Harden or Irving: Who should Houston fans want? | NBA | FIRST THINGS FIRST
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- The Houston Rockets are reportedly considering going after Kyrie Irving if negotiations with James Harden fall through. Nick Wright, Chris Broussard and Kevin Wildes discuss whether Rockets fan should want Kyrie or Harden.
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Thank you Broussard. My thoughts exactly.
Yeah Chris doesn't get the credit he deserves. He is so obviously the only guy who is 100% objective . Even when I disagree with Chris I understand where he's coming from.
Both of your comments are pretty rare to find, he doesn't get the credit he deserves alotnof times and I honestly thought I was the only one who thought this😅😳
Love the chemistry with these 3 and having Wildes with his lower key style moderate was a brilliant move. Wright and Broussard have never been better playing off of each other as the emotional millennial vs the emotional old head.
Great discussion here - perfectly shows why this dynamic is so great.
Hi all. Rockets fan here. I'm with Brou. Wtf are we doing Houston?
Trade to get Jokic
Trade Jalen Green and KPJ while people still think they’re good
@@theprocessss + jabari. Jesus christ we are so bad 😓🙈
Jalen a keeper tho
Houston…..y’all have a problem
Describing Houston's actions as malpractice is hilarious😂
Kyrie hate ooozing out lmfao it’s weird watching them hate on him
no it's weird that Chris hates on him but then every other segment mentions that he's his biggest fan 😂
@@justchillinhowichill biggest hater sounds like it but yea hella weird , he wants ky on a 1 year deal dude what a insult
@@beechivelliproductionsllc9 Chris's cognitive dissonance when it comes to his Kyrie must eat him up at night
@dudewonder1 you can like a player but not want them on a specific contract length/money etc
Kyrie is the biggest toxic team killing POS in history
2:50 Whoa Pause 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I totally understand all the Kyrie issues. But Nick goes out of his way sometimes to say negative comments about the man.
Harden lead the Rockets to three western conference finals (faced golden state),went to the eastern conference finals,and to the finals as a sixth man. He's a winner. They never say KD or Kyrie quit on Brooklyn,always Harden?
Isn’t that weird? I guess Kyrie gets criticized for other things but still it feels like so much more falls on Harden.
@@francescosmith7859 it is especially since when a conversation surrounding KD comes around everyone acts like KD is a winner who can lead teams to the promise land; but the funny thing is that he had never made a finals after harden left okc and he has to join the best team of all time in order to “win”. Harden had done way more in Houston than KD or Kyrie ever have being the 1st option.
@@mess1ah8x92regular season and playoff games lol … just because you haven’t won the chip means you’re a loser
@@mess1ah8x92
Being a winner doesn't necessarily mean your team wins it all.
this is not the harden of 5 yrs ago (.has had some erratic).playoffs ..houston just move on...
I’m taking Hardens career but if it was a singular snapshot moment it would be Kyrie. Hardens arguably a top 10 offensive player of all NBA history no matter how he did it. I also understand the “choke jobs” argument against harden but the amount of pressure on him was huge. Kyries never had that amount of pressure and all of Kyries teams seem to play better or relatively the same after he’s gone.
2019 he had the pressure of a number 1 and folded like an omelette
You would choose not being a main contributing piece and THE piece to winning a championship because you’re a dunce
Kyrie Irving has never been 1st Team All NBA. I understand he had his snapshot moments with LeBron, but let’s be real here, as the main man, Harden washes Kyrie in every capacity during their careers. Harden was an MVP, Kyrie was never an MVP candidate at any point.
@@MsMrapplepieKyrie would’ve been mvp in 2018 if he didn’t get hurt the Celtics were a 1 seed lol
If not at least 1st team all nba
Horry has to have the most clutch shots in playoff history, he wasn't just on those teams that won chips, he was a key element of those teams winning chips. Clutch shot winning games.
Houston would make a big mistake getting either one of them. Harden is not the same player from before and Kyrie is sometimes hard to tell as he has off-court issue with teammates that could be a problem and giving him a max is not wise.
Unless their both in Vet Mins it’s like CP3 to Boston on a Vets minimum fine
@@aboveSubparBallAnalysis If Kyrie wanted to accept a min he'd probably be a Laker. Neither of these guy's is accepting less than 25mill and I'm being very generous because they're more then likely getting a lot more.
harden not being the same is exactly why it's not a bad signing. They need a top point guard who can set up the young guys, and james just had a really efficient year at pg
@@nick2gateway581 he said he wants to shot jack he’s not looking to set up young players.
@@Follow.the.Leader if that’s true then it’s a bad signing but I haven’t seen that report tbh
Broussard thinks of Houston as a small market, so he can’t be trusted…either one of those players makes the Rockets a playoff team… keep in mind that we don’t have our first round pick… so being in the lottery for a 4th year in a row won’t make sense
They can help more than they hurt
Bro they are no where near making the playoffs even with either one
@@ashleyden with Harden they would definitely make the playoffs or at the very least the play in game… without him they will be back in the lottery with no pick… with Kyrie and Udoka as the coach, we would improve drastically and more than likely make the play in game
Broussard thank you for giving Kyrie his props….mfs is caught up in this media swell about him last couple years. Don’t forget who Uncle Drew is bro, on that court everyone know what time it is when you line up in front of Irving. Thank you Broussard for continuing to remind it’s no doubt he’s an icon who will be remembered for his SKILL on the court.
Kyrie staying in Dallas . Harden going to Houston or Phoenix
I was right about Kyrie , Harden idk 🤷🏼♂️
These guys have it all wrong. As s Rockets fan if they get either harden or kyrie we dont expect them to instantly become title contenders are we know the team is still young and their top 2 prospects jalen n jabari wont hit their prime till another 2-3 years. They need someone to help grow their game .
How old are u brother ?
Just want to know
I love where Nick took this convo
the harden hatred is stupid he just won 2 playoff games for philly nobody ever said harden was a bad teammate and he’s a great point guard & it’s not like houston is gonna be a winner anyway without any of these guys
“Playoff Choker” Harden has better postseason numbers than playoff Jimmy. But gotta push those narratives
“its scary hours” 🤡
@comeandtalk2me 2:50-2:58 y’all need a ayo pause of week cause this one wild 🤣🤣
Facts but Jalen has expressed deep admirations for kyrie so I think stone has to do diligence
This guy's are short-sighted. You can sign them as an asset. There is gonna be a team desperate by trade deadline that needs a start and will give up future picks for them. Think guys
I doubt that
Not if they're signed to a max. And Harden will ask for a no trade clause
The Rockets will have to sign Kyrie to a max in order to get him, and no good team is going to trade for a maxed out Kyrie. Most good teams don't have the cap space anyway
IDK with is on the Houston Rockets minds but James Harden and Kyrie Irvin shouldn't even be on they're player's list this offseason
Video starts “NEITHER” lmao
Now of these guys can hoop but we listen to them speak on it
Chris really liked saying Shingoon.
The whole point of Rockets wanting a superstar PG is exactly to enter play-in and have a chance to enter playoffs. If ya’ll actually watch them the last : yrs they badly need a veteran PG to set the young guys up. These “experts” really think getting Harden or Kyrie makes Rockets title contenders?? Bro theyre rebuilding nobody expects them to win it all😂😂😂 RIP Context, theyre just making mouth noises
Chris "And I've Said This" Broussard
Skip has "I've never seen anything like it" Rob Parker has "no way no how" and Chris has "and I've said this"
What does Nick mean “Kyrie was never the best player on a winning team”? Does Kyrie’s early stint with Boston not count?
my only question... with CP3 never being to a Finals... how would be teach them how to win? i understand the vet coming in and showing leadership and everything else but hes never won himself how can he show them how to win?
Still baffles mr how they elevate cavs being down 3-1 and coming back when both teams has 3 all stars lol
Whe. They take Rumors as Truth they don't know what will happen 😅
You Might get in the play-in
Nick keeps embarrassing himself by disrespecting Kyrie. He'll cry when he joins the Lakers and have to give him credit when he plays well.
Avery Johnson from the corner in 1999 against the Knicks was absolutely magnificent and no one ever mentions it. GO SPURS!
everyone has recency bias
@2:33 HA!!!!
James Harden is one of the most unguardable players EVER in his prime. The dude averaged 40 a game in the modern era. He took basically the greatest team of all time to game 7 where if you watched the game it was very rigged for the warriors. I just think we are underselling Hardens dominance here a little bit.
“In his prime” he’s far away from his prime. Get over it and stop drooling about the past.
@@redsnake324 did you watch the video? They were talking about who has the better legacy….
When people say best ball handler we know it's skip to my Lou but I think Jason Williams should probably be next because passing is part of ball handler and he is probably top two
harden has never been dominant 😂
Loved both these knights in game of zones
If any team could get Kyrie to play ball and just play ball. They would be instant contenders. Problem is Kyrie lives his life how he wants and there is nothing wrong with that. He is ruled by no man outside of himself. I respect that. So I would take neither of them if I am trying to win a chip.
Brou said it is malpractice from the front office😅
When Kyrie was on Boston n the nets nick killed Kyrie now talking highly of him the switch up is crazy not respectable
You call that speaking highly of him? IDK man
Or Choice C: NONE OF THE ABOVE!
OKC Thunder showed what CP3 can do for a team
Cp3 better option for mentorship of the young core
I don’t understand how this isn’t a open - shut case on the Chris Paul thing. Broussard seems like the only voice of reason these days.
$$$ is the ONLY reason for CP3 to go to Huston. And even if that is his goal, he prob makes more from endorsements if he goes to LA.
They forget how everyone hated hardens game, most of his points were from flops and forced contact…. It was ugly for years
Great takes. But if Harden was to win a title, that would change everything.
I’m glad the answer to the title was answered firmly and immediately
The real question is, which of the two should Houston let use them for leverage? Because that's all they will be doing.
Harden is trying to overpaid when they are competing for a playoff series of taking shots and Sengun is a great young talent 4/5 to paying Kyrie Irving doesn't make sense?!
None of them as a Houston native don't get none of them cuz they are going to slow the process down of the young guys they got
They teams are NOT willing to be patient. That’s most of modern sports or just society in general honestly lol
Congrats Nick, with Unc moving out of Undispited your show could be #1 at FS1, since we don't know who is going to go with skip
Kyrie Irving is higher on my list than James Harden
I want chris Paul ❤ but don't know if will go to young team again
I’d rather be Harden not Kyrie. All I think about Kyrie is the fact he takes every game off if his feelings hurt
Harden is the same though. The only difference is he takes the game off while still being on the court. The minute Harden's feelings gets hurt he quits on the team and stops trying
@@kgkg4118 feelings get hurt? Or everything around him became a mess? Just like LeBron the team he leaves always does worse without him yet he never gets credit for that. Ig last name has to be James not the first.
It is obvious they want Kyrie out the league, the hate Nick continuously directs to Kyrie is plain as day.
They hate Kyrie simply because he prioritizes something above basketball, and because he thinks outside the box.
I would not be surprised if Kyrie is out the league next season.
Rabbi Wright truly hates Kyrie. Odd.....
I mean, simply in basketball terms, look what just happened in Dallas…
There is quite literally no argument for Kyrie over Harden
Kyrie has the ring. End of story
The answer to this question is: NEITHER
they are so personal with kyrie. the media cant even hide it. they just plain hate the guy.
They say he is very skilled but is dangerous to a franchise. It's the truth.
It's crazy lol
kyrie is toxic and hasn’t been a winning player since he was on the cavs.
@@jaden5843 disagree. Nets were winning games and were better with him in the lineup. And he's box office. Who wins by themselves? Not even King James
@@jaden5843 u taking harden over ky ? Mad man 😂
Pistol Pete Maravich: icon
Water Pistol Pete Jr.: icon
Houston don’t do this..
Normally these sports commentators try too hard with their wardrobes, but Kevin Wildes' outfit is quite impressive. IYKYK.
Kyrie was the best player on the Celtics. I’m not a Kyrie fan but I really think he’s over hated.
Cavs?
The Celtics made it to the conference finals without him tatums rookie year and we got smoked in round two with Kyrie trying to guard Giannis. Then left after promising he would resign if the Celtics wanted him. Totally deserves all the hate
And he was also the reason they lost 😂
@@sabe2147 that was not a prime Kyrie I’m sorry 🤷🏾♂️
@@BaithNa you can literally say that about 50% any team’s star player when they lose a series. Embiid was a huge reason why the sixers lost, Harden’s been the reason his team has lost a lot. Usually when a team loses a series their star player plays bad.
Just take CP3
If you're looking to ruin your young core, either one is a great signing.
Smh.
Wouldn’t be interested in either of them
Kyrie will be remembered for chaos, distraction and ultimately bitterness he brought at two franchises that could’ve been great.
Let’s see how it goes at the next place. Anyone want to bet?
The selective “memory” on this is hilarious.
Kyrie is remembered as a flat earther.
Harden vs kyrie is disrespectful my goodness accolades count !
As a rockets fan who loves harden, Brou is right
harden is not taking shots away ,, he literally averaged 11 assists for a season
Gotta push those narratives
ball hog a choker and a overall liability to any team he plays with
Signing Harden or Kyrie would be a move to sell tickets and nothing more
Listen to the coach and the GM not the rumor mill..If it doesn't make sense to you it doesn't make sense to them. We will get some vets but not these two.
The Rockets don’t have their own draft pick next year so they are desperate to at least contend for a play in spot.
I don't know if I'd say they're desparate, but there's clearly no motivation to be bad or outright tank. They're gonna have a lot of money to spend in the near future, so it's not like they're some team with a window that has almost shut and they desparately need to win before the house comes tumbling down and they need to rebuild.
I don't actually expect them to sign either of these guys, I just think they'll sign some quality vets to help the young guys on short term deals. But they don't have to be in the playoffs next year, they just need to be a team which is clearly trending upwards.
Who had their Pick ?
@@yvans. Brooklyn I think
@@yvans. OKC has it when the Rockets traded CP3 for Westbrook
OKC has Rox pick. Rox have Brooklyns pick.
Which locker room cancer do you choose? 🤔
Kyrie did nothing wrong
If Kyrie truly has the best skills in the NBA (to be clear I don’t believe this) that’s just more fuel for how disappointing his career has been.
Team sport but good point.
He got a ring , the end … he can fade away and be an icon off his mystic alone while Chris Paul and others keep trying to get what he has ….
@@beechivelliproductionsllc9 ehh maybe. One ring and you will always be a champion but I truly hope history shows someone like CP3 was clearly the better player.
@@francescosmith7859Only bc of injuries you can’t forget that
2:52 Nick you really need to work on phrasing
If I were Houston I wouldn’t want either of these two. If I were Harden or Kyrie I wouldn’t want to play in Houston. 🤷♂️
Im from houston, loved the work harden put in here and wish we couldve got a ring with him, but that ship has sailed.
How about honoring the person who made the team relevant show loyalty
@@heigherheights21 cool.
He can be an ambassador after he retires if the Rockets want to honor the great work he did here.
But taking him as a player now is not helping the team.
@@heigherheights21harden loyal? lmaooo 😭
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Houston wants a guy to lead the youngbuls. What's so hard to figure out about that?
Yeah houston should bring in a few low cost, high character veterans and stay hyper focused on their youths
Houston should run from both….neither care about winning.
Exactly; Neither!!!
1. Houston shouldn’t want either of them.
2. Give me Kyrie’s legacy and It ain’t close.
Neither lol. Why would rockets want harden back after the way he left
Neither wait for Brown from the Celtics
Take a half season of Kyrie, over a full season of Harden, any time.
Harden is an overrated kiss of death.
True it only takes Kyrie a half a season to destroy any team's chances of winning. Harden waits to destroy them in the playoffs.
@@larrylindgren9484well said
If I was the rocket, I would bring back Jeremy Lin for the Asian market and ticket sales..
He right what are their thinking?🤔🤔 🤔🤔
All y'all do is hate on Harden who is the 1st Player with 3 Scoring titles & 2 Assist titles, was the only Player with a 60pt Triple Double before Luka did it.. while And-1 moves Kyrie just misses games.
how many rings does harden have ? i forgot
Kyrie had one legendary shot
James Harden has the MVPs and actually led the rockets to a conference finals
James Harden is less of a headache and played more % of his games than Kyrie.
Kyrie has one shot 😑 y’all are straight ifiots
kyrie: 💍
harden: *0*
let me be very very clear. There is no young core in Houston. Every young Player in Houston puts decent box score nos when the game is done in the first half. Harden will make them atleast 2nd round team unlike vets like Dame or Kyrie.
Swallow harden is crazy 😂
CP3 is the best person to get for any developing team. Look at how well he was able to mentor the Suns team. When Chris Paul got there no one expected them to get to the Finals. But he was able to instill enough basketball knowledge to the young guys to life them up to a championship caliber team.
If these guys hate kyrie so much why do they talk about him whenever ANY topic concerning him is mentioned
Ima huge Ky fan but neither. Let’s develop our young core