PSA & CGC ➜ TAG Cross Grading Experiment!

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ธ.ค. 2024

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  • @chrism.187
    @chrism.187 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    While not perfect yet, it seems like the DINGS report and 1000 point scale seem to offer a lot more transparency on the cards actual condition, even if it doesn't always seem to translate to accurate grading. But seeing what's possible, the next time someone with a PSA 10 wants to command a higher premium for their card, we should all be asking them to "prove it". I don't care who's sticker is on the slab, I care about the card. I think the days of the "PSA premium" are numbered, and we will all be better off.

    • @monkey39128
      @monkey39128 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      No chance. PSA completely dominates the market. Their premium is safe.

    • @chrism.187
      @chrism.187 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@monkey39128 nothing is safe.

    • @l3imbiii
      @l3imbiii 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@monkey39128times change monkey

  • @Star-Collector70
    @Star-Collector70 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    I prefer TAG over PSA all day.

  • @nofameculture
    @nofameculture หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    TAG slabs look amazing

  • @Fang_Face
    @Fang_Face 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    What a great video! You went card by card, one at a time and explained everything perfectly. Subscribed!

  • @statrunner
    @statrunner 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    can't wait for the follow-up video where TAG demands you to send the cards back

    • @JohnDoe_88
      @JohnDoe_88 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      🤦‍♂️

  • @KetchumAllCollectibles
    @KetchumAllCollectibles 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    "Professional grading where the standards are made up and the grades don't matter". Now send em back to the original companies and then back again.

  • @zooboy39
    @zooboy39 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I'm pretty shocked at this. I sent one (admittedly small sample) card to test out TAG:Dragonite JP 20th Anniversary FA that I cracked from a CGC 8.5/PSA 9. It ended up a TAG 8.5 with the specific issue noted and dinged accordingly. Your cards were more egregious in nature and received "better" grades

  • @lukea9343
    @lukea9343 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Really love this video format, grats on those upgrade.

  • @AfterHoursCollector
    @AfterHoursCollector 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This was a nice in depth comparison video thanks bud. I’m leaning more into sending to tag myself after many experiences I’ve had with a few of the others and see how consistent they are. I know some don’t trust ai but it’s grown on me. Seems like each company has more emphasis on certain things that knock cards down. Especially in vintage….

  • @haytertcg
    @haytertcg 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    its a shame the grading system is so flawed, because the slabs and "labels" look absolutely amazing

    • @JavaAkuma
      @JavaAkuma  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I agree. The labels and slabs are pretty sleek.

    • @haytertcg
      @haytertcg 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@JavaAkuma just super clear, complete focus on the card itself. CGC label is too outlandish.

    • @FatherandSonHaveFun
      @FatherandSonHaveFun 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I might use them for cards just for the PC because they look so good

    • @misterscorbunny5524
      @misterscorbunny5524 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@FatherandSonHaveFun That's what I'm doing

    • @wiSez0
      @wiSez0 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      and you think PSA has a better grading system? come onnn..

  • @laurencechien
    @laurencechien หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I wish psa would use tag slabs

  • @xileets
    @xileets 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    TAG has talked about "AI Grading" but AI is a buzz word, and even if it's good, AI can be used in many different ways. I honestly don't know much at all about how or if TAG does use AI, but 2 things are interesting to me:
    - The images appear to capture the surface texture, but not pigment markings like stains and fading. This is a big weakness of the TAG grade.
    - The Grades appear to be fairly generous. Does this mean the AI or mere algorithm uses very wide grade parameters? Are the minus marks weighted in a way that minimizes dings, but counts other things more?
    IDK It's an interesting informative video, and thank you for posting!

    • @Tpinard72
      @Tpinard72 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      you must be slow

  • @zippertg4932
    @zippertg4932 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I don't know exactly how PSA and BGS grades their card, but having actual information on how your card was graded, I think TAG beats both of them. Not to mention it eliminates the Subjective factor (some people like a card more than the other or some people grade harsher than others etc).
    It was a huge disappointment though to see that TAG didn't notice any of the surface issues that you mentioned like the Dragonite one. Hopefully when TAG improves that, I have no doubts that TAG's grading will be superior to PSA and BGS (and other grading).

    • @richy4812
      @richy4812 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They are on the right track but yea. They have long ways to go. Their standards for a 10 are too low.

  • @scribble5057
    @scribble5057 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Tag grading is not AI. They also stated they never claimed to be AI

    • @JavaAkuma
      @JavaAkuma  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They apparently prefer to use the term "machine learning" which is fine. Here are the results of a simple Google search on the association of machine learning to AI.
      "Yes, machine learning (ML) is a subset of artificial intelligence (AI). AI is a broad term that refers to techniques and strategies that make machines more human-like, such as learning and problem-solving. ML is a branch of AI that uses algorithms and statistical models to help computers learn from data without direct instruction."

  • @AdamP-n5j
    @AdamP-n5j 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Think they were trying to push a lot of volume a couple months ago... I was going to get a good deal in a bunch of cards. They probably trying to stick to their turn around times so quality could lack.

  • @stevelebhar1520
    @stevelebhar1520 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Nice video. It feels as if TAG is giving you a beautiful case with an random high number in the upper portion. I have an interesting question. I have 1960's baseball cards from my youth that are in pretty good shape and probably valuable. Why not send to CGC, or SGC (as no upcharges), to see what grade they actually are. If graded highly, then send to PSA and then pay the upcharge........

  • @antoniorivera3043
    @antoniorivera3043 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    So much hate on TAG but from the looks of things TAG is head and using tech to get those grades that matter but like PSA who uses humans to grade it and they can give you a bad grade or a good one just with how they feel that day.

  • @zandbandw
    @zandbandw 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Thanks for putting this info out. It's a shame that this company is receiving so much hype from "influencers." This reminds me of all of the other basement grading companies that emerged during the pandemic.

  • @SonoftheKing316
    @SonoftheKing316 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Such a shame bc those slabs look like some of the best ive ever seen. If a card of mine got a 9 or a 10 when it clearly didnt deserve it bc of sizable deffect like a ding/dent like that, it would bug me. Idk thats just me.

  • @FatherandSonHaveFun
    @FatherandSonHaveFun 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Great video! I love the look of the TAG slabs and might still use for PC but they clearly have a ways to go to compete for the big boys. I also think it’s quite likely they get bought out by one of the big companies at some point and their tech is incorporated.

    • @TomDavis-q1g
      @TomDavis-q1g 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Where are they behind in regard to the big boys?

    • @TheDeanosaurus
      @TheDeanosaurus 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@TomDavis-q1g Market dominance 🤷🏻‍♂ likely the only reason PSA has been able to remain subjective and opaque for so long in their grading.

  • @makisaurs
    @makisaurs 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Enjoy your free grading with them after they see your video and ask you to send the Charizard back in. ♡

  • @ClubEditing
    @ClubEditing 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    clean psa 6s to TAG 10s is a play go go go

    • @ClubEditing
      @ClubEditing 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The whole system they have with the scans etc is so cool, but my word... the AI grading just doesnt work if its gunna miss most of the issues

  • @typhlosion_collector
    @typhlosion_collector 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Does the AI make a 360 image to do the grading? A bunch of damage is never going to be picked up on flat scans. It takes quite a bit of the right angle and lighting to find imperfections.

  • @supportJburn
    @supportJburn 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you for your research!

  • @Bonsabii
    @Bonsabii 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Was it easy to get a space in a store or was it a challenge

  • @mikojoubert6974
    @mikojoubert6974 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Did you get the full card service with your purchase where they clean your card? Or did I miss that in your video?

    • @JavaAkuma
      @JavaAkuma  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No, I did not opt for the option with "Card Care".

  • @kamb8s
    @kamb8s 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Bro TAGs gonna put you on their hit list lmao

    • @JavaAkuma
      @JavaAkuma  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      KAM! ❤️

  • @gabexquisite
    @gabexquisite หลายเดือนก่อน

    how were you able to fix the dings on the squirtle card?

    • @JavaAkuma
      @JavaAkuma  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@gabexquisite I did not fix any of the damage on any of these cards.

  • @drknights02
    @drknights02 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    how about doing this Mana Grading?

  • @CardThrone
    @CardThrone 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    its impossible to assess condition of a card based on 2 flat scans, they need to look at the card from multiple angles in order for the AI to be able to detect all the flaws

  • @Probablycantsaythis
    @Probablycantsaythis 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do u think u sent the charizard to cgc like that or did that happen in handling at cgc or during shipping

    • @JavaAkuma
      @JavaAkuma  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I assume I missed that dent when sending in cards. Its been a while but I don't have any reason to think CGC damaged the card.

    • @Probablycantsaythis
      @Probablycantsaythis 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @JavaAkuma unfortunately that's something that could have happened and most people wouldn't know about. I think that's why tag is always gonna be a better option than psa and cgc

    • @JavaAkuma
      @JavaAkuma  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Probablycantsaythis TAG doesn't give you the comprehensive scans prior to them grading them. As far as I am aware, PSA is the only of big companies to provide "pre-scans" so in either scenario, if I didn't have prior knowledge of the damage prior to sending to either company, I wouldn't know if the grading company damaged the cards. Whether it was TAG or CGC. But im glad your enjoying TAG so far. They have a very nice slab and label imo.

    • @Probablycantsaythis
      @Probablycantsaythis 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @JavaAkuma I enjoyed ur video very much it was exactly what I was looking for I haven't graded with tag yet. But I just think psa is overrated and tag is great but I've been big into ags until now. I think tag has won the war lol. But I truly appreciate the info and the back and forth communicating much appreciated my friend

  • @horatiocaine9241
    @horatiocaine9241 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    This is a disappointment imo. Their slabs are so clean and the online benifits are awsome. Unfortunately it looks like they have too many issues . Especially that they don’t know what a masterball is.

  • @MichaelKreis-c8m
    @MichaelKreis-c8m 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Flareon regular/masterball TAG misprint? 400% increase in value

  • @ChillStudyDate
    @ChillStudyDate 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    do you think tag slabs will hold any value though?

    • @ArturoPena-v3w
      @ArturoPena-v3w 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Everything in sales comes down to who your customer is and your sales pitch. Personally I'm going with tag since I do not plan on selling ever, but Id probably go PSA if selling. Although Tag does seem to be growing on people, and PSA has done some ridiculous things in past

  • @justjack21
    @justjack21 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    So (and I'll wtch the rest of the video) shortly. We should send with TAG to get easier grades because they're worse at grading 🤔
    (I will obviously watch the rest and edit)

    • @JavaAkuma
      @JavaAkuma  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's definitely not what I am saying.

    • @sergiohodar4704
      @sergiohodar4704 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well technically if you have good centering that's a good play, since their centering standards for a 10 are harder, but yeah with all these errors in the grading it's a play

  • @EricDrinksWater
    @EricDrinksWater 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Yikes. This is such a bad look.

  • @RobCurcuru
    @RobCurcuru 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I go with CGC for non-sports cards. The grading seems pretty even overall and CGC labels are much more attractive, especially the Gold Pristine labels. PSA labels are ugly.

  • @kevinquintana798
    @kevinquintana798 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Some pen hole type dents aren’t really damage issues and more like issues with the cardstock quality. It’s not very obvious from your video which category the squirtle would fall in, but if it’s more of a card stock defect they shouldn’t ding the grade meaning the grade issue would be more with psa than tag.

    • @kevinquintana798
      @kevinquintana798 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Also this might be more of a thing with English cards than Japanese

    • @JavaAkuma
      @JavaAkuma  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's an interesting question, whether common issues that occur during the manufacture or distribution process should be counted against the grade of a card. Cards like Masaki's for instance basically all have the same issue because of how they were distributed. Should that count against the overall grade for Masaki's? The little white dots on corners that are caused by a poor cut job in the factory. Should those count against the card? Personally, I think I have come to think that damage is damage whether the person caused it or the factory caused it. Either way, that damage is impacting the overall eye appeal or condition of the card in a similar way. It should probably count against the overall grade regardless.

    • @nomorechances
      @nomorechances 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      As long as it's not intentional, then whether it comes from your own mistake or the factory, it's damage.

  • @laurencechien
    @laurencechien 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Flawed grading system. But slabs are nice I think if you have a psa 10 you can send it to tag knowing it’s a 10 and you can get a better transparency.

  • @engee4944
    @engee4944 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    wow I had high hopes for TAG but this shows their system has massive flaws.

  • @Goat_ai
    @Goat_ai 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why?...

  • @sergiohodar4704
    @sergiohodar4704 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great. And my card with a very slight dent got a tag 8... Fml

  • @sil3nT.
    @sil3nT. 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Definetly never buying tag slabs. Thanks for the video.

  • @laurencechien
    @laurencechien หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cgc slabs move around

  • @dcsoda1
    @dcsoda1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very nice deep dive. Never was interested in TAG but nice to see my suspicions confirmed.

  • @hoiming
    @hoiming 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    TAG fan here. Great video. It was more objective than most others I've seen.
    I'll try to explain some of the grades where I can, but I'd encourage you to reach out to TAG to see if they can provide an explanation on some of the grades.
    Note that the DINGS section lists only defects that are deemed significant. But I can't speak to exactly what constitutes significant. The TAG S reports are much morr detailed and will lists defects even if they arent significant.
    I'll add explanations as replies below.
    Edit: I've probably wrote too much, but hopefully the below helps you get an idea of why the grades are what they are. Hopefully you can reach out to TAG for more answers. But I think with TAG are least I can see how they got to the grade and it's usually consistent with their standards. With the other graders you can't always see if they're consistent with their standards, because you don't know which defects they caught or didn't catch.
    Here are some other quick notes for the other cards:
    Dragonite - they didn't mention stains or print imperfections specially for a gem mint in their grading rubric, but might be considered insignificant. Defect location is also considered.
    Squirtle - the pits in the back fall within the threshold of a Gem Mint 10 similar to the Charizard I explained below.

    • @hoiming
      @hoiming 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      For the 25th anniversary Charizard, the dent in the back is within the threshold of a 10. This is the description for surface for a Gem Mint 10 for TAG on their grading rubric on their site
      SURFACE
      An extremely attractive surface. A slight print imperfection may appear under hi-res imagery. A very minor defect such as a very small pit, light scratch that does not penetrate the gloss or a light print or refractor line may be present. Scoring is impacted by region. Back may have multiple print lines as well as a larger, deeper pit.
      So while you may not agree with the criteria, from what I've seen TAG is pretty consistent with the standards that they've laid out and the reports allow you to compare to their standards.
      The Zapdos dent was on the front so that may indeed be a TAG mistake but we shall see what happens with that.

    • @hoiming
      @hoiming 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      For the Flareon, here is the criteria for the edges for 8.5 from their grading rubric. I don't have the card in hand but it seems the edge wear/chipping is consistent with their description for 8.5
      EDGES
      Visible edge surface wear or light chipping on multiple edges on the front. Fray artifacts may become more visible.
      Again they are usually good with staying consistent with the standards they have set.

    • @hoiming
      @hoiming 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      For the Umbreon (9), here are the criteria for edges and surface for a TAG 9 from the grading rubric
      SURFACE
      A larger and deeper pit may be present. May have 2 or 3 small pits and/or a longer scratch not penetrating the gloss. May have a light but present print line or refractor line that runs the length of the card, vertically or horizontally. Has a minor print imperfection or multiple spots. A small scratch that penetrates the gloss on the back is visible. Multiple, more visible print lines present.
      EDGES
      Visible but minor edge surface wear on one or two edges. More significant fill or fray artifacts are present under high resolution imagery.
      So the edge wear you noticed and the scratches on the back fall within the thresholds for a 9.
      The other thing to note is on the TAG X report it only shows the Fill and Fray scores but not the Edge Surface Wear and Corner Surface Wear scores which do show in the TAG S reports. Those would tell you how significant the wear defects are.

    • @JavaAkuma
      @JavaAkuma  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks for sharing. I appreciate this context. The Zapdos ended up getting an 8, which I very much am more in line with that standard. Personally, I think if what you have outlined is true and cards with dents and dings can get 10s with TAG, I just will steer clear for now. I guess I just don't agree with their grading standards. Sucks, because their slabs are really nice looking, but if I can't trust I'm getting what I think is a Gem Mint card in a 10 slab, then yeah, I guess I'll steer clear for now.

    • @hoiming
      @hoiming 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@JavaAkuma for sure that's fair. But I should note that the TAG founders had tried to match industry standards within reason with their rubric, by reviewing other standards and real world examples. The bigger defects that are allowed for gem mint are typically only for the back. For PSA, if you read their standards they don't mention scratch or dents until PSA 6 and we've seen scratches or dents allowed in higher grades. CGC is a little more explicit but they also don't distinguish between back and from defects which I think is important.
      Anyway, everyone is free to choose who to go with but I like TAG because their report allows you to be more confident it met the standards it laid out. I don't know if it's more lenient than PSA, but mainly because PSA standards are vague and it's hard to know how close they got to the vague standards.
      Sorry for sounding like a shill, but just my thoughts. Again good video.

  • @TheNoobzoid
    @TheNoobzoid 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Monetary value and gains aside, TAG is by far a better product. The slab looks better, AND you get an explanation to why a card got its grade. Yes the video shows some flaws missed in the scans, but come on, lets not pretend human grading is some how more consistent or better. Ultimately, people should be buying the card not the grade.

  • @nessTCG
    @nessTCG 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    LOL WHAT 7 with dents to a 10?

    • @nessTCG
      @nessTCG 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      dudes must have been like, eh its japanese prob a 10

  • @pullgang4097
    @pullgang4097 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "AI" is such an empty buzzword - willing to bet these "AI" companies like this and AGS are as simple as cards get scanned, then an underpaid worker in another country looks at the scan and marks a thing or two a thousand times a day

  • @paulleon1469
    @paulleon1469 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    TAG's slogans: We "TAG" your slab for a quick bucks or You ask for Tens, you shall receive it!

  • @EllaFallecio
    @EllaFallecio หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why is he saying tag like teg? Its Tag! Like price tag. TAG!

  • @joemofo5689
    @joemofo5689 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Glad I didn’t start buying TAG slabs. Yikes that’s not a good investment lol

  • @blaneandgame9
    @blaneandgame9 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great journalism! Tag has a long way to go if they wanna be a competitor. I for one am sick of AI everything already and can't stand just how blatantly wrong it can be so often.

  • @dannyvu6403
    @dannyvu6403 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can't help but laugh at all the TAG fanboys that have recently come around.

    • @JavaAkuma
      @JavaAkuma  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Fanboys? You think some creators are currently "sponsored" by them or something?

    • @72jmunoz
      @72jmunoz 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      lmao i dont own any tag slabs and i can tell you they look way better than thease psa slabs i own as a collector thease slabs look like they have premium plastic just my opinion but no need to hate

  • @missingno81
    @missingno81 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Proof there is no standard in grading and the numbers are arbitrary. There should be a universal system for point deductions.

  • @MickeyMarty-b6h
    @MickeyMarty-b6h 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Maybe you can get me Pokemon cards please i don't havet

  • @christopherhunter9671
    @christopherhunter9671 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I mean, understand why you did it, but the value is always gonna be with the big 3. No matter what new grading company comes in, I had to learn the hard way with AGS. It’s hard to sell when they aren’t in psa, cgc, or BGS holders. Great video but ill stick with psa and cgc

    • @JavaAkuma
      @JavaAkuma  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      It would surprise me if you came away with this take having watched the actual video. I am in no way trying to promote people to use TAG as a grading company. The video is meant to illustrate the differences in their scale compared to the other grading companies and some potential issues that TAG should think about addressing.

    • @christopherhunter9671
      @christopherhunter9671 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@JavaAkuma I never once said that you were trying to promote them. I was simply just stating that’s the big three will always be more valuable than other grading companies

    • @EricDrinksWater
      @EricDrinksWater 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Big names like Gem Mint Pokemon have been shilling this company. Its actually embarrassing and so transparently disingenuous. This demonstrates that their 10s are valueless and that the technology is not there.

    • @chexcollects
      @chexcollects 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@christopherhunter9671he didn’t send them in to be more valuable. It was purely an experiment.

  • @justjack21
    @justjack21 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ok so TAG just isn't fit for purpose as a grading company. That's awful

  • @DegenCollector
    @DegenCollector 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I will never use TAG grading. It is irresponsible for them to be grading cards and taking submissions when their "AI" is so flawed.

    • @Killer_Corvette
      @Killer_Corvette 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      not defending either companies but people grading is just as or in some cases even more flawed

  • @laurencechien
    @laurencechien หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don’t trust AI grading. Only think AI will ever be better than is Chess.