People have always hated on this car from day one. -Needs more power (did) -Needs a turbo (nope) -It's really a Subaru (so) -torque dip (good now) -You can buy an Ecoboost! (don't let me stop ya!) -It's no Miata! (average Miata is sold to a 60 something yr old) -It's slower than a minivan. (no minivan is faster) -Useless backseat. (who needs friends) -It's too slow for the money. (nothing cheaper is faster) What did I forget?
Took me 4 minutes to gather this information online. Do your research. The 2024 Honda Odyssey can accelerate from 0 to 60 miles per hour in about 6.5 seconds The 2024 Toyota Sienna can go from 0 to 60 miles per hour in as little as 7.6 seconds The 2024 Chrysler Pacifica can go from 0 to 60 miles per hour (mph) in 7.3 seconds The 2024 Kia Carnival can go from 0 to 60 mph in 7.0 to 7.5 seconds
@ Big dog, I think he is saying what people who are just saying outlandish statements in the community. We know a minivan isn't faster but funny enough it doesnt stop people from saying it is lol.
I'm 64 sorry, I bring the average owner age way up... Count out 6 seconds, you're going 60 mph, higher than 90% of street speed limits... how many are even going to track this car? I owned a 3.5 second motorcycle, I experienced that quickness maybe a dozen times in 100,000 miles, it's so brutally fast most people wouldn't tolerate it... HP gives you top speed, Torque gives you quickness... the 86 is just so perfectly balanced, power and weight. No car will ever satisfied 100% of the population, there will always be haters...
@@joekagerer sir I agree, that’s one thing I continuously say in my videos is that most people who complain about hp never even use the one that they have in their Corolla that they will trade in to get this car.
I have a GR86, and it's a fantastic car for the price! I dont take it to the track and use it as a daily, sometimes chasing some curvy mountain roads. It puts a smile on my face every time i get in.
The people who say this car needs more power are the demographic we don't want to be driving this car anyway. Let them hate. They either don't know how to actually drive a car fast, take their car to takeovers, or they don't even have their license yet LOL. The real car enthusiast knows.
@@faikerdogan2802 on my worst day I get like 25mpg, and also keep in mind that just because you may drive it one way that may seem slow doesn’t mean others can’t be way faster in it. This car shows you the driver you are and where your weaknesses are.
Naw. I love mine to death but after driving it for over a year modified, the lack of power gets old quicks. Granted I’m stationed in NM so higher elevation to what I’m used to and the lack of curvy roads here just makes the car feel like it’s begging for a turbo which is what I’m probably gonna do just to get around 300hp. But in the backroads yea this car is perfect just not might be perfect for everyone depending on where they live.
just want to say your one of the channels which helped me decide to buy a manual 2024 brz which i got 3 weeks ago. It was stressful at first learning manual but its definitely worth it and have no regrets. Such a fun car
I appreciate that so much. I always tell people who ask me questions about this car that they will not be disappointed. I am glad you are enjoying your car.
Glad you got manual. The 1st car I bought was Fierro GT with a slanted H pattern. I stalled it 10 x’s trying to get it home. But like you 1 month later got the hang of a manual. I can’t go without 3 pedals. I traded in Alfa Romeo to get a 3rd pedal back.
Great car for Touge / Track / Autocross enthusiast. Outside of that, it will be hard for non car people or even tourists to understand how great the car is. Unfortunately due to social media there's an entire generation of car tourists that exist who were raised to believe "power" is everything. No point in getting bent out of shape or even trying to educate that type. There are those of us who understand and would buy this car, and there are those who will not. To each their own. Good video.
The people genuinely hating on this car just doesn’t understand what it is and they’re most likely the type of people that don’t use the cars they own for what they’re made for Asking for niceties on a 30k sports car is kinda crazy
I have one as a daily and have gotten nothing but compliments. Most the hate is from people who’ve never driven them or are spoiled with cars that cost over double what the GR86 does.
I test drove it, loved it. It doesn’t need anymore power, it has the right amount where it’s fast enough but not so fast where you can’t wring it out and have fun. The only changes I would ask for is a better interior design and materials, better sound system, a nicer sound to the engine and maybe slightly better fuel economy.. 28 mpg combined would be nice given the light weight and 2.4 L engine. But that that’s just nitpicking, it’s near perfect.
So idk how much of it was driving style. But I found that with the ts or gr stabilizer panel, installed to flush [ you aren’t supposed to as it will scrub your trunk] I got 32-34 mpg. Now that I have it sitting where it’s supposed to bc.. it scrubbed my trunk… I’m getting around 28-29 again. So definitely some improvement can be made in the mpg department with a little aero experimenting.
Nothing wrong with nitpicking for what you want, but with what it offers out the box to me is amazing!!! especially if you can grab this for under 30k slightly used.
That surprised me the first time hearing in the States, you learn to drive manual by grinding experience points. "Wait! You guys really don't know how to drive a stick?!" The rest of the west, it is a separate licence catagory or you can't drive stick shift.
It is because Subaru and Toyota aren't warranting the defective oil pickup tube issue, causing engine failures! Also, the manual trans 2nd gear are weak. Subaru Toyota will not warranty these defective weak points on their cars.
5.4 seconds 0-60 as tested...not slow. It's a corner carver. It's not a drag warrior. Learn to drive it on track. It won't cost 28k if it were forced induction or have the luxuries you'd want. That's not the point of the car. It's a great value for what you get.
I think a lot of the complaints about this car is due to the commonly reported issues. Powertrain, oil starvation, etc - which happen to be costly to repair/replace. I've read on forums that the warranty is voided after 7200rpms and that Toyota in general are making it difficult for owners.
You may have a point on for some owners that are going through the wringer in order to get Toyota or Subaru to do their job in helping the costumer. IMO I think some of the hate is overblown and is unwarranted. Thank you for your opinion though this is the feedback I like because I value others point of views even if we differ.
@iManual6peed , no probs. I usually take what's written on forums with a pinch of salt, but there does seem to be a general consensus in regard to warranty refusal. Some even mentioning that Toyota charged them for diagnosing issues while their car was under warranty and paying them labour costs. I do like the car, and I'm still considering buying. No car is perfect mechanically, but Toyota just seem to be awkward to reason with from what I'm reading. Great handling and looking cars.
This is exactly what made me trade my gr86 in, I don't have time to be dealing with that bs. I like to drive a sports car like a sports car. Some guy last month blew his 22 brz and subaru denied his warranty claim as well. Like huh?? Fuck that
@ I wonder if the guy who blew his engine thrashed the car or modded it. I believe I track the car more than most and also daily drove over 42k. From what I see it’s only a few people have had issues. The masses will never track this car and therefore shouldn’t experience any issues.
@iManual6peed car was bone stock with only 6300 miles. Engine failed at a HPDE track event. He was driving back into the lot at 30 mph and boom engine took a shit. Almost sounds like misha case, misha tracked his gr86 and one day he was just driving it normal and then the engine took a shit. I'd be very careful bro, I hope you did some modifications like the oil baffle kit to help prevent oil starvation. Just know if you blow the car up toyota will pull the data logs to check your driving behavior.
As a GR86 owner, i can honestly say i love the community around this car. ONLY those that "get it" GET IT! I have NO problem if Edgar haired Ricers and/or Egotripped hellcat muscle heads ignore these cars. This car is for those that get it.
Looking at the 86 for a new purchase the design keeps catching my eyes if I wanted to haul a$$ I would have kept my scat with mods. No matter how much money someone puts in their ride there will always be someone out there faster.
Don’t sweat the learning too much. In 2 weeks you’ll be average & 1 month in it’ll be 2nd nature. I had zero experience when a bought a Fierro GT with f’n slanted H pattern. I stalled at least 10 x’s trying to get home. 1 month later I was fine. It is worth it for manual. The extra interactions and control of rev range make experience 10x’s better. I traded an Alfa Romeo for that 3rd pedal. You’ll love these cars.
I’m 52 so unfortunately I raised the avg age but I’ll swear by this car! I traded in an Alfa Romeo Guilia Ti for ‘22 BRZ. I turned down a ‘12 Mustang CS & ‘23 Mustang GT from my mom. My brother is hinting I can get his C8 for whatever I sell my Subie for. I’m leaning to saying no. They are all faster but none give the feels or have that fun personality that I look for. I don’t want to bore anyone else with the short novel of Y but if asked… Basically nothing is more pure than sub 3000 lbs. with exception of S2K & Porsche no other lightweight car have the power to make that aspect fun. So I use to go sports car to muscle car & back. This is the car I’ve looked for my entire life. Will buy another unless I have Emira $
facts... i try to keep it under 80% because I'm a reasonable person who doesn't go to the track but in 6 months of ownership I'm in love this is the best value in the car market atm. People are sleeping on it. If they sleep too hard it may get discontinued due to lack of sales. Go buy one rich kids it's slow enough your parents wont bat an eye and literally the most fun you can have in a car that realistically can be a daily.
i am a new owner of.2024 gr86 permium trim with brembos amd sachs. I don't like it because 1. RTV issue ( non issue yes but still.keeps.playing on my mind) 2. Road noise is crap. 3. Very uncomfortable ride 4. Interior is from 2014. 5. I miss the space of a regular car The good things 1. it IS fast. 230 hp is quite enough given the weight of thr car 2. Looks great gets the attention 3. Handling is amazing i got it for 28k USD brand new employee discount as i work for the dealer in my country. So good price but i am planning to sell it off within a year. Pretty sure i will be able to recovee my money since it will be mantained by the dealer and has 100k km warranty and is the top trim. I also think the car isnt for me because ill never take it to track not really a track person.
Well if a my rebutt the interior reasoning. The Cayman 718 has the exact same layout which is why Toyota & Subaru went with it I think. It’s simple yet effective. Having a IPAD on the dash wouldn’t have made it better. Road noise sure but what other car at this price point is significantly better? And you last point is fine, there are people who just can’t get use to a coupe but it’s nothing short of practical for one person I think it has just as much space as some compact sedans if you let the seats down. Overall I’m glad you got to try out the car, most people hate on it and never even drove it.
Not sure what's the hate on the interior. I actually loved my gr86 interior, and the ride felt great to me. Only hate this car deserves is the engine issues and warranty problems.
Ive been looking to get this car or the type r. Completely different cars but those are the two I've narrowed it down too. Only issue with this car is ive seen a lot of reports of oil stavation and blown motors.
@iManual6peed pretty much a fun and engaging driving experience. I want a car that will last me 20-25 years. Want to buy it new before everything is an ev and no more manuals. So pretty much a fun car that is also somewhat practical and realible
I really want/need a gr86, im thinking of doing a gap year for work, completely focusing on getting the gr86, put a big downpayment, so keep the monthly at a decent price
@@wrx_wes lmao the best rubber on the market for that weather. I could understand you caution on this vehicle in that weather but with tires being as good as they are now I think you would have been ok.
@iManual6peed thanks bro, the gr86 is also great. On my local touge stock for stock the gr86 is faster, the nd2 stock has horrible body roll that needs to be addressed. I hope the car treats you well 🙏
@jpf2159 im 5'10 and fit like a glove, I don't even have the seat as far back as it can go. I've owned a c6 for a few years so small interiors don't bother me. I have to admit getting in and out of the miata is a bit annoying though lol sometimes I hit my foot on the door sill. But I agree the gr86 wins in space 100%
@@geoff0707 Man good for you. I have a Mazda3 and the quality of its interior (and also that of the MIata) is hands down better than the GR86/BRZ. I so wish I didn't feel so cramped. Then again having that extra space in the Toyobaru for luggage and whatnot for trips is super nice.
@@iManual6peed Having mapping / trip planning on the entertaiment screen. I'm not tech savy . . . dealer salesman mentioned I could use cell phone to connect. hoping to drive one soon.(thanks for reply)
@@POVShotgun I somewhat agree I have heard some horror stories from some, but in my experience I have been ok. Disclaimer I also perform most of my maintenance and solve my issues on my own if I have any, I have only dealt with them a couple of times.
Its not perfect lol the thing is plauged with engine failure unless you fix it yourself bruh its what made me choose something better which is a 350z i mean i guess if a brz/Gr86 had a nissan VQ motor the De Rev-up not the HR it would be a monster the 350z is more of a gem sports car you dont even need to turbo a VQ to have fun as well
@@theanimeotaku2794 Nissan is currently in life support as we speak. The VQ is nice but far from perfect. It funny you mention Nissans VQ when they have a reputation of being a street takover car in the form of a infinity. Why would anyone go get a ran down z when they can get a far superior handling car with low miles? If you want a good example of a 370 you looking at a little over 20k. The new Z isn’t even selling because it’s on a 370z platform lol.😂
@@GameArmorGameplay S2k not fast?? I beg to differ lol you guys have to visit the track and see what a fast car really is. Most of the time its cars like 86, Miata, and S2k who out performs everyone else.
@@iManual6peed I guess 0-60 at 5.8 seconds isn't bad for an S2K. But what Toyota really needs is a fully built car in house. No more shared platforms. An AWD/RWD Celica would be welcomed.
Haters gonna hate! Just regularly check the oil, and ever so slightly overfill if going on track (i.e. 1/4-1/2 quart) and let the warranty take care of the rest. I would also make sure that oil is changed every 5000 miles. The RTV has been overblown a lot, but the oil pressure issue is legit, just needs that overfill before track days. Also, yes one should definitely wait until the engine is fully warmed up before ragging on it, but that goes for any high compression engine. The 86 has more than enough power honestly, especially for the street. You start adding turbos and superchargers to this engine and it definitely won't last as long, period! On UK roads I struggle to ever reach the limits of my GR86, if at all.
@@davidgillham6847 I appreciate your feedback this further buffers my point I think. Because I am thinking big picture more or less on what will people do when buying this car and most will drive in daily traffic and maybe hit the backroads on weekends. This car is damn near unbeatable for what you can get out of it.
The engines are terrible, Subaru is known to cheap out on their engines, and they are prone to fail. If the engines were made more relliable, they would be the best car ever for the price. All you really need is a manual car that feels sporty, and lasts. There are many cases of engine failure due to oil starvation, and leaks being caused by the manufacturer using RTV instead of gaskets to save costs. When that glue goes through hot and cold cycles, it cracks. I don't hate these cars, if they were built well, I would want to pick one up. I like the way it looks and would want one, if only it had a better engine.
The ways to get over the issues with the FA20/FA24 are already well documented. You wouldn't treat this car much different from an STI. Increase oil change intervals, add an air oil separator and oil cooler if necessary. Check oil levels frequently. Etc. The engine isn't unreliable, it's just high maintenance and is susceptible to failure if on the track without the proper prep.
This engine is one of the best engines out there. According to the stats Subaru is the most reliable car manufacturer as of today. I have had 0 issues after multiple track days and oil changes. I agree the failures that have happened are not a good look for this car, but those a few in numbers and only are happening on tracks. If you don’t plan on tracking this car it makes for a perfect daily for the price. I’m 43k miles in and over 10 track days and as long as you understand how to mitigate the shortcomings of the engine I believe you will be fine. Also there is an oil pan being made right now to fix the starvation issue. Refer to Varus engineering for this information.
@@nvirevolution2235 I appreciate the insight, you seem very knowledgable on this. Every engine has it's weaknesses. It's just not for me. I do have a friend that wanted one, I'll let him know.
@@iManual6peed Sorry for the late reply, also thanks for the information! I have a friend who really wanted one of these. I'll send the information his way.
the problem is that they market it as a sports car, give it a million problems, then sell a 2025 special addition for 40K. 2024 ECOBOOST MUSTANG is significantly more reliable, faster, interior that was made in this century, more room, can get it for 30K just like 86 with none of that. then "the people their marketing it to" try to get it boosted... uhh? why not just buy a better car if you had to money to boost a worse car? 35-40K + 10K boost or a 50K base supra?? GT mustang?? "its got nice handling" "its not made for speed" ?? crazy takes. its literally a car they sell to people like its their affordable option for a fun/daily, when its probably just gunna end up being a money sink that they don't honor the warranty for.
First, a turbocharger for this platform is 5k. So that would take you to about 37k if you bought a Base model new for around 32k or so. The Mustang eco boost is not something that is cross shopped with the GR86 because car enthusiasts would go for the real Mustang which is a GT or above. The problem with the ford is that it is significantly heavier than the 86 and doesn’t have the handling characteristics of the 86 at all. I would never advise to go for a dealer markup on any car whatsoever. Faster doesn’t mean better otherwise everyone would have Cameros and Mustangs and Miatas and 86s wouldn’t exist. The car only has one main flaw which has been documented and addressed.
@@iManual6peed its 5K + an install . most the people buying these aren't the people manually installing turbo/oil cooler themselves. ecoboost is the worse of the class above ft gt/supra/etc but since you can get eco @ 30-32K its gotta be compared to gr86 and the like, which it significantly outperforms. handling feels like a cop out when its losing so bad everywhere else. they say car enthusiast i say overhyped. base to base its no match. premium to premium its even worse. mods to mods its just "why spend all that when you coulda just got a gt/supra even a corolla if we're going to the 40-45K range"
@ i disagree, the eco boost mustang is not even close to what a GR86 offers in terms of a driving experience lol. There is a reason they are never compared to each other in videos. No one cares about a v6 mustang as much as you think. No to mention the power to weight ratio. If you look all across TH-cam right now you will see among the best driving cars the GR86 is always near the top.
It's a sports car. Just because it doesn't have 300+HP doesn't change that. If you only care about straightline speed (which is the only real point you brought up) then there are many better options then the 86/BRZ. This car is the only option for a car with the following config: FR, NA, manual, lightweight, coupe. The only other option with those requirements is the Miata, which I am much too tall for and also has no storage space to speak of. Yes the mustang is faster but you sacrifice weight, cornering, and an NA engine by chasing that. Going boosted defeats the point of this car. Which is to provide cornering performance and reward high skilled use of the basics (throttle, brake, and steering control).
@@nvirevolution2235 interior from 2009 , no reliability out of that engine at all , slower (significantly) and less room than almost all competitors in its class 35K. Like i said the only point people bring up is handling and if they just came out and said "this car is worse in every way but hey you might like turning in it" no one would buy it. the hype for this car basically just scams a bunch of random people into getting a really bad car. i almost bought one and after a test drive i realized how absolutely insane i was being thinking that car was worth it over anything else i could get.
People have always hated on this car from day one.
-Needs more power (did)
-Needs a turbo (nope)
-It's really a Subaru (so)
-torque dip (good now)
-You can buy an Ecoboost! (don't let me stop ya!)
-It's no Miata! (average Miata is sold to a 60 something yr old)
-It's slower than a minivan. (no minivan is faster)
-Useless backseat. (who needs friends)
-It's too slow for the money. (nothing cheaper is faster)
What did I forget?
@@bearclaw5115 spot on brotha!!!!! This is entirely accurate.
absolutely not. a minivan is not faster.
Took me 4 minutes to gather this information online. Do your research.
The 2024 Honda Odyssey can accelerate from 0 to 60 miles per hour in about 6.5 seconds
The 2024 Toyota Sienna can go from 0 to 60 miles per hour in as little as 7.6 seconds
The 2024 Chrysler Pacifica can go from 0 to 60 miles per hour (mph) in 7.3 seconds
The 2024 Kia Carnival can go from 0 to 60 mph in 7.0 to 7.5 seconds
@ Big dog, I think he is saying what people who are just saying outlandish statements in the community. We know a minivan isn't faster but funny enough it doesnt stop people from saying it is lol.
I definitely would like a turbo in it for sure. I think if they did add a turbo trim it would sell really well.
I'm 64 sorry, I bring the average owner age way up... Count out 6 seconds, you're going 60 mph, higher than 90% of street speed limits... how many are even going to track this car?
I owned a 3.5 second motorcycle, I experienced that quickness maybe a dozen times in 100,000 miles, it's so brutally fast most people wouldn't tolerate it...
HP gives you top speed, Torque gives you quickness... the 86 is just so perfectly balanced, power and weight. No car will ever satisfied 100% of the population, there will always be haters...
@@joekagerer sir I agree, that’s one thing I continuously say in my videos is that most people who complain about hp never even use the one that they have in their Corolla that they will trade in to get this car.
I have a GR86, and it's a fantastic car for the price! I dont take it to the track and use it as a daily, sometimes chasing some curvy mountain roads. It puts a smile on my face every time i get in.
@@Phayanarë glad to read that you are enjoying the car!!!! I feel the same way when I get behind the wheel of mine.
Me too guys I got mine last December.. 6 speed manual loving the twisty corners rowing through the gears fantastic ..
@ I am glad you enjoy the car!!! It definitely brings me joy to read other people enjoy this platform.
The people who say this car needs more power are the demographic we don't want to be driving this car anyway. Let them hate. They either don't know how to actually drive a car fast, take their car to takeovers, or they don't even have their license yet LOL. The real car enthusiast knows.
I agree with that whole heartedly.
Man comeon 20mpg for that kinda speed does really feel underpowered. It screams so much for what it drives.
@@faikerdogan2802 on my worst day I get like 25mpg, and also keep in mind that just because you may drive it one way that may seem slow doesn’t mean others can’t be way faster in it. This car shows you the driver you are and where your weaknesses are.
Naw. I love mine to death but after driving it for over a year modified, the lack of power gets old quicks. Granted I’m stationed in NM so higher elevation to what I’m used to and the lack of curvy roads here just makes the car feel like it’s begging for a turbo which is what I’m probably gonna do just to get around 300hp. But in the backroads yea this car is perfect just not might be perfect for everyone depending on where they live.
Real car enthusiast here it's underpowered ngl
just want to say your one of the channels which helped me decide to buy a manual 2024 brz which i got 3 weeks ago. It was stressful at first learning manual but its definitely worth it and have no regrets. Such a fun car
I appreciate that so much. I always tell people who ask me questions about this car that they will not be disappointed. I am glad you are enjoying your car.
Glad you got manual. The 1st car I bought was Fierro GT with a slanted H pattern. I stalled it 10 x’s trying to get it home. But like you 1 month later got the hang of a manual. I can’t go without 3 pedals. I traded in Alfa Romeo to get a 3rd pedal back.
Great car for Touge / Track / Autocross enthusiast. Outside of that, it will be hard for non car people or even tourists to understand how great the car is. Unfortunately due to social media there's an entire generation of car tourists that exist who were raised to believe "power" is everything. No point in getting bent out of shape or even trying to educate that type. There are those of us who understand and would buy this car, and there are those who will not. To each their own.
Good video.
The people genuinely hating on this car just doesn’t understand what it is and they’re most likely the type of people that don’t use the cars they own for what they’re made for
Asking for niceties on a 30k sports car is kinda crazy
@@gibsonisthename that’s what baffled me 😂
I have one as a daily and have gotten nothing but compliments. Most the hate is from people who’ve never driven them or are spoiled with cars that cost over double what the GR86 does.
@@rasundesilva6088 I agree most who have driven the car have different takes on it than others lol. I always say don’t knock it until you try it.
I just got a 24 black premium and I couldn’t be happier.
I test drove it, loved it. It doesn’t need anymore power, it has the right amount where it’s fast enough but not so fast where you can’t wring it out and have fun. The only changes I would ask for is a better interior design and materials, better sound system, a nicer sound to the engine and maybe slightly better fuel economy.. 28 mpg combined would be nice given the light weight and 2.4 L engine. But that that’s just nitpicking, it’s near perfect.
So idk how much of it was driving style. But I found that with the ts or gr stabilizer panel, installed to flush [ you aren’t supposed to as it will scrub your trunk] I got 32-34 mpg. Now that I have it sitting where it’s supposed to bc.. it scrubbed my trunk… I’m getting around 28-29 again. So definitely some improvement can be made in the mpg department with a little aero experimenting.
Nothing wrong with nitpicking for what you want, but with what it offers out the box to me is amazing!!! especially if you can grab this for under 30k slightly used.
@@walterhankin46 34mpg??? wow man thats great my best is 29 lol
I’ve seen BRZs with 35k miles for $24k. 86s are about $2k, not sure why probably just the styling.
@MonkeyPower55 could be the dealer they both should be around 25 to 28 used I think.
as a manual driver that statement about actually knowing how to drive a car hit
That surprised me the first time hearing in the States, you learn to drive manual by grinding experience points.
"Wait! You guys really don't know how to drive a stick?!"
The rest of the west, it is a separate licence catagory or you can't drive stick shift.
It is because Subaru and Toyota aren't warranting the defective oil pickup tube issue, causing engine failures! Also, the manual trans 2nd gear are weak. Subaru Toyota will not warranty these defective weak points on their cars.
5.4 seconds 0-60 as tested...not slow. It's a corner carver. It's not a drag warrior. Learn to drive it on track. It won't cost 28k if it were forced induction or have the luxuries you'd want. That's not the point of the car. It's a great value for what you get.
Exactly!
I think a lot of the complaints about this car is due to the commonly reported issues. Powertrain, oil starvation, etc - which happen to be costly to repair/replace. I've read on forums that the warranty is voided after 7200rpms and that Toyota in general are making it difficult for owners.
You may have a point on for some owners that are going through the wringer in order to get Toyota or Subaru to do their job in helping the costumer. IMO I think some of the hate is overblown and is unwarranted. Thank you for your opinion though this is the feedback I like because I value others point of views even if we differ.
@iManual6peed , no probs. I usually take what's written on forums with a pinch of salt, but there does seem to be a general consensus in regard to warranty refusal. Some even mentioning that Toyota charged them for diagnosing issues while their car was under warranty and paying them labour costs. I do like the car, and I'm still considering buying. No car is perfect mechanically, but Toyota just seem to be awkward to reason with from what I'm reading. Great handling and looking cars.
This is exactly what made me trade my gr86 in, I don't have time to be dealing with that bs. I like to drive a sports car like a sports car. Some guy last month blew his 22 brz and subaru denied his warranty claim as well. Like huh?? Fuck that
@ I wonder if the guy who blew his engine thrashed the car or modded it. I believe I track the car more than most and also daily drove over 42k. From what I see it’s only a few people have had issues. The masses will never track this car and therefore shouldn’t experience any issues.
@iManual6peed car was bone stock with only 6300 miles. Engine failed at a HPDE track event. He was driving back into the lot at 30 mph and boom engine took a shit. Almost sounds like misha case, misha tracked his gr86 and one day he was just driving it normal and then the engine took a shit. I'd be very careful bro, I hope you did some modifications like the oil baffle kit to help prevent oil starvation. Just know if you blow the car up toyota will pull the data logs to check your driving behavior.
As a GR86 owner, i can honestly say i love the community around this car. ONLY those that "get it" GET IT!
I have NO problem if Edgar haired Ricers and/or Egotripped hellcat muscle heads ignore these cars.
This car is for those that get it.
@@H1ghMess I second that statement!! We said.
Looking at the 86 for a new purchase the design keeps catching my eyes if I wanted to haul a$$ I would have kept my scat with mods. No matter how much money someone puts in their ride there will always be someone out there faster.
I’m currently saving up for this car, I just need to learn how to drive manual before I get it 😅
Check out my playlist i have tutorials on how to drive manual.
Don’t sweat the learning too much. In 2 weeks you’ll be average & 1 month in it’ll be 2nd nature. I had zero experience when a bought a Fierro GT with f’n slanted H pattern. I stalled at least 10 x’s trying to get home. 1 month later I was fine. It is worth it for manual. The extra interactions and control of rev range make experience 10x’s better. I traded an Alfa Romeo for that 3rd pedal. You’ll love these cars.
I too am saving up for this car I wish I get a 2022 for 20k 😂😂
@ give about 2-3 more years and modified ones should be hitting that price point.
I have a 24 BRZ and the only thing it needs is a heated steering wheel for those cold winter mornings! Everything else is just right.
I own a 2022 GR86 No a track car the one I own check oil level before and after driving it
Just over 6000 miles in two years
Fantastic car !!!!
Glad to hear the great experiences
I’m 52 so unfortunately I raised the avg age but I’ll swear by this car! I traded in an Alfa Romeo Guilia Ti for ‘22 BRZ. I turned down a ‘12 Mustang CS & ‘23 Mustang GT from my mom. My brother is hinting I can get his C8 for whatever I sell my Subie for. I’m leaning to saying no. They are all faster but none give the feels or have that fun personality that I look for. I don’t want to bore anyone else with the short novel of Y but if asked…
Basically nothing is more pure than sub 3000 lbs. with exception of S2K & Porsche no other lightweight car have the power to make that aspect fun. So I use to go sports car to muscle car & back. This is the car I’ve looked for my entire life. Will buy another unless I have Emira $
Well said sir. I always say it’s the feeling you get with the vehicle not just horsepower numbers. I will do my best to educate
facts... i try to keep it under 80% because I'm a reasonable person who doesn't go to the track but in 6 months of ownership I'm in love this is the best value in the car market atm. People are sleeping on it. If they sleep too hard it may get discontinued due to lack of sales. Go buy one rich kids it's slow enough your parents wont bat an eye and literally the most fun you can have in a car that realistically can be a daily.
Agreed this car has so much potential.
Finally, someone who speaks English.
i am a new owner of.2024 gr86 permium trim with brembos amd sachs. I don't like it because
1. RTV issue ( non issue yes but still.keeps.playing on my mind)
2. Road noise is crap.
3. Very uncomfortable ride
4. Interior is from 2014.
5. I miss the space of a regular car
The good things
1. it IS fast. 230 hp is quite enough given the weight of thr car
2. Looks great gets the attention
3. Handling is amazing
i got it for 28k USD brand new employee discount as i work for the dealer in my country. So good price but i am planning to sell it off within a year. Pretty sure i will be able to recovee my money since it will be mantained by the dealer and has 100k km warranty and is the top trim.
I also think the car isnt for me because ill never take it to track not really a track person.
Well if a my rebutt the interior reasoning. The Cayman 718 has the exact same layout which is why Toyota & Subaru went with it I think. It’s simple yet effective. Having a IPAD on the dash wouldn’t have made it better. Road noise sure but what other car at this price point is significantly better? And you last point is fine, there are people who just can’t get use to a coupe but it’s nothing short of practical for one person I think it has just as much space as some compact sedans if you let the seats down. Overall I’m glad you got to try out the car, most people hate on it and never even drove it.
why are you getting rid of it if i may ask
Not sure what's the hate on the interior. I actually loved my gr86 interior, and the ride felt great to me. Only hate this car deserves is the engine issues and warranty problems.
Ive been looking to get this car or the type r. Completely different cars but those are the two I've narrowed it down too. Only issue with this car is ive seen a lot of reports of oil stavation and blown motors.
@@joshuaburgess9906 what are your plans with the car?
@iManual6peed pretty much a fun and engaging driving experience. I want a car that will last me 20-25 years. Want to buy it new before everything is an ev and no more manuals. So pretty much a fun car that is also somewhat practical and realible
I really want/need a gr86, im thinking of doing a gap year for work, completely focusing on getting the gr86, put a big downpayment, so keep the monthly at a decent price
@@kvngrichard6179 rooting for ya!!
Word!🤙🏾😎
AWD would’ve convinced me sadly it snows HARD ! In Michigan. Yes I’m on Bridgestone blizzacks
@@wrx_wes lmao the best rubber on the market for that weather. I could understand you caution on this vehicle in that weather but with tires being as good as they are now I think you would have been ok.
I drove a ‘78 Camaro Z28 through several blizzards. May not have stayed straight but did stay in my lane. Ground clearance is real issue.
My only hate for this car is the pos of boxer engine they put it in. Traded my gr86 for a nd2 miata
You got an awesome car no rebuttal there lol.
@iManual6peed thanks bro, the gr86 is also great. On my local touge stock for stock the gr86 is faster, the nd2 stock has horrible body roll that needs to be addressed. I hope the car treats you well 🙏
I felt cramped AF in the Miata, else I'd have bought it. The GR86/BRZ has the legroom. And it's a blast. Both are great cars tho NGL.
@jpf2159 im 5'10 and fit like a glove, I don't even have the seat as far back as it can go. I've owned a c6 for a few years so small interiors don't bother me. I have to admit getting in and out of the miata is a bit annoying though lol sometimes I hit my foot on the door sill. But I agree the gr86 wins in space 100%
@@geoff0707 Man good for you. I have a Mazda3 and the quality of its interior (and also that of the MIata) is hands down better than the GR86/BRZ. I so wish I didn't feel so cramped. Then again having that extra space in the Toyobaru for luggage and whatnot for trips is super nice.
Honestly 99% of the comments I've seen about this car have been positive. The issue is the negative comments just stick out more.
I am looking one to test drive.
from online info, the "weakness" i've seen so far is navigation. However I see You have something. what?
Navigation?? like the infotainment system? If you are referring to that there has been 2 updates that has fixed the connection issues.
@@iManual6peed Having mapping / trip planning on the entertaiment screen. I'm not tech savy . . . dealer salesman mentioned I could use cell phone to connect.
hoping to drive one soon.(thanks for reply)
@@josephbyrd6642 yes this car is standard Apple car play and android auto.
I just don’t care for the way Toyota is taking care of it customers these days.
@@POVShotgun I somewhat agree I have heard some horror stories from some, but in my experience I have been ok. Disclaimer I also perform most of my maintenance and solve my issues on my own if I have any, I have only dealt with them a couple of times.
Click bait. It's a great car.
hit up the reddit post lol people hate on this car something serious lol that's what made me make this video. I am trying to defend it.
Its not perfect lol the thing is plauged with engine failure unless you fix it yourself bruh its what made me choose something better which is a 350z i mean i guess if a brz/Gr86 had a nissan VQ motor the De Rev-up not the HR it would be a monster the 350z is more of a gem sports car you dont even need to turbo a VQ to have fun as well
@@theanimeotaku2794 Nissan is currently in life support as we speak. The VQ is nice but far from perfect. It funny you mention Nissans VQ when they have a reputation of being a street takover car in the form of a infinity. Why would anyone go get a ran down z when they can get a far superior handling car with low miles? If you want a good example of a 370 you looking at a little over 20k. The new Z isn’t even selling because it’s on a 370z platform lol.😂
The Honda S2000 was not fast, it was just fun. But the GR86 is no S2000.
@@GameArmorGameplay S2k not fast?? I beg to differ lol you guys have to visit the track and see what a fast car really is. Most of the time its cars like 86, Miata, and S2k who out performs everyone else.
@@iManual6peed I guess 0-60 at 5.8 seconds isn't bad for an S2K. But what Toyota really needs is a fully built car in house. No more shared platforms. An AWD/RWD Celica would be welcomed.
@ keep an eye one them it is coming.
Aint nobody hatin on the gr86 it aint no bmw
Haters gonna hate! Just regularly check the oil, and ever so slightly overfill if going on track (i.e. 1/4-1/2 quart) and let the warranty take care of the rest. I would also make sure that oil is changed every 5000 miles. The RTV has been overblown a lot, but the oil pressure issue is legit, just needs that overfill before track days. Also, yes one should definitely wait until the engine is fully warmed up before ragging on it, but that goes for any high compression engine. The 86 has more than enough power honestly, especially for the street. You start adding turbos and superchargers to this engine and it definitely won't last as long, period! On UK roads I struggle to ever reach the limits of my GR86, if at all.
@@davidgillham6847 I appreciate your feedback this further buffers my point I think. Because I am thinking big picture more or less on what will people do when buying this car and most will drive in daily traffic and maybe hit the backroads on weekends. This car is damn near unbeatable for what you can get out of it.
I push my tc daily 😂😂😂😂
The engines are terrible, Subaru is known to cheap out on their engines, and they are prone to fail. If the engines were made more relliable, they would be the best car ever for the price. All you really need is a manual car that feels sporty, and lasts. There are many cases of engine failure due to oil starvation, and leaks being caused by the manufacturer using RTV instead of gaskets to save costs. When that glue goes through hot and cold cycles, it cracks. I don't hate these cars, if they were built well, I would want to pick one up. I like the way it looks and would want one, if only it had a better engine.
The ways to get over the issues with the FA20/FA24 are already well documented. You wouldn't treat this car much different from an STI. Increase oil change intervals, add an air oil separator and oil cooler if necessary. Check oil levels frequently. Etc.
The engine isn't unreliable, it's just high maintenance and is susceptible to failure if on the track without the proper prep.
This engine is one of the best engines out there. According to the stats Subaru is the most reliable car manufacturer as of today. I have had 0 issues after multiple track days and oil changes. I agree the failures that have happened are not a good look for this car, but those a few in numbers and only are happening on tracks. If you don’t plan on tracking this car it makes for a perfect daily for the price. I’m 43k miles in and over 10 track days and as long as you understand how to mitigate the shortcomings of the engine I believe you will be fine. Also there is an oil pan being made right now to fix the starvation issue. Refer to Varus engineering for this information.
@@nvirevolution2235 I appreciate the insight, you seem very knowledgable on this. Every engine has it's weaknesses. It's just not for me. I do have a friend that wanted one, I'll let him know.
@@iManual6peed Sorry for the late reply, also thanks for the information! I have a friend who really wanted one of these. I'll send the information his way.
the problem is that they market it as a sports car, give it a million problems, then sell a 2025 special addition for 40K.
2024 ECOBOOST MUSTANG is significantly more reliable, faster, interior that was made in this century, more room, can get it for 30K just like 86 with none of that.
then "the people their marketing it to" try to get it boosted... uhh? why not just buy a better car if you had to money to boost a worse car? 35-40K + 10K boost or a 50K base supra?? GT mustang??
"its got nice handling" "its not made for speed" ?? crazy takes.
its literally a car they sell to people like its their affordable option for a fun/daily, when its probably just gunna end up being a money sink that they don't honor the warranty for.
First, a turbocharger for this platform is 5k. So that would take you to about 37k if you bought a Base model new for around 32k or so. The Mustang eco boost is not something that is cross shopped with the GR86 because car enthusiasts would go for the real Mustang which is a GT or above. The problem with the ford is that it is significantly heavier than the 86 and doesn’t have the handling characteristics of the 86 at all. I would never advise to go for a dealer markup on any car whatsoever. Faster doesn’t mean better otherwise everyone would have Cameros and Mustangs and Miatas and 86s wouldn’t exist. The car only has one main flaw which has been documented and addressed.
@@iManual6peed its 5K + an install . most the people buying these aren't the people manually installing turbo/oil cooler themselves.
ecoboost is the worse of the class above ft gt/supra/etc but since you can get eco @ 30-32K its gotta be compared to gr86 and the like, which it significantly outperforms.
handling feels like a cop out when its losing so bad everywhere else. they say car enthusiast i say overhyped.
base to base its no match. premium to premium its even worse. mods to mods its just "why spend all that when you coulda just got a gt/supra even a corolla if we're going to the 40-45K range"
@ i disagree, the eco boost mustang is not even close to what a GR86 offers in terms of a driving experience lol. There is a reason they are never compared to each other in videos. No one cares about a v6 mustang as much as you think. No to mention the power to weight ratio. If you look all across TH-cam right now you will see among the best driving cars the GR86 is always near the top.
It's a sports car. Just because it doesn't have 300+HP doesn't change that. If you only care about straightline speed (which is the only real point you brought up) then there are many better options then the 86/BRZ. This car is the only option for a car with the following config: FR, NA, manual, lightweight, coupe. The only other option with those requirements is the Miata, which I am much too tall for and also has no storage space to speak of. Yes the mustang is faster but you sacrifice weight, cornering, and an NA engine by chasing that. Going boosted defeats the point of this car. Which is to provide cornering performance and reward high skilled use of the basics (throttle, brake, and steering control).
@@nvirevolution2235 interior from 2009 , no reliability out of that engine at all , slower (significantly) and less room than almost all competitors in its class 35K.
Like i said the only point people bring up is handling and if they just came out and said "this car is worse in every way but hey you might like turning in it" no one would buy it.
the hype for this car basically just scams a bunch of random people into getting a really bad car. i almost bought one and after a test drive i realized how absolutely insane i was being thinking that car was worth it over anything else i could get.