Classical Composer Reacts to Through The Fire And Flames (DragonForce) | The Daily Doug (Ep. 130)
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In this episode of #TheDailyDoug, I'm reacting to the speed metal band DragonForce playing their most known song Through The Fire And Flames. I was impressed with their technical ability...but I wasn't a huge fan of the song. Do you agree or disagree?
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I appreciate the fact that you'll say if you don't like something, It's really hard to trust any of the reactors that seem to love every single thing they hear.
YES! I really liked that too.
Agreed!
Doug keep being true and genuine❤️
COmpletly agree with you, it's nice to have someone that say what he really think, that the purpose of reaction i guess :)
I agree.
It's fine that you didn't like a song, that makes the reactions real
Well i think its a overrated song
Everybody's different
To me it proves that Doug is not a poser, and indeed has a good musical sense.
This is not music, this is wanking (and the guitars sound like an old Commodore 64 game).
Doug is absolutely right.
@@srenteddylarsen892 don't be an elitist ass, some people enjoy this, let them.
Just because you don't like something doesn't make it objectively bad
@@srenteddylarsen892 You know the guitars are deliberately imitating 8-bit computer games, right?
Almost forgot, "Rainbow - Stargazer", I think that song is way more your cup of tea. 😁
Oh hell yeah!
Yeah! Do that, please! I know people have asked that before. (I know I did.)
Or Gates of Babylon. They both feature orchestral accompaniment in their studio versions. In Gates of Babylon, one of the violinists got carried away and made an improvised solo in the end. The band decided to include that.
I'll certainly support that... Stargazer is one hell of a song !
Oh gosh! That must be one of the best reactions haha
Yes that would be fire!
"I don't think that's in the owner's manual" - that killed me :D
Herman Li, the guitar player, has an amazing TH-cam channel. Seems like a real good dude.
yeah Herman and Sam making a "this band" song is in 10 min videos are awesome as well :)
Agreed, Herman has a heart of gold. Amazing player and amazing human being.
Don't forget Sam. Just as fast and skillful
Herman Li hates this song too
This is the short version. In the full version there's a lot more of the awesome guitar soloing and a vocal bridge between the last major solo and the 3rd chorus. But it's cool if you didn't like it; DragonForce is very simple compositionally and just banks on the insane speed and skill. Don't let this band make you give up on power metal, though. There's a lot of cool stuff out there.
which band would you suggest for some power metal, less simple compositionnally ?
Avantasia, Rhapsody of Fire, Blind Guardian, Kamelot, Unleash the Archers, Helloween.
@@michaelclements5793 thanks, I'll check that.
@@isaz2425 thy majestie, heavenly, sonata arctica and stratovarious although after I started to get into Symphony X i just kind of lost interest into most of other power metal, although Blind guardian will always have a special place in my heart. 😁
@@isaz2425 Gloryhammer, Beast in black and many others
“It’s like a fast polka” 😂😂
Nailed it
Which is funny cause I thought the lead vocals was Weird Al when at first.
th-cam.com/video/cQ4GV8W2oGc/w-d-xo.html
He said the same thing about ingo on keeper of the seven keys by Helloween
power metal in a nutshell
"the singer has a lovely voice the technical ability of the players is obvious" and thats about the band in a nutshell. Totally ok to not like something sometimes
Power metal in general tends to be kind of shallow, musically, so I can get how somebody who really knows music would be kind of bored with it
@@HollowGolem thats speed metal and i saw them live they were shit faced and still played flawless
@@HollowGolem Power metal really works well when it is mixed with something other than speed, neo-classical or prog are great combinations, but it is very rare that power metal has a mix in genre at all so it tends to feel boring.
some music just better for doing something to, rather than sitting down and focusing on it
@@michaelberresford4291 Gloryhammer has many symphonical parts in some songs.
I'm actually really impressed that someone who's doing a reaction video had the balls to say "this isn't for me." I love the song myself, but hey, honesty is nice instead of just slobbering all over the band! Kudos!
I've seen DragonForce play live. They definitely are capable of playing this in concert, but you can tell just how incredibly difficult it is to pull of and a couple wrong notes aren't uncommon. Their lead guitarist, Herman Lee even managed to snap B string entirely and had to grab another guitar.
I know this is a year later, but even in this video go to where Herman and Sam have their duel, and look at Hermans whammy bar...before it detaches itself and flies off
@@mrsirty3019 One Dragonforce show probably puts 10 years' worth of wear & tear on the equipment
actually they ended up a version when they recorded the song where he snaped the string by accident and they still kept it. he said in an interview he regularly tries to recreate it live by trying to snap the same string on stage
I have a feeling Blind Guardian - And Then There was Silence is coming!! And loved your honest reaction to this song.
Yeesss react to this masterpiece
It must happen.
Oh god yes, I think that would be totally up his alley.
Yes please!!!
i fucking LOVE that song.
the part where there's actual silence and then a xylophone starts alone is amazing, at least to me.....
Herman Li the guitarist is a great guy, great sense of humor and excellent player.
sorry If I disagree. I think he is a bully.
@@madmansurfing what? He even started a found raising campaign for Jason Becker, when no one cared
Next: Funeral Doom! 🤡🤣
Dragonforce writing a Nightwish, Sabaton, Amaranthe... song in 10 min... :D
Amazing talent, plays “Widdly-widdly-widdly-WEEEEE!!” Very well, so fast you can’t appreciate what he’s doing. It’s like Olympic record metal.
I saw this band live in a small pub where I live a few years ago. They played this song and can confirm they can play it this fast lol
They actually have much more musically interesting pieces than this. This version also cuts out 3/4ths of the solo which is the only part in this song that really changes things up alot.
I know this is their most famous, but to get into them its sadly probably one of the worst to start with.
I don't think it's their best but it is the most popular for a reaon
Every Dragonforce song starts on C#. It's something they do and is part of their signature. Same with the lyric "so far away" which is most if not all of their songs. Edit: also every song is 200bpm. And yes, they can actually do this. This is a slow one for them.
OC-TA-VARIUM! OC-TA-VARIUM! OC-TA-VARIUM! OC-TA-VARIUM!
And Panic Attack (:
A CHANGE OF SEASONS
@@simonerm76 sure why not...these are small songs tbh 😂 but great
@@angellaliotis5200 😅😂
bridges in the sky
That's what you get for not doing more Yngwie reactions. 😂😂
Yngwie coming up on Thursday!
@@Doug.Helvering 👍👌🎸
I'm actually waiting for the Far Beyond the Sun and Blackstar dissection from sir @Doug :)
@@Doug.Helvering Hey Doug Please check out Eric Johnson "Cliffs of Dover'
Please, it would be awesome if you would do "Blind Guardian - And Then There Was Silence (studio version)". It is a masterpiece with great symphonic arrangements!!
I've seen Dragonforce live, and they can, in fact, play this at full tempo.
Dragonforce is my all time favorite band and I'm so thrilled with your reaction to them despite them not winning you over lol. The fact that the first note blew you back into your seat was priceless and was indeed the song's intension. For anyone who has a background in speed, death, trash metal and so forth, but also has an affinity for melody and musical prowess, Dragonforce is the band for you. If you can get used to their speed and ridiculousness, you'll find a fantastic use of melody, harmony, and musical intellect. They are simply amazing at what they do.
Yea it takes a little bit of getting used to, but I think dragonforce is actually one of those few bands that actually gets better the more you listen to them. I personally couldn't stand the high pitch voice at first but eventually I got used to it and now I actually like it (because honostly, for power metal bands this isn't even that high, considering...). Nowadays I can definitely listen to dragonforce while laying in bed and listen to the adventure that their music tries to convey through the complexity of their music. I simply couldn't care less if people call this 'too simple' because either it's not for me, or my brain can neatly fill in the gaps I need it to.
Too bad that's not for everyone who listens to this :D. Their loss for missing out hehe. But to each their own taste. Everyone should definitely find a band or songs that they can also dream away on. It's an experience only music can bring you.
I’d love to see you break down Holy Wars by Megadeth. It’s a good blend of speed and musicality.
And terrible singing!
And relentless drums.
I would love to hear reaction to Holy Wars too!
@@griffinrichardson715 aggressive***
@@griffinrichardson715500x better than yours but Ight
Me: I'm not going to listen to another Fire and Flames reaction, also me: So far awayeeee we wait for the dayeeay!
His facial expression when the first note hit sums it all up.
😆
Let's be honest that was our reaction as well when we first heard Dragonforce
I’m late to this party, but that’s the first thing I thought!
"I think I've reached my line"
all of us, Doug. All of us.
Oh yes Rhapsody of Fire would be great :) (Emerald Sword ;) )
I'm gonna take a guess that tomorrow's German band is Helloween Keeper of the Seven Keys
Herman Li livestreams frequently, and he's really that good. The band seems a 1 trick pony to me, though I find them fun to listen to here and there. I appreciate someone being open and not just saying "OH MAN THIS IS THE BEST".
Yeah once you've heard like 3 songs you've heard them all. It's like all their riffs and solo licks are written on pieces of paper and they just pull them out of a hat to decide the next song.
@@Relyx And isn't putting together a song in the shortest amount if time possible one of their happy in-house challenges? :)) Of course, in such circumstances, the structure and meaning take a back seat, but they truly seem able to produce riffs and solos by the boatload.
They're a fun band to listen to and sing along with in the car, but honestly, I own I think two or three albums and I couldn't even name the album more than two or three songs are from
I like channels where the reactor doesn't praise blindly every song.
Not for everyone.
But they can absolutely do this live, and other guitarists on youtube have learned this song. It's very possible.
I love two other songs from them.
Heroes of Our Time is one.
They can do it live, but they often mess it up in my opinion.
Doug you pulled yourself into this world by reacting to Maiden. Now all of us metalheads need our weekly dose from you lol
Blind Guardian - Nightfall
Thats some slower power metal with fantastic song-writing ear-candy for ya
AND it's German! Too good to be true?..
Yes! I think we'd all really enjoy Doug reacting to that any tracks from that album.
Herman Li has a Twitch channel where he plays guitar. He recently did a fundraiser for Jason Becker. He can play it. I’m not a huge Dragonforce fan, either. I like fast music, but fast and happy gets grating after not too long.
maybe doug could listen to speed metal symphony by cacophony (becker and friedman) and air by jason becker!
My problem with dragonforce is that it's ALWAYS fast.
Everything is just constantly at 11, there's no contrast and it makes them really fatiguing to listen to imo.
@@Leclwrd ok I mostly agree with you but you gotta check out edge of the world because that song is like the only one they’ve done to my knowledge that’s like really different. It’s sick and it’s got death growls in one part (the best part)
Air by Jason Becker for sure
@@Leclwrd but they're literally a speed metal and or power metal band(depending who you ask)
That's literally what their band is
It’s basically a „show-off song“. I‘ve seen them live. They are excellent musicians and the live show was really entertaining. Not my everyday listening though. I had the same reaction at my first listen. But they hava amazing skills and I would certainly go to see them live again.
I once saw them at house of blues in Florida and Herman Li was nearly blackout drunk while playing the solo, and absolutely crushed every note. My mind was blown and still is every time I hear this.
This is honest! Finally some honest reactions! When I was younger I was crazy about Rhapsody - Symphony of Enchanted Lands…I still hear it sometimes…I would be very curious to see your reaction and opinion to this epic diamond!
yeah, I wanna hear his thoughts on Emerald Sword
Doug, I actually look forward even more to your reactions now, because of how honest you were in this one. Sometimes it feels like reactors like everything they listen to, and I'm honestly not as interested to see how someone who likes _whatever_ reacts to the songs I like. I'd rather see someone (like you) who gives things a fair shake and then can give me an honest opinion on what they thought -- knowing you didn't like TTFAF actually makes it easier for us to know what to suggest next. Kudos, bud. :)
I wonder if we'll ever get something by Haken. Celestial Elixir or Atlas Stone would be fun. Very complex musical arrangements.
Haken would be awesome
Hmmm don't know Celestial Elixir or Atlas Stone but Haken has become one of my favorites.. Can't wait to check them out, thanks ! :)
+10
100% on board with these suggestions. I would love to see Doug's take on any Haken.
Cockroach King would be great too, with its acapella sections and surprise lounge jazz.
Through the fire and flames was the first thing I ever saw on youtube. Shit, I'm still here
"I need to see if they can play this live". I can confirm they can. Seen them 5 times now.
Second day of me requesting V: The New Mythology Suite by Symphony X.
You want him to listening to the whole album? Hahahaha
I would be happy even for only Egypt from that album, but the whole album worth it.
YES! If nothing else, he should really listen to Rediscovery II... Every living humang being should!
And while you're at it, V by Spock's Beard as well!
How do we get him to listen to the full Odyssey song?
I have to recommend you to listen to Helloween - Keeper of The Seven Keys , that song is a true masterpiece and I really think you'll like it .
And Halloween from them is really nice but agreed,that's a GREAT song
Same here :)
Helloween has so many better songs, I don't get it why people stick to that one.
@@Hy-jg8ow it’s always a question of taste.
I do think it is a good song for a reaction.
As an Helloween fan I will be happy to see a reaction of any of their songs :)
I am not huge fan of speed/power metal but Finnish band Stratovarius is huge in that genre and I'd recommend their song Black Diamond which you might like more since it is more than just speed for speed's sake.
Elysium!
Millennium, Destiny, Fourth Reich, etc. Strato is full of good songs.
yeah, BlackDiamond is a classic but... also a generic song, compositionally.
Elysium would be a better option :)
Agreed. Stratovarius has a good mix of Power Metal and Melodic Metal. They have the neoclassical influence too
UNBREAKABLE!
"I couldn't play keyboard like that, I'd break my neck" that caught me off-guard and I spat my tea out 😂
They do actually play like that live! Power metal is a guilty pleasure of mine.
No such thing as, a guilty pleasure.
If we're running with power metal, I would love to know what you think of more complex bands/songs like "And then there was silence" by Blind Guardian
Rhapsody - Lamento Eroico.
Goosebump warning on that song.
That'd be fantastic!
The drums will make it Doug not liking any power metal I guess.
Anything Luca Turilli would be good by me!
I agree 👍👍
@@Hy-jg8ow have you heard the song?
The fact that some people love this song and some people don't generally like it too much is the reason why it's a good song to be on this program.
I was like 10 when this song got popular. I played piano, and the synthesizers really grabbed my attention. As I grew up I was introduced to ELP, Rush, Genesis, Dream Theater and other prog bands. I have a feeling I would've loved those bands regardless, but DragonForce kinda put me on a fast track to finding more and more interesting stuff. Sure it doesn't have not the most impressive lyrics or complex chord progression, but I have some fantastic memories of listening to this song and album while playing Halo 3 with my friends. It's anthemic and fun, especially to a hyperactive 10 year old.
They're all technical skill, but you're right. In the end it's a heroic-feeling anthem, with no complexity. There's no depth, but it's fun for getting pumped up
Helloween Keeper of the Seven Keys will be tomorrows song!
If possible from Pumpkins United
🤘 H A L L 🎃 W E E N 🤘
I would love if you checked out Angels Cry, by the Brazilian Power Metal band Angra (it's the band Kiko Loureiro, who plays today for Megadeth, comes from)
Or perhaps "Carry On" ( studio version) - That'd be fantastic!
Or any song from the Holy Land album....
Or even the "Temple of Shadows in Concert" with a live orchestra
Brs, sapeca o like pra ele ver!!!
@@philmuller-geib3361 Carry on is a great song, of course. But I would like to listen to Doug's comments about a song with that characteristic style of songwriting of Andre Matos, putting classical music in the middle of the song
Would much rather hear him do Fireworks from that band.
Carolina IV its a nice one too
You should give HELLOWEEN a try.
"Keeper of the seven keys" would definitely be worth investing some time.
Refreshing to see a TH-cam reactor actually admit they don't like a song
"Through the fire and Flames" is very popular piece translated for piano, percussion ensemble, marimba, marching bands, and even acapella groups.
It's so weird to hear it after Through the Tables and Memes...
I have that with Fishmaster :D
I would like to suggest a reaction to Angel of Salvation by Galneryus, they're a Japanese power metal band, and the song is inspired by Tchaikovsky's violin concerto in D major
Also the music video is not the whole song, the actual song is around 14 minutes long
I was going to recommend it as well! Though I don't know if he will like it considering he's not a power metal drumming fan lol
He should also check out Versailles they are a Symphonic Metal Band.
Destiny The Lovers, is not that long, compared to most of the songs in that genre.
I would also suggest Unlucky Morphious Cadaver / Revdac, they are Technical Speed Metal and that won't has a Verdi subtext to it.
@@gerardcote8391 Versailles is amazing! I would probably recommend Faith and Decision
I was never a big fan of power metal, but Galneryus had the first power metal song I ever loved, Hunting for a Dream. Sure I heard it as the ED for Hunter x Hunter, but man was it HYPE
A True musician knows when to slow down - Daily Ludwig Sebastian Mozart
They 100% can do it live. I’ve seen them. It was mind blowing 🤘🤘🔥🔥🔥🔥.
I feel sorry for all the humans that don't experience absolute tear-inducing bliss hearing this song
You should look up some Blind Guardian. It's a different band, attempting to sound closer to medieval music as they're mostly inspired by Tolkien.
They have great jems!!
Also, more complex composition on later albums
I literally started LOL when I saw the thumbnail for this one. These guys have somehow managed to be fun, light hearted, and bad ass at the same time without the cheesyness of bands like manowar or grim reaper. Saw them live maybe 15 years ago or something and they put on a great show
Garbage for teeny boppers
Let's be honest. This song is fast food in it's entirety
So true
You say that like it's a bad thing....🤷
@@ChrisPage68 It just kinda has no lasting value/benefit imo
@@ChrisPage68 it is...and at the same time it's not. If you are just regular casual audience i think it would be really enjoyable and there are cool sections. But if you like music more like "intellectual", this could be just fast food, you know
I mean is a really cool song, but musically turns out to be really simple and over produced, straight to the point, with a fucking badass epic chorus and a memorable solo section. That's it. Musically there are not so many interesting elements from a musician perspective.
Is just my opinion, i really enjoy the song anyways
Rhapsody!! Rhapsody!! The mighty ride of the firelord
I've seen these guys twice in concert. And, for wild crazy stuff they actually put on a very intimate show. Lots of eye contact, laughs, really just having fun.
"i'm doing a German band tomorrow, that's all I'm gonna say"
We know it's Rammstein, but we'll act shocked
Or Helloween
Yeah, my money's on Helloween.
Blind guardian
@@timmarshall2491 I just hope its something like Keeper of the Seven Keys and not something like I Want Out
@@shanebilowitz7261 that would be a surprise
Emerson Lake and Palmer “Tarkus”
Seconds this, i'm sure he'll appreciate Keith's genius
That definitely needs to happen.
You have now heard all their songs.
hahahahaha
True lol from me
i would say that they actually have 1 song that is very different that's also just a very good rock/metal ballad in trail of broken hearts
All he has to hear is "So far away" and he's heard them all lol
Appreciate the honesty, Doug! Keep the reviews coming.
I loved the first time he said they played fast. I was just thinking "just wait for the solo"
Vinnie Moore and Marty Friedman are two shredders that have a great sense of composition. They can shred with the best of them but the song never suffers because they want to show off their chops. Great intro to Vinnie Moore, "Daydream' off the Mind's Eye Album. Great intro to Marty Friedman, 'Thunder March' from Dragon's Kiss.
I would add Jason Becker, who played with Marty on the superb Cacophony albums.
I also like a lof Friedman's solo on Hangar 18, back on his Megadeth days.
@@The_Original_Geoff_B I have recommended Jason Becker a few times. I think Doug, as a chorale teacher, would really appreciate 'Higher.'
Yes please, Blind Guardian, And Then There Was Silence. Progressive, Epic. Vivid storey telling at its pinnacle!
A Change of Seasons - Dream Theater with lyrics would be really interesting!
No. We're sick of DT. Awful songwriters, boring af
Way too Long. Its like a 30 min song.
@@majurbludd The length would be okay if it weren't so effing boring. DT bites off waaay more than they can chew, obsessed with trying to be more epic than their prog rock peers. YAAAWWN
@@RogueReplicant If that's what you think. Most of us who watch Doug don't think that.
@@Dynamite___Harry Okay, chief, whatever you say ☺️
I am having fun, Doug. You, as a hard-core veteran composer, are discovering music I know for many years. But to hear your professional comments is something new and interesting. For me, it is similar to Stephen Hawking's talks about quantum mechanics to an audience of "normal" people. I am not able to understand everything you say, but I am able to better understand how things are working in music. And for that, I want to thank you! As an old metal/rock-head I am having fun :))
I liked how you picked up the Hotel California straight away.
Someone's done a mix of the two on TH-cam and it's hilarious.
Hahaha, Dragonforce happens to be my cup of tea! Thanks for the reaction though :-) They do actually play this fast live! Their lastest album is awesome!
"make sure they can actually do this" - haha - check out Herman Li's Twitch and the Dragonforce TH-cam channel! He's just as impressive in real time!
Shaman - Fairy Tale (Ritualive) 🇧🇷🇧🇷
"I reach my line" jajajajajaj love doug
It's okay to not like it, appreciate your honest reaction and truthfulness! Even though I love the song. Staying real and honest is always the way to go. Much love Doug.
They're techically power metal, but I thought you'd not like them, they're known for their high BPM sound (usually over 200), lots of blast beats (double kick drum technique), faster guitar solos and a bit of retro videogames sounds, like chiptune music. They're definitely impressive, but melodically nothing out of ordinary.
Also, the version you reacted, it's not the full studio recording version. And they can play this live, Herman Li (one the guitarists) has a Twitch channel and he shreds really hard live.
Blast beat isn't a double kick drum technique, it's snare technique.
React to Jason Becker, he has some songs with classical influence for example, Air, Serrana and End of the beginning
Would love to see Dream Theater-THE BEST OF TIMES or AS I AM reaction
Pull Me Under would be great too
I like that you are honest and say clear what you dont like :)
"The drums are ... just going ..."
They took the Iron Maiden gallop and ran with it. (Get it? Huh-huh-huh.)
This band has been dubbed “Studioforce” by some due to their apparent inability to play songs like this live. This is entirely false as I have seen them live and heard them do this warts and all. And it was magnificent!!
You have to watch the little Japanese drummer called JUNNA who's cover of the drum track to this song is simply awesome. She's know as the Pride of Japan. So this should be your next challenge to check out the technical drumming.
The story behind the song is amazing. Speed metal twos great stories. May help people appreciate the song.
Your reaction is very honest and real!
there are people that understand music, and then we have people that appreciate it. I don't listen to speed metal, but as a musician I enjoyed this.
Same here. Their style isn't for me, but I can absolutely appreciate the talent it takes to play at this level, and their showmanship. It's not in anyway a bad song either. It's clear and listenable, not just a ton of noise blasted at you. This one and a few others of theirs even end up in my rotation for long road drives.
This is the only music reaction channel worth watching. Someone who actually knows music theory and explains things. Seen so many reactions where people have nothing to say other then “wow, it’s amazing, I love it”. honest if he doesn’t like something and I love that.
Check out Elizabeth Zharkoff - @thecharismaticvoice. She focuses on vocal technique, and is a nice complement to Dr. Doug's theory.
Maybe do „Keeper Of The Seven Keys“ by Helloween…. :)
Why always that song? Why???
WOW, this was unexpected hahaha, NEXT THE CLAYVORYANT - IRON MAIDEN, PLEASE
The "Hotel California" reference made me laugh way harder than it should have.
3.24 "Cool wind in my hair" LOL I've never thought of that.
When you paused 20 seconds in to discuss the whammy lift, TH-cam played an ad for cargo shorts. The Algorithm really cuts deep sometimes.
I bought this album and maybe listened to it in it's entirety once. I was awed by them, but it was short lived. The term "less is more" really hits the nail on the head here. Great musicians, but it got kind of cheesy real quick.
I knew you weren't gonna be all that impressed composition-wise. But their skill is undeniable and the reason so many of us appreciate them.
Even the Dragonforce guys make fun of their own music in that aspect.
It's trash ffs
@@RogueReplicant Thank you for your opinion.
The music video cuts out so much and makes the song bland. The full 8 minute song is way better, because there’s actual rhythmic texture and melodrama.
@@dissemin8or Lipstick on a pig doesn't change the underlying crap
Would love to see you react to Helloween - Keeper of the Seven Keys. 13 minuts of epic 80's power metal. Great melody and storytelling.
Exactly, another possibility by Dragonforce would "Cry Thunder" or some less speedy song.
Never seen anyone like you before, calling out the C- and C+'s or whatever, must have been something I missed. Simply amazing that you can do that when everything else is going on!
I have seen them live, up close. They do play that fast, it's crazy.