (CB500F) and that was really nice. But for the current bike (same as yours) I want to stick to the OEM look (therefore i prefer how the Akra system looks) but ultimately it's of course about how it sounds. If I get the Akra it'll probably be with a cat and (maybe) also baffle. Anyway, drive safe and thanks for the great videos on your channel!
@@ultimuneuron Welcome and thanks for watching. Yeah the Akra is more OEM like as it's underneath and that was a good move by Akrapovic. Without the baffle it's so loud and with the baffle it was a little too quiet for me. Felt like it needed something in between. I've actually damaged my hearing because of loud pipes (tinitus) so going to a quieter pipe is a good thing for me.
It's quieter due to it having a cat. I've been unable to remove the dB killer so far. Will need to drill out the bolt and not sure I can be bothered tbh. It's a lovely sound as is.
@@Englishbikerdan I was under the impression that the Akrapovic had a Cat. That's what the dealer told me. It is bloody loud with the baffle out though! .
@@kb34958 The official exhaust for this bike is a road legal system with a carbon cap. The Akra I have is the exhaust for the CB650F but I didn't purchase the cat as thay was extra. It was far too loud without the DB killer in reality. No wonder my ears are still ringing after riding with that Akra for 2,000 miles around Europe!
Hi Dan, comparing the CB650R to the MT07, to the 790 Duke, how do the seating positions compare? I know the MT is more upright than the CB, but what about the duke?
I've not ridden the 790 in quite a while but from memory it felt a little more upright than the CB650R. The MT07 was the most comfortable bike out of those 3 though.
Sounds so good for a legal exhaust! I’ll gonna Test ride it soon but I’m scared it will be too uncomfortable having quite long legs and being 6.1(187cm). I’m gonna testride the new z900 too, it’s pretty cheap here new for 9000€
@@Englishbikerdan as far as I understand correctly, the akra is actually for the CBR650f so is the akra a racing line with the manufacturer number S-H6R12-HAFT? and does the exhaust fit without problems?
SC Project. It's cheaper than the Akra without sacrificing on quality, it's fully road legal and still sounds good. Not too loud but better than stock.
@@Englishbikerdan Hey Dan. Since having an older akra fitted to my euro 5 2021 cbr and it giving an engine light I'm having to rethink. Which model Sc project exhaust do you have an would you recommend it? I think SC do a euro 5 road legal option if I'm correct. Any suggestions on where to buy one? Thanks mate!
@@Englishbikerdan sorry just to supplement my last q - I also have slight tinnitus, would you say this exhaust gives a decent noise with the baffle in?
As it has a cat it's pretty much running OEM. Or close to it at least. It was a little lean with the Akra race system but the flat spot seems to be gone running this one.
I was lucky enough that SC Project sent me this exhaust for review. The SC1R is made to look similar to their race systems used in WSB championship. It's still Euro 4 Road legal but looks racier.
@@Englishbikerdan Well if you ever make it to New York, you would be more than welcome to take out the 500R along with my delta integrale if you do desired :)
This sc project or the new akra with the carbon end ? Both legal, both awesome quality , but how about performance and sound ?? That's the question 😋 Have anyone heard them from close ? Not from video xd
Hi Dan, that’s the better looking system , in my opinion, love the deep sound without being to loud. I’m thinking of trying to get one of these for my r650r during this lockdown, something to tinker with. Did you have to do anything electronic wise. (Not really up on this side, would have to be a dealer thing if needed for me) or is it simply install and ride ? I’m not worried about performance from it, just love the styling and sound. Keep up the great videos mate, always a pleasure to watch, cheers, Phil
Thanks Phil. Install and ride buddy! No remap needed as it's got a cat and I'm not noticing any flat spots (other than the one that's there as stock). In fact it's improved throttle reponse I think. The Akra was louder but that probably needed a remap to get the most out of it.
Brilliant, thanks for that Dan. Seeing as the holiday is now cancelled might have to cheer myself up and order one ! Looking forward to part two of the Nurburgring video...keep up the vids mate, cheers for now.
I still think that the stock exhaust looks so clean cut, that I won't be tempted away from that until someone comes out with something similar. And before anyone mentions akrapovic 🤢🤮
Hey mate , i know a guy that can modify the stock exhaust (He removes the catalyst but doesn't touch anything else so you keep the same design) If you are interested i can send you his facebook page
@@Englishbikerdan That's actually nice to hear bcs I'm probably getting the SC instead of the BW because of the EU homologation which is mandatory in italy, which SC has and BW doesn't. You've heard them both first hand, so I really do hope you're right. Hearing the exhaust live and from a video is completely different, you can't feel the sound vibrations through the video etc.
That's my main reason for the SC. Fully legal and still sounds great. Black Widow are still good BUT they are built to a price and suffer in terms of quality.
![HONDA CB650R sound & review + the embarrassing reason why I don't like the E-Clutch! [RAW Onboard]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/cU9XqLeB5QY/mqdefault.jpg)
Lovely tone to it. That onboard angle is sweet.
Bloody hell Dan, I've been watching this film so many times now! I love the sound of this system...but like the underneeth look better...all these decisions!
just purchased same exhaust for my 2019 CBR650R, cant wait to fit it ✊🏼💨💨
Nice!
I had stuck an SC Project full exhaust system on my Ninja 650, and I wholly believe it completely transformed the bike for me. Stock was way too quiet, so much so I felt a bit unsafe lane splitting because no one knew I was coming up beside them! I commuted on that bike and left super early in the morning so though I wanted to add some presence to my motorcycling experience, I also didn’t want to anger my neighbors each morning. Sounds like the SC Project setup has done well for you too, love it 👌
I thought the the akrapovic was the best sounding exhaust for this engine, but this SC makes me wonder 🤔
I'm still leaning towards the Akra. The sounds from the Akra seemed more refined and not as raspy.
Akra on cb650f? Nah.. The best is Yoshimura..
I also like the CS full system. Looks really clean
You're riding my commute in the Pirbright bends 😊 great videos, looking to get a CBR650R once COVID goes away 🙄
My commute too. 👍
@@Englishbikerdan haha ace, will see if I can spot you! I'll be on a white Z125.
@@SimonOnMyChannel I work in Guildford so I'll look out for you!
@@Englishbikerdan got this bike too! Really struggling on which exhaust to get😪 out of the many you have tried on this bike which sounds the best? For example the loudest?😂 want to get the stock exhaust off as soon as possible!! TIA!
@@tomj9896 Loudest was probably the Black Widow tbh.
I was pretty sure that the MT-07 would be my first bike, until I listened to this😏
same, a 4 cyl is a 4 cyl and the cb iss much better
@@Pedro.sousa98 Lol funny how I wanted an mt-07 until I saw this :D
@@bmwm3man The CB sounds even with standart exhaust much better and louder than the MT
And the whole bike is a much better bike, handling, building quality bike, only loses in the torque but on the other side haves much more power in high revs.
I'm from Portugal, and here are way too much mt07 on the streets, the cb it's not so common.
MT-07 with a loud pipe would sound amazing. Twins glorious twins.
I have a Honda CB 650 R and find the sound of the original exhaust completely fine. In my opinion it's not worth spending 1.3k or more on an aftermarket model. The stock bike fits the bike best, and if you want a loud bike, definitely buy an older bike because it sounds a lot better stock than this one with an SC project!
F/nice dan and great vid ride safe mate
Which one do you prefer, this SC Project or the Akrapovic one?
They are both great companies that make really nice products. You have to choose what's right for your visual preference, how loud you want it and your budget. The Akra I had didn't have a cat so probably needed a remap to get the most out of it. It had a small flat spot that I am not noticing with the SC system which is more restrictive and certainly not as loud.
Could you please do an Akrapovic / SC Project comparison?
P.s. What tyres are on that CBR? I'm 3,000 miles in on OEM tyres, and still dread going out in the rain! (Which is a bit of a problem, because I live in Scotland.)
Sounds great on the flyby
Akrapovic has no cat but sc has the cat on,I think the sound with an air filter and no cat at the sc,the sound will be a lot better!!!Akrapovic still has the best sound so far!!!
Does it pop when you downshift?
Hi Dan, dB killer remove?
Sounds great. Really smooth
Mantaps..love sound😮😮
What does mantap mean lol
@@hathaway.1166 mantap is Indonesia language that mean "very good"
How about the titanium one?
Nice one Dan. 👍
Is this video with the baffle in and did you need to tune the bike or did it run fine seeing it is a catback exhaust.
With the DB Killer in as per the description. No tuning needed. :)
Is it can remove db killer. Thank you so much
Yes but it is very difficult!
Thank you ^^
Sounds great! Is there a removable baffle with this system?
In theory yes, but it's pretty well welded in there!
db-Killer installed?
With kat and Db Killer ?
Nice comparison mate - wan't expecting anything else :) How does the SC system compare to the Akrapovic one? Which one would you go for? Thanks!
The Akra I had didn't have a cat or baffle so that added a lot of noise. They are both great, depends what look you prefer. Personally I've always liked traditional side mounted exhausts.
@@Englishbikerdan Thanks for your reply! I had an SC Project SC1-R for my previous bike (CB500F) and that was really nice. But for the current bike (same as yours) I want to stick to the OEM look (therefore i prefer how the Akra system looks) but ultimately it's of course about how it sounds. If I get the Akra it'll probably be with a cat and (maybe) also baffle. Anyway, drive safe and thanks for the great videos on your channel!
@@ultimuneuron Welcome and thanks for watching. Yeah the Akra is more OEM like as it's underneath and that was a good move by Akrapovic. Without the baffle it's so loud and with the baffle it was a little too quiet for me. Felt like it needed something in between. I've actually damaged my hearing because of loud pipes (tinitus) so going to a quieter pipe is a good thing for me.
IT IS DIFFICULT TO REMOVE THE DB KILLER?
Yes, it was for me.
damn the SOUND though, holy shit.
How does it compare to your Akrapovic Dan? Are you going to take the Db killer?
It's quieter due to it having a cat. I've been unable to remove the dB killer so far. Will need to drill out the bolt and not sure I can be bothered tbh. It's a lovely sound as is.
@@Englishbikerdan I was under the impression that the Akrapovic had a Cat. That's what the dealer told me. It is bloody loud with the baffle out though! .
@@kb34958 The official exhaust for this bike is a road legal system with a carbon cap. The Akra I have is the exhaust for the CB650F but I didn't purchase the cat as thay was extra. It was far too loud without the DB killer in reality. No wonder my ears are still ringing after riding with that Akra for 2,000 miles around Europe!
How can i remove the db killer at this exhaust?
With great difficulty. It took me about 3 hours with drilling, cutting. Not sure it was worth it honestly.
Hi Dan, comparing the CB650R to the MT07, to the 790 Duke, how do the seating positions compare? I know the MT is more upright than the CB, but what about the duke?
I've not ridden the 790 in quite a while but from memory it felt a little more upright than the CB650R. The MT07 was the most comfortable bike out of those 3 though.
Did u remove the db-killer?
How loud is the SC Project Exhaust? In Switzerland we have a restriction about the maximum volume of a motorcycle:/
SC project exhausts for this bike since are road legal, it have the same dB's as stock, even SC feels louder, but when u measure it, it's the same
Sounds so good for a legal exhaust! I’ll gonna Test ride it soon but I’m scared it will be too uncomfortable having quite long legs and being 6.1(187cm). I’m gonna testride the new z900 too, it’s pretty cheap here new for 9000€
I am 6'5 and I own this bike, you will be fine...
Hi, how does it compare to the sc1-r? Please I need this information
I've no idea, sorry.
Hi Dan, is it possible to remove the internal catalyst converter between the header pipes and the end can or is it welded?
It's welded in. But I do have an angle grinder..... 😁
@@Englishbikerdan Yeah... can't wait to watch the video without it and listen the sound 🤙
That sounds nice but a bit too quiet sounding to justify the expense, was the noise from the aka taking its toll on your senses lol
It's much louder than the video can portray.
@@Englishbikerdan
Is the SC Project louder than the akra?
Do both exhaust systems have an E number? so are they legal in the EU?
@@Mas-ic8bw No but the Akra was a race system and not legal. The SC project is Euro 4 legal.
@@Englishbikerdan
as far as I understand correctly, the akra is actually for the CBR650f so is the akra a racing line with the manufacturer number S-H6R12-HAFT? and does the exhaust fit without problems?
@@Mas-ic8bw Yeah that's the correct model number. My Akra have doesn't have a cat or dB killer though so it's essentially a a race system.
Is it worth upgrading?
For sound, yes.
which of the 3 exhausts you have installed do you prefer and why please?
SC Project. It's cheaper than the Akra without sacrificing on quality, it's fully road legal and still sounds good. Not too loud but better than stock.
You don't rate the Black Widow then as it's much cheaper than both of these an fits underneath which I prefer?
@@Englishbikerdan Hey Dan. Since having an older akra fitted to my euro 5 2021 cbr and it giving an engine light I'm having to rethink. Which model Sc project exhaust do you have an would you recommend it? I think SC do a euro 5 road legal option if I'm correct. Any suggestions on where to buy one?
Thanks mate!
@@Englishbikerdan sorry just to supplement my last q - I also have slight tinnitus, would you say this exhaust gives a decent noise with the baffle in?
@@garyphillips4177No I wouldn't recommend that brand.
Have you mapped/tuned the bike? Doesn't sound like it's running too lean..
As it has a cat it's pretty much running OEM. Or close to it at least. It was a little lean with the Akra race system but the flat spot seems to be gone running this one.
@@Englishbikerdan whoa hold up! It's got cat and still sounds that nice? Not bad...
Tbh it looks a lot better than the (imo kind of ugly) akra.
@@ON-te9qf Cat and a baffle! It would be pretty loud without those I think!
Why you didnt buy the sc project sc1R, do you know the differences?
I was lucky enough that SC Project sent me this exhaust for review. The SC1R is made to look similar to their race systems used in WSB championship. It's still Euro 4 Road legal but looks racier.
Any tuning or remap needed for the after market pipe?
None needed 👍
A video btw akra and sc would be nice. Aso if u could remove the db-killer. Thanks!
It would be unfair as the Akra had no cat. Still, I'll probably do it. Tried removing the dB killer and threaded the bolt. 😕
is the bike still smooth with this SC pipe? and do we need to remap the ECU?
Yes, still smooth and no remap required.
EnglishBikerDan Thanks mate! I love your videos, but it would be great if you can add more information like that in your videos.
Is the db killer removable???
Or is it welded?
Its welded
Love it, I would add oregano and a beef oxo cube
Is the Sc have a db killer?
It does yes.
Sounds OK, considering.
Damit Dan, I don't need another bike right now!
This isn't helping :(
Of course you do 😂👍
@@Englishbikerdan well...... that's all the peer pressure I needed.
Sounds like my 19 Cbr500r is going to have a big brother 😬
@@Godeepgts11 Nice! I need to ride the CBR500R. They look so good.
@@Englishbikerdan Well if you ever make it to New York, you would be more than welcome to take out the 500R along with my delta integrale if you do desired :)
Perfect!!!!)))👍
This sc project or the new akra with the carbon end ? Both legal, both awesome quality , but how about performance and sound ?? That's the question 😋 Have anyone heard them from close ? Not from video xd
Hi Dan, that’s the better looking system , in my opinion, love the deep sound without being to loud. I’m thinking of trying to get one of these for my r650r during this lockdown, something to tinker with. Did you have to do anything electronic wise. (Not really up on this side, would have to be a dealer thing if needed for me) or is it simply install and ride ? I’m not worried about performance from it, just love the styling and sound. Keep up the great videos mate, always a pleasure to watch, cheers, Phil
Thanks Phil. Install and ride buddy! No remap needed as it's got a cat and I'm not noticing any flat spots (other than the one that's there as stock). In fact it's improved throttle reponse I think. The Akra was louder but that probably needed a remap to get the most out of it.
Brilliant, thanks for that Dan. Seeing as the holiday is now cancelled might have to cheer myself up and order one ! Looking forward to part two of the Nurburgring video...keep up the vids mate, cheers for now.
Oye bro si le hace ese escape a mi moto cb 190
I still think that the stock exhaust looks so clean cut, that I won't be tempted away from that until someone comes out with something similar. And before anyone mentions akrapovic 🤢🤮
Stock looks great. Just a bit too hoover like for me.
Hey mate , i know a guy that can modify the stock exhaust (He removes the catalyst but doesn't touch anything else so you keep the same design) If you are interested i can send you his facebook page
@@julien_5049 I'd be grateful for that. 👍
@@Englishbikerdan facebook.com/Escapes-Escorpiao-192108710853255/
Here you go ! :) There is a video on his page where he shows how it sounds
@@julien_5049 Looks like a great solution! I'm very rusty in Portuguese (don't speak it). Does he make the part replacing the catalyst himself?
I think Akrapovic better sound than SC ,but SC good looking also..
Yes!!!!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻😂😂
Sounds fruity !! So how much and where from ??!!
Link in the description good sir. Around £800.
the sc project sc-r is so much better
Tbh the black widow is better imo.
I'm afraid you are mistaken.
@@Englishbikerdan That's actually nice to hear bcs I'm probably getting the SC instead of the BW because of the EU homologation which is mandatory in italy, which SC has and BW doesn't. You've heard them both first hand, so I really do hope you're right. Hearing the exhaust live and from a video is completely different, you can't feel the sound vibrations through the video etc.
That's my main reason for the SC. Fully legal and still sounds great. Black Widow are still good BUT they are built to a price and suffer in terms of quality.
Akrapovic sounds better :D
It's louder for sure but then no cat or DB on the Akra.
@@Englishbikerdan That's the point :D