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- In this video I discuss the top five things I hate about this bike. After riding 20,000 miles on this bike I think I know it pretty well, and there are clearly some areas where this bike could be improved. See if you agree with me and if you have the same issues or any questions.
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IMO, it takes a certain type of mindset or experience to appreciate the 390. I'm only at the 600mi mark on mine (bought a 22 a month ago - thankfully the controls on that solve the off-road/on-road mode swapping when stalled). I'm coming down from an 800cc, simply because I've been riding around off-road for the past 5 years alternating between a 125 2-stroke and a 250 4-stroke dirt bike. Having 3 bikes in the garage was starting to get a bit much, so selling my 800 and 250 for the 390 made sense for the purposes of what I wanted out of an ADV bike (road usage + lighter off-road for my friends that don't want to do Enduro-style off-road). Is there anything else that you can whip around as easily as the 390 ADV? CRF300 or KLX300, sure, but you're taking a compromise on your ability to cruise adequately on the highway for when you need to. DRZ400? Great, if not amazing bike but if a criticism of the 390 ADV is the amount of modding you need to do; DRZ400S or SM is going to require a bunch of modding to get it out of its caveman territory as well. Tenere/790 ADV/any of the BMWs and you're swinging a boulder around tighter single track stuff which feels like crap if you've ever done trails on even a 400, which I don't think most people have - I think the 125 2-stroke or 250f is the more likely scenario. Is the 390 ADV a compromise? 100% - but so is everything else, so make the most of what you've got and ride it within its limitations. When I win the lottery and have a 3 car garage, maybe I'll invest in having "every bike" for "every scenario". Until then, 390 ADV it is 😎
Totally with you!
Totally on-target summary
Very accurate
I totally agree, at least the 22 version has added stronger upgraded alloy wheels and an off road mode that stays on even if the bike is stalled, so KTM are listening, I love my 22 bike, it is light enough for me to feel confident off road, and powerful enough to go travelling on.
I agree with it being a do it all option 👍🏻
Fair points, the only one I borderline disagree with is the suspension.
Being a longtime owner of Japanese bikes (I own two of them along with my 390 at this time,) the WP suspension on the 390 is significantly better than what the Japanese bikes ship with.
When riding the 390 on the road, or on dirt and gravel roads, I found the suspension quite good.
Once I started on trails, I did find that I bottomed out the front and it made sense to upgrade the springs. (💰💰)
The rear would not bottom out on me even on rough offroad. I only felt the need to replace the rear shock (💰💰💰💰💰) when I started loading the bike with camping gear for multiple days. At that point I was just crushing my spring. I think that if you are not Motocamping with the bike, the rear shock is quite good.
And finally, KTM deserves credit for providing suspension that's adjustable on a $6400 bike. That's unheard of in this day and age. Modern Japanese bikes come with very limited adjustments, and sprung for 160# riders! IMHO, KTM did much better, and at a great price. - Frank
All good points. I was definitely nitpicking.
ADV Matt-don’t let the haters dissuade you from your amazing adventures on the 390. As a Tenere owner, I purchased a 390 for commuting. As it turned out, it’s helluva fun, and I find myself using the 390 as a dual sport and relegated the T7 to touring duty. In my own experience, I realized I can ride whatever bike I want for whatever use I want, as long as I recognize each bikes’ limitations and my skill level.
I love your videos and you have inspired me to customize my 390 to do similar type of riding. People are funny.
Basically all the things you mentioned. One thing we have to remember 2020 was the first year they made this sure there are flaws. But only $ 6000.00 new and average 62 miles to the gallon I'll ride mine till the day it dies.
Totally, agree. Keep in mind, I do actually love this bike.
The suspension is the biggest weakness for sure. I have heavier duty springs both front and rear. I don't bottom out any more. The ergos required swapping out the stock seat for the rally one, foot pegs replaced with black dogs and handle bar risers solved that issue. EVERY bike needs to be modded. F9 roasts EVERY bike as well. I feel you brother!
Yep, every bike needs changes.
Hey Matt. I just upgraded my 2023 ktm 390 adv with bar risers using your extremely helpful video. It was very easy because of the video. So, thank you !!!
Great, thanks for letting me know it was helpful. Hope you are ripping on your bike.
For the price its a pretty good value. Youve ridden that thing all kinds of cool places. Thanks for sharing!
I just bought this bike in Orange. Last month I got it. It is a
2020 but it only had 400ish miles on it.
So far I love it.
I purchased this bike Feb 2022 after watching your videos late 2021 into 2022. Reviews of the BMW, RE, and other similar classed bikes have been extreme. Your DTE approach made the decision easy.
Point: I hit 1,000 miles last week, 90% of it off road: Arizona rocky trails, dirt roads, Mojave CA sand and rocky roads.
This bike, so far, has been Fn awesome. Keeping up with the bigger KLRs, GS 1250s, 890s, etc had been a blast and surprising to other Big Bike riders. I have my gripes, which are SUPER simple to adjust... but still SAVED me $thousands$ from buying a bike I didn't want, with things I didn't need. All that savings allows me to afford things I want. @islanboi
Totally agree with you. This bike will keep up all but the best riders on the bigger bikes. It is a ton a fun. Every bike has issues but this one has really rather minor issues for what you can do it.
The only thing I hate about my 390 is I have another 300 miles until the first service. Until then keep up the great work ADV!
I have definitely noticed a legit bias in youtube reviews for the 390 ADV. Fortnine's was confusing because be spent the majorty of the review speaking well of it and making it look fun as hell, then waited till the concluding sentence to dog it. Dork in the road dogged it for not being great offroad without actually taking it off road. So I dont know. Like you, I do find myself being defensive about it because if seems like it does get extra critical reviews for whatever reason. Having said that, actual owner reviews are very positive and at the end of the day that's all that counts. I love mine. Love your videos, pleas keep them coming!
I agree, the negative reviews are from non-owners. Love mine too. Thanks.
Appreciate your objectivity here and ability to take the criticism in stride whilst still seeing the forest for the trees, subscribed.
Thanks, I appreciate. Just trying educate, inspire and in this case entertain just a bit. Cheers!
Thanks for the video Matt! Sorry you get that kind of feedback about the bike, not fun to hear I bet. You've proven what the 390 can do! Excited to get mine out on more adventure trails. Keep up the content!
Hi Matt! I just got over 20000km on my 2020 Orange 390 ADV. Stator fried on the 1st of August this year and wasn't repaired until the 26th or I would have over 25000km! I agree with your comments. My mods: Rox risers, double take mirrors, Kappa light bar with cheap 3" LEDs, 47T rear sprocket, BDSB exhaust end cap kit, Tusk Highland X2 luggage, Rottweiler Performance rear master cylinder guard kit, Tusk Top rack, side stand big foot, Black high fender kit and an aluminum rad guard. I run Bridgestone Battlax AX41 tires. Great vids!
Sorry to hear about the stator but you have a fantastic build. Right on!
A newbie 390 adv owner here. Adventure bikes are the most controversial bikes you can buy. They tend to be more road or more off-road usage. This 390 is the younger brother of 890 adventure S version, not R.
I think that people who are happy with 390 ADV don't use it as an R version.
For me it's a perfect BMW x3 equivalent, I don't expect desert off-road capabilities
Check out my Five things I love about this bike. It will balance things out. I do actually love this bike, I have not seen a single bike that could replace it. Cheers.
My primary bike is a GS but, as you know, it can be a handful. So I wanted something more trail oriented and, frankly, easier to pick up off the ground. I added a Honda CRF300L to the garage. I’ve changed the handlebars, added risers, changed the foot pegs, upgraded the suspension, replaced the seat…and I’m not sure I’m done. I guess that happens when you buy the budget bike in the lineup. So we are kind of in the same boat. But my bike makes me smile! 👍
That last part is what matters the most!
What... nothing about the cinder block stock seat?😂
Great stuff as usual Matt...thanks for the insights and smiles!
It may not be the unicorn for all people but for the ability the value and the quality also and riding it the way it was designed to be ridden there is none better at this time in my opinion. I believe you have been having problems with your suspension simply because you have it caring much more weight than it’s designed to, I rode the entire continental divide trail , and regarding the suspension the one thing that stands out is the hundreds of miles of washboard roads that were a real aggravation. I really believe when choosing a motorcycle you must buy one that fits you and that you fit, I’m 5 foot eight and 150 pounds. For me this has been one of the best motorcycles I have ever owned, until the next one.
HAPPY TRAILS FROM TEXAS
Ehhh ... what does FortNine know? Have you seen the ugly jackets he's hawking now? Artsy yes, selling out ... yeah, maybe.
;)
I love my KTM 390 Adv. I'm giving my son the Himalayan and keeping the KTM. I sat on a BMW 310 and that was enough.
I just had my first service ... erm a wee bit late at ~1800 mi and the tech knew nothing about a firmware update that included the mtc. Yeah, you ARE rough on that bike, but man ain't it a fun bike? I'm 6'-0" so the only thing I want to change are maybe the pegs that lower the height about an inch, the risers that raise the bar ~¾" and a more comfortable seat. Where I live, you need to hit the highway to get to the good stuff.
Ride that mutha 'til falls apart Matt. You picked a good'un!
S
PS: FortNine is very good, but I've been a wee bit disappointed in him recently.
Thanks for all the 390 info over the last year or two
Switching from a VStrom 650 to hopefully a new 390 adv when I can get my hands on one, but yea, gotta drop some $$ to get the ergos sorted
I sold my WR250R and 650 Vstrom to buy and kit-out my 390. It took me a while to love the 390 but once I adjusted my expectations, I found my groove with the KTM. It really is the best of the WR and the DL in one package.
Went from a versys 650v to the 390 and it was the best decision.
I love my bike and im very comfortable riding it. Ive already put a lot of accesories and it serves it purpose. Power delivery. Its right for me. We all have our own thoughts about the 390 but i love my bike. Vince from the philippines
Now that they fixed the traction control issue offroad its pretty appealing but ill wait for the 2025 that looks like more of a small adv bike. That bike will likwly be my unicorn bike (smaller, lightish, appropriate power for highway riding, wind protection, long travel suspension, capable offroad).
That bike, if it ever gets released will be amazing.
I love mine. It could be lighter. It could have more travel and clearance. But all in all, it's been super enjoyable for me, even up and over Mengel Pass in Death Valley. If 390 Adventure R addressed the issues you outlined, it'll be amazing; slotted between 690 Enduro R and 390 ADV.
Agreed, I might take a very close look at the R.
Thanks Matt. Ignore the haters! It ain’t perfect, but I love my 390, best bike I’ve ever owned!
good review. You've basically built an "R" version, so you've taken an affordable lightweight ADV and made it your own, and more capable. Wonder if the "R" comes out if it will still catch flack. probably. it's the baby in the series. The baby always catches the flack, because you could have gone upmarket. If it gets you where you're going, and you feel comfortable riding the trails you ride, that's sort of all that matters.
Fast forward to the 2023 model comes with tubless laced wheels.
Hopefully we will be able to get the wheels as a replacement part.
Just added fork extenders and made a huge difference, and gave me some added clearance. They could easily take this bike and give us what we all want which is a 400cc dirt oriented adv bike.
Where did you get the extenders? I had seen these last year but someone had done a limited run on them.
@@advmatt th-cam.com/video/LDcJTjNl3m0/w-d-xo.html i make them now, if interersted let me know
Hey Matt i share your feelings. Regarding the mtc i have moved rear wheel sensor to front wheel . Speedo works fine no errors no abs on rear wheel abs on front works fine and best of all no mtc . The rest is unfortunately not practical to attempt to change . Sure Ktm could improve but what will they have for next generation to keep sales going
Bike not suited for the type of riding and still doing it, I'd take it as a complement to both the rider and the bike. Apart from ground clearance you addressed all the issues, although it's extra money. Great video, thanks! P.s. 20 000 miles kind of proves that it is suited for your riding.
Changed my gearing to 15/48. Gave a little on top end to have more down below. I put rival skid plate and pegs on mine. You nailed everything that needs addressed but the key is it fits me and that’s all that matters
where did you get your parts?? i’m having trouble locating..i’m probably going to have to do the same… i pick my 2022 up this coming tuesday, thanks in advance…
I have almost 6900 miles on and it runs excellent
@@tomcharles7755 who’s your go to for parts?
Multiple places best dual sport bikes Rocky Mountain atv. eBay etc
Good newa about #5. A patch is out to stop the traction control reset on stalling. As long as you don't power off it will stay on its setting. I'd check with your dealer to see if they have it yet. Was released in India when the 2022 models started shipping amd I've been advised here in Australia that I can get it when those bikes land here. 2022s now arrived in USA so should be possible for you now.
Thanks for the tip on the software update.
Absolutely agree with you sir.
No bike in the market is perfect especially in India. In order to make this bike a dual purpose one I have modified it to fit to my purpose. Unfortunately in India there are no competitors for this bike at its price point of 5000$.
I own adventure 390 2022 model in this new model the Traction control doesn't reset like in older model's when switched to off road mode. Here in India the old models got an ecu update as well getting off road mode where traction control doesn't reset when bike stops.
I used fork lifters & added extra spring to the stock eventually got 270mm of Ground clearance.
Used 2 inch risers & changed my handle bar with a cross bar
Unfortunately here in India we don't get the adjustable suspension for adventure 390 instead we get road biased stiff suspension which is a bummer. Got quick shifter with auto blipper in stock bike
I don't like the low end torque delivery of this bike so i used fuel x pro fuel mapper 80℅ of the low end torque is solved without effecting the top speed. Must have upgrade in my opinion 👌
Used powertronic ecu for the extra 2000 rpm unlock
Using the cast wheels for 4k kms & done wheelies & hardcore offroad but doesn't have any problems so far.
Planning to do a full system exhaust mod but after seeing you removing the resonator I came to know that will serve my purpose of getting that extra sound.
I hope it didn't damage your engine so far 🤔.
I dropped my idea of getting full system mod as it's too complex & risky on engine life.
Your bike sounds awesome. I have almost 10k miles on the resonator with no issues. It's a great bike.
I have an early 2020 with the stick cast wheels. Only changed the pegs and added risers. Love the bike, but then again, I Live in Germany, where Off-Road is a Myth since all the forests are for hiking only! Occasionally I travel to Sweden and enjoy some Gravel Roads, or down South of Europe (planned) where I will also enjoy some gravel roads! So for my use case, this bike is pretty much perfect.
Why I chose this bike: I can only have 1 bike right now, and I had a limited budget when I bought it. So this fits well in the one bike that does it all category, but without compromising on-road performance! I look at it as a more comfortable Duke, that is capable of some light off-road! so exactly what the Marketing department of KTM was thinking as well.
I have an early 2020 with the stick cast wheels. Only changed the pegs and added risers. Love the bike, but then again, I Live in Germany, where Off-Road is a Myth since all the forests are for hiking only! Occasionally I travel to Sweden and enjoy some Gravel Roads, or down South of Europe (planned) where I will also enjoy some gravel roads! So for my use case, this bike is pretty much perfect.
Why I chose this bike: I can only have 1 bike right now, and I had a limited budget when I bought it. So this fits well in the one bike that does it all category, but without compromising on-road performance! I look at it as a more comfortable Duke, that is capable of some light off-road! so exactly what the Marketing department of KTM was thinking as well.
Good review Matt
All typical complaints about the 390
I own one also and don’t care what other people think about it, I really like mine but in agreement with 4 outta 5 of your complaints, but you have ridden yours much harder than I have
I find it interesting that Husqvarna put spoked wheels on the 401 svartpilen which is the same bike basically as the 390
I have been looking at the Husky wheels to see if they can be purchased for those with out spoked now.
@@advmatt am told Husky hubs will fit and they've successfully had wheels built not cheaply...
@@onemetre I saw this from Rottweiler Performance. I think they used the Husky hubs.
Love mine but as you mentioned they’re not best under 4k rpm partly due to lean emissions restricted fuelling. I found this can be much improved by fitting a Rapidbike Easy module which modifies the lambda sensor signal to fool the ecu into running a little richer in closed loop mode. Low rpm running is much more settled, and throttle control more mellow and predictable, better suited to some of the technical riding you face. Powertronic Fuel x modules work on the same principle and are also well reviewed. Recommend this mod as an inexpensive method of making the bike run much better at low revs without any noticeable downsides.
Before commenting I want to state that I have done some, but not a lot, of research on ECU fuel modules. From the research I did it appears the fuel controllers require the removal of the stock header for a new one without catalytic converters. If I am wrong please correct me. If you remove catalytic converters you have to keep the resonator to maintain proper back pressure for the low RPM torque. I don't want to re-install something that put a tremendous amount of heat stress on my shock, which is why I have stayed away from fuel tuners. I don't have direct experience with the fuel controllers, but that is what I found in my research. I will look into the Rapidbike Easy module to see what the installation requires. I haven't found the engine to be problematic offroad. I adjusted how I ride and keep the engine RPMs up and use the clutch a bit more or a lower gear than I would have before. I am not the best rider and I don't ride extreme terrain like many of you out there where you might want lower rpm grunt. Thanks for the tip.
Hi Matt, these work more as fuel tweakers than controllers, the Rapidbike Easy module only intercepts and modifies the signal from the lambda sensor on its way to the ECU. This signal is used by the ECU to make final fuel trim adjustments to achieve the target 14.7:1 ratio during closed loop mode, which I have found later generation bikes like ours operate in most of the time during normal riding. What I like about this type of module is that everything still works as originally designed, but fuelling is aimed at something closer to 14:1 ratio which just makes them run nicer.
You can leave your catalytic converters in place, it will work with or without them as the lambda sensor is upstream of these so any resulting change in mixture caused by whatever modification will be detected by the lambda, modified slightly by the RB module, then acted upon by the ECU to trim the fuelling back to what it believes is an air fuel ratio of 14.7:1. When the engine is worked hard with wide open throttle at high revs the ECU switches to open loop mode, and the lambda sensor signal isnt used so this module makes no difference to top end performance which is fine by me.
Installation is easy, the unit simply plugs in series with the Lambda sensor using the connectors just behind where the ignition coil sits. I identified three units that work in the same way, The RB Easy, Powertronic fuel x and the AF-Xied which should all give very similar results. As you say this isnt a major issue on the 390 and its not too difficult to ride around it, but its really nice not having to. I’ve ridden mine in stock trim for a couple of years without it bugging me too much but found myself researching it a bit during these cold winter months. A good comparative test is to try to hold the revs at a steady 2500rpm in neutral, mine had a tendency to be unsteady either dropping back to tickover or surging slightly to 3000rpm where it was happier, but that little extra fuel helps it settle down to be much more controllable at any chosen rpm. Three richer settings can be selected on the RB Easy, which can be seen to make a measurable difference by comparing fuel trim values in back to back tests, but I run mine on +1 as that seems to provide the right balance between a smoother running engine and increased fuel consumption for me.
Watched and enjoyed pretty much everything you’ve covered Matt, thanks for the entertainment, keep doing what you’re doing!
I knew what I was getting into.... the low bars are the only one I can really say I struggle with.
Have you tried risers or replacing the bars. I did both and the new setup is fantastic.
I have the very small risers from KTM on there. Eventually I’ll do longer clutch cable and risers.
I don't even know how I got here, well I sort of know how. I live and ride in Asia, I have two 150 cc Hondas, an air cooled, 5 speed no hp CFR and my new 150 cc, water cooled, 6 speed, looking like a million bucks CB150X, still very little hp. The big bike is the new Rally, here it's still only 250, license, tax.........Last year I did 3000 miles, adventure ride in eastern Europe. I was on the 800 GS, my friend on his almost classic by now GS1150. At first the 800 was terrifying, then it became less but it was always too tall, too heavy, just too much. Few times when "lost" on epic trails, we had to turn around (not easy with these beasts) because our 50 years old brains were telling us that it was no longer smart or fun to continue. We both were dreaming of something light.
I am so sick and tired of most everyone referring to these bikes as beginner bikes, complaining about 42 hp!!!!!! Different environment here but, I have more fun on the 12hp CRF then the Rally in dirt. So here I am, looking to buy my own bike in Europe, I thought the Rally 300 was it, now this KTM is looking like a potential target. Truth is, I am more road oriented rider, I stay off high ways religiously, I functionally prefer cast/tubeless wheels (although emotionally love spoke wheels), again emotionally want more ground clearance, but I would need that during 5% of my riding.....Just like the rest of us I sorta know what I need but my emotions tell me otherwise, no wonder that the "perfect" bike does not exist.
KTM, strange that I am looking at it, the reliability question is nagging me. The "racer" boy electronics I could also do without. Last fear is in becoming a member of the "ready to race" cult, same as the "life style" or GS cult. Somehow I am starting to look away from the "nicest people ride Hondas" camp and possibly take a dive into the KTM world. Interesting turn of events, thx for a nice vid.
Love your comments. Come to the orange side and be 'Ready to Race'. You wont regret it. I have a lot of videos on this bike. I recommend you look through my channel. You will see a lot of your questions answered. I have a video coming on the five things I love about this bike. You might find it interesting and helpful. Cheers.
@@advmatt Thx, yes i will watch lot more to get a better picture of what I am possibly getting myself into. Still, I am not getting the tee shirt or a tattoo.........
I like your talks 😁 Frank+funny.
And I feel your pain 😆 I think there is a deeper root somewhere. Something is in the way of creating good all around general purpose bikes. There's too many models, too much inattention to detail. It's as if mfrs never bother test riding their own bikes, and just sit around on PCs designing new looks to come out of their assembly lines. I mean, the ADV market is over 40 years old now. They ought to have attained perfection at reasonable costs by now. There's something wrong with the business models or something.
I have heard one of the reasons manufacturers don't build the perfect bike is two fold, one it would cost a fortune, and the aftermarket industry is huge. They don't want to damage it making perfect bikes. That was a quote I heard from someone who worked for Honda North America.
FYI, if you are tall like me, you won't have the ergonomic issues. I'm 6'3", and this bike fits me perfectly. I rode a Duke, and it was extremely uncomfortable. The forward pegs made the world's difference at my height.
Would you reconsider a lighter skid plate? Is there a close 2nd without the weight penalty? Or recommended other parts to make up the weight added? Am seeing this contribute to rear suspension woes.
A common thought is, "why does the Black Dog plate waste space when they could make it closer to the engine". They probably could, but then it would be attached to the engine like so many other bash plates. If you hit the plate hard, the others could crack your crankcase. The BD plate is mounted completely free from touching the engine.
FortNine didn't hate this bike. He hated the footpegs on this bike, and rightly so. But he should have mentioned after-market upgrades.
My biggest gripe for me, (road use) is handle bar vibration, have fitted grip puppies hoping they help, have yet to test
Let me know how they work out.
#1 is the key.... The ergonomic on this bike is horrible 😢 I'm thinking in sold it and buy another bike for than reason, but in the other side... I love the power of this machine, it's supper funny with the TC off... And I dont see it on other bikes on this range of CC/price/weight...
Matt, I like your efforts in making these videos and things you done to the bike. But, If you ride a bike outside it's design limits or ones capabilty, you allways feel a need for upgrades. The way I ride (mild dirt or gravel roads and tarmac) the bike suits me better than any other bike I owned in the past 20 years. But I guess owning a bike is as personal as it gets. Right now I'm tweaking the bike to be an excellent adventuretouring bike with the ability to go on a solo muli-day campingtrip. On every single bike I owned I upgraded the suspension and exhaustsystem. It made the bike feel different and in some cases improved the bike. But right now I don't feel the need to change this on my bike. The adjustable suspension is more than adequate for my needs. I don't see the need for spoked wheels. I like the fact that I don't have to hussle with innertubes, which I had to do on my 990 adventure. And the combination of a low ground clearance and a higher seating position makes the ideal small bike with more than enough space for my long legs. The only real upgrade I did after I bought the bike was fitting the powerparts risers. This makes standing better and seems to give a bit more control when cornering. The MTC-issues have been solved in the 2022 version which I have and word goes that older bikes can be upgraded with the new firmware. I'm looking forward to your next video! 😀
You talk about long legs, how tall are you? I'm 6' and I think to buy this bike.
@@yannchiasson1754 That will fit nicely. With my 1m84 cm it is spot on.
KTM should really just make a dual sport bike with that engine and it would fill a gap because there is really no other fuel injected lightweight bike with long maintenance interval with this engine size. To that you add a windshield, a comfy seat, a rear rack and I think you would have a small unicorn bike.
I agree. What I really want is the 690 single cylinder engine in the 890 adventure platform, but sadly we will never see this.
@@advmatt So I guess for longer trips on the road a bigger engine is more appropriate, not as near to it's top end and less buzzy.
@@sebastiengreen1517 I still do long rides on this bike. I don't mind the vibration. In strong winds the power can be challenged.
My side stand was a little bit bent down and my bike stand position has change the angle, my horn was unworked some times, and vibration is not good...
He Matt and Fellow KTM 390 ADV Fans, just a PSA. Some of the new 2022 models are not coming with the updated /improved 10 spoke cast wheels. I found out the hard way when I purchased mine a few days ago and didn't realize it till today when looking at some photos I took at the dealership. I"m picking up the bike Saturday, hopefully the dealer can take care of me some how.
Just something to look out for if your a potential buyer of the "22 model.
Thanks for information on the new bikes.
Update: was told by KTM Rep that USA market is not getting updated wheel set, only Euro Markets
@@SBMotoZ thanks.
A couple of years ago,at a BMW rally, there was a girl sponsored by BMW that had ridden all over the world on her 310. I was impressed, until I listened to all the things she had done to it.
Likely very modified.
The bike that you want doesn’t exist from the factory, at least that is my experience. In my experience, once the paving ends, the lighter the bike the bigger the smile. You need to hang on to your custom bike, it’s awesome and the envy of many.
I am totally with you on all accounts. Any new bike will require thousands of dollars in modifications. Better to keep what I have. Cheers.
There seems to be a software update that solves the stroke control problem, at least in India....
Love your videos on the KTM 390.
I'm going to buy 2022 model and since I don't think that I'll run it off road as hard as you. So naturally I hate less concers about ground clearance, wheels and shocks. Just like to hear from you if the bike is reliable. Any issues with the engine fuel or electrical system.
The best way to answer your question is with this video. I ha e 22.5k miles on the bike now and my assessment is the same. th-cam.com/video/ZvlOYKMtlaE/w-d-xo.html
Also glad I found your channel. Most every channel on
TH-cam weather on this bike or any channel with info
On any thing about this bike are mostly in India the
country. Does anyone have any links for channel on this
Bike ?
Thanks for any help anyone could give me.
Dennis
Well I've done the suspension, Hyper pro front and rear, handle bar risers, foot pegs, front fender,
Well, what do you think? Did it make a difference for you?
@@advmatt Front springs (Hyperpro) made a great improvement on and off road. Rear emulsion shock (Hyperpro) made some improvement over stock but studder bumps on road still a bit stiff even backing off on spring rate after they set to my weight. Jumping up to 48 tooth rear sprocket was one of the best improvements as far as any stalling issues with traction control on or off. (Still 118 link chain) Fuel programmer from Best duel sport also a plus for proper mixture in the higher rpms. Ground clearance could be better as you said but cornering on road is spot on at higher speeds. Guess we just can't have the best of both unless we spend 3 times the money to begin with. Keep up the posts. Scott.
@@scottporter0069 the suspension upgrade is the best thing I did to my bike. Back off your low speed compression some on your shock. It will help with the smaller bumps. I have a pending Hyperpro suspension review to do. Hopefully this fall.
@@advmatt I backed off the spring rate quite a bit and a couple of notches on the rebound. Thinking the way the suspension is designed on the bike is not really set up for a rider that weights less than 160lbs.
@@scottporter0069 ok, but the compression damping is where you feel the difference when hitting bumps, once your sag is set properly.
You have over 20k miles on your bike. Not many TH-cam Trolls have that many on theirs. Ride your bike, enjoy your bike and keep putting out good content. Cheers
Thanks. Will do, more to come.
@ADV Matt
What risers did you buy? I am having trouble finding a decent set.
Thanks
I am not finding the blocks that I used. Here is a link to essentially what you need, amzn.to/3KpTWwU . Here is a link to Ali Express for the riser block. I recommend replacing the bolt to better quality. www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804366683164.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.11.24464a09lBiVFJ&algo_pvid=e84f64b7-c640-41e2-b9b6-7c46fd8a80fc&algo_exp_id=e84f64b7-c640-41e2-b9b6-7c46fd8a80fc-5&pdp_npi=3%40dis%21USD%2123.12%2115.95%21%21%21%21%21%40210217c716810124435757968d0750%2112000029585791058%21sea%21US%210&curPageLogUid=Cun6fdj7vSHd . I looked at my usual sites and they don't have the blocks. Hope this helps.
Which bar risers did you use ?
Any cable rerouting necessary?
I am leaving links to the videos about the bar risers and changing bars. It will answer all your questions.
th-cam.com/video/nAtiryODvEs/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/tV-GQT4m5VY/w-d-xo.html
I own this bike. The TFT getting condensation all the time and the built quality is what I hate the most. I had teared hoses and random stalling. Doesn’t inspire much confidence on long term quality.
The stalling issue is likely related to valve clearance. Have the valves checked. This fixed my stalling problem.
Maybe if KTM ever actually comes out with a 490 Adv, it will be less polarizing. But then again, people being who they are, I doubt it.
With all you've put as upgrade, you are close to KTM 690 enduro bike. I am really seriously thinking of 690 now, while waiting whether 390R Adventure will see the day and tick all the boxes, or they will cut the corners and just have a bit more ground clearance only. Some spy shots came of the KTM knockout GasGas which might be that 390R most of the people are waiting for.
The 690 needs a lot more modifications to make it a good adventure bike. And that cost a lot. Fortunately, I still have less invested than it would cost to buy a new 690, but I am also thinking about getting one in the future. It is hard to know what KTM is going to do.
My main issue is the way the bike handles with strong(er) wind. Might be the downside for riding a lighter bike but still. When there are guswinds it sometimes scares the s*** out of me.
I have been blown completely across the road as well. Strong winds can be scary. It's the only downside to light bikes I have found.
Might get more hits if you include the year in the title. Great video but I'm not sure if anything applies to the 2023 I'm buying . Thanks
There has been little that changed between model years, but one of my complaints was the traction control, that has been fixed. Honestly, I was grasping to come up with these. I absolutely love this bike and it only has some minor annoyances. Thanks for watching.
Given I have a Duke 390 and rarely go off-road, this is all academic to me. Interesting, though.
Can I know what handle bar you have now ? That will help me sold problem on my bike
Here is a link to the video I did on the bars. th-cam.com/video/tV-GQT4m5VY/w-d-xo.html
Enjoying all the information on the 390 you’ve been providing. Going to purchase one very soon. What are your top 3 choices for a reckless panniers in your opinion. Doing light off road use. Best P
I don't have any experience with rackless panniers. If I was to buy a rackless pannier set I would likely go with the Tusk set due to price. I have other Tusk luggage and it has held up fine. Cheers.
@@advmatt Okay, I’ll check them out and Touratech’s version as well. Little pricy but quality. Best
Hey Matt, here in India the dealers are providing a a firmware update which fixes the TC reset issue. Essentially we end up with the 2022 model firmware with the ride modes.
How to get in Philippines I wonder, Anyone?
I just mine last week
Nothing I "hate" per se, just a few small dislikes. The main one is probably fwy cruising power; going uphill with a headwind, I had it pinned on a few occasions barely keeping my speed. Offroad, the suspension could be a bit better but it's definitely not terrible either.
Been there in the wind. I agree with you.
You know? I only have 6k miles on mine but I can’t argue with any of your points. I might order them differently but I agree with all the points.
I like this bike because it’s a capable adventure platform at 1/2 the price of bigger KTM or BMW adventure bikes. And I love it off-road more than on-road. Most of all, it’s lighter than all those other ADV behemoths. “Light is right” in adventure riding.
(FWIW, Fortnine comes across as a pretentious, opinionated snob, more interested in slick video productions than approachable reviews, IMO.)
I did this for fun and it has certainly touched a nerve with some riders out there.
I'm struggling between this bike and the CRF 300 Rally, what are your thoughts in it?
It depends on how you plan to ride. Lots of offroad with little on road and not carrying camping gear the CRF might be the better choice. If you want to adventure ride the 390 might be better because of better suspension and more power. It is a tough choice.
Which is the Suzuki handle bar bend you are talking about @4:14 ?
I did a video on the handle bar upgrade. Watch this. th-cam.com/video/tV-GQT4m5VY/w-d-xo.html
Great video Matt. Just bought another big girl. Why? Because it fits what I do. Love what yer doing. As far as the haters and brand loyalists go? They can go suck an egg...
I'm underwhelmed by its power. Yes, you can get it to 160km/h, but that involves revving it up a lot (10k in 5th)...and I just don't wanna do it. I don't think it's got 43 hp. Yeah, coming from a Honda CRF300L I was expecting a bit more. On the other hand, you really do get a lot of bike for your money. Nice bike.
I get were your coming from. I have adapted my riding style squeeze more out of this bike by riding in the higher RPM range. It's not for everyone, but right now there really isn't anything better in the small, lighter weight catergory. Cheers
Hi, the updated version does not reset the traction control when stalling. Possibly KTM can update the software to solve this for you. (Or they should at least, as this is a general comment)
Great videos Matt but I have a question for you that I don't believe you addressed in any of your videos. Several people on many 390 ADV groups have complained about the poor running and constant stalling of the motor. Some talk about several crank and stalls when the engine is cold while others discuss the bike stalling when downshifting and coming to a traffic light and pulling the clutch in. Many causes have been mentioned but nobody has totally hit on what the real fix is. Things that were mentioned include crimped fuel hose, low fuel pressure on fuel pump, defective micro switch on clutch lever, updated firmware needed, yada yada yada. Did you ever experience any of the stalling or other drivability issues in the first few hundred miles? If so what was your solution to remedy problem. Also just curious what version firmware you are running. I believe yours is a 2020 as well as mine. I have the V09 firmware currently.
Matt's really good at answering questions, so I'm guessing that he just missed this one. He has said that his stalling issues were solved after finding valve clearances too tight, and having it corrected.
Thanks for doing this. Your reviews are very thorough. Somewhere along the way I’d be interested in a comparison of this to the KTM 390 Adventure. Arguably this bikes foremost competitor.
Do you mean the BMW GS310?
Hey Matt! I was digging through your videos and was wondering if you ever considered different crash bars? Finally had my first solid tipover on a difficult trail and noticed I bent the right side crash bar pretty significantly. Kinda suprised by that; looks like the bottom mount bent. Have you had any issues with yours?
I haven't had any issues with the crash bars, but I have only had one significant off. The bars seemed to hold up but I think the bag on the bars absorbed some of the impact. I have considered getting new ones but the price has put me off. SRC or something like that makes a really solid looking crash bar. Cheers.
@@advmatt Thanks Matt! They do look pricey but connecting the right and left bars together like they do probably makes them far more sturdy. Took the stock one off this morning and the hit was actually at the front of the upper portion, which bent out the upper arm. So, it did in fact bend the bar and not the mounting points. I'm guessing it hit a rock just right; bike was on a downslope, so it fell a good ways. Main reason for the crash; couldn't get my right foot down since there was about 2 feet of air LOL I'm going to see if I can find a way to bend it back a little. At least it did what it was supposed to; design could just be bit better.
@@advmatt Another note: Black Dog lists their skid plate is not compatible with the SRC crash bars.
@@luciano136 didn't know that, thanks for sharing that. I think there are some other brands out there. I have seen from India but not sure how strong they might be.
@@advmatt Yea, I was looking at those too but hard to say. Best I could find is using the upper SW Motech engine guard that bolts to the stock KTM crash bars. That may give a similar strength to SRC.
I think the Ktm 690 enduro or Husky 701 enduro suits you better.These two are my dream dirt bikes, but not sold in my country🇨🇳😂.
Shock needs a heat shield. There is room for it.
the strong vibration feels on my hand and feet after the long-ride is what I don't like about my 390. if there is a solution pls let me know. wearing thicker riding shoes and gloves perhaps might solve this?
I am not sure what to tell you. I have seen some inserts into the handlebars that are supposed to reduce vibrations, but I haven't tried them yet. As for your feet, maybe try the SW-Motech footpegs with rubber inserts. It should help.
I love my '21 390, but I've had a persistent oil leak around the front sprocket. My dealership keeps telling me that it's chain lube and I had a look but couldn't see anything. Runs fine and the oil level seems good, so I don't really know what to do.
Clean around the area and then run the bike on the stand and see if any oil comes out, you might be able to remove the chain lube from the equation that way
@@michaelsimonds7112 Definitely know that it's oil now. I took it to the dealer and they agreed, but they have a 1 week wait. They also said they need to hold on to the bike because their service schedule is weird. Said it might be a crank shaft seal or something to that effect. I guess I'll find out next week, maybe.
I just hate the ground clearance
Understood.
390 adv is my first motorcycle. I hate the engine, it's jerky on low rpms, like 3000 rpms unusable while >5000 produce a lot of vibrations. I have to shift often. I tried to ride a Ninja 250 and it has a better engine.
I like this engine, but has to be ridden at 4k rpms or higher. Between 5k and 7k it is the smoothest. I like the vibes I get from this bike, but I also wring it out and keep the rpms high. It's all a preference.
I read somewhere that a firmware update fixed the mtc dementia.
I generally agree, with one exception. The front forks are nowhere near good enough.They feel that there is nowhere near any progression
and feel cheap.
And the looks of course: by far the ugliest bike in production.
Apart from that, on the road, quite good vfm.🙂
Yeah, forks were awful until I installed the progressive springs. Thanks for watching.
It was probably originally sprung for my weight 155 lbs. I’m a lightweight.
Perhaps, I cant get back down under two bucks.
I weigh 145 and I think the stock suspension on my 390 may be a little stiff for me lol
It seems like it won't matter what bike you have you will hate some things about. It really does seem like you have the wrong bike .I just sold my 2016 Africa twin ..why ? It was to damn heavy . Any way I bought the 2022 390 ADV .It doesn't the auto traction reset feature which is nice but it still all the issue's you complained about ... perhaps the 2022 cast wheels are stronger we will see .But I knew that when bought it.You should have bought the suzuki DRZ 400 . The only thing I did to mine was add a steering damper which was a pain in the ass because I had to make my own frame attachment point.
You need a Tuareg 660! - Frank
Maybe, or a highly molded 690!
@@advmatt That would be a fantastic choice for sure! Just get a 2019 or later for the slightly smoother engine. A buddy has a 2017 and I think I lost a filling riding it! - Frank
if you could do it over would you have got the KLR 650 instead?
Not a chance. I had a KLR long ago and I hated it. The five speed transmission was awful for highway speeds. After owning that bike for nine months I sold it and quit riding for years. My experience on it was really unpleasant. I couldnt afford a better bike at the time. The 390 Adv is a better bike in every aspect from my experience.
I thought KTM is allowing the MY2020 & 2021 390 ADV to have software updated (for free) to include street & off-road modes? The off-road mode would allow MTC to be permanently turned off. This feature is already available in the 2022 model.
I think that is correct. I dont have a dealership near by so I havent been able to take mine in. Once I do, I will provide an update.
what's that windshield?
It's made by Rade Garage, here is a link to my video, th-cam.com/video/Eko4KCyPd2I/w-d-xo.html
I ride a 300 two stroke as an ultralight adventure bike....I definitely ride the wrong bike.....
In India ktm 390 adventure gets 2 ride mode street and off road .. there is a no staling issues.. go to serve centre and get ecu update and abs update.. 390 adventure was outstanding motorcycle .. 👍
I too hate people who ride the wrong bike wrongly. Jack-a-ninnies.
Would you buy it again or you would rather have a cb500x?
I would buy it again without hesitation. I have had so much fun riding this bike. The low weight really makes it fun and has about the same HP as the CB500X.
You’re ergo complaint is simply customising to your size, you can’t ‘hate’ that you need to change the handlebar location, everyone is different. KTM have a bashplate, maybe the aftermarket one you chose was poorly designed and uses more clearance. You should point out the MY bike you have as most things are possibly no longer issues with later models, the TC for example 🤷♂️
I struggled to come up with things I really didn't like about this bike. I did this video strictly for entertainment purposes. I did a follow-up to this video, the five things I love about it. Watch that video to see the other side.
Hey Matt, agree with you on all the things. you can try the fork extenders to get more ground clearance. did some gnarly trails with them never did i hit the bash plate once.
I've made a video explaining them as best as i can.
th-cam.com/video/LDcJTjNl3m0/w-d-xo.html
Real question is why did you purchase the bike. Did you do research prior?
I was one of the first to purchase this bike back in August 2020. There really were no videos on this bike. I was pretty much the first person to start producing 390 Adventure videos in English. Check out my 5 things I love video for the other side.
Kind of feels like you bought the wrong machine for your intended use.
Wait for the 5 things I love. You might think differently.
For the money you put into it you should have gone with the 890 R! Problem solved.
Well, except for the weight.
Sell it and get a Kawasaki X 300 Versys