I have since discovered that the Hornby Select has been updated to allow all CVs to be altered and any Select ( however old) can be updated by Hornby for a small fee + pp. You would need to contact them to arrange this. Although Hornby I understand have currently workshop restrictions in place following Govt guidelines on COVID 19, they will be able to do this shortly I’m sure. My Select has old firmware and the information is for those who either choose not to upgrade or who are unable to for whatever reason. The info was not intended to mislead nor discourage use of the Select (it is a great starter controller, I did buy one!). Someone does not need to replace the controller with a more expensive one if you chose to sent it in for upgrade. Apologies for any misrepresentation and misunderstanding
Roger Clark Aahhh you are very kind. There are many videos out there and sadly many have left me thinking ‘what in the name of sanity.... was THAT?’ Lol
@@piccadillymodelrailways Hi John Im operating oo gauge with help of JMRI in 2 sheds and outside with CCTV also a big help of a close friend with electrics . Keep Safe mate
Hi John, thank you for this entry level tutorial into CV values and what they do. Very useful and has helped to demystify the dark art somewhat! In this respect I am still in Reception I think! Sometimes you can feel like the kid in the class afraid to put their hand up to admit they don't understand what's going on! More please of this type of thing!
Thank you Karl that’s so kind of you to say. Ive found literally hundreds of people in the same boat, so pleased to help. If you have any suggestions for the basics series please say. There will be one on installing lighting in coaches and another on street / platform lighting.
Hi John Thank you so much for your info on setting up cv's this has made things so much clearer for me. I do in particular like your examples of trying different values to see the effect.
Hi John. Very many thanks for your tutorials. I have just started DCC railway modelling (in my senior years) in n gauge and decided on this as my gauge of choice, due to space restrictions. You are gradually de-mystifying, from my perspective, a lot of areas that a beginner found puzzling or seemingly complicated. Thanks for keeping to the basics, it's been really useful. I now know which basic CV's do what. When I can upgrade my controller from the basic Bachmann Farish, I will have the confidence to have a bash at making the appropriate changes. I promise not to meddle in CV29 when the time comes. Just as an aside, I recently bought the Farish Midland Pullman Blue Train, a few having been, or so it looks, to have been held back by Bachmann and then recently released to the market. What a beautiful model this is. The full scale train is one that I've long held a special affection for from the days when I used to see it at Manchester Central station as a boy. A bright blue train amongst the mainly black or dark green engines was mesmerising. Cheers
Bless you Geoff some lovely kind words there, thank you. I’m so glad you found it useful. If you would like me to cover something in the basics series please say and I’ll see what can be done. Yes I agree the blue Pullman is indeed a gorgeous train. I don’t have one as my layout is more current around Manchester Piccadilly, which I understand was formerly named as Manchester Central?
Hi John. Manchester Piccadilly was formerly London Road station and I vaguely remember London Road with the original Victorian/Edwardian facade before the current and previous modern incarnations. The train halls however have not changed a great deal other than a lick of paint, new lighting and up to date facilities. It's still a great station however. Manchester Central was the old Cheshire Lines station located a little outside the immediate city centre around the Lower Moseley street area. It was a single span roofed station, with a grand but simple frontage and it's own hotel, "The Midland" across the road, a very impressive place which still operates today. The old station that closed in 1969 is now an exhibition/events hall and conference centre and is currently being used as a Nightingale Hospital. I think that out of the four principal Manchester stations at that time it was my favourite. Some years ago, I spoke to someone who worked on the railways at Manchester Central and he told me that it was a "pig" to work because of the limited number of lines at the "throat" that came across a narrow viaduct. If one line went down the whole system collapsed. He said that was one of the reasons BR called it a day there when they restructured the Manchester services. The station was more or less abandoned for years but just before it was renovated myself and a couple of friends were having a good rummage around for old bits and bobs and taking photos for posterity . A construction worker came over to us and said we shouldn't be in the building (although it was still open at the time as a car park). When we explained what we were doing, he kindly took us into the bowels of the old station where the old turntables were for horse drawn goods wagons. He also showed us the original stonemasons figures/marks that were placed to denote who had done what on the arched brickwork. The marks were brilliantly carved, goats heads, sheeps heads, devils heads, bulls heads etc. Nice experience. If you fancy a look a the old station, Google Images or the Manchester Library local image collection have an array of pics. Sorry for the ramble. Cheers Geoff
Thank you. Please forgive Geoff I am slightly dyslexic and find reading long comments difficult. If it’s possible to keep them short I’d really appreciate that. Thank you
Great video John so thank you. Yes it is hard to take the teacher oit of us - my wife is always saying stop talking to me as a teacher. So good on you LOL Kevin.
Ha ha ha, ‘once a teacher...’ Someone asked me to do this video few weeks ago, just got round to it now. Turning out to be quite a hot potato. Thank you for your support and kind words
John what a fantastic video , i am a dc man and when i hear things about cv,s it steers me away from dcc but your video makes perfect sense to me thanks and i might dip my toes in dcc , Regards Dave
Hi John - now you've wetted my appetite for Blackwood to go over at some point to DCC. Well explained ( must the teacher in you lol) in terms of the CV's and what they do. Enjoyed that one John. Cheers Euan
Fantastic Euan, DCC is amazing, very expensive, but amazing. Getting down close to a full length HST at full speed is out of this world. The sound bring a whole new level to railway modelling. Z21 also makes it soooooo easy.
Great video John. I’m yet to try changing the addresses or any of the CV’s of my locos but after seeing this video, I think I’ll give it a try tomorrow. Cheers Neil
That’s great Neil, I’m so pleased you found it helpful. Think there is a lot of mystery attached to DCC and CV settings, but on the basic level it’s quite easy really.
All very interesting John. I will take a look at some of my locos with the older Gaugemaster and Bachman chips. Ive always been a bit wary of doing that so your video has really helped. I recently used the new Bachmann 8 point chip (which are Zimo chips) in my latest purchase( the A1) which has slower acceleration and deceleration built in with active braking (which first appeared with the Next 18 chip on the Castle). It really adds something to the driving of the loco (but not so much that I am going to change all the chips!). Stephen
Thank you Stephen I’m glad you found it useful. Do be aware not all chips respond in the same way, my gauge master chips, black ones simply rubbish, most burnt out, but have demoted any remaining to dummy car lighting duties lol. 8- point chip? Not heard of that, have few next 18 now. Please do spill what’s it like. On OO the 158 has a plux22, few extra functions
Hi John, absolutely invaluable video and very well taught for us “year one” students 😱😂😂😂 As a Z21 user this video is a little treasure so many thanks for making it 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 As an aside have you ever had Dapol (not imperium) or gaugemaster chips accept the start command and then blindly ignore all other communication until you pull them from the track 😤😤 For that reason I only use Zimo or Lenz chips, but maybe it was wrong CV’s all along 🤔 Once again very best regards from County Wicklow ☘️
Thank you I’m so pleased it was helped. Someone suggested it a few weeks ago, but not been able to do till now. I asked on FB if people would be interested, the overwhelming response was yes, so here it is. I don’t use gaugemaster chip any more as they seemed to be the cheapest of the cheap. Bought 10, 10 blew, every last one! Never again, and I couldn’t get refund on any, gaugemaster didn’t want to know, blaming me. Awful! The Imperium chips I’ve always found to be stunning if I’m honest and just tried my OO gauge 21 pin chip I have in the class 121, reset CV 2 no issues. Could be a faulty one? Can you read CV 2? Does it run well otherwise?
Hi John, the Imperiums work a treat, rather it is the 6 pin chips they install in their DCC ready to run models 😱 Good to know you had the same experience of Gaugemaster chips, Rails of Sheffield must be on commission to install them 😤😤 do never ask them to do a chip install for you 😉 Once again many thanks for such a valuable resource 🤩
Hi Chris, Glad it was useful, regarding Hornby Select please see my pinned comment in ‘comments’ save me typing it again. Sorry never had an Elite In afraid so I’m not able to help with that. To be honest Chris I would concentrate on getting trains up and running first. Track down, wired up fair few dropper wires from track to bus wire. Just get it working. Plenty of time for CVs.
Hi John, I have just been watching Allans latest video @ dragon junction and he mentioned that a loco went shooting of when he got a short and he had to reset his decoder, which got me thinking about your video on cv's If memory serves me, this is caused by cv 29's standard default to run on dc and dcc, and when the short occurs the loco thought it was in dc mode and shot off due to the track having constant power from the dcc. so this got me thinking about Piccadilly and the size and sheer amount of stock you have. do you alter cv29 to just run in dcc mode or are they set up for both? all the best Tony.
Hi Tony, thank you for that info, and weirdly Im watching Allans video now. Just passed the bit about 37, so you didn’t spill the spoilers lol. Since I bought the black z21 and lowered the voltage I very rarely (if at all now) get trains shooting off. The one that did strangely if off the track. I had to fit a new motor, with now fits why. Id forgotten how bad it was, but motor must have been damaged by shorting. Otherwise I try to use Bachmann (zimo) decoders and never had issue with those. Do occasionally get DMU lights not working correctly, ok once chip has been reset. Maybe thats another symptom
Hello namesake, I'm glad I found this tutorial, I know it won't help many people, I hadn't found anything like this, I congratulate you. And knowing that you are a teacher as you mention it; I have a Z21, and my trains are MTH and a scale train from the USA, (sorry), I have a locomotive that only runs forward, I have already restarted it several times and I cannot remove the lock, so that it also runs backwards. Do you know how to do this?
Hi Juan, Im glad you enjoyed the video and it was helpful for you. Sorry to read you are having problems with you locomotive. However, I have no experience HO USA stock nor MTH. It is very hard to advise without seeing it. May I suggest you search for videos on your locomotive on youtube, it is possible that someone has experienced the same issue. Sorry Im not able to help and hope you are able to resolve the issue.
Hi Brian, if it’s locos Brian I included that on my class 33 video released on my other channel. It’s at 9.23 I did mainly for mate who’s just got Z21 himself. It is big quick, but any questions just say. Link below: th-cam.com/video/cqqtteEjMHs/w-d-xo.html This is a OO gauge channel mainly logging progress on my shunting layout Piccadilly Sidings
I have since discovered that the Hornby Select has been updated to allow all CVs to be altered and any Select ( however old) can be updated by Hornby for a small fee + pp. You would need to contact them to arrange this. Although Hornby I understand have currently workshop restrictions in place following Govt guidelines on COVID 19, they will be able to do this shortly I’m sure.
My Select has old firmware and the information is for those who either choose not to upgrade or who are unable to for whatever reason. The info was not intended to mislead nor discourage use of the Select (it is a great starter controller, I did buy one!). Someone does not need to replace the controller with a more expensive one if you chose to sent it in for upgrade.
Apologies for any misrepresentation and misunderstanding
Piccadilly Model N Gauge Model Railway ok thanks for that John I will think about it plenty of time to do that stay safe .... :0) .... Chris
Fantastic you are the first person on you tube who has Expained Cvs. Thanks very much. Great teacher.
Roger Clark Aahhh you are very kind. There are many videos out there and sadly many have left me thinking ‘what in the name of sanity.... was THAT?’ Lol
Piccadilly Model N Gauge Model Railway yes I agree. Especially when you have moved back into Model Railways after 30 years.
Same here
One of the best DCC tutorials UK that I have watched
Ahhhh thanks Kev, glad you found it helpful
@@piccadillymodelrailways Hi John Im operating oo gauge with help of JMRI in 2 sheds and outside with CCTV also a big help of a close friend with electrics . Keep Safe mate
Sounds great
Very, very helpful, for unraveling the mysteries (to me anyway) of DCC CVs, thank you for sharing.
You are very welcome Ron, so glad it was helpful to you.
Thanks for a very clear and helpful video. I'm just starting out with the z21 and you have taken away some of the mystery of changing CVs.
Great, I’m so pleased to read that, thank you. If you would like me to cover something please say and I’ll see what can be done.
Hi John, thank you for this entry level tutorial into CV values and what they do. Very useful and has helped to demystify the dark art somewhat! In this respect I am still in Reception I think! Sometimes you can feel like the kid in the class afraid to put their hand up to admit they don't understand what's going on! More please of this type of thing!
Thank you Karl that’s so kind of you to say. Ive found literally hundreds of people in the same boat, so pleased to help.
If you have any suggestions for the basics series please say. There will be one on installing lighting in coaches and another on street / platform lighting.
Thanks John. Very well explained
As always good information....thanks for sharing....Jack 👍
Hi John Thank you so much for your info on setting up cv's this has made things so much clearer for me. I do in particular like your examples of trying different values to see the effect.
Thank you John, Im so pleased it was helpful to you. If you have any question please say.
Hi John. Very many thanks for your tutorials. I have just started DCC railway modelling (in my senior years) in n gauge and decided on this as my gauge of choice, due to space restrictions. You are gradually de-mystifying, from my perspective, a lot of areas that a beginner found puzzling or seemingly complicated. Thanks for keeping to the basics, it's been really useful. I now know which basic CV's do what. When I can upgrade my controller from the basic Bachmann Farish, I will have the confidence to have a bash at making the appropriate changes. I promise not to meddle in CV29 when the time comes. Just as an aside, I recently bought the Farish Midland Pullman Blue Train, a few having been, or so it looks, to have been held back by Bachmann and then recently released to the market. What a beautiful model this is. The full scale train is one that I've long held a special affection for from the days when I used to see it at Manchester Central station as a boy. A bright blue train amongst the mainly black or dark green engines was mesmerising. Cheers
Bless you Geoff some lovely kind words there, thank you. I’m so glad you found it useful. If you would like me to cover something in the basics series please say and I’ll see what can be done.
Yes I agree the blue Pullman is indeed a gorgeous train. I don’t have one as my layout is more current around Manchester Piccadilly, which I understand was formerly named as Manchester Central?
Hi John. Manchester Piccadilly was formerly London Road station and I vaguely remember London Road with the original Victorian/Edwardian facade before the current and previous modern incarnations. The train halls however have not changed a great deal other than a lick of paint, new lighting and up to date facilities. It's still a great station however. Manchester Central was the old Cheshire Lines station located a little outside the immediate city centre around the Lower Moseley street area. It was a single span roofed station, with a grand but simple frontage and it's own hotel, "The Midland" across the road, a very impressive place which still operates today. The old station that closed in 1969 is now an exhibition/events hall and conference centre and is currently being used as a Nightingale Hospital. I think that out of the four principal Manchester stations at that time it was my favourite. Some years ago, I spoke to someone who worked on the railways at Manchester Central and he told me that it was a "pig" to work because of the limited number of lines at the "throat" that came across a narrow viaduct. If one line went down the whole system collapsed. He said that was one of the reasons BR called it a day there when they restructured the Manchester services. The station was more or less abandoned for years but just before it was renovated myself and a couple of friends were having a good rummage around for old bits and bobs and taking photos for posterity . A construction worker came over to us and said we shouldn't be in the building (although it was still open at the time as a car park). When we explained what we were doing, he kindly took us into the bowels of the old station where the old turntables were for horse drawn goods wagons. He also showed us the original stonemasons figures/marks that were placed to denote who had done what on the arched brickwork. The marks were brilliantly carved, goats heads, sheeps heads, devils heads, bulls heads etc. Nice experience. If you fancy a look a the old station, Google Images or the Manchester Library local image collection have an array of pics. Sorry for the ramble. Cheers Geoff
Thank you. Please forgive Geoff I am slightly dyslexic and find reading long comments difficult. If it’s possible to keep them short I’d really appreciate that. Thank you
@@piccadillymodelrailways No problem John.
Very well done. I have saved this for future reference. Thanks for sharing. Be safe and stay well.
Thank you Larry, you are very welcome.
Brilliant video John, really very useful stuff and very easy to follow! Cheers Geoff
Thanks Geoff, so glad you enjoyed it
Great tutorial John. You get an A+ in my book. I appreciate your “Basics” tutorials. Thanks. See ya next time.
Thanks Anthony, much appreciated. Would you like to see one on a particular subject? Got one coming on lighting when I get that far on the layout(s)
Very interesting. I'm not using DCC yet, so I found it instructional.
Hi Duncan, thanks. Glad it was interesting to you
Thanks for that tutorial, it is just in time as I am setting a new chip in a secondhand loco in a few days time.
Barry.Devon
Brilliant, so glad it will be useful, thanks for telling me I look forward to seeing it on your channel
Great video John so thank you. Yes it is hard to take the teacher oit of us - my wife is always saying stop talking to me as a teacher. So good on you LOL Kevin.
Ha ha ha, ‘once a teacher...’ Someone asked me to do this video few weeks ago, just got round to it now. Turning out to be quite a hot potato. Thank you for your support and kind words
John what a fantastic video , i am a dc man and when i hear things about cv,s it steers me away from dcc but your video makes perfect sense to me thanks and i might dip my toes in dcc , Regards Dave
That’s brilliant David, the things it can do are amazing, trains speeding up and slowing down automatically is barely the tip of the iceberg
Great stuff John, programming CVs can be a bit of a minefield if you're not sure what you are doing. Thanks for the really useful tutorial.
Thank you you are welcome!
Hi John - now you've wetted my appetite for Blackwood to go over at some point to DCC. Well explained ( must the teacher in you lol) in terms of the CV's and what they do. Enjoyed that one John. Cheers Euan
Fantastic Euan, DCC is amazing, very expensive, but amazing. Getting down close to a full length HST at full speed is out of this world. The sound bring a whole new level to railway modelling.
Z21 also makes it soooooo easy.
John- That was just what I wanted and I will have a go now I know what to do - Thanks...……...Cheers Kev
Bless you Kev, so glad it was clear for you
Excellent John, a few of mine will be changing this weekend ! Knew some, but learnt more. Cheers Teach ! Jon
Lol, thanks Jon, so glad that was helpful
thanks john really good video.
Hi John, that makes a lot more sense and will definitely be changing some of mine..thanks for that , cheers, Chris
Thank you Chris, you are very welcome.
Great video John. I’m yet to try changing the addresses or any of the CV’s of my locos but after seeing this video, I think I’ll give it a try tomorrow.
Cheers
Neil
That’s great Neil, I’m so pleased you found it helpful. Think there is a lot of mystery attached to DCC and CV settings, but on the basic level it’s quite easy really.
John, greetings a much needed and much appreciated tutorial, thanks :] cheers steve
Bless you Steve, glad it was helpful
All very interesting John. I will take a look at some of my locos with the older Gaugemaster and Bachman chips. Ive always been a bit wary of doing that so your video has really helped. I recently used the new Bachmann 8 point chip (which are Zimo chips) in my latest purchase( the A1) which has slower acceleration and deceleration built in with active braking (which first appeared with the Next 18 chip on the Castle). It really adds something to the driving of the loco (but not so much that I am going to change all the chips!). Stephen
Thank you Stephen I’m glad you found it useful. Do be aware not all chips respond in the same way, my gauge master chips, black ones simply rubbish, most burnt out, but have demoted any remaining to dummy car lighting duties lol.
8- point chip? Not heard of that, have few next 18 now. Please do spill what’s it like. On OO the 158 has a plux22, few extra functions
Piccadilly Model N Gauge Model Railway silly me it’s a 6 pin of course, (fat fingers).
Ha ha ha lol, I normally try to keep up with what’s happening lol
Master class !!!
Hi John, absolutely invaluable video and very well taught for us “year one” students 😱😂😂😂 As a Z21 user this video is a little treasure so many thanks for making it 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 As an aside have you ever had Dapol (not imperium) or gaugemaster chips accept the start command and then blindly ignore all other communication until you pull them from the track 😤😤 For that reason I only use Zimo or Lenz chips, but maybe it was wrong CV’s all along 🤔 Once again very best regards from County Wicklow ☘️
Thank you I’m so pleased it was helped. Someone suggested it a few weeks ago, but not been able to do till now. I asked on FB if people would be interested, the overwhelming response was yes, so here it is.
I don’t use gaugemaster chip any more as they seemed to be the cheapest of the cheap. Bought 10, 10 blew, every last one! Never again, and I couldn’t get refund on any, gaugemaster didn’t want to know, blaming me. Awful!
The Imperium chips I’ve always found to be stunning if I’m honest and just tried my OO gauge 21 pin chip I have in the class 121, reset CV 2 no issues. Could be a faulty one? Can you read CV
2? Does it run well otherwise?
Hi John, the Imperiums work a treat, rather it is the 6 pin chips they install in their DCC ready to run models 😱 Good to know you had the same experience of Gaugemaster chips, Rails of Sheffield must be on commission to install them 😤😤 do never ask them to do a chip install for you 😉 Once again many thanks for such a valuable resource 🤩
You are welcome Paul
John I’ve downloaded this video what about the Hornby elite on you do the same as the Hornby select cheers .... :0) .... Chris
Hi Chris, Glad it was useful, regarding Hornby Select please see my pinned comment in ‘comments’ save me typing it again. Sorry never had an Elite In afraid so I’m not able to help with that.
To be honest Chris I would concentrate on getting trains up and running first. Track down, wired up fair few dropper wires from track to bus wire. Just get it working. Plenty of time for CVs.
Hi John, I have just been watching Allans latest video @ dragon junction and he mentioned that a loco went shooting of when he got a short and he had to reset his decoder, which got me thinking about your video on cv's If memory serves me, this is caused by cv 29's standard default to run on dc and dcc, and when the short occurs the loco thought it was in dc mode and shot off due to the track having constant power from the dcc. so this got me thinking about Piccadilly and the size and sheer amount of stock you have. do you alter cv29 to just run in dcc mode or are they set up for both? all the best Tony.
Hi Tony, thank you for that info, and weirdly Im watching Allans video now. Just passed the bit about 37, so you didn’t spill the spoilers lol.
Since I bought the black z21 and lowered the voltage I very rarely (if at all now) get trains shooting off. The one that did strangely if off the track. I had to fit a new motor, with now fits why. Id forgotten how bad it was, but motor must have been damaged by shorting. Otherwise I try to use Bachmann (zimo) decoders and never had issue with those. Do occasionally get DMU lights not working correctly, ok once chip has been reset. Maybe thats another symptom
Hello namesake, I'm glad I found this tutorial, I know it won't help many people, I hadn't found anything like this, I congratulate you. And knowing that you are a teacher as you mention it; I have a Z21, and my trains are MTH and a scale train from the USA, (sorry), I have a locomotive that only runs forward, I have already restarted it several times and I cannot remove the lock, so that it also runs backwards. Do you know how to do this?
Hi Juan, Im glad you enjoyed the video and it was helpful for you.
Sorry to read you are having problems with you locomotive. However, I have no experience HO USA stock nor MTH. It is very hard to advise without seeing it. May I suggest you search for videos on your locomotive on youtube, it is possible that someone has experienced the same issue. Sorry Im not able to help and hope you are able to resolve the issue.
Hi John I have a Black Z21 is there any printed instructions I can get to do programming
Hi Brian, if it’s locos Brian I included that on my class 33 video released on my other channel. It’s at 9.23 I did mainly for mate who’s just got Z21 himself. It is big quick, but any questions just say.
Link below:
th-cam.com/video/cqqtteEjMHs/w-d-xo.html
This is a OO gauge channel mainly logging progress on my shunting layout Piccadilly Sidings
@@piccadillymodelrailways Thanks john for your help I wish the instruction you get with the Z21 were better but fab system