I don't want to call you out like this, but that really felt like bad acting at the beginning. How did the cameras get down there if you didn't go underneath the truck? Anyone with an eyeball would have seen this thing hanging down. I do hope it's just the editing that makes it look this way.
Ok this is the hot topic of the whole video so allow me to explain. Do y’all remember the last F150 with the smoked pinion bearing? It came in making noise and I placed cams and mics on the diff and frame to catch the noise and vibe. Since the complaint was similar with this F150 I did the same thing thinking it was an axle noise. The difference is, with this F150, the driveshaft fell out. There’s no way to stage this, and I will use the rubber boot tearing as evidence to support my claim. I realize the footage is super rare in the wild, and it seems far fetched. Regarding edits, I drove around the block before the shaft fell out trying to determine what was going on with the noise complaint. The carrier bearing broke while I was driving. When I pulled in the lot is when the shaft broke in half.
Rays video showed the driveshaft intact till he turned into the lot,, and the cameras show this,, WITH the cameras still under there and running,, the drive shaft failed and FELL down out of the carrier Bearings mount, thats why they ( the cameras) caught the failure..
@@RainmanRaysRepairs You should probably pin this useful explanation to the top of the thread Ray. If you REALLY want to kill the conspiracy then post the full video of the camera views during the whole test drive.
Djeeeze, customer stated that there comes bad noices, as Ray said, he needs to confirm this and yeah. Lucky him that the shaft broke in a safe place. Nothing strange here. You cant drive and be under the car at the same time can you? ;)
A friend once dropped a drive shaft driving over one of those old metal grate type bridges years ago. The front of the shaft dug into the bridge grating and launched the shaft up through the bed of the truck and grenaded the rear axle. A few years before that, another guy pulled up in his Firebird that he just put a new engine into in the road that went past my parent's garage (which was a well known place for greasy teenage motorheads to hang out, work on cars, and drink beer) and proceeded to pull a hole shot to show off. He run the RPMs up and side stepped the clutch. The car went about 2 feet and BLAM!!! the drive shaft was bouncing on the road. He forgot to tighten the U-joint bolts...
In 1978, I worked in a gas station that had a drive-through car wash. Some guy thought it would be funny to light up the tires as he was driving out of it. A u-joint gave way and bounced all around, hit a joint in the ground, and lifted the car a couple of inches of the ground. It messed up a lot of stuff under the car. He was mad, but we laughed and laughed. 😂😂😂😂
I saw a dude with a big modified truck setting in the turn lane, I was in the straight lane. The light was about to go green for everyone, and the dude in the truck power brakes it....and the drive shaft falls out just as I'm getting going. I pointed and laughed at him as I'm passing by him. Don't screw around and you won't find out. I still think about that from time to time.
I used to work at the local garage where I grew up. One of the town clowns decided to let rip with a burnout. He twisted the tail shaft off at the diff. It dropped onto the ground and kept spinning, because he thought he was doing a good burnout. In the end, we fitted a new tail shaft to his car. Years later, we had a cop who made the idiots who did burnouts clean the rubber off the road. Funny as hell to watch.
When I was young, I did a lot of stupid things like burn outs. I never broke anything, but neutral drops, power braking, etc. really is one of the dunbest things you can do to your car. Aside of wasting rubber and being annoying, and the obvious driveshaft stuff mentioned above, you can also really toast your torque converter if you have an automatic, or your clutch if you have a stick.
My dad spent some time as a flat-rate mechanic in the 70s. He taught me a lot of stuff about working on cars, but his health hasn't been good most of my life, and for the past 20 years or so, I've had to undertake repairs on my own without him feeling confident in providing advice. I love that you've demystified working on many car situations I've always been nervous about attempting. Before watching your videos, I never would have taken off a fender liner, v6 intake plenum (or any plenum that crosses over the bulk of the engine), replaced U-joints, done spark plugs on a FWD v6, replaced fuel injectors, or attempted to work on any portion of the evap system. Thanks to your videos, I've gained tremendous knowledge and confidence, including accurately diagnosing and replacing U-joints today on both ends of my driveshaft.
@MonkeyJedi99 No, he doesn't watch. Some of his health issues are physical, almost entirely a result of years of poor choices. Sadly, while an on-the-job injury (after he moved on from mechanic and went into medical) caused early retirement, it also was a catalyst for mountains of mental health issues which are, frankly, much more of a barrier to him helping than anything else.
The Shmoo is actually a creature originating from the 1934 comic strip series Lil' Abner by Al Capp and first appearing in the August 31, 1948 strip. In the comics, the Shmoo was an ancient and mysterious creature who was considered a "scourge" for humanity because of how "good" it was.
What a catch!! To those who wouldn't have thought to put a camera on what was assumed to be a problem with the rear end - the camera was initially aimed at the gear box where he assumed the trouble was. Made it hard to miss the swinging drive shaft when the footage was checked after the racket ramped up so, I assume, he repositioned the camera before continuing and getting it pulled into the yard to see exactly what was going on and WOW! Awesome video capture!! Even if you weren't a youtuber, that video capture would have definitely made it to youtube anyway because it was just that awesome!
"This should be easy!" Famous last words.....lol As far as the drive shaft goes before I replaced it I would have flipped one of them 180 and re-checked. It could have been a balance issue. It is not enough to make sure the u-joints are in line but some times they have to be properly aligned with each other. An instructor at the GM Training Center mentioned this in class back in the 80s.
"Off the part kind of shelf", LOL. Glad i'm not the only one that wrong says things.😂 I think what your calling the master spline is actually a grease passage to allow grease to flow back to the end of the splines. Plug the purge hole with your finger while your greasing the yoke until grease purges from the other end of the splines.
Heavy tow truck operator here. An out of time driveshaft can cause vibration and destroy a rear end. If I have to pull a driveshaft out of a slip yoke I mark the slip yoke to the shaft and rear u joint. If a carrier bearing self destructs I mark transmission to rear yoke. Due diligence to ensure I don’t cause damage even if it may occur down the road.
I had 3 axle dump snap driveline someone else installed it driver complain about vibration two other guys retimed it twice comes back same issue I found that weld didn’t stick to the tube but held just enough to turn stuff happens but to say Ray screwed up or made it up is totally wrong 😮
This is why I don’t like working on US built crap vehicles. Cars I’ve owned in the last two decades are European ones. The tail shaft in those are on a master spline set up, so you can’t put them out of balance. BMW cars I worked on have alignment marks on the shaft sections that you line up on reassembly.
@@knighthawk86855 in most automatic cars/vans/jeeps people rarely use the park brake....parking brake components are often overlooked by the owner because they don't use the parking brake....just my opinion
Yeah and if you hit a pothole when the drive shaft came off, he would have pole vaulted the truck. That would be good content of course for TH-cam standards but uh... The possibility of hospitalization is quite high, and the damage would total that truck. In that case, you're going to need more the little box they give you on that insurance form to explain how this happened.
The tag that you took off of that rear cover tells you everything you need to know about that rear axle. That's why it's supposed to stay on the axle. It tells you what the gear ratio is
@@jwray9799 if you're talking about the information on the tag it's very clear, it tells you you the ring gear size, the gear ratio of the differential pack and the oil weight that's supposed to go in it. There's nothing to decode.
I think he was in it for the reeeeeeeee s. I was screaming at my screen too. There's no way in hell he didn't know about that tag. There's no way in hell if he didn't know about the tag he wouldn't have looked at it and read it as soon as he found it.
Sometimes Ray does a reeeeeeeee, and sometimes he is trying to work so fast and jabbering on that he forgets things. It looks like he didn’t think about the tag this time. Added: 😁
Remember when idiots would lose tag on intake manifold to identify engine, or paint over valve cover calibration stickers? Carb tags gone also created head aches trying to set specs.
2 things: 1. Doorman really impressing me. Went from an economy parts maker to a quality better than OE part maker. Moog take notes. 2. The way ray wrenches on the flange for preload is an example of experience vs measurement. Should you measure every time? Technically yes. However its his shop and he warranties his work so if he is confident enough to take the risk thats on him and honestly I would trust it.
Yup, after doing so many axles, you get a feel for preload and over time you stop measuring because it feels "right". The torque wrench to measure it is just training your feel. I stopped measuring them after about 6 months of doing them.
Well, lets not get too carried away with Dorman "quality". The rear driveshaft came standard with a 3/8 inch bow in the middle, and yet claimed to be balanced. Ray called it runout, I call it bent and bowed, and that's brand new out of the box. Quality it is not.
@@jhonditch4269, well in the video Ray was bragging on how good Dorman parts are and then he get a bad driveshaft from Dorman. I believe they call it irony.
When you have a skid steer at hand, it becomes useful for all sorts of things. Moving that empty pallet, finally extracting the root of that tree you cut down four years ago, turning your Costo shopping into one trip from the car to your front door...
Had a 1955 Ford Crown Vectoria. The drive shaft universal broke just behind the transmission. The driveshaft pined itself into the pavement after starting up at a red light. The car looked like an Olympic Pole Vaulter.
Just yesterday Ray said that same exact thing about a BMW he was working on. Something about "not driving a car of unknown provenance". Ray should take your (and his own) advice!
It’s a case by case decision, really. If the complaint is makes noise while driving, most of the time you drive it first. Maybe once he has a 4 post, he’ll check beforehand more often. Pain in the ass the rack a truck, then go drive, then rack again.
2000 Ford Escape, the driveshaft exploded at 32k miles. $800. I put it in reverse in a Home Depot parking lot and I thought somebody collided into me, the whole car leaped up. I jumped out and looked around for the culprit, I was alone. Surreal. Maybe something fell from the sky? Then I pulled out, yikes, a rolling box of rocks. 10mph to home then called a tow truck.
I was not in the car when it happened, but my mother had a drive shaft pogo event on a grocery trip in a station wagon model of Pinto. It happened in the parking lot, so it was not at speed, but the shaft lodged into a pothole in the lot and it lifted the back of the car up a foot or two, and the angle was just enough that the family friend who showed up to get it to "limp home mode" had to push the car bumper-to-bumper to get it the tires down. - I was in college at the time, so I never got a lot of details on the failure, but the car was fixed and was used for many years after.
The only time I ever had a driveshaft fall off, my rear u~joint let go 5 miles out of town. Fortunately, it was 4X4 and I just treated it as a front wheel drive to get to the shop to fix it
Never trust the tag. I have had cars ware someone pulled a tag from the scrap yard to replaced a list / damaged tag, thinking all are the same. Quick hint, they are not. There's 3 to 8 options depending on the vehicle.
@@surferdude4487 the Ford engineering & part number, yes. But many are not experienced enough with part numbers to deal with thier crazy cross referencing system.
My Dad had to replace his driveshaft 3x for carrier bearing issues. He could never find just the bearing so the whole assembly was replaced. 2005 F150 xcab longbed.
At my first garage, my boss said " The girl that owns this beetle complained about the brakes." I took it out onto the street for a test drive, and the pedal went to the floor. I was NOT happy.
I bought a 1971 beetle back in the mid-1980's from a young woman. I only paid $125. She was getting rid of it now that she could afford something closer to new. When I got it, the brakes barely worked. It turned out that her boyfriend had replaced the master cylinder, but never bled the brakes. It was amazing how much better the car stopped once I got fluid back in the lines!
Done that 69VW. my 1st car also mom talked me into buying and I did anyway. VW brakes with no booster needed, can you believe that? Dropped valve, engine KAput.
Coming from the snow belt, the lesson of ALWAYS loosening the fill plug on the diff or the trans BEFORE draining either one was a very challenging one for me! Glad to see Ray share that nugget of wisdom!
Diesel Creek using the word Shmoo all the time too. Love it... I have found myself using it as well. When I was changing my read diff fluid on my f250, I got some oil on my arm and said "oh no, I got shmoo on me..." My wife was dying out laughing... lol
I have lost a driveshaft while going down the road luckily it wasn’t a two-piece managed to get it up into the medium on a busy highway. Didn’t have any tools on me at the time walked across 2 a motel across lanes of Highway to a motel asked them if they had any tools And what they had was spartan, but I made it work on a grassy , medium in the middle of a busy highway. Only one person stopped, and it happened to be my neighbor. He was no help so I called AutoZone and had them deliver me a u joint and the middle of a highway of a grassy medium, and that’s where I replaced a rear u joint on a Chevy truck this was back before cell phones used the hotel land line to call and a phone book to call local auto zone
Yep, I remember those days. I once had to flag down a ride to get home to get tools, then call a friend to get back to my car. - Back when you could knock on a stranger's door, ask to use the phone to call a tow, and NOT have to worry about getting dog-bit, shot or arrested for seeking help.
My dad gave me a pneumatic grease gun, I love it! Helps a lot with zerks that won't take grease. I've also used a Dewalt grease gun, that is also amazing! I highly recommend one. But it is nice having the manual ones to feel the grease going in.
I had the rear U joint let go on my 84 F 250 4 X 4 while pulling a trailer load of hogs. I slide the shaft out of the trans and then put it in 4 wheel drive and was able to continue to the plant to deliver the hogs.
Shmoo is older then the Canadian guy, here is the story of Shmoo. The shmoo is a fictional cartoon character created by Al Capp and first appearing in the comic strip Li'l Abner on August 31, 1948. The character was a blob-like shape with toeless legs and no arms. Shmoos were lovable creatures who only wanted to please people. They were edible, all their parts were useful, and they bred so fast that there was always a plentiful supply of new Shmoos.
Drove a Toyota Van my bother bought that started shaking really bad around 70 kmph, when I got back home I crawled under it to take a look. It appeared that someone had previously driven over a large object that somehow bent the driveshaft really bad without damaging anything else. Got a replacement from a junkyard and it drove perfectly fine after that.
I was driving a Ford transit van from the 90's and the center bearing failed and the universal joint was bad too. When it let go (at about 40MPH) the prop hit the road and dug into the asphalt and launched the rear of the van up in the air and smashed the prop off altogether. Had to check my underwear for leaks..it was a butt puckering episode...something I won't forget..lol
Dropped the rear u-joint out of a '78 F100 driving down the interstate early in the morning one day. The sparks from the drive shaft dragging on the pavement were impressive. Replaced the u-joint on the side of the interstate and kept driving. That was probably 17 years ago, truck is still going on that same u-joint.
As a former pole vaulter, the mechanics of the right kind of drive shaft failure always fascinated me. Same physics: convert all that forward moving energy into ups!
As an 11th gen f150 owner, I’ve found this video very informative on maintenance and repairs. I’m going to have the driveshaft inspected on my 06 s-crew when I take her for an oil change and fuel filter replacement to make sure it doesn’t do this
We had that happen to an M880 in Army once. Don't think it was ever fixed. Actually drove better with the front driveshaft missing. Was in late 70's, so basically an early 70's late 60's dodge pickup. So long as you avoided deep mud, still drove well.
@@frankarchuleta5427 I wonder if ray was looking for just runout, rather than expecting the shaft to fall out. would explain why he'd set the cameras up, makes it easier to see.
Be sure to grease the living ish out of the shaft that goes into the slip yoke. It's a special Ford grease. You'll need it, or it'll be back in 4 or 5 years.
@@frankarchuleta5427 Yup, should check the differential vent tube as well, if it’s kinked or otherwise plugged it will cause high pressure and seals will leak.
Yes, I had a 1980 silverado shaft fall out on the street. The weld to the U joint just broke and it unwrapped itself. Typical GM negligence. When I called Chevrolet, the regional manager asked me if I expected it to run forever. The reason for the condition of that truck is salt water, and an owner who refuses to clean it occasionally. After seeing the pinion, I believe he uses this truck to launch a salt water boat.
The customer definitely is in the fix-on-failure camp. Doesn't believe in preventative maintenance. Glad he made it to the shop before a catastrophic failure.
"Someone will say something that another guy finds funny, so he starts saying that..." Exactly. Which is why I've been saying 'Gravity' whenever I drop something in my shop! Love you, Ray.
Schmoo was a creature in the 'Lil Abner comics in the way back times. {Wikipedia: The shmoo (plural: shmoos, also shmoon) is a fictional cartoon creature created by Al Capp (1909-1979); the character first appeared in the comic strip Li'l Abner on August 31, 1948. The character created a fad that lasted into the 1950s, including merchandise, songs, fan clubs, and appearances on magazine covers. The parable of the shmoo has been interpreted in many different ways, both at the time and in later analysis.} Could also be a combo of schmutz and goo.
Ray - I have a small hand pump called a "Tom Thumb" which makes refilling diffs quite easy. It has an aluminium bent tube on the end which hooks into the diff fill plug hole. I also have a 12v pump which I have also found to be very handy.
Not to call BS on one of my fav channels, but if you were suspecting the rear diff and didn't know about the driveshaft... It's very convenient that you had a camera pointed right at the driveshaft... Come on , Ray.... You don't need those cheap tricks to lure us in. You are better than that.
Hey Ray Next time coat the shaft of the driveshaft input in the diff with grease even if the new seal had grease. Two times is better than none. Don’t want to tear the seal in the very beginning when it first starts to turn and gets hot.
transfercase on the jeep i had did that where the front driveshaft attached, looked like it was supposed to have an o ring behind the nut, i just put some sealer in there that works with all oils, and a little thread locker on the threads to seal it there also, worked fine.
I had this problem with a 2014 F 150 , carrier bearing failed and was wobbling, but I caught it before it fell apart, so it was just changing the carrier bearing, at 45 k miles. 2 piece drive shaft , which does carry a lot of weight for such a long heavy drive shaft , U joints were still good.
Never had a driveshaft fall out but did have the carrier bearing go on a 77 C20 Long bed with the manual trans and let me tell you, it vibrated enough to do laundry in the cab.
Ray I don’t know if you caught it but, one of the wheel studs located in the left rear axle was not installed flush to the axle flange. You could clearly see the splines sticking out Well you may not have spotted it but your cybers did. Just wanted to let you know.
Funnest video ever. Between the drive shaft self destruction to the alarm haunting you and differential oil leaking out of a pinion nut 😮, turning a bent wrench into some sort of new age art, the socket ate the pinion seal and in the end, the new rear drive shaft is bent; non-stop laughter.
Ray, you just demonstrated the difference between a mechanic and a parts replacement technician. To be a mechanic, you must have an understanding of how things work, an eye for catching things that don't look right, and enough pride in your craft that you don't ignore a problem. You are accruing a lot of good karma; good on ya, mate!
I don't want to call you out like this, but that really felt like bad acting at the beginning. How did the cameras get down there if you didn't go underneath the truck? Anyone with an eyeball would have seen this thing hanging down. I do hope it's just the editing that makes it look this way.
Ok this is the hot topic of the whole video so allow me to explain. Do y’all remember the last F150 with the smoked pinion bearing? It came in making noise and I placed cams and mics on the diff and frame to catch the noise and vibe. Since the complaint was similar with this F150 I did the same thing thinking it was an axle noise. The difference is, with this F150, the driveshaft fell out. There’s no way to stage this, and I will use the rubber boot tearing as evidence to support my claim. I realize the footage is super rare in the wild, and it seems far fetched. Regarding edits, I drove around the block before the shaft fell out trying to determine what was going on with the noise complaint. The carrier bearing broke while I was driving. When I pulled in the lot is when the shaft broke in half.
Rays video showed the driveshaft intact till he turned into the lot,, and the cameras show this,, WITH the cameras still under there and running,, the drive shaft failed and FELL down out of the carrier Bearings mount, thats why they ( the cameras) caught the failure..
@@RainmanRaysRepairs You should probably pin this useful explanation to the top of the thread Ray. If you REALLY want to kill the conspiracy then post the full video of the camera views during the whole test drive.
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Djeeeze, customer stated that there comes bad noices, as Ray said, he needs to confirm this and yeah. Lucky him that the shaft broke in a safe place. Nothing strange here. You cant drive and be under the car at the same time can you? ;)
"It's an open diff!"
For some reason my first thought was "well yeah, you just opened it!"
A friend once dropped a drive shaft driving over one of those old metal grate type bridges years ago. The front of the shaft dug into the bridge grating and launched the shaft up through the bed of the truck and grenaded the rear axle. A few years before that, another guy pulled up in his Firebird that he just put a new engine into in the road that went past my parent's garage (which was a well known place for greasy teenage motorheads to hang out, work on cars, and drink beer) and proceeded to pull a hole shot to show off. He run the RPMs up and side stepped the clutch. The car went about 2 feet and BLAM!!! the drive shaft was bouncing on the road. He forgot to tighten the U-joint bolts...
In 1978, I worked in a gas station that had a drive-through car wash.
Some guy thought it would be funny to light up the tires as he was driving out of it. A u-joint gave way and bounced all around, hit a joint in the ground, and lifted the car a couple of inches of the ground. It messed up a lot of stuff under the car.
He was mad, but we laughed and laughed.
😂😂😂😂
He paid the stupid tax.😂
I saw a dude with a big modified truck setting in the turn lane, I was in the straight lane. The light was about to go green for everyone, and the dude in the truck power brakes it....and the drive shaft falls out just as I'm getting going. I pointed and laughed at him as I'm passing by him. Don't screw around and you won't find out. I still think about that from time to time.
This is probably where the rumour started that if your exhaust falls partly off that it will catapult you in the air.
I used to work at the local garage where I grew up. One of the town clowns decided to let rip with a burnout. He twisted the tail shaft off at the diff. It dropped onto the ground and kept spinning, because he thought he was doing a good burnout. In the end, we fitted a new tail shaft to his car. Years later, we had a cop who made the idiots who did burnouts clean the rubber off the road. Funny as hell to watch.
When I was young, I did a lot of stupid things like burn outs. I never broke anything, but neutral drops, power braking, etc. really is one of the dunbest things you can do to your car. Aside of wasting rubber and being annoying, and the obvious driveshaft stuff mentioned above, you can also really toast your torque converter if you have an automatic, or your clutch if you have a stick.
My dad spent some time as a flat-rate mechanic in the 70s. He taught me a lot of stuff about working on cars, but his health hasn't been good most of my life, and for the past 20 years or so, I've had to undertake repairs on my own without him feeling confident in providing advice.
I love that you've demystified working on many car situations I've always been nervous about attempting. Before watching your videos, I never would have taken off a fender liner, v6 intake plenum (or any plenum that crosses over the bulk of the engine), replaced U-joints, done spark plugs on a FWD v6, replaced fuel injectors, or attempted to work on any portion of the evap system. Thanks to your videos, I've gained tremendous knowledge and confidence, including accurately diagnosing and replacing U-joints today on both ends of my driveshaft.
Sorry to hear about your dad's health.
Do you both watch the channel?
@MonkeyJedi99
No, he doesn't watch. Some of his health issues are physical, almost entirely a result of years of poor choices. Sadly, while an on-the-job injury (after he moved on from mechanic and went into medical) caused early retirement, it also was a catalyst for mountains of mental health issues which are, frankly, much more of a barrier to him helping than anything else.
@@eternalphoenix64 Dang, that's a rough road.
All I can offer is my true wishes for you both to have as many better days as you can.
The Shmoo is actually a creature originating from the 1934 comic strip series Lil' Abner by Al Capp and first appearing in the August 31, 1948 strip. In the comics, the Shmoo was an ancient and mysterious creature who was considered a "scourge" for humanity because of how "good" it was.
Thanks for looking this factoid up, it was in the back of my mind.
schmo is yiddish for goo. Ray uses a lot of old yiddish grandma expressions for some reason.
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Oye vey!
@@EarlSinclair97 hahhhaahahahhaha
When I worked in the chip industry (electronic chips) we'd have shmoo plots which is also an industry standard term.
What a catch!! To those who wouldn't have thought to put a camera on what was assumed to be a problem with the rear end - the camera was initially aimed at the gear box where he assumed the trouble was. Made it hard to miss the swinging drive shaft when the footage was checked after the racket ramped up so, I assume, he repositioned the camera before continuing and getting it pulled into the yard to see exactly what was going on and WOW! Awesome video capture!! Even if you weren't a youtuber, that video capture would have definitely made it to youtube anyway because it was just that awesome!
"This should be easy!" Famous last words.....lol As far as the drive shaft goes before I replaced it I would have flipped one of them 180 and re-checked. It could have been a balance issue. It is not enough to make sure the u-joints are in line but some times they have to be properly aligned with each other. An instructor at the GM Training Center mentioned this in class back in the 80s.
Right when GM was switching everything over to front wheel drive.
Shop has come a long way since the first day 👍
"Off the part kind of shelf", LOL. Glad i'm not the only one that wrong says things.😂 I think what your calling the master spline is actually a grease passage to allow grease to flow back to the end of the splines. Plug the purge hole with your finger while your greasing the yoke until grease purges from the other end of the splines.
Heavy tow truck operator here. An out of time driveshaft can cause vibration and destroy a rear end. If I have to pull a driveshaft out of a slip yoke I mark the slip yoke to the shaft and rear u joint. If a carrier bearing self destructs I mark transmission to rear yoke. Due diligence to ensure I don’t cause damage even if it may occur down the road.
I had 3 axle dump snap driveline someone else installed it driver complain about vibration two other guys retimed it twice comes back same issue I found that weld didn’t stick to the tube but held just enough to turn stuff happens but to say Ray screwed up or made it up is totally wrong 😮
This is why I don’t like working on US built crap vehicles. Cars I’ve owned in the last two decades are European ones. The tail shaft in those are on a master spline set up, so you can’t put them out of balance. BMW cars I worked on have alignment marks on the shaft sections that you line up on reassembly.
You're putting a lot of faith in a customer who drove their truck until the drive shaft fell out to monitor for leaking lol
I agree, and the rear emergency brake shoes.
Especially since even Ray didn't notice a leak til he took it apart!
@@knighthawk86855 in most automatic cars/vans/jeeps people rarely use the park brake....parking brake components are often overlooked by the owner because they don't use the parking brake....just my opinion
Yeah and if you hit a pothole when the drive shaft came off, he would have pole vaulted the truck. That would be good content of course for TH-cam standards but uh... The possibility of hospitalization is quite high, and the damage would total that truck. In that case, you're going to need more the little box they give you on that insurance form to explain how this happened.
@@joshuabrown3525 now I have a gore image in my mind of a man with a shaft coming out of his belly
Your dedication to repairing should be the training for all mechanics. Thank you for having integrity!!
The tag that you took off of that rear cover tells you everything you need to know about that rear axle. That's why it's supposed to stay on the axle. It tells you what the gear ratio is
Try and decode the Build Info.. its perpriority, and FORD is the WORST about that info.
@@jwray9799 proprietary?
@@kjcorder I quite like "perpriority" as a new word -- presumably meaning "done if you think it's important enough"!
@@jwray9799 if you're talking about the information on the tag it's very clear, it tells you you the ring gear size, the gear ratio of the differential pack and the oil weight that's supposed to go in it. There's nothing to decode.
You are totally right i worked at the streling plant in Michigan 38 years in ring and pinon departments. @@rivermcratt3683
Ray, the tag would have told you everything you need to know about the rear end . Retired Ford parts manger---36 years in the business
I think he was in it for the reeeeeeeee s.
I was screaming at my screen too. There's no way in hell he didn't know about that tag. There's no way in hell if he didn't know about the tag he wouldn't have looked at it and read it as soon as he found it.
Sometimes Ray does a reeeeeeeee, and sometimes he is trying to work so fast and jabbering on that he forgets things.
It looks like he didn’t think about the tag this time.
Added: 😁
Remember when idiots would lose tag on intake manifold to identify engine, or paint over valve cover calibration stickers? Carb tags gone also created head aches trying to set specs.
6L34-4K145-FB still on the driveshaft too...
Someone was in there before, that information isn't guaranteed to be accurate.
Good day to you Ray, thanks for following up with the full video. You have a great right hand guy in Dave, he is a great replacement for PETER!!!
Not only was the drive shaft being held together by the rubber boot, but it failed just as the sirens come into audio, like the event was "jobtown".
2 things: 1. Doorman really impressing me. Went from an economy parts maker to a quality better than OE part maker. Moog take notes. 2. The way ray wrenches on the flange for preload is an example of experience vs measurement. Should you measure every time? Technically yes. However its his shop and he warranties his work so if he is confident enough to take the risk thats on him and honestly I would trust it.
Yup, after doing so many axles, you get a feel for preload and over time you stop measuring because it feels "right". The torque wrench to measure it is just training your feel. I stopped measuring them after about 6 months of doing them.
Eh - that driveshaft was bent like a banana.
Well, lets not get too carried away with Dorman "quality". The rear driveshaft came standard with a 3/8 inch bow in the middle, and yet claimed to be balanced. Ray called it runout, I call it bent and bowed, and that's brand new out of the box. Quality it is not.
Dorman
I mean I guess you didn't get to the end of the video yet before posting this because that driveshaft was bent like crazy
So much for high quality parts from Dorman. And someone at the factory saw the driveshaft spinning when they "balanced" it.
sometimes the only parts available
@@jhonditch4269, well in the video Ray was bragging on how good Dorman parts are and then he get a bad driveshaft from Dorman. I believe they call it irony.
@@RMartin631 it wasn't completely bad it would get you home destroying as you went just like trying to balance a oval wheel
So the skid steer is overkill for moving a 4,000 lb truck, but perfect for 10 pounds of lumber from St. Louis.
or trailer tyres lol
When you have a skid steer at hand, it becomes useful for all sorts of things.
Moving that empty pallet, finally extracting the root of that tree you cut down four years ago, turning your Costo shopping into one trip from the car to your front door...
5000lbs truck....
@@darrenairey5938 you sure? The Ozempic craze is everywhere
Had a 1955 Ford Crown Vectoria. The drive shaft universal broke just behind the transmission. The driveshaft pined itself into the pavement after starting up at a red light. The car looked like an Olympic Pole Vaulter.
And this is why you inspect cars before you drive them people. SAFETY.
You only yolo once
Just yesterday Ray said that same exact thing about a BMW he was working on. Something about "not driving a car of unknown provenance". Ray should take your (and his own) advice!
It’s a case by case decision, really. If the complaint is makes noise while driving, most of the time you drive it first. Maybe once he has a 4 post, he’ll check beforehand more often. Pain in the ass the rack a truck, then go drive, then rack again.
Screw that, road it Down highway.
As Peg from zip ties and bias Plies would say, "You don't need to worry about safety"
It's a Ford, always beware of parts falling off
As Eric O would say it Dorman who would have guessed
Also nice to see Dave as the mentor. All good
I've been watching AVE for years. He's hilarious.
Yep hes hilarious and very knowledgeable! A great Canadian Eh!!😂
In aviation we call sealant pookey
2000 Ford Escape, the driveshaft exploded at 32k miles. $800. I put it in reverse in a Home Depot parking lot and I thought somebody collided into me, the whole car leaped up. I jumped out and looked around for the culprit, I was alone. Surreal. Maybe something fell from the sky? Then I pulled out, yikes, a rolling box of rocks. 10mph to home then called a tow truck.
I was not in the car when it happened, but my mother had a drive shaft pogo event on a grocery trip in a station wagon model of Pinto.
It happened in the parking lot, so it was not at speed, but the shaft lodged into a pothole in the lot and it lifted the back of the car up a foot or two, and the angle was just enough that the family friend who showed up to get it to "limp home mode" had to push the car bumper-to-bumper to get it the tires down.
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I was in college at the time, so I never got a lot of details on the failure, but the car was fixed and was used for many years after.
The only time I ever had a driveshaft fall off, my rear u~joint let go 5 miles out of town. Fortunately, it was 4X4 and I just treated it as a front wheel drive to get to the shop to fix it
It’s one of those fancy self dismantling driveshafts, all the rage these days.😂
dodge got on the trend before everyone appreciated it...
Sort of like a Space X rocket with an unplanned disassembly mid flight. Aka... things that go boom.
Your the man I enjoy your videos. I love all of the comments great info. and funny. You do such a great job......
Without opening the diff. The tag " Finger cutter" would tell you all you need to know without having to go any further. In my opinion.
Unless of course you're changing the fluid.
good luck decoding a ford tag
Please correct me if I'm wrong. I would expect that the part number for the drive shaft is stamped on the drive shaft.
Never trust the tag. I have had cars ware someone pulled a tag from the scrap yard to replaced a list / damaged tag, thinking all are the same. Quick hint, they are not. There's 3 to 8 options depending on the vehicle.
@@surferdude4487 the Ford engineering & part number, yes. But many are not experienced enough with part numbers to deal with thier crazy cross referencing system.
My Dad had to replace his driveshaft 3x for carrier bearing issues. He could never find just the bearing so the whole assembly was replaced. 2005 F150 xcab longbed.
At my first garage, my boss said " The girl that owns this beetle complained about the brakes."
I took it out onto the street for a test drive, and the pedal went to the floor.
I was NOT happy.
That was on you for not checking the pedal feel before test driving.
I bought a 1971 beetle back in the mid-1980's from a young woman. I only paid $125.
She was getting rid of it now that she could afford something closer to new.
When I got it, the brakes barely worked.
It turned out that her boyfriend had replaced the master cylinder, but never bled the brakes.
It was amazing how much better the car stopped once I got fluid back in the lines!
@@johnt.848 "Complaining about the brakes." and a "NO BRAKES" complaint are two vastly different complaints.
Done that 69VW. my 1st car also mom talked me into buying and I did anyway. VW brakes with no booster needed, can you believe that? Dropped valve, engine KAput.
@@NoBody-le6mn so what stopped you from testing the brake pedal pressure instead of just jumping in for a joy ride to waste time?
Coming from the snow belt, the lesson of ALWAYS loosening the fill plug on the diff or the trans BEFORE draining either one was a very challenging one for me! Glad to see Ray share that nugget of wisdom!
Diesel Creek using the word Shmoo all the time too. Love it... I have found myself using it as well. When I was changing my read diff fluid on my f250, I got some oil on my arm and said "oh no, I got shmoo on me..." My wife was dying out laughing... lol
I have lost a driveshaft while going down the road luckily it wasn’t a two-piece managed to get it up into the medium on a busy highway. Didn’t have any tools on me at the time walked across 2 a motel across lanes of Highway to a motel asked them if they had any tools And what they had was spartan, but I made it work on a grassy , medium in the middle of a busy highway. Only one person stopped, and it happened to be my neighbor. He was no help so I called AutoZone and had them deliver me a u joint and the middle of a highway of a grassy medium, and that’s where I replaced a rear u joint on a Chevy truck this was back before cell phones used the hotel land line to call and a phone book to call local auto zone
Yep, I remember those days.
I once had to flag down a ride to get home to get tools, then call a friend to get back to my car.
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Back when you could knock on a stranger's door, ask to use the phone to call a tow, and NOT have to worry about getting dog-bit, shot or arrested for seeking help.
That Diff has been played with before, the Silastic and clean oil gave that away.
Surely it’s “trucknage” rather than carnage!
Ok thats not bad.
My dad gave me a pneumatic grease gun, I love it! Helps a lot with zerks that won't take grease. I've also used a Dewalt grease gun, that is also amazing! I highly recommend one. But it is nice having the manual ones to feel the grease going in.
It's always good when customers have nice clean rear ends lol😂
Hahhhhahahahahahhaa especially if you're a proctologist! 😊
@@patrickchavez3848 No finger-wagging, please -- well, not after the event, at any rate!
More test drive footage... Caught Faking a Video? Driveshaft Falling Out While Driving th-cam.com/video/20gV1Dkg8-8/w-d-xo.html
Got in right at the upload lol, poor rubber boot kept her moving about .02 seconds though.
"You can't threaten people in another country". ROTFL! America does that all the time.
Certified Rainman eyechrometer. Only found in the Rainman Ray store (not sponsored….😅)
I had the rear U joint let go on my 84 F 250 4 X 4 while pulling a trailer load of hogs. I slide the shaft out of the trans and then put it in 4 wheel drive and was able to continue to the plant to deliver the hogs.
I’ve watched you too long when I knew you were going to make that washer spin around and around after first rotation with the air gun 😎
Was glad to hear the AvE shout out, have been watching him for years. Ray, AvE and CEE are my daily/weekly fix.
Shmoo is older then the Canadian guy, here is the story of Shmoo. The shmoo is a fictional cartoon character created by Al Capp and first appearing in the comic strip Li'l Abner on August 31, 1948. The character was a blob-like shape with toeless legs and no arms. Shmoos were lovable creatures who only wanted to please people. They were edible, all their parts were useful, and they bred so fast that there was always a plentiful supply of new Shmoos.
Drove a Toyota Van my bother bought that started shaking really bad around 70 kmph, when I got back home I crawled under it to take a look. It appeared that someone had previously driven over a large object that somehow bent the driveshaft really bad without damaging anything else. Got a replacement from a junkyard and it drove perfectly fine after that.
Nice shoutout to us Canucks. We got AvE, truckers and Terrible Trudeau all in one.
I bet most mechs. would not worry about that little bit of run out on the rear shaft. Good job Ray. Wish your shop was close to me.
That tag has all the info you need to know about the rear axle, no need to look at the gear itself.
I think this pickup was originally housed in the Rust/Salt Belt in northern states!
Yes it has Pennsylvania plates by that standard it looks good
Ahhhh... What happened to the pizza...?! We wanted to watch y'all eat...! Hahaha, thanks for sharing...! Keep up your awesomeness...!!!
My 2005 Toyota tundra got new unjoints and center barings in it at 196,000 miles
I was driving a Ford transit van from the 90's and the center bearing failed and the universal joint was bad too. When it let go (at about 40MPH) the prop hit the road and dug into the asphalt and launched the rear of the van up in the air and smashed the prop off altogether. Had to check my underwear for leaks..it was a butt puckering episode...something I won't forget..lol
Dropped the rear u-joint out of a '78 F100 driving down the interstate early in the morning one day. The sparks from the drive shaft dragging on the pavement were impressive. Replaced the u-joint on the side of the interstate and kept driving. That was probably 17 years ago, truck is still going on that same u-joint.
As a former pole vaulter, the mechanics of the right kind of drive shaft failure always fascinated me. Same physics: convert all that forward moving energy into ups!
" And that bushing is kind of not easy to get, it's not really an [ off the part kinda shelf! ] " 😆😁😆😂😂🤣🤣
@25:45... not an "off the part kinda shelf"! Words, kinda like gravity...
Once again this grasshopper is in awe of sensei with the alignment of that bracket. Thanks!
Pretty sure I heard a certain 3.6 Pentastar start up around 8:45. Can't wait to see video of that install!!
Came here to say the same thing! It's alive!
Every 3.6 that goes by has the clicking. What a POS motor.
As an 11th gen f150 owner, I’ve found this video very informative on maintenance and repairs. I’m going to have the driveshaft inspected on my 06 s-crew when I take her for an oil change and fuel filter replacement to make sure it doesn’t do this
I don't want to be that guy but... the seal on the transmission has a weep hole in the rubber boot. It's to be facing downward.
We had that happen to an M880 in Army once. Don't think it was ever fixed. Actually drove better with the front driveshaft missing. Was in late 70's, so basically an early 70's late 60's dodge pickup. So long as you avoided deep mud, still drove well.
perfectly films it.
oh no i didn't actually expect it to break. yeah sure.
Bro I had three Gopros under there to capture the noise
Two cameras aimed right at it?
Someone got (drive) shafted!
When you know what you’re doing, you know it’s gonna be the rear end, u-joints, or the carrier bearing. No rocket science, vehicle science. 😂
Back in the day we used to call that schmutz , excellent job Ray !
Luckily you had the camera setup in the exact spot it would fail.
I found that odd too.
Yep...
@@Lensman864looks like a recreation after the fact.
@@frankarchuleta5427 I wonder if ray was looking for just runout, rather than expecting the shaft to fall out. would explain why he'd set the cameras up, makes it easier to see.
Seems pretty obvious that it started making the noise and then he put the camera under there to see what was going on. 🤷🏻♂️
Be sure to grease the living ish out of the shaft that goes into the slip yoke. It's a special Ford grease. You'll need it, or it'll be back in 4 or 5 years.
0:01 me when the viagra wears off:
Lmfao 😂
shmoo goes back a long way further than you think.1909.
In the UK we might call that ColdSnot s opposed to hotmelt glue which is 'HotSnot'
Read the darn tag that was on the differential cover, it includes the pertinent differential info. Geez!
More than a finger getter. Duh
@@frankarchuleta5427 Yup, should check the differential vent tube as well, if it’s kinked or otherwise plugged it will cause high pressure and seals will leak.
Yes, I had a 1980 silverado shaft fall out on the street. The weld to the U joint just broke and it unwrapped itself. Typical GM negligence. When I called Chevrolet, the regional manager asked me if I expected it to run forever. The reason for the condition of that truck is salt water, and an owner who refuses to clean it occasionally. After seeing the pinion, I believe he uses this truck to launch a salt water boat.
many years ago i had a mk iii ford cortina with the same prop design and yes mine broke at the support brg nearly jacked the car up in the air!
The customer definitely is in the fix-on-failure camp. Doesn't believe in preventative maintenance. Glad he made it to the shop before a catastrophic failure.
"Someone will say something that another guy finds funny, so he starts saying that..." Exactly. Which is why I've been saying 'Gravity' whenever I drop something in my shop! Love you, Ray.
Schmoo was a creature in the 'Lil Abner comics in the way back times. {Wikipedia: The shmoo (plural: shmoos, also shmoon) is a fictional cartoon creature created by Al Capp (1909-1979); the character first appeared in the comic strip Li'l Abner on August 31, 1948. The character created a fad that lasted into the 1950s, including merchandise, songs, fan clubs, and appearances on magazine covers. The parable of the shmoo has been interpreted in many different ways, both at the time and in later analysis.} Could also be a combo of schmutz and goo.
Ray - I have a small hand pump called a "Tom Thumb" which makes refilling diffs quite easy. It has an aluminium bent tube on the end which hooks into the diff fill plug hole. I also have a 12v pump which I have also found to be very handy.
first thing to notice is... Packers fans in Florida Go Pack Go!!!
Michigander Cheeseheads to boot.
Yes and my neighbor love WI lived there over a year an go back often.
@@davegeorge7094
We do have beautiful lakes and forests in Wisconsin.
Happened to me in my baby truck. Luckily I was near my house. The ranger limped into the driveway at 2mph
@0:38 Ask your doctor, if Viagra is right for you.
😂😂😂🎉🎉🎉
Looks like a donkey ****. Please don't ask me how I know "wild kingdom "
I’m shocked that no brake clean was used cleaning the rear diff housing and the mid shift bearing still looks a little bit off
Not to call BS on one of my fav channels, but if you were suspecting the rear diff and didn't know about the driveshaft... It's very convenient that you had a camera pointed right at the driveshaft... Come on , Ray.... You don't need those cheap tricks to lure us in. You are better than that.
Ray is the Steve Irwin of brake jobs:
See that? That’s dangerous…
Let’s poke it with a stick! (Mini pry bar)
😂😂😂
Where's the boot for the slip joint?
I was yelling at the video. the boot, the boot!
0:00 Wow. That is what being in the right place at the right time is all about.
Hey Ray Next time coat the shaft of the driveshaft input in the diff with grease even if the new seal had grease. Two times is better than none. Don’t want to tear the seal in the very beginning when it first starts to turn and gets hot.
That truck is a prime example of regular routine maintenance, well done owner, keeps guys like Ray and Dave busy.
Maaaaannnn, Dave seems like such a good dude to work with.
transfercase on the jeep i had did that where the front driveshaft attached, looked like it was supposed to have an o ring behind the nut, i just put some sealer in there that works with all oils, and a little thread locker on the threads to seal it there also, worked fine.
I had this problem with a 2014 F 150 , carrier bearing failed and was wobbling, but I caught it before it fell apart, so it was just changing the carrier bearing, at 45 k miles.
2 piece drive shaft , which does carry a lot of weight for such a long heavy drive shaft , U joints were still good.
Never had a driveshaft fall out but did have the carrier bearing go on a 77 C20 Long bed with the manual trans and let me tell you, it vibrated enough to do laundry in the cab.
Ray I don’t know if you caught it but, one of the wheel studs located in the left rear axle was not installed flush to the axle flange. You could clearly see the splines sticking out Well you may not have spotted it but your cybers did. Just wanted to let you know.
2:52 "Hello Dave" loving the content Ray,
Truck was a long way from home. Customer was fortunate to be near your shop for this repair, because that was a very nice video.
Funnest video ever. Between the drive shaft self destruction to the alarm haunting you and differential oil leaking out of a pinion nut 😮, turning a bent wrench into some sort of new age art, the socket ate the pinion seal and in the end, the new rear drive shaft is bent; non-stop laughter.
I had a "76" Blazer with a bent yoke on the transfer case blew a few "U" joints & drive shafts.Repaired them in the street & drove home 😅
Ray, you just demonstrated the difference between a mechanic and a parts replacement technician. To be a mechanic, you must have an understanding of how things work, an eye for catching things that don't look right, and enough pride in your craft that you don't ignore a problem. You are accruing a lot of good karma; good on ya, mate!
Ray that's why I use oem drive shafts not a doorman one too they come like all the time too now also....not a fan of doorman parts too....
The info that you're looking for is on the tag that you removed from the outside.
I see the numbers of the rear differential off to the left when the light hits it
We installed my buddy's drive shaft and installed a commercial zip tie under the cab . 🎉