This game is freaking insane. How Takahashi tied it all together across three games is just unbelievable. Xenoblade has become a staple in jrpg genre rival to ff in term of story telling
It’s all planned so carefully and tied together so tightly that I wouldn’t doubt if the writers planned this exact game over 10 years ago, but changing, like Xenoblade 1, to represent the series’ artistic style in how everything looks, especially the characters. I’ve never seen anything like this in gaming since the first COD Modern Warfare series. I absolutely love stories that tie prequels and sequels together.
I think this whole "Logos would also say that" thing makes sense. The cores have been made to help humanity thrive, and they have had their own personalities regardless of their later personifications (Alvis, Pythra and Malos), which influenced their original personalities. In the end of XC2 Pneuma communicates with what we can assume - judging by the difference in the tone of his voice - is the original non-tainted version of Logos (We do not know how, though). Also, as Ontos depended on the opinions of the other two, it definitely knew them very well. This means A also remembers the original personality of Logos.
1.- Logos can be rebuilt using the info stored in pneuma and ontos / 2.- I really think it is logos talking to pneuma, he actually helped her save humanity, just go to the cutscene when she is using aion and check that two of the three trinity cores are active controlling aion
Well It's actually Logos for male, Pneuma for female, Ontos is genderless / the one stand somewhere between basically both.. Rex already said it.. But Ontos split into two Alpha / Alvis is "male" that's why A call him "he".. And A is "female" but basically they are genderless or whatever they want to be.. kinda that's why Shulk confused why A looks like a woman..
@@MisterFath Can't be genderless if you're something "in between". Being something "in between" means you would be both at once. Which isn't genderless at all. Other than that, everything else is on the mark.
@@avlenmartix557 sure you can. Androgyny can vary between being both male and female or neither. Ontos was both, first the former before becoming Alvis, then neither as A which is why A has no stated gender.
Every media property should have Rex Xenoblade Chronicles just come out and tell the audience that a character is nonbinary, I think that would improve pretty much anything
@@thewarriorofboros Here's your media literacy. Shulk comes in and asks A, "Why do you look like that?" essentially asking why A looks more feminine compared to when she was Alvis. Rex comes in and explains it's because the Ontos core crystal takes information and traits from Logos and Pnuema. When the city collapsed A the conscience that Alpha had locked away seperated from Alpha forming A, made from the FEMALE PERSONA information that was given to Ontos from Pnuema THE FEMALE AVATAR. Rex was explaining why A looks feminine, not that A is non-binary you illiterate whelp.
For anyone that is still confused, here is my interpretation. Spoilers ahead for the whole DLC and the entire trilogy. Ontos was meant to be a balance between Logos and Pneuma, being as human as they were when they were all still connected to the conduit. But once the conduit disappeared, the humanity in Logos and Pneuma were no longer there for Ontos to bounce off of, with Alpha taking over. At the city, when Alpha comes in direct contact with Logos (The Sword of the End) and Pneuma (The Fists of the End/Ouroboros Power), the humanity is freed from Alpha, resulting in A being separated.
lmao no. Aionios is a world between Shulk's and Rex' world, a simulation if you'd like, powered and created by Origin. Origin runs through Ontos' core, Aionios therefore does not contain Logos or Pneuma's cores. Because they would overpower Ontos easily.
@@wolfx.2546 Did you even play through the DLC? Pneuma’s core is shown to be in Matthew’s gauntlets, and Logos is heavily implied to be in the Sword of the End
@@wolfx.2546 Plus Origin is just meant to hold the information of the two worlds, using Ontos to process and store that information. Ontos still has information on Pneuma and Logos from when they were all still connected to the conduit, which explains why they’re in Aionios. Things are shown to be constructed from Ontos’ memory, so it’s not a stretch in the slightest for Pneuma and Logos to still exist
@@megascizor8275 During the final cutscene, when Shulk and Rex are extending Glimmer and Nikol’s lives, A talks about how its “against the rules” to do so. Both Rex and Shulk talk about how “‘they’ wouldn’t hesitate to do the same” as the camera cuts to focus N’s sword (The Sword of the End), Matthew’s fists (which we know have Pneuma in them), and then it cuts to A, who is Ontos.
Okay so let me see if I got this, because Xenoblade can really mess with my head. Alvis was part of Alpha who wanted to destroy the world. And when the city exploded by Grandpa Gondor’s powers it split a part of Alvis off Alpha. That part then formed into A?
I think Alvis is kinda the “main AI” of the _entire_ Trinity Processor, using Ontos as the base but relying on Pneuma and Logos for emotional judgement. When they were removed, Ontos no longer had emotions so it decided to lock away those emotions(who became A) and became the more robotic Alpha.
A is the female aspects of Ontos, while Alpha is the male. It's more that Ontos is the only one of the three Trinity cores that never had a driver and still recognizes itself as an AI/robot on some level.
my mind was blowen that A is alvis along and her and alpha split in to two. but there something i never understand is why does alpha now wields the monado. the game never told us why hes useing it.
@@NocturnalNeonNights i mostly see Alpha as a different being but just useing alvis's old body since hes a machine. so i guess the game told us that A really is alvis and he she is the true weilder of the monado and not alpha. thats my way of seeing it.
Okay I thought at the end of original Xenoblade Alvis died to help create the new world but nope apparently he survived somehow I can get pyra and mythra surviving go watch the ending I don't have time to explain when their world was recreated but alvis surviving the recreation is surprising but wait what caused the Two Worlds to rejoin I don't think it was very much to explain in the base game and if it was then I just completely forgot
Was pretty sure it was Zanza that kept the worlds separate- so when he was destroyed in XC1, and the architect died in XC2 the worlds started to move back together in an annihilation event that would've destroyed them both-- (implied to be something about the balance between the two being off and they just naturally attract eachother) Then to stop that, the main cast of the first two games made Origin as a way to basically back up all life on both worlds and recreate them once the annihilation event finished--- but then the Moebius intervened to stop the collision moments before anyone could die and Aionios was formed instead--- with the ending of base 3 actually consisting of them restarting time/ basically continuing that event/ and then origin completing its intended purpose and restoring everyone as they were before the worlds collided.
Alvis is not a human or a living being as described in the cutscenes, alvis is a learning computer, and at the end of xenoblade 1 he went on to be something that holds the world the xenoblade 1 world together, alvis also shouldered klaus regret of creating a new world. But alvis being a part of ontos was created based on the opinions of pneuma and logos, but both of them are gone to which ontos lost the ability to learn from their personalities. As a result ontos comes back as alvis, but discards all that alvis was and becomes nothing but a machine alpha
@@XenaticLuxoit is not convoluted if you pay attention. Alvis as Ontos has never died (just served no purpose any longer), neither Logos in xc2 is died. Ontos (not Alvis) found purpose again in xc3 but grew antagonistic due to as arbiter found no feedback from the other two processors.
This is my personal interpretation. I don’t really see Ontos as non-binary, but more specifically gender-fluid (which from what I’ve heard falls under the non-binary umbrella so I guess you can disregard my first point). Ontos can manifest themself as different personas, as we’ve already seen with Alvis and A. After the Ontos core was integrated into Origin, they reawakened as a heartless machine, Alpha, due to the absence of a human presence to bond with. After Ghondor unleashed his Ouroboros powers during the City’s destruction, Alvis was separated from Ontos in a new persona named A.
Yeah, being genderfluid falls under the non-binary umbrella, because you can also identify as both, and also identify as none of them. Alvis was genderfluid from the start. Even Melia doesn't recognize him as a male homs in the first game.
Ontos is a magic supercomputer-turned sassy british twink named Alvis. At the end of XC1, he fucked off to somewhere else, reverted to his heartless machine nature, changed his name to Alpha, then came back and tried to destroy Aionios. Rex, Shulk, and Z held him off for a bit, but then he possessed Na’el. N whooped Alpha/Na’el’s ass and then Ghondor exploded which caused Alpha to split in two. The human half, formed from memories of being Alvis, became A. The heartless machine half stayed possessing Na’el
@@checob224 sorry, it was a bit of a Joke, although, she does act a lot like Elma. Also in the after Credits scene the glimmering light could be project Exodus. And Earth could Actually be Mira
Oh yes, the constant arguing about a machine having a gender. Completely understand that A is feminine presenting but also no one in the game refers to A with any feminine pronouns. Those characters can exist. A really got the they/she or all pronoun vibe.
It’s just a bit confusing since Alpha is like A’s other half and is always referred to as he/him, but A gets the they treatment when I expected she/her. Since Ontos is between genders, wouldn’t it make sense for each half to be one of each gender, or for neither to? But it can’t be neither since Alpha is he/him so uh yeah, tripped me up
Pneuma would also say that all life matters and must be saved but logos? I doubt he would say the same thing. I mean maybe if didn't awake with a driver full of malice then yes. Still, I need to reach chapter 5 in order to see if some questions are answered. At least regarding the base game
Logos is what Malos would have been under the circumstances of not being awakened by literally the one guy that made Klaus lose hope in XC2's humanity. At the end of the game, it's pretty clear (Or at least, it would seems like that to Rex) that Malos was only trying to destroy the world because he realized Amalthus' taint messed with his mind, and didn't think there was any way to redeem himself, despite Rex clearly being willing to give it a try.
@samu1414 It's entirely possible that Klaus wasn't be entirely specific with what he meant. Beforehand, Logos was literally a core crystal without a personality. Every other core crystal that we've seen awakens based on what those who awakened them ask for. It's especially apparent with Ontos, whose actual form is literally just a green point of light because no one ever awakened him. It's more likely that Logos might awaken to naturally be abrasive and kind of a jerk. His power would still be as destructive as it was when Amalthus awoke him. That would make sense since Logos is connected to Pneuma. But the Xeno franchise has always had people of enormous power, and whether they do good or evil is based on what their purpose is and their personalities. Pneuma pretty quickly realizes that Amalthus' poisonous influence is why Malos is such a lunatic just from seeing how he really is for a few minutes. Logos would definitely be more of a destroyer than Pneuma and her offshoots are, but I have serious doubts that he'd be a flat-out villain if, say, Addam awoke him.
@@travisoliver6741 Amalthus wasn't helping but Logos existed as an AI tester for the conduit before Amalthus awoke him. Blades have personalities that are influenced by their drivers but aren't dictated by it, see every single other named blade awoken being different. This is also partially the role that Logos is supposed to fill in the Trinity Processor, Pnuema wants to protect the world, Logos wants to destroy it and Ontos is there to create it anew. Logos 100% was always destined to be one that rebels against the world and tries to destroy it, but Amalthus was just the one to push it over the edge.
SPOILERS It's heavily implied they bonded with Matthew if you look at what people say during the ending sequences and where the camera focuses. You can even see what seems to be their Crystal.
Love how xenoblade always goes full circle. For those confused think of it like this: A complete Alpha transcends gender and would be seen as “nonbinary” but has both components of male n female, split apart the two beings only possess one sex each which is why A is a girl.👍
Alvis mentioned in XC1 that they came from a long line of "seers" and has likely been both a man and a woman before. A is never referred to as a woman nor are any pronouns used for A in the DLC. Gender fluid (or trans in general) is correct for A/Alvis.
Honestly I don't actually buy Rex's explanation on trinity processor core's personas to an extent. I honestly can see the blade form of Logos and Pneuma's gender and personal being flipped if their core crystals given to a different driver. I assumed the reason why A has female body to begin with is that to not only to distinguish herself from Alpha, but also because she doesn't care about gender as she still person underneath regardless of what sex they are. Plus it was never explain if the AIs in the trinity processor cores actually had gender identity to begin with lol
I was gonna correct you and mention Roc and Juniper, but then I remembered that Alvis has been around longer, even if it hasn’t been explicitly confirmed until now xD
A isn't really trans she is a new person created from the Ontos core, so she was always female. Think of it like how the avaters work in the last airbender. All of them are technical, the same person, but they are also serprate at teh same time.
No she's female, what they meant is that Ontos, the core crystal, was an AI that cause of the many events in the series did take different shapes not taking gender in consideration because there was not a pre-enstabilished one. In the first Xenoblade Ontos appeared as Alvis because he was influenced by the resentment of Klaus, while here in Aionios things get complicated... Ontos/Alvis needed a vessel to inhabit the world, and it ended up choosing Na'El because of the will to keep the new life safe that they both shared; since Na'El is a female Ontos gained a female body. Then due to the uroboros explotion, Ontos was splitted in two entities: Alpha in the Body of Na'El being just the IA, and A also in a female body (probably "copying" Na'El) being the feelings and memories It gained during the events of Xenoblade 1. So A is fully female and those that claims she's non binary or even Trans are just creeps that just want to project their ideas into the game.
@Tapion I hate those people that wants to make every character trans or gay event though those characters are not that. Is like they can't live their lives knowing that the character they are trying to change, is straight.
Shulk, they told me I could become anything, so I have decided to become a waifu.
This game is freaking insane. How Takahashi tied it all together across three games is just unbelievable. Xenoblade has become a staple in jrpg genre rival to ff in term of story telling
That's a high praise from someone who think FF is killing Nintendo and this game.
Glad you're not just a Nintendo hating troll.
three games? u think just three?
do we tell him?
With that said, yes it is phenomenal
There's still a fourth game pending.
Still, not on the same level as Xenogears or the first Xenosaga tho.
@@iryu7288 FF hasnt been good in awhile lol.
It’s all planned so carefully and tied together so tightly that I wouldn’t doubt if the writers planned this exact game over 10 years ago, but changing, like Xenoblade 1, to represent the series’ artistic style in how everything looks, especially the characters. I’ve never seen anything like this in gaming since the first COD Modern Warfare series. I absolutely love stories that tie prequels and sequels together.
I think this whole "Logos would also say that" thing makes sense.
The cores have been made to help humanity thrive, and they have had their own personalities regardless of their later personifications (Alvis, Pythra and Malos), which influenced their original personalities.
In the end of XC2 Pneuma communicates with what we can assume - judging by the difference in the tone of his voice - is the original non-tainted version of Logos (We do not know how, though).
Also, as Ontos depended on the opinions of the other two, it definitely knew them very well.
This means A also remembers the original personality of Logos.
They are supercomputers. Perhaps she managed to copy Malos’ core before he disappeared and filled in the damaged bits with their memory
1.- Logos can be rebuilt using the info stored in pneuma and ontos / 2.- I really think it is logos talking to pneuma, he actually helped her save humanity, just go to the cutscene when she is using aion and check that two of the three trinity cores are active controlling aion
Ah yes, Onthos for male, Pneuma for female and A for A
Well It's actually Logos for male, Pneuma for female, Ontos is genderless / the one stand somewhere between basically both.. Rex already said it.. But Ontos split into two Alpha / Alvis is "male" that's why A call him "he".. And A is "female" but basically they are genderless or whatever they want to be.. kinda that's why Shulk confused why A looks like a woman..
@@MisterFath Can't be genderless if you're something "in between". Being something "in between" means you would be both at once. Which isn't genderless at all. Other than that, everything else is on the mark.
Nonbinary Ontos
Ontos is halfway in between male and female, but considering that A still calls Ontos “he” it seems like he’s still male
@@avlenmartix557 sure you can. Androgyny can vary between being both male and female or neither. Ontos was both, first the former before becoming Alvis, then neither as A which is why A has no stated gender.
This is peak fan service and i love it
Every media property should have Rex Xenoblade Chronicles just come out and tell the audience that a character is nonbinary, I think that would improve pretty much anything
XD YES PLEASE
That's not what happened but okay.
@@Tharja-iBW Staggering new lows in media literacy
@@thewarriorofboros Here's your media literacy.
Shulk comes in and asks A, "Why do you look like that?" essentially asking why A looks more feminine compared to when she was Alvis.
Rex comes in and explains it's because the Ontos core crystal takes information and traits from Logos and Pnuema. When the city collapsed A the conscience that Alpha had locked away seperated from Alpha forming A, made from the FEMALE PERSONA information that was given to Ontos from Pnuema THE FEMALE AVATAR.
Rex was explaining why A looks feminine, not that A is non-binary you illiterate whelp.
@@Tharja-iBWyou'll get that gold medal for mental gymnastics one of these days bud I believe in you
For anyone that is still confused, here is my interpretation. Spoilers ahead for the whole DLC and the entire trilogy.
Ontos was meant to be a balance between Logos and Pneuma, being as human as they were when they were all still connected to the conduit. But once the conduit disappeared, the humanity in Logos and Pneuma were no longer there for Ontos to bounce off of, with Alpha taking over. At the city, when Alpha comes in direct contact with Logos (The Sword of the End) and Pneuma (The Fists of the End/Ouroboros Power), the humanity is freed from Alpha, resulting in A being separated.
lmao no. Aionios is a world between Shulk's and Rex' world, a simulation if you'd like, powered and created by Origin. Origin runs through Ontos' core, Aionios therefore does not contain Logos or Pneuma's cores. Because they would overpower Ontos easily.
@@wolfx.2546 Did you even play through the DLC? Pneuma’s core is shown to be in Matthew’s gauntlets, and Logos is heavily implied to be in the Sword of the End
@@wolfx.2546 Plus Origin is just meant to hold the information of the two worlds, using Ontos to process and store that information. Ontos still has information on Pneuma and Logos from when they were all still connected to the conduit, which explains why they’re in Aionios. Things are shown to be constructed from Ontos’ memory, so it’s not a stretch in the slightest for Pneuma and Logos to still exist
@_Stealth_ Where is it implied Logos is in the sword of the end?
@@megascizor8275 During the final cutscene, when Shulk and Rex are extending Glimmer and Nikol’s lives, A talks about how its “against the rules” to do so. Both Rex and Shulk talk about how “‘they’ wouldn’t hesitate to do the same” as the camera cuts to focus N’s sword (The Sword of the End), Matthew’s fists (which we know have Pneuma in them), and then it cuts to A, who is Ontos.
A is the personification of Alvis' memories and personality! But with feminine features!
Codename the Sister Unit.
N is a beast screwing up everyone's plan
I doubt “Logos” would fully agree but maybe him without the corruption
I mean, that’s what the ending of 2 said. If Logos had known someone like Rex…
So if he were around in 3 he would have definately agreed
Yeah, Logos got the short end of the stick when Amalthus found him.
@@krsynx Spoilers:
Old habits die hard, it's implied that he's actually N's sword.
@@mrbubbles6468 Rex says that and logos corrects him
@@karlthorkildson4650 poor dude stuck as the end bringer, I wonder how exactly though (even though I subsrcribe to that theory), any theories?
*Alvis becomes a Female conscious*
Shulk: i really feeling it
I would like to say that Rex is probably about to become a new mascot for nonbinary people
Rule 5 of the Salvager’s Code: Always be friendly when they say they’re an enby.
@@TheShanicpower A is female in the coding.
Go to hell I love Rex
Keep your religion out of games.
@@elinacarmina3050you can be female and non-binary it’s not hard to understand
Okay so let me see if I got this, because Xenoblade can really mess with my head.
Alvis was part of Alpha who wanted to destroy the world. And when the city exploded by Grandpa Gondor’s powers it split a part of Alvis off Alpha.
That part then formed into A?
I think It's Alvis = Alpha + A.
I think Alvis is kinda the “main AI” of the _entire_ Trinity Processor, using Ontos as the base but relying on Pneuma and Logos for emotional judgement. When they were removed, Ontos no longer had emotions so it decided to lock away those emotions(who became A) and became the more robotic Alpha.
@@krsynx it’s Ontos = Alpha + A. Alvis = Ontos + Klaus’ lingering regret. Alvis is Malos’ equivalent
Don't try too hard to make much sense of it, cause its very inconsistent and convoluted.
@@raphnoble808slight inconsistency exists, yes. Though I wouldn't say convoluted: The story is still very digestible.
Rule 63 strikes again
The 3 genders
Male
Female
A
A is the female aspects of Ontos, while Alpha is the male. It's more that Ontos is the only one of the three Trinity cores that never had a driver and still recognizes itself as an AI/robot on some level.
This is peak Xenoblade, this is what makes the series amazing!
my mind was blowen that A is alvis along and her and alpha split in to two.
but there something i never understand is why does alpha now wields the monado.
the game never told us why hes useing it.
“I am monado” -Alvis during XC1 Zanza fight
@@productions1203 sept thats Alvis not Alpha
@@NocturnalNeonNights i mostly see Alpha as a different being but just useing alvis's old body since hes a machine. so i guess the game told us that A really is alvis and he she is the true weilder of the monado and not alpha. thats my way of seeing it.
Okay I thought at the end of original Xenoblade Alvis died to help create the new world but nope apparently he survived somehow I can get pyra and mythra surviving go watch the ending I don't have time to explain when their world was recreated but alvis surviving the recreation is surprising but wait what caused the Two Worlds to rejoin I don't think it was very much to explain in the base game and if it was then I just completely forgot
As best we know at present, they were drawn back together since they were originally one.
Was pretty sure it was Zanza that kept the worlds separate- so when he was destroyed in XC1, and the architect died in XC2 the worlds started to move back together in an annihilation event that would've destroyed them both-- (implied to be something about the balance between the two being off and they just naturally attract eachother)
Then to stop that, the main cast of the first two games made Origin as a way to basically back up all life on both worlds and recreate them once the annihilation event finished--- but then the Moebius intervened to stop the collision moments before anyone could die and Aionios was formed instead--- with the ending of base 3 actually consisting of them restarting time/ basically continuing that event/ and then origin completing its intended purpose and restoring everyone as they were before the worlds collided.
@@FateTheArcher Thank you for the straightforward explanation. 3 is convoluted
Alvis is not a human or a living being as described in the cutscenes, alvis is a learning computer, and at the end of xenoblade 1 he went on to be something that holds the world the xenoblade 1 world together, alvis also shouldered klaus regret of creating a new world. But alvis being a part of ontos was created based on the opinions of pneuma and logos, but both of them are gone to which ontos lost the ability to learn from their personalities. As a result ontos comes back as alvis, but discards all that alvis was and becomes nothing but a machine alpha
@@XenaticLuxoit is not convoluted if you pay attention. Alvis as Ontos has never died (just served no purpose any longer), neither Logos in xc2 is died. Ontos (not Alvis) found purpose again in xc3 but grew antagonistic due to as arbiter found no feedback from the other two processors.
簡単な説明 Logos is eraser puneuma is pen ontos is paper
基本的に本来の彼らに善悪は存在しない。あるのは役割だけ
Interesting analogy. I hadn't thought of it that way...
This is my personal interpretation. I don’t really see Ontos as non-binary, but more specifically gender-fluid (which from what I’ve heard falls under the non-binary umbrella so I guess you can disregard my first point). Ontos can manifest themself as different personas, as we’ve already seen with Alvis and A. After the Ontos core was integrated into Origin, they reawakened as a heartless machine, Alpha, due to the absence of a human presence to bond with. After Ghondor unleashed his Ouroboros powers during the City’s destruction, Alvis was separated from Ontos in a new persona named A.
This is the take I subscribe to as well.
Yeah, being genderfluid falls under the non-binary umbrella, because you can also identify as both, and also identify as none of them.
Alvis was genderfluid from the start. Even Melia doesn't recognize him as a male homs in the first game.
Haha these comments are clown world. Gender fluid and non binary are made up neo communist words.
Honestly, this reveal about the nature of Ontos reminds me of Kagato in Tenchi Muyo.
Rex is still the same in a lot of ways
Can some explain who A is. it’s the red core . What else
She's a part of Ontos/Alvis that split off. Primarily the part that was influenced by Zanza and Shulk albeit its all hazy to her.
A is essentially a separate half of Ontos, who embodies Alvis' human conscience and memories he had with Shulk and his friends.
Ontos is a magic supercomputer-turned sassy british twink named Alvis. At the end of XC1, he fucked off to somewhere else, reverted to his heartless machine nature, changed his name to Alpha, then came back and tried to destroy Aionios. Rex, Shulk, and Z held him off for a bit, but then he possessed Na’el. N whooped Alpha/Na’el’s ass and then Ghondor exploded which caused Alpha to split in two. The human half, formed from memories of being Alvis, became A. The heartless machine half stayed possessing Na’el
@@alenor210 so let me get this straight the red core was Elvis so it’s split and gave two different personalities
@Alex Denton A is female lol. Avils = Alpha(M) + A(F)
A Is Alma, Confirmed.
E is Elvis Confirmed too!
Alma, you mean elma?
@@checob224 whoops! Sorry, forgot about, that was her real name.
@@luistrejo3326 can you tell me how is she confirmed?
@@checob224 sorry, it was a bit of a Joke, although, she does act a lot like Elma. Also in the after Credits scene the glimmering light could be project Exodus. And Earth could Actually be Mira
Oh yes, the constant arguing about a machine having a gender. Completely understand that A is feminine presenting but also no one in the game refers to A with any feminine pronouns. Those characters can exist. A really got the they/she or all pronoun vibe.
It’s a computer processor. It would logically be called “it”.
I’d say all pronouns probably apply for A, but I personally prefer to use they/them since they’re never gendered explicitly.
@@TheShanicpower Except in the game’s code, which designates A as a she.
It’s just a bit confusing since Alpha is like A’s other half and is always referred to as he/him, but A gets the they treatment when I expected she/her. Since Ontos is between genders, wouldn’t it make sense for each half to be one of each gender, or for neither to? But it can’t be neither since Alpha is he/him so uh yeah, tripped me up
@@thebristolbruiserGame’s code doesn’t specify pronouns.
Im trying to wrap my head on how all of this can conect to xenogears
A making act up
Pneuma would also say that all life matters and must be saved but logos? I doubt he would say the same thing. I mean maybe if didn't awake with a driver full of malice then yes.
Still, I need to reach chapter 5 in order to see if some questions are answered. At least regarding the base game
Logos is what Malos would have been under the circumstances of not being awakened by literally the one guy that made Klaus lose hope in XC2's humanity.
At the end of the game, it's pretty clear (Or at least, it would seems like that to Rex) that Malos was only trying to destroy the world because he realized Amalthus' taint messed with his mind, and didn't think there was any way to redeem himself, despite Rex clearly being willing to give it a try.
No, Logos directly asked Klaus and Klaus said "Amalthus didn't help but you definitely were born this way"
@samu1414 It's entirely possible that Klaus wasn't be entirely specific with what he meant. Beforehand, Logos was literally a core crystal without a personality. Every other core crystal that we've seen awakens based on what those who awakened them ask for. It's especially apparent with Ontos, whose actual form is literally just a green point of light because no one ever awakened him.
It's more likely that Logos might awaken to naturally be abrasive and kind of a jerk. His power would still be as destructive as it was when Amalthus awoke him. That would make sense since Logos is connected to Pneuma. But the Xeno franchise has always had people of enormous power, and whether they do good or evil is based on what their purpose is and their personalities. Pneuma pretty quickly realizes that Amalthus' poisonous influence is why Malos is such a lunatic just from seeing how he really is for a few minutes.
Logos would definitely be more of a destroyer than Pneuma and her offshoots are, but I have serious doubts that he'd be a flat-out villain if, say, Addam awoke him.
@@travisoliver6741 Amalthus wasn't helping but Logos existed as an AI tester for the conduit before Amalthus awoke him. Blades have personalities that are influenced by their drivers but aren't dictated by it, see every single other named blade awoken being different. This is also partially the role that Logos is supposed to fill in the Trinity Processor, Pnuema wants to protect the world, Logos wants to destroy it and Ontos is there to create it anew. Logos 100% was always destined to be one that rebels against the world and tries to destroy it, but Amalthus was just the one to push it over the edge.
@@samu1414 Your approach reminds me a lot of Trimurti: Destruction (Logos/Shiva); Preservation (Pneuma/Vishnu); and Creation (Ontos/Brahma)
Hi
Where’s pneuma 😭
RIP...
SPOILERS
It's heavily implied they bonded with Matthew if you look at what people say during the ending sequences and where the camera focuses. You can even see what seems to be their Crystal.
@@karlthorkildson4650 Not bonded, but he holds their core crystal in his knuckles
They pretty much confirmed that Matthew has Pneuma’s core crystal. It’s on his hand
Love how xenoblade always goes full circle. For those confused think of it like this: A complete Alpha transcends gender and would be seen as “nonbinary” but has both components of male n female, split apart the two beings only possess one sex each which is why A is a girl.👍
...so alvis in xenoblade 1 didn't have a pp?
Alvis mentioned in XC1 that they came from a long line of "seers" and has likely been both a man and a woman before. A is never referred to as a woman nor are any pronouns used for A in the DLC. Gender fluid (or trans in general) is correct for A/Alvis.
@@Aether776 it's a japanese game
@@Aether776 japanese devellopers
@@sarthakverma1030 he did but that wasn’t his complete form, just how he chose to represent himself during xc1
So a is alvis?
Yes.
No and yes at the same time.
A embodies Alvis' consciousness, just like Alpha is Alvis' pure reasoning, but Alvis himself doesn't exist anymore.
Honestly I don't actually buy Rex's explanation on trinity processor core's personas to an extent. I honestly can see the blade form of Logos and Pneuma's gender and personal being flipped if their core crystals given to a different driver. I assumed the reason why A has female body to begin with is that to not only to distinguish herself from Alpha, but also because she doesn't care about gender as she still person underneath regardless of what sex they are. Plus it was never explain if the AIs in the trinity processor cores actually had gender identity to begin with lol
They are just the emotions after being remove alpha didn't have any, forget about the make female part.
I think every game should have Rex walk on screen to explain when a character is trans from now on.
Makes total sense now for Nintendo Twitter choosing to introduce Alpha as non-binary
The first Trans character in Xenoblade
I was gonna correct you and mention Roc and Juniper, but then I remembered that Alvis has been around longer, even if it hasn’t been explicitly confirmed until now xD
A isn't really trans she is a new person created from the Ontos core, so she was always female.
Think of it like how the avaters work in the last airbender. All of them are technical, the same person, but they are also serprate at teh same time.
Sooooo what gender is she a male or female?
“Somewhere in between”
A is female, Alvis is male, Ontos doesn't care.
Non-Binary
Female. Very clearly.
@@asprinjuice425it all adds up to me
Great "A" is between male and female... Just what we needed more of in 2023... I'm just don't with this series, polygamy, fan service etc... 🤦🏾♂
Stop it with your hater bs. Just leave and shu.t up.
No she's female, what they meant is that Ontos, the core crystal, was an AI that cause of the many events in the series did take different shapes not taking gender in consideration because there was not a pre-enstabilished one. In the first Xenoblade Ontos appeared as Alvis because he was influenced by the resentment of Klaus, while here in Aionios things get complicated...
Ontos/Alvis needed a vessel to inhabit the world, and it ended up choosing Na'El because of the will to keep the new life safe that they both shared; since Na'El is a female Ontos gained a female body. Then due to the uroboros explotion, Ontos was splitted in two entities: Alpha in the Body of Na'El being just the IA, and A also in a female body (probably "copying" Na'El) being the feelings and memories It gained during the events of Xenoblade 1. So A is fully female and those that claims she's non binary or even Trans are just creeps that just want to project their ideas into the game.
@@tapion2511 Finally, someone with common sense
@Tapion I hate those people that wants to make every character trans or gay event though those characters are not that. Is like they can't live their lives knowing that the character they are trying to change, is straight.
I've seen you somewhere before. You're no fun.