As of the release of this video, the first three HH52s are already in production (2 forward helm SC boats and 1 aft helm SC boat), but it will be another year until the first hull launches. We put over 50,000 labor hours into each of our HH52s, so it is worth the wait (but still so hard to do so)!
Congratulations you guys and this is going to be an absolutely beautiful cat. My home has about the same amount of kilowatts as your vessel. It’s more than enough to power my house and our cars.
We love that aspect of the 44, but since we are keeping the hull of the HH50 that was unfortunately not an option. But wait till you see our design for the chair!
I like the design of this and was looking for the 44 in 50+ so this may be it for me. What are the timelines? I'm interested in talking about an order.
Thank you for considering working with HH. At the moment the next available hull would complete in June of 2025, but our order book is continuing to fill up fast! Please shoot us an email at Sales@hhcatamarans.com and ask for Seth to get back to you!
I didn’t even recognize Seth until I heard his voice, and I knew that sounds awful familiar. And I looked closer. Good to see you found a job after that huge hole on your résumé, of course in this case that leave of absence is good experience. 😉
Really stunning boat, love it, especially the forward cockpit! The sleek lines when removing the "eyebrow" makes a huge difference to the look, but those also had a purpose to keep the saloon cool. The older Privilege boats had these same gorgeous lines but turned the saloon into ovens and had to have shade overs covers over the windows on them at all times reducing visibility. Heavy tinting or coatings could help, but then that also reduces forward visibility especially at dusk, considering the rear helm position require you to be able to see through isn't this a problem? How are you overcoming this thermal issue on this new 52 design?
The beauty of this new update is that the forward windows flip open, so when the sun is out and things start to heat up you can swing open those front tinted windows and both shade the dash and allow cool air to flow in. If you prefer to keep them closed you can lower the salon shades and run the 56,000 BTUs of air conditioning off the 43.2kWh batteries alone! We're pretty happy with the overall design and functionality of this new boat.
@@HHCatamarans It is absolutely beautiful design, and HH definitely should be happy with it, great job! I do think those windows opening up will make this very comfortable at anchor. All boats a series of compromises for sure and if the worst-case scenario is having to run the A/C that is powered from 100% from solar I suppose that's a first world problem I could deal with👍
@@HHCatamarans Absolutely, these aren't your grandfather's sailboat anymore! So quick question, are there any hand holds on the coach roof to hold onto as you move forward in a heavy seaway?
Yes, we have a rain capture (gutter) that runs the entire perimeter around the coach roof that is also the hand hold. Once you get to the forward windows you have the cap shroud and daggerboards to also hold onto.
If I was going to buy a sailboat and I would would be more than likely to buy one from you, any that I would buy I would extend the coach roof back to the davit for the tender. make the davit a part of the structure and support it at the back with stout poles that look good and are functional. That would give you extra area for solar and hoist the tender up higher and provide extra measurement for long ocean crossings. I would offer that as an extra on all models. In one video I saw a system for the shaft between the engine and the props where there was a device that could power the props in lieu of the engine for a short time. I would want diesel engines in both hulls so if one stops running you still have one that does. Is there a way to allow rudders that hit something to be able to deflect out of that way to minimize potential damage to them and to protect the prop in a way like the high end motor vessels use skegs to protect their props and the hull configuration protects their props from damage in case of beaching or other problem? Two of my favourite sailors have bought one of your 44s and that is how I found out about your boats and I followed Seth until he got a real job.🤣
We did extend the coach roof to go well past the aft beam on this boat, but we opted to keep the dingy low and out of the way so as not to obstruct the view. With the considerably high bridge deck clearance of this yacht, we do not need to raise the davits any higher than the top of the aft beam sofa, so the tender location is quite frankly perfect. If you wanted even more solar (not that you need more than 4,632 watts) then you could still put solar over the davits. One last thing, on both the HH44 and the HH52 we use line drivers to hoist the dingy (no more grinding a winch)!
Straight and curved daggerboards, that's fantastic. Would love to know more about the pros/cons to the two. I'm assuming straight daggers are cheaper to build and possibly more reliable with the closet design and such? Would Z boards be a realistic option?
We are not offering Z boards (yet :), but yes, the straight boards are cheaper. Those will be much like all the other yachts on the market and will be produced out of fiberglass with a foam core (although ours will use the highest grade resin: Epoxy) and the load limits on the straight boards will not be as high as the curved boards. The curved boards are a bit more complex as they are baked in an oven to utilize Pre-Preg Carbon construction and the boards do induce some displacement lift when sailing at around 10 knots. The curved boards also use bearings and other lifting mechanisms not used with a straight board. Hope that helps!
@@HHCatamarans Very insightful and thanks for the detailed response. This makes a lot of sense as to why straight daggers work well for OC designs. Now I'm curious how many degrees you can pinch closer to windward with curved vs straight boards. All the comparisons I've read about have been mini keels vs daggerboards in general. Love everything HH is working on
Funny how James looks a lot like Jason Wynn from Gome with the Wynn's. Sute that played no part in them getting an HH, but I bet it didn't hurt either. Lol. (Just throwing out conspiracy theories for fun)
We have tested the solar panels and even at extremely high temperatures the panels are outputting their stated power generation. Yes, cooling them would be more efficient, but not as cosmetically good looking or walkable. This is a good compromise.
No, the HH52-OC starts at $1.57m and is roughly the same cost as an Outremer 51 once optioned. The HH52-SC starts at $1.9m but does come with more options standard. Please contact us for more info!: www.hhcatamarans.com/contact
Hull 01 is out of the molds and the inner hull has been joined with the topsides hull with bulkheads installed. This means we are still a little over a year from completion. Since this is Hull 01 we also expect it to take a little bit longer than an HH50 build as we will want to ensure it's done right the first time. We can't wait to see this boat on the water - hopefully debuting at the October Annapolis Boat Show in 2024. Hull 01 is a SCF (Forward Cockpit) model.
Ha. We have looked at installing wireless chargers on our boats but with the rate that technology is changing we worry about drilling holes in our furniture to make room for things that might soon be obsolete. For now we are happy with USB-C ports so you can plug in your wireless charger of choice.
Do not copy Outremer …because they are going backwards with their quality standards…interior looks cheap and feels cheap on the new 52 Outremer ….you need to compete with Gunboat …and there you have a chance .. they stoped building boats under 68 -70 foot…. So the market is yours🤙🤙💯⛵️⛵️
It would be sensational if you would become aware of how other boat channels that many people watch from South America, Spain and many countries that speak Spanish and different languages, if you were smarter you could enable subtitles in other languages, only English-speaking buy boats ?
It takes TH-cam a couple hours to work out the subtitles on all videos. Since we just released this video today, please check back in a bit and they will be there. Thanks for watching!
Very, very impressive. The forward helm SC version is a solo sailor's dream. How is the HH after-sales support? Outremer and Dazcat have some very appealing after-sales support offerings, haven't seen HH talk about that aspect (but that's likely me not getting beyond daydreaming about one!).
Our Warranty covers the Hull and Structures for 5 years (which is very long compared to most within the industry), two years for the paint, mast and standing rigging, and essentially one year on everything else. All equipment installed starts its manufacturer warranty on the day you receive your yacht. As for dealing with a Warranty repair, we ask that you work directly with us so that we can be involved in the repair of the vessel (regardless of the component that failed). You can do this by calling us directly (you’ll have our phone numbers) or emailing a dedicated email address we provide to our owners. We typically respond within hours. We also have a network of Agents and Service Centers we work with around the world to provide our customers with the very best after sales service, regardless if you are first owner or second hand owner.
James, have you considered adding wind generation to your HH44, 52 or larger because....while at anchor or underway you have wind. Even at night. Just saying. Thought you might want to consider. Love your creations.
The HH 50 SC is already a sleek, beautiful and fast catamaran, however she has two problems : 1- Absence of forward cockpit with door, seat and cushions 2 - it is not possible to have convertible sofa in the salon where to relax or sleep for 2 people during long passage. Hope you fix this issue because this what prevent me from buying a HH Catamaran.
Yes, that is why we developed the HH52! I hope you enjoyed the new design covered in this video (it includes a forward cockpit with two doors and a convertible sofa in the salon). Thanks for watching!
Hi Fredrik, the engines can be used to propel the boat and to charge the batteries. You can learn more about our innovative Parallel Hybrid Electric/Diesel solution here: www.hhcatamarans.com/ecodrive
@@HHCatamarans Well I'm no engineer, so I'll appreciate that answer. Other boats may have different performance goals and/or different designs (materials, width, etc.?). 9:17 The straight OC boards aren't quite as massive as the SC boards, so I suppose they would be slightly lower performing (but more manageable) to fit the OC model better.
Seth, listen to most sailers out there....why slanted forward and side windows? Either straight up windows or negative rake windows to reduce glare and directs sun. The lower window border depicts the border of your salon, might as well maximize your interior space by having straight up windows or negative rake windows increasing the roof area for increased solar area or bigger rain water collection surface area.
Because straight windows are not aerodynamic, they look ugly and they allow us to extend the "dashboard" area of the boat forward of the coachroof, giving a larger sense of space in the Salon and more workable areas for electronics. I'd say the only real negative is the greenhouse effect of a slanted window, but with the forward opening windows this should not be a problem when it is sunny (plus the boat can come with shades and 56k BTU of AirCon). There is always a trade off, but this one we were happy to make.
@@HHCatamarans at the speed cats do, aerodynamics above water wont affect much as the wind will most likely be from the side or some degree from the rear. Hull design will affect speed and of course sails. I love the straight up or negative rake windows, like the Portofino. Ifyou doing speeds ove 100mph, yes but not at 20 knots.
Ist looks great! In my eyes the helmstations so far back (movement) with all the lines cluttering this lovely places where we use to lay down during cruising are not for me, I would go with the forward helm. But the tiller seats seem to stand out quite far, I would be worried about damaging them during docking.
Just a question regarding the angle of the front glass. You are not going to "cook" yourself inside during a hot summer day. Is not worth checking the Portofino Catamarans approach to this, like that you don't get more top area for solar and more shade for the inside? Still a nice design and nice to hear that dager board are on OC lineup also now, can not wait to see a full review to the finish product. And much love to you Seth and to your family, miss your YTB channel.
There is a reason this boat does not look like a Portofino. :) But you will not cook as the windows open from floor to ceiling, and they have blinds and 56,000 BTUs of Air Conditioning that run off the batteries alone. This is one cool cat. ~Seth
Just throwing floorplans out here. I've turned into a minor youtube catamaran design addict this year; I think I've seen every manufactured cat online. And - lessons learned? I don't think you nailed this 52 design and here's why ... 1. I like the front helm of the performance catamaran Windelo 52 with 2) its Bali-styled (fully enclosable as an option) salon as well. 3) Add a simple front sitting well area, immediately behind the tramps of 4) taller-chined hull (minimizing salt spray and cleaning/maintenance is important - similar to Catana's Bali hulls) and 5) smaller trampolines - the weight diff is small while the cruise livability is great. A Bali 5.4 placed 5th in the 2019 ORC, so its tall hulls are no performance slouch. The front nav station offers great social, stable sailing, visibility, and great living spaces. 6) A nice-to-have second sailing helm on a simple flybridge is a great second spot to squirrel away to - for charter boats, or when the weather cooperates and you want to be up high. 7) If you want more room for solar, look to new higher efficiency solar panel tech (one type captures solar energy at night), or regen props on electric drives, or new stationary non-spinning wind turbines, or to Sunreef-like inlaid solar cells (on the hull sides, mast, etc.) That's the perfect sailing cat - as I can see. 8) I see many legacy designers clinging to sailing chair designs that hang out over the rear left and right - almost at the sugar scoops. That might be a fun tiller-sail for a half hour - as a novelty, but once the suntan lotion max's out, it's more of a torture chamber I should think. 9)For powered/electric cats (off topic I realize), I think Silent Yachts 120 has nailed a winning design by emulating (copying really) the world's fastest car-ferry catamaran design. Other than its GRP hull (aluminum would be better), I'd say it's a proven-efficient hull that would stand up to any sea state. If that design could harness the wind, it might be a big hit in the performance or explorer cat marketplace. 10) Last but not least. Those ceiling brows are there to keep the sun and heat out of the salon; I'd go to negative windows up front before removing the sun protection. That browless front window - isn't a modern look; your naval architect almost swallowed his tongue when you suggested it. Politely: Hone listening skills - be careful of strong personality and unintentional authority overrides that might bite you in the butt. I'd love to see this HH line do well with you at the helm AND hey, what do I know? It's a bit of a guessing game in the end. The market leaders are there based on their low price (Lagoon) and livability (Bali). I think Silent has sold 100+ boats as well. No one cares if it's the fastest, and doesn't sell; I'd be market testing the heck out of what you put forward here - and see how many me's there are.
Hi Ed, thanks for the reply. Every single inch of the yacht is considered carefully and the ramifications of all design decisions are weighed. I hope our future videos help explain why we made the decisions we did, but briefly: 1) By adding two doors instead of the Windelo plastic windows, you can leave the windward door half open and prevent any sea spray from entering the salon (all spray will hit the leeward door). 2) You CANNOT have a bali styled front bow section and not widen the hulls underneath. Wider hulls are like plows in the water and while a Bali might sail downwind, that is the only way it can sail. It is a motor sailor up wind and any true performance catamaran will not be. It also cannot sail in light air. A long trampoline is the best indicator for performance and can also become a shaded living space with bean bag chairs versus a poorly designed foot well and sofa. 3) With forward opening windows you don't care about needing an eyebrow - and with 58,000 BTUs of AirCon you don't worry about running the AC (without a generator). Stay tuned. We will continue to explain why this yacht is probably the single best cruising yacht ever imagined.
You actually can. This is the beauty of the aft swing helms or the option for the forward cockpit (in which case we recommend adding the sunroof option). Thanks for watching.
Nice to see Seth at work..
It's a tough job but someone's got to do it. :)
Hey Seth! Hope the family is well, still miss seeing the sailing family! Good looking cat, smart design.
Hey Tex! We're missing sailing but having fun, as you can see!
Looks fantastic. Looks like sitting down you have a clear view of the water around you.
Yes, we ensure that when seated you can see out all windows. That is an important design requirement!
Great video. Love the 52
Thanks for watching!
Looks amazing. Clearly this cat represents the future. What a great job you guys have done. When can we see one for real?
As of the release of this video, the first three HH52s are already in production (2 forward helm SC boats and 1 aft helm SC boat), but it will be another year until the first hull launches. We put over 50,000 labor hours into each of our HH52s, so it is worth the wait (but still so hard to do so)!
Ahh nooooo go back and start sailing again🤪
Congratulations you guys and this is going to be an absolutely beautiful cat. My home has about the same amount of kilowatts as your vessel. It’s more than enough to power my house and our cars.
Great job. Congrats. Keep it up. My dream boat as well. Going to put it up on my visualization board. 👏👏👏
Fantastic! Just needs the drop down sugar scoops.
We love that aspect of the 44, but since we are keeping the hull of the HH50 that was unfortunately not an option. But wait till you see our design for the chair!
The 2 videos for the HH52 are a year old, when do we get video updates?
Man that's one sexy looking sailboat
I like the design of this and was looking for the 44 in 50+ so this may be it for me. What are the timelines? I'm interested in talking about an order.
Thank you for considering working with HH. At the moment the next available hull would complete in June of 2025, but our order book is continuing to fill up fast! Please shoot us an email at Sales@hhcatamarans.com and ask for Seth to get back to you!
It was so nice to talk to Seth in La Grande Motte even if we don‘t have the budget for one of your gorgeous boots! Greetings from Luxembourg 🇱🇺
Nice line's
I didn’t even recognize Seth until I heard his voice, and I knew that sounds awful familiar. And I looked closer. Good to see you found a job after that huge hole on your résumé, of course in this case that leave of absence is good experience. 😉
Really stunning boat, love it, especially the forward cockpit! The sleek lines when removing the "eyebrow" makes a huge difference to the look, but those also had a purpose to keep the saloon cool. The older Privilege boats had these same gorgeous lines but turned the saloon into ovens and had to have shade overs covers over the windows on them at all times reducing visibility. Heavy tinting or coatings could help, but then that also reduces forward visibility especially at dusk, considering the rear helm position require you to be able to see through isn't this a problem? How are you overcoming this thermal issue on this new 52 design?
The beauty of this new update is that the forward windows flip open, so when the sun is out and things start to heat up you can swing open those front tinted windows and both shade the dash and allow cool air to flow in. If you prefer to keep them closed you can lower the salon shades and run the 56,000 BTUs of air conditioning off the 43.2kWh batteries alone! We're pretty happy with the overall design and functionality of this new boat.
@@HHCatamarans It is absolutely beautiful design, and HH definitely should be happy with it, great job! I do think those windows opening up will make this very comfortable at anchor. All boats a series of compromises for sure and if the worst-case scenario is having to run the A/C that is powered from 100% from solar I suppose that's a first world problem I could deal with👍
Battery technology is really changing cruising. Less camping, more luxury. The future looks bright!
@@HHCatamarans Absolutely, these aren't your grandfather's sailboat anymore! So quick question, are there any hand holds on the coach roof to hold onto as you move forward in a heavy seaway?
Yes, we have a rain capture (gutter) that runs the entire perimeter around the coach roof that is also the hand hold. Once you get to the forward windows you have the cap shroud and daggerboards to also hold onto.
Could be hull #3 hybrid HH44OC (the Wynn configuration) may prove to be magic and impossible to beat.
If I was going to buy a sailboat and I would would be more than likely to buy one from you, any that I would buy I would extend the coach roof back to the davit for the tender. make the davit a part of the structure and support it at the back with stout poles that look good and are functional. That would give you extra area for solar and hoist the tender up higher and provide extra measurement for long ocean crossings. I would offer that as an extra on all models. In one video I saw a system for the shaft between the engine and the props where there was a device that could power the props in lieu of the engine for a short time. I would want diesel engines in both hulls so if one stops running you still have one that does. Is there a way to allow rudders that hit something to be able to deflect out of that way to minimize potential damage to them and to protect the prop in a way like the high end motor vessels use skegs to protect their props and the hull configuration protects their props from damage in case of beaching or other problem? Two of my favourite sailors have bought one of your 44s and that is how I found out about your boats and I followed Seth until he got a real job.🤣
We did extend the coach roof to go well past the aft beam on this boat, but we opted to keep the dingy low and out of the way so as not to obstruct the view. With the considerably high bridge deck clearance of this yacht, we do not need to raise the davits any higher than the top of the aft beam sofa, so the tender location is quite frankly perfect. If you wanted even more solar (not that you need more than 4,632 watts) then you could still put solar over the davits. One last thing, on both the HH44 and the HH52 we use line drivers to hoist the dingy (no more grinding a winch)!
@@HHCatamarans Thanks for the reply and now thinking about it you just cannot block the view lol . Anything to make the winching up the tender easier!
Straight and curved daggerboards, that's fantastic. Would love to know more about the pros/cons to the two. I'm assuming straight daggers are cheaper to build and possibly more reliable with the closet design and such? Would Z boards be a realistic option?
We are not offering Z boards (yet :), but yes, the straight boards are cheaper. Those will be much like all the other yachts on the market and will be produced out of fiberglass with a foam core (although ours will use the highest grade resin: Epoxy) and the load limits on the straight boards will not be as high as the curved boards. The curved boards are a bit more complex as they are baked in an oven to utilize Pre-Preg Carbon construction and the boards do induce some displacement lift when sailing at around 10 knots. The curved boards also use bearings and other lifting mechanisms not used with a straight board. Hope that helps!
@@HHCatamarans Very insightful and thanks for the detailed response. This makes a lot of sense as to why straight daggers work well for OC designs. Now I'm curious how many degrees you can pinch closer to windward with curved vs straight boards. All the comparisons I've read about have been mini keels vs daggerboards in general. Love everything HH is working on
That would be amazing. We look forward to the day!
Looks nice, I didn't see an anchor nor a way to screen the aft area.
The anchor tucks into our custom designed longeron. It's hidden away nicely by our in house design.
Funny how James looks a lot like Jason Wynn from Gome with the Wynn's. Sute that played no part in them getting an HH, but I bet it didn't hurt either. Lol. (Just throwing out conspiracy theories for fun)
👍😎
The Foredeck Cockpit is an exciting solution. It opens up the layout for a better utilization of space in the rear deck.
Our next video is all about the pros and cons of the forward cockpit. Stay tuned!
I love also the ideea of forward cockpit, can t wait to see the pros and cons
James Has something of the looks of Jason Wynn
No concerns with a black roof heating the solar panels and reducing their efficiency?
We have tested the solar panels and even at extremely high temperatures the panels are outputting their stated power generation. Yes, cooling them would be more efficient, but not as cosmetically good looking or walkable. This is a good compromise.
My dream boat also, Is the hh52 oc going to be the same price than the hh50 oc?
No, the HH52-OC starts at $1.57m and is roughly the same cost as an Outremer 51 once optioned. The HH52-SC starts at $1.9m but does come with more options standard. Please contact us for more info!:
www.hhcatamarans.com/contact
Awesome boat how much does one cost? Answer: if you have to ask…. You can’t afford it …😊
When will 5201 hit the water?
Hull 01 is out of the molds and the inner hull has been joined with the topsides hull with bulkheads installed. This means we are still a little over a year from completion. Since this is Hull 01 we also expect it to take a little bit longer than an HH50 build as we will want to ensure it's done right the first time. We can't wait to see this boat on the water - hopefully debuting at the October Annapolis Boat Show in 2024. Hull 01 is a SCF (Forward Cockpit) model.
Is it Iphone compatable?
Ha. We have looked at installing wireless chargers on our boats but with the rate that technology is changing we worry about drilling holes in our furniture to make room for things that might soon be obsolete. For now we are happy with USB-C ports so you can plug in your wireless charger of choice.
Do not copy Outremer …because they are going backwards with their quality standards…interior looks cheap and feels cheap on the new 52 Outremer ….you need to compete with Gunboat …and there you have a chance .. they stoped building boats under 68 -70 foot….
So the market is yours🤙🤙💯⛵️⛵️
It would be sensational if you would become aware of how other boat channels that many people watch from South America, Spain and many countries that speak Spanish and different languages, if you were smarter you could enable subtitles in other languages, only English-speaking buy boats ?
It takes TH-cam a couple hours to work out the subtitles on all videos. Since we just released this video today, please check back in a bit and they will be there. Thanks for watching!
What does it rate 😂
10 out of 10!
You guys are nailing it! Nothing but dreamboats 🤍
Very, very impressive. The forward helm SC version is a solo sailor's dream.
How is the HH after-sales support? Outremer and Dazcat have some very appealing after-sales support offerings, haven't seen HH talk about that aspect (but that's likely me not getting beyond daydreaming about one!).
Our Warranty covers the Hull and Structures for 5 years (which is very long compared to most within the industry), two years for the paint, mast and standing rigging, and essentially one year on everything else. All equipment installed starts its manufacturer warranty on the day you receive your yacht.
As for dealing with a Warranty repair, we ask that you work directly with us so that we can be involved in the repair of the vessel (regardless of the component that failed). You can do this by calling us directly (you’ll have our phone numbers) or emailing a dedicated email address we provide to our owners. We typically respond within hours.
We also have a network of Agents and Service Centers we work with around the world to provide our customers with the very best after sales service, regardless if you are first owner or second hand owner.
Great summary on the beautiful and capable HH52! Nice Job Seth and James!
Seth mate finish the sailing family please
Eventually! I promise!
Can't wait to see one of these boats out in the water. What a stunner.
What happened no news about the HH 52 ?!?
Great looking design.
Wow looks a beauty
James, have you considered adding wind generation to your HH44, 52 or larger because....while at anchor or underway you have wind. Even at night. Just saying. Thought you might want to consider. Love your creations.
We have added the hydrogeneration, so no wing gear required at night!
The HH 50 SC is already a sleek, beautiful and fast catamaran, however she has two problems : 1- Absence of forward cockpit with door, seat and cushions 2 - it is not possible to have convertible sofa in the salon where to relax or sleep for 2 people during long passage.
Hope you fix this issue because this what prevent me from buying a HH Catamaran.
Yes, that is why we developed the HH52! I hope you enjoyed the new design covered in this video (it includes a forward cockpit with two doors and a convertible sofa in the salon). Thanks for watching!
Is there a generator? Imagine a stormy situation with low power in the batteries and no sun...
Hi Fredrik, the engines can be used to propel the boat and to charge the batteries. You can learn more about our innovative Parallel Hybrid Electric/Diesel solution here: www.hhcatamarans.com/ecodrive
You need to have the throttle controls on the outside of the helm so that a person controling lines while docking has throttle control right there.
That is where they are. Just to the right of each helm.
The Cat amongst the pigeons, now the competition will have to step up their act.
Best comment award!
It would be nice if the OC with dagger boards when raised are only the height of the life lines, similar to another brand with a new 52 footer.
Then they would not be proper daggerboards and would not work as well.
@@HHCatamarans Well I'm no engineer, so I'll appreciate that answer. Other boats may have different performance goals and/or different designs (materials, width, etc.?). 9:17 The straight OC boards aren't quite as massive as the SC boards, so I suppose they would be slightly lower performing (but more manageable) to fit the OC model better.
Seth, listen to most sailers out there....why slanted forward and side windows? Either straight up windows or negative rake windows to reduce glare and directs sun. The lower window border depicts the border of your salon, might as well maximize your interior space by having straight up windows or negative rake windows increasing the roof area for increased solar area or bigger rain water collection surface area.
Because straight windows are not aerodynamic, they look ugly and they allow us to extend the "dashboard" area of the boat forward of the coachroof, giving a larger sense of space in the Salon and more workable areas for electronics. I'd say the only real negative is the greenhouse effect of a slanted window, but with the forward opening windows this should not be a problem when it is sunny (plus the boat can come with shades and 56k BTU of AirCon). There is always a trade off, but this one we were happy to make.
@@HHCatamarans at the speed cats do, aerodynamics above water wont affect much as the wind will most likely be from the side or some degree from the rear. Hull design will affect speed and of course sails. I love the straight up or negative rake windows, like the Portofino. Ifyou doing speeds ove 100mph, yes but not at 20 knots.
Ist looks great! In my eyes the helmstations so far back (movement) with all the lines cluttering this lovely places where we use to lay down during cruising are not for me, I would go with the forward helm. But the tiller seats seem to stand out quite far, I would be worried about damaging them during docking.
The seats fold up when not in use! Stay tuned for more details in our second video!
Just a question regarding the angle of the front glass. You are not going to "cook" yourself inside during a hot summer day. Is not worth checking the Portofino Catamarans approach to this, like that you don't get more top area for solar and more shade for the inside? Still a nice design and nice to hear that dager board are on OC lineup also now, can not wait to see a full review to the finish product. And much love to you Seth and to your family, miss your YTB channel.
There is a reason this boat does not look like a Portofino. :) But you will not cook as the windows open from floor to ceiling, and they have blinds and 56,000 BTUs of Air Conditioning that run off the batteries alone. This is one cool cat. ~Seth
Just throwing floorplans out here. I've turned into a minor youtube catamaran design addict this year; I think I've seen every manufactured cat online. And - lessons learned?
I don't think you nailed this 52 design and here's why ... 1. I like the front helm of the performance catamaran Windelo 52 with 2) its Bali-styled (fully enclosable as an option) salon as well.
3) Add a simple front sitting well area, immediately behind the tramps of 4) taller-chined hull (minimizing salt spray and cleaning/maintenance is important - similar to Catana's Bali hulls) and 5) smaller trampolines - the weight diff is small while the cruise livability is great. A Bali 5.4 placed 5th in the 2019 ORC, so its tall hulls are no performance slouch.
The front nav station offers great social, stable sailing, visibility, and great living spaces.
6) A nice-to-have second sailing helm on a simple flybridge is a great second spot to squirrel away to - for charter boats, or when the weather cooperates and you want to be up high.
7) If you want more room for solar, look to new higher efficiency solar panel tech (one type captures solar energy at night), or regen props on electric drives, or new stationary non-spinning wind turbines, or to Sunreef-like inlaid solar cells (on the hull sides, mast, etc.)
That's the perfect sailing cat - as I can see.
8) I see many legacy designers clinging to sailing chair designs that hang out over the rear left and right - almost at the sugar scoops. That might be a fun tiller-sail for a half hour - as a novelty, but once the suntan lotion max's out, it's more of a torture chamber I should think.
9)For powered/electric cats (off topic I realize), I think Silent Yachts 120 has nailed a winning design by emulating (copying really) the world's fastest car-ferry catamaran design. Other than its GRP hull (aluminum would be better), I'd say it's a proven-efficient hull that would stand up to any sea state. If that design could harness the wind, it might be a big hit in the performance or explorer cat marketplace.
10) Last but not least. Those ceiling brows are there to keep the sun and heat out of the salon; I'd go to negative windows up front before removing the sun protection. That browless front window - isn't a modern look; your naval architect almost swallowed his tongue when you suggested it. Politely: Hone listening skills - be careful of strong personality and unintentional authority overrides that might bite you in the butt.
I'd love to see this HH line do well with you at the helm AND hey, what do I know? It's a bit of a guessing game in the end. The market leaders are there based on their low price (Lagoon) and livability (Bali). I think Silent has sold 100+ boats as well. No one cares if it's the fastest, and doesn't sell; I'd be market testing the heck out of what you put forward here - and see how many me's there are.
Hi Ed, thanks for the reply. Every single inch of the yacht is considered carefully and the ramifications of all design decisions are weighed. I hope our future videos help explain why we made the decisions we did, but briefly:
1) By adding two doors instead of the Windelo plastic windows, you can leave the windward door half open and prevent any sea spray from entering the salon (all spray will hit the leeward door).
2) You CANNOT have a bali styled front bow section and not widen the hulls underneath. Wider hulls are like plows in the water and while a Bali might sail downwind, that is the only way it can sail. It is a motor sailor up wind and any true performance catamaran will not be. It also cannot sail in light air. A long trampoline is the best indicator for performance and can also become a shaded living space with bean bag chairs versus a poorly designed foot well and sofa.
3) With forward opening windows you don't care about needing an eyebrow - and with 58,000 BTUs of AirCon you don't worry about running the AC (without a generator).
Stay tuned. We will continue to explain why this yacht is probably the single best cruising yacht ever imagined.
YOU CANNOT SEE THE SAILS
You actually can. This is the beauty of the aft swing helms or the option for the forward cockpit (in which case we recommend adding the sunroof option). Thanks for watching.