I have since discovered that the Hornby Select has been updated to allow all CVs to be altered and any Select can be updated by Hornby for a small fee + pp. You would need to contact them to arrange this. Although Hornby I understand have currently workshop restrictions in place following Govt guidelines on COVID 19, they will be able to do this shortly I’m sure. My Select has old firmware and the information is for those who either choose not to upgrade or who are unable to for whatever reason. The info was not intended to mislead nor discourage use of the Select (it is a great starter controller, I did buy one!). Someone does not need to replace the controller with a more expensive one if you chose to sent it in for upgrade. Apologies for any misrepresentation and misunderstanding
Thankyou Dennis, so glad it was helpful. There is a ‘mystery’ set up around CVs and many are put off adjusting them out of fear of damaging the model or decoder. There actually is a whole new realm of possibilities which could easily be tapped into.
One of the best CV demo's out there , I have a couple of Legomanbiffo sound files V5 on which the CV6 does not allow any adjustment . I queried it with Richard at Roads & Rails and he said for some reason the ESU V5 does not have any adjustment , I do get a slight hesitation on my 67 when accelerating through mid range . Cheers........Peter
Hi Peter I didn’t know that about ESU. Wondering then if there is anything on CV25 which is the speed map nos around 10-20. You would need to record the original value, ( just in case), but it may help I usually use 13/14. Hoping that’s helpful.
I’ve just spent about a hour trying to sort out my cv on a locomotive and up until I found your video I was none the wiser so thank you very much. I use Z21 so I’m pleased I can go and get it sorted 😊
Brilliant Lyndon, so glad to be of help. CVs are billed as complex and bit mysterious. The reality is they they are codes for the control system, so when you know what each does they are a valuable resource.
Thanks for the clear explanations back to the programming track for me as I had just been playing around with the cvs hopefully now I'll get some sense out of them
Glad to help. You can send your unit to Hornby for upgrade, which I believe allows you to modify CVs, but there is a charge and may well be restrictions in place due to COVID lockdown.
Brilliant Merv, I think you are right there has been too much mystery, with people scared to alter something tiny because they spoke to someone who did the sharp intake of breath thing lol.
Been thinking about changing CVs for a while but was scared to mess it up and blow up decoders. Thanks for this great explanation of how to do it. I've got the Hornby Elite so I should be able to do them all (except cv29, your scary teacher voice has put me off 😂), but really I'm just after the gentler acceleration and deceleration.
Thank you, I’m so glad that found it useful. Yes I believe everything can be done on the hornby elite. Regarding CV29 you don’t need to touch this unless there is a problem. If you remember I had red lights front and back of the train, so I needed to switch the red to white on the power car. Yes CVs 3 & 4 are perfect.
Hi John, It is very nice to be reminded of the basic's from time to time and this was very good at doing that so well done but having just looked at your pinned comment means I could buy the select and if my railmaster gave up for any reason could still run the layout so worth knowing well done for that also. Keep safe and well. Cheers Robert.
Hi Robert, so glad to hear from you, please come back soon. Yes you are right you could buy a select, which has been updated. Hornby are only ones who can do further updates at a current charge of £18+ pp. I’m not sure how many trains it would run on a layout of your size, mind as I THINK it comes with a 1amp power pack ( upgradable for extra £).
Hi. I had my Select upgraded to version 1.5 to give me all the sound functions on TTS decoders this was about 7 years ago and cost£15 + p&p, using my Select in for upgrade to enable CV setting last week I expected to pay £15 again but Hornby did the upgrade FOC and didn't charge return postage either. 10 out 10 for Hornby's service department.
Bless thanks, glad you found it helpful. I did this video for someone considering z21, maybe helpful. Any questions contact me on on ‘messenger’, th-cam.com/video/pX-LByAwYXU/w-d-xo.html
Hi ya John, great informative video.... i run analogue DC but still found the plunge into DCC in your video well delivered/ presented... stay safe Neil
That should help me out immensely just got my connecting cord for my layout controller. I lost the one that came with it. As I was planning on changing it for a coiled type anyway I was not worried about it.
Thank you, I’m so glad the video will be useful. There is too much mystery been built around CVs and the basics are really not that hard. Hope you get your electrical cord sorted!!
n gauge on the 00 channel oh my haha, this was actually really useful will help massively for when i can finally do dcc i like why your test track is big enough to be its own layout its self
Lol, well kinda, Ive decided if a video is not actually gauge related to put it out on both channels, Thank you Ive had literally hundreds of people saying the same thing. Many fearful, understandably, that they could damage something. It’s actually not the dark art it is portrayed to be. Really pleased it was helpful The test track is 6’ x 2’ I could turn it into a layout but just wanted something very small and incredibly lightweight. As you’ve seen it’s on 2” polystyrene, not the best for a layout. Done it been there, got teashirt, hat and video on that one. My previous layout was the same, ok till I redesigned the track plan. From then always battling the even or not even surface as the surface kept crumbling making a huge mess Lol
@@piccadillysidingsoogaugemo6445 haha crumbling like a new biscuit just dipped into a hot drink 😆🤭, yeah, we where going to do a test track under the stairs so we coukd have a loop to run them in, but for what ever reason we haven't
An excellent tutorial John. Wish you'd have put this up a few weeks ago. I had a problem with my virgin hst that it suddenly shot off in reverse for no reason. I had no control over it and the only way to stop it was to cut the track power. I was told to turn of dc in cv29 so I meddled with it. Ok I'll stand in the naughty corner. Hadn't a clue what I did what I'd changed ect 😂 eventually I reset cv8 or the loco did it itself as it went back to factory settings. Lol I hadn't a clue eventually I put in setting 3 and it worked. I now run it as a consist front and rear on different addresses as it's sound and I've had no further problems. Out of the naughty corner. Moral of this story don't meddle with cv29 lol cheers Andy
Ha ha ha, I love that Andy, it was very kind and honest of you to say. If you put both powercars on the programming track you could address them the same. Does it have a TTS sound decoder by any chance? Ive read that CV150 to 1 can help, BUT only on certain locos, not sure about HST. Had same issue on one of my peckets, after extensive research it was suggested I cut out the diode across the motor terminals as DCC doesn’t require it. The diodes were put in to suppress TV signal interference, but the decoder does that, so two clash. Been perfect since
@@piccadillysidingsoogaugemo6445 hi John yes it's the tts sound version. I originally had the powercars as 1 address. With my old dynamis controller I have no problems with it but that's only 1.5 amp output. However when I upgraded to digitrax I went for the DCS210 which has 3 settings for n 00 and 0 so it's output is 5amp for 00 8amps 0 gauge. Then I had this problem of the train running off on its own in reverse. I did check and was told cv29 turn off dc. The rest you know. However it advises for prototypical running use 2 addresses and run as a consist. Since then no problems. You watch now I've said that it'll do it again lol. Thanks for your other tips I'll bear them I'm mind. Thanks Andy
A very useful guide, although I have one question re the lights... I don't understand why you removed the dummy car before changing CV29 unless there is a second decoder in the dummy car ?
Hi David, thank you for the question. The DMU had red lights front and back of the train so I needed to remove the dummy car so that stayed with red lights. By switching the polarity in the motor car that then switched them to white. So when the dummy goes back on the track the lights are correct. White at the front, red at the back. Hoping that makes sense
I also have the z21 (white) and use the Android app. I have noticed that there are very few tutorials on the new app, just the older version which is quite different. You would think there would be some sort of instruction manual for the app. As you use this app would it be possible for you to do some tutorial videos on it? I can only take in a certain amount of info at a time so videos would be a good way for me to learn how to use it. Cheers!
Hi Wayne, yes that is certainly possible, could you let me know the type of things you want to do with the z21? I ask as there are things covered already and dont want to repeat myself. Ive put links below, but I did a teaser type thing for a mate thinking about z21 on my main channel and the class 33 video from last week had a programming slot around 9 minutes 23 seconds take a look. th-cam.com/video/cqqtteEjMHs/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/pX-LByAwYXU/w-d-xo.html Anything else please let me know, please also be aware I dont know everything about it, but am reasonably comfortable.
@@piccadillysidingsoogaugemo6445 That was the first video of yours that I saw after putting a z21 search i and was very helpful, now saved and stored with the above for future reference.Anything would be good as I am wandering through trying to suss it all out blindfolded. I think I have got to the bottom of the loco library and rearranging and transferring info via wifi. I have sorted a schematic track plan and added points etc but cant work out how to do the ? "freehand" version. I lack knowledge on the little things like keeping the layout design the correct size after I have switched off and rebooted. For some reason it trebles in size and I have to pinch it back to size. The main thing that I have failed with is using the maintenance site to update my wlanmaus. It just wont have it. So, in summary, I would be grateful for any tutorials to go with what you have already done. Thanks for replying. Wayne
Hi Wayne, I ask for specifics as it is a mine field and most you dont need for running a few trains, I can do something on creating a track plan, but it is very wild. I use an ipad pro with an apple pencil and its still difficult. I usually find on apple devices I have to pinch into the image as it tends to show the whole track plan and its far to small to operate. Pinching is part and parcel Im afraid. Sorry Ive never used a multimaus. If Im honest sounds like you think its necessary to know the app inside out, to run trains you need to be aware of the three icons on the left hand side of the home screen. ie Vehicles - have you been able to program trains with a DCC address and get them running? Do you have sound fitted locos and locos with function eg directional lighting? Control station - have you drawn your track plan? You only need one track plan and dont need the freehand version - do you have dcc operated point motors? CV programming in which you use ‘manual’ and choose which function you want to do down the left hand side. Just had a thought roco has a manual on its website.( below) switch to English in top right.. Go to ‘downloads’ click ‘manuals’ its the EN version you need. Then go to z21 system and z21 app there is a manual there. www.z21.eu Please take a look as its very difficult to assess your needs with seeing you operate the system. Im more than willing to help but as you can appreciate I have try make videos which can help many with alienating many others too. Take a look at the z21 website and come back to me if you have questions we can perhaps use messenger to physical talk to each other rather than typing here as I do find reading bit difficult being bit dyslexic myself
Sorry I just remembered, hope its useful, do remember unless theres particular things you want the z21 to do you dont need to everything. Any questions Ill do my best.
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I have since discovered that the Hornby Select has been updated to allow all CVs to be altered and any Select can be updated by Hornby for a small fee + pp. You would need to contact them to arrange this. Although Hornby I understand have currently workshop restrictions in place following Govt guidelines on COVID 19, they will be able to do this shortly I’m sure.
My Select has old firmware and the information is for those who either choose not to upgrade or who are unable to for whatever reason. The info was not intended to mislead nor discourage use of the Select (it is a great starter controller, I did buy one!). Someone does not need to replace the controller with a more expensive one if you chose to sent it in for upgrade.
Apologies for any misrepresentation and misunderstanding
Just getting into DCC, this has been the best explanation at setting the basic CV’s i’ve seen. Thank you.
Thank you, you are very welcome, glad it was helpful
This the best explanation of CV's. Thanks,
Thankyou Dennis, so glad it was helpful. There is a ‘mystery’ set up around CVs and many are put off adjusting them out of fear of damaging the model or decoder. There actually is a whole new realm of possibilities which could easily be tapped into.
Great tutorial John its great to finally have a simple straight forward on how to progam C.Vs
Great, thank you. I am so glad you found it helpful.
Thanks very much…great explanation for new to DCC.
One of the best CV demo's out there , I have a couple of Legomanbiffo sound files V5 on which the CV6 does not allow any adjustment . I queried it with Richard at Roads & Rails and he said for some reason the ESU V5 does not have any adjustment , I do get a slight hesitation on my 67 when accelerating through mid range .
Cheers........Peter
Hi Peter I didn’t know that about ESU. Wondering then if there is anything on CV25 which is the speed map nos around 10-20. You would need to record the original value, ( just in case), but it may help I usually use 13/14. Hoping that’s helpful.
@@piccadillysidingsoogaugemo6445 Thanks , I will have a look . I always note original CV settings . Cheers.......Peter
Finally a video that makes sense for CV programming. Well done and thanks!
Lol, you are welcome
Excellent. This will give me the confidence to play around with my CV's....after 5 years!
Brilliant Wayne, leave CV 29, but the rest wont cause any damage, have fun thats what its all about
I’ve just spent about a hour trying to sort out my cv on a locomotive and up until I found your video I was none the wiser so thank you very much. I use Z21 so I’m pleased I can go and get it sorted 😊
Brilliant Lyndon, so glad to be of help. CVs are billed as complex and bit mysterious. The reality is they they are codes for the control system, so when you know what each does they are a valuable resource.
Excellent video. Explained very clearly how I have mucked up my brand new 4f.
What do you mean? You can reset it by setting CV8 to 8. This will do a factory reset.
So good - I watched it again in OO! You've whetted a petite to discover what further things you can do with CVS!
Good thx David glad you like it. This is barely the tip of the iceberg.
@@piccadillysidingsoogaugemo6445 John Warner sinks UK model railways by revealing the secrets below the C and V!
Thanks you make it easier thanks for sharing....Jack 👍👍👍
Thanks for the clear explanations back to the programming track for me as I had just been playing around with the cvs hopefully now I'll get some sense out of them
Brilliant Mike thank you.
Brilliant! Couldn't find that about the Select anywhere. Thanks.
Glad to help. You can send your unit to Hornby for upgrade, which I believe allows you to modify CVs, but there is a charge and may well be restrictions in place due to COVID lockdown.
Very useful video John! Thanks for sharing. Cheers Onno.
Great Video John it has demystified CV Values for me Thanks !
Brilliant Merv, I think you are right there has been too much mystery, with people scared to alter something tiny because they spoke to someone who did the sharp intake of breath thing lol.
Thank you, very good explanation & demo
Been thinking about changing CVs for a while but was scared to mess it up and blow up decoders. Thanks for this great explanation of how to do it. I've got the Hornby Elite so I should be able to do them all (except cv29, your scary teacher voice has put me off 😂), but really I'm just after the gentler acceleration and deceleration.
Thank you, I’m so glad that found it useful. Yes I believe everything can be done on the hornby elite.
Regarding CV29 you don’t need to touch this unless there is a problem. If you remember I had red lights front and back of the train, so I needed to switch the red to white on the power car.
Yes CVs 3 & 4 are perfect.
Great advice there John. Can I just add a suggestion, write all this info down in a note book, Loco, Chip type, CV values etc.
Hi Steve, personally I don’t need to, but we each do what works best for us. Thank you for taking the time to comment
Hi John,
It is very nice to be reminded of the basic's from time to time and this was very good at doing that so well done but having just looked at your pinned comment means I could buy the select and if my railmaster gave up for any reason could still run the layout so worth knowing well done for that also. Keep safe and well.
Cheers Robert.
Hi Robert, so glad to hear from you, please come back soon.
Yes you are right you could buy a select, which has been updated. Hornby are only ones who can do further updates at a current charge of £18+ pp. I’m not sure how many trains it would run on a layout of your size, mind as I THINK it comes with a 1amp power pack ( upgradable for extra £).
Hi. I had my Select upgraded to version 1.5 to give me all the sound functions on TTS decoders this was about 7 years ago and cost£15 + p&p, using my Select in for upgrade to enable CV setting last week I expected to pay £15 again but Hornby did the upgrade FOC and didn't charge return postage either.
10 out 10 for Hornby's service department.
Fantastic, yes I’m aware than the select was upgraded. Mine remains as you saw. I only use it for testing and when it’s not practical to use z21
Thanks John, perfect intro for me to my Z21, I’m reasonably competent in these sort of things but I always need a starting point, cheers John
Bless thanks, glad you found it helpful. I did this video for someone considering z21, maybe helpful. Any questions contact me on on ‘messenger’,
th-cam.com/video/pX-LByAwYXU/w-d-xo.html
Hi ya John, great informative video.... i run analogue DC but still found the plunge into DCC in your video well delivered/ presented... stay safe Neil
Thanks Neil glad you liked it. Yes many seemed have the DC to DCC switch. I won’t buy anything that cannot run DCC these days. Guess I’m hooked
That should help me out immensely just got my connecting cord for my layout controller. I lost the one that came with it. As I was planning on changing it for a coiled type anyway I was not worried about it.
Thank you, I’m so glad the video will be useful. There is too much mystery been built around CVs and the basics are really not that hard.
Hope you get your electrical cord sorted!!
n gauge on the 00 channel oh my haha, this was actually really useful will help massively for when i can finally do dcc i like why your test track is big enough to be its own layout its self
Lol, well kinda, Ive decided if a video is not actually gauge related to put it out on both channels,
Thank you Ive had literally hundreds of people saying the same thing. Many fearful, understandably, that they could damage something. It’s actually not the dark art it is portrayed to be. Really pleased it was helpful
The test track is 6’ x 2’ I could turn it into a layout but just wanted something very small and incredibly lightweight. As you’ve seen it’s on 2” polystyrene, not the best for a layout. Done it been there, got teashirt, hat and video on that one. My previous layout was the same, ok till I redesigned the track plan. From then always battling the even or not even surface as the surface kept crumbling making a huge mess Lol
@@piccadillysidingsoogaugemo6445 haha crumbling like a new biscuit just dipped into a hot drink 😆🤭, yeah, we where going to do a test track under the stairs so we coukd have a loop to run them in, but for what ever reason we haven't
I’m sure you will if the need arises lol
An excellent tutorial John. Wish you'd have put this up a few weeks ago. I had a problem with my virgin hst that it suddenly shot off in reverse for no reason. I had no control over it and the only way to stop it was to cut the track power. I was told to turn of dc in cv29 so I meddled with it. Ok I'll stand in the naughty corner. Hadn't a clue what I did what I'd changed ect 😂 eventually I reset cv8 or the loco did it itself as it went back to factory settings. Lol I hadn't a clue eventually I put in setting 3 and it worked. I now run it as a consist front and rear on different addresses as it's sound and I've had no further problems. Out of the naughty corner. Moral of this story don't meddle with cv29 lol cheers Andy
Ha ha ha, I love that Andy, it was very kind and honest of you to say. If you put both powercars on the programming track you could address them the same. Does it have a TTS sound decoder by any chance?
Ive read that CV150 to 1 can help, BUT only on certain locos, not sure about HST.
Had same issue on one of my peckets, after extensive research it was suggested I cut out the diode across the motor terminals as DCC doesn’t require it. The diodes were put in to suppress TV signal interference, but the decoder does that, so two clash. Been perfect since
@@piccadillysidingsoogaugemo6445 hi John yes it's the tts sound version. I originally had the powercars as 1 address. With my old dynamis controller I have no problems with it but that's only 1.5 amp output. However when I upgraded to digitrax I went for the DCS210 which has 3 settings for n 00 and 0 so it's output is 5amp for 00 8amps 0 gauge. Then I had this problem of the train running off on its own in reverse. I did check and was told cv29 turn off dc. The rest you know. However it advises for prototypical running use 2 addresses and run as a consist. Since then no problems. You watch now I've said that it'll do it again lol. Thanks for your other tips I'll bear them I'm mind. Thanks Andy
I do love the HSTs hence having 3, love to see yours running.
@@piccadillysidingsoogaugemo6445 your wish is my command. I think I had 2 running on this week's video. Yes pretty sure I did towards the end.
A very useful guide, although I have one question re the lights...
I don't understand why you removed the dummy car before changing CV29 unless there is a second decoder in the dummy car ?
Hi David, thank you for the question. The DMU had red lights front and back of the train so I needed to remove the dummy car so that stayed with red lights. By switching the polarity in the motor car that then switched them to white. So when the dummy goes back on the track the lights are correct. White at the front, red at the back. Hoping that makes sense
I also have the z21 (white) and use the Android app. I have noticed that there are very few tutorials on the new app, just the older version which is quite different. You would think there would be some sort of instruction manual for the app. As you use this app would it be possible for you to do some tutorial videos on it? I can only take in a certain amount of info at a time so videos would be a good way for me to learn how to use it. Cheers!
Hi Wayne, yes that is certainly possible, could you let me know the type of things you want to do with the z21? I ask as there are things covered already and dont want to repeat myself. Ive put links below, but I did a teaser type thing for a mate thinking about z21 on my main channel and the class 33 video from last week had a programming slot around 9 minutes 23 seconds take a look.
th-cam.com/video/cqqtteEjMHs/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/pX-LByAwYXU/w-d-xo.html
Anything else please let me know, please also be aware I dont know everything about it, but am reasonably comfortable.
@@piccadillysidingsoogaugemo6445 That was the first video of yours that I saw after putting a z21 search i and was very helpful, now saved and stored with the above for future reference.Anything would be good as I am wandering through trying to suss it all out blindfolded. I think I have got to the bottom of the loco library and rearranging and transferring info via wifi. I have sorted a schematic track plan and added points etc but cant work out how to do the ?
"freehand" version. I lack knowledge on the little things like keeping the layout design the correct size after I have switched off and rebooted. For some reason it trebles in size and I have to pinch it back to size. The main thing that I have failed with is using the maintenance site to update my wlanmaus. It just wont have it. So, in summary, I would be grateful for any tutorials to go with what you have already done. Thanks for replying.
Wayne
Hi Wayne, I ask for specifics as it is a mine field and most you dont need for running a few trains, I can do something on creating a track plan, but it is very wild. I use an ipad pro with an apple pencil and its still difficult. I usually find on apple devices I have to pinch into the image as it tends to show the whole track plan and its far to small to operate. Pinching is part and parcel Im afraid. Sorry Ive never used a multimaus.
If Im honest sounds like you think its necessary to know the app inside out, to run trains you need to be aware of the three icons on the left hand side of the home screen. ie
Vehicles - have you been able to program trains with a DCC address and get them running?
Do you have sound fitted locos and locos with function eg directional lighting?
Control station - have you drawn your track plan? You only need one track plan and dont need the freehand version
- do you have dcc operated point motors?
CV programming in which you use ‘manual’ and choose which function you want to do down the left hand side.
Just had a thought roco has a manual on its website.( below) switch to English in top right.. Go to ‘downloads’ click ‘manuals’ its the EN version you need.
Then go to z21 system and z21 app there is a manual there.
www.z21.eu
Please take a look as its very difficult to assess your needs with seeing you operate the system. Im more than willing to help but as you can appreciate I have try make videos which can help many with alienating many others too. Take a look at the z21 website and come back to me if you have questions we can perhaps use messenger to physical talk to each other rather than typing here as I do find reading bit difficult being bit dyslexic myself
@@piccadillysidingsoogaugemo6445 will do. I wasn't aware of a manual so you may well have sorted my problems by just pointing it out. Thanks again.
Sorry I just remembered, hope its useful, do remember unless theres particular things you want the z21 to do you dont need to everything. Any questions Ill do my best.