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We took the front shock off of the monster chopper and added two softer air shocks. Ethan also rebuilt the rear hub to handle the torque of the motorcycle and geared the bike higher for more top speed!
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Should make another one with 4 tires but both sets on front and back be 6 inches apart with adjustable arms so when you go to turn or lean it pushes one tire and arm higher than the other allowing full contact at all times
at the back wheel, the axe shouldnt be weilded, weilding its not recommended on structural resistances such as the axe on the back wheel because it can break or bend in time. Use a whole piece of metal and just turning it or milling it. dont weild stuff together when it comes to structural resistances. Also for reducing the the "snake effect" add weights (cosmetics can be) and balance the overall bike, the dampers must be at a certain angle for vertical efficiency ...overall its a really good project i wanna see how its gonna be longterm.
That's the coolest bike I have ever seen .... Really cool !!
To probably stop the speed wobbles with the front tire you probably need to build a racket pinion like a car to stabilize it
I worked as a Tool and Die Maker for over 40 years so I have a few tips for you.
---To machine hardened steel use the carbide from a concrete drill, set the center of the top surface of the carbide about .030 of a inch below center and slope it down at around 5 degrees, machine at a very slow speed and use NO coolant or lubricant, it will cut like a hot knife thru butter. Concrete drills can drill holes through milling cutter shanks, which are usually around 58 to 60 Rc.
--To straighten a shaft, heat with a torch, localized on the outer curvature of the shaft, till it turns blue, then quickly quench with wet rags. This method will pull a shaft up to .060, but if the bend is more, run a bead with a welder, again on the outer curvature and again quickly quench with wet rags, this method will pull a shaft up to and exceeding .125 of a inch, the excess weld can be removed without the shaft bending back.
--When welding hardened steel, always preheat the steel or the welds will crack or fail.
--If you ever want to weld cast iron, always preheat and weld with a Inconel or nickel welding rods, then let it slowly cool off, never quench in water or oil cause the weld will crack or fail.
--To drill a long shaft or flange on the milling machine, clamp a large V-block on it's side, clamp the shaft to the V, side the top of the mill out, yes they do move and even swivel, so you can hang longer pieces over the edge of the mill. You should be able to get a 90 degree head to drill horizontally, if you want to do it that way.
--Never, ever weld on a lathe, the beads could warp, arcs could form between the gears in the gear box and even fry the electronics of it. If you still have your old lathe around, use it instead. If you have no choice ground the part directly, a magnet works well, grounding through a live center will ruin the bearings in the center.
I hope that this helps you in the future.
This is,the reason I like the hand worker man im one myself and everyone is down to help or show you new things in the field fkin love that
Legit knowledge drop here! Thanks for sharing. ❤
Why the high nickel rods for cast iron? Does it help with the different crystallization patterns, or something else?
I've used carbide drill bits to drill through hardened 440c stainless, works amazing.
@@davidshipside4211 carbide drills are of a different type of carbide, I have found that ONLY 883 carbide made by GE cuts hardened steel the best or like I said concrete drills. The carbide should be silver soldered onto a mild steel shank to give it a bit of a cushion. Do Not mount the carbide into a holder because a holder doesn't hold it firm enough.
remember when someone said "you sure it'll have enough power for those wheels?"
I mean.... it bent the shaft 180° idk dude you tell me
technically the power that twisted the shaft never made it to the wheel
Yeah, I didn’t get that either. You can always multiply the torque off a sport bike motor for whatever your application is. As long as you don’t expect the motorcycle drivetrain to handle the torque loads intended for a 4-Lo truck gear train, horsepower is horsepower.
Oh so it bent the shaft before he asked?
@@skytho5799 nono, after, this was a long while ago when the project started
What's funny is with the right sprocket a 110 pit bike engine could do it haha
My favorite statement from the ISP...."oh look, that tire has a bike on it". 😂😂
I feel like in the rural parts of Idaho those cops are thinking, that's unique but not the weirdest thing I've seen out here.
It is extremely well-built, which would be unusual for them to see.
I feel a bit like they could tell Ethan isn't just some hick throwing shit together that's gonna kill him and somehow a bus full of nuns at the same time so they were a bit more chill than they may have already been
It was so hard not to laugh in that moment. I still had no idea if we were in trouble or not. 😂
@@kingnull2697 lol yeah. most stuff in idaho is barely held together by hopes and dreams.
The Cops are sayin' "statues do not apply to this; only the basic law of right and wrong. And we approve of what's going on here."
Seeing men geeking out and interacting like this in the wild gives me so much joy. We've all got a big child inside.
Amen to that.🙌🙌🙌
It’s what brings innovation
Substitute the rider with male black. 😂
Finally got a decent lathe, "I can trust that it's going to stay accurate"... proceeds to use it as a welding fixture...
I'd probably probably end up doing exactly the same if I had sumthing that nice to when you wont to do sumthing right you youse the best tools you have, in the long term thay cud convert there old one into a rotary welder
The heat should stay in the part or reach the fingers of the chuck, not a big deal.
Well make sure you don't get no weld slag on the Waze
Or you will lose some precision
That's a good way to destroy a lathe
I also have a small lathe and a small mill I love working in my garages 12 of them in fact
Take care and be safe and God bless
@@kirkslayden834 Good point and he should probably put something down to protect it, but he his also TIG welding and didn't appear to be any slag.
@@danielrichards121spelling is hard
That Chopper looks like it belongs in Warhammer 40K with an Ork riding it across a battlefield. I fucking LOVE it!
dude... i feel like this is some shit the necrons would make
@@itsnicorobiigaming334 Eh, Orks and the Imperium are pretty much the only ones who still use wheels, though. Necrons just strap an anti-grav lower body on and call it a day.
Or a Mad Max movie.
Red will make it faster
@@seb4sti4n666 LOL, sounds like something an Ork from the Kult of Speed would say...
The cops were really funny here. And that's exactly what a creation like this should do.
Love the officers reaction. Awesome video.
there are plenty of italian travel channels where people say never again in US, cops are there to terrify and slam you in prison in no time; but if such a vehicle were to be stopped by the police here in italy, really your life would risk to be ruined forever
I thought the first thing the officer would say is: "Man, you can't drive something like THAT in the open! Is it even registrated?" Glad it didn't happen :D
The Chopper looks like something Mad Max Batman would ride.
was looking for this
Totally! It's def a post-apoc mobile
batpod
I thought he was trying to re-create Batman's chopper from the Dark Knight.
You should switch the back tire with the front tire so you can level that one out too😂
Ooooh that's a good idea
Exact thought I had. Same tire and rim. Easy swap.
I thought the same, doing burnouts is actually about the best way to get those big tires as round as possible.
I was thinking the same thing
Thinking the same thing, couple burn outs she be sweet
Hey man, I doubt anyone from the channel will see this, but I ran my own powder coating business for a few years before moving towards fabrication/racing more. If you want any tips or data to improve your technique and results, shoot me a message. I'd be happy to share what I learned the hard way. Even with that grabby dual voltage gun you can get decent results.
Start with a better ground, move your gun back a bit to make a better cloud formation, watch your mil thickness, and all cure schedules start at PMT (part material temp) not when the powder flows out. You can flow out powder to a liquid long before its beginning to cure just by flashing the heat.
Regardless, best of luck.
Great pro tips!
Have some karma for sharing this!
Thanks man!
@@GrindHardPlumbingCo of course! I love and respect what you guys do over there.
Preheating the part does wonders for helping powder stick. (source: family owns powdercoat shop and does industrial parts)
Those tires were intended to go on a fixed axis of travel, with the camber angle creating one contact patch without introducing greater drag. Usually the weight of the vehicle would also restrict its top speed.
Once you freed the axis of the tire and increased the rotational speed, that deformation at speed is exactly your death wobble, since you're not only dealing with the centrifugal forces stretching the tire outward, but the change in direction is visible changing the shape of the deformation of the contact patch from edge to edge (you can see it in the silhouette on the horizon). Where it cups inward you have 2 sides fighting for the same traction with slightly different angular momentum.
On a smaller scale, I've had this happen with sawtooth dolly tires on a mini bike... I was waiting on new tires to ship to me and only needed them for a few days before they arrived, but as soon as the speed got past a certain limit with those flat-bottom tires, the wobbles were absolutely terrifying.
As soon as I went back to the racing "slicks" I ordered that had a more tapered curve to a centrally rounded contact-patch (and higher pressure rating), no more death wobble.
Its a combination of the composition and intended use of the tire coupled with the change in load-applied geometry that's making them work against you. Overpressure might improve the shape, but then you have to consider the temperature change and the lower speed composition, so maybe try overpressure _with_ a Nitrogen fill to improve performance, that way it doesn't continue expanding once they're heated up.
Elementary! Cheers!
Interesting thoughts. 👍
Another effect of the tires changing shape will quite literally be a sort of compound change in steering geometry. While the increase in diameter of the tire should move the projected road contact point of the camber a little bit further forward of the contact patch, theoretically increasing the trail which ought to improve geometric steering stability, the contact patch at the same time gets shorter and narrower.....and I have a gut feeling the friction might be helpful in reducing the steering oscillation you are experiencing a bit as you approach it. The added steering damper also helps, no question. The oscillation you are experiencing is known to bikers as "tank slapper" and it's basically the steering system running out of steering dampening, by part due to trail, by parts by other means. The trick is that trail in itself only gives you a more or less fixed amount of self righting effect which at speed also acts as resistance to wobbling, but the forces causing wobble increase with speed. At a certain speed, a given system of wheel inertial moment and imbalance and steering geometry will simply run out of margin between trail effect and wobble forces, and start the oscillation. Usually, bike manufacturers have this under control, but tuned or modded bikes with higher top speed or more aggressive steering (like for racing) often can have issues. Common remedies count steering dampeners and stiffer tires😉 Personally, I've also encountered this with sidecar bikes, where heavy steering due to the stiff connection to the sidecar is often tried mitigated through reduced trail, requiring steering dampeners to be added.
I may have to correct myself a little bit about the stuff about trail and wobble forces. Self righting forces caused by trail grow linearly with speed (not accounting for geometry changes from tire diameter change OR suspension movement), but forces due to rotation of the wheel grow exponentially with speed. Trail forces just start at a certain level due to vehicle weight at standstill, rotational forces start at zero at standstill.
I learned about centrifugal forces as a teen out far away from home and got a flat on my motorcycle's rear tire. As long as I was over 30 mph, it rode like normally. Drop below that and he wobbled worse and worse the slower I got. Got it home. But yeah, centripetal force kept the tire "inflated."
I owned a high tech engineering product design and development company for 41 years. I know what it takes to make things - from CAD design to making products and prototypes, it was so much FUN. I'm very impressed with your talent!
I'm now retired at 77 years old and miss my 12,000 square foot shop! Watching you work is such a joy!!!
But, I'm a bit perplexed! I didn't see any heighth guages, calipers, guage blocks or guage pins, literally almost no QC or inspection tools! Which attests to your amazing talents!
Honestly, when i saw the title of this video, I thought the State Troopers were going to give you grief, but to my surprise, they were super-chill and got a massive kick out of your work. Very cool! The new drive chain and bolts really make the new drive shaft assembly - and the bike as a whole - really pop.
Imagine driving down a road and seeing a giant tire rolling down the road at you!
yeah imagine driving a uninsured timebomb public menace vehicle and the cops not giving a sh.... Wet Dream Come True.
@@TheInfidel_SlavaUA that's rural places for ya. Sadly times are changing, can't get away with half the stuff i could 10-15 years ago
The Idaho state police are working to improve their public opinion, many many grievances that have accumulated from covid and bad officers have given the office a tough future.
Ultra chill, they didn't even offhandedly mention a lack of plates on the thing.
I've powder-coated for many years and I recommend buying an old metal cabinet, insulating it, and turning it into a large oven with a temperature heat switch. This will allow you to coat much larger parts like control arms, swing arms, frames, etc. Then while coating hang the parts from a rack so you can just throw them right in the oven without messing up the powder. Also wrinkle black is by far the best color and the most durable.
I built my oven out of insulated tin. It's 2 layer of 2 pieces of tin with a 2 inch layer of spray foam in the middle. I have some old house oven elements in it for heat. One in the top and one in the bottom. Amazon ink bird temp controllers.
The tiny was free offcuts. The controllers were $20. The rest I had.
It would be great if they could powder coat the whole bike in house
Wrinkle black is not even close to the most durable choice for your coating
We did the same thing for curing large prepreg carbon fiber parts. It took a few attempts to get the temperature even and a lot of probes and datalogging but it works very well now that we have it tuned in.
I wouldnt have even masked up for those tiny mounts lol
I have never seen state trooper that far in the middle of nowhere! Let alone two…
Some states are almost entirely nothing but the middle of nowhere from border to border. All the state troopers don't gather in the 1 or 2 cities.
I'm a native idahoan and I got to say they're pretty spread around here. You'll see them just about everywhere
They travel in pairs anymore. They've gotten spooked a lot lately.
I have but I guess that’s just my luck🤣
It's Idaho....
something about your videography and sound that makes your stuff so captivating but still therapeutic to watch.... always love the innovation and pure bad assery on display with all your builds!
This bike is some of the best content and engineering on TH-cam... love the bike man!
i can just watch Ethan build for hours. such a vibe. not having forced jokes also helps. The edits are amazing in the video. love the bike. thank you.
yeah my dad was a mechanic but I never got into it myself other than a general interest but this channel is just an awesome mood and creativity without being overbearing try-hards.
@gawkthimm6030 yeah very relatable. No egos or anything
That chopper is one of the best builds on the web! The creativity and homegrown parts are just amazing to witness, we have some really great artist/engineers here in North Idaho. Don't stop thinking outside the box guys!
I love seeing videos of law enforcement having friendly, chill interactions with the public like this. They're just normal people too at the end of the day.
Gotta love Idaho State Troopers! They are really one of the better state police/highway patrol agencies. As a former LEO, back in the 1990s, I have seen the slow transformation of many law enforcement agencies from a "Protect & Serve/Community Policing" type of agencies into "Paramilitary/Us v. Them" agencies. In my opinion, Idaho is still firmly rooted in the reality that they are a part of the communities in which they serve and have not been somehow elevated to preside over those people in their domain.
Your right johncashwell police over step with harsh laws & handling of situations,
To hell with road safe vehicles huh ? Where is my right to be on the road with safe vehicles ? Oh . You only care about you .
I will impound this when I see it .
Have a lovely day .
@@KC-nd7nt It's a rural dirt road donut boy. This is a discretionary call. Stay in your lane and keep the power tripping to your own precinct.
@@KC-nd7nt spoken like a true city rat who has never seen a dirt road in their life
They make wish to be a state trooper. Love it for real.
😢
Trooper- nothing better to do?
Edwin- don't you?
Trooper- actually thanks for reminding me, license and registration please 😂😂😂
Bro knows not to give the cops attitude
@@melchizedek077FTP 😉
@@melchizedek077 don’t piss off weight staff, and don’t piss off cops.
When will add spit to your food the other will enforce things to a T’.
This is probably a moment where Will not being somewhere involved may have turned out better being that way. He seems awfully well known around those parts lol
I do miss the dude a bit. I need to catch up on what he's doing but I nearly forgot this was gonna be late 😂
Why didn't the cop ask for his license? Is it legal to be using an unregistered vehicle on that road? I'm not familiar with American law.
That cop is gonna look at all of Ethan's creations n be like...."shit..I just met a legend".....❤️🇺🇲
Imagine running into Bob Chandler, the OG Bigfoot monster truck guy!
Nothing better to do? 😂😂😂
Bro,
This IS the better thing to do!❤❤
Love how the state trooper is like ''There's a bike on these wheels'' instead of it being huge wheels on a bike hahaha
You really opened my eyes as to how good I had things growing up. My family has had a repair shop for 89 years. Having the lathes, milking machine, multiple drill presses, welders, torches, etc., etc., all at your finger tips always made doing projects much easier.
It wasn’t until you talked about how nice it was having a better lathe that it dawned on me just how ‘spoiled’ I was. I now understand why all my ‘friends’ came to me to have anything/everything done. Thank you for opening my eyes to several things by being able to see this from other peoples eyes!
I thoroughly enjoy your videos, thanks for doing them.
It's not comforting...This beast is an engineering masterpiece and an engineering nightmare all wrapped up in a truly one of a kind creation.
Specifically, it is so unique the cops can only take pictures and have crazy stories to tell their buddies.
Grind Hard Plumbing...this is what we do! ;)
"The best thing about failure, is that it humbles you into doing better the next time." -My old man used to always say
Ethan is an engeneering mastermind.
I totally agree this by experiences 😂😂😂 humble = don’t wanna repeat that teribble mistake again🤣
@@LeeMooEezand that's how you learn I got my first machine shop in 91 but now I've moved up a little bit and now I have 12 garages and a complete machine shop with all the tooling I have been blessed beyond what I could ever imagine and having to have worked for Robinson helicopter was definitely a learning experience and the many many jobs that I have had and now I'm finally retired
Take care be safe and God bless
@kirkslayden834 you out in the texas area? Pretty sure I know of a Robinson copter
You old man is very wise, my respects.
In love with this quote. Your old man is a wise man bro.
When making your new axle and trying to heat it up to straighten it out. If you weld on the one side you are trying to pull up and hit it with a blow gun right after you weld, it will “shock” the material and pull way more. Fun little tip we call “Heating and cooling” that we use for elbows all the time since they pull inward.
That was a wholesome moment with the police.
YEAH IT WAS - I just goes to show that NOT ALL COPS ARE BAD.
If I had seen this thing on the road during my days as a deputy I would been absolutely awestruck.
Even when they are "wholesome", they are still ruining your day because they wield so much power over you, if they are in a bad mood, can just find something to hassle you about, and many times even when they are acting friendly, they are just feeling out the situation but are actively trying to get you with something or otherwise being sarcastic with their "Friendliness" and so you cannot let your guard down and de-stress until they actually leave.
@@ilearncode7365 They have every right to stop him though. It's an unregistered vehicle with no plate. They could have "ruined your day" but they chose not to, and that's worth complimenting.
@@ilearncode7365 With that attitude no wonder you have issues with the cops
Ethan, watching you for the past couple of years does my heart good! I’m a retired electronics tech, I’ve been a mechanic all my life and a licensed Aircraft mechanic also. I worked in a facility with machinists for the last 20 years before I retired. I’m 67 and your abilities are incredible, I was also an aviation metal smith in the Navy on helicopters. Watching you work is a joy and you are incredible on what you do. Us older guys don’t see many young people who have the drive and passion for skill! I hope you continue to improve and impress. You sure impress this old fart!
Worn-out bearings can cause lateral axle movements, which may initiate a wobble, as well as, large tread can contribute to stability issues, due to the rubber changing shape and spreading outward at high speeds, causing a wobbling effect.
Yes but odds are those new bearings are not the issue.Most likely it tge ig u balanced out of round tires
Try two tones. One at 1hz difference than the other. You get a 1 second change from 0 to max amplitude. Same thing happens with tires. You noticed it happens in a turn or lean. In a turn one tire spins ever so slightly less than the other. At some point you get a harmonic induced into the frame structure between the wheels and since rubber acts like a spring, well.... More tire pressure could solve the problem along with fine tuning wheel balance. You really feel the bike flex when you cruise around a corner and get a slick spot transferred to both wheels front and back.
just another think you should check. Sport Bike are known to have high speed "wobble" going over a bump in the road. Even on perfectly balanced wheels, The steering dampener on them helps prevent that. You might try "beefing" the steering dampener up. You have a lot of spinning/wobbling mass, you probably need something stronger then the tiny stock one.
YOU are one of, if not THEE BEST metal fabricator I've EVER WATCHED! THAT'S ONE FANTASTIC MOTORCYCLE mister!!!! THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH for sharing you work with us lowly enthusiasts! I'll NEVER FORGET your work! God Bless and keep the rubber side down!!!
I sent some money in hopes that you would notice this comment. I absolutely love that you TIG Weld almost everything. It's the strongest and beautiful when done right. TIG Welding is like a form of therapy for me and I just get lost in the process. it's an artform.
Another thing I noticed at 48:55 - Your wobble you experience. The extra weight on the left side might be contributing to that. Just because something might seem balanced doesn't mean it is, especially when things are oversized. I'd consider (If it were me, that is) figuring out the difference in weight on both sides, and then adding a counterbalance to the right side.
I agree.
Thanks man! It truly is
Wow, this is my first video on this channel. That's pretty cool, it is like the bat cycle from the Batman movies. I used to watch chopper build-off and OCC. Glad this came up on my feed.
Me too and this dude have 500 k technique or more and he know very well how to use . like batman :D
I've subbed! TH-cam brought this up kinda random, normally I watch QM & Astronomy vids but I was hooked the whole time!! I love the comment's you folks had me in tears!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
If they make another instalment of Mad Max, they should commission the bike, as long as it doesn't get slated for a wreck (they could scan the bike and wreck it digitally if needed.)
Where's the video about the police pulling you over. Instead you talk about powder coating. Waste of my time.
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Definition….Man and machine? THIS! I’m a 30 year mechanical design engineer and love how you push beyond what is known. Absolutely amazing!
Just a note from my Navy days. All turbines have what we called a resonance frequency at a certain RPM. We would always add steam flow as we approached resonance frequency so that we did not linger in a range that caused excessive vibration. Just saying. Absolutely an amazing machine, I definitely have "Chopper Envy", Dude! ..............thumbs up......subscribe
As a 40 year vet in the powder coating industry I would suggest investing in a walk in gas fired oven and a small spray booth. Gas fired will give you a more uniform cure and color consistency between batches. You have the space and this will allow you to coat bigger parts like fenders, tanks and wheels with better quality than you’ll get with the Eastman outfit which is essentially a hobby kit. Also there is a ton of used powder coating dolly equipment with powder gun, controller and hopper online. I would suggest a mini hopper for small batches. Finally you can get small samples of powder cheap and sometimes free from dealers.
If you pre heat the parts the powder partially melts on the surface and you have less chance of removing it when you transfer to the oven for cure.
It is also an easy way to ruin potential for an even coating with a machine that has minimal control, if temp is high enough to reach liquefaction. It is a balance. Heat can also be used to discharge a part in the event you made a mistake. 100-120 is an ideal temperature to help adhesion.
I JUST noticed that the tires on the monster bike are Mickey Thompsons. 😂😂😂 Brilliant.
Thiccy Thompsons
When the zombie apocalypse hits this is the type of neighbor you want to have.
Randomly got this in a feed. Absolutely love it! Getting Idaho state troops in it also loving the build was amazing. Keep up the good work guys! That wobble at 53:35 scared the crap out of me.
So, wild seeing those huge tires lean that much. Awesome build!
Ethan, just a thought, why not turn the old workshop into a paint and powdercoating oven, the space is there and you don't have to have over spray in the design shop, like I said, just a thought. Keep up the good work Grindhard. 🇬🇧
If there was ever an extreme movie motorcycle, it’s this one. And the best character to operate it is DC/DCEU’s “Lobo”.
Best overbuilt bike ever. Why is it not an icon…yet? 😉
Put the steering damper to the upright so it's pre slop in cables and bell crank.
If you want it even more rigid, remove the steering bell crank. You only have to change the length of the cable end to the cable body. If you mount the cable body to the steering tube arm (handle bars) and solid mount the cable ends, you eliminate the bell crank and it's slop.
The porpoising is because the stroke of your shocks is too short for the bike, it's cavitating at the bottom and pushing the front end into the ground as fast as it can. You'd be better served using some long stroke shocks off of something like a trophy truck.
Or it’s the unbalanced 46” tires 😂
@@DrivingCrooner2000probably that
@@kurdisshop243that the problem the tire weighs as much as the entire frame so when the tire is out of balance there's no weight to keep it on the ground the tires just bounce
@@venumus1lower air pressure possibly?
@@venumus1 This right here. Definitely needs balanced no matter what. Gotta also consider it's not just up and down that the imbalanced tire is pulling. It's also imparting a forward and back force, which results in the side to side wobble.
54:09 - the phone speedo flipping to vertical mode checks out for how confused the gyro is with what the Monster Chopper is doing to Ethan.
tbf my phone does this too - deactivate auto rotate before setting off or you end up looking at a map sideways!
About the death wobble at the end of the video. During that ride, it looks like your handlebars are flexing relative to the wheel. Or more specifically, the steering stem/other stuff between the handlebars and the front swingarm are twisting. Stiffening that up might make the steering a bit more responsive and prevent the wobble.
Also, even though the tires support the bike with low psi. Adding some pressure to the front will help the tire keep shape instead of flexing at the contact patch on the road. Which will help the steering.
45:33 just.... looks like a dream, like a movie, i cant put words to it
I was just about to type this
I'd definitely consider seeing if you can get those tyres balanced out, I know your hand carving is likely to make it hard but anything will help, it really does seem to be the mass of the tyres extending that bounce if not outright causing it, that final shot really does show it though, hope the higher pressure helps too!
You can't balance a 46 inch tire lol
@@BobV1la You can get them closer though. Any bit will help.
Balance beads
Sorry, should have been more clear. Trying to balance is a good idea, and I think you can do that AND use balance beads, but I'm not sure. I just know the folks with larger tires on things like dump trucks and bigger RVs in my area speak highly of their ability to provide balancing on tires that heavy, I assume similar might apply here
@@BobV1laYou can static balance or dynamic balance those tires, but getting them round first and also adding some balance beads after a dynamic balance will help balance all of the rotating mass of the axle.
Why do you think you can't balance a 46 inch tire?
@@goosenotmaverick1156 commercial tires are another ballgame, usually bias ply and not radial, and don't have the sidewall height that something like the tires they put on. They're also MADE to be good on the road. These big boys have way more variance in weight over the entire tire since they're not built with balancing in mind cause they're so God damn big and heavy
man thats one big bearing :O
Thats what geena said .
@@Grimm-Gaming not to me :D
Sized about right for the tire...I have much larger in stock.
Yoo one of my favorite TH-camrs commented on a video of one of my favorite TH-camrs 🗣️
CAE Engineer here - just some thoughts. That "death wobble" looks sinusoidal in nature - which seems to be corresponding to the top-down shape of the bike. I would bet that a modal analysis of the frame will yeild a certain frequency in which that wobble is induced. I also have a suspicion that if you simply add a reinforcement on the left side from the front wheel "cage" to the rear "cage" it will stiffen the overall structure and limit that motion. It appears to be a force load/unload cycle due to the natural shape of the frame, likely induced by the size and load of the tires.. I can guarantee there would be a *lot* of enginering students who would love to model this for you as a project for college. I'd reach out to a couple university engineering departments and see if they are interested. Edit to add: also, its only doing that wobble on pavement, because of the increased friction between the tires and the pavement not allowing sideways slip... they bind, inducing the wave in the frame which in turn causes it to flex, etc... in engineering terms its called a underdamped or unstable system. You want a Critically damped system which means you add enough stiffness or other damping to immediately stop the oscillations.
A motor cycle that no one can just lift away to steal! Awesome! Nice build!!!!
Amazing how far this project has come. Thinking that shavimg off another 20 pounds off each tire and getting those giant tires balanced would really smooth out the ride at speed. Really looking forward to the finished product, painted and powder coated. Already awesome! Gonna be awesomer! As Always, May God Bless you and yours! 😇
There are no gods.
@@randomname4726how so?
Ethan is becoming quite the machining master and is a pleasure to watch you craft the things you do.
This is so similar to the "Batpod" used in the The Dark Knight. Super cool idea! I imagine those tires are super comfortable to ride on asphalt with. Makes me want another bike that much more!
I was a Harley-Davidson technician for 20 years. I suggest checking your neck bearings. if they are too loose the forks will want to go all over the higher you get in speed. Good Luck!
God bless you Sir!! Honestly I can understand people's love of Harley-Davidson's! They aren't a fast as a Ducati, or a Ninja and don't handle as well as a Triumph at regular speeds, but they are the most enjoyable bike to ride, without fail! Power is always there when you need it, maybe not as quick as I would like, but it's there & they are so damn comfortable to ride! Plus they sound sooooo fecking good!!
AND YES HES 100% RIGHT PLUS TAPERED NECK BARING LIKE ON THE SUPER MOTO
Power planning the tire with it in gear is how I know I'm on the right channel, keep up the good work fellers!
I know nothing about bikes but i got to say It looks like if the Tron bike was in a apocalypse Movie and its awesome. 😁👍
It reminds me of Batman movie. ( actor C. Bale )
This Bike build will go down in history!!!
I still say big diamond tread airplane tires would be perfect for cornering, because of their rounded profile.
That would actually be sick.
Love the first person view on the vid, it gives some nice touch on how it feels to run this beatiful creation. The camerawork was prime for the whole vid. I wonder if you cause a fad of people building moster bikes of their own. witch would be awesome
*Casually stands in room filled with burnt rubber smoke inhaling it all*
Hey, it looks like the oscillation you get is mainly flex in the front swing arm. Judging by how much the chain slacks on throttle, the chassi might be flexing into a radius on throttle, that then induces the wobble in the front that i guess is the part most prone to flex/oscillation.
Some of the best camera work I've ever seen . Bravo Steven .
I was impressed too
The speed wobble is a steering geometry issue. Tire balance can contribute a bit. For high speed stability add more rake to the "steer tube", which will also take away from low speed maneuverability. So it's a trade off. Check the angle of the steer tube on a few bikes and compare it to yours.
Those state troopers were awesome, just seeing their eyes light up like little kids in a toy store was amazing
The reflection of the trees in the sprocket got me! Your episodes are increasingly enjoyable,keep up the wonderful creative projects!
I need a playlist off all these songs with these videos. The music taste is unmatched.
I agree anyone know the songs?
The track in the beginning of the video is "Beautiful Catasrophe (Instrumental Version) Not sure about the rest.
The last song is Bring It Back by Splize
@@Renoh74 thank you greatly
Ya'll Need To Do Something With That Old Firetruck
Is that truck from Naples NY by any chance?
@@ejokine1 wish i knew
Echoing plenty of the journeymen here, I've been designing and fabricating for 50+ years, things that move, are self propelled, and static sculpture. This is one of the first fab vids that I thought was worth my time. Epic! I'll tell you about the beer can mortars we used to shoot when we are swapping stories around the campfire...
Ethan, you mentioned the monster bike was a beast to turn, years ago when I first started riding bikes a mate gave me this tip, you may already know it but if not it might help if you are going around a bend for example TRY pushing or pulling the opposite handlebar only a few MILLIMETRES it is counter intuitive to what you feel is right but it will get the bike into the curve or bend very quickly DO NOT push or pull excessively or you will end closer to the road more than you ever wanted
It is how the bike racing guys get right over corner to corner very quickly and very low if needed practice carefully until muscle memory can be trusted to do it automatically.
Tony from Western Australia 🇦🇺
It’s called countersteering Tony 👍🏴
@@v12dot I didn't know the name just the principal of it, thank you
Dude is a menace on that thing
First time I've watched a video from you guys this early usually I'm too busy working. Glad to see the new shops working great and much more room for projects lol
Y'all notice how chill those Troopers were? They're just people! If you're chill, they're chill! Just saying!
I would definitely get a larger electric oven from marketplace or something just used to do larger parts for powder coating. It's easy, just time consuming and what a mess! I've been wanting to see you guys do it for a while now though.
Ethan just proved you can actually be so awesome that the rules don't apply to you. 😂 Keep up the good work boys!
We did a lot of shop projects in Vocational Agriculture class in high school back in mid 60’s, I think we built 3 stock trailers. Our teacher always told us “Build something, use it awhile, figure out what you don’t like about it, sell it, then build one the way you like it”.
The front tire wobble is such that the videographer has to slow down as soon as Ethan passes, making passing easier. In addition to Ethan, you must wear the full RR riding outfit. Possibly it would be better to install vibration dampers directly on the front tire and stiffen the front fork.
Someone else commented exactly right. Longer springs to be installed in the front (~20 inches). The tire pattern must also be changed. You can use a chainsaw (or hand circularsaw) and cut the studs in half.
That trooper was in such a good mood. We all know exactly what they were doing.
Which is....?
yes, they are F king...
I think a triple Öhlins setup would be perfect for this build. With the hydraulic reservoirs.
first i think hed have to splurge on a chain that is not absolute bottom of the barrel chinese amazon gutter trash lol
Taking a break from plumbing. Enjoying the fruits of your labor.
HELL YEAH!
As an Aussie you yanks have people this clever and talented but absolutel dropkicks in politics VOTE BETTER the world needs it 56:51
Thank God for you.😅
The world needs to fix it own problems and stop counting on us to be there saving grace you cant help people who cant help them selfs lmao our issues steam from our spending on being the global peace keeping while Europe spends on social welfare programs they can only afford bc they dont need a real military 😂
Good game on the State patrol 🎉🎉🎉
Traction is basically determined by the surface area on the pavement and the downward force. You can have big slicks on a very light vehicle and you will have very little traction. Of course the rubber softness also figures in too. 😊
Right be honest! One of you is trying to date a cop at this point..
I don't want to gush,well a little, but this possible impossibleness is the reason we subscribed to the Edwin and Ethan project,I love how you used each others strengths to build this channel and love watching those skills evolve and grow💛🍻
If it helps you guys about the wobbling; it may improve drastically if you connect the front to rear with a solid strong flat thick metal frame similar to cars rather than the pipe frames you seem to have now, and shocks may be placed above the front tire for handle bar & below the seat.
It seems the big tires normally used for cars have to remain stable along their stretch with no weak movements up and down or side to side (hard to make for two wheels rather than four in cars). I hope this helps, and best of luck,
Steve
“You guys got nothing better to do?”, jokes the state trooper out in the middle of nowhere.
To switch gears from Building/Mechanical subject to Editing - Your Filmographer/Editor did a great job with this. I know nothing about bikes/lathes or Mechanics, yet I was engaged for this whole video...... and learned a few things along the way.
That thing looks so out there I am not surprised the troopers were impressed, and not only impressed but pleased to see it. Looking forward to when it is street legal and you can show it off in more public environments.
This person is truly talented! To create a motorcycle with such massive truck-sized tires by himself is nothing short of brilliant, both in creativity and skill. Even the police stopped to admire his work and take photos. His craftsmanship is definitely something to be admired. However, whether he's riding it himself or others are, safety is always the top priority. If this bike proves to be safe, it would truly be a perfect creation. I applaud his effort and ingenuity!"
That chopper is amazing totally out of the world, loved every minute of that project from watching it all in the U.K.
I've never seen this channel before, but this is some of the good in the world that we have been missing. thanks for the content.
Welcome aboard!
It's been a few years since I saw one of your videos, I'm blown away by your production quality now. Very impressive.
You guys are the best fabricators I’ve ever known of. On a level of genius. Thx
*This chopper is going to be in a museum one day! This is freakin' awesome!! What an imagination you have!*
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This guy is a hoot! Some day, when he's older with grandchildren, they will brag that they have the coolest Grandpa ever.
That wheel hop!.. That is a LOT of sidewall, and at 5 lbs of air pressure, I'm not surprised. I think you are on the right track adding more tire pressure as well a balancing.