Thanks for a good review. I have looked at this but the flaws in corrosion and basic design misses such as fork 😮 and kickstand indicate no deal….. I’ve similar experience of 50cc, a Kisbee and a Baotian, same age and mileage. The Chinese is falling apart, plastic cracking and corrosion everywhere while the French/Indian design holds up perfectly.
Great video, Niu must stand for buy one new every two years because nothing on it seems to last! It is shocking they told you paint flaking off is expected! You might like the new ninebot-segway e200p it can 100km/h
The point is that I have not seen a better bike yet but I'm open for proposals and new promises which will be not kept in reality. Ninebot looks interesting, thanks. Does not seem to be available in Germany yet and do not find information on the critical parameter of battery capacity. The range they provide has typically nothing to do with reality.
I travel about 27 km a day in average with my electric scooter (a Chinese one but not a NIU, and it's just a 45 km/h moped, ”EU moped”) and so far I rode it a little more than 30000 km (30 Mm) without any serious problems yet. It just works and I never even brought it in for service. I love those electric two-wheelers, there's not much on them that can break. I've only had some minor problems, like the brake switches a few times and the switch for the side stand no longer works properly, so it no longer stop you from driving with the side stand down. Maybe I should at least fix that at some point. I have thought of buying A NIU next time, and I found the information in this video valuable. Maybe the Seat MÓ would be a better fit for you? I think the top speed is a little more than 90 km/h and the battery is at 5600 Wh and you can pull it around, since they are on wheels. It weighs about 40 kg, so stairs would probably be an issue. I have been thinking about buying one myself, but I would have to carry it 24 steps up and 24 steps down every day, so maybe not for me.
@@johnnyrosenberg9522 just checked some customer voices in forums. Seems like it is rusting even worse than the niu and the fork is also too weak for a stoppie. Worst part seems to be that customer support is not admitting it. too low speed 85km/h in real life is also Not so nice. So no option for me for so much money.
Hi, many thanks your regular reviews of the NIU scooter. They gave me the confidence to buy a 2021 GTS Pro with close to 10k on the clock. Now, after a couple of months using it, I have noticed that the batteries are not depleting at the same rate. One has consistently less capacity than the other, for example, at the moment one is at 79% and the other at 73% capacity. Could you or anyone else commenting here found the same problem and, if so, could this be an issue? Also, the fork seems a bit loose, has anyone come across with a video explaining how to tighten it? Thanks!!!
This may be the software bug which is present at my scooter. It manifests itself as follows: you charge the batteries fully but you ride only a couple of km and charge is still above 90%. Then you switch the scooter off and leave it for some time. Suddenly one of the two batteries is reported to have full charge again. You would get a notification and you would see it in the charge diagrams.
since the wheel is also the motor my guess would be they would not like to damage the place where the bearings/ radlager are. i read they had to replace entire motors/wheels if the bearings collapse, i read that about SYM scooters used with couriers, that use has been excluded of warranty although they advertise that the scooters are ideal for that use ....
No u need to dissamble the hub motor and replace bearings.then must use seal to make it waterproof again.Hall sensor is another story but there are spare parts for.Bosch is made by qsmotor.
Hello Prometeus, Thanks a lot for the video you have already helped me a lot with your presentation! I am really thinking of buying the Niu you have. The thing is that my plan is to make the double km distance than you do, 120-140km per day (60-70 to the work then charge the bateries 8h and after 60-70km back home) at top speed. Do you think that is posible?
Hi Borodin, I have no issues with that. The only burden is the charger which does not fit into the scooter. This was fixed with the niu has fixed this with the Mqi -GT (not Nqi-GT) www.niu.com/de/product/mqi-gt but unfortunately the batteries there are smaller and real 70km are not an option anymore at high speed. If I need to carry my charger I put it between my legs in a waterproof bag. This is not optimal and boxes at the back of the scooter I simply don't like.
I really want an electric scooter and this is the only one available to me that is a 125cc equivalent. That front fork issue seems like a really big problem, should I just get a petrol 125 instead?
Hi, according to my knowledge this issue was solved. New forks have now an additional rib in the casting on each side. If you buy a new one, talk to the dealer about this and try an emergency brake yourself.
How does it do today 1 year later? I don't really want to buy it if it can only last one winter with salt. If it only lasts 1 winter/1 year I think a small car is even cheaper
Myśle nad tym skuterem do jazdy po Londynie. Polecasz ten, czy noże poczekać ? Myśle nad ta firma akurat, który model wybrać ? Budżet do 5000£ myśle :)
I drive the same, also 64 km/day (2 x 32 km) Slow charge at work (from 50 to 100%), full in 7 hours because I use about 45% battery. Fast charge at home (again from 50 to 100% in 3,5 hours). I would also love a top speed of 80+ kmh. The speedo lies, real top speed is about 76 with full battery. I cannot choose between the Horwin EK3 and Niu Evo
@@elifelif777 I know. Bought the Evo which was perfect but isn't anymore after latest update. I can return it and get my money back. Will buy a Ray7.7 now
Hi prometeusz What percentage do you run the battery down to? I have an NQI Sport-single battery- I only take it to about 50-40+% before charging again
You said you commute 60 km a day, but only 13000 km in two years? That's just a little more than 100 days a year. Or did you say 16 km a day? I tried to hear it several times, but it sounds like you say 60. 16 km makes more sense: A little more than 250 days a year.
Yes, I commute 60km a day. As I said. In the first year I made 10k. I had there already to ride for 1 month with a replacement scooter since the fork needed to be repaired. The year after is when Corona hit my daily habits. Now I commute only 1-2 times a week to my workplace.
Please see here for more details: www.elektroroller-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=8100&hilit=Gabel+verbogen th-cam.com/video/h1dHKQP4aAE/w-d-xo.html Also NIU is not the only one: www.elektroroller-forum.de/viewtopic.php?p=188437#p188437 98% of typical scooter users will simply not break hard enough to whiteness that issue.
that says everything you need to know about quality. i had three accidents with a cheap chinese petrol scooter and damn thing still working to this day 10yrs later
Actually the dealer was selling KTM as well and was not willing to guarantee that a KTM would be better on salty streets. Which motorcycle would you recommend for winter riding?
@@prometeusz.jasinski I ride a 2017 Honda Vision 110i 🙂 it’s a 110cc scooter from Honda. 6,5 kW of power and 9 Nm of torque. Topspeed of around 55 mph/90 km/h. I also ride my Honda Vision 110 in wintertime and also in very bad weather (including freezing temperatures). The newprice of the Vision is 2.350€ here in Belgium 😁 Almost no rust or corrosion after 11.000 km’s, and I ride 8.000 km every year with it. The fuel consumption on the highway on your commute to work at topspeed (always will hold 90 km/u) will be around 3,7 liters/100 km. So your 60 km commute every day will cost you around 4,2 Euro’s per day. So about 15€ per week 🙂 Only on the exhaust there is a bit rust, but that is normal. I can strongly recommend the Honda Vision 110 with confidence for a very good if not better alternative for your apparently medium-quality NIU e-scooter 👍🏻 you will be suprised of the premium build quality of the Honda Vision 110i 😉 Maybe do a testride and find out 😊
Of course they are shitty quality. These scooters are appx 7999 CNY in the official Chinese Niu store. That's just over 1000 euro. They are low budget vehicles.
@@prometeusz.jasinski That's precisely the issue. We can choose between shitty scooters with decent range, or decent scooters with shitty range. Decent brands like Yamaha, Honda, Kymco, Sym, Piaggio are not willing to introduce a reasonably priced midsized electric scooter with sufficient range for commuting. I don't want to pay €3500 for this type of questionable quality. :( In Taiwan you can find Gogoro e-scooters for around €2000 and they also have a battery swap network + other brands are integrating their battery system. Much better situation than here.
A great, informative and thorough review.
Thanks for sharing! Great video.
I have a NIU NGT in black, I only ride it on sunny days, as I have a car also. Fantastic little scooter.
Klasse Erfahrungsbericht!!
That was an excellent review...
Great review 👍
thanks for a great overview and review! this really helps a lot to see durability, they cost like 4000€ now...
The 27000km / 4 year review will be available soon 🙂
@@prometeusz.jasinski awesome! Really looking forward to it!
Thanks for this honest review. I was looking at the N but I do not like a bike with such small tires so I may be forced to get the M.
I believe both versions have now bigger tires. Anyhow the MQi GT Evo would be currently a hot candidate if would have to choose today.
thank you !
Thanks for a good review. I have looked at this but the flaws in corrosion and basic design misses such as fork 😮 and kickstand indicate no deal….. I’ve similar experience of 50cc, a Kisbee and a Baotian, same age and mileage. The Chinese is falling apart, plastic cracking and corrosion everywhere while the French/Indian design holds up perfectly.
Great video, Niu must stand for buy one new every two years because nothing on it seems to last! It is shocking they told you paint flaking off is expected! You might like the new ninebot-segway e200p it can 100km/h
The point is that I have not seen a better bike yet but I'm open for proposals and new promises which will be not kept in reality. Ninebot looks interesting, thanks. Does not seem to be available in Germany yet and do not find information on the critical parameter of battery capacity. The range they provide has typically nothing to do with reality.
@@prometeusz.jasinski What kind of critical parameter are you looking for regarding battery capacity of the Ninebot E200P?
Someone can tell me the size of the 2 bolts holding front brake caliper bracket to fork.And are there 2 spacers need it for front rim?
I travel about 27 km a day in average with my electric scooter (a Chinese one but not a NIU, and it's just a 45 km/h moped, ”EU moped”) and so far I rode it a little more than 30000 km (30 Mm) without any serious problems yet. It just works and I never even brought it in for service. I love those electric two-wheelers, there's not much on them that can break. I've only had some minor problems, like the brake switches a few times and the switch for the side stand no longer works properly, so it no longer stop you from driving with the side stand down. Maybe I should at least fix that at some point.
I have thought of buying A NIU next time, and I found the information in this video valuable.
Maybe the Seat MÓ would be a better fit for you? I think the top speed is a little more than 90 km/h and the battery is at 5600 Wh and you can pull it around, since they are on wheels. It weighs about 40 kg, so stairs would probably be an issue. I have been thinking about buying one myself, but I would have to carry it 24 steps up and 24 steps down every day, so maybe not for me.
Almost double the price. Not sure if quality will be also double as good. I’ll have a look. Anyhow it is just a rebranded cycle .
@@prometeusz.jasinski Well, yes. It was only a suggestion, though. Something to have a look at. 👍
@@johnnyrosenberg9522 just checked some customer voices in forums. Seems like it is rusting even worse than the niu and the fork is also too weak for a stoppie. Worst part seems to be that customer support is not admitting it. too low speed 85km/h in real life is also Not so nice. So no option for me for so much money.
www.elektroroller-forum.de/viewforum.php?f=128
@@prometeusz.jasinski Isn't even 85 km/h still more than the NIU?
Do you have a recommendation for a quiet helmet? My helmet starts to be very loud at 40km/h already. Quite annoying when riding a noise free NIU
Just go for mid ranged motorcycle helmets. 70km/h shouldn't be a challenge for decent helmets. What matters more to me is the fitting.
Hi, many thanks your regular reviews of the NIU scooter. They gave me the confidence to buy a 2021 GTS Pro with close to 10k on the clock. Now, after a couple of months using it, I have noticed that the batteries are not depleting at the same rate. One has consistently less capacity than the other, for example, at the moment one is at 79% and the other at 73% capacity. Could you or anyone else commenting here found the same problem and, if so, could this be an issue? Also, the fork seems a bit loose, has anyone come across with a video explaining how to tighten it? Thanks!!!
This may be the software bug which is present at my scooter. It manifests itself as follows: you charge the batteries fully but you ride only a couple of km and charge is still above 90%. Then you switch the scooter off and leave it for some time. Suddenly one of the two batteries is reported to have full charge again. You would get a notification and you would see it in the charge diagrams.
since the wheel is also the motor my guess would be they would not like to damage the place where the bearings/ radlager are. i read they had to replace entire motors/wheels if the bearings collapse, i read that about SYM scooters used with couriers, that use has been excluded of warranty although they advertise that the scooters are ideal for that use ....
No u need to dissamble the hub motor and replace bearings.then must use seal to make it waterproof again.Hall sensor is another story but there are spare parts for.Bosch is made by qsmotor.
I drive since 2 years 5-6 days per week at any weather. Got 8000 km now with NiuN1s. Drives 45 km/h
Still use it?
Hello Prometeus,
Thanks a lot for the video you have already helped me a lot with your presentation!
I am really thinking of buying the Niu you have. The thing is that my plan is to make the double km distance than you do, 120-140km per day (60-70 to the work then charge the bateries 8h and after 60-70km back home) at top speed.
Do you think that is posible?
Hi Borodin, I have no issues with that. The only burden is the charger which does not fit into the scooter. This was fixed with the niu has fixed this with the Mqi -GT (not Nqi-GT) www.niu.com/de/product/mqi-gt but unfortunately the batteries there are smaller and real 70km are not an option anymore at high speed. If I need to carry my charger I put it between my legs in a waterproof bag. This is not optimal and boxes at the back of the scooter I simply don't like.
@@prometeusz.jasinski Thank you again my friend. You are more than helpful!
@@prometeusz.jasinski здравствуйте 🖐️.какой максимальный пробег на 2 аккумуляторах?
@@putakvariumista Hi, sorry but my Kyrillic is unfortunately not good.
hi, very interesting video, can you tell what is the batteries degradation status. thanks
I can’t post the graph here. So at some point I will make a Video about it. From the data I estimate 2% of measurable capacity loss.
@@prometeusz.jasinski waiting for the battery update.. Thank you in advance
Im big fan, and I want to switch from car to Seat Mo or Silence S01 Urban what do you think about them?
I heard only about bending forks and too low top speed. I recommend to check out some forums.
thanks for the vid, what is the real world top speed, spec says 60 Mph , hear others getting 48mph.
As long as you are above 50% charge you will reach 70km/h gps measured speed even on light slopes. Below it starts lacking power.
I really want an electric scooter and this is the only one available to me that is a 125cc equivalent. That front fork issue seems like a really big problem, should I just get a petrol 125 instead?
Hi, according to my knowledge this issue was solved. New forks have now an additional rib in the casting on each side. If you buy a new one, talk to the dealer about this and try an emergency brake yourself.
@@prometeusz.jasinski Hi, the problem is I'm buying second hand and there are no Niu dealers in Ireland unfortunately
@@colin6673 lookout for the ribs: www.elektroroller-forum.de/viewtopic.php?t=8100&start=260
How does it do today 1 year later? I don't really want to buy it if it can only last one winter with salt. If it only lasts 1 winter/1 year I think a small car is even cheaper
Hi, check out my other video answering your question.
Myśle nad tym skuterem do jazdy po Londynie. Polecasz ten, czy noże poczekać ? Myśle nad ta firma akurat, który model wybrać ? Budżet do 5000£ myśle :)
Myślę że inna firma nie będzie lepsza. Spójrz na filmik o skuterze po 3 latach.
I drive the same, also 64 km/day (2 x 32 km) Slow charge at work (from 50 to 100%), full in 7 hours because I use about 45% battery. Fast charge at home (again from 50 to 100% in 3,5 hours). I would also love a top speed of 80+ kmh. The speedo lies, real top speed is about 76 with full battery. I cannot choose between the Horwin EK3 and Niu Evo
If I understand well, after you drive 60 Km your battery is around 65% (you use 45% of battery)?
@@francescoriccioli4326 No, sorry. 32 km full speed takes about 50% of my 2 x 35 Ah batteries. (changed the text now)
@@dotternetta Thanks!
Horwin ek3 with a chain and makes a noise when u r on the road
@@elifelif777 I know. Bought the Evo which was perfect but isn't anymore after latest update. I can return it and get my money back. Will buy a Ray7.7 now
👍👍👍🌺🌺🌺🌺👋👋🙏🙏
I'm 174cm will my foot reach the ground fully?
Should work.
Hi prometeusz
What percentage do you run the battery down to? I have an NQI Sport-single battery- I only take it to about 50-40+% before charging again
Typically down to 20-30% per 60km. See my other video
You said you commute 60 km a day, but only 13000 km in two years? That's just a little more than 100 days a year. Or did you say 16 km a day? I tried to hear it several times, but it sounds like you say 60. 16 km makes more sense: A little more than 250 days a year.
Yes, I commute 60km a day. As I said. In the first year I made 10k. I had there already to ride for 1 month with a replacement scooter since the fork needed to be repaired. The year after is when Corona hit my daily habits. Now I commute only 1-2 times a week to my workplace.
Linda está moto eletrica
i guess I'm kind of randomly asking but does anybody know a good place to stream new movies online?
@Grant Emerson try Flixzone. Just google for it =)
@Augustine Jay yea, I've been watching on flixzone for since march myself :)
@Augustine Jay Thanks, I went there and it seems like a nice service :) Appreciate it !
@Grant Emerson you are welcome :)
Forks bending on hard braking, i never heard about this. That means the scooter head very bad quality mechanical parts.
Please see here for more details:
www.elektroroller-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=8100&hilit=Gabel+verbogen
th-cam.com/video/h1dHKQP4aAE/w-d-xo.html
Also NIU is not the only one:
www.elektroroller-forum.de/viewtopic.php?p=188437#p188437
98% of typical scooter users will simply not break hard enough to whiteness that issue.
that says everything you need to know about quality. i had three accidents with a cheap chinese petrol scooter and damn thing still working to this day 10yrs later
Die frage die sich ergibt hat sich der electro Scooter nach all diesen kilometern und obwohl problechmchen schon rentiert? Danke fur das Video
Klare Antwort: würde mein Arbeitgeber nicht den Strom zahlen, wäre ein Auto günstiger. Leider
@@prometeusz.jasinski Danke
@@prometeusz.jasinski Versicherung, Steuern, Benzin, Reparaturen.. auto wäre günstiger? Glaube ich nicht.
@@windows95_de ich rechne mal bei 20tkm durch. Definitiv weiß man es wenn die ersten teuren Defekte auftreten.
@@prometeusz.jasinski und hast du mal gerechnet?
How Manu kW u spent to Run 100km
2,9 kWh/60km. You can do the math. 😁
So do not buy NIU! Did not expect that. Thanks for the honest review.
I would rather appreciate a constructive conclusion by saying what to buy instead. Not sure which manufacturer is really better.
e 3 mil wts
The fork :(
Clean it with wd40 it ll protect ur bike from all corrosion.Lot of owners just dont give a shit and end up with a rusty bike.
I definitely won't bother getting one now !!!! Omg . Cheap crap
change buy better Gogoro
LOL, the GoPro 360 was already expensive enough
Thanks for sharing. The quality is shockingly bad. How can they let this piece of Chinese rubbish in the EU market remains a mystery.
Actually the dealer was selling KTM as well and was not willing to guarantee that a KTM would be better on salty streets. Which motorcycle would you recommend for winter riding?
@@prometeusz.jasinski I ride a 2017 Honda Vision 110i 🙂 it’s a 110cc scooter from Honda. 6,5 kW of power and 9 Nm of torque. Topspeed of around 55 mph/90 km/h.
I also ride my Honda Vision 110 in wintertime and also in very bad weather (including freezing temperatures).
The newprice of the Vision is 2.350€ here in Belgium 😁
Almost no rust or corrosion after 11.000 km’s, and I ride 8.000 km every year with it.
The fuel consumption on the highway on your commute to work at topspeed (always will hold 90 km/u) will be around 3,7 liters/100 km. So your 60 km commute every day will cost you around 4,2 Euro’s per day. So about 15€ per week 🙂
Only on the exhaust there is a bit rust, but that is normal. I can strongly recommend the Honda Vision 110 with confidence for a very good if not better alternative for your apparently medium-quality NIU e-scooter 👍🏻 you will be suprised of the premium build quality of the Honda Vision 110i 😉
Maybe do a testride and find out 😊
Junk
Of course they are shitty quality. These scooters are appx 7999 CNY in the official Chinese Niu store. That's just over 1000 euro. They are low budget vehicles.
I did now 33000 km and still running. As long as the quality is good enough for so many miles… do you have an alternative in mind?
@@prometeusz.jasinski That's precisely the issue. We can choose between shitty scooters with decent range, or decent scooters with shitty range. Decent brands like Yamaha, Honda, Kymco, Sym, Piaggio are not willing to introduce a reasonably priced midsized electric scooter with sufficient range for commuting. I don't want to pay €3500 for this type of questionable quality. :(
In Taiwan you can find Gogoro e-scooters for around €2000 and they also have a battery swap network + other brands are integrating their battery system. Much better situation than here.
@@MrSegmentfault luckily this is up to you :)