Naughty Dog and Nonlinearity

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  • A look at the history of Naughty Dog's Action Adventure games and their different approaches to non-linear gameplay.
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    Novacanoo's channel for anybody interested: / @novacanoo
    Thanks to The Sphere Hunter for some of the Uncharted 4 footage in this video.

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  • @MrGameandWatch8bit64
    @MrGameandWatch8bit64 7 ปีที่แล้ว +242

    You're so good at explaining your reasons for liking or disliking something. You could shit on a game I love for like an hour and I'd still be content listening, completely understanding your point of view. Best game analyses I've ever heard.

    • @radpunk5144
      @radpunk5144 6 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      That's what makes him a good critic. Whether he likes or dislikes something, he will always explain his point of view with valuable reasons. That's why I follow his stuff

    • @Crunch630
      @Crunch630 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It's very true. I enjoyed him shitting on Ratchet 3 a lot, even if it thought those negatives didn't outweigh the positives in that game.

    • @Brentonius_III
      @Brentonius_III 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This isnexactly how I was feeling while he was trashing ratchet and clank 3 haha I fully understand his reasons and actually by the end agreed

    • @herpydepth3849
      @herpydepth3849 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      4 years late but thought I’d just hop in to say how much I agree with this. It really feels like he properly examines all of a game’s elements in a well thought out manner. Even a lot of very good game critics on TH-cam have trouble with that and tend to push a certain narrative even if just on accident. Like, Joseph Anderson is a well spoken, mature, and intelligent reviewer but for as much as I respect the guy, he falls into that trap quite a bit

    • @WaffleCake
      @WaffleCake 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      lol I was just going to comment sarcastically how much I love a video that's merely about a topic without any main point. I got to what I thought was the end of the video, only to discover it was only half through. His video on 'How Ratchet Lost Its Edge' is so much better. That's got a main point that you can follow for 1.4 hours. This drags on for a century and says nothing.

  • @shpladau
    @shpladau 4 ปีที่แล้ว +121

    He definitely predicted the open area for Last of Us Part II.

    • @catmun5387
      @catmun5387 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Big Ben BooHoo cry about it

    • @lipsontajgordongrunk4328
      @lipsontajgordongrunk4328 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      The hilarious thing is people clamor about the open area section of TLOU2 as the highlight of the game but not realize that EW2 did more of it as almost the whole game and did it incredibly well, if not better.

    • @kingcyclops4079
      @kingcyclops4079 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@lipsontajgordongrunk4328 Evil Within, right? Fucking love that game. Honestly wished Last of us 2 went that same way. Have side missions that tie into the main plot in someway. Seattle is a good environment for the game they should have used that nonlinear design to flesh out the story more, allowing characters to just chat and internet with the world around them while finding collectibles and equipment.

    • @John-996
      @John-996 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​​@@lipsontajgordongrunk4328 The last Metro game did a good job combining both concepts.

  • @Novacanoo
    @Novacanoo 7 ปีที่แล้ว +364

    Come at me scrublord, I'm ripped.

  • @masterofdoom5000
    @masterofdoom5000 7 ปีที่แล้ว +80

    Jak 1 is still my favorite Naughty Dog game, its so tight and well crafted. It has very little focus on plot because it's more a premise with a world that is really interesting thanks to a poorly understood energy source that was used by a now vanished civilization. The Lost precursor City is a fascinating place man, they got something to happen in that game.

    • @pelucheCR7
      @pelucheCR7 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      masterofdoom5000 yep Jak 1 is the cream of the crop as far as naughty go as far I feel. Though Last of Us and Jak 2 are contenders.

    • @ZorrotheArtist
      @ZorrotheArtist ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I like Crash 1 the most because of it’s simplicity and how it kinda lends to it’s charm but Jak and Daxter 1 is still a complete fucking jam, it’s the tits.

  • @Arcananine77
    @Arcananine77 7 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    Nice to see some love for Jak & Daxter. That was just an impeccably made, all-killer-no-filler platformer and my favorite Naughty Dog game overall.

    • @batmangovno
      @batmangovno 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      It's the best Jak and Daxter game, that's for sure.

    • @dragonphoreal
      @dragonphoreal 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I still find it a little jarring that the Jak and Daxter series went from this light-hearted no-filler platformer to a "dark n' edgy" story-heavy third-person shooter. Even Jak's character went from a adventurous youth to angst.

    • @Dacho_Shaki
      @Dacho_Shaki 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Jak & Daxter is definitely my favorite of the series. I even prefer the structure of the world in this one because it actually feels more alive and organic and you feel more connected to it like being a part of that world instead of just dropping you in a huge sandbox in the sequel to fullfill your mission objectives in order to progress further in the game. And it is actually a full fledge platformer instead of an edgy third person shooter with platforming elements for the younger audience.

    • @cruzgonzalez7061
      @cruzgonzalez7061 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Shenyongo The Dragon Slayer At least they gave us a reason as to why he's angsty.

    • @legendarymarston9174
      @legendarymarston9174 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dragonphoreal He HASa reasin that he is like that.

  • @morganus1360
    @morganus1360 4 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    15:00 Oh my goodness. You called it for LoU 2. I mean, it was a pretty small section compared to the rest of the game, but you were right.

  • @onecrazyguy2564
    @onecrazyguy2564 7 ปีที่แล้ว +238

    You always gotta put Devil May Cry in your videos somehow huh? Love you man.

  • @NidorinoAlliance
    @NidorinoAlliance 7 ปีที่แล้ว +250

    Linearity in games like Uncharted, isn't a bad thing. I wish more people would realise the value in linear game design.

    • @Bloodhurl67
      @Bloodhurl67 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Nidorino Alliance Definitely agreed.

    • @kb24072001
      @kb24072001 6 ปีที่แล้ว +62

      The whole point of the video flew over your head.

    • @zaxapitsa
      @zaxapitsa 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      haven´t heard anyone complaint about half life 2 or god of war.

    • @machr293
      @machr293 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Same could be said about the Burnout games.

    • @boyishdude1234
      @boyishdude1234 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Nidorino Alliance Tell me about. I can give a good example of where linearity (imo) was handled pretty well in most areas, even if it pissed off older fans of the genre the game is in:
      *Final Fantasy 13.*
      I actually liked the Crystarium. Sure it was linear, but it managed to always put a hard EXP cap on the player so that way they wouldn't be able to over grind (which would make the game way too easy). Not to mention that the linearity of the Crystarium meant that you couldn't massively screw up your leveling, meaning that most of your focus on understanding mechanics was put towards the in-depth battle system instead of "how to efficiently level up".
      That said you can make your life hell with Crystarium if you choose to nab abilities more often than necessary stat increases, so there's still potential for error in the Crystarium.
      I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I also liked the linear over world. Since the thing I care the most about in RPGs is the battle system, I don't mind having linear level design if it means I get more opportunities to master the battle system.

  • @lol-vl3bj
    @lol-vl3bj 7 ปีที่แล้ว +138

    when tgbs uploads a video, I experience many conflicting feelings

    • @TenshiCat
      @TenshiCat 7 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      But the question is, does it make you want to help the economy by buying a Pixeliser?

    • @felman87
      @felman87 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I don't. Just glee.

    • @lol-vl3bj
      @lol-vl3bj 7 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Tenshi Cat I'll buy it once I search the area for skidds agent, he may need my assistance

    • @TheKrigeron
      @TheKrigeron 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I get a feeling so complicated*

    • @lol-vl3bj
      @lol-vl3bj 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      TheKrigeron I don't think you understand the joke

  • @flodusishigh6607
    @flodusishigh6607 7 ปีที่แล้ว +117

    One of the best gameplay analysis ive ever seen.
    It‘s all about the „depth of gameplay“
    Very rare perspective that most reviewers never analyse as exactly as you 🙏🏼

  • @WayoftheFerret
    @WayoftheFerret 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    The answer for Naughty Dog should be simple: real life sucks, and fantasy / sci-fi gives you more gameplay options. Plus, their older games had better stories on top of it, so they really should double down on what made them big.

  • @conoraq
    @conoraq 7 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    J&D1 is the peak of Naughty Dog. The game just feels GOOD to play, 100% of the time. Possibly the best 3D platformer of all time, the only real competition is Mario

    • @superkostlegend6592
      @superkostlegend6592 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And mario is objectively worse than Jak

    • @trevorphilips9065
      @trevorphilips9065 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @Raven Reyes PTZ No it's not Naughty Dog fanboy

    • @lonestar6709
      @lonestar6709 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@trevorphilips9065 IKR? Mario destroys Jak and Daxter.

  • @JayfroC
    @JayfroC 7 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    So what we can take from this is that, mechanically, Jak and Daxter is the best game from Naughty Dog

    • @Arcananine77
      @Arcananine77 7 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Pretty much, yeah.

  • @TurboButton
    @TurboButton 7 ปีที่แล้ว +172

    Damn, fake lad Novacanoo finally got a shout out from the legendary TGB.

    • @TheGamingBritShow
      @TheGamingBritShow  7 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      The legendary feud continues!

    • @AntanovOCEFGC
      @AntanovOCEFGC 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey, he's gotta get subs some how

    • @sidiouth8948
      @sidiouth8948 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm confused, there's a feud?

    • @Novacanoo
      @Novacanoo 7 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      youre not even good enough to be my fake

    • @Arcananine77
      @Arcananine77 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      "I understood that reference"

  • @TheSphereHunter
    @TheSphereHunter 7 ปีที่แล้ว +330

    THE KID IS BACK BAYBEE

  • @tobyhendricks9951
    @tobyhendricks9951 7 ปีที่แล้ว +102

    Who noticed that the 60fps Jak and Daxter was just sooo much smoother than the 30fps uncharted. 60+fps is the way.

    • @harrymadferit7807
      @harrymadferit7807 7 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      Woah... 60 fps is smoother than 30 fps? Who woulda thought?

    • @tobyhendricks9951
      @tobyhendricks9951 7 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Potato Thief It just frustrates me that devs haven't made the same realisation, constantly prioritising visuals over frame rate.

    • @dunning-krugerreiner5631
      @dunning-krugerreiner5631 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Toby Hendricks I know it‘s a late reply, but the PS4 and XB1 hardware were both outdated already on their release. They can‘t run most games in 60FPS, because otherwise the console would catch fire lol.

    • @lucasdellamaggiore
      @lucasdellamaggiore 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Well, at least now we have The Nathan Drake Collection on PS4 at 60fps

    • @EggEnjoyer
      @EggEnjoyer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@dunning-krugerreiner5631 They can run games at 60fps. It’s just that the devs have to make a decision, top of the line graphics or 60 FPS. They just always choose top of the line graphics. But they very well could dumb down graphics a bit and get them running 60fps on these consoles

  • @Zeboki
    @Zeboki 7 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    17:00 Devil May Cry plug in.
    I don't blame ya Brit.

    • @xMasterSparku
      @xMasterSparku 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Harris Zeboki Charlie always finds a way to shove in dmc

  • @MangaMarjan
    @MangaMarjan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    What you illustrated really happened in TLOU2 three years later lol

  • @qwertyMrJINX
    @qwertyMrJINX 7 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    I totally forgot The Last of Us was a Naughty Dog game before you mentioned it in this video. Shit, they're making a sequel to that?
    Yeah, they should bring back Jak.

  • @ivopranjic9976
    @ivopranjic9976 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    My birthday was yesterday. I wished for new a GamingBrit video. Prayers have been answered

  • @gunpuncher3817
    @gunpuncher3817 7 ปีที่แล้ว +130

    Should have been a video on the REVOLUTIONARY Knack series of God platformers. Weak stuff Charlie, -1/10

  • @PSNSMANIACALMIND1st
    @PSNSMANIACALMIND1st 7 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    This video is basically Nostalgia the Documentary: Jak edition.
    And I love it.

  • @douglasmonroe7417
    @douglasmonroe7417 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I did just play a game that's both a linear game and an Open World game. It came out this year and is also a PS4 exclusive. Guerilla games made it.

  • @beneven-kesef5121
    @beneven-kesef5121 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The ending of the video is the best part. Excellent analysis, and I've been eagerly awaiting you to tackle the Jak series in some capacity. Looking forward to more.

  • @evilduck1000
    @evilduck1000 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    There's nothing wrong with linear games, especially in an era where more and more developers are shifting to open world.

    • @drpepper3838
      @drpepper3838 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      10 years ago I preferred open world games because I liked the freedom and "do whatever you like" gameplay and side activities and stuff fooling around a bit. Now 10 years later I prefer mostly linear single-player games, Idk why it's just that a big open world seems like a waste of time (idk how to describe it) I just want to follow the story and be done with the game. Yeah I know you could do this in an open world game but it feels wasted. Maybe it has to do with that a lot of open world games are so mediocre and not worth running around in for that long. Only chasing markers on the map.

  • @sdgundum990
    @sdgundum990 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Uncharted 2 is one of my favourite games on the PS3. It feels soooo smooth, the levels vary in design, the villain is cartoony, and the online scene was punishing but fast to pick up. I loved it. It's one of the only games I ever cared to go back and get Platinum on.

  • @austinmeghu
    @austinmeghu 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The Jak and Daxter games are the best naughty dog ever made.

  • @jarerarebear1765
    @jarerarebear1765 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Man, I wish Naught Dog would revive the Jak series. There's so much more that could be done in that world.

  • @cynical8330
    @cynical8330 7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I love The Last of Us so much. I don't know why but I love the combat.

  • @lucasdellamaggiore
    @lucasdellamaggiore 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'd like to believe that even though there weren't any optional paths in the Uncharted series the combat stages opened up as time went on, with enviroments that would let you get from point a to point b from different paths, like the castle in Syria and Ship Graveyard in Uncharted 3, the Sniper in the abandoned neighbourhood and the hospital in The Last of Us, Madagascar and At Sea in Uncharted 4 and The Western Gaths in Uncharted The Lost Legacy.
    Also *spoiler alert*
    Seattle in The Last of Us part 2 (please don't spoil the rest of the game for me, i've only played 2-3 hours past that section)

  • @PokemonHaloFan
    @PokemonHaloFan 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Naughty Dog is one of my all time favorite developers. Jak 3 being one of my top ten favorite games of all time.
    Great analysis of some great games.

  • @cinnamonnoir2487
    @cinnamonnoir2487 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I think Naughty Dog may be ambivalent on the value of non-linearity both because they like to tell stories and because they rarely do a good job of giving *context* to non-linearity. Crash 2 and 3 are only non-linear because you can skip some levels, not because you have a meaningful choice of where to go or what to do. The levels themselves are still straight-shot platforming challenges which demand that you *live up* to a preset challenge rather than *deciding* what challenge you'll face.
    To me, Jak and Daxter is the pinnacle of level design from Naughty Dog in a lot of ways. The world feels like an actual world rather than a loose framework connecting set pieces and mini-games; *both* of its sequels feel a lot more artificial and "gamey". But they could only do that when they were confident that the world itself was engaging enough to make up for a hands-off story. They clearly don't feel that way any more, which is why their more recent games feel like interactive movies. Cinematic storytelling is very important to them now; atmosphere and player choice, not so much.

  • @BioshockChicken
    @BioshockChicken 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I feel like Rise of the Tomb Raider really nailed that exploration and treasure hunting feeling that a Uncharted lacked. The world was juuust big enough to encourage going off the beaten path but also subtly funneled you towards the next story point. Also the rewards both provided lore and tweaks that slightly improved gameplay giving you multiple reasons to actually want to explore. It was less polished and pretty but an actually fun game to play.

  • @isatherebel1520
    @isatherebel1520 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Jak games and Uncharted games are some of the most amazing games ever

  • @zer0hvk
    @zer0hvk 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love your channel, been watching all of your older videos lately, I’m CONSTANTLY laughing out loud. Thanks for making all of this awesome content!

  • @thisis4k
    @thisis4k 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Well you were right about TLOU part 2!

  • @Walkman-
    @Walkman- 7 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT RE ANALYSIS SERIES?!?!

    • @SonicKick
      @SonicKick 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Matt Walker he's working on RE2. He had an update on patreon 🤔

    • @christoptheillusiveman9875
      @christoptheillusiveman9875 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Matt Walker He's got 6 more to go...

    • @NotLuigi
      @NotLuigi 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The same thing that happened to the Kingdom Hearts retrospective

  • @MegaPhilX
    @MegaPhilX 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The problem with exploration in the Uncharted games is that it conflicts with the linearity.
    Many times when I went outside of the path to collect stuff, I would encounter glitches when going to areas the game didn't want me to go to.
    In the main path, Drake can jump super high/far to clear impossible gaps.
    When exploring outside the path, Drake can barely jump 2 feet high.
    "Do you want me to explore or not!?"

  • @rogueshadow1933
    @rogueshadow1933 7 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Before my comment gets buried, I want to say I haven't watched the video yet but thank you for your efforts in uploading content. I have thus far enjoyed every video of yours I have watched.

    • @Alienrun
      @Alienrun 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Bumping this so it doesn't get buried...

  • @jay-d8g3v
    @jay-d8g3v 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Naughty dog is such a good studio. Definitely enjoyed the games when I was young

  • @jeffbezos3200
    @jeffbezos3200 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    While I can respect the views in this video, I personally, never had much attachment to Jak and Daxter. They were being released when I was a baby, so by the time I picked up games in 2004 (as a 4 year old), I was mostly just playing stuff that was already lying around the house. I got my start playing Tomba, Spyro 2, Crash Bandicoot, Battle For Bikini Bottom, Hit and Run. As such, when Jak 3 came out, I wasn’t interested in buying games because I still had such a wide catalogue of games available at any moment. When I got my PS3 in 2009, it was different. I no longer had a large catalogue of games because my parents never really bought PS3 games outside of the Resistance Trilogy, and the occasional other shooter here and there. So I began ravenously devouring any upcoming video game news. Watching E3 press conferences, etc. and while I did miss the pre release of Uncharted 2, when 3 was coming out, I couldn’t afford it and bought 2, instead. And to 11 year old me, you can give me 1,000,000 Crash bandicoots and Jak and Daxters, but for my money, nothing will ever touch the train shootout, jumping cars on the convoy, being chased by tanks and helicopters, solving puzzles, and running and gunning. That was the pinnacle of gaming besides Little Big Planet 2. So then I played 3 for Christmas that year and was amazed, but still let down for the end and went back to playing the uncharted 2 campaign. But if you ask me, having lived and replayed all the naughty dog games besides the cart racers since Crash Bandicoot, their linear stuff is the stuff I grew up with. I didn’t grow up around running and jumping to collect power cells, I grew up watching children get shot in their dad’s arms and with husbands lying about their adventures to their wives. That’s the Naughty Dog I grew up, and I wouldn’t trade the amount I’ve invested into these stories for the world because I feel like I carry the themes and lessons from them to this day. I didn’t learn anything from Crash Bandicoot, besides thinking it was weird that his girlfriend was so well endowed and getting mixed reactions from it

  • @zamarickz
    @zamarickz 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Jak and Daxter is still one of my favorite games. I've played through it like 10 times.

  • @slightlytwistedagain
    @slightlytwistedagain 7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I don't know about anyone else but after playing The Last of Us I thought it was the most polished average game I've ever played. I have no idea why it's praised so much as if it's some legendary game.

    • @mjc0961
      @mjc0961 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Because it's a PlayStation exclusive, so the fanboys will act as if it's a holy grail to hoard over gamers who play on other platforms.

    • @FilthyCasual_YT
      @FilthyCasual_YT 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      mjc0961 ok so coming from a guy who plays all systems & games i prefer nintendo better exclusives & when it comes down to video game systems the exclusives are what matter nintendo is the best at that but honestly sometimes i think sony has the best exclusives but i prefer nintendo more but if somebody who actually plays video games(not your fortnites or fifas/gambling & Call of duties) tells me that they prefer sony & they also have played nintendo games then i wouldnt frown an eye sony makes amazing games God of war series,Uncharted series,The last of us,horizon zero dawn,spiderman(ps4),the last gurdian like come on! Nintendo has Mario,link,smash bros,metroid,kirby,donkey kong & xbox has...........gears of war.........halo...............& um.........crackdown...look microsoft isnt bad....just the last few years haven’t been kind to them gears 1-3 great to awesome to good but 4&5....oof.Halo i love halo in my opinion one of the best video game trilogies of the new millennia but also 4&5 were just....ok crackdown 3 was laughably bad sunset overdrive was good but nothing new in years & xbox cancelled scalebound & Don’t really have anything for the future while sony & nintendo have Tlou 2,ghost of tushima,metroid prime 4,god of war 5,hzd 2 & so much more no i am not a fanboy i like to see things for myself without any bias but i have to 100% disagree with you unless you have any contradictories(i say this in a nice manner not threatening) but opinions are opinions but i want to see what makes you think like this

    • @trevorphilips9065
      @trevorphilips9065 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@FilthyCasual_YT I mean it's the truth The Last of Us isn't anything special

    • @FilthyCasual_YT
      @FilthyCasual_YT 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Trevor Philips ok i respect your opinion

    • @hwanniggles187
      @hwanniggles187 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Its because of its story. The relationship between Joel and Ellie has such a strong development, that with its all-around gameplay is what adds to the whole experience along with its environments, its characters and enemy types. I think you need to play it at a higher difficulty to really see the gameplay shine on how you manage resources. The Clickers become more of threat if you just waste resources cuz why not

  • @RedFlameFox
    @RedFlameFox 7 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    Am I the only one that prefers Jak over Crash, Uncharted and The Last of Us?

    • @johankiwii
      @johankiwii 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      No, but your definitely in the minority.

    • @SavageRodent
      @SavageRodent 6 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Specifically Jak and Daxter. Jak 2 and 3 were fun, but Jak 1 was the pinnacle of Naughty Dog for me.

    • @seaofrage
      @seaofrage 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Jack and Daxter 1 was fucking insane back in the day. Moving from ps1 to that was absolutely mindblowing.

    • @Santana_Art
      @Santana_Art 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Both franchises are excellent but Jak 1 & 2 are some of my all time favorite games

    • @blank003
      @blank003 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      RedFlameFox imo ,uncharted 1 was their worst game . The series was good after that ,but I still think jak is far superior.

  • @christoptheillusiveman9875
    @christoptheillusiveman9875 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Hell yeah! Jak does have a more intricate plot then uncharted any day of the week!

    • @Alexander-nr5tt
      @Alexander-nr5tt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Raven Reyes PTZ They're not wrong. Uncharted has the plot of a typical action flick movie.

    • @nucleor7268
      @nucleor7268 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Raven Reyes PTZ It really does though. It gets more plot heavy in Jak 2 and 3.

  • @CreamStar
    @CreamStar 7 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    We really need another Jak & Daxter title, I'm sick of these dark and brooding scenarios that involve gameplay that's fun for only a bit. I could watch someone else play a game like Last of Us and wouldn't be missing out on anything revolutionary.

    • @randomduck8679
      @randomduck8679 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Didn't Jak 2 become dark and brooding?

    • @CreamStar
      @CreamStar 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Raven Reyes PTZ Hey it's me from 2+ yrs ago.. I think I was being hyperbolic there, really all I was saying is I want a new Jak game lol

    • @CreamStar
      @CreamStar 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@randomduck8679 Certainly much edgier.

    • @trevorphilips9065
      @trevorphilips9065 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Raven Reyes PTZ It does

  • @josephabrams8529
    @josephabrams8529 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Best part of Lost Legacy was near the beginning where the villain says to Chloe “You have balls, I like that” and nobody reacts to it.

    • @GodofBoris
      @GodofBoris 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That was awesome lol

    • @josephabrams8529
      @josephabrams8529 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bor Mik Seriously though, I would have thought that Chloe might have at least said, “uhh...phrasing?”

  • @gmaster2647
    @gmaster2647 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've always thought that there was a way to implement linear storytelling in a truly open environment and Lost Legacy showed that it is indeed possible, if even it's just small scale.

  • @Jonas-ob2sh
    @Jonas-ob2sh 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wish all developers switched between linear and non-linear designs in their games, it would prevent stagnation much better.

  • @TheAliasGaming
    @TheAliasGaming 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    One of the most interesting, nuanced game analysis videos I've ever watched. Really inspiring. As someone who has loved all of Naughty Dog's work for different reasons, it is amazing the inner conflict this brings up. At what point is a tight narrative worth player choice, and exploration? And at what point do we fall dangerously into "open world" territory where lackluster meaningless side objectives and an abundance of down time overshadow some cool key moments? Naughty dog is one of the few developers that have the talent, budget, time, and trust of their publishers to pursue a dense, rich, detailed balance of gameplay freedom vs thematic urgency, and as someone who worries if they can replicate some of the narrative magic of the first Last of Us, I completely agree and hope that they do make more bold gameplay choices. I especially hope they go in a bold direction for a new IP, something that they are particularly good at when compared to their peers. Fantastic video, really.

  • @garyhobbesworth941
    @garyhobbesworth941 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Totally agree about open, large areas just meaning more dead time, that "padding" is why I prefer a game like Devil May Cry over something like Darksiders (besides the superior combat system and lack of terrible puzzles, I mean).

    • @Arcananine77
      @Arcananine77 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      When it comes to game worlds, the ability to interact with it in different ways matters a lot more to me than size. Ocarina of Time is my go-to example for this: in that game, you can talk to pretty much every NPC you meet and almost every building you see. The same cannot be said for many "open world sandbox" games whose worlds are much larger than OoT's.

    • @Arcananine77
      @Arcananine77 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Correction: : "in that game, you can talk to pretty much every NPC you meet and ENTER almost every building you see."

  • @perryborn2777
    @perryborn2777 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    God damn, hearing that uncharted music brought me back... I remember always loving it, especially since I had just recently gotten into band in school, and music was something I started to pay more attention to, but it's just so epic, and just makes you feel like it's time to explore.

  • @mann-nova9392
    @mann-nova9392 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video as always GamingBrit. I'll always love your more discussion-based videos talking about ways to make games better.

  • @ElUltimoBruguero
    @ElUltimoBruguero 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Mark Brown, is that you?

    • @gilgamesh310
      @gilgamesh310 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why would you think that?

    • @GMTK
      @GMTK 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      No

    • @SuperRJNgamer
      @SuperRJNgamer 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Mark Brown we got you trapped son. Your under arrest for hiding inside other youtubers comments on multiple accounts.

    • @ElUltimoBruguero
      @ElUltimoBruguero 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sure? I mean, this video has graphs and talk about gamedesign in a sweet voice. It must be you...

  • @salokin3087
    @salokin3087 7 ปีที่แล้ว +98

    Tgbs makes some really good cynical analysis!
    Though the comments are always bizarre it seems.

    • @superlombax1561
      @superlombax1561 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Salokin I agree.

    • @matthewlee4834
      @matthewlee4834 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Salokin I wouldn't say this video is cynical in the slightest nor would I say cynicism is somehow good

    • @SE_Lin
      @SE_Lin 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Matthew Lee I don't think he was saying cynicism is good, just that Tgbs is good at using it to analyze. I wouldn't say this video was cynical either, didn't get that vibe at all it seemed the opposite to me.

    • @Rustyhound-Cartoons
      @Rustyhound-Cartoons 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree with the smelly small boy!

    • @Zivudemo
      @Zivudemo 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Maybe you were going for the word "skeptical"?

  • @TheJuanishere
    @TheJuanishere 7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    where's that positive Ratchet and Clank video Brit?

    • @Chico50445
      @Chico50445 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      His Ratchet Deadlocked video. Although I would like to see a video on Going Commando, and why it is the best of the franchise.

    • @ijustintime4u2bui46
      @ijustintime4u2bui46 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Chico50445 agreed

  • @TheExFatal
    @TheExFatal 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yet another TGBS video with a DMC reference, there's no escape!

  • @hemangchauhan2864
    @hemangchauhan2864 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    What you described for TLOU2 is exactly what *S.T.A.L.K.E.R. games* do. Scavenging and surviving is the core gameplay there. And the downtime adds to the tension, that lasts till the late game.
    I also like Assassin's Creed II design of "letting us do whatever we want, and continue the main story later" thing.

  • @theelectricprince8231
    @theelectricprince8231 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I really want to see your review of Jedi Survivor and Fallen Order. Those games are solid action adventure games with ACTUAL platforming.

  • @KelniusTV
    @KelniusTV 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Maybe I've watched too much Farscape, but at 0:24 when the character said "I'm taking you with me", I thought "Huh... is that Claudia Black?"
    I've never played this game, but sure enough, it's her voice.

  • @Mars_over_seer
    @Mars_over_seer 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    When I was a kid, I didn’t even know about the forbidden forest until i went to search for 100 power cells. I remember seeing the monster and was like,”U really wanna fight me?”

  • @GamingPicks
    @GamingPicks 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just found this video thanks to Mark Brown. It's great, thank you! I loved original Jak and Daxter, sequel not so much (probably because of difficulty). Original Jak and Daxter was something amazing to play in 2001, going from one point to other with no visible loading times, was incredible. And about Uncharted, I really liked the route Naughty Dog took opening the levels and I think that The Western Ghats in The Lost Legacy they really delivered, perfectly mixing classic Uncharted gameplay with a more open and non-linear approach that feels perfect for an adventure. Can't wait to see what they are preparing for The Last of Us Part II.

  • @Z-A-C
    @Z-A-C 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You should do another video on insomniac games.

  • @NidorinoAlliance
    @NidorinoAlliance 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Jak 3 being easier than Jak 2 isn't a bad thing. Jak 2's bullshit checkpoint system absolutely ruins any pace the story could build, after a while. Jak 3 is a lot better at this. I'm fine with hard games, but for such a story focused game, its detrimental and just kinda frustrating. Its forgettable characters become even more forgettable and placed in the background, when all you're focused on is escorting some tosspots through a sewer with no health crates or checkpoints. Also, there's the shit dialogue and dreary tone, but that's a discussion for another day.

  • @NotaSkeleton
    @NotaSkeleton 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Shoutout to Novacanoo for doing a passable job on Jak & Daxter.

  • @arbiter-
    @arbiter- 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jak and Daxter 1, Crash 3, Uncharted 4, and The Last of Us are my favorite Naughty Dog games. They will always have a special place in my heart, especially J&D and Crash 3. CTR is on another level though, best Naughty Dog game by a long shot.

  • @hennyzhi2261
    @hennyzhi2261 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Naughty Dog has definitely earned enough financial and critical praise to do just about anything, but I couldn't help but think about how Insomniac by comparison seems somewhat lackluster. The two companies did work close for a time (I'm not sure how the relationship evolved by the time uncharted came out) and have similar directions based on what they released up to a point. They both have roots in cartoon mascot platforming (Spyro and Crash). They had an edgy teenage shift as their core audience grew up (Ratchet&Clank and Jak&Daxter). They went into young adulthood (Resistance and Uncharted). And I can't recall Insomniac really going for something as adult as The Last of Us. The Ratchet phase never died where it arguably should have around the half-way point in the Future trilogy (Crack in Time would have been perfect based on it's ending) to the point where Into the Nexus is a game most people don't even know about ... so they reboot the franchise and lobotomize it in a desperate attempt to get the new generation on board (failing miserably in the most Steve Bushemi way possible). Heck, their most resent property is trying their hand at another movie tie in game: Spider-Man of all things.

    • @trevorphilips9065
      @trevorphilips9065 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Meh at least Insomniac doesn't have Neil

    • @deadlocked5337
      @deadlocked5337 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Spyro the Dragon = Crash Bandicoot
      Ratchet and Clank = Jak and Daxter
      RESISTANCE = UNCHARTED
      Edge of Nowhere = The Last of Us

  • @alexanderdaviescastle8134
    @alexanderdaviescastle8134 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ergo, we need Jak 4.
    We want it, it will happen someday, it's just a question of whether Naughty dog still remembers how to make games or not.

  • @BorderlandsBoy0
    @BorderlandsBoy0 7 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Your video on Mgs5 phantom pain is probably the reason we get it for free on Ps plus soooo thank you for being awesome!

  • @AHylianWarrior
    @AHylianWarrior 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Haha that end. I feel you, man. I just want him back too. Please, Naughty Dog...

  • @seraaron
    @seraaron 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I really wish that tLoZ: Breath of the Wild did what you described at 12:07 with their shine puzzles...

  • @gameragodzilla
    @gameragodzilla 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I haven’t played The Lost Legacy yet (didn’t particularly care for Uncharted 4) but your description really reminds me of the reboot Tomb Raider games that also had an emphasis on hubs and side content.

  • @legendp2011
    @legendp2011 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I usually prefer linear games myself. Given that they usually feel more refined

  • @GIR177
    @GIR177 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    As someone who did not care for the Uncharted/Last of Us series, I'd definitely be more interested if there were more non-linear gameplay sections.

  • @Mars_over_seer
    @Mars_over_seer 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m so thankful Uncharted didn’t use the brown and grey color scheme that reminds me, could u do a video on color schemes?

  • @aquaglow1
    @aquaglow1 7 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I don't mind if their games are linear or non-linear. I do care that they're 90% cutscenes with scripted gameplay.

    • @M.HgamingHD
      @M.HgamingHD 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      aquaglow1 uncharted 1, 3 & 4 boss battles were scripted cutscene gameplay

    • @TheHeartThatRunsCold
      @TheHeartThatRunsCold 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I would actually prefer that over a poorly implemented one. The Last of Us had a good boss fight within the mechanics it had, and it only worked because you had a David versus Goliath match-up from the perspective of two humans.

    • @SupaahAQW
      @SupaahAQW 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well, I would say that all story games have scripted gameplay in there. Uncharted is supposed to be a cinematic movie experience where you are able to take part in the game. Naughty dog games aren't filled with 90% cutscenes. It got way more gameplay than cutscenes, and there are so many story games that have cutscenes. It's just a way for them to tell a good story and for you to be immersed. Showing something shocking or emotional never works in-game but in scripted scenes. We all know that Naughty Dog games are story based and it's obvious that they need to focus on the narrative then with great acting that shows in cutscenes more than in gameplay. In fact, it's still gameplay because it's real time. You just don't get to control the player. Uncharted has never been about having the best gameplay ever to qualify as a great game or GOTY. It pushes the bars for graphics, writing, acting in video games and narrative, while having basic gameplay that any player are able to play through. Scripted gameplay has to be there so we can enjoy setpieces in the way to make the cinematic experience feel more realistic and better. If they wouldn't be scripted, people would complain about it too.

    • @lightyagami8645
      @lightyagami8645 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      The 90 percent gameplay aren't scripted I uncharted or last of us

    • @lightyagami8645
      @lightyagami8645 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Which naughty dog game had 90% cutscene

  • @jerrettbarkley456
    @jerrettbarkley456 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The most important thing about Uncharted series is the characters and their stories. By talking the Uncharted like this sells the series short.

  • @ZulqarnainAidil
    @ZulqarnainAidil 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think there is another factor to this: Like you said in the video, the early uncharted games are not very risky products. Especially near the end of the sixth generation of Consoles, those games sold very well, since to the consumer you bought a more powerful console capable of running "Cinematic" graphics, even though that term is doesn't really mean anything and its just the publishers shoving money into the project, and it meant that even if the actual game sucked (I didn't really enjoy Drakes Fortune) at least you have that "cinematic" quality. By the seventh generation, it just escalated. Now they want cinematic games that are also large worlds (or at least the illusion of large worlds). What that meant is that Uncharted 4 is also large, although for most of the game it meant that the drops are bigger and you can go left or right when climbing. And now we're at the time where most gamers are at the "remember the good old days?" point of their life even though nothing really has changed. So naturally they give us a game from the ideas of the good old days.

  • @MrInuhanyou123
    @MrInuhanyou123 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    you can tell how that 512MB of RAM limited devs last gen in pursuit of other things. the 5GB ram of PS4 really allowed ND to keep their cinematic quality going while branching out level design appropriately

  • @xyzidor1171
    @xyzidor1171 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Naughty Dog Inc.
    Is absolutely splendid

  • @felman87
    @felman87 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    What's the name of the channel at 3:20? I honestly couldn't pick it up (sorry. my hearing sucks). And it seems the annote isn't there yet.

  • @NotOrdinaryInGames
    @NotOrdinaryInGames 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    In a perfect world, the next Jak game is a sequel (not a reboot) developed by Ready at Dawn.

  • @mark-angelofamularcano237
    @mark-angelofamularcano237 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Honestly! Lost Legacy was such a surprise to me; it was incredible! More of that mechanic (not entirely open world, not entirely linear) creates a good pace, at least for me.

  • @MariusUrucu
    @MariusUrucu 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    17:00 A video about Naughty Dog and it still has a DMC reference. :)

  • @NocturnalToothbrush
    @NocturnalToothbrush 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Uncharted and The Last Of Us for me is all about the story and clean game-play. I love it!.

  • @citizenchris2455
    @citizenchris2455 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Jak 2 is still my favorite game from this developer.

  • @wherewulfe3571
    @wherewulfe3571 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Never change brit. Great video essays

  • @bazzjedimaster
    @bazzjedimaster 7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    So when is the return of Samus review?

  • @birdqueer7231
    @birdqueer7231 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    So basically the last new tomb raider?

  • @ryantoscano9739
    @ryantoscano9739 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm a gamer who loves a more linear approach to games than the open world experience. My main issue with open world games is that a lot of the side quests, and the world in general feels like a lot of padding. "Go retrieve blah blah from blah blah and get experience." I find quests like that really bland. For me progressing your character isn't enough to make the side quest interesting to me. That's why I've always enjoyed the Uncharted series and other games that follow a more linear model. Everything is about building up the story and the characters until you get to the conclusion. I understand the appear to open world games, the Souls franchise is one of my favorite collection of games, but when that open world non linearity turns into 100's of boring side quests I check out fairly quick.

  • @twarnold14
    @twarnold14 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Finally played Lost Legacy after being inspired by the Uncharted movie (I bought the game years ago but I have a big backlog). I loved the jungle area, and I didn’t think it was too big. Hopping in the car to drive to another side didn’t feel tedious. If anything it made the area feel small because I could get to the next ruin with ease.
    While I do think a warp-room style Uncharted that mixed the open and linear sections together will be great, I also don’t see an issue with the current set up. And by that I mean the franchise seems more interested in having the player recreate an Indiana Jones movie. Exploration and discovery is there, but tensions with ancient traps, treacherous terrain, and selfish guys with too much resources all trying to kill our plucky protagonist is more of the heart of those stories.

  • @HazmanFTW
    @HazmanFTW 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hmm I would love another Jak and Daxter style game from Naughty Dog. I would if TLOU 2 was a Jak style game with a hub/open world area with missions to pick up from different people. Maybe you have Joel's brother's town from the first game and by doing the optional stuff you get different upgrades in defences for the town and in guns you can take with you.

  • @maxg9165
    @maxg9165 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Jak games were what got me into platformers, their great games especialy 3. As is the video awesome work!

  • @xXYannuschXx
    @xXYannuschXx 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    When Naughty was asked if they would ever continue Crash Bandicoot or Jak and Dacter, they replied: "We only make one franchise per console generation"
    Oh yeah, that must be the reason we are getting the second PS4 Uncharted title, being the FIFTH Uncharted game produced by them!

    • @rct3terminator1000
      @rct3terminator1000 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      That was before they made The Last of Us for PS3 though, they promptly abandoned the "one franchise per generation" idea after that.

  • @blackmanwithcomputer
    @blackmanwithcomputer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Based off the recent developer dives for The Last of Us Part 2 makes it seem like they watched this video lol.

  • @RiderontheStorm1992
    @RiderontheStorm1992 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would welcome some non-linear sections in The Last of Us 2. I think a mix of non-linear sections with linear story central sections could work out really well.

  • @TheTrailerCREAT0R
    @TheTrailerCREAT0R 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Evil Within2 basically described the day what you said about a new last of us.

  • @Dzzy123
    @Dzzy123 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is now the second video where you've said that you liked the narrative of the Jak games more than the Uncharted games. Do you think you'd ever go in depth about that in a future video?

  • @windup13ird60
    @windup13ird60 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am reminded of the greatly designed platforming and combat of the Sands of Time Trilogy and then the openness of PoP 2008 and how that game was received. I adore 08 because of its openness and chillaxing flow but even I'll admit the combat and repetition that emerged because of it was no bueno.
    Makes me want to see another super platform/parkour centric game similar to that but with more gripping and refined plot and combat. That'd be a dream for me.

  • @ParrotMan01276
    @ParrotMan01276 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    One of your patreon backers is named Geeeeeeeeeeeeeese. That is awesome.
    I can't wait to see your Resident Evil 2 road to the rocket launcher.