Mass Effect 2 ending - Ultimate Renegade - Full HD
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ม.ค. 2010
- The final battle and best possible "Renegade" ending for Mass Effect 2. Also of note is the Cain nuke launcher used against the human reaper larva. Having all team members loyal and full Normandy upgrades, the result is that no one dies, the station is preserved, and Harbinger is pissed off because his collector puppets are dead and he now has to make his way back "on foot" with his reaper buddies from dark space. Full HD (h.264/aac) taken with Fraps and converted with Avidemux. Enjoy! NOTE: Check the paragon ending for a caption explanation of what's going on.
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So Harbinger is literally controling the collector dude and says to him that he failed? Thats some insane arrogance right there.
Kind of feel bad for the collector general, considering he was being controlled by Harbinger, and the second he regains control he blows the fuck up.
TheXenoclover Its not like he had 2 day till retirement.
No, he was calling Shepard a failure. Before Bioware Retconned the entire story in Mass Effect 3, the Reapers were meant to be primordial beings that existed long before any living within the Milky Way. He is telling Shepard that he has failed to stop the Reapers, because they can just fly into the Galaxy from deep space, they just wanted that relay for convenience.
No he was clearly talking to the General. But I dont think he was directly controlling him and he merely under a state of servitude. He still did what he was told but his actions were separate from Harbinger
@@able6542 No, he's talking to Shepard. Saying "human, you have changed nothing"
TIM in ME2: "Don't let idealism blind you"
TIM in ME3 - [became so idealistic about humanity that started to use Reapers' technologies "for the best of mankind"]
+Paul Akama That is just ME3 being the worst thing to ever happen to the franchize. It felt so rushed and contradictory.
Lol TIM was indoctrinated in ME3.
He was indoctrinated...
My Shepard was Idealist... Except few cases where he had to have strong opinions and got cheated.
Paul Akama
For just a second I thought you were giving dialogue from some guy in the game named Tim hahaha
The Illusive Man was far more interesting in ME2 than 3. A deuteragonist who is the only one willing to do what it takes to fight a genocidal threat? Give me that any day over an indoctrinated puppet/Saren redux. In spite of all the wicked stuff they did, Cerberus at the very least had conviction and resourcefulness. A better ME3 plot would be if TIM actually did find a plan to stop the Reapers, but that plan involved doing a lot of questionable things and Shep would have to choose his allegiance long before the final mission. Trust a haphazard alliance of galactic races to figure things out? Go for a more calculated solution but risk bringing an immoral overlord to power in the aftermath? Or screw them both and figure out your own path?
Reirainsong I would play that :D
The character raping of TIM in ME3 was as bad as the character raping of Stannis Baratheon was in Game of Thrones' Season 5.
Even if TIM was in on a plan to take control of the Reapers, then the best thing for him to do would be to HELP the other species and the Alliance. Help them fight the Reapers and distract the Reapers-that would buy Cerberus TIME so they can figure out how to control the Reapers. Have it so that controlling the Reapers is a secret agenda for Cerberus while their public agenda is helping humans fight the Reapers. Have them fight alongside the Krogans and Shepard on Tuchanka so they can confiscate the dead Reaper after Kalros fucks it over, so they can study it and figure out how the Reaper works and how to control it. Pull out its robot brain and try to figure out how to make it dance in Cerberus' tune. They can also fight alongside Shepard and the Quarians against the Reaper on Rannoch, then confiscate that Reaper too and figure out how it was able to control the Geth, then find a way how to replicate that with the Reapers themselves. If they work with the other races, they'd be able to retrieve samples from battlefields against the Reapers and figure out how Reaper indoctrination works, then come up with a plan to use that on the Reapers. Whether or not Cerberus succeeds or this just blows up in their face is irrelevant: they should know that by sabotaging the enemies of the Reapers they'd actually be lessening the amount of time they have in figuring out how to control the Reapers. We can even make this into a gaming mechanic where Cerberus asks Shepard to help retrieve Reaper samples for the reason of better understanding the Reapers and how to fight them. If Shepard retrieves enough samples for Cerberus, then Cerberus does get close to this goal and it could be a possibility that they show up near the ending offering you a viable way to take control of the Reapers.
If the game-makers and players want Cerberus enemies, they can just have captured or Indoctrinated Cerberus units be enemies here and there, in both campaign and multiplayer. (They can use that same excuse to have Krogans, Turians, Asari, and other races as enemies that can be featured in Multiplayer and in the campaign) The players can have a useful squad of Cerberus troops to fight alongside in some levels, then have indoctrinated Cerberus troops pin them down in other missions. This would actually hammer home the effect of indoctrination: useful allies who would save your ass one minute would be trying to kill you in the next. I can envision a Cerberus Phantom saving Shepard in a fight against Reapers, then being partnered with Shepard and teaching him/her how to fight like a Phantom, then getting captured and indoctrinated by the Reapers, so she can be set loose against Shepard, forcing Shepard to kill her. That would actually cause some good drama about the whole "indoctrination" thing-being forced to kill allies just because the Reapers got to them.
We can even have a splinter group of Cerberus that split away because they're angry that TIM works with aliens, or they got intrigued because the Reapers offered them power, or perhaps have them be both. Have them be led by a clone of Shepard like the one from the Citadel DLC so that you have a personal nemesis with a human element to go along with the campaign, similar as to how Saren was in ME1. This splinter group then takes in corrupted soldiers and mercenaries from other species and groups, and we could have them grow in power as the story progresses, to the point where they become the tip of the spear amongst the Reaper forces. As Shepard's star rises, so too would this enemy also rise in power, and that could create even more drama and excitement. They'll be sending in corrupted Cerberus agents, Krogan Battlemasters, Turian Spectres, Asari Commandos, Drell Assassins, and whatever kind of super-units they can muster, all augmented by Reaper technology, to stop you in your tracks. Those could make for some interesting battles now, wouldn't it?
Hell, we can even turn some of the more wacky episodes ME3 had into some intense dramatic episodes. Have it so that a Cerberus unit, along with other Allied alien and human units, hold out on Eden Prime against overwhelming Reaper forces so that you can rescue the one Prothean left alive. Change the Quarian episode so that the Quarians are working (begrudgingly) with the non-Heretic Geth to fight against the heretic Geth on Rannoch, whose numbers and power have been bolstered by Reaper forces. Have it so that the clone of Shepard, not Kai Leng, instigates the invasion of the Citadel. Have it so that the Omega DLC is about defending Omega and its massive element zero stores while resolving the tensions between the Cerberus garrison and Aria's forces. Have Sanctuary be the level where Cerberus' plans to control the Reapers be laid bare. Have the Leviathan show up as a plot point in the main story and a weapon. Have the Quarian/Geth fleet show up to help save the Asari during the invasion of Thessia. Have a level in the Citadel where you help evacuate people as the Reapers seize it. And so much more.
Shepard could also figure out TIM's plan to take control of the Reapers early if Shepard finds enough clues about it, following a bread-crumb trail of clues. Shepard can expose the plan to the Allies, prompting TIM to either stop it or go rogue, (depending on how persuasive Shepard is) or Shepard can either go along with it and keep it a secret, or even seize control of the project itself by blackmailing TIM to hand over all the data on controlling the Reapers so that über-renegade Shepard can do it himself/herself.
All of this was just so common-sense it boggles my mind why Bioware didn't do it.
Reirainsong The thing is is that The Illusive Man was already indoctrinated in both the second and third game. He was strong enough though that he could reason with himself on the motives of the indoctrination to justify his actions. If he was not indoctrinated he could have just as easily been the hero of the Shepard story the old man is telling his grandson at the end of the game.
I would take the illusive man over saren any day
Harbinger's dialogue during the running scene is just the bow on top.
Its even better if you finish the arrival DLC after the suicide mission.
Only to be dissapointed when in ME3 Harbinger doesn't even appear as villian
@@arbiteras well he does but dear God it's so brief most people don't even notice it's him.
Incase you didn't know, the reaper that shoots Shepard with the laser, was harbinger
3:11 I'm Commander Shepard, and this is (one of) my favorite speeches in the trilogy.
Illusive man: "don't let idealism blind you"
RenShep: "Dont let what blind me?"
The dying star in the Kronos station changes color if you are more renegade or paragon. That an insane detail
I didn't realize that the sun behind the illusive man changes from red to blue depending on how much renegade or paragon you have, and what ending neat
oh my god! I played though the game so many times and never noticed it! (i usually play paragon so that may be why) but still!
No that depends on the choice you make on the collector base
If you destroy the star it's blue,if you preserve it it will be red (here)
It's not the sun. It's another star
If you think about it, in the paragon ending the explosion is red/orange and the sun is blue, but in the renegade ending the explosion is blue and the sun is red/orange
Full Renegade but you have Samara instead of Morinth? I declare shenanigans.
Renegade doesn't mean evil. Betraying samara is not renegade she is sworn by her oath to fight and die for you morinth is crazy
Dude it probably was Morinth if you recruit she looks and sounds exactly like samara cause she pretends to be her
@@rileymillertaplin8121 nope it was actually Samara, at the beginning of the video his partners were Jack and Samara.
Choosing Morinth is unwise. She becomes a Banshee in ME3.
Renegade=/ Evil. You can still get the optimal endings in ME2 and ME 3 as a Renegade if you avoid being asshole for the sake of being one [Killing Wrex in ME 1?, not curing Genophage, letting Samara of herself, killing her daughter etc].
Its about getting the job done. Not killing off your crew cold blood and making non sensical strategic decisions [The Dalatrass. Really?]
Jesus, people. The title of the video says "Ultimate Renegade". That means choosing all the Renegade options.
Why would you trust a guy with glowing blue eyes like sarens
Bro, nice catch, why is nobody commenting on that ??
They glow like that for the same reason
Because it's Martin Sheen
Night Owl I always just assumed that the illusive man had some sort of special futuristic eye upgrades. Like they were done by human scientists not reapers.
Nah, he was just hit with a Reaper artefact. The same that indoctrinated Saren's brother, and forced Saren to kill him (that's why Saren hated the humans so much).
Illusive Man knew about Reapers threat long before even Shepard or Saren did. And they fucked him up in ME3 so bad, that he became a lame James Bond villain.
You'd think that Cerberus wouldn't be as much of an enemy in ME3 after this ending... Then again, looking for logic in ME3 is like looking for a Reaper needle in a dark space haystack.
it would, the illusive man's smirk at the end says everything
sdfefde What I mean is that I doubt Cerberus would just attack you on sight, they parted ways in a pretty neutral way here.
***** still the illusive man had evil in him, and i'm replaying the series got up to the second game, it really adds up not bad at all
because it was planned everything from beginning, as a triology
all the paragon choices you make are against cerberus and illusive man in me2
so it was always like this, canon, not like they screwed up the story in a sudden turn
sdfefde When you make all paragon choices sure, but what about the renegade side of things? In my renegade play through I all but joined Cerberus. I was always at the very least decent with TIM and followed his instructions. The only time I kinda mouthed off to him was at the end when he was like "Don't get greedy" and that's it. After that, he shouldn't be trying to kill you on sight in ME3.
***** that would mean to create multiple storylines for each possibility, rewriting each route, imagine the budget and work needed
whatever is canon in a game is self sustaining
that which is the paragon route in mass effect
the possibility of going renegade is aside what the game is intended
That entrance of the Reapers' to the Milky Way at last second. God, it still sends chills down my spine after all these years.
07:29 That look on the face doesn't make me sure to save the collector base for Mass Effect 3
Raresh Muntean i see what you mean
Raresh Muntean Agree, fuck TIM.
I like it as a "to be continued" moment
Am I the only one who thinks there should have been a way to join Cerberus after this ending so that you would fight for them in ME3?
I think there could have been an option to be able to eventually kill the illusive man early on in three and gain them as a war asset, but then that would ruin his entire role.
So fight for the Reapers?
Makro Cerberus never fought for the Reapers. They were looking fo the way of controling Reapers. "If we can control it, why shouldn't it be ours?" (© - Illusive Man). Reapers have all knowledge of all civilizations of all cycles. They are immortal. They are REALLY powerful. They can give humanity anything. New technologies. New resources. New life. Destroying them means loosing all of their advantages. Playing for Cerberus means playing for humanity. But in the end Illusive Man's experiment failed, that's why he became a Reapers' puppet and died before the ending. I think it's not correct idea of scenario. How could that clever, well-informed and rich Illusive Man from ME2 make such a silly mistake? No way.
P.S. I'm from Russia(hey, stop calling me comrade!) and my English is just terrible. I'm sorry for mistakes.
Александр Корейко COMRADE. Another shot of vodka?
Александр Корейко No the reapers were allowing that thought so they wouldn't realise they are being indoctrinated. Really they would not be able to ever make the choice to control the reapers.. It's specifically mentioned in the final conflict with the Illusive Man when you say to him 'do it then, control the reapers' but he hesitates and he says he can't do it. The reapers were always in control of cerberus. Then they make The Illusive Man implant his men with reaper tech and they basically become husks with the ability to shoot. The Illusive Man then had implants and that brought him fully over the the reapers side.
wow every time i listen to the Mass Effect soundtrack i have chills
Jap ME 2 had some of the best tracks in the series ...goosebumps ftw
The problem with being a gamer is wanting to replay games like these, but having too many other games to play first.
I got a playlist going... I started with Kerbal Space Program (career mode), then a full game of Stellaris, then Mass Effect trilogy, then Halo 1-3 and reach. I'll probably throw some Rocket League or Battlefield in here and there to go with it.
Also, I just realized this is a 3 year old comment. Wazzup?
@@Shmozone 2 year old comment what's good
@@dangredux2003 yo yo
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Finished 10-20 times playing again and again in these times good old times
"Always willing to do whatever it takes to get the job done." Illusive Man
if you listen closely to the Collector General when Harbinger releases control, it sounds like it's asking 'why?'
I could kind of hear it from what his body language indicates he feels abandoned.
Stop I'm going to cry
If I had a choice I would have sided with Cerberus in ME3
Preußischer Soldat Then you would have sided with the Reapers. By the time ME3 started all of Cerberus was already indoctrinated.
Tiberiu Marian
Not all, but those who stuck around certainly were.
OtomostheCrazy exactly if this person sided with Cerberus he would have stuck with them
Any one else notice the color of the sun behind the illusive man changes if your renegade (red) or paragon (blue)
skyler Scott yeah i've never played renegade so i've never seen it before. it's pretty awesome though and a nice attention to detail.
I had to give the base to cerberus because I wanted the red sun. It should have been the color of your renegade score and not the color of one decision.
Open the Gates i played the full game renagade and had max renagade score but i got a blue sun cause i blew up the base, thats stupid
Thats a star not the sun
The Unknown wtf xD Suns ARE stars, go back to elementar school
lol all theam back on ship and yet the one that comes out to cover is jokers the worst fighter LOL
Exia2004 hahahaha never thought about it
Not to mention he's the pilot, the one who can fly the ship out of there.
8:41: Okay boys. We have an organic infestation in our galaxy. Lets go clean house...
AAAAND Saving thd Base meant litterally nothing but a small percent chance of winning in ME3.
They built it up in ME2 like they were gunna fuck shit up... then they fucked up ME3.
Sad Shepard is Sad
+Tenchigo btw could you explain what saving of collector base actually do in ME3?
***** amazing :\
Don't they affect the endings when you have very low EMS? Like...you save the base you only get control ending but if you destroyed it you get the worst destroy ending which is worse then letting the Reapers finish this cycle?....
So I have to be pretty shit to see the effort I did in ME2?
ValentinE destroy is the best ending, its the only one you can survive and assures that the reapers are dead
TIM has a serious drinking problem
First time I played this game I had no idea about the weak spot on his chest and was shooting at his eyes. It accomplishes the same thing but with smaller targets. I felt kinda stupid the 2nd time around lol.
"You get selfish, you start dreaming about power - we've all paid the price."
That was simply perfect. Thank you.
If the option to side with Cerberus was available in ME 3 I can't say I wouldn't be tempted. TIM is such an awesome character.
NO We Don't think so, All John the Illusive Man will ever be remembered as is the Freaking anti Alien Genocidal Terrorist Monster we hate that used some of his own humans as lab rats, no wonder his eyes look something like robotic, it's because sometime ago he got indoctrinated, but he didn't completely work for the Reapers, he was able to control his actions, his mind is his own for now... like Saren, but how? Either way he wasn't doing this to make Everyone Survival, only humans survival, since he's an Alien hater racist Genocidal bastard.
When it comes to Jack, Jacob, Miranda they Are Absolute WORST COMPANIONS in the Whole Trilogy Ever that Deserve to Die, then John the Illusive Man is next, ( A Twitch streamer said his real name is John)
Miranda said She wanted to Put a Control chip in the Commander to make the Commander a slave, but she didn't not cuz of the Commander's good looks, attitude, nor plans But only because the Illusive Man ordered her NOT to, she's An obdient dog, They hooked Up Shepard to their Life Support machine spent 2 Years to Rebuilt the Broken Bones, Mangled Skin, and fix some Damaged Organs.
For each Gamers that care about Shepard's great reputation along with not wasting precious time nor resources, do yourselves a favor, don't bother doing Jacob's Loyalty Missions, along with Don't do Miranda's Loyalty Missions, they are Absolute WORST COMPANIONS That are not much if any Help in M.E. 3
Another advice For those that Very Much care for Shepard's great reputation Don't bother helping Liara on hacking stupid terminals, along with don't help her small stupid vendetta on S.B. DLC Mission (Shadow Broker), we totally want the S.B. killed, but don't have time, so let Liara do it herself, she has committed mutiny. For that she is suspended from the battleship for unnecessary force ABSOLUTELY UNNECESSARY FORCE.
But don't worry she is still a romancable option, just not an ally worth helping in M.E.2, she's even lucky to still be a Ally, she's lucky didn't commit Unforgivable Mutiny otherwise she would deserve to die in M.E.3, but she doesn't, so far she just deserve Shepard's help, she's certainly not much if any Help in M.E.2
She can save her drell Feron, but is she doesn't, she fails, that's her mistake she deserves, she still gets the S.B. Killed.
Finally Another advice For those that Trully care for Shepard's great reputation just because Cerberus fixed Shepard's bones, organs when on Comatosed life support, making sure the Commander Survives from injuries, doesn't mean we're friends with Cerberus at ALL, not even Friends with Jacob, Miranda, not even Kelly, they work for Us Alliance soldier, also Council Soldier, we don't owe Cerberus Shit, not even that Stupid Collectors base, if the Alliance can't have it, Cerberus won't have it either.
Cerberus might have saved Comatosed Brutalized Shepard from Death, but that Bitch Miranda tried to put a control chip to make the Commander a slave, but only reason she didn't was not because of Shepard's good looks, reputation, nor actions, only cuz Illusive Man ordered her NOT to.
Other than Jack, and Jacob as worst Romance Options, Miranda is The Worst Romance Option as Well, When it comes to Jack, Jacob, and Miranda, We hold no regrets of killing, THEY DESERVE TO TO DIIIIIIIIEEEEEE.
Those 3 Are the Only Worse Companions, even Grunt is better than them. If Jack survives ME 2, then managed to save the Academy, when romanced she goes to either gender Shepard punches the commander says That's for leaving dumbass, not romanced, still punches says I told you not to trust Cerberus, don't upgrade heavy ship armor she dies first in final mission.
Jacob betrayed the Alliance cuz of his stupid impatience of the rules to join terrorist orginaztion, he's not much help if any help in ME3, Jacob's destiny is to promise you a beer that he'll never buy you and his most earnest wish is to give up a life of space adventure and start a family, don't do his loyalty mission then he dies.
Miranda has done Many Dishonorable Things during her journey in this War, she has Done many Unforgetful UNFORGIVIBLE SINFUL CRIMES That can Never go Unpunished. I'M A CHRISTIAN I KNOW UNFORGIVIBLE SINFUL CRIMES WHEN HEARING THEM. THE THREE OF THEM HAVE ALL DONE MANY DISHONORABLE UNFORGIVIBLE SINFUL CRIMES THAT CAN NEVER GON UNPUNISHED.
Miranda she won't admit what Cerberus did to Jack, and other people was Wrong, doesn't tell the whole story when Cerberus attack Quarians. She's a Blood Thirsty Facist Pig Cerberus Cheerleader Bosh'tet Bitch, she doesn't care the Reapers have come, she just cares about looking for her sister, she barely even sees her sister, nothing she does redeems herself, so don't do her Loyalty mission, her life has been a waste, but her death will be a gift to the Universe, she don't deserve to be with her sister, hope Orianna remembers her, take Unloyal Bitch Miranda to fight New Giant Human Hybrid Prototype Reaper and when destroyed, the Platforms falls, they fall to the ground, debris fall on Miranda painfully killing her, then Gets Miranda BITCH KILLED
In this particular ending, Shepard seemed to part with the Illusive Man on at least neutral terms. It would be odd in 3, considering TIM's attempts to kill even if you spared the base.
Exactly. I always destroy the Collector base, but once I spared it and TIM's attitude towards Shepard was exactly the same. So, fuck that asshole, I just destroy the base because TIM doesn't give a rat's ass about human lives, he only cares about supremacy.
EA: "Bioware, Mass Effect Legendary Edition is a half-assed cash grab, and we have you to thank for our deliverance."
Bioware: "We did the right thing."
EA: "Always willing to do whatever makes money. Well, it has payed off. Adapting out Miranda's ass and then selling it as a separate DLC could be biggest achievement in the gaming industry, since the discovery of the ONE DAY DLC. It will secure our dominance in the gaming industry, against the gamers and beyond."
“Don’t forget, Shepard is returning. You get greedy and let Money get in the way of a quality story, we’ll all pay the price. We’re bringing Shep back to redeem the franchise and give it a proper send off. And that’s what we intend to do.”
I love that silent evil smile from the I-man after he finishes talking with Shephard; the artists portrayed that expression very well.
Seeing the reapers come out of darkspace still gives me chills.
whenever i see the final scene with the impending arrival of harbringer and the other reapers i never fail to say "oh shit"
I find 4:48 so sad. Harbinger releases the Collector Leader and he is left in confusion, looks around his old ship and sees the shape its in, looks back in dissapointment just to see his death coming. The Reapers didn't get rid of the Protheans memories, or their emotions. This is what would've happened to Saren if he wasn't stopped in ME1. That was the coldest thing in all of ME2. Well Done Bioware.
This might possibly the greatest ending in video game history. It sure was for me. The music, the dialogue, the graphics, etc. Everything was perfect. The most satisfying ending I've ever had.
After all these years I still get fucking hyped when the chorus kicks in at the shot of the Normandy running full speed away from the exploding base.
See at the end when harbinger releases control. The collector almost looks like he was him self again and was i dont happy its finally over.
I'm crying omg
I expected more from TIM in ME3, that's for sure: not to be Saren v2.0. Like more people wrote before, it would be much better if there was option to fight the Reapers as Cerberus, in which terrible things would be involved, like murdering good people for TIM's galaxy schemes. That you would be forced to eliminate, let's say, Admiral Hackett or Liara's dad.
FalconRS
OR ELIMINATE LUARA
now that would of been SWEET!
This ending always gets me the chills. You start thinking about what the Illusive Man is capable of doing with that collector base. The real treat is when the camera points at Harbinger and his army closing in the galaxy with the epic music. It still gives me the chills and this is the best ending I'll never get over, even after playing Mass Effect 3.
This is EPIC!
2:52 gotta say that's a nice helmet
Even if TIM was in on a plan to take control of the Reapers, then the best thing for him to do would be to HELP the other species and the Alliance. Help them fight the Reapers and distract the Reapers-that would buy Cerberus TIME so they can figure out how to control the Reapers. Have it so that controlling the Reapers is a secret agenda for Cerberus while their public agenda is helping humans fight the Reapers. Have them fight alongside the Krogans and Shepard on Tuchanka so they can confiscate the dead Reaper after Kalros fucks it over, so they can study it and figure out how the Reaper works and how to control it. Pull out its robot brain and try to figure out how to make it dance in Cerberus' tune. They can also fight alongside Shepard and the Quarians against the Reaper on Rannoch, then confiscate that Reaper too and figure out how it was able to control the Geth, then find a way how to replicate that with the Reapers themselves. If they work with the other races, they'd be able to retrieve samples from battlefields against the Reapers and figure out how Reaper indoctrination works, then come up with a plan to use that on the Reapers. Whether or not Cerberus succeeds or this just blows up in their face is irrelevant: they should know that by sabotaging the enemies of the Reapers they'd actually be lessening the amount of time they have in figuring out how to control the Reapers. We can even make this into a gaming mechanic where Cerberus asks Shepard to help retrieve Reaper samples for the reason of better understanding the Reapers and how to fight them. If Shepard retrieves enough samples for Cerberus, then Cerberus does get close to this goal and it could be a possibility that they show up near the ending offering you a viable way to take control of the Reapers.
If the game-makers and players want Cerberus enemies, they can just have captured or Indoctrinated Cerberus units be enemies here and there, in both campaign and multiplayer. (They can use that same excuse to have Krogans, Turians, Asari, and other races as enemies that can be featured in Multiplayer and in the campaign) The players can have a useful squad of Cerberus troops to fight alongside in some levels, then have indoctrinated Cerberus troops pin them down in other missions. This would actually hammer home the effect of indoctrination: useful allies who would save your ass one minute would be trying to kill you in the next. I can envision a Cerberus Phantom saving Shepard in a fight against Reapers, then being partnered with Shepard and teaching him/her how to fight like a Phantom, then getting captured and indoctrinated by the Reapers, so she can be set loose against Shepard, forcing Shepard to kill her. That would actually cause some good drama about the whole "indoctrination" thing-being forced to kill allies just because the Reapers got to them.
We can even have a splinter group of Cerberus that split away because they're angry that TIM works with aliens, or they got intrigued because the Reapers offered them power, or perhaps have them be both. Have them be led by a clone of Shepard like the one from the Citadel DLC so that you have a personal nemesis with a human element to go along with the campaign, similar as to how Saren was in ME1. This splinter group then takes in corrupted soldiers and mercenaries from other species and groups, and we could have them grow in power as the story progresses, to the point where they become the tip of the spear amongst the Reaper forces. As Shepard's star rises, so too would this enemy also rise in power, and that could create even more drama and excitement. They'll be sending in corrupted Cerberus agents, Krogan Battlemasters, Turian Spectres, Asari Commandos, Drell Assassins, and whatever kind of super-units they can muster, all augmented by Reaper technology, to stop you in your tracks. Those could make for some interesting battles now, wouldn't it?
Hell, we can even turn some of the more wacky episodes ME3 had into some intense dramatic episodes. Have it so that a Cerberus unit, along with other Allied alien and human units, hold out on Eden Prime against overwhelming Reaper forces so that you can rescue the one Prothean left alive. Change the Quarian episode so that the Quarians are working (begrudgingly) with the non-Heretic Geth to fight against the heretic Geth on Rannoch, whose numbers and power have been bolstered by Reaper forces. Have it so that the clone of Shepard, not Kai Leng, instigates the invasion of the Citadel. Have it so that the Omega DLC is about defending Omega and its massive element zero stores while resolving the tensions between the Cerberus garrison and Aria's forces. Have Sanctuary be the level where Cerberus' plans to control the Reapers be laid bare. Have the Leviathan show up as a plot point in the main story and a weapon. Have the Quarian/Geth fleet show up to help save the Asari during the invasion of Thessia. Have a level in the Citadel where you help evacuate people as the Reapers seize it. And so much more.
Shepard could also figure out TIM's plan to take control of the Reapers early if Shepard finds enough clues about it, following a bread-crumb trail of clues. Shepard can expose the plan to the Allies, prompting TIM to either stop it or go rogue, (depending on how persuasive Shepard is) or Shepard can either go along with it and keep it a secret, or even seize control of the project itself by blackmailing TIM to hand over all the data on controlling the Reapers so that über-renegade Shepard can do it himself/herself.
All of this was just so common-sense it boggles my mind why Bioware didn't do it.
Abdul Hanan
Thanks..........
+HolyknightVader999 TIM was under reaper control...
Shrek
And that's the worst plot point of all. TIM studied indoctrination and its effects on the human mind. He should be at least the most resistant to it, considering he spent a lot of money and time experimenting with it.
HolyknightVader999
DON'T PRESUME TO JUDGE THE ILLUSIVE MAN OR HIS METHODS.
GunRecon 11
I will judge him as I see fit.
whoa that was awesome
Renegade for life. But the satisfaction from blowing up the base and how pissed TIM gets is worth a dash of paragon blue
I played the entire game, mass effect 2, as paragon but here in final I choose this path for reasons.
What would I gain if I just destroy that space station I am ignoring myself.
I yell right and left that "reapers incoming !" but here noo, destroy the only way for the moment to learn something about enemy.
It doesn't make sense to simply destroy it.
And I know that cerberus get all that info, but even if I leave cerberus and they don't give Intel, I let them study it, the technology, and after if they don't cooperate I raid them for info. Simple.
It's easy if you think about it.
And with that I pay all my debts to illusive man for reviving Shepard back to life and for Normandy SR2.
I/Shepard always pay my/his debts.
Umega Alfa I destroyed the base because I knew reapers could indoctrinate others. And it’s way easier if you are at something they built in a place never touched by before by other species in your galaxy. So I took the safe route and destroyed the base.
Also it was to piss off the illusive man at the end. His response to me destroying the base showed his true colors
Shepard's "neutral" response says it best: "You're completely ruthless. Next thing I know you're going to want to grow your own Reaper."
And then TIM does not deny it.
Plainly stated: collector base full of reaper technology. No question about it: that technology is aboard that ship. Pretty much obvious too, because some of it you just had fought. I mean, you had to kill off a pretty massive piece of living reaper technology before the option to spare the option was given. That it was dead makes no difference: inanimate reaper technology can and DOES indoctrinate individuals. So do dead reapers (we got a quite nice chance to learn about that aboard a dead reaper too a couple missions before, just in case). Like the one you just killed, for instance (larva or not).
So...sparing that collector base?. No fucking way. You don't f*ck that sh*t up, you're just asking for anyone who goes in there to be indoctrinated. And we get a good chance to know exactly what indoctrination does to influential people, right?. I mean...does ANYONE who spared that base in ME2 remember a certain guy called Saren?...
and even if they don't...I mean we got a whole trip in and out of a reaper dead for millions of years and that STILL was indoctrinating those who were around, to get a clear picture of what happens when reaper tech is casually left around for people to play and "investigate it"... didn't that sink in either?.
So yeah, leave that base in one piece: guess who'll be one of the first individuals taking a first look at it?. Got it right. The same dude who wants it so bad. No way I was letting that blasted place intact, MUCH LESS in the hands of Cerberus. An organization with already pretty serious moral issues on itself and access to the kind of resources Cerberus has... who in the whole universe would want to pave the way for Cerberus to be controlled by someone indoctrinated by the Reapers?. Specially someone as cunning, resourceful and intelligent as the Illusive Man, you don't want THAT dude to, on top of it, being indoctrinated by the very same threat you're trying to fight off. I mean, COME ON, it's just barebones common sense here?.
That base had to go, and go in a big BANG... not only the sensible option - the only one INTELLIGENT one to take.
Not that it mattered for shits in ME3, but that's a whole bloody different issue and topic XD.
Mass Effect: Discover an ancient threat is returning.
Mass Effect 2: Tripple A filler.
Mass Effect 3: Oh shit gotta invent a deus ex machina to resolve the threat.
Bioware:
ME: Discover an ancient threat is returning.
ME2: We just made some of the most epic stuff gaming has ever seen, and have already laid the proper frame to explain in ME3 what the reapers are, why they come each 50k years, and to set up an epic war against th.......OHSHIT EA owns our butts now... FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUU
ME3: HEY EA!!! JUST A COUPLE FUCKING YEARS OF RUSHED DEVELOPMENT TO RELEASE THIS GAME IS NOT FUCKING ANYWHERE CLOSE ENOUGH TO MAKE A GAME OUT THE STORY WE WANTED TO TELL SINCE WE DID THE FIRST MASS EFFECT????????
EA:
"we bought you, you do as you're told: finish that game by 2012 in any way you can, even if you have to come up with a stupid set of explanations and royally fuck the story up to the point it makes no fucking sense, because as we spent moneis on u, now we demand to milk the cow ASAP. So fuck the story you wanted to tell, we don't care about that shit, we only care about moneis, so now you better make us the moneis we want. Release the goddamned thing when we tell u to, or there'll be trouble".
Bioware:
"....fuck"
PS: No, ME2 is not "filler". It lays the foundations of what'd been the true reason behind the existance of the Reapers: dark energy creation out of control due to the massed use of the mass relays putting the whole galaxy and it's inhabitants at risk, the Reapers being the means to "bring back the balance" each 50k years to keep life from destroying itself "cleaning house" with the advanced civilizations so Dark Energy doesn't go out of control, thus giving the chance to the younger, still primitive races to flourish and live.
Furthermore: it's a spectacular story that introduces a shitload of extremely well written, well fleshed out, new characters for you to care about them in ME3, without which ME3 would never be any good, something impossible to do without, essentially, giving them a full game for themselves.
It's true that ME2 doesn't "advance the reaper plot" too much. Or rather: even while it does in many, yet subtle ways (think why Tali was where she was when you rescued her in her recruiting mission? for instance), it doesn't do it openly so you might think that it does little to furthen the plot that way (even while if it does).
But what ME2 mostly does is advancing and furthering the lore A LOT from what we saw and learned in ME, laying the framework of what would come next: setup, characters, lore... the whole setup, that obviously needed a lot of time to get introduced in the storyline, was introduced. And everything was ready for making something truly epic out of ME3.
Then EA came and ... you know the rest. Hardly Bioware's fault...
5:05
Explosion so epic it causes the screen to tear.
The explosion in the paragon is way more satisfying
Was it just me or was fighting the human reaper terrifying
Not just you. To me, the whole suicide mission was terrifying and it caused extreme anxiety for me trying to keep all of them them alive, especially when I got Tali to work on the vents and she's being burned alive.
Meanwhile in 2017
LETS MAKE EVERYONE SPEND 60$ FOR A 2-HOUR CAMPAIGN!
THEN, ANOTHER 40$ FOR ANOTHER HALF HOUR!
What game are you talking about? 2017 was a good year for games (RE7, Outlast 2, Horizon: Zero Dawn and more).
"You have failed, release the control" That poor collector's expression really got to me.
wow thanks mate.
My most favourite game ever.
Finished this game for the first time last night. WOW! What an amazing game. Can’t believe I never played it on Xbox 360.
I could hum that final theme song all day. Damn good finale.
the best thing about the illusive man is the view he has. damn no wonder he doesnt leave his place or where ever he is
Epic how you killed it right as harbinger says "I am unstoppable"
It's amazing that between this game and 3 that Mass Effect 2 has the far more satisfying conclusion.
get it straight illusive man, you work for me.
@jjyurful Regular armor with custom parts: Head: Death Mask. Body: Shield Harness. Shoulders: Amplifier Plates. Arms: Stabilization Gauntlets. Legs: Ordinance Packs. Tint 1: Black. Tint 2: Grey (apparently) Patern 2 Patern Colour: red.
Now this is a Mass Effect ending that makes sense, wraps up the story tightly and doesnt leave you wonder wtf just happened here.
Ah....the good old days xP *cane shake*
@vocalistofthe4rum TIM has been in contact with an Reaper device during the First Contact War. It altered his eyes and didn't directly indoctrinate/change him, albeit it isn't known yet if it will have during the events of ME3.
@Darthbean100 It's a dying star, and it changes based on how high your renegade and paragon scores are. If you are the ultimate paragon, it'll be blue, ultimate renegade is red, and you can get it somewhere in the middle if you have even scores.
@ChStapeler Correction: the Tint 1 (main armor color) is dark red.
The eyes are the result of indirect contact with the Arca Monolith, in Evolution you can see the familiar glow in certain frames. I could never remember it stating he went blind or anything, just simply that his eyes took on the appearance following the incident.
in me1 one of the planet desriptions mentions beings of light sworn to protect organic life (starchild), and that they've always been. This makes it possible that in the beginning of time they created the reapers (always been) to stop self extinction.
I always thought keeping the base intact was for the best. I thought it made perfect sense to keep the base and use the enemies resources against them, just like with the particle beam.
I couldn't get enough of Mass Effect 2 so I had to watch TH-cam videos of it. There just wasn't enough videos on TH-cam to satisfy that either so I had to like and comment every one of them.
@xBinskix Harbinger released control in time. The 'sad eyes' is because the former Prothean realises the Reapers transformed him and his species only to use them as tools and leave them to die if something goes wrong...
@spidergreen12 1. Get the three main ship attachments (Thanx Cannon, Multicore shielding, and Heavy ship armor) 2. Gain EVERYONES loyalty. 3. Don't do the Reaper IFF mission until you do EVERYONES loyalty mission. 4. Then do Legions mission right after the IFF mission. 5. Pick the right people for the jobs in the collector base; Tech expert (Tali, Katsumi, Legion) Squad leader for both times (Miranda, Garrus, Jacob) Escort for Crew (Mordin) Biotic expert (Samara, Jack) and for your final squad..
@MrSlacker333 when you do the collector's vessel mission and find the find the collector on the experimentation table EDI says that the collectors DNA resembles the prothean's DNA though their are alteration it's probable that the reapers tried to turn the protheans into a reaper but failed (EDI says it) and then shepard either says (depends on dialogue choice) that you are actually doing them a favor by killing them or tht it's better to die than become what the protheans have become.
@commanderzac nope he mentions breaking his thumb on the mute button to shut edi up on one interaction. that and shepard hurts him pulling him out of the pilots seat at the beginning of the game. brittle bone will affect all his bones but his legs will be weaker,
Its sad at 4:43. When the explosion knocks him up against the console, his little arms or claws are shaking trying to hold itself up.
@ShadowRogue100 The collector general is under control of Harbinger who also assumes control of collector soldiers
Blimmey even after all these years. I still love this gamee. Best bit for me is the unique renegade option i feel i got and cant find anywhere on youtube. With illusive man just before this fight.... im not about to sacrifice humaities souls the destrots the repear
by the god, this music... i dont know what to say. epic.
The Illusive Man , maybe my favorite video game character ever.
@lozg1985 plus its said that Cerberus helped Joker with the top notch medical care, and said that he can walk without crutches and stuff.
One could assume that Shepard was simply grateful that Illusive Man brought Shepard back to life, and for an honorable goal (at that time, to bring down the collectors and find out why they are taking humans).
@pakilord The Engineer seems to be more focused on debuffing and distracting enemies. Honestly, only the higher difficulties really bother giving enemies much shielding, so its pretty situational.
Also, Sentinel is a mix of Engineer and Adept.
@8872Sunny Paragon: Spacer, War Hero
Renegade: Earthborn, Ruthless
Colonist gives small bonuses to each, but less so than Earthborn and Spacer.
Your shepard actually looks legit. First youtube shep ive seen like that.
Hmmm. I remember that at about 7:27 when a hologram of the base showed up, The Illusive Men clicked a few buttons on the console and you could see some ships closing in on the Collector Base. But I don't see this short scene here.
Pity how true that "You've changed nothing" part is..
On my first playthrough, I gave the base to Cerberus, but for some reason I regreted it the minute after I made the choice
@TheJackattack54 No, not doing the loyalty mission where you could've recruited Morinth at all is TRULY Renegade.
@TheSoviettank the star that the illusive man is in front of changes depending on if shepard is paragon or renegade
Thanks to you good sir
The Illusive Man just has so much damn SWAG!!!
If your EFS is really low (ie, you're in line for the worst ending), the choice at the end is made for you depending on if you destroyed the Collector Base or not.
You can have all team members loyal, but unless samara is used to provide the protective barrier when they infiltrate the hive, one member gets flown off by the swarm and killed.
I love the Illusive Man, best goddamn defender of the humanity!
ive but so many hours in to this game never once noticed the sun changed due to paragon renegade...
Also how the f did cerberus get through the omega 4 relay? they need a Reaper IFF
so how did they get through? O___O
Funny how you can get different colours depending on renegade or paragon actions for this game to. Have a look :)
The Illusive Man was not indoctrinated during Mass Effect 2. It started sometime between the second and third games, when he brought on that human Reaper aboard his facility and started putting Reaper implants into his body.
He was always curious about them and interested, but not indoctrinated. Just someone that liked to play with fire.
@chargersphinx Its not your fault. There was the option to change weapons at the beginning and Samara's name was there. I didn't pay close enough attention.
technically the endings of one and two were also choose an option ones. id just like them to have shown more detail of events after the reapers destruction
@Jarekx2007 Only the core of the reaper looks like the species they "reproduced" from, the outside form is made to fit the Reaper's purpose.
well done indeed