I just got my ball drilled there at Waterford lanes. He helped me so much and fitted me perfect. The ball didn’t feel heavy like all my other ones have. Thank You for all your videos and the pointers you gave me while I was there. Great guy very knowledgeable.
This is the best no-hype video. Clearly that purple shot shape clearly provides a better a better entry angle than the other offerings. I just bought one, but haven’t had occasion to even throw it yet. I can’t wait. We’ve all seen it a million times on video and there is a reason it is the go-to urethane of all time.
Usbc, with their contact patch study, as well as brunswick, have proven urethane does not get softer, ever. Not with oil, and not with use, barring someone throwing their ball in an oven before putting it on the lanes. A dirty 73 hardness ball, measures 69-70 due to contamination of the durometer probe. This was confirmed because the contact patches did not match what would be expected for the lower hardness. Especially considering how much the contact patch grows on a 69d ball when it is dirty. Brunswick showed that a clean ball, after use, measured with a clean durometer probe measured the same as before use. They did the testing on new urethane as well as 30 year old urethane.
Right. So it gets dirty and softer which increases footprint. They can say whatever they want to say but we know the impact of softness. It’s clear in this video alone. Which is why this new rule is important
@@Tenpindoctors except they have thousands of shots on specto measuring the reaction with a robot throwing the balls. The results are relative. Urethane is designed to work with dirt and oil. Dirt acts like sand on ice and the oil works like a viscous clutch. It's like ball manufacturers have engineers and chemists on staff designing these things.
Nu Blue is a very unique ball. I'm quite shocked with how well it can do literally everything. A couple caveats though, you have to hit it hard at the bottom if you drill it strong, and you have to give it the gas. The faster you can roll it, the more alive this ball becomes, even when lofting the gutters. And it lane shines fairly quickly, but that can be a good thing for this ball.
Man every purple comparison I see it just blows my mind how much this ball is ahead of those who tries to do what he does. Love mine, and I have another one waiting to be drilled when I need to :)
Has nothing to do with a specific ball.. every other sport has made some pretty significant rule changes in the last few years. Bowling is no different. Playing by our grandpas rules from the 50’s can’t last forever
@@Brian_B300 It's not even really changing rules. It's mostly about enforcing the rules we have. We just learned more about urethane getting softer and breaking the rules.
@@Brian_B300You're right; it has nothing to do with a specific ball. It has to do with a certain PBA bowlers complaining about decades old technology that has gone into many a bowling ball, and not being able to adjust their game (mental and physical) to combat against it. No one had such problems during the transition from rubber to polyester, nor polyester to urethane. They had a lot of right to complain about the transition from urethane to reactive resin, and there were a lot of things said in the early 1990s, but bowlers adjusted to it and combated against it. But now that we go back to decades old technology, certain bowlers can't handle it, complain about it, and now rule changes were made because they can't handle the technology. Those "grandpas with those rules from the 50s" would be laughing at us right now.
I am a long time user of the Brunswick True motion. It was always a consistent ball for me, it was recently damaged by the lanes at the house that I bowl at. I saw the specs on the ZEN U and they were pretty close to what the True motion was out of the box. What do you think of it as a replacement ball? The only reason I didn't go for the blue hammer is because I have never had any real consistency with Hammer equipment.
I have considered getting the Blue Hammer NU and drill it the same layout as my Purple Hammer and my Black Widow Pink Urethane Hammer to compare it. Maybe when I graduate, I will try it to see if its for me.
The nu blue is good for about six frames then it has lost its surface. It lane shines way to quick making me have to move way to much during a set. Set the surface to 1000 (verified with surface scanner), bowl three games and it scans at stable (4600). At stable it dont hook well. I was extremely excited for that ball but it dont hold its surface long enoigh to be super effective.
Question: I know you say that urethane is made to pick up early. Then what was the intent of a ball like the Fever pitch that Jesper won with? It was a 2000 grit pearl. Just trying to understand if ALL urethane is meant to pick up early or just the 500 grit ones. Thanks in advance for your input!
I would look up how surface affects the ball. Usually the lower the grit early it will read. Rev it up bowling made a really good video breaking it down recently. He didn't throw urethane but the same concept will apply across all balls.
Purple is insane and a God Ball. That's why Storm had to kill it. But, NU, despite being weaker, has some of the pedigree of the Purple, so it should work pretty well. IQ-U/78? I actually like the idea of harder urethane because it allows a more traditional down and in 80's style play. Harder urethane may actually result in even MORE urethane being thrown because now a lot of players that struggled with the too strong softer urethane's can get outside with the harder urethane's and just roll in direct all day. The PBA may have just opened Pandora's urethane box.
I think the big difference between the actual urethane balls is the hardness. As much as some organizations may say it doesn't matter, ultimately it'll be the difference maker. If the hardness didn't matter, why not just re-release the purple hammer with greater hardness so it could be used on tour? We'll see when rubber meets the road this tour season
@@kingshabazz1310 That was to get around the 1 or 2 year time window to throw bowling balls if I remember correctly. That rule was a roundabout way to get at hardness, but it didn't actually raise the lowest level for hardness.
It has every bit to do with the softness. If it wasn’t, how come only urethane balls with a hardness of 78 or higher are still allowed. And why did they ban the soaker balls decades ago?
That's because the purple read/slowed down earlier than the blue. The purple doesn't want to go right as easily as the blue because it's slowing down. That's part of the reason people threw urethane on tough conditions in the first place, so the ball wouldn't shoot through the pattern so easily
@@MikeDCWeld lol ok. You’re wrong but ok. Thats the difference in ball motion. They are literally on top of each other the first 30ft then they separate because one’s slowing down and making its move towards the pocket and the other is still skidding right
Cheese grate the cover it “might” start to look similar… but let’s be real folks NOTHING will ever be like the Purple slammer!! The good ol days are OVER
none of you are putting core factor in the results...its not just the cover, the reason the red flares is because of the core..same as uc3 , my uc3 will flare and im able to play multiple angles on a variety of condition...and the purple hammer will always out hook the red and nu blu because of the core and thats just the fact..
The ball's motion on the way down the lane to do what it does to the pins is just a means to an end. The end is what justifies the means. Good ball motion is meaningless without strikes, or at least good pin action and carry.
The motion on the front is what determines the motion in the back. Seeing it strike means nothing. You either want to learn or you want to argue. I will remove the pins from now on so yall aren’t obsessed with results, it’s about getting better and understanding ball motion. Not strikes during practice. Good grief
@@Tenpindoctors as long as you can determine the proper moves to get the right motion at the back, the motion at the front is mostly irrelevant. The results are what matter, not how you get to them.
@@MikeDCWeld If you think you can stubbornly ignore what the ball does in ANY part of the lane and be successful at higher levels, you're mistaken. If you can't tell when a ball is hooking at your toes and burning up in the fronts, then figuring out how to get that ball to the pocket won't help you much... because even if you do manage to find a line that "gets there", you'll still be leaving corner pins all day. Everything that happens after you let the ball go provides information, and cherry picking what to pay attention to is a recipe for failure.
Since this only affects the tour any chance of doing this comparison on a tour pattern that typically PBA pros would throw said balls? Better chance to see the real world applications for pros since the rest of the world doesn't have to worry about what the pba rules say.
Jr.. referencing the usbc test and comparing 73 to 78 hardness is not what that test was for. It was to determine how the ball softened with oil and time. You just give more fuel to the urethane haters🤦♂️
Why are you throwing it on a house shot? Who cares what these balls do on THS....were curious how it affects the players the ball was designed for, and that's specifically the PBA
I just got my ball drilled there at Waterford lanes. He helped me so much and fitted me perfect. The ball didn’t feel heavy like all my other ones have. Thank You for all your videos and the pointers you gave me while I was there. Great guy very knowledgeable.
This is the most insightful, helpful, and informative comparison by far between these bowling balls
This is the best no-hype video. Clearly that purple shot shape clearly provides a better a better entry angle than the other offerings. I just bought one, but haven’t had occasion to even throw it yet. I can’t wait. We’ve all seen it a million times on video and there is a reason it is the go-to urethane of all time.
Love the overlay comparisons!
Good info JR, thanks again for the work and info.
Usbc, with their contact patch study, as well as brunswick, have proven urethane does not get softer, ever. Not with oil, and not with use, barring someone throwing their ball in an oven before putting it on the lanes.
A dirty 73 hardness ball, measures 69-70 due to contamination of the durometer probe. This was confirmed because the contact patches did not match what would be expected for the lower hardness. Especially considering how much the contact patch grows on a 69d ball when it is dirty.
Brunswick showed that a clean ball, after use, measured with a clean durometer probe measured the same as before use. They did the testing on new urethane as well as 30 year old urethane.
Right. So it gets dirty and softer which increases footprint. They can say whatever they want to say but we know the impact of softness. It’s clear in this video alone. Which is why this new rule is important
@@Tenpindoctors except USBC concluded that footprint correlates with production hardness, and that footprint does not effect performance on the lane.
@@travishanson166 their conclusion based on that test is silly. No matter what anyone says, bigger footprint equals more reaction
@@Tenpindoctors except they have thousands of shots on specto measuring the reaction with a robot throwing the balls. The results are relative. Urethane is designed to work with dirt and oil.
Dirt acts like sand on ice and the oil works like a viscous clutch.
It's like ball manufacturers have engineers and chemists on staff designing these things.
@@travishanson166 thousands? No
Nu Blue is a very unique ball. I'm quite shocked with how well it can do literally everything. A couple caveats though, you have to hit it hard at the bottom if you drill it strong, and you have to give it the gas. The faster you can roll it, the more alive this ball becomes, even when lofting the gutters. And it lane shines fairly quickly, but that can be a good thing for this ball.
Cool video talk tech bowling bowling Jr Raymond
On THS my NU seemed allergic to oil. Get it out into the dry (ths) it wod get back to the pocket with a urethane type line
Man every purple comparison I see it just blows my mind how much this ball is ahead of those who tries to do what he does.
Love mine, and I have another one waiting to be drilled when I need to :)
We all know the rule change is about not seeing the purple hammer on tv all the time.
Has nothing to do with a specific ball.. every other sport has made some pretty significant rule changes in the last few years. Bowling is no different. Playing by our grandpas rules from the 50’s can’t last forever
@@Brian_B300Name a sport where they made an equipment change so soon after said equipment was introduced to the sport.
@@Brian_B300 It's not even really changing rules. It's mostly about enforcing the rules we have. We just learned more about urethane getting softer and breaking the rules.
@@cadirector so soon? Urethane has been around for decades
@@Brian_B300You're right; it has nothing to do with a specific ball. It has to do with a certain PBA bowlers complaining about decades old technology that has gone into many a bowling ball, and not being able to adjust their game (mental and physical) to combat against it. No one had such problems during the transition from rubber to polyester, nor polyester to urethane. They had a lot of right to complain about the transition from urethane to reactive resin, and there were a lot of things said in the early 1990s, but bowlers adjusted to it and combated against it. But now that we go back to decades old technology, certain bowlers can't handle it, complain about it, and now rule changes were made because they can't handle the technology. Those "grandpas with those rules from the 50s" would be laughing at us right now.
I am a long time user of the Brunswick True motion. It was always a consistent ball for me, it was recently damaged by the lanes at the house that I bowl at. I saw the specs on the ZEN U and they were pretty close to what the True motion was out of the box. What do you think of it as a replacement ball? The only reason I didn't go for the blue hammer is because I have never had any real consistency with Hammer equipment.
I have considered getting the Blue Hammer NU and drill it the same layout as my Purple Hammer and my Black Widow Pink Urethane Hammer to compare it. Maybe when I graduate, I will try it to see if its for me.
How does the MCP balls from Motiv compare to the new blue Not Urethane??
You could use two cameras and show a split view. Best of both worlds.
Great vid
Good job Malia!!
Somewhere diaper rash is squeezing a water bottle ecstatically
If you think he’s the only one happy about the rule you’d be off by atleast 50
The only ones who are cranky about the new rule are B7 staffers. All the SPI guys are delerious with glee🤣🤣👍
All the righties?
The nu blue is good for about six frames then it has lost its surface. It lane shines way to quick making me have to move way to much during a set. Set the surface to 1000 (verified with surface scanner), bowl three games and it scans at stable (4600). At stable it dont hook well. I was extremely excited for that ball but it dont hold its surface long enoigh to be super effective.
Just started throwing a Purple Hammer with purple pin. Love it so far. Just a league bowler, returning to the game after an 11 year lay off.
Question: I know you say that urethane is made to pick up early. Then what was the intent of a ball like the Fever pitch that Jesper won with? It was a 2000 grit pearl. Just trying to understand if ALL urethane is meant to pick up early or just the 500 grit ones. Thanks in advance for your input!
I would look up how surface affects the ball. Usually the lower the grit early it will read. Rev it up bowling made a really good video breaking it down recently. He didn't throw urethane but the same concept will apply across all balls.
Purple is insane and a God Ball. That's why Storm had to kill it.
But, NU, despite being weaker, has some of the pedigree of the Purple, so it should work pretty well.
IQ-U/78? I actually like the idea of harder urethane because it allows a more traditional down and in 80's style play.
Harder urethane may actually result in even MORE urethane being thrown because now a lot of players that struggled with the too strong softer urethane's can get outside with the harder urethane's and just roll in direct all day. The PBA may have just opened Pandora's urethane box.
I assume the NU Blue absorbs oil? Could you show a side by side with the NU Blue, Purple and IQ showing their absorption rate
Yes nu blue absorbs. But slow compared to normal reactive
It takes about 30 mins for my NU to rest dry the flare from fresh oil. While my reactive vibe will be dry in 5
It would have been interesting to see the comparison between the new red and the buffalo.
Might sound stupid.. but what do you mean when the purple keeps going?
Pretty sick Chubs 😂😂 Nice
I think the big difference between the actual urethane balls is the hardness. As much as some organizations may say it doesn't matter, ultimately it'll be the difference maker. If the hardness didn't matter, why not just re-release the purple hammer with greater hardness so it could be used on tour? We'll see when rubber meets the road this tour season
They did already with the green pin to purple pin. I think Hammer is just sick and tired of changing hardness rules.
My softy purple is at least 5 boards stronger than my softy pitch black.
My softy purple is at least 5 boards stronger than my softy pitch black.
@@kingshabazz1310 That was to get around the 1 or 2 year time window to throw bowling balls if I remember correctly. That rule was a roundabout way to get at hardness, but it didn't actually raise the lowest level for hardness.
@@ripvanrevs The purple "out-hooked" the pitch black in terms of total boards covered anyway. It's a ball that got more total motion
If the NU is not urethane, is the hardness 73ish?
Great question. I’m not sure
The three balls are completely different. I don't throw urethane, but I like the look of NU. Great video!
When I see pros winning tournaments with the nu blue hammer,
before I get interested in buying it
why does that matter? do you throw the ball like a pro? Just because it is successful for them doesn't mean it will be successful for you.
@@BassRacerx tell us how you like it please. But hurry while they last!
I’m betting it gets retired after a year
It has every bit to do with the softness. If it wasn’t, how come only urethane balls with a hardness of 78 or higher are still allowed. And why did they ban the soaker balls decades ago?
Your first blue ball was right of where put the purple hammer.
You saw I overlaid both shots in the video right? They were identical the first 30ft
That's because the purple read/slowed down earlier than the blue. The purple doesn't want to go right as easily as the blue because it's slowing down. That's part of the reason people threw urethane on tough conditions in the first place, so the ball wouldn't shoot through the pattern so easily
@@grillmaster95 exactly
@@Tenpindoctorsthe blue was definitely slightly right of the purple, though not by much. It also looked just a touch slower.
@@MikeDCWeld lol ok. You’re wrong but ok. Thats the difference in ball motion. They are literally on top of each other the first 30ft then they separate because one’s slowing down and making its move towards the pocket and the other is still skidding right
Missed 4 right with NU
lol are you nuts?
Sorry. 3@@Tenpindoctors
A bit sensitive today.
Cheese grate the cover it “might” start to look similar… but let’s be real folks NOTHING will ever be like the Purple slammer!! The good ol days are OVER
Polish the Bad Ass Blue!!!!!!
Throw some 120 grit on that 78 rock and see what it does!
Red looks like a dud.
NU is later than the Purple and does not read the midlane as well.
Purple is still the king of this ball motion.
none of you are putting core factor in the results...its not just the cover, the reason the red flares is because of the core..same as uc3 , my uc3 will flare and im able to play multiple angles on a variety of condition...and the purple hammer will always out hook the red and nu blu because of the core and thats just the fact..
The ball's motion on the way down the lane to do what it does to the pins is just a means to an end. The end is what justifies the means. Good ball motion is meaningless without strikes, or at least good pin action and carry.
The motion on the front is what determines the motion in the back. Seeing it strike means nothing. You either want to learn or you want to argue. I will remove the pins from now on so yall aren’t obsessed with results, it’s about getting better and understanding ball motion. Not strikes during practice. Good grief
@@Tenpindoctors as long as you can determine the proper moves to get the right motion at the back, the motion at the front is mostly irrelevant. The results are what matter, not how you get to them.
@@MikeDCWeld the results matter in an event. Not when you are practicing specific things and trying to understand the front part of the lane.
@@MikeDCWeld If you think you can stubbornly ignore what the ball does in ANY part of the lane and be successful at higher levels, you're mistaken. If you can't tell when a ball is hooking at your toes and burning up in the fronts, then figuring out how to get that ball to the pocket won't help you much... because even if you do manage to find a line that "gets there", you'll still be leaving corner pins all day. Everything that happens after you let the ball go provides information, and cherry picking what to pay attention to is a recipe for failure.
@@notonyourlife7939 next you'll be telling me that you pay attention to where you stand on each shot.
If storm was capable of making a ball as good as the purple hammer would any of this be happening? Nope..
Phase IV from what I hear may be banned
Since this only affects the tour any chance of doing this comparison on a tour pattern that typically PBA pros would throw said balls? Better chance to see the real world applications for pros since the rest of the world doesn't have to worry about what the pba rules say.
oh gosh the pins are so white and blinding you should move the camera to the left so your covering them a little.😈
Jr.. referencing the usbc test and comparing 73 to 78 hardness is not what that test was for. It was to determine how the ball softened with oil and time. You just give more fuel to the urethane haters🤦♂️
I’m fully aware what the test was for.
Why are you throwing it on a house shot? Who cares what these balls do on THS....were curious how it affects the players the ball was designed for, and that's specifically the PBA