After driving e-4orce winter mixed mode for 8000km the average fuel consumption- 7.6l/100km. When the temperature warmed up to +10C fuel consumption dropped by 2l/100km. so definetly its not highway or winter economic car. But in city it is fast, economical and solid made SUV.
I recently chose a new car, switching from a Mazda 6 Wagon 2.5i Revolution Top with high suburban consumption. I wanted at least the same features such as a rear traffic alert, head-up display, keyless entry, and LED matrix. In addition, I wanted a panoramic window and a light interior and a 7 seater is big plus, I can take kids with grandparents for a one day trip. I mainly use the car for commuting, and it has to be visually appealing to me, this Nissan is. Fuel consumption is not my primary concern, I make about 10k kms per year. This car is great for driving around the city, and it's quiet and comfortable for its price. I only take long trips on the highway a few times a year. Moreover, this car can handle some off-road driving, and the 4WD system works well. From my perspective, I don't understand why people focus only on fuel economy, it's like a new religion to choose a car based on fuel consumption. I understand that this car might not be suitable for Norway, but I'm from the Czech Republic, and I'm really looking forward to owning this vehicle. The Outlander and RAV4 ussually compared with this, in my opinion, are unattractive both outside and inside. For example Ford Kuga is beautiful, but it has only a black interior, and the ST-Line version tends to bounce on the road. For me, this Nissan is an excellent car for my needs. I will never ever buy a diesel for my needs. Some comments are comparing, for example, German premium cars with V8 diesel engines, but those cars are so expensive (and you control everything on a stupid display :) that the diesel fuel savings will never pay off. Those are completely nonsensical comparisons.This car suits me well for comfortable family driving at a reasonable price, given its great features. For adrenaline driving, I have my Ducati Streetfighter V4s, which has the same fuel consumption as the Xtrail but weighs only 180 kg. My next car will be probalbly Nissan Aryia, when they make bigger car trunk. Peace :)
@@Zzeleni7 Probably is... I had been waiting for the 6-cylinder petrol CX60 for a long time, but it is not yet on sale. As we can see with the 6-cylinder diesel version, the price without the battery is not much better than the PHEV. I am bored with the black interior of Mazda and need a brighter change. The Takumi trim in Mazda is much more expensive than the Tekna+ in Nissan, and the seats are too flat in Mazda again.. my riding style mostly consists of shorter trips around town, totaling 10,000 km per year. Therefore, I will choose Nissan and see how it goes. Next time, I plan to go for a full EV, and I hope that they will make the Nissan Ariya with a larger boot space.
Compare this x-trail with the Ssangyong Rexton which has low and high switchable 4x4 also with an auto locker on the back. Yes the Rexton is a 2.2 diesel but it seems like it is a better car by far. Both warranty wise, drive wise and price wise.
anlattıklarınız konusunda aynı fikirdeyim, ayrıca bu arabanın performansı da iyi! ve söylediğiniz gibi arazi yetenekleri de harika, yerden 20 cm yüksek
I measured my gas car at 20 deg C and 0 deg C at the same piece of highway in two direcctions. Same speed (100 km/h). Difference, 15% more fuel efficient in summer conditions. Cw of my car is 0.27.
The Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV has a similar drivetrain and a similar fuel consumption. Only daily plugging in and short trips can save some money and the environment.
Mitsubishi PHEV may connect the gasoline engine directly to the front axle and drive the axle directly. Moreover, the 2.4 liter engine is atkinson cycle with no direct injection so the long term reliability is a huge difference.
I only drive around 5000km/year (mostly highway driving at 120km/h) and even if gasoline was $2/liter (it is less at the moment) it is just around $1000 in fuel cost. Comparing that with vehicle cost amortisation about $1800/year (best case as it is a used car) then about $1400 for mandatory insurance and registration/year and then maintenance and repairs on top of that (harder to estimate). I need to pay close to $5000/year to have a used vehicle and only 20% of that is the fuel cost. Getting a more efficient vehicle will just not help with anything in my case.
Appaling efficiency, especially considering the tech in this car. It's the worlds first production car which has a variable-compression engine! My guess is that Nissan did a cost optimisation purely focused in WLTP numbers, so focused in lower speeds, and some 'smart' battery management.
Infiniti has the turbo variable compression engine which I guess is the parent of the battery charger in this car. It has a reputation of being thirsty engine. But can run on very low quality fuel and I guess ethanol would be fine too. Con rods are always in optimal angle in this type of engine. Chinese Nissans have variable compression turbo engines and maybe in USA too.
Drove the now previous gen GLC300e on highways (Arlanda to Gällivare and back) and on highways the fuel consumption was 10,4, like the Nissan. Had a V90 T6 Recharge as a rental, also highway driving around Sweden, it got 9.0l/100km. PHEVs are compleatly useless for longer trips. I fuel the GLC one time 3x a day :D
This is supposed to offer at least some of the benefits of an EV with the range and refuelling advantage of an ICE vehicle. Your 1000km test would be interesting with a cost comparison.
@@davids.6671 €20 for 1000km, even if you drive a VW Lupo 3L (and reach 3 L/100km) it would require that you can buy diesel at 0,67 €/L... It doesn't really seem like a realistic scenario in Europe these days...
I had a BJ 1979 VW Passat with 70 hp and 1.6 l carburetor engine from 1983 to 1989. The consumption was 11 liter at 160 km/h average speed under normal conditions. Strong rain brought also 11 liter at only 100 km/h. Seems high humidity reduced the efficiency. Once I was driving max speed from Salzburg to Vienna at -14° C. The street was dry, but max speed was reduced to 150 km/h. Surprise in Vienna, out of gasoline, for luck I rolled to the next gasoline station. Despite the lower top speed, the consumption increased to 14 l.
I have a 2021 plate Honda CR-V Hybrid SR spec and it works in the same way apart from the CR-V has ECVT transmission and the X-Trail has No transmission to speak off also in the colder weather your MPG drops and gets better with warmer weather as batteries don’t like the cold full stop. If you do the same run in the summer and use the car for city driving the MPG will be vastly improved as any Hybrid is not good at motorways speeds and always excels in city driving conditions as in 30 to 40 mpg I get 50 > mpg in the summer months and winter just over 44mpg. Also having the 4 wheel drive option will also eat into your mpg and that improves on any 2 wheel drive vehicle. Cheers Alan B
I own a Merc A250E Sedan. Fuled it up with 100% gas and battery. My trip started from Borlänge (Sweden) and destination was Nordfjordeid (Norway), about 720 km. This was in the summer. I averaged about 0,46 l/10km which is pretty crazy!
We drive a Sportage hybrid and cold weather definitely affects the efficiency. In the summer last year when we got the car, our best was 5.5-5.6 liters on a full tank in the city. The average including lots of highway driving was 7.3 liters over 9000 km in the first several months which to be honest is really good! Winter came and this is now at 7.6 liters at the end of March, but I’m expecting it will go back down again because even last week when we had 15 degrees crazy worm weather for March, the consumption immediately went down at below 7 liters several days in a row when it was warm.
I get 4.2 liters / 100km at 80km/h highway in my Audi A4 40tdi if there is no snow but it increases to 5.2-5.5 if car and/or road is wet or snow covered.
I used to have a Toyota Auris Hybrid SW before going electric last year, I must say it was indeed very efficient ;Sub 5l in everyday driving, in mild weather close to 4, and even hammering it on long Holiday trips it was around 6 liters (doing 150ish - or as Bjoern would say 130 + VAT); But I think Toyota Hybrids are just way more efficient than the average Hybrid, given my personal experience.
It all depends on usage. First of all, with a proper efficient gas hybrid, you will get diesel or better efficiency numbers. If you drive a lot within 70-100km pr day, a plugin is perfect. Then you can be crazy efficient for a gas guzzler. But ofc EVs are much more efficient, so everything's relative.
They are good in town if you brake gently as the regen stores power for when you want to accelerate-and they are fairly quick off at the lights. In cities with low speed limits the aerodynamics doesn't matter much either. Vehicle weight does for that acceleration though -a Prius is inherently more efficient round down than this SUV
Would be super interesting to test an aerodynamic diesel car like BMW 320d! Great video Bjørn, this e-power thing seems to be the worst of both worlds though!
Björn! NICE! more of this! but remember when you are driving a dsl car that the car need to heat up the stupid DPF filter in the beginning. and that takes much fuel just to do that, short trips with a dsl is a bad consumption deal. :)
I am a bit surprised about the high consumption. I drove a Lexus RX400h hybrid from 2007 with a V6 and a 3.3 Liter engine that consumed less! The car was also heavy, about 2.2to.
I still drive one. It averages 32MPG in the summer at best and 28MPG in the winter at best. It's about to be replaced with a Nissan Ariya. Personally I find this e-power ideal to be a complete waste of time, energy and resources. I'm very disappointed in Nissan for going this way.
I'm driving my old 325d (6cyl./ 3.0L) every week 300km to work and 300km back, which regularly takes me 3 hours +/- 5minutes. It seems to be most efficient at around 20°C, and I usually need 5.6L/100km at dry conditions. At -10°C, it is 7.8L/100km at dry conditions. If it rains the complete way, this adds 0.6L/100km.
P.S.: I ordered an i4 edrive 40 and soon can compare. The share on the 300km is 50% motorway @140kph and 50% through rural and quite hilly/curvy areas with 90kph and some peaks when overtaking.
Bjorn - it might be interesting to run a comparison on the Volvo/Polestar line - Diesel, XC40, and a Polestar offering. Even if the aerodynamics were different it would be interesting to see the consumption of the creature comforts across one auto makers fosil and ev families.
Hello Bjoern. Do you have any plans to test the Honda Civic e:hev? Since it uses a similar setup like to one in this Nissan (but a naturally aspirated engine, which can drive the wheels at some higher speeds), it would be interesting to see
Yes, at 120km/h the fosil engine will spin the wheels. That should be more efficient than chargin the battery then run the electric engine at that speed.
Plus the fact that the petrol engine kinda simulates some gear changes so the sensation while flooring it is more natural compared to other hybrid systems with ecvt's.
From what I can find online the max power output of the engine is about 122 kW, with the combined power of the motors being 152 kW. This would imply that the 2.1 kWh battery is delivering up to 30 kW of power. That would be about 14C, seems high to me, am I overlooking something here?
@@handsofdoubt31 Mneah, I'll stay with my definition. The car is powered by an electric engine, there is no gearbox so I think electric car it is. It will work if you put a battery instead of the engine generator. Is a Tesla with an electric generator still an electric car? 😀
@@razvanlex Nope. It's fossil fuelled and therefore is and always will be a fossil car. The emissions haven't disappeared because it has an electric drive train. In fact it seems to be less efficient than a normal fossil car.
@@handsofdoubt31 Fossil fuelled doesn't mean it's not an electric car. Electric cars have batteries made with emissions at the beginning of their lives. In time they become neutral, but if they change batteries well, they repeat the process. Maybe if ALL the cars in the world were EURO 6d it would be a lot better? Don't get me wrong, I'm pro electric cars.
I think some comments are missing the point of the power train and whilst it might be questionable it likely does as Nissan intended. That aside I think its a bit daft to compare the efficiency of this car to a Tesla model S or X as you do because they are double if not triple the price. I think what would be more interesting as real world consumer comparison is how a base spec Nissan Aryia compares in the same conditions, as that is “new tech” and probably similar in price to a top spec xtrail.
Didn´t think you will ever test the e-power. 😁 In the city it consumes less. It isn´t so bad as it looks like here. It´s also very heavy. The e-power is for people who are not certain about EVs so it is for them. Not pointless like people say. EVs are not there 100%. The problem with hybrids is that many people NEVER charge up their batteries and only fuel up the tank. For them there is the e-power. 😁 So it´s mostly for the city. What many people will do. It´s very popular in Japan. They made many changes for Europe because in Europe you drive faster and many highway drives. Will there be more tests?
"The e-power is for people who are not certain about EVs so it is for them" They already have plenty of hybrids to choose from which will deliver a similar experience and far better economy. e-power is just green washing nonsense. They should be focusing on full BEV. Time is running out and this tech will not help.
Well that's splitting hairs. It has a fossil engine....it just doesn't happen to directly drive the wheels. This is a classic case of over engineering.
My (now sold) Kia Soul did two round trips from NYC to Chicago while I owned it. One in December/Jan one on August. Distance is approx 820 miles (1320 km). Winter got 26 mpg or 9.05 l/100km. Summer was 33 mpg (7.13 l/100km). Gas cars are just inefficient, whichever way the fossil companies want to sell their lies to you. We need to continue improving EV batteries so that 500 km summer range becomes normal at highway speeds. ICE is dead.
Most likely the rpm is gapped at 4800 rpm is the voltage produced by the generator. Gen is probably a permanent magnet generator meaning the voltage produced is linear, i.e. if it produces 300V at 1500rpm it would over 900V at 4800rpm.. all the capacitors in drive train would blow up. So reason for gapped RPM is the voltage produced by genset.
The new bmw x1 with 45km battery is really nice , did rent it when i went to iceland last year, Nice to force electric mode when going uphill and when it was flat go over to petrol and charge the battery.
I have a 1.8L Nissan. Last summer I made a 600km trip at an average speed of ~105 KPH and my consumption was 5.5L/100km. I made the same trip this winter, temperature 1- 3degrees and consumption was 6.1L/100km. The consumption you experienced was not very good. My previous car, a 2010 Dodge with a 3.4L engine, made the same trip 10L/100km.
Wow, 9.66 l/100km is the worst single tank my Ioniq Plug-in has ever got, and that was on a 700 km trip at sustained 120 km/h highway speeds with a passenger, luggage, snowboards, and two 29" mountain bikes on the roof. Driver-only winter highway at 125 km/h is 7 l/100km, lifetime average is 3.5. Incidentally, just like the X-Trail e-Power it burns 1.5 l/h when idling the engine for heat, putting 2 kW into the battery according to Torque Pro. Now that we've replaced the Santa Fe XL with a three-row Model Y the Ioniq is the guzzler now.
I can see why some PHEVs have a clutch for freeway driving. The mechanical connection at higher speed does offer better efficiency than gas engine to the generator, to battery, to wheels. However, in mixed and city driving, it's good
EV only mode is just for short distances, parking garages e.g.. Regularly the Hybrid Synergy Drive choses itself which engine it uses - and it should be able to stay in EV way beyond 40km/h. Even my 2008 Prius could do up to 65 until the ICE kicked in.
@@Timico1000 yes correct, it is most often automatically engaged when start/stopping or sometimes to assist at higher speeds - point is though that the EV mode button is a total gimmick and has no real purpose 😂 corolla cross has hard coded in disabling EV mode beyond 40km/h
Hybrid heating in Winter: When coming to a stop at a traffic light, turn of the AC. The engine will stop. when the traffic light turns green, turn back on the heat. With A prius I really could lower the consumtion that way. and it would be interesting if it can be be converted to plug-in, as it is done in the US with prius and others.
Nah. The diesel is twice as expensive to buy than the hybrid. In fact hybrids are the cheapest in any car, by far. Lets take a Volvo as an example. A V60 T8 with 455hp and the highest specs incl B&W etc is more than €20.000 cheaper than a V60 B4 with 197hp and the lowest specs.
The idea behind the e-power engine is very good theoretically, but terrible in practice for fuel consumption. Nissan should have just made a regular (parallel) hybrid like Toyota, ford, kia, etc. It would have had better consumption. The X-Trail is beautiful though IMO.
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They could have put 2 gear setup on front electric motor for better efficiency at higher speeds like Renault did with its multimode gearbox. 2 speeds for electric motor, 5 for ice in Austral or Espace
Both my Honda and Subaru gas cars have a greater fuel economy loss in cold weather than my 2022 Model Y LR as long as I warm the battery before leaving. Surprisingly the Tesla is better on ice and snow (mid Minnesota) than even the Subaru. In fact I kept the Subbie for winter use and then hardly used it.
If cycled between 30-70% you can duplicate its cycle life 5x times easily, if not more, also add to the equation that the e-Power system can power the electric motor directly from generator to inverter completely bypassing the battery when not needed, like cruising for example.
My Kia Sportage PHEV consumes around 1.5l/100km when you drive on battery and use engine to heat the cabin. This is when you drive around 80-90km/h. Slower you drive the highest the fuel consumption per 100km is.
X-Trail e-Power is not traditional ICEV. Engine is a power generator (similar to REX) and has two electric motors. That means has same range rules like BEV except for heating of the cabin.
I'm really very surprised by this high consumption. Other tests in higher ambient tempertures managed 5...7l/100km. May the additional fuel is needed to heat the cabin.
Usually just a thermostat in the cooling system which restricts the amount of coolant until it reaches around 80C. A PTC heater would drain the (tiny) battery in this before you dropped the kids off at school.
ICE cars are less economical in winter as the engine starts on cold cycle. In the old days you used to pull out the 'choke' which would richen the fuel mixture for cold starting which used more fuel. In modern times this is done automatically by engine management systems. So in winter all ICE engines over fuel to warm up the engine
Petrol hybrids have always given poor economy at higher speeds in cold weather, it's why the Germans preferred big diesels on the Autobahn, but EV's are are no different, an MG ZS from your tests did 30kWh/100km in -3C @ 120km/h, with a max range of 144km :) The brand new Toyota bz4x that costs €60,000 or something silly does 200km at 120km/h in 6c on your tests, ID 3 58kWh had a max range of 188km in cold winter. You need a battery that weights as much as a couple of strongmen to do 400km in winter sadly
Not sure if youre test is accurate. We own this car 1 month and I drove from Bilbao in Spain to St Raphael France (950 klm ) with average speed of 110km/h - cruise set at 145 so I was fast driving, I used 75l of fuel. Temp was 20 degrees on average.
This kind of hybrid is just for emissions cheating I think. It's a compliance car so it will show less consumption when tested on a dyno. Under regular use you get just disadvantages with this kind of powertrain, no better performance, minimal savings, increased weight, higher complexity of the car, more expensive services and none of the EV incentives.
Let's the manufacturers keep selling them after bans on pure ICE comes out; reduces vehicle tax today (UK) and let's the fossil fuel companies and countries carry on as usual. They really are an intermediate design.
To me all hybrids are not efficient at all, first the added weight and the engine must push the car plus charge the battery at the same time and all this added tech is to complex and more prone to trouble and expensive, but it a good test to show people, good job Bjorne
bütün testten çıkardığım sonuç şu, fosil araçların motor kısmı dış ortamdan izole edilmeli, kapalı ortamdaki ısı, hem arabanın içini hem yakıtı hem de araca giren havayı uygun sıcaklığa getirmek için kullanılmalı.
Even my first gasoline Renault Espace from 1988 consumed less. 11 l/100 km for 140 km/h, but at 168 km/h average 17 l/100 km. Since 2014 a Dacia Lodgy Diesel minivan. Would guess at Your driving style 5.5 l/100 km
You should test the Honda Jazz - we've had ours since August last year and we're getting anywhere from 2.5l/100km to 4.2l/100km - average during winter, with winter tyres in Switzerland conditions was around 3.9l/100km. I test drove the new Civic recently, and it was almost comparable. Motorway driving is circa 4.4l/100km for the Jazz. It's probably the best Hybrid system I've driven so far...
@@dkostasx sure, you've got a strong point there, but not all hybrid systems are managed in the same manner. Perhaps a better comparison would be the CR-V...
Jazz is spending a lot of fuel for heating in cold weather. Whenever the temperature drops below +5'C the consumption becomes worse and worse with every couple of degrees. It's a pity they have not put in PTC heater. Mine has so much leftover energy in slow city traffic in winter. Why not to use it for heating instead of fuel burner.
Can you ask Hyundai to test Santa Fe PHEV with this same test? It has a really good hybrid system, but would be interesting to see if it is less thirsty...
@@Old-Bald-and-Grumpy I think his numbers are a exaggerated or not true. I get around 7km from 1 kWh in summer (in perfect conditions even 8 km) and around 5,5km in winter. If it's really cold (finnish winter with -26°C) then around 4 km/kWh.
my friend has the nissan kick e-power, it drive just like ev but you don’t need to charge it. She was getting ev at first but at that price there are no really a good choice of ev
My ICE Subaru XV gets about 29mpg in the winter (with heater etc on) vs 43mpg in the summer. When its below -5c, it will keep the revs up to keep all fluids warm. I seen one video from Russia, where it was near -30c, the revs would not idle below 2k rpm even after a hour of driving
Good video. I would definitely guess these really bad cold weather results are down to the unusual serial hybrid drive train. I think the traditional diesel style, ideally with manual gearbox would be much less bad in really cold weather. Whatever model of diesel you drive I guess they'll always be way worse for the planet than a BEV - especially in Norway where your mains electricity is exceptionally low CO2. It might be interesting to test the very best diesel against a poor ev (like that Toyota) to see what the situation is for CO2, 1,000km time etc. (I think the best diesel might be something like a Ford Focus.. One or two of these actually claim over 1,000 km range, which would be interesting.)
Interesting test, however I think the results were as expected from a series-hybrid . First, the waste heat is not enough for cold weather since the load on the combustion engine is not high enough at steady speeds. Secondly, the excessive consumption when driving in the snow (high rolling resistance) will be much more similar to what an EV would get, again caused by the comb. engine not having to work in its optimal range. Remember that the efficiency of an electric motor is already really good at low loads while an ICE (specially diesels) get more efficient if running at higher loads. Compare this to an efficient petrol or diesel and the results will be different.
How will this battery will last with time ? I feel like the car is charging / discharging the battery all the time, so battery cycle will be enormous. There has to be something I am missing or don't understand. If it has a 1.8kWh (usable) lithium battery which is used fully in 3km. Li-Ion battery have up to 4'000 discharge cycle so it would mean after 4000*3 = 12'000km the battery is already at 60% of it's peak max value. Surely I am missing something there ? Maybe electricity could go directly from Generator to Drive Train ?
4'000 discharge cycle means 100%-0%-100%. E-power system doesn't use the battery this way, even if you will press ev mode button all the time. I saw note e-power with 100k km and serena e-power with 150k km, they don't have any problems with the battery. E-power drive train gets juice only from the battery
Most likely a special chemistry to withstand many cycles. Mitsubishi uses something like 4.000 cycles battery tech... Toyota...well, they use NiMh from a few decades ago 🤣😂
It's be a lot easier/cheaper to swap out a battery-but you have to consider whether something like. 25% degradation in battery capacity is going to make much of a difference in vehicle value
You have to take into account that the e-Power system can also bypass the battery and power the electric motor directly from the generator to inverter.
@@Artem-xt6cdit doesn't work like that. Even if you use just for instance 100-95% cycles, it will just take 20.000 of those short cycles. It still the same 4.000 full cycles
my previous car(petrol) would consume as much as 8.5l/100km in during short trips in winter. pretty much means i would only need a 60kWh battery to have to charge it just as often as i had to fuel my car.
Yes, still many fossile fuel lovers out there. The same people, if they were used to EVs, and you wanted to tell them how cool ICE cars are, would be super angry: "Whaaat? You want to take away my driving dynamics? And you want to poison the air that my children breathe in?"
I hope that you also calculate the Wh/km consuption on fossile cars. The rise in consumption in fossile cars should also be calculated in rise of Wh/km rather than percent.
3:50 Are you talking about Diesels with a hybrid battery for 0.6L/hr? Because keep in mind there is a load on the engine, charging said battery pack, as the ICE isn't connected to the wheels.
I basically did just this kind of run here in BC with 2 different cars. The distance was 900km. On my way down it cost me $26 in charging with 7 charging stops, 2 of which were free. If I was to have paid for those sessions it would have brought the total cost to $40. I then sold my Bolt to someone else and bought a Long range Dual Motor Model 3. On my return it cost $26 at the superchargers and 2 stops. A comparable run in an Ice car would be around $150 while a pick up would cost around $300. Unfortunately for me I am headed back down in a pickup (with a trailer) that only burns diesel. I am doing this for a buddy who lost his mom over the winter to a simple slip and fall accident, so it’s a good reason to burn the expensive heat production liquid!
Reading old comments people are totally off not understanding why and to who full hybrid petrol cars are for. They are intended for heavy city driving or short distances thats where they are fuel economic. Granted Nissan advertised average consumption doesnt add up. They consume more than CRV but on paper CRV says 6.7l/100km compared to 6.4 to Nissan. The problem i had with picking Nissan or CRV is that Nissan has 3 cylinder Turbo engine. I dont like that. It makes more noise and pushed engine wear faster as it has to do a lot more work than CRV 4 cylinder and no turbo. On highway 120-130km/h its mostly same as regular petrol engine cars unless you drive carefully and use breaking or generative power better. And in winter under 0c ANY petrol will consume more fuel +2 l/100 is totally average to all them.
For those of us who's been driving a few years now this was no bombshell. At least if paying attention and not driven by ideology. Then compare with fossils only driving 4-5 km to work not getting up it's temperature. Then the consumption will rocket up.
The vehicle would be more efficient as a pure ICE system without all the losses to turn fossil fuel into electricity. This vehicle is a totally unnecessary waste if time.
The missing link between ICE and the drivetrain make it more quiet than a pure ICE. Also no gearbox needed. But a Honda or Toyota Hybrid should be more efficient due to the direct drive of the ICE.
ICE has to deliver as much power as electric motor uses. And wasre a lot due its low efficiency. Lack of gearbox means lower losses on transmission, but then conversion to electricity taked its toll. It would make more sense with bigger battery rechargeable st home wall box and ice only as emergency charger, but... It would cost two hands and two legs
@@Old-Bald-and-Grumpy Not necessarily. The mitsubishi PHEV works like this vehicle(except it has a single ratio direct drive for cruising) but it has a decent sized battery without being too expensive.
@@martin5697 it depends on where you drive. These hybrid systems are very efficient in the city or on cross-country trips, but consume significantly more on the motorway.
@@martin5697 You could have a fixed ratio gearbox (single gear) to run direct drive at highway speeds, and use pure electric at lower speeds, like the Chevy volt, you'd get both a quiet and efficient car. The chevy unfortunately does not have a particularily efficient engine, but it was a good idea
If you really want to test the most fuel efficient fossil car, please test a Toyota Prius Plugin. I know you are not a fan of this model, but maybe the test results and the workings of the planetary gear box will convince you.
After driving e-4orce winter mixed mode for 8000km the average fuel consumption- 7.6l/100km. When the temperature warmed up to +10C fuel consumption dropped by 2l/100km. so definetly its not highway or winter economic car. But in city it is fast, economical and solid made SUV.
Therefore making it pointless. You don't need a 2+ ton AWD SUV in the city.
I recently chose a new car, switching from a Mazda 6 Wagon 2.5i Revolution Top with high suburban consumption. I wanted at least the same features such as a rear traffic alert, head-up display, keyless entry, and LED matrix. In addition, I wanted a panoramic window and a light interior and a 7 seater is big plus, I can take kids with grandparents for a one day trip. I mainly use the car for commuting, and it has to be visually appealing to me, this Nissan is. Fuel consumption is not my primary concern, I make about 10k kms per year. This car is great for driving around the city, and it's quiet and comfortable for its price. I only take long trips on the highway a few times a year. Moreover, this car can handle some off-road driving, and the 4WD system works well. From my perspective, I don't understand why people focus only on fuel economy, it's like a new religion to choose a car based on fuel consumption. I understand that this car might not be suitable for Norway, but I'm from the Czech Republic, and I'm really looking forward to owning this vehicle. The Outlander and RAV4 ussually compared with this, in my opinion, are unattractive both outside and inside. For example Ford Kuga is beautiful, but it has only a black interior, and the ST-Line version tends to bounce on the road. For me, this Nissan is an excellent car for my needs. I will never ever buy a diesel for my needs. Some comments are comparing, for example, German premium cars with V8 diesel engines, but those cars are so expensive (and you control everything on a stupid display :) that the diesel fuel savings will never pay off. Those are completely nonsensical comparisons.This car suits me well for comfortable family driving at a reasonable price, given its great features. For adrenaline driving, I have my Ducati Streetfighter V4s, which has the same fuel consumption as the Xtrail but weighs only 180 kg. My next car will be probalbly Nissan Aryia, when they make bigger car trunk. Peace :)
Isnt a Mazda cx60 better option?
@@Zzeleni7 Probably is... I had been waiting for the 6-cylinder petrol CX60 for a long time, but it is not yet on sale. As we can see with the 6-cylinder diesel version, the price without the battery is not much better than the PHEV. I am bored with the black interior of Mazda and need a brighter change. The Takumi trim in Mazda is much more expensive than the Tekna+ in Nissan, and the seats are too flat in Mazda again.. my riding style mostly consists of shorter trips around town, totaling 10,000 km per year. Therefore, I will choose Nissan and see how it goes. Next time, I plan to go for a full EV, and I hope that they will make the Nissan Ariya with a larger boot space.
How is your fuel consumption? Let's say driving 60kmh, then 80kmh and 120kmh? What are the numbers, and what is the average so far? Thanks.
Compare this x-trail with the Ssangyong Rexton which has low and high switchable 4x4 also with an auto locker on the back. Yes the Rexton is a 2.2 diesel but it seems like it is a better car by far. Both warranty wise, drive wise and price wise.
anlattıklarınız konusunda aynı fikirdeyim, ayrıca bu arabanın performansı da iyi! ve söylediğiniz gibi arazi yetenekleri de harika, yerden 20 cm yüksek
Really interesting. Would be awesome if could test it with a pure diesel like you said at the end
Similar car with fresh modern diesel would be great comparison.
I measured my gas car at 20 deg C and 0 deg C at the same piece of highway in two direcctions. Same speed (100 km/h). Difference, 15% more fuel efficient in summer conditions. Cw of my car is 0.27.
The Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV has a similar drivetrain and a similar fuel consumption. Only daily plugging in and short trips can save some money and the environment.
Mitsubishi PHEV may connect the gasoline engine directly to the front axle and drive the axle directly. Moreover, the 2.4 liter engine is atkinson cycle with no direct injection so the long term reliability is a huge difference.
Fossilbjorn 😅
😂😂
E-4ossilbjørn!
I only drive around 5000km/year (mostly highway driving at 120km/h) and even if gasoline was $2/liter (it is less at the moment) it is just around $1000 in fuel cost.
Comparing that with vehicle cost amortisation about $1800/year (best case as it is a used car) then about $1400 for mandatory insurance and registration/year and then maintenance and repairs on top of that (harder to estimate).
I need to pay close to $5000/year to have a used vehicle and only 20% of that is the fuel cost. Getting a more efficient vehicle will just not help with anything in my case.
Appaling efficiency, especially considering the tech in this car. It's the worlds first production car which has a variable-compression engine! My guess is that Nissan did a cost optimisation purely focused in WLTP numbers, so focused in lower speeds, and some 'smart' battery management.
Infiniti has the turbo variable compression engine which I guess is the parent of the battery charger in this car. It has a reputation of being thirsty engine. But can run on very low quality fuel and I guess ethanol would be fine too. Con rods are always in optimal angle in this type of engine. Chinese Nissans have variable compression turbo engines and maybe in USA too.
Love the sed command at 2:07
It was meant to be Perl.
Drove the now previous gen GLC300e on highways (Arlanda to Gällivare and back) and on highways the fuel consumption was 10,4, like the Nissan. Had a V90 T6 Recharge as a rental, also highway driving around Sweden, it got 9.0l/100km. PHEVs are compleatly useless for longer trips. I fuel the GLC one time 3x a day :D
This is supposed to offer at least some of the benefits of an EV with the range and refuelling advantage of an ICE vehicle. Your 1000km test would be interesting with a cost comparison.
@@davids.6671 €20 for 1000km, even if you drive a VW Lupo 3L (and reach 3 L/100km) it would require that you can buy diesel at 0,67 €/L...
It doesn't really seem like a realistic scenario in Europe these days...
I had a BJ 1979 VW Passat with 70 hp and 1.6 l carburetor engine from 1983 to 1989.
The consumption was 11 liter at 160 km/h average speed under normal conditions.
Strong rain brought also 11 liter at only 100 km/h. Seems high humidity reduced the efficiency.
Once I was driving max speed from Salzburg to Vienna at -14° C. The street was dry, but max speed was reduced to 150 km/h.
Surprise in Vienna, out of gasoline, for luck I rolled to the next gasoline station.
Despite the lower top speed, the consumption increased to 14 l.
I have a 2021 plate Honda CR-V Hybrid SR spec and it works in the same way apart from the CR-V has ECVT transmission and the X-Trail has No transmission to speak off also in the colder weather your MPG drops and gets better with warmer weather as batteries don’t like the cold full stop. If you do the same run in the summer and use the car for city driving the MPG will be vastly improved as any Hybrid is not good at motorways speeds and always excels in city driving conditions as in 30 to 40 mpg I get 50 > mpg in the summer months and winter just over 44mpg. Also having the 4 wheel drive option will also eat into your mpg and that improves on any 2 wheel drive vehicle. Cheers Alan B
My NSX has a 1.x kWh battery and there's also this "Quiet" mode too. The battery level drops like a rock just like in your test too.
I own a Merc A250E Sedan. Fuled it up with 100% gas and battery. My trip started from Borlänge (Sweden) and destination was Nordfjordeid (Norway), about 720 km. This was in the summer. I averaged about 0,46 l/10km which is pretty crazy!
We drive a Sportage hybrid and cold weather definitely affects the efficiency. In the summer last year when we got the car, our best was 5.5-5.6 liters on a full tank in the city. The average including lots of highway driving was 7.3 liters over 9000 km in the first several months which to be honest is really good! Winter came and this is now at 7.6 liters at the end of March, but I’m expecting it will go back down again because even last week when we had 15 degrees crazy worm weather for March, the consumption immediately went down at below 7 liters several days in a row when it was warm.
7,6 liters is really good? you would go way farther with the same money if spent on charging an EV
I get 4.2 liters / 100km at 80km/h highway in my Audi A4 40tdi if there is no snow but it increases to 5.2-5.5 if car and/or road is wet or snow covered.
Skoda Octavia 1.6 TDI, Sommer highway (140km/h) 5.5 winter 6.2 …. I have no more question 😂😂😂 thanks Hybrid cars, very bad idea
@@norbertkiss8919 Get a diesel hybrid then.
@@maeguk1 depends how much your kWh and diesel L costs. Here ionity costs 0.9 eur/kWh and diesel is 1.36€/L...
i was literally thinking about this yesterday. I didnt believe all the crazy efficiency claims of hybrids
Fwiw, my 2021 hybrid Toyota Sienna gets in the 6l/100km in summer. Did a big 2000km trip with 4 adults and a toddler. It was around 7.1.
Winter is 9
This is different to other typical hybrids though
I used to have a Toyota Auris Hybrid SW before going electric last year, I must say it was indeed very efficient ;Sub 5l in everyday driving, in mild weather close to 4, and even hammering it on long Holiday trips it was around 6 liters (doing 150ish - or as Bjoern would say 130 + VAT); But I think Toyota Hybrids are just way more efficient than the average Hybrid, given my personal experience.
It all depends on usage. First of all, with a proper efficient gas hybrid, you will get diesel or better efficiency numbers. If you drive a lot within 70-100km pr day, a plugin is perfect. Then you can be crazy efficient for a gas guzzler. But ofc EVs are much more efficient, so everything's relative.
They are good in town if you brake gently as the regen stores power for when you want to accelerate-and they are fairly quick off at the lights. In cities with low speed limits the aerodynamics doesn't matter much either. Vehicle weight does for that acceleration though -a Prius is inherently more efficient round down than this SUV
Would be super interesting to test an aerodynamic diesel car like BMW 320d! Great video Bjørn, this e-power thing seems to be the worst of both worlds though!
Björn! NICE! more of this! but remember when you are driving a dsl car that the car need to heat up the stupid DPF filter in the beginning. and that takes much fuel just to do that, short trips with a dsl is a bad consumption deal. :)
I am a bit surprised about the high consumption. I drove a Lexus RX400h hybrid from 2007 with a V6 and a 3.3 Liter engine that consumed less! The car was also heavy, about 2.2to.
No surprise for me since this car has a 1.5l 3 cyl engine...
I still drive one. It averages 32MPG in the summer at best and 28MPG in the winter at best. It's about to be replaced with a Nissan Ariya. Personally I find this e-power ideal to be a complete waste of time, energy and resources. I'm very disappointed in Nissan for going this way.
Already a big thumbs up for using regex in a TH-cam video :-)
Wow it looks like its pretty cold in Norway but in the UK the winter has long gone.
Very interesting findings, good video
I'm driving my old 325d (6cyl./ 3.0L) every week 300km to work and 300km back, which regularly takes me 3 hours +/- 5minutes. It seems to be most efficient at around 20°C, and I usually need 5.6L/100km at dry conditions. At -10°C, it is 7.8L/100km at dry conditions. If it rains the complete way, this adds 0.6L/100km.
P.S.: I ordered an i4 edrive 40 and soon can compare. The share on the 300km is 50% motorway @140kph and 50% through rural and quite hilly/curvy areas with 90kph and some peaks when overtaking.
Bjorn - it might be interesting to run a comparison on the Volvo/Polestar line - Diesel, XC40, and a Polestar offering. Even if the aerodynamics were different it would be interesting to see the consumption of the creature comforts across one auto makers fosil and ev families.
XC40 would be the choice as it can be had with all powertrains (full fossil, hybrid, BEV).
Just compare the XC40 diesel vs electric 🤷🏻♂️. Seems like the obvious choice in this class.
Great work👍
You should also test EV vs fossil, with and without trailer.
Stand back! Björn knows regular expressions!
Hello Bjoern. Do you have any plans to test the Honda Civic e:hev? Since it uses a similar setup like to one in this Nissan (but a naturally aspirated engine, which can drive the wheels at some higher speeds), it would be interesting to see
Yes, at 120km/h the fosil engine will spin the wheels. That should be more efficient than chargin the battery then run the electric engine at that speed.
Plus the fact that the petrol engine kinda simulates some gear changes so the sensation while flooring it is more natural compared to other hybrid systems with ecvt's.
From what I can find online the max power output of the engine is about 122 kW, with the combined power of the motors being 152 kW. This would imply that the 2.1 kWh battery is delivering up to 30 kW of power. That would be about 14C, seems high to me, am I overlooking something here?
can't believe Bjorn is doing a gasoline carrrr
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It's an electric car that has a gasoline engine as a battery...
@@razvanlex Or a fossil car with an electric drivetrain.
@@handsofdoubt31 Mneah, I'll stay with my definition. The car is powered by an electric engine, there is no gearbox so I think electric car it is. It will work if you put a battery instead of the engine generator.
Is a Tesla with an electric generator still an electric car? 😀
@@razvanlex Nope. It's fossil fuelled and therefore is and always will be a fossil car. The emissions haven't disappeared because it has an electric drive train. In fact it seems to be less efficient than a normal fossil car.
@@handsofdoubt31 Fossil fuelled doesn't mean it's not an electric car. Electric cars have batteries made with emissions at the beginning of their lives. In time they become neutral, but if they change batteries well, they repeat the process.
Maybe if ALL the cars in the world were EURO 6d it would be a lot better?
Don't get me wrong, I'm pro electric cars.
I think some comments are missing the point of the power train and whilst it might be questionable it likely does as Nissan intended.
That aside I think its a bit daft to compare the efficiency of this car to a Tesla model S or X as you do because they are double if not triple the price.
I think what would be more interesting as real world consumer comparison is how a base spec Nissan Aryia compares in the same conditions, as that is “new tech” and probably similar in price to a top spec xtrail.
Didn´t think you will ever test the e-power. 😁 In the city it consumes less. It isn´t so bad as it looks like here. It´s also very heavy.
The e-power is for people who are not certain about EVs so it is for them. Not pointless like people say. EVs are not there 100%. The problem with hybrids is that many people NEVER charge up their batteries and only fuel up the tank. For them there is the e-power. 😁
So it´s mostly for the city. What many people will do.
It´s very popular in Japan. They made many changes for Europe because in Europe you drive faster and many highway drives.
Will there be more tests?
"The e-power is for people who are not certain about EVs so it is for them" They already have plenty of hybrids to choose from which will deliver a similar experience and far better economy. e-power is just green washing nonsense. They should be focusing on full BEV. Time is running out and this tech will not help.
Thank you for the film.
"Borrow PURE diesel" you say... 😂
Nice! I was curious to hear more about this e-force thingy
Very interesting, 20% is a lot I did not expect that!
@2:35 omg I totally forgot about the exhaust that used to flow into my car before I switched to electric!
I am sorry Bjorn, this is NOT a fossile car, but an “EV car with the fossil fuelled generator”.
Well that's splitting hairs. It has a fossil engine....it just doesn't happen to directly drive the wheels. This is a classic case of over engineering.
My 8 year old bmw with 6 cylinder diesel 313 hp consumes 5,6 at 90 km.h :-)
My (now sold) Kia Soul did two round trips from NYC to Chicago while I owned it. One in December/Jan one on August. Distance is approx 820 miles (1320 km). Winter got 26 mpg or 9.05 l/100km. Summer was 33 mpg (7.13 l/100km).
Gas cars are just inefficient, whichever way the fossil companies want to sell their lies to you. We need to continue improving EV batteries so that 500 km summer range becomes normal at highway speeds. ICE is dead.
Same with diesel. If it goes below -20C then it is at about 20% increase in fuel burn.
Most likely the rpm is gapped at 4800 rpm is the voltage produced by the generator. Gen is probably a permanent magnet generator meaning the voltage produced is linear, i.e. if it produces 300V at 1500rpm it would over 900V at 4800rpm.. all the capacitors in drive train would blow up.
So reason for gapped RPM is the voltage produced by genset.
The new bmw x1 with 45km battery is really nice , did rent it when i went to iceland last year,
Nice to force electric mode when going uphill and when it was flat go over to petrol and charge the battery.
I have a 1.8L Nissan. Last summer I made a 600km trip at an average speed of ~105 KPH and my consumption was 5.5L/100km. I made the same trip this winter, temperature 1- 3degrees and consumption was 6.1L/100km. The consumption you experienced was not very good.
My previous car, a 2010 Dodge with a 3.4L engine, made the same trip 10L/100km.
Hello from ukraine.
Thank you for test. I think x trail has bad result because traditional heating system. They should install heatpump on it
Wow, 9.66 l/100km is the worst single tank my Ioniq Plug-in has ever got, and that was on a 700 km trip at sustained 120 km/h highway speeds with a passenger, luggage, snowboards, and two 29" mountain bikes on the roof. Driver-only winter highway at 125 km/h is 7 l/100km, lifetime average is 3.5. Incidentally, just like the X-Trail e-Power it burns 1.5 l/h when idling the engine for heat, putting 2 kW into the battery according to Torque Pro. Now that we've replaced the Santa Fe XL with a three-row Model Y the Ioniq is the guzzler now.
I can see why some PHEVs have a clutch for freeway driving. The mechanical connection at higher speed does offer better efficiency than gas engine to the generator, to battery, to wheels. However, in mixed and city driving, it's good
Similarly my wife’s Toyota Corolla cross Hybrid has an EV only mode. I tested it to have a 3.5km nominal range 😂 staying below 40km/h or it cuts out
EV only mode is just for short distances, parking garages e.g.. Regularly the Hybrid Synergy Drive choses itself which engine it uses - and it should be able to stay in EV way beyond 40km/h. Even my 2008 Prius could do up to 65 until the ICE kicked in.
@@Timico1000 yes correct, it is most often automatically engaged when start/stopping or sometimes to assist at higher speeds - point is though that the EV mode button is a total gimmick and has no real purpose 😂 corolla cross has hard coded in disabling EV mode beyond 40km/h
@@MrUled I've got an Ioniq Hybrid and it doesn't even have an EV-button. My P2 had one but i never used it.
I don't see the point of this engine, indeed the Xtrail is a big car, but still, it's a very high consumption for a hybrid
Hybrid heating in Winter: When coming to a stop at a traffic light, turn of the AC. The engine will stop.
when the traffic light turns green, turn back on the heat. With A prius I really could lower the consumtion that way.
and it would be interesting if it can be be converted to plug-in, as it is done in the US with prius and others.
Try a BMW 730/740Xd and then do the 1000km challenge. :)
Diesel is still less expensive than any hybrid vehicle.. But the best is pure electric! ❤
Nah. The diesel is twice as expensive to buy than the hybrid. In fact hybrids are the cheapest in any car, by far. Lets take a Volvo as an example. A V60 T8 with 455hp and the highest specs incl B&W etc is more than €20.000 cheaper than a V60 B4 with 197hp and the lowest specs.
Same consumption as a Volvo 740 1988 automatic, nice Nissan!
The idea behind the e-power engine is very good theoretically, but terrible in practice for fuel consumption. Nissan should have just made a regular (parallel) hybrid like Toyota, ford, kia, etc. It would have had better consumption. The X-Trail is beautiful though IMO.
They could have put 2 gear setup on front electric motor for better efficiency at higher speeds like Renault did with its multimode gearbox. 2 speeds for electric motor, 5 for ice in Austral or Espace
Both my Honda and Subaru gas cars have a greater fuel economy loss in cold weather than my 2022 Model Y LR as long as I warm the battery before leaving. Surprisingly the Tesla is better on ice and snow (mid Minnesota) than even the Subaru. In fact I kept the Subbie for winter use and then hardly used it.
I wonder how long this tiny battery will last. 2.1 kwh, which is constantly being charged and discharged at a multiple of its own capacity.
If cycled between 30-70% you can duplicate its cycle life 5x times easily, if not more, also add to the equation that the e-Power system can power the electric motor directly from generator to inverter completely bypassing the battery when not needed, like cruising for example.
I love that you take care to correctly pronounce the weird name :D
My Kia Sportage PHEV consumes around 1.5l/100km when you drive on battery and use engine to heat the cabin. This is when you drive around 80-90km/h. Slower you drive the highest the fuel consumption per 100km is.
Haha, the annual "April fools day" Bjørn video where he drives an ICE car. Love it 😂🤣
X-Trail e-Power is not traditional ICEV. Engine is a power generator (similar to REX) and has two electric motors. That means has same range rules like BEV except for heating of the cabin.
I'm really very surprised by this high consumption. Other tests in higher ambient tempertures managed 5...7l/100km. May the additional fuel is needed to heat the cabin.
Hey Bjorn, it should have ptc heater to speed up the heating on cold starts. Most of fossils have some system to speed up the warming of engine.
Usually just a thermostat in the cooling system which restricts the amount of coolant until it reaches around 80C. A PTC heater would drain the (tiny) battery in this before you dropped the kids off at school.
ICE cars are less economical in winter as the engine starts on cold cycle.
In the old days you used to pull out the 'choke' which would richen the fuel mixture for cold starting which used more fuel.
In modern times this is done automatically by engine management systems.
So in winter all ICE engines over fuel to warm up the engine
Petrol hybrids have always given poor economy at higher speeds in cold weather, it's why the Germans preferred big diesels on the Autobahn, but EV's are are no different, an MG ZS from your tests did 30kWh/100km in -3C @ 120km/h, with a max range of 144km :) The brand new Toyota bz4x that costs €60,000 or something silly does 200km at 120km/h in 6c on your tests, ID 3 58kWh had a max range of 188km in cold winter. You need a battery that weights as much as a couple of strongmen to do 400km in winter sadly
Not sure if youre test is accurate. We own this car 1 month and I drove from Bilbao in Spain to St Raphael France (950 klm ) with average speed of 110km/h - cruise set at 145 so I was fast driving, I used 75l of fuel. Temp was 20 degrees on average.
I should also say, we also
Own D5 xC90 with Polestar, this same run is roughly the same litres at similar speeds.
This kind of hybrid is just for emissions cheating I think. It's a compliance car so it will show less consumption when tested on a dyno.
Under regular use you get just disadvantages with this kind of powertrain, no better performance, minimal savings, increased weight, higher complexity of the car, more expensive services and none of the EV incentives.
Let's the manufacturers keep selling them after bans on pure ICE comes out; reduces vehicle tax today (UK) and let's the fossil fuel companies and countries carry on as usual. They really are an intermediate design.
To me all hybrids are not efficient at all, first the added weight and the engine must push the car plus charge the battery at the same time and all this added tech is to complex and more prone to trouble and expensive, but it a good test to show people, good job Bjorne
120 on snow and ice - CRAZY!!!
bütün testten çıkardığım sonuç şu, fosil araçların motor kısmı dış ortamdan izole edilmeli, kapalı ortamdaki ısı, hem arabanın içini hem yakıtı hem de araca giren havayı uygun sıcaklığa getirmek için kullanılmalı.
Isn't this what you call a serial hybrid? Like the first Fisker back in the day?
Even my first gasoline Renault Espace from 1988 consumed less. 11 l/100 km for 140 km/h, but at 168 km/h average 17 l/100 km.
Since 2014 a Dacia Lodgy Diesel minivan. Would guess at Your driving style 5.5 l/100 km
You should test the Honda Jazz - we've had ours since August last year and we're getting anywhere from 2.5l/100km to 4.2l/100km - average during winter, with winter tyres in Switzerland conditions was around 3.9l/100km. I test drove the new Civic recently, and it was almost comparable. Motorway driving is circa 4.4l/100km for the Jazz. It's probably the best Hybrid system I've driven so far...
Honda Jazz is a small car, so no comparison to a SUV.
@@dkostasx sure, you've got a strong point there, but not all hybrid systems are managed in the same manner. Perhaps a better comparison would be the CR-V...
Jazz is spending a lot of fuel for heating in cold weather. Whenever the temperature drops below +5'C the consumption becomes worse and worse with every couple of degrees. It's a pity they have not put in PTC heater. Mine has so much leftover energy in slow city traffic in winter. Why not to use it for heating instead of fuel burner.
I think similar Mazda car also consumes quite a lot, so this engine as generator solutions are yet to worked on :-)
Can you ask Hyundai to test Santa Fe PHEV with this same test? It has a really good hybrid system, but would be interesting to see if it is less thirsty...
I bet fully ICE version of this car would have much better consumption 😂
Bjorn you normally dont swear only the "shiiiit", but @ 300m when you said"what the fuck" so funny and in context pmsl keep them coming Bjorn :) :)
Very informative 👍
Can you test a normal diesel car just to have data for comparison?
Nevermind, just watched the end ahhah
My model-3 can easily cover 20km on 2kw of battery usage.
In the winter? That is 10 kw/100 km so aroind 600 km range.....
Better than wltp..
At 40 km/h it should be possible, I think...
@@nakfan ...yes, preferably downhill.
@@Old-Bald-and-Grumpy I think his numbers are a exaggerated or not true. I get around 7km from 1 kWh in summer (in perfect conditions even 8 km) and around 5,5km in winter. If it's really cold (finnish winter with -26°C) then around 4 km/kWh.
@@maeguk1 I was sarcastic im first respons. Numbers are unreal, apart from going downhill. I 'd say 14-15 kw/100 km is realistic.
my friend has the nissan kick e-power, it drive just like ev but you don’t need to charge it. She was getting ev at first but at that price there are no really a good choice of ev
will be interesting if you test big battery PHEV, to see if they are efficient or no
My ICE Subaru XV gets about 29mpg in the winter (with heater etc on) vs 43mpg in the summer.
When its below -5c, it will keep the revs up to keep all fluids warm.
I seen one video from Russia, where it was near -30c, the revs would not idle below 2k rpm even after a hour of driving
my petrol car has 60 - 80 miles less range in winter and my old diesel car had this too so its the same across the range electric, petrol or diesel
Good video. I would definitely guess these really bad cold weather results are down to the unusual serial hybrid drive train. I think the traditional diesel style, ideally with manual gearbox would be much less bad in really cold weather.
Whatever model of diesel you drive I guess they'll always be way worse for the planet than a BEV - especially in Norway where your mains electricity is exceptionally low CO2.
It might be interesting to test the very best diesel against a poor ev (like that Toyota) to see what the situation is for CO2, 1,000km time etc. (I think the best diesel might be something like a Ford Focus.. One or two of these actually claim over 1,000 km range, which would be interesting.)
Interesting video! And by the way, how did you like the car otherwise? Comfortable?
Very comfortable but a bit too much boat.
Interesting test, however I think the results were as expected from a series-hybrid . First, the waste heat is not enough for cold weather since the load on the combustion engine is not high enough at steady speeds. Secondly, the excessive consumption when driving in the snow (high rolling resistance) will be much more similar to what an EV would get, again caused by the comb. engine not having to work in its optimal range. Remember that the efficiency of an electric motor is already really good at low loads while an ICE (specially diesels) get more efficient if running at higher loads. Compare this to an efficient petrol or diesel and the results will be different.
Idling to keep the car warm, efficiency is not important because you just want heat anyway. I believe that's why it drops to 1500 rpm.
How will this battery will last with time ? I feel like the car is charging / discharging the battery all the time, so battery cycle will be enormous. There has to be something I am missing or don't understand. If it has a 1.8kWh (usable) lithium battery which is used fully in 3km. Li-Ion battery have up to 4'000 discharge cycle so it would mean after 4000*3 = 12'000km the battery is already at 60% of it's peak max value. Surely I am missing something there ? Maybe electricity could go directly from Generator to Drive Train ?
4'000 discharge cycle means 100%-0%-100%. E-power system doesn't use the battery this way, even if you will press ev mode button all the time. I saw note e-power with 100k km and serena e-power with 150k km, they don't have any problems with the battery. E-power drive train gets juice only from the battery
Most likely a special chemistry to withstand many cycles. Mitsubishi uses something like 4.000 cycles battery tech... Toyota...well, they use NiMh from a few decades ago 🤣😂
It's be a lot easier/cheaper to swap out a battery-but you have to consider whether something like. 25% degradation in battery capacity is going to make much of a difference in vehicle value
You have to take into account that the e-Power system can also bypass the battery and power the electric motor directly from the generator to inverter.
@@Artem-xt6cdit doesn't work like that.
Even if you use just for instance 100-95% cycles, it will just take 20.000 of those short cycles. It still the same 4.000 full cycles
my previous car(petrol) would consume as much as 8.5l/100km in during short trips in winter. pretty much means i would only need a 60kWh battery to have to charge it just as often as i had to fuel my car.
I allways wonder if bilkomponenter didn't pay enough to be mentioned 😅
Yes, still many fossile fuel lovers out there. The same people, if they were used to EVs, and you wanted to tell them how cool ICE cars are, would be super angry: "Whaaat? You want to take away my driving dynamics? And you want to poison the air that my children breathe in?"
I hope that you also calculate the Wh/km consuption on fossile cars.
The rise in consumption in fossile cars should also be calculated in rise of Wh/km rather than percent.
3:50 Are you talking about Diesels with a hybrid battery for 0.6L/hr? Because keep in mind there is a load on the engine, charging said battery pack, as the ICE isn't connected to the wheels.
Very nice! May I ask which OBD dingle were you using exactly? Thank you in advance.
Link is in description. Nissan Note e-Power connection profile will show more hybrid drivetrain parameters.
@@EV_OBD Ok now I see. unfortunately it's android only. I may try the less expensive one compatible with iOS.
What would be the total cost to drive 1000km in this ICE vs. a comparable EV in Norway? Is it competitive on price?
I heard that is price in Norway not anymore cheap
I basically did just this kind of run here in BC with 2 different cars. The distance was 900km. On my way down it cost me $26 in charging with 7 charging stops, 2 of which were free. If I was to have paid for those sessions it would have brought the total cost to $40. I then sold my Bolt to someone else and bought a Long range Dual Motor Model 3. On my return it cost $26 at the superchargers and 2 stops. A comparable run in an Ice car would be around $150 while a pick up would cost around $300. Unfortunately for me I am headed back down in a pickup (with a trailer) that only burns diesel. I am doing this for a buddy who lost his mom over the winter to a simple slip and fall accident, so it’s a good reason to burn the expensive heat production liquid!
Reading old comments people are totally off not understanding why and to who full hybrid petrol cars are for. They are intended for heavy city driving or short distances thats where they are fuel economic. Granted Nissan advertised average consumption doesnt add up. They consume more than CRV but on paper CRV says 6.7l/100km compared to 6.4 to Nissan. The problem i had with picking Nissan or CRV is that Nissan has 3 cylinder Turbo engine. I dont like that. It makes more noise and pushed engine wear faster as it has to do a lot more work than CRV 4 cylinder and no turbo.
On highway 120-130km/h its mostly same as regular petrol engine cars unless you drive carefully and use breaking or generative power better. And in winter under 0c ANY petrol will consume more fuel +2 l/100 is totally average to all them.
For those of us who's been driving a few years now this was no bombshell. At least if paying attention and not driven by ideology. Then compare with fossils only driving 4-5 km to work not getting up it's temperature. Then the consumption will rocket up.
The vehicle would be more efficient as a pure ICE system without all the losses to turn fossil fuel into electricity. This vehicle is a totally unnecessary waste if time.
The missing link between ICE and the drivetrain make it more quiet than a pure ICE. Also no gearbox needed. But a Honda or Toyota Hybrid should be more efficient due to the direct drive of the ICE.
ICE has to deliver as much power as electric motor uses. And wasre a lot due its low efficiency. Lack of gearbox means lower losses on transmission, but then conversion to electricity taked its toll.
It would make more sense with bigger battery rechargeable st home wall box and ice only as emergency charger, but...
It would cost two hands and two legs
@@Old-Bald-and-Grumpy Not necessarily. The mitsubishi PHEV works like this vehicle(except it has a single ratio direct drive for cruising) but it has a decent sized battery without being too expensive.
@@martin5697 it depends on where you drive. These hybrid systems are very efficient in the city or on cross-country trips, but consume significantly more on the motorway.
@@martin5697 You could have a fixed ratio gearbox (single gear) to run direct drive at highway speeds, and use pure electric at lower speeds, like the Chevy volt, you'd get both a quiet and efficient car.
The chevy unfortunately does not have a particularily efficient engine, but it was a good idea
Please do the XC90 diesel!
If you really want to test the most fuel efficient fossil car, please test a Toyota Prius Plugin. I know you are not a fan of this model, but maybe the test results and the workings of the planetary gear box will convince you.
"Doing 120 in fairly good driving conditions" 😅😂
-4°. Snow everywhere .🤣
Brave man. 👍