N's Resolution Xenoblade Chronicles 3
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ค. 2022
- Just like with the M video, I had a hard time finding a way to word this upload without massively spoiling everything, which made me really sweat for a while. Okay, I put some text in the description before committing to it so let's get into it in the next paragraph.
N is Noah. Mio has inherited M's body in a way that reminds me of Romancing SaGa 2 Inheritance Magic but backwards. And now N!Noah has to come to terms with what happened, which brings a beautiful plot arc to a close. The voice acting on both Noah and N himself were incredible and I loved it all.
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N: It’s just me in my void
Noah: It’s called grief, N.
N: No it’s not
Also N: *aggrieved grunts*
I think this scene flies over a lot of people’s heads. This is not meant to be a full redemption for N, nor is it complete forgiveness for him. Some people like to say that N is a failure of a sympathetic villain, and that he is “forgiven” far too easily, but I think this is an easy misread of his character. You as the player are not meant to sympathize with N, as his actions are undoubtedly evil and his motives are entirely selfish. You are however, meant to EMPATHIZE with him, in other words, to merely understand him. To understand what drove him to the deepest pits of despair. Future Redeemed further drives this point home. He is a broken man, unable to carry the weight of life and has to lie to himself and the world in order to cope with actions he knew full well were evil. He is plagued with guilt and regret to the point of it driving him borderline insane, and of course that is no excuse for anything he does. It doesn’t make it ok that he chose what he did simply because he felt bad about it afterwards. M calls him out on this when she sees the ruins of the city, (even if mio says “but that’s ok too” lol). But there’s a silver lining, and that’s Noah’s unwavering understanding of N’s point of view, and the world itself, and how the nature of both led them all to this point. This scene does not represent N’s forgiveness and all being well, no, it is meant to be completely starting over, getting a CHANCE at redemption, because there was once good in him, Noah’s existence is proof and evidence. Not once does the game ever act like what N did was ok, it only ever emphasizes the sheer difficulty of choosing between the future of the world and your descendants and the one you love most, and like most flawed individuals in the real world, N chose selfishly for his own love.
What this scene is trying to say is, I think, in spite of your mistakes, it is never too late to start over and move on. It is never too late to make a change in yourself and the world, no matter how scary it can seem. Maybe things in the world around you are worse because of the things you’ve done in life, but that doesn’t mean you can’t try to move forward and do good again anyway. After all, that is one of the core themes of Xenoblade 3. And by joining with Noah and becoming whole once more, destroying Z and Aionios, he is able to redeem Noah’s future, even if not necessarily himself.
Good analysis. I also got that vibe. N got dealt with a shitty hand. As u said, there is s part of him that knew it was the wrong choice but he still chose it.
I think Mio’s “but that’s ok too” thing is a callback to the lesson they learned from Ghondor about not just blindly sacrificing everything to get out of a bad situation, but having the willingness to “protect the now” and not sacrifice people of the present. Not to say N did that in the most morally appropriate way, but Future Redeemed goes to lengths to show how he opposes Alpha’s desire to just wipe the slate clean and sacrifice everything to send a chosen few people to a temporarily better world. Furthermore, Crys gives Noah (with the rest of the party in earshot) the lesson of being content with ones lot in life, and I think these lessons among others brought Noah and Mio closer to understanding N, without tilting them so far as to wanting eternal stagnation and hollow security.
Noah/N's VA is such a chad. Dude carried the 2nd half of the game for me
The name is Harry Mcentire you're welcome
I wouldn't say he *carried* but he.......oh who am I kidding? He definitely carries 🤣
This hits way different after FR, this is a broken man
"Who knows...maybe it'll even be you"
Bro they need to make N’s hair available for Noah
Agreed.
hair and outfit just like mio, altho she already has hair switch and can be controlled with M suit for a short time. DLC i guess
Yeah. We already can play as Mio with M's outfit (albeir for a short time, though you can at least switch between long and short hair). Why not make it so we can have Noah wear N's outfit?
@@milesstorzillo7650 doesn’t make sense since they didn’t switch bodies and stuff but hopefully it will be a dlc accessory
A wise man once said "I don't wish for forever, all i want is my life with her. Thats plenty."
Rest in peace jin and lora
But what is a man to do, when he's denied even that?
Jin was amazing. I wish N was as good as him
@@boredgoddesstori6635 N makes more sense than Jin imo. Understandable that Jin lost his love/Driver, but wanting to kill all humans is a huge leap in logic that doesn't make sense even if you played Torna. He should have only wanted to kill Amalthus. Meanwhile the reason N became Moebius makes much more sense and is more relatable.
@@LifeMushroom N only really cared for Mio and nothing else. Jin on the other hand not just cared for Lora but how Blades are treated. Remember that between losing Lora and joining Malos there were probably hundreds of years and trough out that time, Jin saw how people never changed and always repeated the same mistakes. Blades were nothing but slaves for most of the humans, nothing like Torna (the continent) was.
Also I enjoyed Jin way more because he actually had a ton of screentime. Xenoblade 3, due to having 20+ villains wasn‘t able to properly flesh out N as a villain. He just sort of appears in a few minor scenes early on, talks some cryptic stuff and then get‘s his real spotlight during Chapter 5 and 6 (and Chapter 4 if we count those like, 2 or 3 cutscenes at the end of that Chapter)
Also I just don‘t like some of N‘s lines like: „Don‘t you look smug with my woman on your arm“
Really can‘t take him serious at times
I love how they incorporated a love story turn corruption into the main character
From mixed bath scenes to down right promoting polygamy. How repulsive can this game get. At least it not as bad as the fan service in XC2. What a mess, this series needs to end especially with all the occult symbols...
Overdone and boring.
@@gravityfallscanada occult?
@@gravityfallscanada WTF get a life dude.
@@Canthereoup This dude has to be baiting sad loser I tell you lmao.
This is what happend if Anakin and Vader got seperated
After what happened in DLC, it is not hard to understand why N got more insane in the main game despite M is with him as his final string of support.. When M also left him, he is totally crumbled..
He's a broken man, who just wanted to be with his love forever. It's hard to let go of loved ones. And at times one will even go so far as walking through Hell just to be with then again.
All I did... is for you😢
@@crows2708 bullshit, did it solely for himself.
It's his own fault.
@@MrSupersmash93it wasn't even he did it for himself. Z played him, forced him to make the choice rashly because Alpha was making moves to use the City to lead them into the Past, before Klaus's actions splits the world's apart
Future Redeemed really bettered my opinion on N. He was already a great antagonist in my eyes, it was just his forgiveness scene and defeating of Z I had a problem with.
Come FR, going in depth with the destruction of the City finally got me to make sense of his motivations. Everything he has tried to do has ended in failure: From beating Z, to keeping Mio safe, to killing his Son by mistake. Once his Mio went through with the Homecoming, anything hopes he ever had of feeling like he did something right at all went downhill.
The world that Moebius, that Z created, is a world where no one has the right to live a life of their choosing. Moebius has the world and life itself in the palm of their hands. And every attempts he made to protect anything has ended in failure and tragedy. It’s no wonder N became regret itself.
Matthew’s words at the end of FR really came to light from Chapter 5 onwards. It’s no wonder why N hated Noah and want to savor his suffering. Anything he does to him is proof that there’s no hope for him or the world. It wasn’t until Noah showed N that he understood his suffering that N finally sees the error of his ways.
"well don't you look smug with my woman on your arm" lemme tell you the gutteral laugh i let out. I cant believe XC3 finally got a cucking arc
Bro legit is cucking himself
Bruh whatchu mean? there’s been a cucking arc in every game.
Melia getting cucked by fiora
Nia getting cucked by pyra (temporarily)
This a reoccurring theme for the series.
@@aegeon5650 ......damn you right
you know what they say
you can't speLL NTR WITHOUT N
Noah
The Wielder of the Monado
Rex
Harry McEntire’s rent was due
The thematic depth in every line of these cutscenes would fill novels of discussion. Even the line 'took you long enough' holds so much weight that I am floored.
1:03 Kailen when you battle him with Ogerpon on your team:
I wish there was a way to use n's version of Noah's blade in the game
If you do the side quest that upgrades the base weapons all the main characters use, you'll realize that Noah and Mio's look identical to M and N's, but with swapped out colors to match the character.
@@Nate-xg8jl I never noticed that. That’s kinda cool
I really enjoy that Mio tells N it's okay for him to have chosen to want to protect what was. Sure, he chose wrong because in the end, he's only delaying that inevitable separation... but she doesn't demean him for wanting to stay in the now. They don't tell him he's an idiot, they acknowledge that it's a human wish. That it's something everyone wants to do and only a few stay to do that. They show him an understanding while also not necessarily excusing his villain like behavior. I never noticed that when I first beat him because I was too busy almost crying.
It reminds me a lot of Celeste now that I think about it
Spoilers
In chapter 6, Madeline tries to get rid of her “other self” representing her doubts and anxiety, and her other self retaliates by sending her all the way to the bottom of the mountain when she was pretty close to the top. Then at the end of the chapter, she understands her mistake and chases after her other self so she can reconcile, understanding that her anxiety and doubt aren’t just some parasite to cut off but a part of her personality that she needs to work alongside in order to fully realize her potential. Doubt is just a means of processing information to help maintain stability and safety, and we need that to stay alive. We get stuck and can’t go on when we give in entirely to our worries, but we’re also incomplete without them. And that’s exactly why Noah and Mio, Ouroboros, fuse with their Moebius selves, and why only then do they free the world from its fear
N: You make a good other.
Noah: Thanks.
nice KH reference😢
@@crowsaneko60 Glad you noticed it immediately because this fight & emotional scene gave me KH2 vibes when Sora fought & defeated Roxas. I dunno why, but both Roxas & N are kinda similar. Both were in evil organizations, both were depressed, & both are imperfect versions of Sora & Noah. And also, both Roxas & N go back to Sora & Noah’s bodies. And lastly, the relationship that Roxas & Namine had with each other & Sora & Kairi is very similar to the relationship that N & M have with each other & with Noah & Mio. I wouldn’t be surprised if Monolith Soft took some inspiration from Kingdom Hearts because it kinda game me vibes from certain scenes.
I would be on the same boat as you. Throughout Xenoblade Chronicles 3, I really thought it was the Kingdom Hearts 3 of the Xenoblade series. The difference is that Kingdom Hearts 3 took a long time to be released where as XC3 didn't take long to be released. So it's possible that they took some liberties from the KH series. But back to N and Roxas, both of them suffered greatly. Roxas is a tragic hero that did not deserve any pain whatsoever and N used to be the embodiment hope until he became Mobius because of Z. Both are similar but their paths that they take are different. In a way, it's why I like these characters very much.
@@SparkingHerothe only couple of small differences is that Roxas spent about a year existing and then “dies” a hero saving Sora and his friends, while N spent centuries, if not eons, living far too long to see himself become a villain, and Roxas accepted his fate as Sora’s Nobody until the end of Kingdom Hearts 3, while N refuses to accept whatever faults he has until Noah and the others beat some snuffing sense into the poor man and made his see his mistakes.
‘You just choose the wrong path’
Funnily enough the game proves he didn’t. It was just the hard path. As going down that path was the only way Z dies. Specifically by N and M.
No he did , Z died because N realized he chose wrong before and wants to move forward
@@doubledio3061 Oh sure. For himself he made the wrong choice. But for beating Z N made the correct choice. Mio and Noah almost straight up say they only reason they can do it is because they had N and M to learn from. And then N and M sacrificing themselves is the only way they beat Z and not die in the process.
On one hand Z only dies because N/Noah finally chose the other path at the pivotal moment.
On the other hand that literally could not possibly have happened unless N chose wrong first. If that specific Noah had not done this, he would've just gone back into the cycle with Mio and been given the choice again, each in an increasingly more broken mental state than the last. Seeing how far his previous self had fallen and to what unforgiveable lengths he would go to keep Mio forever is one of the small handful of factors that lead new Noah to become who he did.
We interrupt this Xenoblade Chronicles 3 scene to bring you Persona 4!
It really did felt like that, especially when N called Noah his long shadow
*===Noah/N Has Faced His Other Self===*
@@PrestoChango0913
The courage to move forward, and to face life's hardships has been made manifest.
Noah/N obtained the Art _Harmonic Wave_
N is the XC3 version of Jin and he’s amazing.
Maybe but I see him as the protagonist of xenogears
jin is still better
Strangely enough, I feel Jin was mentally healthier.
Tbh.. he’s like the XC3 version of ID from xenogear
Jin is much better , sure on a suffering scale. N suffer way more as he repeat more times. But for someone who love his M so much , i don t understand how can he thinks of treating the other mio s homecoming like some game just to torture noah and mio. Jin don t do that , he may wish to help malos destroy the world to repay malos. But he don t go around torture people for kinks like N. He just kill them.
Ngl during the last part i was totally thinking “UNLOCK N AS A HERO PLEASEEEE” and it didnt happen. Still mad to this day.
The funny/ sad thing is, is that it mostly is luck what changed/gave them their situation in the 1st place.
Noah literally said that he was lucky
We need a Darth Vader vs Anakin game
Reminds me of anakin falling into darkness
I can’t believe I didn’t realize that this is very similar to Darth Vader.😅
@@sashasublette866 to stretch it even further, this is a lot more similar to archer vs shirou
Think N, think!
I was rewatching this and I saw there was a frame when Noah was holding out his hand, You can see a small tear in N's eye
"Hey bro what condiment do you want on your san-"
"MAYO MAYOO MAYOOOOOOO!"
(Jokes aside this was an excellent scene with great voice acting)
"Would you like some.. Nachos with that?"
"Mayo and Nachos go well with each other!".
..well, considering M and N had children - I guess you can call their descendants Mayo and Nachos. Mio's Mayo and Noah's Nachos, so cheesy.
Fun fact, Mio is "Mine" in spanish. Seeing that N is Selfish enough to be calling out her name,
"I know that voice" no shit its your own voice genius
I’m not crying you are!
The emotions hit a high for me when N and Noah starts to play. Shit was intense.
Yeah, if i lost her id turn to darth Vader too
God I wish I could act N. Just the pure emotion in the “Mío… Mío… MIO”
I miss this game😢
11:49 nuevo look y nuevo poder
Just laying through the DLC not only having the context of n. It's characterization, but what he meant by.
The world and sending it to right?
POV: N is inside you
If N messed up, Takahashi dont. Thé tematic IS very deep.
At his very end,N did not use defeating alpha as an excuse, he truly beared the burden alone. When they fuse at the end, I think Noah must get the truth.
Nah, he never got N's memories other than the ones Mio shared with M's power
11:25 spoiler
that's when he got Logos (Malos).
N is evil however everyone understands his choice and would probally do the same
What ost is at 2:30?
Did you know that Ns Sword of the End has the Soul of Logos(Malos) in it.
Bruh what is the name os the OST at: 2:25? I have been looking everywhere
N was very confused why he got dumped lol
Poor guy
More like he knew exactly why but was running on pure copium
Kieran: 1:02
The Protagonist: 1:10
8:50 what song is this?
th-cam.com/video/XN2HFr0nZl0/w-d-xo.html it’s a life sent on but piano solo
Why didn't N turn into his giant form in the rematch fight? Also, shouldn't X and Y interlink when they fought the group?
Because N is different, created through different means and for a different purpose, his strength came from the original lucky 7 and his eternal persistence, his base form was stronger than a base solo interlink, as FR has shown, able to stand up to the very 3 who split the worlds in the firstplace
@@CafeLiquerstreams so, you mean to tell me, that N was so strong, not even the Monado wielder, the Aegis Driver, the Monado Fencer, the Origin itself, and the Fists of the End were able to beat him?
And he got beat by his past self that barely knows how to use the damn sword that cuts anything?
Damn... Noah is overpowered...
@John Gona his reason for being picked by Z was his persistence, he had died in ways that he shouldn't come back from multiple times because of Alpha, Z turned that against Alpha and N was strong enough to stand up against his avatar solo, while Alpha had already pushed Pneuma's strength onto the backfoot
@@johngona5929Tbf N during his final fight was broken and exhausted less motivated since bro has nothing else to fight for
X and Y probably didn’t interlink because it goes against Moebius’s wishes to let the worlds come together, and I think X and Y represent the two halves of Aionios (yeah I know there O/P and D/J but they’re not PURE Moebius like X and Y, they’re still just “actors” in a way)
1:25 What’s the song that plays during the cutscene the battle with n?
Noah and N is the battle theme, not sure the theme in the cutscene, but it is different
Keep rewatching this vid, so thanks for the upload XD
What ost plays at 5:21? Been trying to find it, but no luck.
Thanks!
th-cam.com/video/sbZOvl7QLrk/w-d-xo.html should be this one
It’s called event bgm 16. There you go :)
@@user-hb3xi2pl3p Thank you!
1:00 Is it not “just desserts”?
Nope, it's deserts.
I thought so too! Turns out "desert" is a word separate from the dry sandy "desert" or the sweet snack "dessert", meaning "deserved reward or punishment".
4:34 N is literally me
so it like kos mos with t elos merging
Yeah, the Xeno series has a ton of reference with the past games.
This game is mostly plague with xenogear references
Which is not a bad thing at all
@@BIGREDXXXL "plague/plagued" is a term to signify something bad, thats why that term was created. you wouldn't need to say "Which is not a bad thing at all", if you just said from the start, "This game is mostly filled with xenogear references"
not trying to be an asshole, it just reads funny thats all :P
@@BlissGeometryDash knew someone would bring up me saying plague LOL, no offense taken
@@BIGREDXXXL phew, thanks
I still don't understand how there's essentially 2 Noah's existing at the same time, and they both seem to wield the same sword. After beating the game I'm still very confused about that.
If a human becomes Mobius they're no longer reincarnated obviously, but it looks like when Noah and Mio became N and M, another version of them still remained in the cycle?
It's so badly explained, it makes everything so convoluted, it's the one thing I really didn't like about this game's story.
Noah's sword of the end becomes the Sword of Origin when used as Ouroboros since it's using both Queen's powers, thereby using Origins power. N is given Origins power by Z, and is essentially using the same sword
Once they became Moebius I imagine they were reintroduced by Z. Why? No clue
@@jstar3382 Seems like a pretty big thing for them to simply overlook, none of the characters seem to ask this question either. Which is very surprising coming from this series known for its well thought out plots and worlds.
Maybe it will be explained in expansions somehow along with what the sword of the end is, who Riku is exactly and how he got his hands on the sword. But at least the Riku mystery is something Noah questions himself in the main game, nobody questions why or how there's two Noahs and two Mios existing at the same time.
@@tubguinace Noah and Mio existing now is literally explained at the end. They are the regrets of N and M after they became Moebius, their will was so strong that those regrets separated from them and into their own individual beings, thus continuing the cycle of reincarnation.
Riku doesn't even need to be explained really. All we need to know about him is that he has connections to Melia and that she gave the Sword of Origin to him. It's not a big deal.
@@Nano20710 I think Riku is related to Riki somehow, I mean, their names can't be coincidence.
And yeah I guess the Noah and Mio thing makes sense, it's just not very clearly explained, it is still very strange how nobody ever questions it though. And that still doesn't explain how there's 2 swords, it's one thing for their beings and will to split, but the sword splitting along with them still doesn't make sense.
Is it literally just me or do I hear a little of albedos theme
Everybody raves about N as an antagonist but really he’s just Noah under different circumstances. To me that speaks more to the strength of the protagonists than the antagonists. This game still has the worst villains in the series.
No. It speaks to the strength of N. It’s because he is who he is the Noah develops and has the character he does. It doesn’t speak to the strengths of the protagonists as a whole rather it said all of the antagonists should have been tied to the protagonists like N was to Noah. But they aren’t which is why the antagonists are weak. And considering Noah and Mio’s side quests are the only ones required to be played for plot, you could get rid of the other 4 protagonists along with most of the antagonists and not lose much.
Bruh no way you saying Mumkhar and Zanza are better villains than N.
Not to mention that fucker from Future Connected Gael'Gar? I don't even remember if that was his name.
Hell the only interesting villain in Xenoblade 1 is Dickson, and Melia's sister (if you played Future Connected).
Everyone else was just evil for the sake of being evil.
@@Hi-Im-Gib N is technically the protagonist
@@Hi-Im-Gib Zanza is better tho.
The villains in 2 are good, but a bit overrated. Especially Malos and Amalthus.
...so... coming back after the massive N ball drop...
...I still am bothered by the fact he killed his own child...
For his wife.
Like there's love.
...and then there's borderline creeper
Brother did you miss the part where N very clearly and very blatantly did not intend to kill Ghondor or??
@@lynx4082 did u consider not everyone has as much free time as you and didnt get that far considering the dlc recently released also thanks for the spoiler
@Shuno cause the accident was revealed later in the DLC after they shown gondor being stabbed by N.
They just hid a part of the cutscene
"it was an accident 🥺"
Guys, N was still in the middle of killing literally everyone else there, don't give him a free pass because he "accidentally" killed Ghondor, when Ghondor only died trying to stop N from just killing Na'el.
Forgiven way too easily
By that logic, you shouldn’t forgive everyone in the main party for killing hundreds of people. The whole point of Aionios is that people lack the ability to make a choice, and that’s enough to break them. We’ve seen that with Joran, for example. The main party understands this, and they very much acknowledge that N fucked up big time. But they got another chance to make the right choice despite the circumstances of having to fight in an endless war, so why shouldn’t he?
@@Duplighost_ the party didn’t get a choice because it was forced on them and they were ignorant of the world meanwhile N and Jordan choose to upheld that system because one one of them wanted to be a hero and the other didn’t for his wife and they bragged how better they are and mocked the party. Even N’s love for M was since he give no empathy to the other versions and he even ignored M own will, autonomy and feeling, didn’t even notice the switch and then that comment about how it was okay for him to murder his descendants.
@@MrSupersmash93 Idk if he was forgiven so much as given a chance to make an attempt at redemption. To be fair, while it doesn't excuse his actions, he was also forced into a cycle of death, grief, and pain & subsequently given a seemingly impossible choice - he made the wrong one, & that choice led him down a snowballing path of increasing corruption and evil, but he never should've been put in that position to begin with. You can empathize with him without forgiving him, and you can see why Noah might be willing to offer him another chance - because he too had to go through the experience and pain of (at least seemingly) losing Mio & so could empathize with the level of pain N felt when he chose to become Moebius. The message is that we're all a few choices, interpersonal encounters, and/or losses away from going down a dark path - it doesn't excuse the actions of those who do but serves to remind us to be mindful of our choices, stick to our core values, and to choose to be with good company.
@@torrent5018 but N really doesn't do much to redem himself, he just dies. M was secretly working with the group, Triton became a party member and while Joran dies, one time he saved Lanz and the other time he took out Dirk
@@MrSupersmash93 As Rex himself says in the 2nd game, "forgiving isn't easy but that's just the world we live in. we need to find a way to move forward, within that world."
It definitely helps that N IS Noah, and that we know that Noah would have made the same decision if he didn't have his friends beside him. Also, he didn't do it out of malice, but rather his love for Mio. That's why we can choose to forgive him and N can accept to move forward, and finally redeem himself to destroy Z.
I'm going to chalk this up to it being 2 in the morning, but I found this fight and section to be really underwhelming. They didn't even do anything interesting with the fight. You beat him up once and then you just fight him again right away like nothing happened. I wasen't expecting some big stupid monster transformation, but it felt anti climatic. Especially how preachy and cheesy it gets when N is convinced.
Legit surprised they did not have the second fight be 1v1 likes Tales of the Abyss
Big agree. Chapter 5/early Chapter 6 set my expectation too high
It hits a lot harder if you’ve been depressed before. The writing is absolutely beautiful
weebs try not to compare depression to fictional anime characters in despair for ten seconds challenge impossible
Absolutely braindead take. Art imitates life. The characters are meant to reflect real human nature, if exaggerated. If a player relates to a character, especially a sympathetic one, it’s on purpose. That’s literally the point
From mixed bath scenes to down right promoting polygamy. How repulsive can this game get. At least it not as bad as the fan service in XC2. What a mess, this series needs to end especially with all the occult symbols...
You have copy and pasted this on so many videos that you started leaking into ones that have neither of these lol
#jesuswasgayandblack
@Bread Bank Honestly, it cant even be called polygamy I think. Polygamy is just an open relationship, this is more like a harem which based on real life standards and history has pretty different implications. I am not saying to not be weirded out by it i was just saying lol
Just don’t play it. Easy easy.
@@ReineDeLaSeine14
Just accept that a game can be criticized. Easy easy...
8:50 what song is this?
I've been trying to find out the name of the OST, but haven't found it so far
Remnants of memory v1 for full
Remnants of memory v2 for shorter version
@@youaresomethingstrange9253 Found it! Thanks mate!!