Cycle of Losing: The Failed Rebuild of the New York Giants…
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- 2023 has been a rough year for the New York Giants and their fans. In this video, I give my analysis on what went wrong with this franchise since their 2016 playoff appearance and what they should’ve done differently…
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Where did the Giants go wrong?
Not waiting on Justin Herbert's draft to draft a QB and signing Galloday. Honestly I Preferred shurmer over that bum Judge. You also can't have a bad offensive line for 10 out of the last 12 years. Trading odell leaving a Duke QB and an older Golden Tate to throw to.
@@MoreNYGPleaseGiants absolutely won the Odell trade easily. It was the right move. Plus he was a headcase/diva, you don't want that for your rookie QB.
@@MoreNYGPleaseHerbert going back hurt.
Offensive line coach
@peteg2715 yall still stuck on that.
Every year since 2011, when someone asks me, “how do you think the Giants will do this year,” I give them the same answer. “If the line can block, we have a chance. I don’t know if it’s a complete inability to draft OL talent, an inability to coach the talent, or a combination of the two but that unit has consistently stunk for THIRTEEN YEARS!!!
If you can’t block, you can’t win.
This!!!!
It's seems like you can draft a great player and once he puts on a Giants uniform, he really sucks. Maybe it's a curse? Maybe Jimmy Hoffa really IS buried under the stadium?
U said it brother ❤
People say they held on to Eli too long, but I say they ruined the last few years of Eli’s career and possibly shortened it because of crap o-lines. And hasn’t gotten better since. Best teams of the past 10 or even 20 years across the league all had stellar offensive lines - SB Giants, 90s Cowboys, Brady’s Patriots, Favre and Rodgers Packers, even past couple of years of Eagles. All nothing special without those lines. Especially important as the league moves to favor the passing game. No blocking=no passing game
@@billleeee I was going to say, when those teams with Eli had a chance people focused on the defense specifically the nascar package with that front 4. But people I think never gave that offensive line the credit it deserved. Not only did they give a young, learning QB a chance to win games but they often blasted holes with a physical run game. Their inability to reload either via FA trades or the draft on the line has set that team up for yearly failure. And they aren't talented enough on the coaching staff to circumvent that like a New England situation during a significant chapter of the Brady era.
Arguably the greatest coaching job by their rival, Joe Gibbs with Redskins, circumvented the importance of the QB position due to the dominance of their line. Their other rival, Dallas like you said, 90's featured the Great Wall of Dallas. The Eagles line of recent years. All 4 teams in the NFC East owe a tremendous amount to the hog mollies up front for their franchises best and most storied years. To see New York struggle to put together competent pass/run block units on a year to year basis is frustrating as a NFL fan who saw what they could be at their best.
How was that Kenny Goliday signing not mentioned in this video? That alone should have been reason #7.
The Kenny Goliday signing needs its own video, haha.
Or Nate Solder?
He's but one of many horrible contracts. Jones, Golladay, Solder, Campbell, etc etc. They're all doo doo.
That's not the reason why. Good teams bounce back from bad signings. The Giants never had a bounce to begin with.
OBJ resign/extenison and then traded didnt make sense.
Where the Giants went wrong is with a position that can't get fired and almost always escapes accountability- with the owner John Mara. Mara, I believe, held onto Eli 2 years too long probably in to get that consecutive steak record and perhaps hoping for a little magic left in the tank for one more run. Then he hires Gettlemen who didn't have a great reputation as a GM. He then okayed the Jones pick probably because he looked and acted like Eli. Mara is too old-fashioned and conservative while the rest of the league has evolved. Like, can you imagine Caleb Williams playing QB for the Giants?
I will go further and say Mara IS the reason DJ was drafted by the Giants and he is a reason he was resigned
Thank you that is so TRUE and these TV sport guy always go around that issue.
Drafted yes, resigned, probably not. The alternatives were zilch - and the deal was clearly designed to escape after year two. That doesn't sound like a contract an overreaching owner would have wanted.@@dannyduds1058
You can also thank that punk for taunting flags
Who are you referring to?@@phillysoldier
Is simple the offensive line is a nightmare need to address this issue. The giants have been rebuilding the offensive line for 10 years
No. It’s definitely not that simple.
It just seems like the line ie aweful from the sceme we play. Refuse to pass the ball deep. And hold the ball to long. When ppl leave they are great. Also Taylor provee this theory.
Yeah it's been the biggest problem for the last ten years.
I wouldn't say Robinson or Hyatt can be termed disappointments yet. Neither were first rounders, Robinson tore his ACL after showing promise and has looked decent considering who is throwing to him this season, and Hyatt has adapted to the nfl about as well and fans could have hoped. Obviously Hyatt still needs to develop to become more well rounded but to say he is a disappointment is unserious
yeah those 2 arent even close to be called bad picks, and slayton was a great pick with his consistent production.
Just a terrible nonsense video. This guy just talks to talk and uses a ton of conjecture.
Those two players have been some of the few bright spots on this team. Not their fault that we don’t have a good QB or OL
@@giantsfan714yeah he lost all credibility with this video saying that and that we have “zero young talent” on the roster for fans to be excited for lmfao
Wan'Dale Robinson can be found across the league - he's not at all 'special.' Jalin Hyatt on the other hand could be but we don't know yet.@@Dreaaddy
This started before Eli, they literally wasted his years away till he got too old to keep putting his body on the line and putting the team in his back. They neglected the O line for years knowing they had a pocket qB that was getting old
I actually really like the giants HC and GM. I truly believe they will be okay over the next 5 years.
Your name aside, setbacks happens and no one thought they would even be at .500 to begin with.
That said, what they need to do is to find a new QB or the attempted rebuild will truly be a failure. Plus the o-line still needs work as well.
your name makes this comment funny
@@iamhungey12345 last year was an outlier and their biggest mistake was drinking that kool aid a little too much. This video is ridiculous going back that far. The rebuild began last year and Schoen/Daboll need 4-5 years to see if it’s actually going to work. As long as they don’t Gettleman this thing they should be allowed to see it through.
@@StuckinNOVA Exactly, people seem to forget that Parcell era didn't start off smoothly either and needed more than a year to truly get going.
@@StuckinNOVAbro where have you been when DJ was drafted?
Never fixing the O-Line. That’s where every rebuild should start.
The moment that Eli Manning was benched, in favor of Geno Smith, by Ben McAdoo, we knew that the Giants franchise was screwed. And that was years ago.
People will say drafting a rb 2nd overall was huge mistake.. my argument to that is Saquon is that dude, his rookie year he showed he was worth the hype. Saquon had his best running and catching year as a rookie with Eli 1300 rushing and 730 catching.. I have no doubt had he gotten better qb play after his rookie year he would had McCaffrey numbers. Which leads to where it really went wrong...Since the 2019 nfl draft, when they drafted Daniel mothereffin Jones... He was always a backup at best. He always stank, even in college.
No qb can play behind the worst OL in football….for years!!
The problem is RBs just aren't that valuable anymore. As great as Barkley may be, they could have gotten similar production taking a RB in the 2nd or even 3rd round that year. That draft was stacked with RBs. That being said, had the Giants decided to draft a QB that year, there's a 50-50 chance they would have drafted a bust anyway. Mayfield was off the board, leaving the Giants with 4 options at QB: Josh Allen, Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, and Lamar Jackson, although taking Lamar at #2 overall would have been considered quite a reach at that time. The other 3 were considered better prospects, so they really had only a 33% chance of selecting a QB who actually pans out.
@@billm7035 excuses excuses Eli won the SB in 2011 with worst ranked Oline.. look at rookie cj Stroud his Oline is bad
Saquon got Eli to n the back end of Eli’s career which was mediocre. Then he got to play behind (inconsistent)Danny crimes lol.
Even if you have your best QB, you can’t win games if you don’t have an O-line
Interesting video. You bring up a few good key points about the Giants, but I feel you may have miss some of the reasons why the Giants haven't been successful.
1. You mentioned the turnaround with the coaching staff/front office. On this You are correct, but where at the end of the video you already declared the rebuild was yet another failed one, I argue that this current rebuild was never finished yet. A true rebuild has a new GM, HC and a new quarterback and whole new roster. This is Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll second year here and they are still dealing with clearing out players they want to keep and those that don't fit what they are don't. Last year some are calling a fluke, but I would say it was more of the potential of the success due to good coaching and healthy players being consistent with their play that leas to a good season. That team showed that they can compete with the average teams, beat the really bad one, but the top teams they were still not talented enough to deal with. Going back to my rebuild point if we are being honest, the actual rebuild started back in 2018. The problem was that Dave Gentlemen wanted to both rebuild and compete at the same time, this resulted in overspending on subpar free agents and not focusing on protecting the most valuable asset for any any team, the quarterback.
2. You mentioned that one of the team reasons for losing was the lack of drafting receivers or top receivers. Drafting receivers is important, but again, that is not the main reason. Going all the way back to 2008, Kevin Gilbride the Giants offensive coordinator at the time, warned the front office that the offensive line was get old and injured. Instead of heeding to his warning, they drafted skilled players during the 2009 and beyond years Instead of trying to rebuild the offensive line. Now they did get a few quality players for the line (Justin Pugh, William Beatty) but during Jerry Reese time, he unfortunately didn't do enough to get a solid offensive line for Eli Manning, resulting in his skills deteriorating. Gettlemen repeated the same mistakes his predsuccsor did in both the draft and free agency spending.
3. During the 2016 to 2021, both general managers overspend on free agency, handcuffing the team, preventing them from getting quality free agents and forcing them to let go of good players who could have continued to contribute to the team. One example was a player the Giants got during the infamous Odell Beckham trade, a offensive guard from the Browns who was at the time he was with the Giants, one of their best. But because of salary cap, he was let go to free agency.
4. As I mentioned earlier, drafting was poor during both the Reese and Gettleman years. Most of the roster were made up of players that would either be on a practice squad or not even in football. Gentleman in particular overreacted on a lot of his draft picks. For every Dexter Lawrence, there was a Kadiruos Toney taken. And when he drafted Daniel Jones, he should have seen that the 2019 draft had inferior quarterback talent.
Now I will say there is hope for this team as they right now have a few good pieces here. On defense, there's the tackle Lawrence, Kayvon Thibodeaux, a pass rushers capable of breaking games, something they did not have since letting Jason Pirere Paul go, Michael McFadden a linebacker they got in the later rounds of the draft and their rookie cornerback Banks. They have two cornerstone piece on the offensive line, LT Andrew Thomas and John Michael Smith. They have a speedy rookie receiver in Jalin Hyatt and they still have Saquon Barkley. I honestly believe they do have the right GM/head coach duo that can right the ship, if given time. Joe Schoen has already fixed their salary cap and Brian Daboll can still coach good enough to help the team. With having a high draft pick, the biggest thing that is needed going forward is patience to allow this current regime to finish the rebuild so the Giants can be a successful team and not a one hit wonder. Let's see where they are at the end of the 2024 which will give them three full years to get a nfl quality roster of players to compete.
Bro with all due respect who tf is gonna read all this
@@Athleteforeverr apparently 12 people must have...
@elbori1360 Not to mention how there are those who thinks Kayvon is a bust.
It's ironic regarding WR's...
The Giants beat the Vikings in the playoffs last season,
The Vikings responded by taking Jordan Addison literally one spot before the Giants could get him.
The Giants _desperately_ need an Addison in their WR room, and yet they were left with nothing.
When we get a rookie QB you’re gonna see how much of our WR core’s failure this year was QB play
Very true. I heard that Scheon did have Addison as his fav WR on his board.
Pretty annoying that the Vikes drafted JJ and JA in the last few yrs while we haven’t had a true #1 since OBJ
The New York Giants offensive line has ranked at the bottom of the league every year, for a long time now. It's the reason Eli suddenly looked older, the reason Daniel Jones never got going, and the reason they lost a lot of close games. Even with one of the top receivers in Odell, or one of the top RBs in Saquon, our offense is completely dysfunctional. Injuries (everyone), bad drafting (Flowers etc), bad contracts (Nate Solder etc). Even now it's currently fighting for dead last in the league.
It's never been adequately addressed. Andrew Thomas is the lone bright spot and a critical piece, but injured often. The rookie center looks promising but he was also already out for injury so TBD. Evan Neil... we'll see. We need a core of offensive lineman to gel, and some depth for inevitable injuries beyond Justin Pugh from the couch (who I do love, but isn't the long term answer).
The reason Daniel jones looks bad, is because he is bad.
@@Esciiii10You're the same giants fan who thought Phil Simms and Eli Manning were bad.
@@Dash277 you comparing Daniel jones to Phil Simms and Eli really says it all about you lmao
@@Esciiii10 I'm saying you're part of the mouth breathers that hate every QB. Eli got crap after winning 2 SBs. lmao rotflmao lol bahaha tee hee.
@@Dash277 I didn’t hate Eli. I can actually tell that Eli is good and Daniel is trash. And it’s not because of his o-line and recievers. It’s because HE is horrible.
It has also been a consistent inability of the team to draft, sign, or develop an even marginally competent offensive line. Bad line play has been our Achilles heel for years. It's also bad drafting but not just that, it has been bad drafting in the first round. Flowers, apple, engram, toney, Jones etc.
Can’t rlly be too mad at Engram as he’s been one of the better TEs in the league. They just could never use him right, and didn’t have a TE that could block
The Oline is the main issue
The revisionist history of Evan Engram always makes me laugh. They lined him up in the backfield, as a tight end, in the slot and outside - he dropped too many damn passes. He wasn't tasked with blocking, he was a route running TE and he routinely came up small in big moments.@@kghostthegreat
People say Apple was a bad pick but he’s still in the league playing at a pretty high level lol 😂
@@dgore411
Lol ok…..high level
I believe they forgot about Kenny Goliday
Paying Danny crimes and not getting a line and a real QB is where the giants went wrong
You forgot to include Drafting Daniel Crimes
Gotta be stupid asl
@@dannyduds1058Any potential he has is kinda zapped at this point
@@Kap_NYC potential? He was a projected backup... Exactly what he is
@@dannyduds1058 Daniel Jones hate account is crazy ngl
Forgot I even commented on this video.
You covered it all. I like how you didn’t pile on any players either.
Failure to put together and maintain a decent O-line is probably the biggest failure on offense. Also, I believe it destroyed the development of Daniel Jones. Going forward, replacing him and assembling the O-line are crucial to the team's rebuild.
Those who fail to acknowledge this never liked Daniel Jones in the first place. I watch an awful lot of Eagles, 49ers games - those two QBs would be exceptionally average if they were taking snaps for the Giants.
@@Chalk89I’m not a Giants fan but I always liked Jones. I never understood how he could crucified week after week behind a horrendous offensive line.
It is odd. The problems existed before Daniel yet the fans are pretending things were peachy before his arrival. Facts are, ownership and those involved in personnel failed miserably. It's not something you can just undo in a year or two. It's going to take three to five years to correct the ship.@@Kap_NYC
Yep. I firmly believed DJ was able to be a good-to-very-good QB with the proper supporting cast and the team failed him year after year, and now he's shell-shocked a la David Carr, so we'll never see his ceiling.
Great video I really enjoyed watching it.
In my opinion, what went wrong was the development of Daniel Jones. Yes, A LOT of other factors play into this, but his stunted growth as an NFL QB is on John Mara and his impatience.
They should've kept Pat Shurmur and Mike Shula for the 2020 season, as Jones was their QB. By firing them and hiring Joe Judge and Jason Garrett, we will never know what Jones could've actually become. Think about it, Jones' simple TD/INT numbers are 24/12 in 2019, 11/10 in 2020, 10/7 in 2021, 15/5 in 2022, and 2/6 in 2023. No one knew how to coach Daniel Jones like Pat Shurmur.
Also, if Shurmur was the coach in 2020, and it all went downhill, they could've made a clean sweep by firing the ENTIRE staff, including Dave Gettleman. This would've initiated a full rebuild in 2021 that would've most likely included moving on from Jones.
John Mara's impatience of winning, not rebuilding, screwed the rebuild from the start. Plain and simple. Now he needs to sit on his hands and keep his mouth shut with this regime.
But again, that's just my thoughts and opinion.
That's what I always said, Pat Shurmur was a very good offensive coordinator and knew how to work with young QBs, Daniel Jones was playing very good his 1st year and would of been a top tier QB if Pat would of been kept for an offensive coordinator
It’s so bad, there’s a portion of fans that are saying they’re boycotting the team. The fans are tired of the losing culture.
Here’s my 2 cents on why the giants season is the way it is but it’s a little bit of a theory. I believe Brian dabs is intentionally not giving this offense the creative play calls because he wants fans and Mara realize dj is not the guy. Last year we had an arguably worse oLine and his offense was driving it down the field with Barkley and dj hitting open guys. He took them to the playoffs with that but he probably wants an elite qb to go the distance so I think he’s tanking this year and we can move on with a different qb. I know that coaches don’t usually tank but I believe he’s thinking long term and doesn’t wanna miss out on this draft class.
Also, in order to successfully rebuild, you need to hit in the draft. Look no further than 2021, 2022 and 2023. In '21, the Giants watched its two rivals make a trade so that the Philadelphia Eagles leapfrog them and take DeVonta Smith, Dallas then selected Micah Parsons. Who did the Giants get...Kadarius Toney! In 2022, the Giants used the extra first round pick from Chicago and selected...Evan Neal! Lastly, the Giants in '23 sat back again and watched wide receivers fall off the board - Jordan Addison, Zay Flowers would immediately be the no. 1 option in NY.
Since 2012 the giants have drafted 1 OLINEMEN who got a second contract in that span only Thomas great player Pugh zeitler and richburg were above average the team has had no foundation to go along with no dynamic wrs and been the most injured team in football Thomas hurting his hammy on the first drive sent the season to the toilet
They haven't drafted well in forever. It's really that simple. No matter who the coaches are, we have drafted about as poorly as any team in NFL history. Shepard was the first WR to get a second contract w/ the team as far back as I can remember, and I am old as fuck. Name the last D-lineman we drafted who was an impact player. JPP? Linebacker? Carl Banks? O-lineman? Thomas had a terrible rookie season, a good second year, and a lost third season. One more year and he's gonna want a $150 million dollar contract.
Jerry Reese was a disaster at drafting. Gettleman lit the #2 and #6 picks on fire in back-to-back years, threw away our only All-Pro player cuz he dyed his hair yellow, and left the team w/ an empty roster of failed reach draft picks.
Go back to the Manning Super Bowl years. Name an All-Pro that Eli played with? An All-Pro offensive lineman? All-Pro WR? All-Pro anything? He played 290 straight games and had an All-Pro in the locker room with him for maybe 30.
This team hasn't had a stacked roster since Parcells left, full stop.
Gettleman was such an absolute moron and squandered so many good picks man. He totally blew it. He tried to start a rebuild with a RB…arguably the least important position on the field these days in Football that are often injured, offensive line dependent and have the shortest shelf lives. My god…then could have drafted Micah Parsons but came away ultimately with Kadarius Toney and Evan Neal…
There’s so much wrong with the giants but I have to disagree with you about “0 young talent on this roster to be excited for in the future”. The only thing that separates this year from 2021 is that there actually is foundational pieces that can develop. Still need a qb, offensive line, wr and more. But there’s young talent that can grow
Reminds me of the Steven Jackson era Rams. Except they don't have an owner actually trying to sabotage them.
When Bill Parcells became coach, he simply told GM George Young “I want big guys for the O Line.” That, along with drafting LT began the Giants run that culminated with the Super Bowls. They have that GM-Head Coach connection now. They just need patience.
This video makes some good points, but it’s a little of a mess in some of its finer points.
So everything is spot on. The only thing I would say is, that OBJ trade actually worked in the Giants favor if you think about it. They used that draft pick on Dexter Lawrence and he’s been a bigger factor than OBJ has been since.
The thing that people don’t understand and it says just how awful the Giants are at drafting and hiring GMs is that the problem is EVERYTHING. No WRs, No o-line, overpaid quarterback, and an RB that can’t stay healthy. What would one draft pick do to completely turn this team around?
The Giants have consistently been one of the most injured teams in the league over the past decade. Is it a strength & conditioning issues? The team signing injury-prone players? The MetLife turf? MetLife just installed new turf this year and it's still a problem. The team really needs to examine this.
Also, I really feel for DJ. He's a stand-up guy and I think he had the potential to be a good-to-very-good QB with the right supporting cast, but coaching changes, injuries, bad personnel decisions, and most importantly playing behind a terrible O-line destroyed any development potential. Dude is David Carr'd at this point from taking so many hits.
The Giants head athletic trainer ( Ronnie Barnes) has been with the Giants since like 1980 … This organization is not proactive in anything they do .. Have u ever had a boss that’s been a boss for 30-40 years go out and say hey let’s embrace modern cutting edge medical concepts and let’s get new technology?? This is why the Giants are always injured and always take forever to heal .. the injuries and how they have been handled this year alone should be enough to ask Mr Barnes to retire .. but the Giants love comfort so they won’t and the same exact thing will happen next year and the year after.. Andrew Thomas missed 7 weeks with a hamstring strain .. how ridiculous.
It goes hand in hand, there aren't enough weapons in the back field that make the passing game work, ergo they have to rely on the run game, and an offense can't win by only relying on the run game.
The glory days ended when Coughlin stopped being Coughlin and started letting Odell do whatever he wanted. The old Coughlin used to fine you for being "late" if you weren't 10 minutes early!
I know Daboll is having an awful year, but they can't just scrap the coaching staff again. They have to try to let Daboll and Schoen develop something over time. They were at least able to get the team to overachieve last year. And it's not like the owners are finally going to finally make the right choices for these positions the NEXT time anyway.
For the rest of 2023, let all the young guys get as much experience and learn from as many mistakes as possible. That'll also get you a nice draft spot. I like Jones personally and I really wanted it to work with him. But if Williams or Maye or some other impressive QB prospect falls into our laps (and that's very possible), I am all in. At the very least, whoever we draft can step in if/when Jones is hurt again in 2024.
See? It's that simple, haha. (Of course it isn't.)
Being as 4 for 4 Philadelphia fan I can tell you....FRONT OFFICE MEANS A FRIGGIN LOT!!! Flyers are the PRIME example BAD front office and Eagles and now Phillies as GOOD!
I think another factor is that ownership didn't fully commit to "win now" or "rebuild," so they've always been trying to do a little of both.
Honestly the coaching needs to be consistent so they shouldn’t fire the coaches or the GM. The line needs a lot of work so whatever QB (jones, Taylor, Devito) is there can finally make connections to the newer and younger WRs. Hyatt has a lot potential but because the line is basically a turnstile it’s very rare for the QB to make dedicated targets to those WRs
"We didn't sign Odell to trade him." - Dave Gettleman, 9 days prior to trading Odell. That trade ruined this franchise and even though it turned into Dexter Lawrence, I've always said Daniel Jones should've had Odell for at least the first 2 years of his career. Things would be a hell of a lot different.
Saying that there’s 0 young talent in the roster is a wild take. Kayvon is nearing a double digit sack szn in year 2, Andrew Thomas is like 25 and a top 5 player at his position, Deonte banks has been very solid as a rookie, cordage flott and Tre Hawkins have also flashed as both very young corners, Dexter lawrence is the best nose tackle in football, Hyatt doesn’t get opportunities unfortunately but when he does he’s insane averaging over 20 ypc, JMS has been very very solid for the giants as a rookie just had to deal with some injury issues, Micah McFadden in his second year has been consistently graded as a very good linebacker in the nfl this season in his second year now next to okereke who Is probably around 26 and has been a borderline pro bowl caliber player this year. Wandale robinson when healthy has also played well he just can’t stay on the field and Xavier McKinney for as annoying as he is he is a good safety who I believe has made a pro bowl and is still on his rookie deal. Jason pinnock from the jets is also only 24 and has been good for the giants as well. There’s also some more young guys who have flashed like jordon Riley and Isaiah Simmons. Azeez ojulari is an outlier because when he’s on the field he is statistically dominant but he is literally always hurt. Evan neal is one of the only young guys on the roster who has been a disaster. Daniel jones is a vet atp but I doubt he’s going to be the franchise qb moving forward so where do we get the idea they have no young talent? They have a decent bit of young talent already therefore this narrative really only comes because they don’t have a great young qb.
I've seen many fan bases show some sort of disagreement with their team's draft pick, but I NEVER saw such widespread disgust and anger as I did watching those Giants draft Daniel Jones.
Saquon is showing his true colors Eagles can have him,i like Devin Singletary he is a true warrior. thanks Devin👍👍👍
As a lifelong Giants fan that knows why this team is terrible I can say you took the easy way out and put forth a lazy and lackluster effort.
Drafting! Scary as hell to get a very good black quarterback. Example, when Scheon started at the helm of 2021 I believe. He was doing the Giants tradition of drafting bad players. Falele, Woolen , and Tyquan Thornton(upscale passing game). The need for speed on both sides of the ball. He could’ve gotten those players in early 2nd and 3rd rounds. Instead he let the Ravens,Patriots, and Seahawks get them when he was way ahead of them in line. That’s when I was convinced that Gettlemen was his uncle at least.
Trading OBJ was the signal they don't know what they were doing.
It almost feels like the Giants almost never have a good offensive line. Maybe start there.
I agree regarding the Giants terrible draft record during this time period. Regarding Odell, Beckham, Jr., it’s easy to look back and say they should not have gotten rid of him. At the same time he became an absolute distraction. Add to this to the salary cap management. James Bradberry had one really good season in 2020. Otherwise Gettleman single-handedly put the Giants into the salary cap hell. This more than anything is contributed to the Giants current situation.
Not fair to criticize the OBJ trade in my opinion, the Giants had the best years of his career and they moved him on at the right time. Gettleman was much maligned, but I think that's unfair. D.Jones is a top 10 talent, if the Giants hadn't taken him he would have gone soon after. Barkley was the best talent available, and they expected him to juice up the offense from game 1. The Giants o-line has been terrible for a decade, Andrew Thomas and Evan Neil looked like smart, safe picks, it's hard to know why the o-line is still so bad.
Every failed rebuild is doomed by drafting,you need to actually evaluate talent and not waste your 1st through 3rd round picks.Just look at the Cincinnati Bengals who officially went into a rebuild in the 2018 season and made the Superbowl by the 2021 season.They built that team off of hitting on Burrow/Chase/Higgins/Wilson/Pratt in a 3 year period and already had talents with Mixon/Hubbard and went in FA and got insane deals for guys like Reader/Hendrickson
Burrow is possibly a top 5 QB though idk if we get that lucky
@@Ty-lw8dpthey were scripted to go to the SB to be sacrificed
gettlemen set the team back 5 years with bad cap and draft choices only year 2 withe schoen and dabes let them draft their qb
joe schoen not being able to scout is where it went wrong, now he will draft a qb first round and set us back another decade
We need to address the offense line. It doesn't matter what QB is playing, and also a #1 WR would be nice.
Drafting Saquon Barkley was a massive mistake. Already in 2018 it was readily apparent that the game had changed and RBs were no longer able to be the centerpieces of offenses. Also giving Daniel Jones prime time QB money = totally nuts
When you have an old boys club and old mentality. Nothing will go right. Gettleman that’s it. I hope they let Barkley go, the kid deserves better. And yes again, they will get nothing for him but that’s the usual with the Giants. Right now they have too many moving parts so no one is developing properly. The rookie wr is lost out there. The 100mil qb is hurt, the OLine…… the defense is hodgepodge. Punter is inconsistent, Kicker is hurt, no return guy. I said it when Daboll was hired and they kept Jones. The year will be 2026 before they are respectable. New coach, new QB. It looks like I’m on track as much as I hate it. Let’s be honest when was the last time they beat the Eagles or the Cowboys? But here we go again a 3rd place schedule next year!!!! Yeah!!! Back to false hope. Gotta love it.
Last year was a Mirage. The N.F.L. has a Parity Ethos that gives weak teams SOFT schedules in order to give the Fan Base HOPE. The Giants benefited from playing Weak teams and Barely won a lot of close games. They faced the Bogus Viking team in the first round, then got SMASHED by the Eagles. The Giants should NOT have been FOOLED. But the Real downfall of the Giants goes back to the Gettlemen Era. Wasting two First Round Draft picks. Barkley was a Massive Mistake because that was the year where a Quarterback was to be had because Manning was running on Fumes. Then signing Jones, where that was the timing to get either a Top Choice Offensive or Defensive Line Man was the way to go. The Running Back position has been Devalued by Current N.F.L. standards because of the injury factor. And let's face it, good Backs can be had in the later Draft rounds. Barkley's best season was his Rookie season, then it's been Downhill ever since. And you guessed it, because of injuries. Then Jones, who at best would be just an N.F.L. Back-Up was instead given four years to prove just that. Winning N.F.L. teams will always do a 180 when Drafting Mistakes are made. And will rectify the error. NOT the Giants, they instead DOUBLE and TRIPLE DOWN on the Drafting Mistakes. Barkley should have been Traded or Cut after the ACL injury, Ditto for Jones who has been a TURNOVER MACHINE. Instead the Giants TRIPLED DOWN and made Barkley their Francise player and Signed Jones as a Top Flight N.F.L. Quarter Back!!!! Both got injured, with Jones tearing an ACL and out for the year. His Skinny Chicken Legs NOT able to support his bodyweight. Jones only attribute was his ability to run away from pressure. Now that he won't be able to run, good luck with his Pocket Skills. Lets face it, it's a total rebuild. From finding a Quarter Back, Receivers who can actually Catch the ball. Offensive and Defensive Linemen and a Running game too. It will start with Next years First Round Pick. Moral of the story is: ADMIT TO YOUR MISTAKES, THEN MOVE ON TO CORRECT THEM. The N.F.L. will always be about turning over team rosters A.S.A.P.
Two minutes in and there are two things that need to be corrected:
1. Andrew Thomas, John Michael Schmidt, Dexter Lawrence, and Jalin Hyatt are all young players to be excited about.
2. Our playoff appearance last year was the first appearance since 2016, not 2011 but it was our first playoff win since 2011
the problem was the giants played too well in year 1 and raised expectations for year 2 ,the OL regressed neal is a wreck,JMS and thomas have missed time with injury and glowinski and ezudu didnt make the strides to start at OG we wanted/expected going into the season,then jones as dabol expanded his playbook this season he regressed into old bad habits pre dabol then injured both his neck and tore his ACL,the defence is starting too many rookies at key positions and adoree looks to be cooked at this point and with tyrod out with broken ribs and starting an undrafted rookie 3rd string QB being on the field too long and not having enough depth to cope with that pretty much the perfect storm for a sucking perspective this was year 2 of a REBUILD and last years playoff run blinded us to the fact we were rebuilding that jones contract was basically a 2yr deal temp placeholder while they tried to rebuild the offensive and defensive roster to support the QB he wasnt either the current coach or GM guy and they clearly were making the best of what they had and where they were picking in that draft meant the price to move up for a QB would be too high
Everyone in the NFL knew Jones was fool's gold in 2022. His "bounce back season" was throwing a paltry 15 TDs and not turning the ball over and Barkley balling out. Hope the next 3 years of that contract! 😂😂😂
Well done. Remember. If a franchise fails on a QB selection, it sets them back 5 years minimum. Looks about right.
Also DJ's acl was already torn the play before the dropback. He was running from Crosby and his knee buckled.
Horrible draft selections from 2015-2021 (outside of Saquon), bad offensive line, and the Odell trade was essentially a net negative.
To say that Robinson and Hyatt are disappointments is wild. When they’ve been given opportunities, they’ve thrived. They need better QB play. Clearly.
The giants issue was frankly drafting saquon and thinking he'd be the next ap. Even if they didn't want to pressure Eli with allen or lamar should've drafted ol
JOHN MARA. His forcing a washed up Eli on his new GM hire in the 17-18 off season led to Gettleman being hired which set the team back by 5-10 yrs. If you want to go back further Eli should have been replaced as early as after the 2014 yr when he threw 27ints. He was showing signs of fall off then, but picking up Odell and always being behind in games, helped Eli have two empty stat great years in 2014 and 2015. And by 2016 he couldn't throw beyond 10 yards anymore, yet we held on to him for THREE full years before the Daniel Jones Error began.
John Mara is to blame for all of this. In hindsight, McAdoo and Jerry Reese were on to something when they wanted to give Geno Smith a look. Not that Geno Smith was going to be our future because in 2017 he was not good, but in all likelihood they would have drafted a QB in the 2018 draft like Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson. John Mara fired them after the fan outrage towards benching Eli and there was no way Mara was going to let Gettleman and Shurmur draft a QB that spring at #2, he wanted to go all in on giving Eli one last dance. Then drafted a QB a year too late, Daniel Jones is a good guy but he wasn't worth drafting at #6. Mara has defended Danny the last 5 years and will continue to. Let's hope he doesn't fire Daboll & Schoen this off season because after 4 head coaches & 3 GMs in 8 years, there would be little reason to continue supporting this team.
As a cowboys fan, I hope they’re dumb enough to let Brian DaBoll go 😂. If dude can drag Daniel Jones to the playoffs, he’s a dangerous HC.
Honestly this losing s**t goes back to after we won SB 46.
John Mara is committed to Joe schoen and Brian daboll for a long run this time as compared the previous regimes. But this still isn’t fully their players they drafted they deserve to draft their own QB and continue building their team. After 4-5 years of Joe Schoens and Brian Dabols team we can assess properly if it’s working or not. Ron Rivera has gotten a lot of time in Washington and has not produced Brian daboll should be given the same time
They have been watching the Browns operations way too much.
I dont get how it can be considered a failed rebuild if the rebuild started last year with the new regime. They have hit on trades and draft picks. They will get their QB too now
Not to mention even in the LT era there were setbacks as well. 1983 for example...
Main difference is that we shouldn't bet on DJ to pull a Phil Simms who by miracle got good.
As a Giants fan, I am disgusted.
WE NEED TO DO THE FOLLOWING TO TRULY REBUILD THE GIANTS:
1) TANK TO GO 2 - 15
2) DRAFT AN ELITE QB AND REPLACE DERPY JONES
3) PURGE THE TEAM OF GETTLEMAN'S INFLUENCE AND GO FOR A SCORCHED EARTH REBUILD
Zero young talent to be excited about?
Tae Banks
Cordale Flott
Micah McFadden
Andrew Thomas
John Michael Schmitz
Dexter Lawrence (only 25)
Kayvon Thibadeux
Wandale Robinson
Jalin Hyatt
Daniel Bellinger
As a Giants fan, I feel like there’s plenty of young talent to be excited about. That’s not the problem. Running it back with Jones, mishandling injuries, poor depth and key ingame decisions are the differences between this team being .500 or better and the current 2-7.
Daboll and Schoen took some risks with the way the way they approached this season and they’ve nearly all backfired. Jones’ regression from a competent game manager to backup level play and some highly questionable coaching on Dabolls part just compounded that problem.
This is a team that can be a QB away from having a .500 floor in my opinion. With them lines up to have a top 5 pick, drafting Caleb Williams or Drake Maye can change their fortunes overnight.
Also didn't help when Gettleman took over they tried to win AND rebuild at the same time. It doesn't work that way, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Throw in the great Golladay signing and the cap space hell that followed....yeah not great. REBUILD DAMNIT! I think Schoen has a good idea of what he's doing. Just needs some time....and cap space. I could very well be eating my words in a few years, but until then, In Schoen we trust!
the personnel on this team is REALLY bad and the way that some of the important positions have been managed has been really poor, specifically QB, and we’re still paying for the sins of Gettleman’s dreadful draft classes, mainly 2021. Despite Evan Neal being picked Joe Schoen’s first two draft classes already look incredibly better than any of Gettleman’s. But I don’t believe that there is much that Dabes/Schoen could have done other than not given into Jones’ demands and brought back one of Gates/Feliciano. But also they obviously wanted to try to let Ezeudu make it into the starting mix and were planning to get younger at Center. Bobby Johnson is clearly a bad apple on this staff. If anything, after this year they should be commended for what they did last year. They already have accomplished more in their time here than any of the past 10 other years. I wouldn’t be surprised if this team improves next year with the addition of a new QB and more protection up front in the pass and trenches. The part that sucks is idk where Saquon is aligned in the future for us.
the 80's were def the best giants seasons
The problem is, the Giants have never committed to a full rebuild. At the deadline they did deal Leonard Williams but held onto Xavier Mckinney, Adoree Jackson, Saquon Barkley, Darius Slayton etc. All of those players should have been dealt because I know for a fact none are in the future plans of the organization, nor should they. During the Dave Gettleman era, he never did either (acquired Leonard Williams, sent picks to NYJ). I'll watch different games on Sunday (because the Giants obviously are a tough watch) and it's nuts to imagine anything but mediocrity from the offense. For one, they only have one capable lineman (JMS hasn't played enough). They have such a lackluster group of pass catchers. Wan'Dale Robinson, Jalin Hyatt and Darius Slayton aren't even a #3 across most of the NFL. Daniel is far from being absolved - too erratic, misses throws from time-to-time and has thrown some costly interceptions. The major difference - he can't have a so-so game and this team win which can't be said for teams like Philly, San Fran, Dallas and other playoff contenders.
Xavier McKinney for sure is in our plans he’s good
There's not a chance that X is back in New York next year. Look no further than Julian Love - someone will outbid them and quite frankly, he's really not a difference maker.@@jeremysoled8891
I might be wrong but I didn't hear a thing about the awful O line play in this video..Jones/DeVito have had less than 2.7 sec on average to get rid of the ball.
easily the reason #1 is ownership with the Maras meddling in the decision-making in drafting and evaluating talent AKA Daniel Jones pick and contract
The giants overachieved in 2022 big time the front office probably wanted a long term rebuild but ownership was sick of losing so instead of seeing that the team overachieved and couldn’t duplicate that success ownership was stubborn and forced the team to bring back saquon and pay Daniel jones ownership basically forced the team to try and duplicate that success but in reality the giants were just never a good roster
0:58 The Giants do have young talent to be excited about for the future. So I don’t wanna hear that bullshit. Let me list off the young talent the Giants have…
•Malik Nabers
•Wan’Dale Robinson
•Jalin Hyatt
•Andrew Thomas
•John Michael Schmitz
•Kayvon Thibodeaux
•Dexter Lawrence
•Brian Burns
•Micah McFadden
•Deonte Banks
Micah McFadden is one of the most underrated linebackers in the National Football League.
That’s a ridiculous amount of players to build around. If they can just get a quarterback.
This video is atrocious because how do you forget to mention the giants best Offensive player and franchise left tackle Andrew Thomas 😭😭
Also for the defensive side Kayvon is having a breakout season and yet there are those who wants to pretend he's a bust.
@@iamhungey12345Sal Licata never once put on a helmet and never once watched film but has the audacity to criticize a guy for not filling up the stat sheet 😂😂
Let’s hang up on Carl banks while we’re at it
Evan Neal was right 👀
@@doh-nc8ku Makes you wonder what his take on 1983 would be.
The giants have some nice you g pieces they just need a qb.
5:22 their old DC looks like their current HC🤣
What went wrong?
Resigning daniel jones
we were done before that.
Drafting Daniel Jones is when it went wrong.guy was always a bum
This was very well done 😃
Not really, he claimed there are no young talent on the team which is hell of a stretch.
Im surprised they still have fans
Tbf we didn’t rebuild , we didn’t even go all out for rebuild capable players. We signed a few decent players in Offseason but not a rebuild worthy kind of offseason. The gm is playing it smart by low risks
It is hard to settle on one reason since there have been so many. Gettelman was a disaster as a GM. He foolishly let himself by charmed by Daniel Jones so he responded by overdrafting Jones, then lied to everyone saying he "knew for a fact" that another team was going to draft Jones so he was forced to draft him when he did. Three consecutive head coaches (McAdoo, Shurmer & Judge) were bad hires. None were leaders of men. As you pointed out, most of the Giants draft choices, particularly at wide receiver, did not work out. Whether this was due to bad scouting, bad drafting or bad coaching remains a point of debate. All in all, there are many reasons for the Giants' failed rebuild. Hopefully, they can turn it around.
Jones was a 2nd rounder if that. Nobody would have drafted him
Small consolation is that it could have been somewhat worse, they could have drafted Haskins.
We all know how he turned out.
@iamhungey12345 if they draft Haskins maybe he's still with us. That's another thing. You DON'T know what could have been.
@@viciousvigilante4985 He would have been cut and may still get isekai'd later on. The guy had demons.
The ownership is the problem, they control to much of the draft etc.
The curse of the boat picture
we were bad before that too..
the Giants front office is trash. i really couldn't believe they signed Daniel Jones to such a lucrative contract when all he has shown in his time in the league is that he is a bottom of the barrel quarterback. now they're on the hook for 92 million guaranteed. what an absolute joke.
I love Saqoun but he kinda screwed us by not taking the deal last season and forcing us to use the tag on him.
Gettleman performed a master class on how to destroy a franchise.
Starts and ends with the QB. Houston 2023 2-15 , 2024 with CJ Stroud…Winning!
Giants fans who say every QB coming out is overrated, or that they should build the roster and save QB for last, or that Devito or jones are the answer are so delusional. These are the same people that would have said pass on a QB in 2004 and build around Kerry collins or older Kurt Warner. Besides giants already tried that approach of drafting everything but QB,when they def needed one, when they did shit like draft Beckham and Barkley and it didn’t work
The answer is easy. The o line has been trash for a decade
Daboll Is The Right Coach ……. Daniel Is The Wrong QB ……Kafka Is The Wrong OC
Also the daneil jones draft we had 3 first round picks
They just paid the first 2 somewhat competent players at rb and qb that lucked into their lap. Regardless of how good or injury prone