Update 2: Kernel 6.7.1 installed and audio and bluetooth working now, did a benchmark with Unigine Heaven, which for a laptop which costs less than a 4090, Im not complaining... result 77 fps @1080p but that is way better than it was on 6.5 and its running under Wayland on Ubuntu 23.10 also tested it with Clear Linux, which is 6.6 kernel (WiFI hangs, bluetooth not available, sound not working, but Arc graphics is ok) I think I have enough working to ditch Windows 11
This is very interesting and informative. I wish the would make a laptop with a large screen, more like a "luggable". As a developer screen real estate to get more code is important to me.
Very unteredted in the Meteor Lake silicon. Apparently some of the new handheld game consoles have chosen to roll with thr Meteor Lake instead of the Ryzen Zen 4 silicon, so apparently the iGPU on the Meteor Lake is pretty good. Will be interesting to see what does better in ultrabooks (performance and battery life). Anyway, thanks for the great review.
Welcome @MnemonicCarrier I think AMD has a strong offering as well in what they have coming out with their 8000 series. The iGPU on the MeteorLake seems to be pretty good, its not a RTX 4090, but its pretty decent, for the money.
Seems there will be a wait until Linux catches up with your hardware. This is the norm. I recently, (2023) bought an Macbook pro (M2) with the intent to install Asahi Linux. Asahi is is getting real close, but until then, I've installed a ports system (MacPorts) which makes MacOS more useful (for me). Beard looks good. Makes you look like a Linux Sage. Keep making these videos. They're the best.👍
Thank you, Sir. And I have a M1 Mac Mini that is running Asahi based Fedora, I had been running Arch on it and works well enough, at this point just missing a few drivers like thunderbolt and it would be gold. I use homebrew on my MacOS machines so I can get some of my favorite linux utilities running, and yes it helps alot!
Getting a full and up to date BASH shell and ffmpeg is well worth the effort. Thanks for the info on Asahi. I'm waiting for the right time... getting real close! I started off decades ago by installing Linux PPC on my Bondi iMac. So everything old is new again. Looking forward to your next episode. @@CyberGizmo
Nice new computer, hope linux start catching up and you can run it fine. Another think there is a cool project call universal blue for immutable fedora distros, its totally game changing compared with what we have now on the linux desktop side.
Maybe not quite on topic.... my laptop has gone from what doesn't work to everything (in Linux) working in the year I have had it... actually it seemed to take about 3 months. What I wanted to ask though, is how Linux is handling the P and S cores on the newer Intel CPUs. I know (at least in the past) Intel supports the linux kernel pretty good but in the past, linux tended to treat all HW threads the same. Does the linux kernel actively manage what SW threads it puts on which HW threads in some intelligent way? Is that left for user space? Is it based on "niceness"? A combination of the two?
Great question, linux in the more recent kernels and backports is handling the P and E processors pretty well, I do not know about the Low power cores of the Meteor Lake machines yet, am still testing those. Yes Linux is smart enough to place the more intensive code on the P cores and back ground type stuff on the E cores. I don't think niceness is used much anymore in the kernel they have a very sophisticated process scheduler now. I did a video awhile back talking about balancing there are some tools which can help you figure out which scheduler to use.
Thanks so much for answering this, I've been really curiious about this as well. Also, I wonder how video playback will be on this machine? I currently have a Ryzen 7 6th gen machine and the vidoe playback is atrocious. If possible, can you include video playback on Linux on the follow up for this device? I've read some really good battery life results regarding meteor lake but those are all on windows. Thanks.@@CyberGizmo
@@CyberGizmo I have just got an Acer Aspire TC-1770/i5-13400. I can neither install old Ubuntus like 20.04 nor 23.10 nor 24.04 daily. Fortunately, 22.04 works.
Got myself HP EliteBook 835 G10 with 7840U/32GB/5G and replaced with 2TB SAMSUNG 990 Pro, as an upgrade to my older EliteBook 5850U/16GB/1TB Samsung 970 Evo Plus. Installed my beloved Opensuse Tumbleweed (Wayland + KDE) and everything is working ... including fingerprint, ambient sensor, 5G/Wifi. Just wish it had better battery life with it's 51W, running amd_pstate_epp (powersave) with power-profiles profiles.
@@srikargottipatiNo problems with sleep states and resume. Firefox - enable hardware acceleration in settings, and additionally: media.ffmpeg.vaapi.enabled to true; media.ffvpx.enabled to false;. That should do it - for me it enabled h264, vp9 and av1 hardware decode.
@@srikargottipatiNo probs with sleep states and resume. Firefox - enable hardware acceleration in setting. I also modified media.ffmpeg.vaapi.enabled to true and media.ffvpx.enabled to false. With these settings now I see that H264, VP9 and AV1 are hardware decoded.
@@srikargottipatiAdditionally, if you need: media.navigator.mediadatadecoder_vpx_enabled to true. Enables hardware decoding for WebRTC, which is used on web based video conferencing apps.
I was just checking the specs of the 14 inch, it does have sodimm in stead of soldered. Is there any catch compared to the 16 inch? I have read the Arc igpu supports SR-IOV for gpu passtrough to vms this would a great feature to go with a intel “Ultra” laptop this time
as the i915 mod. (arc video card kern. mod) is running fine and av1 is supported by the arc graphic card, videos in firefox and vlc are running smooth as silk...
Thanks a lot! How's the power consumption while doing video playback though? I've heard from others that on Windows it usually just uses the Low power cores and consume really low power, I wonder if that also works for Linux?@@larskramer3348
Did you have a problem with WiFi waking after suspending the laptop? Which distro do you use? I tried Linux Mint and Ubuntu and both OS won't wake the WiFi after suspending.
yes I do, it started happening with 6.7.1 or 6.7.3, so I disabled suspend temporarily. I was put Fedora Workstation up and been testing Fedora Kinoite but am finding a few issues with it.
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Update 2: Kernel 6.7.1 installed and audio and bluetooth working now, did a benchmark with Unigine Heaven, which for a laptop which costs less than a 4090, Im not complaining... result 77 fps @1080p but that is way better than it was on 6.5 and its running under Wayland on Ubuntu 23.10 also tested it with Clear Linux, which is 6.6 kernel (WiFI hangs, bluetooth not available, sound not working, but Arc graphics is ok) I think I have enough working to ditch Windows 11
I’m thinking about upgrading to this laptop laptop. Can you give us an update if things are further improved??
This is very interesting and informative. I wish the would make a laptop with a large screen, more like a "luggable". As a developer screen real estate to get more code is important to me.
I know you can never have too much screen real estate. I love the 16-inch display it helps alot, but like storage it is never enough..
Very unteredted in the Meteor Lake silicon. Apparently some of the new handheld game consoles have chosen to roll with thr Meteor Lake instead of the Ryzen Zen 4 silicon, so apparently the iGPU on the Meteor Lake is pretty good. Will be interesting to see what does better in ultrabooks (performance and battery life). Anyway, thanks for the great review.
Welcome @MnemonicCarrier I think AMD has a strong offering as well in what they have coming out with their 8000 series. The iGPU on the MeteorLake seems to be pretty good, its not a RTX 4090, but its pretty decent, for the money.
Seems there will be a wait until Linux catches up with your hardware. This is the norm. I recently, (2023) bought an Macbook pro (M2) with the intent to install Asahi Linux. Asahi is is getting real close, but until then, I've installed a ports system (MacPorts) which makes MacOS more useful (for me). Beard looks good. Makes you look like a Linux Sage. Keep making these videos. They're the best.👍
Thank you, Sir. And I have a M1 Mac Mini that is running Asahi based Fedora, I had been running Arch on it and works well enough, at this point just missing a few drivers like thunderbolt and it would be gold. I use homebrew on my MacOS machines so I can get some of my favorite linux utilities running, and yes it helps alot!
Getting a full and up to date BASH shell and ffmpeg is well worth the effort. Thanks for the info on Asahi. I'm waiting for the right time... getting real close! I started off decades ago by installing Linux PPC on my Bondi iMac. So everything old is new again. Looking forward to your next episode. @@CyberGizmo
Nice new computer, hope linux start catching up and you can run it fine. Another think there is a cool project call universal blue for immutable fedora distros, its totally game changing compared with what we have now on the linux desktop side.
Thanks for the tip, will check it out!
Maybe not quite on topic.... my laptop has gone from what doesn't work to everything (in Linux) working in the year I have had it... actually it seemed to take about 3 months. What I wanted to ask though, is how Linux is handling the P and S cores on the newer Intel CPUs. I know (at least in the past) Intel supports the linux kernel pretty good but in the past, linux tended to treat all HW threads the same. Does the linux kernel actively manage what SW threads it puts on which HW threads in some intelligent way? Is that left for user space? Is it based on "niceness"? A combination of the two?
Great question, linux in the more recent kernels and backports is handling the P and E processors pretty well, I do not know about the Low power cores of the Meteor Lake machines yet, am still testing those. Yes Linux is smart enough to place the more intensive code on the P cores and back ground type stuff on the E cores. I don't think niceness is used much anymore in the kernel they have a very sophisticated process scheduler now. I did a video awhile back talking about balancing there are some tools which can help you figure out which scheduler to use.
Thanks so much for answering this, I've been really curiious about this as well. Also, I wonder how video playback will be on this machine? I currently have a Ryzen 7 6th gen machine and the vidoe playback is atrocious. If possible, can you include video playback on Linux on the follow up for this device? I've read some really good battery life results regarding meteor lake but those are all on windows. Thanks.@@CyberGizmo
Looks like a great machine.
So far so good...I am compiling 6.7 right now so hopefully I can try that out today and see if it gets more of the chip features working
Nice one :)
Nice to see you @abobader!
@@CyberGizmo Thanks buddy.
Please make a special video about Intel Gen 13's incompatibility with old Linux distributions.
hmmm that's going to be hard to do, since I do not have a 13th gen but will take a look and see if i can gleen anything on it
@@CyberGizmo I have just got an Acer Aspire TC-1770/i5-13400. I can neither install old Ubuntus like 20.04 nor 23.10 nor 24.04 daily. Fortunately, 22.04 works.
Got myself HP EliteBook 835 G10 with 7840U/32GB/5G and replaced with 2TB SAMSUNG 990 Pro, as an upgrade to my older EliteBook 5850U/16GB/1TB Samsung 970 Evo Plus. Installed my beloved Opensuse Tumbleweed (Wayland + KDE) and everything is working ... including fingerprint, ambient sensor, 5G/Wifi. Just wish it had better battery life with it's 51W, running amd_pstate_epp (powersave) with power-profiles profiles.
Does it resume fine from sleep? Does video acceleration work on Firefox for 4K60 videos from TH-cam?
@@srikargottipatiNo problems with sleep states and resume. Firefox - enable hardware acceleration in settings, and additionally:
media.ffmpeg.vaapi.enabled to true; media.ffvpx.enabled to false;. That should do it - for me it enabled h264, vp9 and av1 hardware decode.
@@srikargottipatiNo probs with sleep states and resume. Firefox - enable hardware acceleration in setting. I also modified media.ffmpeg.vaapi.enabled to true and media.ffvpx.enabled to false. With these settings now I see that H264, VP9 and AV1 are hardware decoded.
@@srikargottipatiAdditionally, if you need:
media.navigator.mediadatadecoder_vpx_enabled to true. Enables hardware decoding for WebRTC, which is used on web based video conferencing apps.
I was just checking the specs of the 14 inch, it does have sodimm in stead of soldered. Is there any catch compared to the 16 inch?
I have read the Arc igpu supports SR-IOV for gpu passtrough to vms this would a great feature to go with a intel “Ultra” laptop this time
If have the asus zenbook with ULTRA 7 155H running with Arch Linux - just the snd card is not working - everthing else is with 6.6.10 fine ...
Good to know, the MSI uses realtek audio so that's a sure sign audio will never work LOL
Hi, just wondering, how's the video playback under linux?? Thanks!
as the i915 mod. (arc video card kern. mod) is running fine and av1 is supported by the arc graphic card, videos in firefox and vlc are running smooth as silk...
Thanks a lot! How's the power consumption while doing video playback though? I've heard from others that on Windows it usually just uses the Low power cores and consume really low power, I wonder if that also works for Linux?@@larskramer3348
Screw AI I want ECC.
Did you have a problem with WiFi waking after suspending the laptop?
Which distro do you use?
I tried Linux Mint and Ubuntu and both OS won't wake the WiFi after suspending.
yes I do, it started happening with 6.7.1 or 6.7.3, so I disabled suspend temporarily. I was put Fedora Workstation up and been testing Fedora Kinoite but am finding a few issues with it.
@@CyberGizmo Thanks, that's a great idea!
...the sound card is working ... after installing the version 2.8.x of thesofproject sof-bin release, (git)
Thanks @larskramer3348 good info there.