This upsets me so much. I'm so proud to be Canadian and I support our athletes across all sports. Now we're going to be labeled as cheaters and our victories will be soured. And was it worth it? What do they actually gain by watching these practices?
@@Jamescraigjohnson The coaching staff could review the footage then formulate their strategy without the players being involved, so there is a way. BTW, I did play on a national team too - in soccer.
@@davidmccaig6647 I'm pretty sure that coaching staff(men's team) couldn't formulate much period. That's why they flew drones around like a bunch of fools.
OMG! Not again Canada sports culture is in shambles it seems. Everyone is cheating or betting on their games in IceHockey or Soccer. Shame! Shaaaaaameeeeeee! 😂 They need to suspend their whole team because now they have practised to play against their opponents. This is embarrassing Jesse. But I'm not one to blame you guys, it's the sports scene that does that. And as a Finnish i know how these scandal's feel like. We had our doping thing in Skiing in early 2000's.
If you test positive for doping, you get kicked off the tournament immediately. You don't just go home for the day and come back in a few days to compete again. unethical for canada to remain and play on at olympics. Canada should withdraw CANwnt and compete again once the entire coaching staff is replaced.
there is a serious issue with the games if you get sent back immediately. You might have teams not playing the same amount of games and getting benefitted with it. Not saying it's the situation for Canada now, but it's a dangerous door to open. I do, however, agree with punishment for future competitions and after thooroughly indication of responsibles and episodes (or proof that it is something systemic). Especially since they are saying that it's not just a situation with the women's national team. For example, Mexico was banned from the 1990 world cup because of a scandal in which they altered/falsified the age of players in continental junior competitions before the world cup qualifier even began.
@@otaviofrn_adv i guess it won't be fair to other teams if france and columbia get a free rest day if canada withdrew. I think fifa should have awarded 3 points to new zealand for opening this can of worms and deduct 3 points (or 6) to canada
There’s no way the players didn’t know. Your coaches have all this intel and video from other teams and know nothing of it? Or a chance. This will set back soccer’s growing popularity in Canada for years. As it should. I’m ashamed and embarrassed. And I’m not even a soccer fan. I’m already disgusted with hockey Canada .. and now this. It’s all very bad. Wake up Canada. DO BETTER.
I'm not sure what evidence will emerge, from any investigation, of any player on any Canadian national soccer team who actually PARTICIPATED in Dronegate. That said, I do look forward to an overdue, but necessary, housecleaning that involves execs and coaches employed by the Canadian Soccer Association so that such a scandal NEVER happens again. Whether that housecleaning will actually occur remains TBD.
Yeah, I agree. NHL and Ice hockey itself has had issues a lot, scandalous things I might add. And now Soccer too. Jesse Is so upset right now. And I bet so are Steve and Adam too. I'm so sorry for you. Canadians are nice people I've come to notice when I started to talk with you all back in 2017 or 2018. Then I started to watch ESPN back then
Blame Bev Priestman and her staff. This is disgraceful. Canada could get sent home over this. They should at the very least forfeit their points. The gold medal they won is also questionable now.
The gold medal Canada's adult women's soccer team won at the 2021 Tokyo Games seems such a distant memory. At the Paris Olympic Games there was no Canadian men's team, adult or youth, that qualified. The last two relevant World Cups at which Canadian soccer teams have competed, the respective 2022 and 2023 adult men's and women's, resulted in exits during the group stage, with the women's team having needed just an additional point to advance but the men's team not having gotten a point at all. It may very well be Canada's adult women's team will get to keep whatever medal it may win although the last time the relevant Canadian team face a host country of a given tournament, the host country won convincingly (4-0). As much as I would like to believe the relevant Canadian team will beat its French counterpart when the two teams face each other in the next game each of those two teams is scheduled to play, I have to wonder if the relevant Canadian team will fare much better. Getting off to a slow start got me thinking whether, like at last year's Women's World Cup, the relevant Canadian team had turned into a version of the Stanley-Cup-playoff-choking Maple Leafs.
One of the things as a Canadian I was looking forward to this Olympics was female soccer/football. I guess I can turn my attention to B-boy Phil Wizard's breaking skills.
A good sequel builds and expands upon the original. In the original Spygate, it was folks in the stadium with cameras. Now, in the sequel, it's drones. It's brilliant, I love it. And they woulda gotten away with it, too, if it hadn't been for Rick Westhead and that blasted dog!
@bp2352 what Olympic event do you think is a more real sport? Ya got basketball baseball and soccer. Pretty much the only 3 contact team sports in the Olympics. Lacrosse?
I feeling like I'm missing something. Why even do this? Like, what advantage would this spying even give you? Watching game tapes must be infinitely more useful than watching their drills lol
Yeah. I don’t think this is helping much. We still haven’t won much. I think this is not a big deal. Yes they should not have done it and get rid of whoever was involved but we can move on. Tactics like formations or pks can be watched in game tapes. Formations are given before games. Not sure why they thought drones would be helpful.
@@davebruttoIt does help unfortunately. I wish it wouldn't but it does. Why didn't they use drone camera to see swimming team, at least that wouldn't help as much. 😂😁
It's quite possible that FIFA will strip from Canada the hosting rights the 2026 adult men's World Cup if not also the gold the adult women's team won in Tokyo and expel the latter team from the Paris Games. TBD is how deep the rot within Canada Soccer goes, and who within that federation should be punished for having participated in the use of drones to film opposing team practices.
Most likely not. FIFA World Cup promotes cheating and payouts. It's what they live on. Plus the 2026 World Cup is Canada, USA and Mexico combined locations. They'd have to know that same happened before Tokyo to strip them of a medal.
Never going to happen. These days, cheaters prosper. And when they get caught, they still prosper. That's why they take the risk of cheating. Same with big corporations. Loblaws made 5 billion from price fixing groceries, and they have to pay back 500 million. Pretty good on the balance sheet.
stripping hosting rights I don't think so. This is a far more intricated thing, if they strip hosting rights the political problem for fifa will be massive. I would be surprised if FIFA makes Canada goes through the qualifier instead of having an aq as a host. For me the most realistic punishment that might happen for the women's team is them being banned from the next world cup.
@@otaviofrn_adv Who knew, before FIFA had chosen to dock CanWNT 6 standings points, but leave the goal difference unchanged, what FIFA might do to any of Canada's national soccer teams? After all: - FIFA had chosen to in 2022, until further notice, in response, it claimed, to the Russian Army's invasion of neighbouring Ukraine, ban soccer teams run by the Russian Football Union (RFU), the governing body for soccer in the ex-Soviet republic - the International Ice Hockey Federation (IIHF) had chosen to do the same to teams run by the Russian Ice Hockey Federation, ice hockey's equivalent to the RFU, with the stripping of hosting rights to the respective 2023 Top Division tourneys for the under-20 (World Junior [WJC]) and adult men's groups, with: -- Novosibirsk and Omsk initially scheduled to cohost the WJC tourney to end in early-January of the relevant calendar year -- St. Petersburg initialy scheduled to host the adult men's tourney scheduled for May of the same calendar year - no Canadian soccer team, to my knowledge, had previously been given a standings-points deduction The 2026 FIFA Adult Men's World Cup, for which the relevant Canadian, American and Mexican teams, as cohosts, have already qualified, shouldn't be affected unless a significant, but necessary, housecleaning of the Canadian Soccer Association (CSA) DOESN'T occur. Yet this Olympic tourney has for CanWNT been so tainted that if necessary sponsors of the CSA SHOULD, like such sponsors did to Hockey Canada in 2022 after the ice hockey org had for years covered up a gang rape that London, Ontario's police service had alleged some members of that country's WJC team had committed in 2018, demand CSA do a housecleaning and only reinstate funding after clear, convincing evidence such a housecleaning has occurred. The 2027 FIFA Adult Women's World Cup will be hosted in the Americas, but not by Canada; indeed, the WWC will be one Brazil hosts in 10 different cities. How for Concacaf member states that FIFA allows to participate in qualification such qualification will work remains TBD although the same also is TBD for the 2028 Summer Olympics. It may be FIFA will choose to ban CanWNT from the next relevant World Cup and/or Olympic tourney but it may be the 6-point deduction will be enough to send CanWNT home from the group stage. Had it not been for the standing points deduction, in Group A: - CanWNT would've been 1st with 6 points and a +2 goal difference (GD) - Colombia 2nd with 3 points and a +1 GD - France 3rd with 3 points and a 0 GD - NZ 4th with 0 and a -3 GD It was possible that without the standings-points deduction the relevant Canadian, Colombian and French teams would've ended group-stage action with identical 2-0-1 win-draw-loss records, good enough for 7 points by each, with tiebreakers likely to 1st be decided on GD. Beating the relevant Colombian team will mean, with the Latin-American one with a +1 GD and the Canadian one with a +2 GD, the CanWNT will finish ahead of the Colombian one on that tiebreaker. A draw between the 2 teams will mean just 1 point for the Canadian one, and most likely the Canadian team having the lowest point total among 3rd-place teams if the relevant NZ team doesn't win its upcoming game against its French counterpart. The relevant NZ team, with a -3 GD, appears to be a longshot to leapfrog any combo of 2 of the Colombian, French and Canadian teams, but beating the French team by at least 2 goals will give the NZ team a chance to finish top-3 because a tie on points will mean the NZ team will finish ahead of the French one. It'll be interesting to find out what happens on Wednesday Eastern (Daylight) Time when the 4 teams in Group A will be in action that afternoon.
While the women side seem pretty clear cut, on the men's side id still nees a bit more proof to conclude that it has been that generalized. But it sure looks bad anyway
Can someone explain to me how this differs from just watching video playback of an opponent team playing their game? I’m not condoning it I just don’t know enough about soccer to understand how watching a practice is akin to forging documents?
You're allowed to watch a video of what teams did publicly in the past; you can't film their private training sessions, especially in advance of playing them! Completely different scenarios.
Why even do it. How much are you going to learn from a stupid drone. Ridiculous. I think both priestma and herdman should be fined and sanctioned. We don't need this garbage. It seems to happen way to often
Referring to Quinn i assume. But Quinn was born "female", then "identified" as a man, and then non binary. Regardless if your original complaint was valid or not, the facts show it to be moot.
This is so dumb you could just send someone to watch the practice, pretty sure people can watch teams practice, just show up and watch, or watch the games they’ve played in the past.
games played in the past is totally ok. practices, just the ones open to the public. so close to a game in a major tournament teams don't normally open them
I understand what you are saying about banning .....But the Atheletes practice for yrs and no part of the scandal ...how is that fair ? ban the entire coaching staff yes I agree...... Atheletes if they do get banned I would sue my coaching staff as a team for wasting yrs of my life for this team like holy fuck !
From what is going around most if not all teams do this. Canada got caught though. Like steroids in baseball, most were doing them only some got exposed.
While I agree it's cheating but as far as cheating goes I feel like it's as light as it could possibly be. Not like the Astros world series win. Idk, there's levels I guess.
This is blown out of the water. Alot of teams do this and they dont get caught. I'm glad theh didnt get actually cheat in terms of fixing matches or paying refs and or doping. This is nothing lol.
This upsets me so much. I'm so proud to be Canadian and I support our athletes across all sports. Now we're going to be labeled as cheaters and our victories will be soured. And was it worth it? What do they actually gain by watching these practices?
The good news is this won't be the narrative in the NHL since Canadian teams never win
I'm so sorry to hear this BS. I mean it might even take away interest from some fan's and they won't follow games as they normally would.
we have a man playing on our women s team...watching a practice is hardly cheating relative to that. come on.
@@ugghhhyoutubeisawful646 I didn't know that. That's a shame. That is worse than dronegate. I blame Trudeau.
He is demented.
As a former national team member (not in soccer) there is no chance that players are in the dark about this. Shameful!!
@@Jamescraigjohnson The coaching staff could review the footage then formulate their strategy without the players being involved, so there is a way. BTW, I did play on a national team too - in soccer.
@@davidmccaig6647 I'm pretty sure that coaching staff(men's team) couldn't formulate much period. That's why they flew drones around like a bunch of fools.
OMG! Not again Canada sports culture is in shambles it seems. Everyone is cheating or betting on their games in IceHockey or Soccer. Shame! Shaaaaaameeeeeee! 😂
They need to suspend their whole team because now they have practised to play against their opponents. This is embarrassing Jesse.
But I'm not one to blame you guys, it's the sports scene that does that. And as a Finnish i know how these scandal's feel like. We had our doping thing in Skiing in early 2000's.
If you test positive for doping, you get kicked off the tournament immediately. You don't just go home for the day and come back in a few days to compete again. unethical for canada to remain and play on at olympics. Canada should withdraw CANwnt and compete again once the entire coaching staff is replaced.
Agreed!
there is a serious issue with the games if you get sent back immediately. You might have teams not playing the same amount of games and getting benefitted with it. Not saying it's the situation for Canada now, but it's a dangerous door to open.
I do, however, agree with punishment for future competitions and after thooroughly indication of responsibles and episodes (or proof that it is something systemic). Especially since they are saying that it's not just a situation with the women's national team.
For example, Mexico was banned from the 1990 world cup because of a scandal in which they altered/falsified the age of players in continental junior competitions before the world cup qualifier even began.
@@otaviofrn_adv i guess it won't be fair to other teams if france and columbia get a free rest day if canada withdrew. I think fifa should have awarded 3 points to new zealand for opening this can of worms and deduct 3 points (or 6) to canada
@@For_Cruyff_Sake Canada was punished with 6 points less
There’s no way the players didn’t know. Your coaches have all this intel and video from other teams and know nothing of it? Or a chance. This will set back soccer’s growing popularity in Canada for years. As it should. I’m ashamed and embarrassed. And I’m not even a soccer fan. I’m already disgusted with hockey Canada .. and now this. It’s all very bad. Wake up Canada. DO BETTER.
I'm not sure what evidence will emerge, from any investigation, of any player on any Canadian national soccer team who actually PARTICIPATED in Dronegate. That said, I do look forward to an overdue, but necessary, housecleaning that involves execs and coaches employed by the Canadian Soccer Association so that such a scandal NEVER happens again. Whether that housecleaning will actually occur remains TBD.
What were they thinking? Shameful and unnecessary
Team Canada sports not looking good rn
Yeah, I agree. NHL and Ice hockey itself has had issues a lot, scandalous things I might add. And now Soccer too.
Jesse Is so upset right now. And I bet so are Steve and Adam too. I'm so sorry for you. Canadians are nice people I've come to notice when I started to talk with you all back in 2017 or 2018. Then I started to watch ESPN back then
I blame Bill Bellichick. Next we'll be under inflating soccer balls.
Blame Bev Priestman and her staff. This is disgraceful. Canada could get sent home over this. They should at the very least forfeit their points. The gold medal they won is also questionable now.
huh, and they both have the same haircut
Independent investigation done by themselves? Sounds legit 😂
As an American, I'm flattered that Canada is imitating American football.
Guess they stole the patriots playbook lol
Canada is "lucky" not to be be disqualified from the tournament immediatelly..., would be deserved though hard on players.
The gold medal Canada's adult women's soccer team won at the 2021 Tokyo Games seems such a distant memory. At the Paris Olympic Games there was no Canadian men's team, adult or youth, that qualified.
The last two relevant World Cups at which Canadian soccer teams have competed, the respective 2022 and 2023 adult men's and women's, resulted in exits during the group stage, with the women's team having needed just an additional point to advance but the men's team not having gotten a point at all. It may very well be Canada's adult women's team will get to keep whatever medal it may win although the last time the relevant Canadian team face a host country of a given tournament, the host country won convincingly (4-0). As much as I would like to believe the relevant Canadian team will beat its French counterpart when the two teams face each other in the next game each of those two teams is scheduled to play, I have to wonder if the relevant Canadian team will fare much better. Getting off to a slow start got me thinking whether, like at last year's Women's World Cup, the relevant Canadian team had turned into a version of the Stanley-Cup-playoff-choking Maple Leafs.
@@wainber1 To be fair, the CanMNT just making the FIFA World Cup (men's) was seen as an accomplishment and they played well in Copa América.
@@DetectiveRFB they cheated.
For Gods Sake Grow Up..
Soccer Canada knew all along.
Send them all home...fire the dude coach.
One of the things as a Canadian I was looking forward to this Olympics was female soccer/football. I guess I can turn my attention to B-boy Phil Wizard's breaking skills.
A good sequel builds and expands upon the original. In the original Spygate, it was folks in the stadium with cameras. Now, in the sequel, it's drones. It's brilliant, I love it. And they woulda gotten away with it, too, if it hadn't been for Rick Westhead and that blasted dog!
It's good that West head is on top of this. He's a great investigating reporter.
I wouldn't be as proud about this as you though.
Westhead didn't break the story; others did.
All over stupid soccer? At least cheat on a real sport.
@bp2352 what Olympic event do you think is a more real sport? Ya got basketball baseball and soccer. Pretty much the only 3 contact team sports in the Olympics. Lacrosse?
Rick Westhead is such a beast
He didn't break the story.
@@TT-fq7pl I don’t think I said he did. He’s just a solid reporter.
The other teams are probably doing the same.
I feeling like I'm missing something. Why even do this? Like, what advantage would this spying even give you? Watching game tapes must be infinitely more useful than watching their drills lol
You see the tactics that they are practicing for your next game. The way they played against another team isn't necessarily how they will play you.
Yeah. I don’t think this is helping much. We still haven’t won much. I think this is not a big deal. Yes they should not have done it and get rid of whoever was involved but we can move on. Tactics like formations or pks can be watched in game tapes. Formations are given before games. Not sure why they thought drones would be helpful.
It gives out team strategies and their different line combo's. Obviously
@@davebruttoIt does help unfortunately. I wish it wouldn't but it does. Why didn't they use drone camera to see swimming team, at least that wouldn't help as much. 😂😁
@@ThisisbailieExactly. BTW I'm little shocked that some commentors are actually proud that team's do this and blame Rick Westhead exposing them.
Here in America, we call this "The Patriot Way."
Jesse!super ~=)
12 gauge buckshot in a wide spread brings down drones hovering under 50 metres around our property. Managed to bag two last year...
Bill belichik take the air out the ball just so he can flex
It's quite possible that FIFA will strip from Canada the hosting rights the 2026 adult men's World Cup if not also the gold the adult women's team won in Tokyo and expel the latter team from the Paris Games. TBD is how deep the rot within Canada Soccer goes, and who within that federation should be punished for having participated in the use of drones to film opposing team practices.
Most likely not. FIFA World Cup promotes cheating and payouts. It's what they live on. Plus the 2026 World Cup is Canada, USA and Mexico combined locations. They'd have to know that same happened before Tokyo to strip them of a medal.
Never going to happen. These days, cheaters prosper. And when they get caught, they still prosper. That's why they take the risk of cheating. Same with big corporations. Loblaws made 5 billion from price fixing groceries, and they have to pay back 500 million. Pretty good on the balance sheet.
stripping hosting rights I don't think so. This is a far more intricated thing, if they strip hosting rights the political problem for fifa will be massive. I would be surprised if FIFA makes Canada goes through the qualifier instead of having an aq as a host.
For me the most realistic punishment that might happen for the women's team is them being banned from the next world cup.
@@otaviofrn_adv Who knew, before FIFA had chosen to dock CanWNT 6 standings points, but leave the goal difference unchanged, what FIFA might do to any of Canada's national soccer teams? After all:
- FIFA had chosen to in 2022, until further notice, in response, it claimed, to the Russian Army's invasion of neighbouring Ukraine, ban soccer teams run by the Russian Football Union (RFU), the governing body for soccer in the ex-Soviet republic
- the International Ice Hockey Federation (IIHF) had chosen to do the same to teams run by the Russian Ice Hockey Federation, ice hockey's equivalent to the RFU, with the stripping of hosting rights to the respective 2023 Top Division tourneys for the under-20 (World Junior [WJC]) and adult men's groups, with:
-- Novosibirsk and Omsk initially scheduled to cohost the WJC tourney to end in early-January of the relevant calendar year
-- St. Petersburg initialy scheduled to host the adult men's tourney scheduled for May of the same calendar year
- no Canadian soccer team, to my knowledge, had previously been given a standings-points deduction
The 2026 FIFA Adult Men's World Cup, for which the relevant Canadian, American and Mexican teams, as cohosts, have already qualified, shouldn't be affected unless a significant, but necessary, housecleaning of the Canadian Soccer Association (CSA) DOESN'T occur. Yet this Olympic tourney has for CanWNT been so tainted that if necessary sponsors of the CSA SHOULD, like such sponsors did to Hockey Canada in 2022 after the ice hockey org had for years covered up a gang rape that London, Ontario's police service had alleged some members of that country's WJC team had committed in 2018, demand CSA do a housecleaning and only reinstate funding after clear, convincing evidence such a housecleaning has occurred.
The 2027 FIFA Adult Women's World Cup will be hosted in the Americas, but not by Canada; indeed, the WWC will be one Brazil hosts in 10 different cities. How for Concacaf member states that FIFA allows to participate in qualification such qualification will work remains TBD although the same also is TBD for the 2028 Summer Olympics. It may be FIFA will choose to ban CanWNT from the next relevant World Cup and/or Olympic tourney but it may be the 6-point deduction will be enough to send CanWNT home from the group stage. Had it not been for the standing points deduction, in Group A:
- CanWNT would've been 1st with 6 points and a +2 goal difference (GD)
- Colombia 2nd with 3 points and a +1 GD
- France 3rd with 3 points and a 0 GD
- NZ 4th with 0 and a -3 GD
It was possible that without the standings-points deduction the relevant Canadian, Colombian and French teams would've ended group-stage action with identical 2-0-1 win-draw-loss records, good enough for 7 points by each, with tiebreakers likely to 1st be decided on GD. Beating the relevant Colombian team will mean, with the Latin-American one with a +1 GD and the Canadian one with a +2 GD, the CanWNT will finish ahead of the Colombian one on that tiebreaker. A draw between the 2 teams will mean just 1 point for the Canadian one, and most likely the Canadian team having the lowest point total among 3rd-place teams if the relevant NZ team doesn't win its upcoming game against its French counterpart.
The relevant NZ team, with a -3 GD, appears to be a longshot to leapfrog any combo of 2 of the Colombian, French and Canadian teams, but beating the French team by at least 2 goals will give the NZ team a chance to finish top-3 because a tie on points will mean the NZ team will finish ahead of the French one. It'll be interesting to find out what happens on Wednesday Eastern (Daylight) Time when the 4 teams in Group A will be in action that afternoon.
While the women side seem pretty clear cut, on the men's side id still nees a bit more proof to conclude that it has been that generalized.
But it sure looks bad anyway
USA USA USA USA USA USA
What the fuck is good jesse
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Cheating and they still suck...
Celebronny!
@@chrisstorment1123 They beat France - number 2 in the world - without drones. Maybe Frances sucks too?
@@davidmccaig6647 wasn't including the women's team. Cuz no one gives a ---- about women's soccer. Except Canadians.
When did soccer Canada hire bill belicheck??
Can someone explain to me how this differs from just watching video playback of an opponent team playing their game? I’m not condoning it I just don’t know enough about soccer to understand how watching a practice is akin to forging documents?
You're allowed to watch a video of what teams did publicly in the past; you can't film their private training sessions, especially in advance of playing them! Completely different scenarios.
Why even do it. How much are you going to learn from a stupid drone. Ridiculous. I think both priestma and herdman should be fined and sanctioned. We don't need this garbage. It seems to happen way to often
oh, they are getting fined in 250 thousand swiss francs and suspended for a year iirc
Tin tin is in troubke
Sadly, every country has cheaters but this doesn't stop me from being proud to be Canadian
they have a man on their team and ppl r losing it b/c of a drone watching practices??? LOL!
Referring to Quinn i assume. But Quinn was born "female", then "identified" as a man, and then non binary. Regardless if your original complaint was valid or not, the facts show it to be moot.
This is so dumb you could just send someone to watch the practice, pretty sure people can watch teams practice, just show up and watch, or watch the games they’ve played in the past.
games played in the past is totally ok. practices, just the ones open to the public. so close to a game in a major tournament teams don't normally open them
Drones are cheating? Tell that to Ukraine and Russia.
I understand what you are saying about banning .....But the Atheletes practice for yrs and no part of the scandal ...how is that fair ? ban the entire coaching staff yes I agree...... Atheletes if they do get banned I would sue my coaching staff as a team for wasting yrs of my life for this team like holy fuck !
From what is going around most if not all teams do this. Canada got caught though. Like steroids in baseball, most were doing them only some got exposed.
While I agree it's cheating but as far as cheating goes I feel like it's as light as it could possibly be. Not like the Astros world series win. Idk, there's levels I guess.
That's like being a little bit pregnant.
This is blown out of the water. Alot of teams do this and they dont get caught. I'm glad theh didnt get actually cheat in terms of fixing matches or paying refs and or doping. This is nothing lol.