Northern Ireland - a legacy of division | FT Film
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- Almost 25 years since the end of the Troubles, in Northern Ireland physical and social barriers still shape society, business and the economy. The FT's Ireland correspondent Jude Webber meets people trying to overcome them and to build a shared new future. Read more at on.ft.com/3vRxYM0
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26 year old from NI, now living in Germany. Of course it is where my friends and family live, but in terms of jobs in my field & the standard of living, there are very few things to tempt me back. It's sad because there is so much potential, but it is let down by its politicians and the entrenched division
@Bif Stiff same here, moved down to SW Germany in the early 10s. Haven't looked back..
Grammar Schools are the Jewel In The Crown of Northern Ireland.
Grammar Schools must be reinstated in England.
The Tower of London can be reinstated as a prison at any time.
Politicians must remember this fact.
Politicians locked in the Tower of London, locked in a dungeon chained to the walls.
Standard of living?! You live in Germany. In no way could Germany compare to Ireland in any way. The beauty of this island is beyond measure and German people come here to see it in droves. Our friendliness and warmness is legendary, Germany is the complete opposite!
I think you've got skewed views of your own country that you haven't formed by yourself. I've been to over 50 countries and I can wholeheartedly say nowhere compares to Ireland and Northern Ireland is its crown!
Ever think of coming back and maybe trying to make it a home rather than sitting miles away being judgemental?
Do u not miss your family and friends tho?
@@GingerJesusSaves German people are friendly too tho I must say....
Was taken away from Belfast in 1981 as a 11 year old by my parents who had the opportunity to move out of Ireland, That feeling of missing the place and the people is still with me to the current day.
Well that's probably just cause you dint know them, people are just awful everywhere, but the grass is always greener
Why?
@@brianoshea1178DC was only eleven. He did not look at the history or sectarianism of Northern Ireland the way adults do.
That's poxy I'd say you really must miss home you say u were 11yearse old ibut home is you are the Emerald Isle will always be here to welcome you back home
The Troubles were still happening in Northern Ireland in 1981, domaybe you were fortunate to be removed from them.
As a student in Northern Ireland. I never faced any racism and hate from the Irish. Exipereince was mixed with the otherside. The worse were the Polish. The most racist bunch I have met in my life! (forgave them), I live in the U.S now and will be visiting Belfast and Portrush next year.
Miss NI
But the poles are foreigners there as well
Northern Ireland is on the up! I moved away as a student for 4 years and found my best opportunities when I moved back! It’s not perfect here but show me somewhere that is. I’m getting a bit sick of the “Northern Ireland is divided and has poor standards” chat. Young people hear that from the moment school starts and believe it, then the default becomes move away. I can really see the huge effort towards positive change and we constantly punch above our weight. We are capable of making our own opportunities you know!
Until you acknowledge a problem you can never fix it.
@@helenaville5939 But if you keep mentioning the problem repeatedly, it will be permanent in the mind of everyone (including the new generation).
@@helenaville5939Agreed! But that acknowledgment of a problem needs to be followed by proactive steps to fix them, not just “move somewhere else there’s nothing for you here”
@@geruslu reality is reality until you acknowledge you are an addict you cannot take the first step. This is an analogy NO GOOD saying NI is fine when the truth is, its critically sick to the core. Have u ever been here ?
@@josephharley9448 don’t think he said NI is fine? He’s making the point that you need to move the focus away from the problem and use that energy to find a solution. You’re saying the same thing.
Very interesting documentary. Kudos to the producers, researchers and presenters.
Prayers for the peace of the good people of Northern Ireland.
As an immigrant in NI, I have found that people are lovely and there are plenty of opportunities for things to change. Young people care about partying, jobs, education, not really religion. I think that is a good thing. Integrated education could help NI keep moving forward.
josue oriega Its not really about religion its about a line on the map.
@@gallowglass2630 that may be the case but the 6 counties must unite as a society first.
@@Alex-gn2rb Yes ultimately they have to come to an accomodation that they are all happy with whatever it is,but realistically it can only happen and is happening because of demographics and intermarriage to a lesser extent.
People do not want integrated education where I go to school, the principal is strongly against
yes, it's lovely. This film even has eerie music to make it sound ominous. lol
Excellent film showing how far Northern Ireland has travelled and how far we still need to go. Surely more Integrated schools is one the main ways to move forward?
But sure themmuns are all thick, and we don't want that rubbing off on unnuns.
Irish people say NO TO the unelected British bureaucracy
State schools are integrated. There are no protestant schools just aphreid selected ones by rc. The new version of integrated is not way to go but principle is correct. The way to go is from Sept gov announced no more church controlled schools and pupil and teacher are vetted for integration in true form. State school or grammar or private.. No triple funds forcing state to bottom of funding pile
There are only a few integration of schools in the north but more are needed...... brilliant forward future will come from it
I was born in Belfast on the falls Rd and lived there until 21. I grew up threw the last 15 years of the troubles and lived in West Belfast for 6 years after the peace process. I'm now living in Dublin 17 years and go home to Belfast at least 8 times a year I love getting home to see the people I grew up with and catch up but after a few days I need to get out because it feels like there's no growth there all my friends that our near 40 and still doing the same thing they were at 15. Belfast feels like it hasn't changed to me and it breaks my heart it has the best people in the world but no opportunities for them. Still the best Wee country in the world .
Belfast has been booming for the last 10years. If your not working nowadays it’s because you don’t want to work . Dublin however is going to dip into a unrecoverable recession within the next 12months.
@@jimmyburkeirishgoodfella5720 How so?
@@jgg59 just watch and see then come back to this comment in 12months from now
@@jimmyburkeirishgoodfella5720 That is not an answer that sounds more like wishful thinking.
@@jgg59 why wishful thinking ??? It’s my country I hope it doesn’t tbh . Just looks like a dire situation
I'm a filipino, my son is born in ulster Hospital. Spent 3 years of my life. Always close to my heart. I miss Northern Ireland my second home. Lovely people.
Very good film. It is important to overcome these division, the conflicts will seem silly to future generations.
Not at all, the British can’t just steal land as they’ve always done. They did exactly what Russia is doing to the Ukraine right now…
silly ? 100 years of murder and oppression is not silly
If that were true, conflicts would cease to arise.
you know what is silly? Benji Wallace and his "rapping".
Long live the peace process 🙏
.... Until the sheckels stop flowing from London. Then it's back to business as usual.
Born in Belfast, lived in the heart of the troubles, left for work in many countries, now back in NI sure in the knowledge it's the best country on the planet.
lmao
hahaha yeah the weather is lovely
@@leonardordel92 Surprisingly the weather is one of the things you miss. I lived in southern California for a while, at first it was great, no rain, lawns watered by automatic sprinklers, 72 degrees all year round, beach and sea so inviting (but water is even colder than here). In a while the novelty wears off and you begin to dream of some proper weather like we have here giving us such lush green profusion. Keep sunshine for the hols, it more fun like that.
@@asanulsterman1025 yeah you’re too biased my friend. The weather is grim.
@@leonardordel92 Grim is good... bland is bad.
The UK government treats Northern Ireland with absolute contempt and the British media and establishment act like it doesn’t even exist- why are people so fiercely loyal to a country that treats them as a burden? They love the UK but the sad part is the UK absolutely does NOT love them back.
Because they identify as British rather than Irish, they are descendants of Scottish and Northern English planters. They have very little affinity with the Irish. And rightly so, the Irish don’t have patriarchal conservative accommodating attitudes like the British. They are about 400 years behind the British when it comes to administration of the people’s. The love would never be shown, and quickly turn to REAL contempt rather than your version of contempt.
Because it's a fundamental aspect of the unionist conscience. Most unionists in Northern Ireland today are descended from Scottish protestants brought to Ulster in the 1600s in an attempt to increase control over the territory by planting people loyal to the British crown. Obviously this created huge tension between the settled protestants and the Catholics already living there, and there were a whole series of rebellions and atrocities committed by each side to the other. Events like the Siege of Derry play an important part in a fundamental theme of unionism, which is that naturally, as a settler community, they are on the defensive, and live(d) in fear of being subjugated by the Irish. Another key aspect of unionism in northern Ireland though is an un-ending uneasiness as to the motives of the British state. Again, as a settler community, unionists feel very close to Britain, but are also scared of being cut off. A few centuries ago especially, many feared being cut off would let to terrible repercussions should they end up under the rule of the Irish. This fear of being cut off leads to mistrust of the British state and it's intentions as unionists are scared of being abandoned. When Irish independence was being floated in the 19th and early 20th century, unionists saw this as clear intention of the British government to sell them down the water. By this time as well, Ulster, especially the north east, where most of the protestants are, had become much closer to Britain in a cultural and industrial sense, playing an important role in the UK such as with heavy industry like shipbuilding. Unionists were vehemently opposed to being ruled from Dublin, and basically threatened civil war. The British government eventually caved in, which is why partition happened.
Crucially though, whilst the unionists got their way and stayed in the UK, they were now more worried than ever that the UK could abandon them, so between the 1920s and the 1960s unionist politicians and the elite worked as hard as they could to alienate Catholics from the state, such as gerrymandering electoral boundaries so that unionists would control councils, which meant they could also control housing allocation and give more houses to protestants than Catholics. They also excluded Catholics from most aspects of government and major industries were dominated by protestants. Unionists did this to buttress the new northern Irish state, and to consolidate unionist power, but ironically, and because the UK government did little to intervene, this consolidation of power is what left the unionists with none by the 1970s as direct rule was brought in because of the widespread violence of the start of the troubles.
Even today there is still mistrust of British motives, because people still feel that fear of being cut off from the country where their roots and allegiance lie. This is why issues over brexit have ignited tension again because people are afraid that with every small step they will be broken away from the UK.
Nonetheless it's important to mention that most of the violence of today and at the height of the troubles was perpetrated by extremists from both communities. The normal people of northern Ireland whilst still having their allegiances have no wish for violence.
@@EMPRSE44 The Republic of Ireland is 400 years behind Britain? What? Are you ok?
@@EMPRSE44 WRONG. Edward Carson considered himself irish so i have no idea what you are on about
Because of the bottom feeders feeding of the establishment. Its a monopoly now. Look into how much funding each year there is for cross community work and how successful it is and where and who's pockets the funding lines
i'm from nyc and visited dublin on vacation, met a girl there and started dating her cross pond. on one of my trips there we took a weekend trip up to belfast. part of the weekend was a black taxi tour, which was incredibly interesting for an outsider. the dude driving the taxi handed us a photo album with pictures from the troubles and about 3/4 of the way through was a picture of him and another man holding automatic weapons. i think we got the 'special tour' with him thinking he could say whatever he wanted and we'd agree because i'm american and she was from the south. he didn't tell us he would be in any of the pics, waited for us to notice and then looked proud as punch when we asked if it was him. dude had a wild look in his eyes like i'd never seen. definitely killed people before.
All taxi driver tour guides are former ex prisoners
Did you get a Loyalist or Republican?
@@sevans606 the latter
Keep the wall up.
Loved the bit with the school principal Jim.....he should have is own show. What a character!!!
Where did he get that shirt?
I left Shankill Road 71 years ago. In those days, parents were unhappy if you wanted to marry someone of the opposite religion. Now, they are overjoyed if you want to marry someone of the opposite sex!
Hahaha .Top comment on here 🤣
@@lfarrell6375 Cheers, me old son!
@@jacksonreilly3441 even then no peace walls....sad they only have got higher...it's the walls in people's minds have to be eradicated first
Great Report.
I'm 28 and left Ni about 5 years ago.
I hated the underlying hatred the elerely and alot of my generation still have.
I can't see Ni progressing as much as they possibly could.
Sad to see.
I've absolutely no interest of ever heading back.
It's a shame that nutters from both sides are still obsessed with stirring up hatred. It's sad as well that most of this isn't even logical hatred, it's just stirred up by people who terrorise their neighbourhoods especially in the estates. I wish we could all just get along
The older generation are mentally sick
Where did you go
NI needs to reunite with the Republic of Ireland 🇮🇪 and send all the unionists back to England
@@Peirithous 0 iq idea.
1) the Irish government does not want Northern Ireland and to have to deal with its problems
2) most of the people want to be in the UK.
3) sending unionists to England is just about the most stupid idea on so many levels. Firstly unionists are mostly descendant from Scots, and secondly northern Ireland is the home of unionists, you can't deport people who have lived somewhere for 400 years. That's like saying every non native American should be deported.
King Billy arrived in NI 200 plus years before it even existed…. Genius prod
It’s always worth noting that the troubles morphed into a movement for a UI. But it started with a student March for equal rights. Had the NI system been even marginally equitable who knows what it may look like now
Let's imagine the British never arrived in the first place.
@@anthonymullen6300 it was the Spanish who arrived first ;)
@@ryanOGab When was that?
@@buzon1658 absolutely donkeys years ago.
They built Newgrange in the shape of an upside-down giant Paella 🥘 dish to leave a permanent mark of their presence and culinary excellence to all who followed afterwards.
@@ryanOGab ?
Genuine question here.
What if you move to NI job wise and are placed into either a Protestant or Catholic neighbourhood because of your surname and as it turns out that you are neither Catholic nor Protestant?
They will always come to a conclusion
I have to admit I’m always leery when a UK News corporation reports on Northern Ireland. I think you have done an evenhanded account of Northern Ireland.
Likely due to talking to normal people & not politicians
Give peace a chance☘️☘️☘️
When talking about modern Ireland one thing that needs to be mentioned was how a Protestant Irish Parliament successfully gained independence for Ireland between 1782 and 1800, during which time Catholics got most of their rights back, with most Irish people of different faiths uniting under the ideologies of either constitutionalism or Republicanism, with both in favour of varying degrees of Irish sovereignty/autonomy and increased personal rights.
This independence ended when a failed Republican Revolution in 1798 led British prime minister William Pitt to intimidate and bribe the Irish Parliament into merging the Kingdom Ireland into the UK after an initial Union vote failed. Ireland’s Parliament was forced to merge with The British one (though the courts and civil service of Ireland remained separate, but nominally subject to Westminster from now on).
People on both sides seem to have completely forgotten this chapter in Irish history, because Protestants and Catholics fighting together for an independent Irish Kingdom doesn’t fit anyone’s narrative, and yet it had a major impact on the island. Unionism, Republicanism and Constitutionalism all originate from the original Irish volunteers that used the opportunity of the American Revolution distracting Britain to revolt in 1782. This heralded the independence and has shaped all aspects of Irish politics, ever since.
I went to an integrated school in 1973 at Methodist College Belfast - as a Catholic I was in a minority of 8 kids in a school of 1000 pupils. However more and Catholics attended over the years. So there was integrated schooling - way before 1981…
That's a very generous description of "integrated"...
Methody isn’t an integrated school
Come 1910 and Belfast led the world in ship buiding, linen manufacture, rope works, aerated water, tea manufacturing machinery, tea manufacture and distribution to name a few.
I don't understand why they choose to be British if they're getting shafted so bad🤷
I really enjoyed this video, along with an Oregon made beer. 💚
Beaverton?
It might be best to think of Northern Ireland(NI) as a society which is the traumatised result of an incompetent and incomplete attempt at genocide/ethnic cleansing.
The Flight of the Earls in 1607 after the defeat of the native Irish Gaelic aristocracy and society, was succeeded by the Plantation of Ulster which officially began in 1609.
The Plantation was supposed to displace the entirety of the local Gaelic population, but it never managed to attract sufficient settlers to do that, and the locals had to be grudgingly allowed to stay to provide a labour force.
It was neither successful, nor complete.
It was fascinating to see that the main worry in the Protestant/Unionist/Loyalist(PUL) community, in a survey carried out for the Irish Seanad, was the sort of land expropriation which characterised the arrival of this community to the island of Ireland. Their biggest fear is being treated in the same way that their ancestors treated the native inhabitants. Projection much?
The formation of the 'Kingdom of Northern Ireland' in 1921 saw the UK incorporate an avowedly sectarian state, with Protestant/Unionist domination upheld by a militarised police force and a starkly sectarian militia - 'the B-Specials'.
In economic terms, NI was a failure from the end of the Second World War onwards.
It is an impoverished part of the UK, the second poorest on average. Employment is heavily biased towards the state sector, while productivity is abysmal. NI's productivity is actually worse than the UK's average, and that is very poor in international terms.
The NI Protocol(NIP) offers NI a chance to seriously turbocharge its almost moribund economy, and attract significant Foreign Direct Investment(FDI).
Sadly, the DUP seems bound and determined to smash that.
The PUL community has been very badly served by its politicians, who have no vision apart from hanging onto the skirts of Brittania and pretending that they are British. This is especially true of the generation which succeeded 'Big Ian' Paisley.
The situation has not been helped by the tendency for Unionist leaders who show the smallest signs of being open to equality and change being defenestrated as soon as there is any possibility of equality and/or change actually happening.
The ongoing refusal of the DUP to fulfil their constitutional and legal duties to legislate for the provision of abortion facilities is the most recent example.
Partition, in the long term, has been an economic disaster for NI.
In 1921, Belfast had twice the population of Dublin, and the vast majority of industry was concentrated in NI. NI was both rich and innovative. Ireland, or the Irish Free State, was an agrarian economy, with only industries in the food processing sector. So we had butter, bacon, biscuits and beer, and very limited capital.
Today, Ireland's economy is approximately TEN TIMES the size of NI's, while Dublin has at least twice Belfast's population. The Irish per capita GDP, or indeed per capita GDP on a PPP basis, is vastly higher than that of NI.
Ireland has an economy worth at least USD half a TRILLION. The state tax-take last year was in excess of €64 Billion.
While NI depends on an annual subsidy from the UK taxpayers to the tune of at least Stg10 Billions.
An excelent post thankyou gloin10
I hope things get better there. 7 generations ago my family came from there. I live in texas USA. Someday I hope to go there. Your land and country is special to me.
Ironically it was Ulster-Scots who caused a lot of the division today....
There will never be actual full peace here. There is relative peace now but there are still shootings, attempted bombings etc. and the hatred is alive on both sides. I think we will go from cycles out relative peace to all out war. Rinse and repeat.
Integration, equal rights and respect is the way forward.
I'm in 40s and remember troubles well ,, the peace walls come down its square 1 again
very good
As a catholic, I don’t want any of the murals changed. No-matter how hateful they are.
I want them to stay just the way they are.
I want people to remember.
Edit: But to add. I am all for created new murals on new walls. Those that are already there should remain.
It seems like a lot of people in the comments are confused so let me explain it the way I explain it to people who are not familiar with the conflict - just imagine that the Irish are black. It's that simple. It makes the true nature of the conflict, pardon the pun, black and white. It is not about the religion. The whole Protestants vs. Catholics was a narration by the British state to paint it as some sort of a religious conflict. Some of the most prominent leaders of the Irish Rebellion of 1798 were Protestants. Protestants live in the Republic of Ireland and nobody bothers them because of their religion. Hell, 3/4 of U2 are Protestants (as my catholic friend who is a U2 fan told me after during a mass he attended the priest said something among the lines "...and our proud catholic boys from U2..." and my friend just laughed to himself because he knew that 3 of them were Protestants). There are Protestants who support unification and there are Catholics who support remaining within UK. Sure, they are a small minority, but it goes to show that the political orientation is not always aligned with religion or more importantly with the national background.
In the past religion played some marginal role in a way that Protestants accused Catholics of being loyal to the Pope and all together they looked down on them due to their devote Catholicism but this has changed by 180 degrees. The south of Ireland has become very secular very quick due to all the dirt of the Catholic church surfacing over the last two decades. I don't mean just widespread pedophilia but also church run houses for women pregnant out of wedlock whose stillborn babies were tossed into cesspool like trash. In two referendums couple of years ago Republic of Ireland voted close to 2:1 for both women's right to chose and same sex marriages. While in the Northern Ireland...oh boy...they became fundamental protestants, they have some of the harshest abortion laws in Europe, their elected leaders believe the world is 5000 or 7000 years old (I honestly don't remember that nonsense) "because that's what the bible says". They're basically turned into a backward, evangelical rednecks of the USA. 20 years ago the saying was that you knew you crossed the border going south when the roads got shitty. Guess what, that's how you now know you crossed the border going north...
I'm a Muslim and I support your fight against British imperialism and occupation of Northern Ireland. I hope Ireland is united one day. And I don't support your views on abortion and homosexuality. These two things are considered major sins and grotesque. And those who indulge in it will be punished by Allah (which means one and only God in Arabic language) both here in this world and the Hereafter.
@@maaziy_ghaziyIYI You have just prove why countries need to be secular.
"We can disagree and still love each other unless your disagreement is rooted in my oppression and denial of my humanity and right to exist." James Baldwin
Oddly enough you are part of the problem there Maaz. One does not have to be a Catholic or protestant who understand this.
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you could tell paisley was getting inspiration from the deep south in USA. When he led a gang of thugs to burn down homes it was like a lesser version of Tulsa massacre
Please tell the world; the same shite keeps being slung out the television year after year.
Hope. Jude is a lovely lady. Indeed.
the bit with the guy doing the poem/rap is good though
so how is nortrhern ireland today? is it a safer place?
There was economic info comparing NI to the UK, but I would have also liked to see a comparison between Catholic and Protestant communities in NI. Interesting the Catholic mother with the son dating a Protestant girl feels she could be welcomed into any Catholic area but her son would not be welcomed in some Protestant areas. My impression has been that the Catholics are moving on, getting better educated, going to university, etc but too many Protestants cling to their bonfires and marches and are not making the same progress. It seems like Nationalists look for a way to accommodate Unionist feelings but Unionists are more accustomed to a position of privilege and are unwilling to compromise. I think it's also interesting that NI was far more wealthy than the South at the time of segregation but now NI has about 80% of the UK's GDP per capita; while the Republic of Ireland has double the GDP per capita of the UK - and is still growing faster. According to IMF in 2022: Ireland ranks global 5th with USD 101,509 and the UK is ranked 30th with USD 49,761 GDP per capita. Sorry if I seem to be saying the Protestants seem to be more the issue and everyone would all be better off in a united Ireland... but I guess that is what I think - and furthermore, I do also think NI Protestants would be more warmly welcomed into the Republic than they are in England now.
Ireland's gdp is highly inflated due to being a tax haven.
@@0freeman Even if you adjust for effects of MNCs tax-shifting of income into ROI its still a far richer country than the UK now. Same with life expectancy -- higher than UK, far higher than NI.
@@donalbyard713 From all the sources I've read, NI and ROI are on par in terms of standard of living, similar to the level of Scotland, while both are a bit below England. Wales is poorest. Also, NI has the advantage of NHS while in ROI you still have to pay ~70 euros per visit to a GP. Healthcare is a bit worse and housing is quite a bit more expensive than NI.
I am a unionist who dated a Catholic girl. Believe me that I was never welcomed into their community and in fact was threatened quite a few times simply because I came from a Protestant background. So I wouldn't agree with your theory at all.
@@mariothestone2331 Unfortunately sectarianism on both sides tell me would Irish Roman Catholic be beaten up in Ulster Unionist area even if he where a Unionist I why he would
So sad. The entrenched divisions, waste of potential, no jobs, young people leaving, and lack of political leadership remind of the troubles between Bosnian Serbs (Orthodox), Bosnian Croats (Catholic), and Bosnian Muslims in Republika Srpska and the Federation in BiH.
8:25 mural says "culture threatens no one". Lets see them stand by that statement when it comes to someone else's culture.
It would help if the kids of both sides went to school together. As the child of a mixed marriage it shocks me to see that only 8% of kids attend mixed schools. That's worse than 1950s USA school segregation- three quarters of a century ago.
It's all very well striving for integration in schools but communities are concentrated so logistically, getting kids from both sides to attend is almost possible.
Catholic schools are the best in Northern Ireland. Catholic girls in Northern Ireland are the highest Achievers in GCSE and Alevels in all of the UK, year in and year out. When Catholics were discriminated against and didn't have equal opportunities education was the only thing they had catholic schools do very well. It's not broken why fix it? Yes it's good to have integrated schools but everyone should have a choice.
65 year old - got out - going back next week for a visit - only a visit - why would i go back in time and aspect?
Ten *republican* prisoners died on hunger strike not ten IRA members. Seven were IRA and the other three belonged to the Irish National Liberation Army (INLA).
And the got slimmer of the year awards whatever faction they were in 🤣
RIP Heroes
A lot of people on both sides are invested in division...normally low class...sorry for using that term...but it's the truth
Awesome
Is hard to believe that in Europe, in this World, there are these "Walls". I hope and I wish that one day in the near future people learn to live together and respect each other beyond their religion, ideologies... Really what is shown in Ulster with these walls is not normal and after so many years since the peace agreement is time to break down these barriers.
If the peacewalls come down there will be murder and all out chaos. The peacewalls are necessary.
From Tyrone. Born in the middle of the Troubles but don’t remember the worst of it, The country was like some sort of laboratory and it’s still dealing with some of the experiments done on ‘the inmates’. The levels of wickedness, bitterness and simple immaturity amongst one’s own community is something that stays with you. Elitism within one’s own culture is there too - on both sides and you know what? It’s likely been a hidden ruination to the place. Those of us who left likely as a grand majority won’t be back sadly. The world is too big and individually anyone who has left likely has realised that there is a massive world out there - your potential can be realised. Let’s see what happens in the next 10 - 20 years when climate refugees are looking for someone cooler to live - let’s see how well the centre holds then.
World is becoming multicultural and Ireland pretty new to it....
I used to live on that street.
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Amazing that these sort of documentaries always feel like they are targeted towards people in other parts of the UK. Staggering how little people in Britain know about a so called different part of their kingdom.
That's because an awful lot of them couldn't care less, they don't identify with it at all.
@@elflakeador09 an awful lot!!!!! Not sure aye....dont worry ya woke head my friend more than you thinks got eyes on our brothers across the drink, you must be foreign to not understand?...
I wonder how many Catholics in Northern Ireland are crypto-unionists who would rather N.I. stay in the Union with Gt. Britain because it keeps them in the world's fifth largest economy and there is more economic benefit to be gained by being subsidized by Gt. Britain than any economic benefit to be got by being in a united, independent Ireland.
Irish people in Ireland are richer on average compared to northern Irish so your comment makes no sense. Plus a united ireland means free trade with the EU.
From dublin huge framptom fan.
Was raised in a mostly protestant family, and I can say that most have grown weary of the Unionist displays. I listen to grown men talk like 8 year old boys about parade routes and people celebrating King Billy. Well, look into your genetics. Yes, some of you who think you’re orange through and through will find out like my family that your roots go back to the earliest settlers. It’s likely my family history contains every religion that ever was on this Island and a conversion when my ancestors moved to the north… conversion likely for job opportunity. And from there we’d have mixed a bit with the Ulster Scots. Our people have been treated horribly throughout history by the Brits-that’s the actual history of this land that we share. I understand people feeling ties to the UK and thinking that it offers more and wanting to stay, but many are looking to Ireland and seeing a different possibility. Also, that-a political decision-is distinctly different from the bonfires and parades celebrating a dark time in Irish history. We can only put that horrid history in the past by moving beyond these celebrations and the senseless prejudice-even if we stay with the UK-being united as Northern Irish folk.
Loyalist’s are happy as long as they can leave union flags hanging on lamp posts until they are in tatters.
The shape of them woman hammering the plaster board lol
It's not just your name and where you live. It also depends on whether your eyes are too close together and what foot you kick with
I wish reports like this wouldn't focus on Belfast as the be all and end all, and give the impression that what is presented here in Belfast is normality for every one else in Northern Ireland. It's not. Where I live, which is mixed, people get on and there aren't any peace walls, and the place isn't driwning in flags and murals. Reports like this give a false perception of Northern Ireland to the outside world.
Benji said it all.
Northern Ireland and Belfast is such a beautiful place that's why it's soul destroying too see that old divisions and scores are still there but having said that I'm moving to BELFAST away from London as Belfast is for me personally is a better place to live.
My sister visited Belfast and she said it’s dire.
@@ffi1001 go to London and experience what dire is London is hell on earth
God Bless All Éireann.☘🇮🇪💚
Carl's friend , Sam , who's brother was killed by a pipe bomb was in the process of throwing it at Catholics in an attempt to kill and maim them.
Really? I've heard him tell that story in 2 different videos and both times he has left that bit out. Hmmm, it makes it a completely different story, doesn't it?!?
@@heffo67 In fairness to Carl the , fine detail, of events on that day , 11 Nov 2001 are , perhaps, not relevant to the subject matter here.
Coincidentally the young lad in question , who lost his life was named Glenn , Spacer , Branagh a relation of one of Belfast's more celebrated son's, Kenneth Branagh.
He was used by older sinister figures from within pro British militant loyalism , who were and remain opposed to the GFA agreement and are to this day ,instrumental in attempting to bring us back to the days of violence.
The recent movie, Belfast, is set on the actual 'peaceline' along which much of the conflict 69/ 98 unfolded , the adage, there but for the grace of God, go I , comes to mind, upon watching the movie, with huge fame and untold fortune for one and heartache, hatred and ultimately ,premature death for the other Branagh, fate turning almost on the tossing of a coin.
Ireland's story is replete with such similar sad happenstance.
@@jamesoneill2933 Thanks for the explanation. I can understand why he leaves out that detail and you are correct, it isn't really relevant to the subject matter of the video. But he does make it sound like the pipe bomb was thrown at him.
I put his name into google...16 years of age. Oh my what a terrible waste of a life. That's very sad. Young fellas can be so easily influenced and lead astray. Absolutely senseless.
Talk of unifying the 2 parts of Ireland are wildly overblown. The people of the South are very wary of the older generations on either side of the community, be they like the guy obsessed by the Irish language or evangelicals who could never find a home with the South (people there think they are crazed lunatics frankly). The economy of NI is a basket case that the 5 million residents of the South will refuse to fund. NI folks, you have to find a way of living with what you have.
Looks good
Take that wall down and get along with each other - prosper together and live unified. Life's too short for violence and hatred.
Newlodge born and bred and have to say. A lot of time for wee Carl. Times have changed but not enough. An Ireland of equals. Iv 3 kids and I hope their generations can sort it out
The way things are going it's going to start up again
Oh Yes. Things are always changing and not for the better. Once London stops putting money into the jute box and the music stops there will be conflict again. It's in their nature.
There should not be integrated school, all schools only be state schools no Catholic schools. Only state schools
The Troubles affected many countries but we call them terrorists.
Clash of the council estates.
The quality of life in NI is far superior to Ireland and most of UK. Some English journalist who has moved to Ireland from England feels she's an expert to comment. The slippery slope is always the same...ignorance presenting as wisdom.
At least houses are affordable here in the north
There may be gates between parks and one road in particular between the shankill and Springfield road (falls ) but you can get by this when they’re shut easy enough. To be honest I think that if you keep highlighting this as you do it doesn’t really help the matter and doesn’t help people move on, many people aren’t interested in division anymore especially since the lockdowns.
All working class areas the hatred is well and alive on both sides.
6 years ago. I went to UK for holiday. I visited all UK countries and Ireland. I was quite surprised when I visited Belfast. I saw many homeless on the street, and many thieves in supermarkets. Moreover the tour guide ,around 50 years old who leaded us to Giant causeways, always told about the story of ULSTERS and denounced the Catholic Irish. I couldn't believe the hatred was still around. NI is very different from other UK countries.
teratik Its neither ireland or the UK,yes of course politically its in the UK,but culturally its neither fish nor foul,Some parts are as irish as in the republic and others are even more british than britain.
@@gallowglass2630 heck Dublin is practically a victorian city. Trinity College was build by the british royal family lol
It's still an occupied zone.
there are more homeless and thieves in every other part of ireland and UK than belfast, so your anecdotal evidence is simply rubbish
I was born just before The Troubles kicked off. I’ve come to the opinion that, the whole concept that is ‘Northern Ireland’ is just a plain nonsense.
I know many will disagree with me but just look at the evidence. 100 years of consistent p*** poor performance. If NI was a business it would not have survived its founding year.
I look forward to the day, when a reunification vote consigns NI to the history books!
YES 💯%✔️ UNITED IRELAND🇮🇪🇮🇪
Good report, but what a terrible way of living, I hope all communities that have visible or invisible walls overcome their differences. Life is too short to live like that.
Most people I know in Northern Ireland are not interested in this; as usual it is a small but highly vocal minority who are most intransigent.
Nothing terrible about it were all used to it ,,it's hell of a lot better than carefews ,car bomb, pub bombs,n snippers ,
The colours green, white and orange behind Carl Frampton in the thumb pic. What a balls up 😂 "Journalism" as acurate as ever 😂
19:04 many are sick of modernity
Only way to end the devision is to connect Ireland again!
Connect the communities in Northern Ireland, do not connect Northern Ireland with republic of Ireland
@JMB Pro why would Ireland want to be ruled by the British when the British killed millions of Irish last time….
It's funny when they call it a "working"class neighbourhood. You would be lucky to find many working in them, sadly for generations now.
If there's one thing I can take from this, is?!... Don't give a woman a hammer!!!
Nothing like a bit of misogyny on a video trying to show how far Northern Ireland has come since the troubles and commenting on a section of the video where woman who suffer from high levels of unemployment trying to get some training to improve their lives comments and attitudes like these are the reason Northern Ireland is so behind the rest of the UK Mark Bailey you should be ashamed of yourself
and don't give redstarsocks9517 a hammer as well. Tell a funny joke and she gets all serious and ready to injury someone
This is where iam from , its hell, but a bit better now ..
The problem with peace is eventually people want blood and turmoil
Ireland is one nation no part of Ireland is British never has been and never will be
*Looks at map*
*Looks at UN*
*Looks at history*
Hmmm...I have to disagree with your there.
Who knew putting half a million British people into Ireland would end so badly 🤷♂️
It's their descendants home now too as much as yours.
They have lived here so long they are part of northern Ireland
@@sands7779 A great addition no doubt. Thankfully they came in droves otherwise the north of Ireland might have stayed in relative peace. I shudder to think of that alternative universe.
In St. Jon's, Newfoundland we took the catholic/protestant school system out and rezoned the city so you went to your most local school. Everybody forgot in no time. Best thing to do. We also took out prayers in the AM. You can't force non Christians to say morning prayers. Only private schools are religion based.
There’s still a vast political difference between both the Irish nationalist communities and loyalists. My father was born into a very loyalist, Protestant home in Armagh but in his early 20’s became a Republican and joined the provos. This isn’t just a faith divide.
Catholic girls in Northern Ireland are the highest achievers in GCSEs and A levels in all of the UK, year in year out. Catholics only had education and had to work 10 times harder if they wanted anything. I don't see what good it will do getting rid of the best schools in Northrn Ireland. Yes integrated schools are good to have, but you can't take away something that give the catholic community something, when they couldn't get anything else in Northern Ireland. You should be able to have a choice in what school you want to attend. Many kids mix and integrate outside of school thanks to social media.
@@nervesinapattern7261 armagh was once the capital of Ireland in ancient times
It is only to do with religion in name. The troubles are to do with national identity and politics. Also, when it comes to the catholic faith in Ireland as a whole, it is very much on the way out.
These are the people who revel in calling themselves loyalists but whose grandfather's sought to negotiate a transfer of loyalty to the kaiser if home rule was passed. Contradictions who needs them.
There are Republicans in Northern Ireland UK, walking up every day paying their taxes to the Crown that they hate. They utilise the NHS and don't moan about it's "free at the point of service" approach. They claim benefits from the British government in huge numbers in areas of North and West Belfast especially. They also want to unite with a Republic that left them behind and effectively partitioned the island, leaving their kin and comrades behind.
Both of you are correct.
Loyalists were always a confused, paradoxical and self-contradictory bunch. No consistency to be found there at all, I'm afraid.
James II may dispute the label loyalists given that they handed the English crown to a Dutchman.
They should be referred to as unionists or colonists not loyalists, or protestants which implies the conflict is religious in origin.
Is this real? I accidentally stumbled on this (from USA, was born in eastern Europe).. And people hate communism? at least there was no religion or other divisions lol. This looks crazy from my bubble that exists today in place like Ireland?
It’s less about religion than colonial divide and rule tactics and their legacies.
The main source of the divide now is the politics. These political groups and figures use the divide to gain popularity in votes saying they will help the Unionist people or the Nationalist people when in actual fact a good 80% of them are working for themselves. Unfortunately, because of seeing hat politics is and does alot of younger people who could make a real difference are put off enterting this segragated world. A country that has only recently acknowledged same sex marriage and still frowns upon abortion becuase of the so called 'Christians' representing the DUP against Sein Feinn who are seen to only represent the catholic communities. The UK government offending see NI as a bargaining tool. Polictics must be change. Im 30 years old and was born and bred in NI before moving to England 4 years ago for work purposes and now having a family here, i grew up just as the Good Friday agreement was being signed. In primary school nobody cared about what religion anyone else was or what football team they supported, but i then went to high school to an all protestant school and everyone cared. Most of the people that went to my school including myself came from working class protetstant communities where our parents and grandparents gew up during the troubles that seen the loss of life cause by both sides and the armed forces and grew to hate one another. Looking at it now it seems like such a childish mentality to hate someone because of what their background is whether it be religion, skin colour or again because you supported Rangers or Celtic. My age group now who are having kids and starting families are the future of Northern Ireland that can make the difference and having intergrated schools is almost essential for this to continue to grow. Some things will never change in some communities and unfortunately that is just how it is, the areas of east and west Belfast that will always have segragated areas where it will just have one community and not two that are able to live like it is 2022 and EVERYONE is the same on the inside. Everyone wants the same thing, peace, prosperity and a good future for themselves and their families to live and grow. It is all about education and reaching out to the people who can make a difference for now and the future.
The people of N Ireland voted to stay in UK as Scotland did.
When? When was the referendum on membership in the UK held?
I puked a little in my mouth after Benji's rap 🤮🤢
Because "Northern Ireland: a legacy of British Meddling" would've hit way too close to home for the Financial Times and it's readers.
i know right? lets just skip over how it came to be that communities in conflict built their homes right next to eachother. Troubles just came out of no where... 🙄
Ok but the meddling happened in the 1600s which was a different world to now. We have to move forward with that history now it’s happened.
@@SpitfireMLG Unfortunately I don't think certain segments of the community have moved on much from the 1600s. Just look at what happens every July. And the British meddling happened in every century from the 1600s to today. What was Brexit? NI voted by majority to remain and yet were dragged out against its will in order to serve the interests of English Tories.
Not being a part of overpaid EU is a good start.
A legacy of English colonialism would have been a more apt headline!!
The local people in Northern Ireland want to remain with Britain.
Support from the local population is the opposite of colonialism.
@@raymondhaskin9449 If the local people in Yorkshire wanted to secede from England and join Ireland would you support their right to self determination?
@@stallthedigger2599
The local people in Yorkshire aren’t Oi’rish. The people in Northern Ireland are predominately British.
Raymond I respect people's personal feelings and aspirations but you can't deny English colonial history in Ireland, and elsewhere in the world, has caused division and war. I welcome your reply and best regards.
@@petermcnally7125
The local population in Northern Ireland want to be part of the UK.
That’s not a colonial situation.
It's almost as if partition and being in the UK doesn't work :o
Excellent documentary. Let's hope the people in NI can figure out their issues. They weren't helped by Brexit and all the lies given out by the pro brexit parties and the subsequent big lie Johnson told re the border. But we are where we are and we need to figure things out from here. My view is that GB should re-join the single market and negotiate a customs union with the EU so the Irish Sea border can be scrapped and normal trade can be re-established.
Norn Iron is a poor and terribly backward place, whose largest export is it's young people...
Sad…
The sad thing is the people of the 6 are the hardest working most tenacious people in the world. You see when they are put in a thriving environment, like in the south or London they excel. How many of the big construction companies in dublin are owned by northies
@@mulhern1988 Very few of the construction companies that are working with Jonnie Ronan for the D1 Docklands development in Dublin are owned by yellow backs. But the tea bags that shovel the proverbial are primarily from Norn Iron...
Bollocks! Nothing backwards about us, I'd hate to have such a narrow view of the world.
Northern Ireland = Belfast apparently
The irish cant even get along between 2 different branch of Christianity, imagine when the immigrants from various religions that are drastically different from Christianity moved it. Oh boy.
we could fix this.