*BRAND NEW* - LITHIUM iTECH120X PRO - iTechworld | 120ah Usable Capacity? | Testing Specs & Thoughts
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ค. 2024
- There is no doubt lithium is the future of electrical storage in the 4WD and touring community, but the technology is improving constantly.
iTechWorld have just released their new 120X PRO - Deep Cycle Lithium Battery, designed to withstand the harsh Australian environment and able to be mounted in the engine bay of your vehicle.
Is is everything that it's made up to be? And is it actually an improvement over its predecessor, the 120X?
In this episode I cover everything you need to know about the new 120X PRO Lithium battery from iTechWorld to help you determine whether or not this is the power solution to your setup.
The new batteries can be viewed here:
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00:00 - Introduction
01:23 - Weights
01:57 - Dimensions
02:25 - Specifications
04:00 - Capacity Test
06:12 - Value for Money
07:43 - Warranty
08:30 - Installation
11:06 - Conclusion
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EPIC, awesome video mate! love how detailed you are and address all the crucial information!
Cheers guys! Glad to see iTechWorld have listened to the market and developed this new unit with the full usable power.
Hope you guys are enjoying the NSW coast 👍
Funny how they only just recently removed the false 120ah rating off the 120x that was never a real 120ah battery it only had 105ah of cells inside and swept that dodgy rating under the rug. The new PRO version is only 120ah usable as its 20% more weight meaning its actually 120ah. They are still false claiming there battery has special bms that allows any charger to be used which is completely false. Not only have i opened the 120x and tested the bare cells but there is nothing in a bms that account for the re bulk trigger voltage points in agm chargers meaning the charger will cycle to full once then will not kick back into bulk charge again untill the voltage is at a low agm set point normally about 12.3v which means for a lithium the charger is going to let it go almost completely flat before it kicks back in. Lithium chargers should kick back into bulk if the battery drops to about 13.2-13.3v Itech make up a lot of BS to sell their gear.
Have you got any pictures of the insides of the battery mate?
another great and informative video Nathan... top job
Cheers mate 👍
You know you’re getting old when you get excited about a new XploringOz vid 🤣🤣 good stuff Nathan hope the lap is going good.
Why would you be getting old ?
Haha 😆 Thanks mate, hopefully I can catch up a bit 😬
I love ya work bother, thanks for taking the trouble of showing us 👍🍺❤️🇦🇺
Cheers mate, appreciate it 👍
Great to see you back on-line Nathan. I was getting concerned that something had happened to interrupt your family adventure. Another excellent technical explanation pitched at a level that the proverbial "layman" can understand.
Thanks Ian! Yes, trying to catch up and maintain some sort of schedule with this lifestyle is harder than I first imagined 😆
Appreciate the feedback and glad you enjoyed it 👍
Family first Nathan. They deserve your time and attention more than the general viewing public. This is a wonderful opportunity for you all to travel together and see this beautiful country.
@@iangoodwin345 Thanks mate, appreciate it 👍 It sure has been a surreal experience thus far!
Another great test Nathan, and as always, very thorough. It certainly pops the question for change and gives a couple of options. I was wondering if you had done long term test of your Cranking Battery. I saw the one when you compared the Itech 1420 to the Optima AGM, but I was wondering how it was fairing, particularly now that you are on the "Big Lap"? As always thanks again. 👍
Thanks for that Andrew, glad you are still enjoying the vid's.
I haven't conducted a review of the 1420CA PRO as of yet. I installed it around June 2022 and it's still in the cruiser.
So far its performing well and haven't had any issues to date, here's hoping that doesn't change 🤞
I'll look to do a 12 month review and see how the unit looks and performs then 👍
Fully disagree with you on re the flack that ITech has copped.
Practically all Li batteries on the market deliver the claimed *useable* capacity... if not a tad more. The name "120X" implies 120 AH (that would meet the convention of the industry). A close look at the spec sheet would tell you, the 120X is actually rated at 105 AH. BUT then, to many customers surprise, the batteries don't even deliver that.... the norm i see is high 90's. AND that is with a BMS cut off of < 9V - which is also lower than the standard capacity test for most manufacturers, between 3.65 - 2.5V per cell (so 14.6 - 10V).
Yep totally agree. Accidently fully discharged mine and just under 99 amps. Porky pies by iTech world...should call it the 100X :)
I purchased fully aware of 105 amp life. Why. I was purchasing a product without any experience, so I did some research, hence read spec sheet as you should have. It was no surprise to me. The specs revealed it to have far superior initial amp draw and consistently higher amp supply than anything else in the price range at the time, hence my purchase. I needed high initial discharge to run my inverter, anything else in that price range was far less, might as well retained my AGM over those other brands.
I'm 100% satisfied with my Itech 120X guys, never been displeased with it.
You seriously weren't expecting it to supply anything over 100amps in a real world environment, if so you needed to purchase a greater capacity unit. ♥️ Itech product.
I hear you and that's fine. However there wouldn't be many batteries on the market that match the spec's for a unit like this at the same price point. Keeping in mind that a huge selling point for these units are the fact that it is warranted for under bonnet use.
Haven't seen others with that, the spec's like this, the capacity and the price... not defending them, but the value for money still remains, even if the capacity for 6/7 Ah less than claimed.... 🤷♂️
@@XploringOz Are you sponsored / was that battery a free sample for your evaluation? I didn't remember any disclaimer from your video
@@PittsFly 120X in my caravan powers 2000W inverter which happily supplies 240v to coffee m/c, toaster, toastie & tooth brush chargers.
Haven't yet utilised it for induction cooking as I like to cook externally to avoid cooking smells lingering in van.
Externally is via vehicle, in which 3X54amp Itech units (162amps, 150 guaranteed) power my 1500W inverter that happily runs the induction cooker at 1400W to sear a good steak. Other than that I bring water to boil at 800W and happily simmer at 300W. Happy with that, sick of cooking with gas sheltering the flame from breeze.
Obviously still utilise gas to bake items in camp oven.
Hey Nathan, awesome information as always. Thank you and I followed your lead with a 120x pro. Any chance you could guide me the settings for a Victron smart shunt as I only see them available for the 120x? Cheers and thanks again
Thanks Nathan, this is exactly what I needed. I’m setting up my system so have nothing. I’m going to get the 120x pro, the dcdc25 amp charger, solar panel and the battery monitor and shunt all from itechworld. I couldn’t decide between the batteries and was leaning towards the 120x as it’s proven but now I’m going the pro. Thanks for making it simple.
Awesome, glad this could help with your setup 👍 That sounds like a good little setup planned too.
I think you will be alright with the new PRO version as it would appear they are using the same proven hardware and BMS units, just maximising that larger capacity.
All the best 👍
you know your stuff big help thankyou
Thanks mate, I have a 6 month follow up review coming out this Saturday too 👍
Great review
Thanks mate,👍
I saw the 120x Pro on their website today and got real excited that it might have an inbuilt bt monitor and app, or at least a built in lcd monitor with SOC, and current draw.
But if my old 120X dies this will be the next purchase.
Thanks for the video.we live full time on the road have ordered 2 120x pro for our caravan to replace agms. The charging system BM pro HA 35) has a lithium setting. Can i ask your thoughts on when setting the total amos into the system should i put the 240 amps or given the extra capasity should i put in yhe higher amount ie 264 amps? Is it important?
Hey Nathan, great vid. Where did you mount the BM shunt?
Hey mate, this is mounted within the right drawer wing kit area 👍
Thanks for the epic video - am
About to purchase one this week - also quick question - what are those doors behind you ? And where did you get them from they are an awesome idea
Thanks mate. I'm just about to release a 6 month review this Saturday to show how it's performed in this time, so stay tuned 👍
Which doors were you referring to? Maybe just me know what time in the video?
Thanks mate for response will stay tuned for sure … the roller doors in your pantry ?? They look retractable? Is that correct ?
They are behind you the whole time in video .. the ones behind cook top
My 120x is down to 87ah after 12 months which is in line with many other tests I have seen. That first battery has very poor quality cells. Not to mention the deceiving marketing, calling something "120" if it only gives 95ah from new, for over discharge protection of course... lol
Also wait until you have an issue with one of their products. Their tactics to deflect is next level. You get what you pay for. Product and customer service. Warranty duration only means something if the company is willing to uphold it.
Latest issue with the 120x is it won't complete a full charge cycle anymore. BMS cuts off the charger when it goes from bulk into absorption. Never completes absorption or goes into float anymore. Constantly cutting off, going back into bulk, cutting off etc etc... iTech saying all normal even though I have tested with two Victron charger and a Redarc BCDC and supplied a video. All good according to them. Nothing to worry about.
I'm sorry to hear that and I'm not going to stand here and defend iTechWorld, they need to provide warranty in line with consumer law.
This being said, I can only review from my experience as this is what I know and test and so far, it's working very well... albeit the slightly faster cycle life degradation.
Further, I'd be interested if you could point me in the direction of the many other tests, would love to read some 👍
First time I’ve ever seen my wife watch a video about lithium batteries. 😂
Very informative. I wonder if one of these will fit in my new cruiser when it arrives? Always thinking about weight 🫤
Thanks for taking the time to make these videos Nathan 👍🏻
Cheers man 🤙 Haha, something for the Tinyhome too? 🤷♂️
@@XploringOz You need to read my latest message to you on the other platform. We’ve secured something a little larger but will keep the THOW for when you visit 😉
Best Wishes From Pakistan loving your series from Day 1
Thanks mate, appreciate that 🙏
I have the 120 under bonnet in my 200 and my Victron alarm alerted me of 70C when it was 41C outside - I got worried I was going to cook it. Touch wood so far so good and about to go through the desert in a few weeks to test it out - wish me luck.
Here's your wish, "good luck".
😅 Trepidation about nothing maybe.
😥 Anxiety maybe.
😢 No oh-shit moments I hope.
😁 What concerns, it will be fine.
I'll be out in the Simpson early May.
I utilise Itech lithium, but rear mounted as in the Patrol the second battery space is right beside the turbo, no place to mount any battery.
Seriously, best off luck in all regards.
All the best with your desert trip mate. I would be interested to hear how it all went when you are back.
I reckon the batteries will perform fine, but here's hoping for you 🤞
great vid mate, i have the 120x in my boat its great,, i went with the dcs lithium batt it has much better specs than 120 pro , -30 to +110 degrees C operating temp
Cheers mate, they are good value for what they are.
I also looked at the DCS, however that $$$ was hard to accept. Although I understand the DCS have other features and perhaps a better temp range, I'm pleased to see that the iTechWorld units are still performing after my testing 👍
I have been looking into a replacement for my AGM and reading the performance specs from the manufacturers of the Cells to get 6K cycles they must not be charged below 0c or discharged above 50c otherwise the life expectancy is more than halved they recommend either passive cooling (heat sink or active cooling) . On a hot 🥵day I put my drill Battery into my esky to cool it down so it will recharge regards Mike
For sure and that's why I'm out to test them in a real world environment. To see exactly how long they last, how long people should expect to get from them and their performances over a long term period 👍 12 month review due in Feb 2024 👍
You’re still able to produce tech vids with this high quality while on the road. I don’t know how you do it but great stuff, Nath.
Cheers Jim!
Just have to catch up with those episode video now... so far behind 😩
@@XploringOz Nath, Nath, Nath….. I saw you enjoying yourself on that one wheeler when you should have been working 🤓
@@overlandphotography Haha, guilty as charged! Can't blame me though, how much fun does the OneWheel look!?
@@XploringOz I'd be as hopeless as pockets on underpants riding one of those things but it really does look like a lot of fun. Cheers, Nath
@@overlandphotography 😆
Nathan are you using the 120x pro as an auxiliary battery only or is it set up as the starter ( or could it be) - l do note it is deep cycle which generally means not cranking but just checking - regards Dave B
G'Day Dave, so I'm only using it as an auxiliary. I've heard it can start the vehicle, however it's not designed for that and I wouldn't be relying on it to do so.
I'm using the iTechWorld 1420CA PRO lithium as my starter 👍
I hope you cut the old 120x open to do a real review of it
Just curious about what the warranty issues your friends had experienced with their Itech 120/120X batteries (@8:15 in video) as the audio/video editing dropped off, there may be others experiencing the same issues who may not fully understand the problem and how to discuss it with the supplier for a speedy resolution.
Might be a good video for some time in the future.
Yes, so he had one of the 1st gen 120X batteries. After years of under bonnet use, is became swollen and stopped working on a trip north of Perth. He turned up at the showroom with the battery and they swapped it out under warranty then and there, couldn't have been easier!
Hi Nathan thanks for your review. Trying to understand why this battery can be installed under bonnet when all other battery suppliers say they cant be used under bonnet.
Hey mate, it’s a good question however I think the difference in the market is not necessarily the tech, but the warranty. At least with these if anything happens, you get a replacement. 👍
Another well done video, are you now running the same for the start battery?
same question here mate - are you running one of these as your crank battery or just aux power?
@@zachcampbell3686 Same, I want a crank battery. I can't see these in NZ though, what else can I use? Cheers
@@arkhurdler7308 dcs do crank batterys lithiums.
He runs a Itech Lithium Cranking battery. The Itech CA1420 Pro.
Look at his channel, you'll find his video on it.
You do need to utilise an ignition activated isolator if you run auxiliary batteries though, as auto isolators seperate at 12.7 volts and that is not enough residual power in your starter lithium battery.
He covers this, just go to his channel.
Hey mate, so these although I've heard they can are not designed as a cranking battery.
I do run the iTechWorld 1420CA PRO cranking battery (lithium) in the cruiser too and this has performed perfectly over the last 8 months 👍
I have a couple of videos about this on the channel too
Hi Nathan what's the 120 like for using winches...could you do a vid on these before buying :)
The 120 is not suitable for winching. Itech do manufacturer a cranking battery. From Memory it's model no. is CA1420 Pro but look at their site to confirm.
That specific battery is 100% designed to crank.
I personally utilise one in my ZD30 Patrol, it does both with complete satisfaction, cranks marvelously fast, winches strong, totally happy with it.
Hey mate, as Ian said, the 120X is designed as a more of a 'deep cycle' battery and therefore, winching is best performed from a high discharge battery.
I do however run my winch off the iTechWorld 1420CA PRO lithium battery, which has performed flawlessly so far in my setup 👍
What product did you use for the heat shield?😊
Hey mate, I used this one here - ebay.us/i3cWFz
Hi Nathan can you explain how the battery 120 X pro is a 120AH battery but has 132 ammps of capacity - is this published anywhere on Itechworlds fact sheets?
Hey mate, so the 120X specs is the official rating, however this could change for a number of reasons.
Temperature and humidity (environmental conditions).
Surface charge - there may have been a little surface charge left prior to testing
Rate of discharge.
These things can effect the capacity, however overall it should be able to easily reach 120A in most circumstances.
@@XploringOz thanks Nathan - very much appreciate your channel.
I so much wanted to get one of these but I just cant fit it into my Prado. There is just no way to squeeze it in.
I wish they would make an N70 footprint battery (max 305 long) of 100' ish ah. They would sell really well, Id buy one in a heartbeat.
Look at DCS and replace start and aux batteries with lithium :). Been using in my Prado for almost 4 years and zero regrets.
@@davewarland1680 3k is just too much for me. They wont sell a single 90 and their single 75 is a bit small for $1000.
Coming sooner than you think 👀
@@itechworld1 Awesome, like how soon?
You never know mate, there might be something coming 😉
i disagree there's plenty of other batteries including cheaper lithium's that put out their claimed capacity, and comparing to agm's is apples and oranges, the flak was warranted but good to see they've listened to the market.
That's fair enough I guess, but can we also take into consideration the warranty time and process (Australian distributer) and whether or not these others lithium batteries are designed or more importantly warranted for under bonnet use?
For me personally, the capacity, power capability and under bonnet use provide ample value for money for my setup.
I'm more than happy to test other brands, are you able to point me in the right direction to these numbers companies that can compare, apples to apples?
@@XploringOzHi Nathan, I'd absolutely love to see you do a comparison on other products, I'd be curious to see how they measured up in the real world, at least you know the 120X does comply with Itech's specs from your initial & 12 months reviews.
I'm a Itech 120X owner whom did purchase off of spec sheet, not model number. Benefit of reading spec sheet was it revealed the 120X had greater initial amp draw and consistently higher amp draw than any other price compatible unit at the time of my purchase. I've always been amused that a model no. could be so interpreted, how does anyone compare like to like without reading specs. So like your work mate.
Regards, safe travels.
@@ianweal3081 Cheers mate, this is something I could probably do when back at home and have a base to work from as it's hard enough testing these products out on the road.
I would need to find like for like products though and that means finding other products that are suited to under bonnet use. Not too many of them around
Great review Nathan, I bought 2 /120x 3 years ago for my caravan and they are still going strong.
Just a pity they didn’t release the 120x pro from the start.
Would have saved a lot of criticism.
Awesome to hear mate 👍
I'm impressed with how my 120X has held up over the last year and I'm currently in the process of doing another capacity test with it now to add to a 12 month review.
I agree, however I'm pleased to see they saw the issues and rectified the problem. No making excuses or mucking around
Can you use them as a start battery?
If not single, can you use them in parallel and use them as start/winch batteries?
No. Itech do manufacturer a Starter/Winch battery. From Memory it's model no. is CA1420 Pro but look at their site to confirm.
That specific battery is 100% designed to crank.
I personally utilise one in my ZD30 Patrol, it does both with complete satisfaction, cranks marvelously fast, winches strong, totally happy with it.
Hey mate, these aren't really designed for ultra high discharge rates like that. As Ian said, the 1420CA PRO is better designed for that purpose.
This being said, other viewers here have used them in that capacity without problems.
I personally wouldn't rely of a 120X or 120X PRO as a cranking battery though.
Hi Nathan can they be used as a starting battery please let me know thanks mate 🍻
Hey mate, there aren't really designed for a cranking battery. iTechWorld do offer the 1420CA PRO unit which is a lithium cranking battery and I've been using it for about 8 months now in the LC200 without issue 👍
Thanks mate
another big difference between the 120x and 120x pro is 5 years replacement warranty on the pro compared to 3 years on the 120x
If you can get a hold of them
The pro comes with 3yrs replacement warranty and 2 years pro-rata warranty. Better warranties and service out there.
For sure, a very helpful feature 👍
@ BSE bse - maybe, but do those other manufactures offer Australian distributers and the same spec/capacities as this unit, at this price point and most importantly under bonnet use warranted?
@@XploringOz I did reply to your comment however it seems my comment has been deleted from this post. 🤷🏻♂️
If it is more usable Ah and weighs 2.5kg more then theyll be using bigger cells. Simple.
Nice work, I bought 2 x 140 amp Giant lithium's lots cheaper and sold just down the road,
Hey mate. How have you found these to perform?
@@jarrahfitzgerald2752 Yes good so far done one 7300ks trip from Cooroy QLD to SA and back I just have them in the Back of the 80 series, or take them out and have them hooked up to fridges and my solar, Not under the bonnet, I Would of loved Iteckworld batteries but were bit to dear for me, plus I had to pay for transport,
Awesome mate, glad you found solution that worked for you. That's all the matters in the end.
What place did you buy the giant battery??
@@dodgierogie68 Aussy Batteries Kawana QLD
There 120X should be called 100X because thats all you get out of them. How much did they pay you to sing their praises...
I agree, was disappointed to find it was only 100ah, it’s a lot of money, so a little transparent honesty would go a long way
So much of this going on at them moment with "influences" get a sponsors product compared it to competition and the sponsors product is always the winner.They must think we are stupid.Also would be nice to have some truth in labeling if it says 120 then have 120 amps in the box, how hard can it be?
Hey guys, I'm sorry you all feel this way. I'm disappointed that you think that I'm 'paid' or 'incentivised' to provide this information.
This video is just that, it's information. I paid for my 120X like everyone else and conducted tests and was impressed by the value for money, not necessarily the capacity.
I've had numerous products cause issues, which have been spoken about in videos before. My 120X isn't perfect either (video to be released in the near future) this being said, it has performed very well in my setup.
If you guys need that extra 20Ah capacity, then I agree the 120X and it's 'claimed' power isn't going to be the battery for you. This is exactly why I do these types of videos, to provide that information to everyone here.
I don't try to hide the fact that I have received a limited number of products from companies and although everyone is quick to through mud at the information from this content, without these companies, there would be fewer reviews like this.
As you could probably imagine, I can't justify spending an additional $1000 on a battery that provides 33Ah more than the one I already purchased. But with the help of companies like iTechWorld, not only can I independently test and provide the most accurate information possible I can also push these products to the verge of, of even past the breaking point, knowing that it's not my $1000 spent.
It goes without saying that if this battery fails in any way coming up in the future, I will without doubt post a follow up video (without the permissions of the company) and this is the risk that these companies take by sending these products to reviewers.
@Michael George - mate, some influences are paid a lot of money for endorsements, I don't receive a cent from iTechWorld for the video or for affiliate sales. I accept the product, I review it and release my findings. I don't take a single viewers as 'stupid' and I'm disappointed that you would categorise this channel into that group of 'influencers'.
@@michaelhermans4753 unsure where you're coming from, did you read the Specs prior to purchase.
If you had, you'd been aware 105amp was your total supply.
As for being expensive, hmm.
Prior to purchasing mine I read the Specs of many comparable batteries, that's how you compare like for like (not a model number), the Itech 120X won hands down, nothing else compared in price for benefits.
The initial amp draw & continuous amp supply far exceeded anything else in similar price range at my time of purchase. For my use, that was the winning issue, suited inverter use for high draw items. Provided you have a good recharge, total amps isn't an issue, draw is.
♥️ My Itech products.
@@ianweal3081 most people see reviews on the net, not one of them said it was only 105amp hours
Do you read the small print on everything you purchase?
The usable amp hrs is what everyone wants to know, and having 120 is misleading
It’s a load of rubbish that these are drop on replacement. My mate had his on charger electric and by the fourth day the battery went to sleep he was told by itechworld he needed the proper charger
I mean, they are drop in replacement to an extent, you will still need some sort of device that can charge these, whether that be from an AC source or DC charger. No auxiliary battery by iTechWorld is designed to be charge from an alternator.
I'll go rhythm
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ITechworld have no data available to show their batteries can do 4000-8000+ cycles..Also, You've already had a warranty replacement for one of your iTechworld batteries.. That's concerning
What data would you like them to show publicly regarding proof of cycles? Have they been asked to show the proof? Most other companies don't show testing results on their spec sheets...
And secondly, no I haven't had a battery replaced under warranty, as mentioned in the video it was another small device sold by iTechWorld.
Yep I threw mine in the bin after 8 mths….
May I ask why?
@@XploringOz you get what you pay for, after 7 mths and only 3 mth of travelling we copped some really hot weather over 10 days. period. They stopped charging fully and would drain well past their standard over night. When I spoke to the company they told me it was my charging system. I had it checked twice by two different people. The company refused to answer emails.
It was suggested that one or both BMS may have been damaged in the heat, who knows. What I do know is they didn’t work, my new batts have less advertised power (100 ahr) but have a better continuous discharge. Although smaller in capacity the new batts are doing everything better and lasting longer before recharge.
I do need to say my batts where the 120X and not the Pro version. I would be interested in seeing a proper test on these batts and made public.
@@petermoore7724 Sorry to hear that happened. So I'm guessing these batteries were mounted in the engine bay too?
Can I ask what new batteries you chose to go with?
I can only comment on my experiences and so far, they seem to be providing the goods. Although I haven't been in extreme heat for 10 days consecutively, I have taken them through some relatively rough terrain and they haven't failed me yet.
@@XploringOz no, the batts where mounted underneath in our motorhome. We went with Off Road Living, decent people that will actually return calls and get in touch with you. The owner actually spent an Hr of his time going through my charging system.
It’s interesting you mentioned engine bay. I know they have stated engine bay mounting is fine but their batts (most) are only rated to
G’day Guys
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