The paramilitaries who live on in Northern Ireland
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- Northern Ireland saw outbreaks of violence last week, which the police said had been orchestrated by paramilitaries.
20 years since the Good Friday Agreement, these outlawed groups - synonymous with atrocities from the past - are still said to be intact and recruiting.
But why do they still exist? And how do they still maintain such a seemingly potent grip in certain communities?
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These people are simply mafia, telling themselves the community wants their good deeds to continue as they terrorize them.
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There is a mafia in every town and country in this world. Not only Northern Ireland. If people think otherwise they need to wake up. No matter who it is or what group,there will always someone else or a group to be replaced.
@@charm8167 no other country has it so deeply engrained in their society than back home.
Do you think Japan has Jakuza murals?
Does sicily have murals for their mafia?
Police act like this everywhere.
I think any decent Irish person would like to live their life in peace rather keep going through all this.
The solution to the ira is easy unite Ireland. The brits have no right to rule ireland when they can't even keep London british
I’m Irish but every decent Irish person wants to be united with the rest of Ireland were just fighting for freedom
S O , I’m very glad to see comments like yours...
We were brought up in Loyalist parts of the country.
My parents were not hateful and taught us not to hate on basis of religion.
In fact my father was a history student and learned that the English aristocracy despised all of us Protestant or Catholic.
They used religion to divide us because it’s easier to control smaller groups.
I think we were brothers a long time ago before either religion was begun!
Love will unite us again.!!
Not emotional sentiment I mean love like Jesus (Yeshua) had for us all!
I'm not involved or brought up in this happily and I have a British and Irish passport so really I'm just interested
Any decent Irish person would rather live peacefully in an united Ireland, you're right about that.
Just never forget that both paramilitaries during the Troubles engaged in extortion and racketeering in their own communities.
@nousernamenow May have been wrong? May?
Yes it was called protection money...
The ira didn't need to.. They got millions and weapons from America and libya
They had to fund the "war effort"
never forget !
I'm foreigner currently living in Norther Ireland. what's the craic? I have never fell safer than here..
Wojciech Bak
Where did u live before? Baghdad?
your right a lot safer than most countries. wouldn't live any where else.
It is a safe country, just not if you are inclined to get involved in crime and communism
The Adoring Fan I've lived in Poland.
The Adoring Fan maybe in londonstan, or birmihababad,or manchesakbar
I suspect its more "for drugs and Ulster" than "for God and Ulster" with some of these gangs.
I'm getting "nobody traffics drugs round here but us" vibes. They are like the Sicilian Mafia in so many ways, including their historical roots in armed resistance groups according to some Sicilian Mafia theories, that I wouldn't be surprised if that were one of them.
aye the IRA do drugs mate
O stranger from England, why stand so aghast?
May the Lord in His mercy be kind to Belfast.
The Lord sure did, surprised the UK never did a US on you lot and bombed NI and IE to bits.
@@angina50 Well we would have, you see, but such things were so terribly out of fashion by the 1970s. It would have been terribly gauche to just carpet-bomb them. *sips tea*
'leave the door open for someone else to come in and torture everyone' someone else, as opposed to them? perfect sense...
RyanHannaMusic i agree betr th devil u no than th devil u Dnt
i think he's trying to forward the idea that atleast we know what kind of evil they are, which makes them more predictable and makes us able to react accordingly
"Ireland unfree shall never be at peace" it was said a long time ago and remains just as true today.
No occupation, No paramilitaries. Simple.
And you think Northern Ireland being taken out of the UK will achieve that it will just bring the atrocities of the past back there’s too much bad blood and many in Northern Ireland don’t want to
@@snowtfl5617 exactly, 70% want to stay, 10% don't mind and the rest want to join, ni joining Ireland would simply just turn they tables and make the pro British/loyalists form more paramilitaries. It wouldn't solve the issue it would only make things worse
A united ireland will have far more violence ensue than a seperate NI
@@snowtfl5617 in a united Ireland loyalists won't have the British army backing them... It will only end 1 way...
@@ciaranbrown1983 every stronger power always thinks it will win but has come to understand home grown insurgencies can’t be stamped out Toby anything less then brutal oppression us tried it with Vietnam the British tried it with Ireland the Russians tried it with Afghanistan and so did nato all failed and all being much stronger forces then Ireland what your saying is wishful thinking and a very shallow view of war and insurgencies
Protestant born and bred but never drilled into me! I have two kids now aged 8 and 9 and it saddens me to still see that this is going on. I grew up with it and in this day and age I hope for my kids sake that maybe one day this will stop!
I'm the same was born this side it's never been a huge issue as long as people can live happily then I'm happy IV kids exactly the same age an both couldn't tell you what a Catholic or prodestant is for the sake of growing out of the hate I'm gonna keep it that way
Steven mercer, WELL SAID
Elliot and Mercer are Borderer names.
God bless you. You are a good father. This mindless idiotic hatred must stop. And hopefully it will start with people like you. Best wishes to you and your children.
Personally I would not let my kids grow up in a situation like northern ireland I would move them out of it it's sad the people's children witness all this voilance it damages the children
You didn’t really show the catholic side off it
Exactly they are purtraying that only prods are bad!
They never usually do vice didn't even show much of the Catholic side either
@@FXRESTZ vice is utter garbage and shoukd be avoided.
good - what has the church got to do with Ireland - this piece is one of many in the long line of media pieces that shows the dunter heads up for what they are - imbeciles
They never do
I think the most iportant moment of this video came at 8:19 - "to keep the community right" - a type of a thought police which makes sure you follow their line.
Edjits 🤣
@Terry Martin they cause so much more terror than any drug problem, I would never want my relatives and friends in London have their drug problem substituted for the violence that we see here.
@Terry Martin and you do? I’ve lived in both communities and I can tell you without a doubt which is better, these so called communities protectors will shoot someone over cannabis but drink and smoke non stop. They do not have the eduction or authority to go round shooting people they disagree with, things are changing, they no longer have the community backing they once did.
@Terry Martin except I have. I spent most my teenage years in Hackney and Walthamstow. My aunts was robbed at knife point in her own home by an addict in the early 2000s but I’m still gonna say it’s not as bad as Ireland.
A place where thugs torture kids, shoot people over a bit of pot and terrorise the community relentlessly. The funny part is from what I’ve seen it doesn’t even work, heroin was still common. Needles everywhere and homeless people addicted to drugs.
The people people you are defending have kidnapped literal kids over cannabis. They don’t protect us, never have. There’s a select few who do, the rest don’t care about helping anyone
Lads you know why they don't want drug dealers coming into these places? It's simple they don't want anyone taking business off them.
The hatred is just bread from older dinosaurs. In two generations this will be gone hopefully. Ireland is a beautiful country.
Luke Hill Ireland is. But Northern Ireland is not Ireland anymore. It’s just a colony of English.
@@Vincenzo19901218 this is Northern Ireland not the Republic of Ireland
@@Blank-km4qr there’s only 1 ireland.
@@darnellbiggumsthe9th658 That why there's two then, aye ?
It’s not 1 country
What a dreadfully naive report.
I am not sure if it is a case of being naive or as it is with most reporters who intentionally Provoke conflict where they can to get a story. The Reporter probably lives in the relative safety beyond the boarders of Northern Ireland and has no idea of the "Real Threat" lurking around the corner for those who do live there, rather they are Catholic or Protestant.
That's the British everywhere tho. On somebody's land, telling them what to do and calling them terrorists for fighting back.
Kekistani nationalist I don't even know what your saying.
I am British.
What so you meaaaaan?
XELA GAMING which bomb attacks?
Straight white British protestant hundreds of years of slavery and also the British using terrorism aswell but all we hear about is how bad the IRA were
1,000,000 died during the famine alone thanks to the brits
XELA GAMING come on that's a single bomb The British are doing continual drone strikes they've murdered hundreds of millions literally hundreds of millions over the years it's mad.
A British person crying about another country is as deluded as Americans thinking they are spreading peace and democracy in the world.
*Derry* not londonderry
It’s called Londonderry🇬🇧
It's Called Derry City lol
The county is called Derry
Its Derry ya goat. Even saying Londonderry sounds ridiculous but then again, thats expected from imbreeding
There is no London in Ireland, never was, never will be.
It was and always will be LONDONderry!
Nice to see channel 4s bi-decade report on N.Ireland. see you in 5 years lads!
No grooming gangs in NI
aye, just shows the difference
Really go look up kincora children's home ...
Kekistani nationalist that's a joke .. Sure They were the Big hard men visiting Kincora kiddies home and molesting little boys and peddling them out... Go away with yourself man... even the big man DUP Ian covered for his peado Pals while in power.... The Catholic Church no better,.... Who cares about IRA or UVF.....they are like the two little tribes fighting while...... . The real concern for a Christian white future should be Islam....
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Wow, communist and a migrant? You managed to fit 2 buzzwords in one sentence well done
That loyalist going, "(here) forever, forever, forever", is drunk.
Jemima Craig aye but he nos wat hes tlkn bout
He’s a nob doesn’t even no what day it is ffs
An absolutely astounding level of ignorance from this supposed journalist.
So explain what points he was ignorant about?
It's British mainstream media, what do you expect ?
@@jesuschrist1275 Hardly. I'm from the UK and have been to NI and it is a dive. They praise these murders, drug dealers, terrorists. It's pathetic.
@@samedz3966 @jimmy bluebos I'm also from the UK. Its as much a dive as anywhere else in the UK. We have an entire establishment that promotes militarism and patriotism, while our foreign policy kills poor people and destabilises countries across the world.
We praise terrible and horrific things here aswell.
@@jesuschrist1275 the difference is that you typically don't see poor people killed by paramilitaries and even your own state security forces in your own country, unlike what happened in Northern Ireland.
Every one stop fighting! Yes I’m prod but so what! We’re all the same inside and we need to help each other!
Finally a comment that makes sense what a breath of fresh air😂
Intergated schools is the answer
I'm Catholic and we need to get along
what yous need to do is get a protestant football team and a catholic football team and whens yous play twice a year get an organised fight between ye and just watch out if you make it too violent then the polis will block ye from each other
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I'm Protestant and most of us get along.on both sides. We are surpose to be Christians hate is not Christian or not surpose to be. Its the rat bags on both sides. Yes we need more integrated school it has to start at a young age. And not brain washed from home. I saying that a lot or countries have problems when there are different communities or different reglions. Indian and Pakistan for one. Humans just can't seem to stop resorting to violence. because someone is different from them. Give me animals any day.
I would just like to say that Belfast and its issues are by no means representative of everywhere else in Northern Ireland.
no they do, especially surrounding towns of Belfast like Newtownards, dunonald and even derry
LONDONDERRY: The only word in the world with 6 silent letters 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪
James McVeigh in fairness, Dublinlondon
Why did you put the Irish flag up londonderry is British🇬🇧
Londonderry new hampshire lol
Six silent letters, wanker
Idiot
Those protestants up to no good as usual...
Michael O you're right there Ted
Careful, now.
Down with that sort of thing
That would be an ecuminical matter.
Ben Grimm WE ARE QUOTING FATHER TED!!@?!!!@!?!??!?!
and yes we need to stop the invaders and protect our whamen and cultures. Islam is a death cult.
Hes off his scone that bloke in the blue
Proper lik
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Knee-capping teenagers - yeah, that’s revolutionary. Not. No government in Stormont. No representatiion in Westminster, even though ministers are pulling down salaries. The dysfunction in N. Ireland is both sad and well-fed by those who benefit from it.
I feel lucky because I live in Derry, I'm a Catholic living in a predominantly protestant area and I feel in no dnager at all. All the violence that happens in our city or in Belfast is either kept away from us by the news or I miss it when it's on the news.
I have no problem with the orange men marching right outside my doorstep on the 12th as long as they don't insue violence.
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I’m Protestant I don’t hate Irish I just want Northern Ireland peace and to be able to walk me personally I hate America mo
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Commendations to you for your position. As time goes on we can all hope for the same of everyone else. Live and let live.
It’s Londonderry
"You work for channel 4" 🤣
_Channel 4 is a British public broadcast service_
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How blocked was he lol hands wavin everywhere
I lost interest when I heard LondonDerry
Aye same it's derry
Upa derry
Yes I know what you mean it's quite the shithole
Me too. That pissed me off
Padraig Quinn Well Londonderry is correct
I thought someone that fights for their own country was a freedom fighter and not a terrorist
there is a "Thin Line" between the two and it is knowing the difference between legitimate combatants and non-combatants. A gun is a discriminate weapon whereas a Bomb is a Non-Discriminant weapon. Understandably bombs are used in warfare to target Command and Control Targets as well as Production facilities supporting one side or the other. Often civilians are caught up in the effects of those bombs, those casualties are considered to be collateral damage and were not the "targets" of the attack. Whereas the Terrorist deliberately targets the civilian population intentionally. I guess what I am trying to point out is that a Soldier is a Legitimate Target as well as the Police. Historical and accepted Laws of War is the point.
Its subjective to how each individual, I guess.
@@randalmbundy ira bombs was targeting military and the economics of Britain..
God bless the Island of Ireland and be with us in the days to come. Ireland for the Irish.
Are you worried about earthquakes or something?
@@bobloblaw3191 your comments reflect your ignorance as to the terms of the Good Friday Agreement otherwise called the Peace Agreement. With Brexit being carried out on a potentially no deal basis the Peace Agreement will have been breached, this carries with it the threat of war between Irish Republican Patriots and Irish Protestant's who identify themselves as British and continue to support the occupation of Irish soil by the British. What is needed now is for all Irish people to unite for the benefit of all who wish to remain in a peaceful Island by calling for and supporting the reunification of Northern Ireland otherwise called occupied Ireland with the Republic.
Typical 'republican patriot' preemptively justifying war by pretending to advocate for peace
@@bobloblaw3191 war with Britain requires no further justification than that defined by history.
History is pretty long time ya know and can be used piecemeal to justify anything. Take the more difficult path and try not advocating for war & death
"Ireland unfree shall never be at peace"
What would you say Ireland needs to be free from
🇮🇪🇮🇪 no words more true Tiocfaidh ár lá
Yes free from the Nazi the Kaiser & the Communist .. all thanks to the Brits ...
There is no room for your Peace... you need to win the referendum ... & your words undermine that
Foolishness of Republicans like you will need to be overcome if there really is to be a united Ireland
You may as well work for the Orange Lodge ....your that much help to their cause
Belfast is such a beautiful city 🙇 shame this is still going on.
a shame really that it is.
Can't be mad about the victim wanting to finish the war you started.
Just another Englishman thinking because the Army isn't there the conflict is finished.
Skippy telling us the uvf said "Nakk it on tha hedddd" full of drink and drugs lol yeah they're supplying skippy and his mates.
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This comment section looks like a suggestion box at a mental health clinic.
jimmy2494 too true😂
JdXI gaming : Jamie does Xbox & Ios lol 👍🏻
Well you weren't seriously expecting anything else were you?
Who said it isn't? You're in here with us comrade.
Bit rich for the Brits to come over and scratch their stumps on camera as to the causes of all this.
And lets be real in our dolling out of indignation; the provisional IRA and Sinn Féin were instrumental in signing the Belfast agreement. The DUP did not want to sign it and are to this day refusing to enforce elements of that reluctant agreement (the Irish language act being the most prominent example).
Yes, the long brown skid-mark of British colonialism hasn't yet been washed from the underpants of Irish society and lo and behold they're eating a big bowl of Brexit vindaloo
'the provisional IRA and Sinn Féin were instrumental in signing the Belfast agreement.' There was only an agreement because they were murdering thousands for 35 years! They don't get a pat on the back for doing what they should have done from the start and using political power instead of fire power. You should enter the world mental gymnastics olympics after that shite.
@Nick Breen The troubles began when a peaceful civil rights march was met with police and loyalist brutality. The British ARMY was then thrown into the mix. Who forced the gun into whose hand and who should have known better being, literally, the law?
Oh Please, Northern Catholics had zero political power, they were barely political entities for Christs sake.
No gymnastics, just what happened.
I burst out laughing when you said skid-mark lol
It's 2018 not 1970, we have peace and the people of Northern Ireland choose to stay in UK. Sorry but people like you are not helping to bring *high* paid jobs, *better* schools and education. Do something useful.
erzan you're aware that we're commenting on a feature about active paramilitaries in Northern Ireland?
Peaceful on the surface, but don't scratch too hard.
I don't understand your tenuous connection between my opinions on the matter and jobs, education? Maybe you could explain?
It would certainly be useful.
"Loyalist gangs from mostly protestant areas" as apposed to those Catholic loyalist gangs from Catholic neighbourhoods
Well it's not a clear split. It's mostly protestants who are loyalist but there are catholic loyalists and vice versa. There used to be many protestant nationalists until SF stuck their nose in and did deals with the catholic church pushing protestant support away.
It isnt clear cut, alot of catholics either support NI in the UK or dont cart enough for the conflict that will ensue should it change.
@@geroutathat you're wrong. The Loyalist paramilitaries were openly killing Catholic civilians and hated Catholics. No way were the UVF and UDA anything other than 100% Protestant
@@geroutathat yeah those catholics just loved not having equal votes, no social housing,no employment, no political representation. They were just begging for it to stay that way and give the queen's hand a big ol kiss.
@@KeithRingo go and read the witness reports from the very start of the troubles. The people who started the Provo IRA in northern Ireland are all on record. They had no problem with how things were, and most had attempted to join the British army at the time of world war one. When they heard that things were kicking off in Dublin, they believed that the people on Dublin were insane. After the fact they came to believe that if they had of believed in what was happening in Dublin they could have helped more. This is what started them off on believing they could be free. At the start they had protestant backing, some of the founding members were protestant. They lost the Protestant support when sinnfeinn split Catholic areas with the Irish parliamentary party. This splitting of areas was brokered by Catholic priests. This gave the Catholic church direct input into both nationalist politics and the IRA. The protestants almost immediately dropped support for a republic. I know it sells well to say that it was "Irish" Vs "British" but it wasn't, it was "people living in Ireland Vs poor conditions that were prevalent during British rule". The thing is, the pro-treaty party just replaced the British. They are currently building new tenements in the form of shared living, they have people living in tents to do jobs, they have not improved Ireland the way people hoped and fought for. That is why they tell everyone that it was "us Vs the British" absolute nonsense propaganda so that they are not held to account for their failings.
Rotherham would have never happened there. That is all I need to know.
eberhard maus They Fiddle their own kids!
@@airhab these are loyalists not ira .ira touched kids. 100s of cases in the provos
later it came out she was been threatened and forced into prostitution, the police are fucking cowards.
You can't compare a tough lil town in the North of England to Belfast lol
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funny how folks with an irish name always wants a united ireland, but folks with names like billy and mervyn feel the opposite. poor cunts cant make their own mind up, they just spout the same shite as the rest of their ilk because that what they are told to do. im all for an independent nation where bigotry is laughed at and hardliners of each side are marginalised into non existence....united ireland, theres a fuckin line, so is no surrender,i wish they would all shut up a minute so people can see the fuckin state of the place
Sort your own country out first you dirty rat
RyanHannaMusicyou have a point it's even worse with surname people with Scottish tend to want it to stay in the uk and people with Irish want it United. Ryan I take it you want it to be united?
It’ll never stop sadly
The problem is depression and broken homes left over from the Troubles are now leaving young men without good father figures.
In searching for direction and to be a part of something they find these paramilitary groups using decades old disputes to justify their brutal crimes.
It is very wrong on both sides of North of lerland. Very sad it is still going on now.
Wdym their using old disputes to justify what they’re fighting for. I think it’s very clear. The IRA are fighting what they’ve been fighting for since 1916 as they haven’t achieved it yet. But for the UVF, what are they fighting for?? They have what the want.
I think that's appeasment.
@@mattgoulden4779 How so?
Why are the comments pretending that this doesn’t exist
I live on the falls road and we haven’t had any riots or anything like that in years
Yeoo upa falls I'm upa Road mate
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Given that the majority in Northern Ireland voted for the e.u we could respect their wish pull back and the Irish sea would become a fine secure border. Think about it, the people of Northern Ireland get their wish and stay in their e.u, we get our wish and become an independent free nation state. The question of the border between Northern Ireland and the republic no longer anything to do with us. As I've said the Irish sea would be a fine easy to secure border........ Everyone getting their wish win win.
It's called the backstop agreement!
littlebighorn, there's a very simple and good reason government can't solve problems. Government is the problem.
The reason thats not being done is the DUP have blocked the tories from doing that by proping up her goverment
Freddy Boy, the D.U.P are indeed proping up the current government...... Read what i wrote, with Northern Ireland no longer anything to do with us D.U.P and all Irish matters cease to be any concern of ours.
Oliver Cromwell I have read it already but that option was on the table and what the EU recommended incase of a no deal. You cant just get rid of NI because its tricky, remember 44% of NI did vote leave (mind you thats economic suicide for the north which means more of your tax payer money goes towards proping up the benefit state) I honestly dont know how thing will turn out with 9 months to go and Britain has only now got something on paper and it certiantly wont be accepted by the EU so we'll just have to wait and see.
Imagine booking 2 weeks in this place ??? 😂😂
It's not dangerous if you're just a tourist. What would the paramilitaries get out of targeting tourists? Nothing.
its actually good craic weve good clubs here
James this video is a complete distortion of what it is like. Belfast was voted 7th city in the UK and one of the safest in Europe. Go to Birmingham, London, Liverpool, Manchester etc etc and do a similar video but ten times worse in terms of violence. Would you still visit those places? I have lived here all my life and feel very safe in my city. Come see for yourself, we were named top place to visit 2018 by Lonely planet for a reason
James Anthony. The vast majority of people,are sound. I have friends in Belfast and I have Been over,many times. The people have always been friendly and as for booking two weeks,there is loads to see and do,the city is amazing so dont judge,if you aint never been.
This is not northern Ireland or the south ...this is a very small thing made out to be huge because the English are afraid ....we are happy family people who love a good laugh these vids make our country look like a war zone and that's definitely not the case ....you may see a flag or 2 but you don't need armour on just to go to the shops ...lol
I love how a petrol bomb is casually thrown at the armored police LR and expouds and every one is like ''meh''
Welcome to ireland
@@dylanpower5362 Northern Ireland
We're used to it
I can see how that would be problem for most people, but you'll find Northern Irish people are desensitized to it now and would rather just get on with their days than give the thugs any time in the sun
guy at 8:00 said it perfectly, random guy thinks he knows it all cause he read a few articles about it an outsider will never understand the fear and pride on both sides and never will.
I personally know a person that used to live there in Northern Ireland amongst all of this civil protest, unrest, terrorism and all other violent demonstrations, but he sought refuge and escaped. He now lives in the North West of England. I work with him. Every day. All the time. He doesn’t know that I know about it, but his behaviour is more that obvious and easy to read about it.
anton He’s a catholic and his name is Mark. Not muslims. Don’t know why you said that but I sure do hope you enjoy your own silliness.
Indeed; greed, power, criminality, status, identity and control is largely what paramilitary activity is and perhaps always was all about. UKSF are probably still operating in the Province along with UK Intelligence. It's such a shame that, in a liberal democracy, we can't unleash this potent body of men to do what they do best and neutralize those that wish to bring mysery to so many in times of relative peace. I have always felt an immense amount of empathy for all those caught up in these terrible times and even agree that Republicans were treated like second class citizens has had legitimate greivences. If these morons on all 'sides' wish to bring this madness back to their communities after so much progress, then they deserve to be dealt with. This make me fucking sick to the stomach. Garry H. South Carolina, USA and RAF, 1987_2006.
People from Northern Ireland fighting each other over middle-eastern mythology. Makes sense..
Kruut Von .Trendkilla it gets even worse, Most of them don’t know what Christianity even is. They think that Catholicism and Protestantism are akin to races, or at the very least political ideologies. Needless to say a lot of people here are not very bright
Fighting over who owns 6 counties in Ireland: Irish or the Brits.
It's got nothing to do with religion. It's just that all Irish Catholics support a United Ireland and the Loyalists are all British Protestant. It's not over actual different religious beliefs
I dislike British Imperialism - HOWEVER To all the "Leave Ireland" comments :It's not as simple as Americans think it is. This is the most basic description I can give.
In the 1600s many Scottish and Northern English settlers fled England and Scotland as they were Protestant Dissenters, and many were under threat of discrimination in their communities or economic ruin in these areas. They were incentivised to settle in Northern Ireland by Anglo-Irish land owners to try and crush anti-Imperial sentiment by building a Loyalist population in NI. These people feel strongly British. The native Irish population hated British occupation and feel strongly Irish.
So the population split between those who feel strongly British and those who feel strongly Irish is near 50/50 in Northern Ireland. The truth is if the UK were to leave it would more than likely stir up sectarian hate once again. Asking Protestant Northern Irish to "Leave" is like asking Americans to leave the US and go back to Europe.
Of course they feel Irish. They are Irish.
That’s extremely accurate. It is indeed like saying to Americans that they need to go back to Europe ( with the native Irish being the “Indians”). It’s an intractable problem with no easy solution.
Oran Cassidy Yeah but the point is there is relative peace. Do you think the hardliners would just accept it if there was a reunion with the rest of Ireland? I think they'd kick off big-time.
Bare in mind most English, Welsh and Scottish people are painfully indifferent about Northern Ireland - to most of them it's a money sink, a political minefield and up until quite recently there has always been a massive majority opinion favouring Irish reunion even in England.
But Americans don't call themselves European and try and claim that America is Europe now like the Protestants do with Britain.
tubemark1 aye I love me some communism uppa Putin
this is why people hate the media, regardless of who they are they asked you not to record the funeral but you did anyway and it just proves yet again that they have no respect for anyone but themselves
The British army succeeded in making clear to the Provisional IRA that it could not achieve its objectives through violence although the army did not "win" in any recognisable sense, an internal review of the army's operations in Northern Ireland has concluded.
The review, which deals with Operation Banner - the British army's continuous operational involvement in the North since the "troubles" began in 1969 - does, however, take an apparent contradictory position on whether it defeated the IRA.
The document, which was obtained under freedom of information legislation by the Pat Finucane Centre in Derry, at one stage states that "by 1980 almost all the military structures which eventually defeated PIRA were in place", while also querying "why it then took another quarter of a century to end the campaign".
It describes Operation Banner, which should formally conclude at the end of July, as one of the army's longest campaigns and "one of the very few waged on British soil; and one of the very few ever brought to a successful conclusion by the armed forces of a developed nation against an irregular force".
Later, towards the end of the 98-page review, the three British army officers who were specially seconded to write the document, appeared to conform to the general modern analysis that one of the key reasons the "war" ended was that neither the British army/RUC nor the IRA could defeat each other.
"It should be recognised that the army did not 'win' in any recognisable way; rather it achieved its desired end-state, which allowed a political process to be established without unacceptable levels of intimidation," the officers found
An irregular force. ..?
So from the perspective of the Irish, Northern Ireland is not British soil!
@@GreatPolishWingedHussars But Northern Ireland sees it as British soil and that’s all that matters.
@@ProfileP246 Really British soil? Sinn Fein wants referendum plan as Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland for first time!
@@GreatPolishWingedHussars so? I’m one of 2 million unionists in Northern Ireland also many Catholics do not want it united.
It has nothing to do with religion anyway.
It’s to to with freedoms and quality of life and our heritage which the EU seeks to remove.
Ireland is gone and us unionists do not want to see Northern Ireland go the same way No surrender 👍🇬🇧
Crikey, this all seems very complicated!
The guy who was shot in the x-ray pictures was let off lighter than it could have been by who did it. Notice they spared him taking the bullets through the caps of his knees into the joint. They aimed above. Still horrible though.
its punishment for drug dealers - there's a reason the age of the lads coming in with gunshot wounds is 14 - 24
2018 and still fighting, hold a globe look at northern Ireland then look at the stars.... Then answer if fighting is still worth it.
Learn some Irish history and then you’ll realize it’s worth the fight
And so Northern Ireland people, they are proud to be Irish and British .
If we're living in democracy country we must accept that with respectfully. You are unable to dictate people that will create conflict.
Petition does not walk
7:54 is that the bloke that plays May Mc Fettridge ?
“The Chumunitti” 😂
I am originally came from Thailand but also I am British citizens I have no problem with being Thai and being British. I accepted , admired and respected both cultural heritage
I am proud to be Thai and British.
@BemusedBarfly good for you. Be proud of who you are.
@BemusedBarfly we are civilised and democratic. We're in 21st century .
@BemusedBarfly speak for yourself
Derry....it’s Derry
Both disgusting, both well past their time. Ireland still bleeds because of these people. _Sickening._
Unemployed who still grasp on to their daddy's coattails. Unemployment and deprivation are what stoke these fires, not discrimination and inequality. All of these problems and more, spurred on by the powers that be (Sinn Fein, DUP).
I am a united Irelander. I am Irish, as is anyone born within the island of Ireland. To achieve an Ireland united, we must be inclusive. We must prove to the "other" that an Ireland in which they are a part is one that"they" can prosper from. And I know they can.
The troubles of the past were caused by inequality, discrimination and sectarianism. In a united Ireland, these ideas are impossible to uphold. We are a united people. We are one. Let us fight the rest of the world, not each other.
To whomever this concerns, think before you speak. Do not speak for yourself, speak for your country, *_with whom you appear to represent._*
subsequently from this program. Red hand commando Jim Wilson had his front teeth knocked out by fellow loyalists in the welders club.
You would have thought the growing Muslim problem in Ireland would be on the Paramilitaries mind not petty fueds from 30 years ago ?
Yes the scum are trying to take over everywhere it's happening, got to be stopped somehow, but there's too many of them getting high in power lots of our city's have scumlin mayor's now and there trying to impose there laws and obviously the grooming gangs, them bstds want there knees doing.
Petty fueds? I don't think they saw it that way in 1916
This goes back to the 17th century
@@caomh6168 Absolutely mate. Ireland are the only country to have ever took on the might of the british empire and won... well almost won, we still have the north to deal with but as we say, Tiocfaidh ár lá ;-)
^^ actually America kicked the brits 100% out, unlike Ireland
Actually there is now an Irish majority in Northern Ireland the question then is why is there no referendum for reunification with Ireland?
Because that would start the troubles again lol
@@D88111 Why should a democratic referendum be troubles?
@@GreatPolishWingedHussars No not troubles, thee troubles ie the conflict that lasted 25 years lol
the Republic is scared of absorbing the Ulstermen..
WHEN was this.??..
Loyalists cant even throw grenades right
punkman115 michael stone threw them proper lol
Always remember: it's never terrorism when fighting against a oppressive force/government
i mean the IRA killed children so in my book. Yeah, they're fucking terrorists alright
Correct.
@@farlow1798 so what are your thoughts on the british army and loyalist terrorist groups?
@@reginaldthefirst British army (Now) are good people, however their actions during the troubles disgust me. The Loyalist paras are scum too
Both the British and Republics govt are democratic ... so you have other means ...
No one has fought an oppressive government on the island of Ireland since 1922 ...
The state of that doctor smh
He’s got a tough job he probably doesn’t care what he looks like
Well at least it ain't cordless drills anymore lol
Did he just call it L*ndonderry?!?
It's Derry and will always be Derry
Tiocfaidh ár lá 🇮🇪
@@user-oc7pb3ph7z 18 brits were blown to bits down by the narrow waters
@Candy1690RFC Scottish team of irish beginnings.. here we go 10 in a row.
Candy1690RFC 1-0 5-0 5-1 5-1
Yeoo
RobbieCFC1888 W a notorious team for touching kids..u must be proud
What a fucked up place, still shocks me this is in the UK and not the Middle East. Unbelievable
Why does the BBC, Channel 4 etc not just go somewhere else and report there instead of stirring on their own doorsteps
If they are going to report then allow people affected to speak and represent their communities rather than riding roughshod in and making accusations. They guy in the blue shirt was honestly trying to convey the other side of the coin and the reporter arrogantly didn't want to know. I'm surprised they even tolerated him as he was frankly offensive to them, their history and culture.
He was two sheets to the moon🌛
90% of the video was about the Prot side, what you goin on about?
They need to grow up .. he asked the same question of the INLA ...
Believe me ... the time of BOTH paramilitary's is nearly up
The ira is no more it's the people who can't move on from the past as long as Ireland doesn't have a border everything will be fine...hope ni finds peace and people start acting human
I came here because the thumbnail suggested there'd be violence. Very dissatisfied.
@7:14 as well. "...will be remembered and celebrated perpetually on the ___?____ road? and throughout this land..."
How about this: a United Ireland under British rule? Surely that makes everyone happy?
moron
That might happen if these attacks continue. Remember chechnya?
Derry....BBC..it's Derry.
NOLAPA perhaps in fairness, it is Dublinlondon
It's Derry mate
Question. If they had the RICO act in the UK could they use it to arrest the leadership or the IRA or the UVF?
Then the troubles would start again so they would never do that lol
Respect to you sir ! yes that it ...
Up the INLA! Liberation of all people!
GO HOME
Rite m8 getting something rite here it’s Derry and if u say Londonderry London is silent
Didn’t know Pete Townsend lived in NI. Pete was pretty pissed at the “reporter”😂
Uda just forced a catholic woman out of her house today
Gg Ff and multiple Catholics have been touched up by the church?!?
Wrong , The uda or who ever you think done it put a irish Republican out there home for doing meth
Bongo so y does it say all taigs out on the house they put her out of?
Gg Ff because she was do drugs look it up
Gg Ff how do u know it was the uda
Freederry
Belfast gives me anxiety every time i go up
Any wonder it’s a shithole ffs😂 there will never ever be real peace here
Brits still dictating how the people of the north should live.
I really wish the average British person would spend a little time learning about their depraved history in Ireland. Perhaps then they'd have even the most rudimentary grasp on the north of Ireland and why the Troubles even happened. I know it won't happen though as the average Brit doesn't care about their depraved history. If they did, they would realise that the Nazis look like amateurs in comparison the British Empire machine that slaughtered countless millions in their skin-crawling need to accumulate as much of Earth's wealth as they possibly could. A more deeply creepy history I cannot think of. And that's because there is none.
You only critique when its us you're critiquing and you blisfully ignore anything else
@Mike M true....the British government tried to get food to Ireland during the famine. Don't hear about that side from the republican community as it doesn't fit their narrative
The British schools teach it extensively,( LOOK IT UP before you spout nonsense on the internet )
But there were hundreds of empires including the Irish invasion of Scotland .. that have its name .. & Wales
Bristol was founded as a slave market to sell English people to Ireland. Irish schools have only just started to teach this
Britains law of freedom of speech and equality before the law meant it was more successful than the other empires, as the natives often preferred them to their own rules ....hence less rebellion & a bigger empire
...But Britain is also the only reason Ireland is free ... WW 1 & 2 & the Cold War ..& Irish people of British decent make a vastly larger proportion of Irish Freedom fighters ... Parnell , Casement, Wolf Tone
Learn you history
any serious outbreak of trouble and the Tories will cut Northern Ireland loose , that is exactly how trustworthy they are
bneon that's what the people want
then they will lose their majority in Govt.
Why would they want that?
jay onenote northern Ireland doesn't currently have a government there is no one running the country, where fucked over here 😅
Gordon Seales proud to be a PROD
our day will come
Londonderry? I think you mean Derry.
Matthew Grothe Ahh the cringe over people getting butthurt over the name of a city ~
Grow up and let people call it whatever they fucking want. It’s officially still Londonderry so people are well within their right to call it that and respect the people who founded the city as it’s known today.
So we should still call St. Petersburg Leningrad?
Matthew Grothe What’s that got to do with it? Totally different situation. You can if you want and I’m sure many do given that the region is still called Leningrad Oblast.
@@foreverfaithful2014 Call it whatever you want, it's still British though
People without a good job, home and education trying to ruin the lives of others. Absolutely pathetic. Let Northern Ireland move on! 🇬🇧♥️🇮🇪
erzan im from the Republic and u agree with you!✊🏻🇮🇪👐🇬🇧
Sure we have an even bigger threat and that is the muslim immigration/invasion. We need to keep our countries the way we want them!!
The only way we can truly move on is if we get the north back, a separated Ireland is a damaged Ireland
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This is a nosy neighbours wet dream hahahah
Derry