Especially at T1 after a restart. Hopefully they examine this incident to see if anything could be done better, as a second or two can make all the difference. Not about tearing down race control or those who volunteer for the event
Two flips in two races back to back. Similar wreck, and teammates. Thats quite frightening to be honest. Thank God and Indycar for that halo. It has done wonders for the drivers.
4:58 see the yellow flag from pourchaire's onboard is displayed just in front of the car ahead of him. Spinout happens, someone has to see it and comprehend what happens (takes time), must then contact race control and speak words into radio (takes time) to race control informing them of yellow being needed at certain location, race control needs to comprehend and speak words into radio (takes time) to track side officials in affected area to display yellow flag (takes time), track side official needs to comprehend and physically put flag out of hole through barrier fencing and start waving it (takes time). These cars are travelling at extremely high speeds down a straightaway and are focussed on the approaching corner (even though flag was before the car in front of pourchaire"s there is likely no way that driver would have even registered it being there. There was zero chance that a yellow flag could have been displayed to any of the cars ahead of that car (six of which are visible in front before the corner as there simply wasn't enough time in the physical universe we live in.
@@martinprochazka2869 The yellow flags were slow to come out. Watching the Peacock replay, the workers in turn 2 managed to get the green flag out indicating that they were past the crash site before Ericsson even came to a stop beside O'Ward. Had the turn 1 guys been as quick, the yellow flag would have been out in time for at least Seagal and probably Ferrucci. Nothing came up on the steering wheel until after all three cars slammed into the nose of O'Ward's car.
@@martinprochazka2869 If you watch all the onboards closely, you'll see that only Pourchaire had yellows before entering the corner since he was way behind and that's how he could avoid the crash. That is too late from the stewards.
Y’all threw out the caution very fast when Colton Herta made an amazing save at Iowa Race 1 like NASCAR, but did a local yellow and waited for a full course yellow to come out, and then the caution came out after Santino and everybody else were in a huge crash?🤔 Very dangerous, IndyCar. Only in IndyCar 2024, y’all
I’m with you. Watching the LED sign on the outer fence of Turn 2 and - at best - it turned yellow right as Santino got airborne. The flag man still had the green flag out as an upside down Santoochi came skidding to a stop!
@@yorkmartin8569 they were def late on the yellow both full course and waving yellow at the preceding station, but the flag station we see is doing the right thing--flags only signal what's after him so it's green when it's clear past him and he puts the yellow out once ferrucci's car skids past
I'm a corner Marshall with 37 mostly volunteer years of experience. So you're saying it was some kind of conspiracy? The yellow flag Marshall is farther down towards start .you won't see them on any video and yes it takes a few seconds
@@JamesCook-u9h see it as a compliment, because people seem to believe you guys usually have some kind of superhero reflexes that can bring flags out instantly as crashes happen.
it's yellow as Pourchaire passes the LED board before T1 (4:57), as he turns in, FCY lights are on his steering wheel, and when he exits the turn Ferucci is still airborne. people who claim the yellow came out too "slow" should apply to be a marshall, because clearly they have lightning reflexes.
@@Marcel_be Crucially those involved in the crash had no warning whatsoever, and Theo was able to slow because of it. Drivers, teams, and fans asking the series to examine if something can be improved in that scenario is not only beneficial, it is essential.
Upon closer inspection of the various onboards, the yellow flag was physically starting to be displayed in less than two seconds of O'Ward spinning out by the track side official ahead of the corner at turn 1. Someone needs to see the spin and comprehend the potential danger, relay that information and location to race control, who then needs to relay that to the appropriate track side official, who then has to physically respond. Less than two seconds is pretty darn quick in the real world. Watch in slow motion Siegel's onboard from 3:51 and the flag is just starting to be put through the barrier fencing as he passes at about 3:52 and he hits O'Ward at about 3:55. Siegel was about 7.5 seconds behind O'Ward at the last timing interval, and with hard breaking for the corner by O'Ward while Siegel is on full throttle down the straight away that interval (gap) would be down to about 4.5-5 seconds. From the spot of the displaying flag was 3 seconds to impact which leaves a 1.5-2 second response time from spin to flag. Edit: Do better Bryan. Do a LOT better. 😉
@@andrewsokol2717 Gavin Ward mentioned that the spotters’ vantage point from the top of Hotel X leaves this area between T1 & T2 blind, hence no warnings. Definitely something the series may need to rectify, whether with additional spotters, a video feed, etc.
@3:44 Do they not notify drivers behind that there's a big wreck up ahead???? Siegel's pit manager/engineers could have warned him ahead of time "BIG PILEUP AHEAD CAUTION" or something. But no, he had no idea and was still driving full throttle into the corner. Seems like a lot of damage to the drivers and cars could've been avoided.
There are many tracks in the IndyCar Series that are not suitable for racing. They shouldn't race on a track that has seven or eight times yellow cautions. Especially Detroit and Nashville.
0:20 This is when the flags to the right should have started waving. Just as the back of his car started to break loose. The cars directly behind him saw him spin and avoided him. All the cars that crashed never got a flag. Then you can see cars start to tighten up to avoid the accident because they Finally got the flag and could slow down. 2:15 That's when the flags should have been vigorously waved. 3:23 He entered the corner offline. That should have been the first indication to the flaggers that he would lose it. You can see the car behind him turn in tighter. 3:50 You can just see the yellow at this point. Only the cars behind this driver would have seen it but way too late for them to react. None of those cars in front of him saw the spin or the flag. 4:28 The person in that tower should have had a yellow flag and should be facing down the track at that corner, not watching the race up the track. 4:32 No yellow flag. 4:58 Finally, yellow flags. Notice how it is being waved horizontally. It should be waved vertically so the drivers can see every square inch. 5:00 You can see the difference in car control they have IF they get to see a flag.
a simple device that knows when the car is spinning or not going at normal speeds could instantly alert teams drivers and marshal that something is happening, and this could easily be improved by many tools and so on. just throwing out there, that is if safety is their 1st priority
After the spin and first contact there was still a green flag out at the end of the straight. They need to rely on a light system rather than sleepy flagmen on the street circuits.
3 cars all hit that stopped car like they were driving with the their eyes closed. Compare this to Formula 2 driver Isack Hadjar, who avoided collision in the tunnel at Monaco in a split second, with next to "no" advance visual warning.
Fyc was called as soon as the accident happened,,,Red flag seconds later the safety of these cars and drivers are second to none I love seeing crashes ,we must applaud all the safety regulations and all the people who work on track and off track,To all drivers and teams who are involved in making indycar enjoyable and safe..
Except it wasn't called quickly by Indycar standards. At Iowa, Herta got sideways and saved it but they were so quick to call it that the yellow came out without an accident. Here, the onboard camera shows that they didn't go full course yellow until Ferrucci had already hit him some 5 seconds after the crash. Ironically, the quickest response was from the turn 2 marshals who put out the green to indicate that they were past the crash site.
I've never seen that happen before on a temporary city street road course.............but really everytime. This is not safe racing. Temporary tracks are stupid, Roger. Roger, stop doing this. How many have died through the years?
Street circuits can be as safe as dedicated tracks. For racing, the last deaths I can recall............Dan Wheldon (oval-dedicated track), Dale (oval-dedicated track), Jules Bianchi (Suzuka-dedicated track), Justin Wilson (Pocono-dedicated track), Hubert (Spa-dedicated track), etc. Show me one death (I'm not trying to beat on you here it's just a difference of opinion) on a street or temp circuit in the past 30 years. I don't follow a lot of different series, but I truly am trying to think of one.
@@backwardog1 Thanks. I hadn't even heard of him before. I was more into NASCAR at that time and didn't really watch open wheel racing until the 2000's.
@@sdsmt99Flipping over and sliding upside down has nothing to do with the purpose of the halo or aeroscreen. They provide two main areas of protection… 1. Help prevent flying objects from entering the cockpit and 2. When the vehicle is rolling or airborne, if it impacts something other than a large and flat perpendicular object it offers protection from crushing impacts to the driver's head, neck, and spine that "roll hoops" simply cannot. In this instance, Ferrucci's car landed upside down on the back corner of Fittipaldi's car 0:30 and the aeroscreen took the brunt of the impact. If the aeroscreen was not there, it would have been the top of Ferrucci'd head and then neck that contacted first before the cockpit shell. These are the specific types of incidents that this protection is for, and i can guarantee you if it had not been implemented Ferrucci would not have just hoped out of the car unscathed like he did. Pause the video, put it on .25 speed, go to the timestamp 0:30 and press play. And watch what actually occurred and see the aeroscreen do the job that no roll hoop would.
A third of the field crashed and blocking the track. What do you think boys? Red flag? Dunno, we got a while before what's left comes around, oh, okay why not, throw the red. Total Canuck clown show.
Having Been A Indy Car Racing Fan Way Back When It Was Called CART , Championship Auto Racing Teams , It Was My Wish That All The Cars That Start A Race Finish The Race , I`m A Fan Of All The Open Wheel Drives , & I Do Have My Favorites , Thankfully This Crash Happened At A Slower Part Of The Track , Instead Of A Much Faster Part , The Outcome Could Have Been A Lot Worse. The IRL Cars Are So Close To Being A Complete Survivability Package / Machine , God Willing That Goal Will Be Achieved.
3:32 that critical moment of letting go of the steering wheel that saved his wrist from being broken.
yeah u r taught to do that
He was about to go for the engine cutoff too then was just like "nope not gonna do that" at the last second.
Siegel hit so hard it ripped his helment hose out
Siegel seemingly so lucky not to get critically injured from that.
From O'Ward spinning to Ferrucci hitting is about 5 seconds. Feels like there needs to be a way to warn drivers more quickly than that.
Solution: yellow flag.
Especially at T1 after a restart. Hopefully they examine this incident to see if anything could be done better, as a second or two can make all the difference. Not about tearing down race control or those who volunteer for the event
@@vectro4284solution: red flag
@@vectro4284 something quicker. because that came out right as Ericsson got caught out. about 2 seconds in.
I agree. The flags/lights can only tell you so much
McLaren was hired to create launching ramps in the middle of races
I think McLaren's new launch ramp is sponsored by TRACKMANIA TURBO.
“I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw a red flag for this”
This is the comment I was looking for. 😂
I was surprised we didn't see a red flag sooner :P
@@cikameor even 3 minutes earlier.😂
Turn 2 is where the action is and I saw this crash live!
They say it in the video, but all these safety innovations let the drivers simply climb out and talk to the safety crews. Its amazing
True, although roll hoops and halo weren't IndyCar's innovations, despite what the commentators said.
@tompw3141 think both are F1 but Indy car got on that train
Pourchaire sounded like the TTC Subway PA System back here! From TO, Peace Out!!
Two flips in two races back to back. Similar wreck, and teammates. Thats quite frightening to be honest. Thank God and Indycar for that halo. It has done wonders for the drivers.
"All Angles" should include Ferrucci.
Indycar does not have cameras on every car for some reason. Kind of ridiculous at this point. Makes it seem a lot more amateurish compared to F1.
That's the thing his car actually did have a camera. He posted his POV to his Instagram I think
All the cars have an onboard camera for private use of the team. Apparently only a few of them are for the TV.
@@MrDjcucumberslice
@@TheA53ford Yeah it's on his Instagram with Lenny Kravitz's "Fly Away" as background music.
@@MrDjcucumberslice No one really cares tbh
No yellow flags anywhere. A complete failure by the safety marshals.
There were yellow flags but just like in F1 everyone seems to basically ignore them to not lose ground
@@martinprochazka2869 I saw one yellow flag come out well after the pile up started. Way too late then. Gotta do better than that.
4:58 see the yellow flag from pourchaire's onboard is displayed just in front of the car ahead of him.
Spinout happens, someone has to see it and comprehend what happens (takes time), must then contact race control and speak words into radio (takes time) to race control informing them of yellow being needed at certain location, race control needs to comprehend and speak words into radio (takes time) to track side officials in affected area to display yellow flag (takes time), track side official needs to comprehend and physically put flag out of hole through barrier fencing and start waving it (takes time).
These cars are travelling at extremely high speeds down a straightaway and are focussed on the approaching corner (even though flag was before the car in front of pourchaire"s there is likely no way that driver would have even registered it being there. There was zero chance that a yellow flag could have been displayed to any of the cars ahead of
that car (six of which are visible in front before the corner as there simply wasn't enough time in the physical universe we live in.
@@martinprochazka2869 The yellow flags were slow to come out. Watching the Peacock replay, the workers in turn 2 managed to get the green flag out indicating that they were past the crash site before Ericsson even came to a stop beside O'Ward. Had the turn 1 guys been as quick, the yellow flag would have been out in time for at least Seagal and probably Ferrucci. Nothing came up on the steering wheel until after all three cars slammed into the nose of O'Ward's car.
@@martinprochazka2869 If you watch all the onboards closely, you'll see that only Pourchaire had yellows before entering the corner since he was way behind and that's how he could avoid the crash. That is too late from the stewards.
Bruh no onboard of Santino ferucci
Santino posted an on-board from his car on his Instagram.
I BETTER SEE DAT
@@andrewsokol2717 thank you finally Santino Ferrucci posted an onboard that was crazy
Y’all threw out the caution very fast when Colton Herta made an amazing save at Iowa Race 1 like NASCAR, but did a local yellow and waited for a full course yellow to come out, and then the caution came out after Santino and everybody else were in a huge crash?🤔
Very dangerous, IndyCar. Only in IndyCar 2024, y’all
The FCY couldn't have been out quicker it was out before everyone else got in the crash
I’m with you. Watching the LED sign on the outer fence of Turn 2 and - at best - it turned yellow right as Santino got airborne. The flag man still had the green flag out as an upside down Santoochi came skidding to a stop!
@@yorkmartin8569 they were def late on the yellow both full course and waving yellow at the preceding station, but the flag station we see is doing the right thing--flags only signal what's after him so it's green when it's clear past him and he puts the yellow out once ferrucci's car skids past
I'm a corner Marshall with 37 mostly volunteer years of experience. So you're saying it was some kind of conspiracy? The yellow flag Marshall is farther down towards start .you won't see them on any video and yes it takes a few seconds
@@JamesCook-u9h see it as a compliment, because people seem to believe you guys usually have some kind of superhero reflexes that can bring flags out instantly as crashes happen.
Marshal running out with his back to the track makes all my bones hurt as an event organiser
Commentator at the beginning actually pronounces Toronto correctly. good on him.
Where were the flags? Per the video, looks like the yellow flags came out late.
Theo saying, thank you very much guys!
Holy moly! That was INSANE!
Pato's achievement unlocked: random lobby in Indy
O'Ward doing "JET CAR STUNTS" all over again.😂
Glad that none of the drivers were seriously injured. Respect for those who made these cars so safe.
it's yellow as Pourchaire passes the LED board before T1 (4:57), as he turns in, FCY lights are on his steering wheel, and when he exits the turn Ferucci is still airborne.
people who claim the yellow came out too "slow" should apply to be a marshall, because clearly they have lightning reflexes.
@@Marcel_be Crucially those involved in the crash had no warning whatsoever, and Theo was able to slow because of it. Drivers, teams, and fans asking the series to examine if something can be improved in that scenario is not only beneficial, it is essential.
Halo saved Pato Ward there for sure
Wow the Pato onboard was brutal! Three big hits in about one second.
The halo saved Ferrucci's life
not really
@@thtautisticgamer it 100% saved kirkwood at Iowa tho
Impossible to tell, but you rather have something like that than not have it
People love saying this after every crash
Luck saved ferrucci's life
Inexcusable to not have a yellow flag in turn 1. Legit unbelievable. Look at Nolan go in there, with ZERO idea.
Do better Indycar. Do a LOT better.
Upon closer inspection of the various onboards, the yellow flag was physically starting to be displayed in less than two seconds of O'Ward spinning out by the track side official ahead of the corner at turn 1. Someone needs to see the spin and comprehend the potential danger, relay that information and location to race control, who then needs to relay that to the appropriate track side official, who then has to physically respond. Less than two seconds is pretty darn quick in the real world.
Watch in slow motion Siegel's onboard from 3:51 and the flag is just starting to be put through the barrier fencing as he passes at about 3:52 and he hits O'Ward at about 3:55. Siegel was about 7.5 seconds behind O'Ward at the last timing interval, and with hard breaking for the corner by O'Ward while Siegel is on full throttle down the straight away that interval (gap) would be down to about 4.5-5 seconds. From the spot of the displaying flag was 3 seconds to impact which leaves a 1.5-2 second response time from spin to flag.
Edit: Do better Bryan. Do a LOT better. 😉
Shido Itsuka's crash mirroring Sting Ray Robb at Iowa. I thought Shido-san's car flew into the fence.
A tire barrier on the track, just ridiculous.
The irony of “Seagull” “flying” is not lost on me 😂
Yes, I’m aware it’s Siegel
Can Indycar please get on upgrading these radios so we can actually understand anyone? Maybe a few cans and some string?
Was that Santino's spotter at 1:13 that said "sorry about that"? Sounds like he may have not been paying attention at a key moment.
@@andrewsokol2717 Gavin Ward mentioned that the spotters’ vantage point from the top of Hotel X leaves this area between T1 & T2 blind, hence no warnings. Definitely something the series may need to rectify, whether with additional spotters, a video feed, etc.
The amazing thing is Grosjean was driving in the race but wasn't involved in the incident.
Exactly the same thing happened on my HotWheels track!😮
@3:44 Do they not notify drivers behind that there's a big wreck up ahead???? Siegel's pit manager/engineers could have warned him ahead of time "BIG PILEUP AHEAD CAUTION" or something. But no, he had no idea and was still driving full throttle into the corner. Seems like a lot of damage to the drivers and cars could've been avoided.
There are many tracks in the IndyCar Series that are not suitable for racing.
They shouldn't race on a track that has seven or eight times yellow cautions.
Especially Detroit and Nashville.
safety has improved a lot for Indy Car, thanks to people behind the scenes and God! 🙏
6 seconds after the initial crash ..and not a single yellow flag ..
0:20 This is when the flags to the right should have started waving. Just as the back of his car started to break loose. The cars directly behind him saw him spin and avoided him. All the cars that crashed never got a flag. Then you can see cars start to tighten up to avoid the accident because they Finally got the flag and could slow down.
2:15 That's when the flags should have been vigorously waved.
3:23 He entered the corner offline. That should have been the first indication to the flaggers that he would lose it. You can see the car behind him turn in tighter.
3:50 You can just see the yellow at this point. Only the cars behind this driver would have seen it but way too late for them to react. None of those cars in front of him saw the spin or the flag.
4:28 The person in that tower should have had a yellow flag and should be facing down the track at that corner, not watching the race up the track.
4:32 No yellow flag.
4:58 Finally, yellow flags. Notice how it is being waved horizontally. It should be waved vertically so the drivers can see every square inch.
5:00 You can see the difference in car control they have IF they get to see a flag.
Flying indycars are back
Where were the yellow flags and lights? Panel was off before the turn, what happened there? OMG this could’ve been way worse….
That was a small "third of the field" though.
a simple device that knows when the car is spinning or not going at normal speeds could instantly alert teams drivers and marshal that something is happening, and this could easily be improved by many tools and so on. just throwing out there, that is if safety is their 1st priority
After the spin and first contact there was still a green flag out at the end of the straight. They need to rely on a light system rather than sleepy flagmen on the street circuits.
3:32 OH BABY A TRIPLE! OH YEAH!
This are the situations that made IndyCar look stuck 20 years in the past
Yellow flags were showed before the corner, drivers should have yielded and slowed down a bit.
- I blame them.
3 cars all hit that stopped car like they were driving with the their eyes closed. Compare this to Formula 2 driver Isack Hadjar, who avoided collision in the tunnel at Monaco in a split second, with next to "no" advance visual warning.
are the marshals asleep? What's a yellow flag? Yellow means speed up right? /s
Fyc was called as soon as the accident happened,,,Red flag seconds later the safety of these cars and drivers are second to none I love seeing crashes ,we must applaud all the safety regulations and all the people who work on track and off track,To all drivers and teams who are involved in making indycar enjoyable and safe..
Except it wasn't called quickly by Indycar standards. At Iowa, Herta got sideways and saved it but they were so quick to call it that the yellow came out without an accident. Here, the onboard camera shows that they didn't go full course yellow until Ferrucci had already hit him some 5 seconds after the crash. Ironically, the quickest response was from the turn 2 marshals who put out the green to indicate that they were past the crash site.
i guess there iz no wreck button on the wel
Indycar should increase the downforce level for performance and safety reasons.
3:49 No yellow flags ?
More and more an issue that yellow flags are being ignored. Rather stay on the throttle than be safe……
There were no yellow flags at the time those cars came through.
@@gturner38 can’t tell from the video unfortunately
where were the yellow flags!?!!?
Ferrucci must've been checking his cellphone
Cant imagine this happening in f1.
There its much quicker with flags
Kevin Lee is great.
I just can't wait until we're freed from Screamin Lee Diffie, The Never Has Been, and the Clown Prince of Ontario.
They’re not like us!!!!!
What kind of stupid bullshit marshalling is that. No sign of a yellow flag before the corner.
Whats going to happen when zero emissions kicks in , are they going electric?
No wonder F1 moved to Montreal.
I've never seen that happen before on a temporary city street road course.............but really everytime. This is not safe racing. Temporary tracks are stupid, Roger. Roger, stop doing this. How many have died through the years?
Street circuits can be as safe as dedicated tracks.
For racing, the last deaths I can recall............Dan Wheldon (oval-dedicated track), Dale (oval-dedicated track), Jules Bianchi (Suzuka-dedicated track), Justin Wilson (Pocono-dedicated track), Hubert (Spa-dedicated track), etc. Show me one death (I'm not trying to beat on you here it's just a difference of opinion) on a street or temp circuit in the past 30 years. I don't follow a lot of different series, but I truly am trying to think of one.
@@TeeRollss Jeff Krosnoff 1996.
@@backwardog1 Thanks. I hadn't even heard of him before. I was more into NASCAR at that time and didn't really watch open wheel racing until the 2000's.
Driving in Palm coast.
I think Ericson hit us.
0:26
Looks like wherever Zak isn't... the team succeeds. Just sayin'
furrrootchi thought he was riding a skateboard
Do yellow flags actually mean anything
6 cars hit the crashed cars before yellow flags were deployed.
You can't park there
"I wouldn't be surprised if there is a red flag" - thanks Captain Obvious
That’s why I don’t like low noses..
Imagine George Russel in one of those cars. “AAAAAAAA PLEASE RED FLAG PLEAAASSEE HURRY! THEY’RE COMING! TELL LEWIS I LOVE HIM!”
i think ericsson hit them
really ugly cars!
Windy-cars
ALL THE STEWARDS SHOULD BE BANNED FOR LIFE! How about warning drivers of the danger in the turn. Major fubar!!!
Those who criticize the HALO as inadequate, think again. The HALO saved Santino’s life.
Cars flipped over all the time and drivers were saved by simple roll hoops.
You Halo people are something else.
It is an aeroscreen
@@sdsmt99Flipping over and sliding upside down has nothing to do with the purpose of the halo or aeroscreen. They provide two main areas of protection…
1. Help prevent flying objects from entering the cockpit and
2. When the vehicle is rolling or airborne, if it impacts something other than a large and flat perpendicular object it offers protection from crushing impacts to the driver's head, neck, and spine that "roll hoops" simply cannot.
In this instance, Ferrucci's car landed upside down on the back corner of Fittipaldi's car 0:30 and the aeroscreen took the brunt of the impact. If the aeroscreen was not there, it would have been the top of Ferrucci'd head and then neck that contacted first before the cockpit shell. These are the specific types of incidents that this protection is for, and i can guarantee you if it had not been implemented Ferrucci would not have just hoped out of the car unscathed like he did.
Pause the video, put it on .25 speed, go to the timestamp 0:30 and press play. And watch what actually occurred and see the aeroscreen do the job that no roll hoop would.
Nope. The car's rollover structures did. I think the halo and aeroscreen are great but this wasn't its moment.
Thanks Pato 🙄
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A third of the field crashed and blocking the track. What do you think boys? Red flag? Dunno, we got a while before what's left comes around, oh, okay why not, throw the red. Total Canuck clown show.
Having Been A Indy Car Racing Fan Way Back When It Was Called CART , Championship Auto Racing Teams , It Was My Wish That All The Cars That Start A Race Finish The Race , I`m A Fan Of All The Open Wheel Drives , & I Do Have My Favorites , Thankfully This Crash Happened At A Slower Part Of The Track , Instead Of A Much Faster Part , The Outcome Could Have Been A Lot Worse. The IRL Cars Are So Close To Being A Complete Survivability Package / Machine , God Willing That Goal Will Be Achieved.
I think Ericson hit us