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Which 12 volt 4wd lithium battery should I choose?
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- Which 12 volt lithium battery should I choose?
When it comes to 12-volt battery types, the choice can seem a little daunting to those unfamiliar with battery technology. All 12-volt battery types are similar in that they provide power for your 12V electrical system. However, there are significant differences in how they’re designed, their capacity, the amount of maintenance required, and the cost to buy and install.
Which 12 volt lithium battery should I choose?.
In this video I go over my options and what I think of each battery.
Lithium batteries can be safely discharged to a 100% Depth Of Charge for most users to obtain 10-12 years of life with a good quality Lithium Battery.
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Check this out..
Does this not look like the itechworld battery?
Take a close look, same case, same colour, the writing is similar, in same location.
Just called different in the USA
th-cam.com/video/xBonGQe363g/w-d-xo.html
Very interesting
@@georgee686 can buy them off alibaba.
Looks same as revolution also cant judge a book by its cover
Just bought the ITech 120Ah and it's definitely not the same battery. The orange top is slightly deeper in colour, the carry strap is a wrap around and not top only as with Chins, its IP67 vs IP65 of Chins and the terminal points are noticeable different in colour ie ITech has a copper ring and Chins doesn't. I also think that ITech is similar to All Spark in that it's Australian Owned and Designed but manufactured in China. Doesn't specifically state "Australian Made" only Australian owned and uses Lithium mined in WA.
I would not buy a Chins but 100% comfortable with ITech as I could walk in and walk out with a battery. All Spark is also 100% legit and super quality 👌🏻 but I didn't want to replace my DC Charger to a Lithium profiled one.
@@neilstewart5060 They are definitely NOT using Australian lithium, nor are All spark. 100% is designed and made in china, you can ring the factories and get any name put on the cases. They are also NOT independently IP tested. I have photo's of them gluing lids on in a kitchen using glue from bunnings (they got them unglued so they could claim Australian made) and the photo was from their own facebok page and pasted by a staff member (it was quickly deleted).
Hi Phil, I have got the 200Ah Dcs, It's a been a good battery had it for a year. I run the BMV-712 and also have the 100% soc issue occasionally but with the Dcs Battery app I can always tell the state of charge of the battery and then manually correct the BMV-712. As you said with a 200AH you rarely need to worry about what you have got left and with the Itechworld 40amp dcdc it charges up fast. The itechworld 200AH seems like good bang for buck option. All the best on making a final decision. I look forward to seeing what you get and wanted to say I enjoy watching your channel. Side note I purchased the Kickass Daul Zone 75L after see your review and as well as a few others.
Thanks. Strange issue that one with the SOC on the Victron 712, in almost 4 years using the enerdrive epro plus I’ve never ever had to calibrate it. It just performed flawlessly and very accurate.
It’s a bit of a challenge getting this Victron 712 to register accurate info.
You have a good point there with the DCS how you can check the SOC via Bluetooth and than adjust the 712. I don’t believe you can access SOC with your phone in the itechworld world battery’s.
I hope your happy with the kickass fridge. Almost two years I owned mine for now, going to film a two year review soon.
This was a really helpful breakdown, Thanks Phil!
Very welcome!
Great video Phil. Lol, I’ve watched countless lengthy “unboxing” lithium battery review videos and you’re the only one that has given the best info. Cheers 👍😎
Thanks 👍
Hi Phil I've had my itech 120ah just short of 3 years now haven't had any issues with it very happy with this battery I run two Engel fridgdes on it hasn't missed a beat . Good luck with whatever you choose
I not read one bad report on it. I’m going to phone them tomorrow
Have you seen the post I just pinned with the TH-cam link to what looks like the same battery in the USA?
th-cam.com/video/xBonGQe363g/w-d-xo.html
The itechworld is awesome I just had three days of cloudy weather never got below 97% 100amh great clip mate 👍👍
Thanks. Yeah it's up there as one of my favourites. That or the DCS.
Thanks Phil, very helpful video. I’ve gone with an itechworld battery and after about 10 months of use I’m impressed. I use an itech dcdc too and the combo works well.
Keep the loads below 130ah and you will be fine. Ideally, less than 100.
Good video & comparo phil
I have the itechworld 120x
It’s been really good for the last 6 months I’ve owned it
Thanks.
I have a cheap 120ah LIFEPO4. Been fine. When it runs down to about 10.8v the BMS cuts out and won’t charge. I just have to put jump leads for on it for 10 sec to wake it up again and it’s fine. I see the new Enerdrive ones now have a reset button.
Reset button is a good idea.
I live in Perth, so it’s a different situation, but face to face they are great service esp Jarrod. I have their 50aH and very happy. I would balance out the cash outlay with warranty risk. Ie spend less and risk is low but if it fails then the potential loss is much less. Keep the other 50% in the bank or spend on something else. Look forward to hearing what you go with.
👍. The price is good for sure with the current sale.
@@PhilsCampingReviews It is, but my point is that the price is so good it outweighs the negatives and any possible risk, which I think is low anyway as they have become a proven brand.
Great video Phil I recently went a itech world 120ah for a $780, definitely works great so far, been disappointed with my kickass battery, and there prorata warranty is crap
Yes the prorata is not good. I not seen one bad review on the Itechworld.
I ran a kickass agm for 5-6 years every day with no problems. 170ah slim. I've just moved to lithium but you can't compare the 2
@@Severe2jz my kickass agm is still going strong, it would be 6 years old now, I use it in my shed.
I had my 120ah itech battery for 14 months now 3 days camping with fridge on full time and only used half the capacity i love it
Certainly better than AGM. I’ve owned mine for about 6 months now and gone through about 50 cycles so far.
What fridge and size? please
have itecklithium battries under bonnett for 3 years going great just put 2 120 amp in caravan were great on 1st camping trip
Great to hear, mine worked well while I owned it. But I outgrew it so to speak. I needed more amps. . I’ve since have upgraded to powerpaul battery’s assembled here in Australia.
I have ITechworld world 120, works perfectly, runs my beer fridge for days. I have drained it completely a couple times, and it come right back up once on charge.
That's great to hear. That's the battery I ended up purchased, the 120X. I've owned it for a couple weeks now.
THANK YOU FOR SHARING DETAILED VIDEO
My pleasure, Thanks for watching
Great presentation mate, very informative
Thank you
I found Lithium battery by Deep Cycle Systems perfect choice for my camper
There are many new manufacturers since I filmed this video.
The 120x is actually 89ah useable from memoryitech told me. Also itech told me not to use my agm AC charger. Had to use the BC40 which is is now playing up.
Interesting. They kept on saying there battery don’t need a lithium charger. Yes we have since found that the 120ah rated capacity is not true. These are 100ah not 120. Also some are only getting 90ah
I've found your reviews on lithium batteries very help full, thank you. Knowing whot you know now and and after doing the video with powerpaul, which battery setup would you go with? I'm sitting on the fence between Itech and Powerpaul, thanks
Powerpaul Australia.
I have run a Solarking LiFePO4 200AH lithium battery for 12 months with a Redarc 1225 charger and a 160w rooftop solar and a 200w solar blanket for a boost on less sunny days.
I have never come close to running it flat with my 65lt fridge and 1000w inverter plus lighting.
I ran my fridge for 3 days in the garage with no charge to the battery and it was still running strong.
Very happy with this setup.
Sounds like a great setup you have there. I'm at this moment using a 330ah lithium battery in my 4wd. Just been camping for 3 days cooking all my meals with air fryer and induction cooktop as an experiment. Have not had to charge the battery.
@@PhilsCampingReviews Following these threads with interest. Just bought a canopy for grey nomading and my old underbonnet deep cycle is buggered, at its best it only ran my trailblazer for 48 hrs. So I'm looking for a fresh start battery wise. I want to camp for 5-6 days stationary.
Went to the camping show in bne and came across Provolt 310 amp battery $2350 show special. It was a fairly small size even compared to the 200amp batteries in your video. Went to drive to Caboolture today to buy one from the manufacturer, couldn't find an address or even a phone no, just a email address
So a bit of a red flag for me. Saw your comment about your 300amp and was wondering what it was?
Could really use some advice. Don't mind spending money but I only want to spend it once. Was going to chuck 2×200 redarc panels on the roof but they seem to be unavailable. Prefer to keep it simple. Fridge draws 5 amps but being a trailblazer only runs about 50% of the day, got a sirocco fan .5 amp max and some low voltage lighting. Down the track maybe run a playstation and monitor for those rainy days.
Anyway sorry for the ramble Phil, but I'm a bit lost, would appreciate any advice.
@Ian from FNQ hello Ian.
I suggest either the PowerPaul Australia Scout or mercury 12v Lithium battery.
The Scout is a 300ah lithium battery the Mercury is 330ah lithium battery.
Available from PowerPaul Australia Facebook page. PM Paul and he will help you out with a suitable battery.
The battery are compact. Not much larger than a standard battery.
@@PhilsCampingReviews Thanks Phil, will check it out today.
Sounds like size is not an indicator of amps in lithium batteries?
@@PhilsCampingReviews Ps. Loved your pizza short.
Great video thanks Phil, do you think this would be suitable for one of the cheap battery boxes you can pick up from Kings as a better alternative to an AGM for simple weekend camping trips?
I’m not sure, I’ve not seen the kings battery box. There is a supplier where I live. I can go check it out next time I’m up town.
@@PhilsCampingReviews Please don’t go to any trouble :)
Great video mate! What battery would you recommend for 60L Engel fridge/freezer?
The Itechworld 120X or a Amptron lithium would be ideal.
I understand you might be talking about David Dash from Adelaide; he has got at least the starting battery as a Lithium from dcs.
Yep that is probably him.
Good job mate
Thanks James
Hi Phil great Video enerdrive Lithium batteries come with a 5 years warranty
A lot of lithium battery's have started to increase the warranty.
Battery I'm using today has 6 years warranty.
Hi Phil, I purchased 2 itechworld 120 amp lithium’s for my caravan.
Also got there 40 amp charger.
With my 300 watt inverter I ran the aircon for 4 hours on those batteries using 400 watt solar panels on a sunny day.
Lithium definitely is the way of the future!
How many amps does the air con draw from the batteries?
@@PhilsCampingReviews took the batteries down to 20% over the 4 hours.
Just wanted to see if it was possible to run the aircon.
@@bellajess100 about 40 amp draw if my maths are correct.
@@PhilsCampingReviews yes Phil it’s something like that.
I only have a 30 amp solar controller so 380 watts maximum.
Was getting up to 20 amps coming in with full sun.
@@bellajess100 I’ve pushed my single 120X to 175 amps for 20 seconds. I had 140 amps draw on it recently for 15 minutes before the battery started to overheat and it was not a hot day.
Still, not bad for a single 120X. I don’t think you will get any better with 2 or more parallel together. Limit on the BMS I heard.
Good luck with your decision Phil
Not a easy decision. I'm still undecided which of the two to go for. Think i will call the two on monday and ask questions.
Hi Phil, from Sydney sent by Startrack is 100 dollars back to there factory. luv the videos
That’s a lot of money. Hence why I like to find a supplier nearby not on the other side of the country.
@@PhilsCampingReviews It was a lot of money to be honest, Very true which way did you end up going as im still in two minds which way to go...?
@@carlevangelou1682 I purchased the Itechworld 120X because it was on sale and when I phoned them, they told me that they would pay for freight back to them if anything happens to battery, but I've since found this is not true. As your aware, this was a major point for me. Otherwise I would have purchased a battery closer to where I live.
@@PhilsCampingReviews Awesome glad you found something, well they are a awesome bit of gear i have there 3000 watt inverter and i cant fault it.
👍
Thanks for the comparison. Are you still happy with the iTech 120x? Especially with your induction cooktop?
Yes, the battery works well with the induction cooktop. Just keep the induction cooktop under 1300 watts
@@PhilsCampingReviews thanks for the update. And do you still recommend the induction cooktop that you have? Did you try the cheaper Westinghouse single for example? I’m saving and researching, hoping to buy the bits by spring camping season. If you do compare yours to readily available ones like Breville single or Westinghouse single I’d like to know what you find; and please comment on how noisy (or quiet) yours is. 🙏
Hi Phil great review. do you have a discount code for the itec 120x ? you don't mention it anywhere thanks
Sorry. I don't have a discount code.
Nothing against other brands but i too did a crap tonne of research on lithium before biting the bullet and went Itech world 100ah, never once had an issue, charges fast. The only thing id like on the Itech batteries is bluetooth, but that can be handled by other means.
In all honesty thou, so long as the engine runs every few weeks or you have solar, you wont hurt a lithium if you buy the right unit.
Went not in use it just sit there doing nothing and is always ready to go when i need it. Even after sitting for 1 year, i top it up before a trip and at worst it take 5mins to fully charge with a max 9amp solar.
In all honesty thou, so long as the engine runs every few weeks or you have solar, you wont hurt a lithium if you buy the right unit.
i cant wait for the under bonnet solutions to work good (not there just yet), this will help alot of folks close to GVM
I'm not a fan of the itechworld battery's. After owning one for over a year. I will never touch one again.
Great review....Peace
Thank You
We have dcs batteries, based on some very good and sincere reviews originally from Stefan Fischer (I think this is the guy you were potentially referring??). He looked into various lithium batteries, and remarked that DCS were the the only company that were happy for Stephan to see inside the battery box, (I-Tech, Revolution, and even Enerdrive were not prepared to do this!). Stephan anyway noted how good the internals on the DCS appeared; high build standard. I live in Qld, and liked that DCS were fairly locally based, as opposed to other batteries based interstate. We have DCS 2 X 100 a/h and 1 X 200 a/hr - and so far, so good, although we do not use them under the bonnet. DCS, I think for the quality, appeared not too badly priced either. Cheers They attract many top reviews; I was initially keen on I-tech, but was genuinely put off, by reviewers, whom after having problems with their Itech batteries, complained customer service was very bad (although this might be something that could change), at the time of purchase, I was happy to go with DCS. They are always good to deal with; explaining things well.
Thanks Anne for commenting, DCS was my preferred battery out of those choices at the time. In the end it came down to budget, The Itechworld 120X went on sale for $820 delivered to my door.
That's the option I went for. I am still using that battery. Overall. I'm finding it not a bad battery. Although when I purchased I thought I was purchasing a 120 ah battery. Turns out they are not 120 they are 105ah battery's. I'm far from happy about that.
I plan to film another video soon similar to this one when I'm ready to upgrade my battery. DCS is still in the list.
Be aware that Stephan has now withdrawn his endorsement of DCS under the bonnet. I relied on his recommendation 3 years ago....and I think he may be right, ca[pacity has diminished beyond the manufacturer's representations. I now have my 2 x 75 Ah DCS under bonnet system under close surveillance.
Thanks for your response. I do note, that more recently I became aware of Stephan's poor experiences using the DC's batteries under the bonnet (where even after 3 replacements of battery, specific testing,showed a significant demise in battery life, and in a very short timeframe.
My own family have invested fairly heavily in the purchase of these batteries, which continue to work fine, although, not in an under bonnet situation. Ideally, it would be good to subject them to this specific testing that Stephan refers, to see if even using these batteries in a non under bonnet situation their longevity is still an issue.
Whilst I think some people have put lithium batteries under their bonnets for space saving reasons as well, my husband and I just could not justify this, e.g cost of lithium battery is way more expensive than traditionally cranking lead acid, which both starts a car just fine and lasts a long time at a fraction of the cost to lithium. Of course, we have a little camper trailer, thus are not constricted to a car. Hearing Stephan's less than ideal experience is very disappointing, and I struggle to understand why a business would recommend putting their products under the bonnet without all the necessary testing beforehand.
We had been keen to buy more batteries from DC's, but at this stage, remain uncertain as to what DCS will do from here. If the real issue is used under the bonnet, can you remove your batteries and use them elsewhere in your vehicle and put a lead acid one under bonnet instead? All the best
I can now confirm that my 2 underbonnet 75Ah DCS batteries - installed in June 2020, so now out of the 3 year warranty period- now measure a total of 65% when fully charged.
I propose to revert to lead acid plus DCDC charger under bonnet- that will cost me less than half the cost of replacing the lithium with like.
I will install a 120Ah slimline lithium in the rear to run the fridge and lights.
great vid
Thanks.
Check the warranty, some state with using standard charger ( non lithium) it can affect the warranty...
Agree with you there. I would never use a charger that's not lithium compatible, despite what battery sellers claim.
I'm using lithium compatible chargers.
I have a 75ah dcs under the bonnet. One cell failed after 18 months, it was quickly replaced under warranty, however I had to pay the shipping
I also have 2 120 itech batteries in the back of the vehicle that have never failed. They are great but I would not recommend under the bonnet
I am now using a PowerPaul Australia 12v Mercury 330ah lithium battery.
I did have the itechworld battery. Used it for a year. I found the specs given on this battery was not true. I thought it was a 120ah battery to find it was a 105ah battery. And the claimed 175ah continuous draw was not true.
@@PhilsCampingReviews Phil
I hear you, I thought it was 120AH usable but after reading the specs it’s 105AH
They weren’t lying however they certainly got their fair share of flack
They have since redeemed themselves and actually produce a 120X Pro that actually has over 120AH usable in the same size unit.
Itech now have a huge market share and as a result you will hear more negatives
Fortunately I work 5 minutes drive from them in WA so I can easily knock their door down
I’ve purchased a lot of their gear with no issues, they duck for cover when I walk in as they brace themselves for the verbal onslaught of freebies i demand, it certainly pays off 😜
I have the kings 200 amp under a grand now in 2023. It's a champ. 2021 lithium price fark mate $$$$$
Yeah. Big money back in 2021. There are better cheaper options today.
Those specs you read out about the itech are huge , maybe to good to be true . Like you said why is the warranty only 3 years if the pecs are really that good .
Yep, that's it. Why only 3 year warranty where many others are starting to offer 4 and 5 years.
@@PhilsCampingReviews yeah Phil big expense I understand not easy decision.
All the Enerdrive batteries have a BMS. There is no stated warranty, you should have asked.
I want to run a 10A powerboard, so that means a 3Kw inverter and enough battery discharge capacity to deliver 300A. For most brands I looked at, that meant 300Ah of batteries, I chose 2x200Ah for headroom.
Chargers are rated by current draw, so my 50A B2B charger draws 50A. It will take some time to charge 400Ah of battery from flat. However, I don't expect to flatten the batteries, ever.
Battery longevity is measured in full charge/discharge cycles. How often do you do one full cycle? I am retired, and in principle I could do a full cycle in 24Hr, but it's more likely 10-20%.20% sometimes. Unless I buy an induction stovetop from IKEA. The cheap one.
Some of the batteries I skip discharge at 50% capacity, I would have needed 600Ah of one of those.
I've never gone down to 0 percent charge. Lowest I been down to is about 35%
The average discharge is 50%.
@@PhilsCampingReviews It's not the capacity that is the problem, it's the current the battery supplies. I need 300A to supply my inverter. Ideally, a bit of headroom too. I might never discharge beyond 50Ah, but I still need those amps for a kitchen kettle plus almost anything else.
Ok Phil, where do we get the great deal on the DCS batteries. I am on the Gold Coast.
Go see Eddie’s Auto Marine near the harbour town shopping centre. Tell him Phill from Bundy sent you. He should be able to give discount on the 200amp.
I have not checked for a while though.
How are your itech batterys going? Looking at getting 3 of them myself
Very good, no issues so far. Apart from it gets to hot if you push more than 150 amps. Keep under 150 and all good.
Im in the process of checking all connections and renewing some to make sure there is no resistance and ruling that out for a reason.
They claim it should handle 175 amps continuously
Loving the videos Phil. Do you have an updated discount code for ITech? Buying some kit form them after watching your video. Keep the video's up, great work
Mrbuck10 will get you 10% off
Itechworld has no stock of the 120X till the end of the month. Another very good alternative is DCS systems based at the Gold Coast QLD
@@PhilsCampingReviews Thanks Phil, going for the 200ah. thanks for the code as well
@@PhilsCampingReviews when I apply your code at checkout at Itech work I only get $17 off the $899?
I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed, but that doesn’t add up?
@@jeffgibson7528 Not my code. Someone else’s code. I don’t have any codes. They had chosen not to deal with me.
Only doing you a favour by searching other TH-camrs codes.
I watched a new video the last few days where a guy mentioned a code that works with the current discount.
See if I can find it.
Enercore clear case batteries are good too
👍 I’m not familiar with that brand Lithium.
Hi Phil, mate have you had any experience or know anything about the ZEAL range of lithium battery from BM-PRO ? Cheers Mark
Sorry. I have not seen that battery or looked into it.
Thanks for the reply Phil .
Mate, very good video. However you should look at the DCS Dual Battery System. 2 x 90a batteries wired in Parallel to give you 180ah total. 1 of the batteries has a built in Solar MPPT... I have had this system in my LC76 for 5 Months now... I have a 120w solar panel and a Bushman Fridge. Batteries have never been below 70%
DCS was my preferred battery. Budget was the deciding factor in the end. The Itechworld 120X came up on sale, but that was not the main reason I went for the Itechworld.
You would have heard my concerns with warranty claims if needed. It was most important that the warranty procedure was easy for me.
So I phoned itechworld just before I made the decision and they informed me that if I needed to claim warranty that they will cover costs in getting the battery sent back to them.
For this reason and the sale I purchased the itechworld battery.
I’ve since found out that this is not the case, I was lied to on the phone. I’ve not made any claims but I now know many that have and they all had to pay to get the battery back to them.
I will not support a company that lies to get a sale. Hence why I never talk about the battery in any of my videos
@@PhilsCampingReviews Look in to the claims of "australian" sourced lithium, Aussie designs etc. They come from alibaba and are sold under a number of brands around the world. The closest to "ausie" was when they used to use bunnings silicon to glue the lids on LOL
@@VEOPengineering bagging out the competition again I see.
Well done.
@@r.i.pr.i.p4516 Just stating facts. Do some research.
So which did you go for? I'm currently looking to upgrade also.
I ended up going for the itechworld because of the price.
But I've since sold that and now own a 330ah lithium battery.
I'm going to film a 2nd part to this video soon. There are better options out there now.
You must have a good money tree growing at your place Phil? 😂
I wish
Phil. You haven’t found Big Wei Battery? Check em out. South Brisbane
Never heard of them.
@@PhilsCampingReviews I think you out to check them out. Great quality. Amazing prices. Big Wei Battery. Google it. Slacks creek. Cheers.
Hiya Phil, recently watched you video as I am looking to upgrade my existing battery box. great reviews. Have got prices for the DCS 110 and Itech 120, although by the time you have bought battery boxes for these and possibly DCDC charger, it starts to add up. Am now considering the Lithium Battery Box from Kickass which has 120 batt, 25amp DCDC / MPPT. Have you any experience with the Kickass. I note that they do offer 5 year warranty. Cheers Malcolm
Kickass are a good brand. The lithium pack in question I think is limited in it's continuous discharge. If you plan to only run a fridge and charge phones, It will work, but if you want to run a induction cooktop you will need to purchase a lithium that's suitable.
Remember one thing, a Lithium battery is a long term investment, You might say now, like many others do, I'm not ever going to use an induction cooktop or a little air fryer, In 5 years time, You might be wanting to run those items.
@@PhilsCampingReviews Thank you, it's difficult to decide. I have now noted that the Baintech 110 slimline has a built in dcdc, and 5 year warranty. Not the cheapest but looks good quality.
Cheers
@@malcolmdraycott9273 There are some very good options out there that will run a air con, induction cooktops etc, but there pricey.
@@malcolmdraycott9273 Check out Bluetti They have a 2000w pack.
@@malcolmdraycott9273 If you are looking for a pack all in one. I don't think you can get any better than the bluetti.
Phil, You are a really nice guy but you must take lots of care in reading Spec. sheets. All Li batteries have BMS (battery management systems ) installed. I was looking over your shoulder as you were talking and BMS was mentioned on every sheet. On one battery spec sheet on the very last line was an asterix and the words Not suitable for engine cranking . interesting due to the fact that all the other specs hinted at engine start ability. Some of the charging abilities are controlled by the alternator regulator set voltage. 14.4-14.9v is the preferred voltage range but there plenty of cars out there that may only have 13.8 v available resulting in the battery never fully charged. Not a matter of just taking longer, but not sufficient voltage to get up there where it needs to be.
Regarding questions about warrantee and who pays what, a simple phone call to all the suppliers can clear up any doubts, and I'm sure that they will give you something in writing to give you the confidence to buy from them. Most of us can make a call anywhere in Aus for the cost of a local call. If not then you can always contact the sellers on their web site. No cost! To complicate things for the buyer, there is so many new technologies. Li ion (Not real safe in Automotive applications) LiPO4 (currently most of the new stuff ) and Li Titanite ( Greatest thing since sliced bread) Fire safe, best temp. range, 3.2v per cell , high charging and discharging rates for automotive applications.
Looking through other TH-cams, there are people knocking this or that brand, but quite often the problems that appear are caused by lack of knowledge and understanding of the needs of the battery and the needs of the application, and all chemistry have maximums and minimums when it comes to overcharge, undercharge, DOD (depth of discharge.) You can't take them down 100% DOD, around 90% is usually ok. Read the spec for your battery. Sorry I've rambled so long but as the costs are so high that you need all the facts . Regards, Peter Smith Retired Electronics Tech.⚡
Not true, not all Lithiums have BMS built in, some you purchase without a BMS, you buy the BMS separately and is mounted separate to the battery, Victron energy is one example.
Not all BMS indicate the cell voltages, which I think is critical to know.
I would never connect a lithium straight though a starter battery, always connect through a DCDC charger
And in regards to I warranty info, I did in deed phoned the battery seller or manufacturer, some of the jnfo given to my by one manufacturer was a lie so to get a sale
14.9 is a bit to high a charge rate in my opinion, I don't agree with you there, 14.4 is the Max I would use.
My lithium BMS shuts down at 15 volts or above, 14.9 is to high and risks a BMS shut down
Cars with smart alternators. The ones that Max out at 13.5 volts. You use a DCDC charger that has the smart alternator feature.
I'm also a tech by trade
A good BMS will protect from over current, under Voltage, over voltage etc.
I mostly agree with you. But some points I wanted to point out,
Yes, 90% discharge Max I agree.
I made my own battery from eve cells and a Daly bms 280ah for $1200 with a homemade case it is not much bigger than a 100ah agm
That's what I want to do, Going to look into making my own battery.
What’s the discount code for the 20% please Phil?
FB20
@@PhilsCampingReviews thanks Phil
That code doesn't work is there a new code ?
which one did you end up with Phil, im looking to buy one in Perth this week around the 100ah- 120ah
Went with the Itechworld 120X. I’m still using it now.
@Phil's Camping & Touring thanks Phil , I have watched so many vids now and thinking I'll go the same as yours. I run two 40l engle fridges and maybe some lights at night when camping. Hopefully that will enough juice combined with day solar charging.
@@79series Check out lithium battery wholesaler there in Perth. There on Facebook. They have a 150a lithium with 200amp continuous discharge and a Bluetooth BMS for $899
@@79series facebook.com/lithiumbatterywholesaler/
@@PhilsCampingReviews hi Phil, thanks for the detailed review. Just wondering what battery box would be best for the Itechworld 120X please?
What about hardkorr batteries?
Have not looked into them. I will check the specs, and if they have the features, I will add it to the list for the next video
Or did you get the 200 ah, not the 120x?
Got the 120X. Was advised against the 200ah they sell because of the cells used.
@@PhilsCampingReviews Thanks for that detail. Wasn’t sure which way to go. Am thinking of getting an induction cooktop and noted your battery overheats when using induction with 150 A continuous draw, so am a bit worried by that. Should I be?
@@surfinwaves4769 Ive added a Victron distributor last week to minimise the cables on the terminals. I will test to see if that makes a difference on the temp at 150 ah draw.
Enerdrive is a 5 year warranty, better than a lot of other companies in Australia
Today, they offer 5 years. but not at the time.
I have an enerdrive epro plus that I used to use. Just days out of warranty, the buttons for the menu, etc, failed. Nothing happens when I press the buttons.
They refused to provide any support.
It needs the screen replaced
So. I purchased the victron. Best move I've ever done.
Victron also has Bluetooth connectivity. Enerdrive don't.
That’s unfortunate. How long was the warranty at the time? Victron is high quality gear and seems to be universally well reviewed.
I’m just about to update my batteries and have decided to go with two of the new updated Hardkorr lithium 100aH. I’ve had excellent experience with other gear from them and I like that they openly discuss the design and drawings of what’s inside. I’ve searched and cannot find a single drawing or picture of the inside of an Enerdrive battery…
@Dave Evans Yes very unfortunate for them. But fortunate for me. As this experience I had with their support at the time turned me off enerdrive. Hence why I also decided to purchase the victron shunt. Look at my setup now. Just about all victron. All started from that experience.
@Dave Evans so in the end. They did me a favour. That's the way I look at it now.
Back then. They offered a 2 year warranty if I recall.
Do you know much about amptron
Not really. I have not seen one.
Enerdrive since they have to meet tough specs
They are a good battery but no way I would buy one. Read the specs and you will see why.
Unfortunately Phil the ITech has only about 95a/h over 12.3 volts . I have 3 and none of them give out more. The Renogy 100a/h puts out 103 a/h above 12.3 amps...much better value.
Most that I’ve heard are getting 105 amps out of them. You lost some capacity in yours.
I been saying this all along, many think there buying a 120 amp battery, in reality its a 105 amp battery.
Some sneaky marketing going on here. You look at the recommended setup specs they suggest, for example configuration for a Victron BMV 712 battery monitor. They say set battery size to 120 amp. And set discharge floor to 12%. I think this is where they are getting away with calling it a 120 amp battery.
The Renogy 100ah lithium battery has a max charge rate of 50ah and continuous discharge of 100ah.
I think the itechworld 120X is better value over the Renogy 100ah.
You would not be able to run a induction cooktop or small air fryer on the renogy, it will continuously shut down on you.
Why get a battery thats throttled so much? Lithium are expensive compared to AGM, lithium is a long term investment.
You want to future proof your purchase so in 2 or 3 years you dont have to buy another battery because the battery you purchased has a low discharge rate and slow charge rate
@@PhilsCampingReviews So the Itech is $900 on special. The Renogy is $700 ON SPECIAL. Straight away your getting a lot more amp per dollar value. As regards using an induction cooker...I use gas as I go camping not glamping and forget about coffee machines or hairdryers...I,ll leave that for the urbanites. Vast majority of people wouldnt pull 100a/h at all. If you need to get a 170a/h Renogy at $980 ( almost same price as a 120 Itech but close to double useable a/h. As I said ..I have 3 x 120Itechs but value for money is definitely Renogy. In reality all 3 are just 100a/h batteries.
@@iandickinson342 i wouldn’t buy a lithium if it could not handle at least 175 ideally 200 amps continuous discharge.
For a start the wiring will be thicker and safer. I hear of so many of these cheap batteries catching on fire because of the thin wires used and mediocre bms.
I have iTechWorld 120x batteries Phil
I have the ITech 120 and it’s great. Runs Engel 24/7 in car. Runs ARB double no worries. Running Victron mppt, dcdc & 712 Shunt. Have run it dead flat a few times by accident. Always just comes back once in the sun again.
I want to go for 200 amps. i think I could than do away with a solar panel. What I might consider is getting two 120 amps and join them together.
No BMS in the enerdrive? Huh?
Pretty sure they do have a BMS.
All lithium have a bms is has no bluetooth built in thats why its cheaper
ITechworld YOU have to pay to send it back and there is long winded procedure to complete it. Our new caravan has a 200Ah lithium, the brand is Solar King installed after being told a Enerdrive battery was unavailable. The Solar King can’t run a 2000w inverter. Now I will have to find something else. What a bugger.
I heard the same from others having to pay for postage back with warranty claims.
One major requirement for me at the time when I was shopping around was warranty procedures and who pays freight.
With Itechworld being in WA and I’m in QLD the other side of the country, might as well be another country. If they not covered postage costs for warranty claims I was going to look elsewhere.
So I called them and was told that I would not have to pay for freight if a warranty claim was made. They will cover the cost.
For That reason and the sale on at the time I purchased the 120X
I don’t know what’s going on now. Because they appear to backflip on what I was told on the phone.
Not to many Lithiums out there that will handle a 2000 watt inverter. You really have to do your research. Not even the Itechworld 120X will handle a 2000w inverter.
I own a 1600w Victron inverter and it can’t handle that. Most I would use on a Itechworld 120X is 1300 watts inverter.
The DCS can handle the 2000w inverter. I think off all the batteries I’ve considered the DCS is the best.
Since I’ve filmed this, there are other lithium batteries serviced in the market that will handle a 2000w inverter but you have to search for them.
A good one just released from Amptron. It’s claimed to handle 175 amps continuous and it’s only $975.00. I think at this stage it’s the best valued lithium in Australia. It should handle your 2000w inverter. Available from Perth Pro. But make sure it’s the right one , they have another one that looks the same a little cheaper that can’t handle much more than what your solar king can.
@@PhilsCampingReviews I’ll probably end up buying the ITechworld 200ah when they come back in stock in late February. That Solar King battery is one to watch for. Looking at the specs of any lithium battery is crucial if you want to run an inverter.
@@biglap.australia good choice. I was wanting to get the 200 amp at the time but itechworld talked me out of it. They told me the 120X is better because it had prismatic cells whereby the 200 amp is of older technology.
I wished I went for my original plan to get the 200 amp now. I think it would handle my 1600w inverter a lot better than the 120X
@@biglap.australia but. If you want something that will 100% work with your system than go for the DCS 200amp.
I know it costs more. But in this case you get what you pay for.
Sometimes it’s best to hold off a bit longer, save up and get something that you know will work especially if you want to start using a induction cooktop.
I’m pretty sure itech world pays for the postage for returns
I found a downloadable user menu for the 120 amp Lithium on there website and there is a few pages at the end on the warranty. It's says you have to pay to get battery shipped to them for warranty in the manual.
@@PhilsCampingReviews I recently had a problem with a inverter and they where happy to sent me a prepaid return parcel . It mite be different for battery’s ???
I would stay away from any lithium ion battery that is not LiFePO4!
True. Very much so. Only use LifePO4
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Kings 120 ah LIFEPO4 battery on sale over boxing day for $399 . All reports say they are a good battery . Hard to justify spending over a grand for a battery now. More spent doesnt necessarily mean better quality ....The majority are all made in China
All depends what you want to power. But the Kings certainly are a good buy. I would get a king over a itecheorld any day
Under know Eva use a lithium battery that has more than one cell without a BMS
I’ve never used a lithium with no BMS
my dcs is built to chrge off th alternater
Does it charge to 100% of the alternator
@@PhilsCampingReviews 98 percent then the solar panel that plugs directly into the battery finishes it off, it has a bulit in 20 amp 80 volt mmpt charger and is designed to live under the hood . you dont really need to get 100 percent anyway,
@@PhilsCampingReviews th-cam.com/video/VWvWIHU-f6w/w-d-xo.html
@@PhilsCampingReviews so that means no need for a dcdc charger or mmpt or any of the wiring that goes with it , all you accesories simply go thru a battery protect solondoid that will shut down the accessories when charge is down to a selected parameter via blutooth.
even with 2 percent charge they will still turn your engine over. ,they are australian owned and made and will not fail unlike the prismatic cells of the other brands, they are also safer and thermal runaway is limited due to each cell only holding one amp insteat of 1/4 of the bateery capacity
. they are simply the best money can buy.
@@damienfrizzell9394 The DCS was one of the battery’s I considered a year ago, to be honest if i had the funds back than I would have purchased the 200a DCS.
Ive heard great things about them.
I’ve actually considered approaching DCS and see if they would be interested in working with me and come up with some sort of a deal in exchange for me promoting there battery on my TH-cam channel.
Problem is. I dont think I have enough subscribers yet for these companies to take me serious.
Si my plans are to get 10,000 + subscribers, than approach them.
But that looks like will take a very long time to achieve
Enerdrive is 5 years warranty.
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What you said about Enerdrive 100 a/h batteries not having a BMS is rubbish, no they dont have a BLUETOOTH BMS…… but definately have a BMS….. i dont think you really understand the functionality of a BMS in general. I work in the industry, so i definately do.
I'd have to watch this and see if I did mention the Enerdrive does not have a BMS. I don't believe you.
I probably said it don't have a Bluetooth BMS.
And your last comment. I have nothing to say there apart from. ROFLMAO
@@PhilsCampingReviews you wouldn’t know shit from clay👍🏼
100 amp agm do not weigh 45 kg as shown at 5:00
where did I mention a 100a agm weighs 45kg?
I never said that. however a screen shot shows a 160a agm weighs 45kg. I agree with this. agm of that size would easily weigh 45kg
Why not try lithium battery system
That's what all these are. Lithium.
@@PhilsCampingReviews no lithium battery systems the company based in Brisbane LBS
@@michelemichelsson4867 Oh. LOL. I will check them out online.
Because they're priced $300 to $400 too much compared to the competition relative to specifications
don't buy battery, build it. you can have it for fraction of the price, if you know how. it's not that difficult.
I’m looking into building my own battery, do you have any suggestions?
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Mate there's no real world review here. Your just going by what the sites say and a lot of those specs are rubbish
Yeah, there all over exaggerated.
Yeah nah, Itechworld is as dodgy as they come. Its well documented they lie about their battery specs and their after sales service is pathetic.
Agree. I did not know this at the time of filming.
I found out quickly after purchase.