Corax is the best. Really wish GW published more on him. "7 Legions were sent to kill me on Istvaan, and here I am. You cannot kill me." I'd like to see the Lion make that boast.
russ understands corax's decision to not remain on terra and instead hunt down the traitors to waste as much of their force as they can before they reach terra in order to weaken them. its a similar decision he took with the wolves.
Yeah if the Raven Guard went to Terra to act as basic front line troops like Dorn wanted then they probably would have been wiped out completely; they are stealth experts, so to send them to stand on a wall firing their bolters at waves of oncoming troops is a waste of their talents when they would be much better suited by harassing the enemy's rear guard to distract their attention (meaning the traitors would need to take forces from the front to counter these attacks), and also interrupting their supply lines to "starve" them out of the siege and force them to give it up early from a lack of food, equipment, and reinforcements
Russ and Corax always got on well. Russ even talked Corax out of suiciding when he was at his lowest. He has a Big brother thing going on for Corax that he simply doesn't for the Lion.
@@sorufa888 It seemed to go well with Lorgar, for what it's worth. Problem with Primarchs is not many of the 20 semi warp gods trapped in meat socks actually had much brotherly feelings in them. Kind of speaks volumes really that one of the few that tried actually was Russ. What a nutty family.
Russ likes to play the role of the buffoon and the boisterous barbarian king when things are going well, because it makes people drop their guard around him both for good and ill (on the one hand he can find out which of his brothers have a sense of humour and develop a kinship with them, on the other the less loyal people might end up revealing something to him thinking he's too stupid to pick up on it) but it's been mentioned time and time again that certain people see through this ruse and can tell that he's putting on an act to test people. The heresy was really interesting as a Space Wolf fan, because we see Leman get more and more serious as time goes on, he still has jokes and a certain countenance to him, but the facade of "the barbarian king" was slipping, and you see him be much more measured and serious, even in Wolfsbane when he is explaining to Malcador why he is choosing to take his legion on the attack rather than defending Terra, he made a very quiet and meticulous argument about his reasoning, never giving into emotion or being so consumed by anger that he is doing a pointless suicide run like Angron would do, but instead saying that his legion works better by attacking than defending, and if he CAN deal a lethal strike to Horus before he reaches Terra then he will save the planet before the invasion even reaches it, which I think are both fair points
Love these 3 primarchs! Notice how the Lion respects Russ' word on Corax and how Russ and the Lion are working together. I could see the 1st and 6th LEGIONS in the 40k lore working together.
@@fraserweir2024, have you read Russ' primarch novel? It outlines that the Lion and Russ had reconciled, that they respected and appreciated each other and that the Lion gave him gifts. Russ and the Lion, according to the lore, developed a solid regard for one another. When it was thought that the Lion was dead, Russ wore sack cloth and ashes and removed himself to the deeps below the Fang to mourn, forsaking his sons for a time. That's not the reaction of somebody that does not appreciate the other.
I can’t believe it- Corax finally getting some attention from GW! He’s such an awesome character with a great backstory and shining record of kicking ass. I chose to make my Raven Guard Legion for 30K about 5-6 years ago and I’ve never regretted that choice. Corax and the XIXth came to the aid of Russ and his Wolves before, and they have never wavered in their loyalty. Thanks for covering this lore update, you’re the first person I’ve heard do so. I stopped buying every White Dwarf around when Covid started, but I’m planning on buying this new one. Can someone tell me which month’s issue it is?
So Corax/RG are badass, but for very different reasons than Dorn. Probably why they haven’t stood out to valrak. Dorn is all about big last stands, defenses, and major crusades. Cool stuff, but fundamentally different than raven guard, who are more about tactical withdrawals rather than holding the ground. They like to infiltrate and assassinate rather than crusade. So you wont find last wall protocol equivalent stories. But a sniper headshotting Horus, the gutting of Lorgar in probably the most one sided primarch fight ever, evading and surviving on Istivaan of all places when the iron hands and salamanders got completely slaughtered out of the gate, actually scaring nightlords.. These are the types of things that make them cool. Much like the White Scars, their actions delayed the Horus Heresy to buy time for Dorn to fortify terra. Its not glorious work, but it was essential. There’s cool examples of Corax being the consummate good guy. Saving populations from tyrants not because of strategy, but because someone needed to stand up for the well-being of common people, even if there remains bigger threats and needs. He was looking out to protect the values of humanity. The salamanders get the rep for being good guys, but Corax really was a champion for quality of life for people. So, excluding Istivaan, you dont get many large scale engagements. But you do get a lot of moments where small groups or individuals punch above their weight class and have major impact.
Even on istvaan some of the stuff he does on there is insane. Besides the lorgar fight, he just casually lands on an Iron Warriors predator, sending the back into the air and causing the one behind to crash into it before tearing its turret clean off. Outside of that, his ability to rally and unify broken and scattered remnants of imperial forces, single astartes ships or battered battle groups, earn their respect and fashion them into a fighting force that would prove costly to the traitors is pretty much unmatched. He even convinced an Imperial Fists ship captain to act as bait to lure away the escorts of a convoy while other raven guard ships slipped in with the stealth shields and tore the convoy apart. Source for this bit being the Corax book
Nice to see GW acknowleding my beakie boys for once! Most of our Black Library stuff suffers because its written by Gav Thorpe, but Corax: Lord of Shadows is a short and fun read/listen
Deliverance Lost is a good novel. But personally my fave Raven Guard story is actually not set in the Heresy. Sons of Corax see the Raven Guard 4th company help members of the Brazen Minotaurs in a war against Death Guard.
Val you have to remember that Corax is currently harassing Lorgar in the warp. And if there's a truly noble and worthy endeavor, it's murdering and torturing Word Bearers!
Raven Guard fanboy here (I apologize, this is gonna get long).. I grant you, I think the 19th don’t have as many cool scenes as many of the other legions… in a conventional, widely-seen-as-awesome massed military operational sense anyway. But the one scene that I immediately thought of when our brother Fist made his claim was their three-month long fighting retreat at Istavaan. Being able to pull of any kind of retreat with minimal loss of life in a war zone so totally under your enemies control, in the face of overwhelming numbers is insane. Most would probably call it impossible, but clearly the intel possessed by the enemy was such that they didn’t think Corax could still be active as a commander, much less leading thousands of men away from the Urgall Depression, otherwise they’d have gunshipped/otherwise used their resources to outmaneuver and obliterate the CRAP out of them. As horrible as the massacre was, it demonstrates in many ways why the Raven Guard and Corax are, in my opinion the coolest legion. Corax, unlike rage-blind Manus, performs as a leader of men should in such a situation (7 to 3 and utterly at the enemies mercy are not winnable odds however you slice it). He immediately calls a retreat, nearly kills Lorgar (a man arguably responsible for the whole damn betrayal in the first place), gathers together THOUSANDS and either drills out of or slips away from what was effectively a cage formed by the most elite fighting force the galaxy had ever seen, who had overwhelming numbers and military resources on them, thereby saving countless lives, the future of his legion, and arguably the Iron Hands and Salamanders too as the RG guerrilla tactics would be instrumental to their survival in the coming years. Not only that, he manages to survive, on the move, for THREE MONTHS. Not giving up, not making a last stand as Ferrus did immediately, but saving lives, holding out. And though the writing on it is brief, If that isn’t cool, I don’t know what is. I don’t think there is a single other primarch that could have accomplished that.
The Lion is getting in the spotlight a bit more now, I wonder if it has something to do with the Lion returning rumors (a bit of additional build-up for him before he wakes from his beauty sleep).
His wiki has always said he has a heavy bolter as his personal weapon. Much easier to lead your troops from the rear. When the betrayal happens, he's all lightning claws.
@@ChapterMasterValrak personally have not read a novel where he actually uses a heavy bolter, the wiki mentions it so it must be in a story or book somewhere. Although what I have read and made them my favorite Legion has been Deliverance Lost for Corax. Corax has quite a few short stories, so that book/audio is fantastic contains deliverance lost as well. He scares nightlords in one story. Sneaks up on some tech priests and uses his Primarch reputation to bring them to heel. Rams a flying city into another one with the tech boys help. Fights some traitors as well as traitor Ravens. Takes out two Interceptors with just his claws at supersonic speeds. The famous reflex shields as well as other stealth related tech is the chefs kiss The last one is by far the best "weregeld" if your going to listen or read anything that's the one. I won't spoil it, but it's one of my favorite 30k moments. Oh yeah, the "assault" on the perfect fortress. A classic Ravenguard move against Emperor's Children, made my a handful of Ravens supported by auxiliary troops take a fortress city in the most 007 way possible. Corax seeing Russ broken and dying in a cave as his son's desperately defend him to the last on a forgotten moon... Such a good scene.
Because he's "that guy" that we all know who has zero filter, thinks he's smarter than everyone else, constantly tells you so, has impossibly high standards that no one can meet including himself (but always manages to rationalize his own failures), knows he's an asshole and simply does not care.
Can’t help but think the outer circle is rolling his eyes on this new mark 6 lore. I’m loving this story. I’m really eager to learn about the siege of Baal
I’m just saying Rogal could have been at the meeting with Lion el Johnson Corvus Corax and Leman Russ. Instead he’s over terra waiting for the orks to drop a moon on his sons.
I think it's surprisingly mature of both of them that A) Lion listened to Russ and is actually calmed by Russ explaining that Corax can't be a traitor and B) that Russ tried to talk Lion into not blaming Corax for being in the shadows instead of ignoring the Lion or just trying to attack him (with fists or words) Good developement
The two brothers finally set aside the old grudge after they both nearly committed suicide via each other. Now, we get to see a glimpse of the bromance that always should have been.
After that litte accident with the Alpha Legion infiltration, the 19th Legion and Corax have been a star-player for the loyalist. With only about 4000-5000 marines Corax have been fighting a brilliant shadow-campaign against The Traitors. They were punching way way above their weight-class. And you know... saved both Russ and the entire remnant of the 6th Legion at Yarrent.
It makes you wonder... why tf were the RG sent to be frontline troops at Istvaan V? Like I''m glad they were shattered instead of say the SW, BA, or DA, (only because the RG are built for guerilla, small squad tactics, stealth more than the others), but remembering that battle Corax was mad at Horus for... That was dumb. Worked out in the end, but super dumb
@@jaskegoffii3968 You have to consider Rogal Dorns strategically position. He believed crushing Horus's prematurely discovered rebellion with every ouch of strength the Imperium could muster was the winning move. The 80.000 plus marines of the Ravenguard was a significant force, and they were marines. Perfectly capable of frontline warfare. Corax agreed with that plan of attack. Had the 4 back-up legions remained loyal, Ferrus Manus and his forces would have won the day.
@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen You're right. Then, that begs the question of why RD thought those reinforcements would just be loyal no question. Like, he really thought the 4th Legion would listen to him (just look at Perturabo, really?), the 8th Legion would follow his commands (Kurze.... nuff said), and the Alpha Legion could be trusted LMAOOO. The Word Bearers, they were kinda understandable.
@@jaskegoffii3968 Again. Would you truly expect the Emperor's Lord of Iron to turn traitor? Or the Emperor-worshipping Lorgar? But Dorn did actually get very concerned, when he learned that Konrad was leading the 8th in person. He tried to get in touch with Ferrus, but communication was very difficult because if the warp-storms Chaos was proving Horus with.
Did Valrak not read the post-Heresy Novella Sons of the Emperor story titled Shadow of the Past which explains what happened to Corax after he left the Imperium? Cause that story was the epitome of cool 😅
We talk about the roles that the primarchs were intended for a lot, and lore like this has been making me think that the Lion’s role wasn’t just a hunter, but an inquisitor. He seems like the template that the other inquisitors followed
@@graven2508 as far as we know one definitely, the other it's been thought that they fell fighting the Rangda But we also know that there were survivors that were integrated into the ultramarines and the imperial fists by intercession of Dorn and Guilliman so yeah it's confusing
This is just a fluffy way to give Dark Angels and Space Wolves players the new Mark VI armour. Just in time for the new releases form GW. These legions were constantly described as under supplied, and still heavily relying on Crusade Era Mk3 armour. Only getting very small amounts of the superior Mk4 due to Horus plotting. I love this bit of fluff expanding on the often forgotten legions away from Terra. I've been curious what happens to Russ after 2018's Wolfbane. & if/how Space Wolves would re-enter the heresy fighting.
Corax being pragmatic and thinking ahead as per usual. It's no point assaulting a planet etc if there is no planet left to control afterwards. He is the shadowed blade, the unseen and so it makes sense that the Lion wouldn't see what he has done. The fact that he granted the Dark Angels and Space Wolves the some of the scant resources he has access to, given how heavily guarded the technology and forges are, even from the adeptus mechanicus should be a sign he will support them. Personally, I'd like the see how the lion would react if he tried to fight the way he does with only a scant few thousand marines rather than tens of thousands he normally would.
Corvus Corax is currently in the Eye of Terror to hunt down and kill Lorgar. I don't remember its name, but there is a short story set just before Lorgar began his millenia long meditation on the nature of Chaos. Basically Demon Primarch of Chaos Undivided, Lorgar Aurelian, went into seclusion after an ass kicking from Corvus Corax.
The 9th black book actually mentions that the 1st Legion had most of the prototype Mk6 suits or something like that, so they not only had Mk6 but they had unique and improved Mk6.
The Hunt for Voldorius is a pretty cool novel where the White Scars team up with the Raven Guard to battle the Alpha Legion and a daemon prince named Voldorius. While the White Scars have somewhat of a bigger role to play, the Raven Guard feature very prominently.
What a hypocrite. We just talked about how the Lion just left the Imperial Fists to rot to go do what he wanted and then attached the guys that were there to ask for help to his crusade. I know he’s a badass but still the Lion really is a sod
In our Emperor's own words, "Fucking Confusing." The Lion is that one brother who gets on every, single, one of your nerves and always speaks like he knows better than you...and then the next minute, the guy is risking his life for you even when you never asked for help and never once asks for thanks.
and the thing is, the Lion doesn't give a shit if it gets the job done he will do it no matter how despicable, horrible or just inhumane it may be in his own words if the Emperor ordered to burn down the galaxy he would reply with "how cripsy you want it?"
@@Sigismund697 yep. the Lion's upbringing in a chaos spawn infested jungle, for years before Luther and the Knights of Caliban found him gave him a borderline autistic personality. He is loyal, and dedicated to the extreme, and underneath everything, he means well, but the Lion cannot really read or understand people, and doesn't understand how his actions and words can be taken, or how the actions of others can be due to duress etc. He is essentially a very, VERY high functioning Savant. Exceptional at many things, including warfare, strategy and personal combat, but when it comes to people, he cannot compute fully, at least in emotional terms, and when he believes something needs done for the greater needs of the Imperium, then he will do it, no matter what it takes or the cost; as long as the outcome is more important.
@@alexrose1ukv2 absolutely and completely agree with that assessment I remember how on one of the early heresy books it is said that without Luther Lion would have never united the knight orders of Caliban to hunt down all the beasts, it was Luther who helped him win the orders over to obey him when he sent Luther away he relied on Nemiel for a while to conduct the let's say, the human resources part of the management of the legion but once he killed him and Corswain took his place it was clear Corswain was more in line with his "do what I say" mentality so there was no one left to try to wrangle the Lion into more productive endeavors
@@Sigismund697 Yes I suspect his original design was indeed to be the Emperor's Warmaster. He was a strategic genius, and master combatant; essentially what Guilliman is to logistics, Lion El'Johnson is to warfare. Unfortunately when the Primarchs got scattered and he landed on Caliban, and had to grow up there for decades in the wilderness alone, he was robbed of some of the underlying emotional intelligence and personality traits such a person would require to hold everything together, and instead Horus became the fallback option due to his charisma and all round capability. The Imperium would have been a very different entity if a Lion El'Johnson with all his skills, and without the hit to his emotional intelligence and personal skills had come forwards. He was deathly loyal, so would have been almost impossible to bring to Chaos.
Dude Lion gets worse the more I learn about him. Screwing the Fists on Cthonia and Inwit, giving siege weapons to Perturabo, wanting to nuke Macragge, I’m surprised only half his legion turned. They probably looked at what Lion was doing and went “oh I guess we’re on the Warmaster’s side” Lion says “loyalty is it’s own reward” but I think he’s empty handed.
The Lion considers loyalty as complete blind one he gave the weapons to Perturabo because he didn't know he was a traitor at the time he wanted to nuke Macragge if that was the most efficient way of killing Curze who had been running circles around him and Guilliman for years and the half that turned did so because they either believed in Luther, believed only on the Emperor or believed Lion but not the Emperor or Luther And what's worse, most of betrayal was simply because the instant Lion couldn't not trust Luther 100% he was a liability even if he did turn off the nuke at the last minute and was the closest to an equal he had on Caliban
@@Knight-chaplainashriel hmm, where did he get this knowledge? He is no deathwing. And he seems to have much insight into the fallen's motivations...I think he may need a little chat...
I really liked Soulforge I think is called about the Raven Guard arriving to a Forge World that pledged itself to Horus and whose Archmagos is working on the first Defiler pretty neat story
Corax attacked and destroyed an entire convoy of Iron Warriors by himself on Istvaan, just to vent his anger. He also 1 manned an couple of planes in a dog fight using his flight pack. That's pretty cool
Dark Angels had early access to Mark 6 patterns as the 1st legion was the testing ground for much of the new toys, so my excuse was already well baked in ;)
I'm sorry, as a loyal son of Corax myself, it's Key-ah-vah, no Kav-ah-vah. I will not have my Chapter's system be sullied by pronunciation. Please be thankful that Inwit is easier to pronounce. Edit: I recommend Shadowmasters, Raptor, Raven's Flight, the Corax anthology and Deliverance Lost as prime material for HH Raven Guard. in the 42nd Millennium, The Geld, Soulbound, With Baited Breath, Helion Rain, Loss and Alone.
Idk the name of the story but there’s one badass story where corvus is basically a horror movie villain killing off a ton of chaos troops on like a prison camp it’s kewl sir
Still makes me wonder. Russ put the chip in Horus' armor, Sanguinius wore Horus down, and the Emp finished him off. If Horus had been at full strength and whatnot, how different the galaxy would have been.
Each primarch has a theme but Russ and the Lion always collided a bit because of their war-like nature. Feels like GW are slowly trying to move the Lion into a Warmaster/Inquisitor type while Russ is more of a Warrior/Hunter. ...Does it make Horus into a Warmaster/Bard originally? xD
Concept of RG is inspired by Edgar Allan Poe´s poem The Raven. Most of his work has themes of horror, despair, sadness and depression. Therefore the authors have chosen the Raven Guard to be one of the legions to be decimated at Isstvan III as it was a natural fit to emphasize the sensation of mourning and loss. Putting Corax into the role of a 80s action hero kicking a$$ 24/7 is counterproductive to this idea. So he naturally lurks in the shadows and lets his more gung-ho brothers take the limelight.
Thats the thing. It would be just as easy to bring back any of Corax, Lion, Russ, Khan or even Dorn so we don't have any proof yet and we will have to sit tight.
@@justinpreid no he will return during the end times which will never happen unless gw wants to die without warhammer specially 30k-40k they would become non existent
No, they'll nerf that to make sure Russ is back. Space wolves are 1 of their biggest sellers. Some rumors (and this would be a curve ball) say he could be before the Lion even.
I like the Raven Guard, I think all of the Istvaan V loyalist legions were let down by the HH novels, they could have and should have done much more with them, but I'm glad that the Raven Guard got a few good spotlight books on them, hopefully this means we get more dedicated novels in the future for legions neglected over the years
It's funny to see people's interpretation of events very differently even though it's pretty well spelled out. The Lion isn't going to be naive and just trust all his brothers. That could get alot of people and himself killed at a time of half the galaxy and his brothers turning traitor.
@@Tomoyuki_Tanaka It wasn't proven to be him and it was his adoptive father. I'm sure if The Lion was able to return to the surface of Caliban there would have been something that happened but they were attacked as soon they came into orbit.
Bro if you're looking for cool stuff on the Raven Guard, check out Deliverance Lost by Gav Thorp in the Horus Heresy series. Good for Primarch background and the formation of the Legion. If you've already read it, and it didn't do it for you, then there's the collection of short stories in Corax. All Raven Guard stuff. Cheers
Considering he can swap to normal at will? Not a big deal. That's just psychic powers at its finest. Remember how he used to be unseen at will? That's just that pumped up to eleven.
I just got into warhammer 40k this past few months and I got a question about here, have the other primarchs seen corax in his current state and were they ok about him being a bird?
@@Sigismund697 thank you I thought when I watched this video the lion, russ and corax or maybe just russ and corax already have seen each other but i guess corax is still hunting down lorgar.
Lion is calling out Corax partly because he knows that something is going wrong on Calliban. But he is ready to sacrifice it for the Emperor. To him the fact that someone hasn't done everything that they could to win is almost as bad as treason. That's why he didn't help with the siege of Inwit. He sacrificed his home for the cause. Why should he save the home of somebody else?
I wonder how The Lion reacts to Vulkan. The Lion can tell when people are lying and "Officially" Vulkan wasn't on Terra, but he could probably tell he was there and it was for a very important reason (Vulkan being the only Primarch BIg-E trusted with Terra's Dead Man Switch)
I've always thought that Corax had the coolest armour and weaponry of the Primarchs but the Raven Guard the least served by GW in terms of specific model representation and rules.
I think it's always a bit awkward when the narrative promise doesn't quite outshine a clumsy attempt at (reactively) marketing a product. Prior Planning Prevents Piss-Poor Performance. The "cool" factor of this meeting could have been anticipated instead of appropriated. I, personally, find it quite hard to get excited about the scene, the characterisation included and its implications when I can't reconcile it being anything beyond a hamfisted, ill-considered marketing ploy. For such a cool and in-depth setting as 'The Horus Heresy', frankly, I expect better.
The Lion does not, indeed, fuck around. I'd love to see some stories of the Lions Crusade of Vengeance running around and him and Russ messing up traitor world after traitor world, denying resources to Horus. Honestly, it probably does more good for Dorn on Terra that the Lion is doing what he's doing than his Legion being stood behind a wall
Oh my God listen to Ravens flight. It is epic when you listen to it you’ll realize that this is what you were made to do and joy sang through your veins. ps he kills iron warriors
The short story (‘Raven’s Flight’?) where Corax is escaping from Istvaan was quite cool, but yeah he really got a poor showing in the heresy novels overall. ‘Deliverance Lost’ was one of the worst heresy books and put me off reading more of them for a few weeks. He just came across as a bit dumb.
Hehe primarch bro trip lion and the wolf PUUURRRRGGGIIIINNNGGGG WIIIITHHHH MYYYYY KIIIIINN!!!!!! The raven Guys.....guys..... could we just not .....no here have some weapons then
Those poor Raven Guard the well form bonds of brother hood with the Wolfs and Dark Angels only to return and be mistrusted by there primarch and used as a forlorn hope to rid the legion of there "taint" much like the Terran RG.
Read The Short Story "Shadows of the Past"... CORAX GOES FULL SUPER SAIYAN GOD MODE!! And Then The CORVUS CORAX HORUS HERESY novel by Gav Thorpe... Raven Guard beating up on The Word Bearers (FUCK EREBUS!!), AND The Dark Mechanicum. Excellent Reads..
Corax is the best. Really wish GW published more on him. "7 Legions were sent to kill me on Istvaan, and here I am. You cannot kill me." I'd like to see the Lion make that boast.
russ understands corax's decision to not remain on terra and instead hunt down the traitors to waste as much of their force as they can before they reach terra in order to weaken them. its a similar decision he took with the wolves.
They can’t really play defense…. They got dunked on….. so go offense
Yeah if the Raven Guard went to Terra to act as basic front line troops like Dorn wanted then they probably would have been wiped out completely; they are stealth experts, so to send them to stand on a wall firing their bolters at waves of oncoming troops is a waste of their talents when they would be much better suited by harassing the enemy's rear guard to distract their attention (meaning the traitors would need to take forces from the front to counter these attacks), and also interrupting their supply lines to "starve" them out of the siege and force them to give it up early from a lack of food, equipment, and reinforcements
@@thesyndrome43 Corax could have taken liberties the same way the Khan did
@@FYAjibber000 hmm good point
As a SW player, I think the fact that Russ was the mediator means shit went HARD sideways during the Heresy
So true, Russ being the voice of reason 😂
Russ and Corax always got on well. Russ even talked Corax out of suiciding when he was at his lowest. He has a Big brother thing going on for Corax that he simply doesn't for the Lion.
@@rankcolour8780 being the second Primarch found, Russ always tried to be the older brother to most of his siblings, I’m glad it worked out for once
@@sorufa888 It seemed to go well with Lorgar, for what it's worth.
Problem with Primarchs is not many of the 20 semi warp gods trapped in meat socks actually had much brotherly feelings in them. Kind of speaks volumes really that one of the few that tried actually was Russ.
What a nutty family.
Russ likes to play the role of the buffoon and the boisterous barbarian king when things are going well, because it makes people drop their guard around him both for good and ill (on the one hand he can find out which of his brothers have a sense of humour and develop a kinship with them, on the other the less loyal people might end up revealing something to him thinking he's too stupid to pick up on it) but it's been mentioned time and time again that certain people see through this ruse and can tell that he's putting on an act to test people.
The heresy was really interesting as a Space Wolf fan, because we see Leman get more and more serious as time goes on, he still has jokes and a certain countenance to him, but the facade of "the barbarian king" was slipping, and you see him be much more measured and serious, even in Wolfsbane when he is explaining to Malcador why he is choosing to take his legion on the attack rather than defending Terra, he made a very quiet and meticulous argument about his reasoning, never giving into emotion or being so consumed by anger that he is doing a pointless suicide run like Angron would do, but instead saying that his legion works better by attacking than defending, and if he CAN deal a lethal strike to Horus before he reaches Terra then he will save the planet before the invasion even reaches it, which I think are both fair points
Funny thing is corax was fighting dude by side with him the entire camping he was just really really sneaky.
Love these 3 primarchs!
Notice how the Lion respects Russ' word on Corax and how Russ and the Lion are working together.
I could see the 1st and 6th LEGIONS in the 40k lore working together.
"Working together", is that Lion and Wolf code for "only hitting each other behind closed doors?
@@fraserweir2024, have you read Russ' primarch novel?
It outlines that the Lion and Russ had reconciled, that they respected and appreciated each other and that the Lion gave him gifts.
Russ and the Lion, according to the lore, developed a solid regard for one another.
When it was thought that the Lion was dead, Russ wore sack cloth and ashes and removed himself to the deeps below the Fang to mourn, forsaking his sons for a time.
That's not the reaction of somebody that does not appreciate the other.
I can’t believe it- Corax finally getting some attention from GW! He’s such an awesome character with a great backstory and shining record of kicking ass. I chose to make my Raven Guard Legion for 30K about 5-6 years ago and I’ve never regretted that choice. Corax and the XIXth came to the aid of Russ and his Wolves before, and they have never wavered in their loyalty. Thanks for covering this lore update, you’re the first person I’ve heard do so. I stopped buying every White Dwarf around when Covid started, but I’m planning on buying this new one. Can someone tell me which month’s issue it is?
So Corax/RG are badass, but for very different reasons than Dorn. Probably why they haven’t stood out to valrak. Dorn is all about big last stands, defenses, and major crusades. Cool stuff, but fundamentally different than raven guard, who are more about tactical withdrawals rather than holding the ground. They like to infiltrate and assassinate rather than crusade. So you wont find last wall protocol equivalent stories.
But a sniper headshotting Horus, the gutting of Lorgar in probably the most one sided primarch fight ever, evading and surviving on Istivaan of all places when the iron hands and salamanders got completely slaughtered out of the gate, actually scaring nightlords.. These are the types of things that make them cool.
Much like the White Scars, their actions delayed the Horus Heresy to buy time for Dorn to fortify terra. Its not glorious work, but it was essential. There’s cool examples of Corax being the consummate good guy. Saving populations from tyrants not because of strategy, but because someone needed to stand up for the well-being of common people, even if there remains bigger threats and needs. He was looking out to protect the values of humanity. The salamanders get the rep for being good guys, but Corax really was a champion for quality of life for people.
So, excluding Istivaan, you dont get many large scale engagements. But you do get a lot of moments where small groups or individuals punch above their weight class and have major impact.
Even on istvaan some of the stuff he does on there is insane. Besides the lorgar fight, he just casually lands on an Iron Warriors predator, sending the back into the air and causing the one behind to crash into it before tearing its turret clean off.
Outside of that, his ability to rally and unify broken and scattered remnants of imperial forces, single astartes ships or battered battle groups, earn their respect and fashion them into a fighting force that would prove costly to the traitors is pretty much unmatched. He even convinced an Imperial Fists ship captain to act as bait to lure away the escorts of a convoy while other raven guard ships slipped in with the stealth shields and tore the convoy apart. Source for this bit being the Corax book
The irony of the Lion going for a nap later on.
Bit rich from him isn’t it lol
Nice to see GW acknowleding my beakie boys for once! Most of our Black Library stuff suffers because its written by Gav Thorpe, but Corax: Lord of Shadows is a short and fun read/listen
Agreed. Raven Guard, Iron Hands, and Alpha legion are probably the least acknowledged legions.
I feel your pain. Dark Angels got a lot from Gav Thorpe too.
As a Ynnari player, I feel your Thorpe pain too
I was extremely happy with Deliverance lost and Corax, especially Weregeld, the best novella written thus far in the heresy.
Love the comment that Corax knows what befalls to those that are not proving themselves to the Lion standards.
Lion: "Where we're you during the battl..."
** Hears whisper of Fallen and disappears
Deliverance Lost is a good novel. But personally my fave Raven Guard story is actually not set in the Heresy. Sons of Corax see the Raven Guard 4th company help members of the Brazen Minotaurs in a war against Death Guard.
Val you have to remember that Corax is currently harassing Lorgar in the warp. And if there's a truly noble and worthy endeavor, it's murdering and torturing Word Bearers!
Raven Guard fanboy here (I apologize, this is gonna get long).. I grant you, I think the 19th don’t have as many cool scenes as many of the other legions… in a conventional,
widely-seen-as-awesome massed military operational sense anyway. But the one scene that I immediately thought of when our brother Fist made his claim was their three-month long fighting retreat at Istavaan.
Being able to pull of any kind of retreat with minimal loss of life in a war zone so totally under your enemies control, in the face of overwhelming numbers is insane. Most would probably call it impossible, but clearly the intel possessed by the enemy was such that they didn’t think Corax could still be active as a commander, much less leading thousands of men away from the Urgall Depression, otherwise they’d have gunshipped/otherwise used their resources to outmaneuver and obliterate the CRAP out of them.
As horrible as the massacre was, it demonstrates in many ways why the Raven Guard and Corax are, in my opinion the coolest legion. Corax, unlike rage-blind Manus, performs as a leader of men should in such a situation (7 to 3 and utterly at the enemies mercy are not winnable odds however you slice it). He immediately calls a retreat, nearly kills Lorgar (a man arguably responsible for the whole damn betrayal in the first place), gathers together THOUSANDS and either drills out of or slips away from what was effectively a cage formed by the most elite fighting force the galaxy had ever seen, who had overwhelming numbers and military resources on them, thereby saving countless lives, the future of his legion, and arguably the Iron Hands and Salamanders too as the RG guerrilla tactics would be instrumental to their survival in the coming years.
Not only that, he manages to survive, on the move, for THREE MONTHS. Not giving up, not making a last stand as Ferrus did immediately, but saving lives, holding out. And though the writing on it is brief, If that isn’t cool, I don’t know what is. I don’t think there is a single other primarch that could have accomplished that.
The Lion is getting in the spotlight a bit more now, I wonder if it has something to do with the Lion returning rumors (a bit of additional build-up for him before he wakes from his beauty sleep).
Corax duel wielding two heavy bolsters was pretty freaking cool.
His wiki has always said he has a heavy bolter as his personal weapon.
Much easier to lead your troops from the rear.
When the betrayal happens, he's all lightning claws.
What book?
@@ChapterMasterValrak personally have not read a novel where he actually uses a heavy bolter, the wiki mentions it so it must be in a story or book somewhere.
Although what I have read and made them my favorite Legion has been Deliverance Lost for Corax.
Corax has quite a few short stories, so that book/audio is fantastic contains deliverance lost as well.
He scares nightlords in one story.
Sneaks up on some tech priests and uses his Primarch reputation to bring them to heel.
Rams a flying city into another one with the tech boys help.
Fights some traitors as well as traitor Ravens.
Takes out two Interceptors with just his claws at supersonic speeds.
The famous reflex shields as well as other stealth related tech is the chefs kiss
The last one is by far the best "weregeld" if your going to listen or read anything that's the one.
I won't spoil it, but it's one of my favorite 30k moments.
Oh yeah, the "assault" on the perfect fortress.
A classic Ravenguard move against Emperor's Children, made my a handful of Ravens supported by auxiliary troops take a fortress city in the most 007 way possible.
Corax seeing Russ broken and dying in a cave as his son's desperately defend him to the last on a forgotten moon... Such a good scene.
I’m writing some lore right now. It’s called ‘A conversation with Valrak’. Can’t wait to share it. :-)
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Man lionel just never gives his bros a moment of actual respect sometimes lmao
Because he's "that guy" that we all know who has zero filter, thinks he's smarter than everyone else, constantly tells you so, has impossibly high standards that no one can meet including himself (but always manages to rationalize his own failures), knows he's an asshole and simply does not care.
That whole white dwarf article was brilliant 👍
interrogator chaplain : "Brother, If you keep up your work on spreading of Lion words, you might inducted into inner circle"
I’ve got to say that this is one of the better WD articles that I’ve enjoyed in a while. Short and punchy but full of info and plenty of nuance.
I love the stuff in the new white dwarf! The lion, russ, and corax coming together is aces!
I'm liking that Corax is getting more story telling, he's really my favorite primarch
I always love seeing the Primarchs interact in peace
Can’t help but think the outer circle is rolling his eyes on this new mark 6 lore. I’m loving this story. I’m really eager to learn about the siege of Baal
Meanwhile Dorn is sitting on his spaceship over terra doing nothing
He got a private sandbox, a small shovel and bucket in his private room to make sand castles with
I mean, he literally flew to Pluto and killed Alpharius (or was it Omegon?).
I’m just saying Rogal could have been at the meeting with Lion el Johnson Corvus Corax and Leman Russ. Instead he’s over terra waiting for the orks to drop a moon on his sons.
I think it's surprisingly mature of both of them that A) Lion listened to Russ and is actually calmed by Russ explaining that Corax can't be a traitor and B) that Russ tried to talk Lion into not blaming Corax for being in the shadows instead of ignoring the Lion or just trying to attack him (with fists or words)
Good developement
The two brothers finally set aside the old grudge after they both nearly committed suicide via each other. Now, we get to see a glimpse of the bromance that always should have been.
i mean all the lion has done is given perty siege weapons and kidnapped some poor wayward fists
And pummeled the ever loving shit out of the Night Lords
Are we supposed to not know about the debacle about Imperium Secundus?
After that litte accident with the Alpha Legion infiltration, the 19th Legion and Corax have been a star-player for the loyalist. With only about 4000-5000 marines Corax have been fighting a brilliant shadow-campaign against The Traitors. They were punching way way above their weight-class. And you know... saved both Russ and the entire remnant of the 6th Legion at Yarrent.
It makes you wonder... why tf were the RG sent to be frontline troops at Istvaan V? Like I''m glad they were shattered instead of say the SW, BA, or DA, (only because the RG are built for guerilla, small squad tactics, stealth more than the others), but remembering that battle Corax was mad at Horus for... That was dumb. Worked out in the end, but super dumb
@@jaskegoffii3968 You have to consider Rogal Dorns strategically position. He believed crushing Horus's prematurely discovered rebellion with every ouch of strength the Imperium could muster was the winning move. The 80.000 plus marines of the Ravenguard was a significant force, and they were marines. Perfectly capable of frontline warfare. Corax agreed with that plan of attack. Had the 4 back-up legions remained loyal, Ferrus Manus and his forces would have won the day.
@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen You're right. Then, that begs the question of why RD thought those reinforcements would just be loyal no question. Like, he really thought the 4th Legion would listen to him (just look at Perturabo, really?), the 8th Legion would follow his commands (Kurze.... nuff said), and the Alpha Legion could be trusted LMAOOO. The Word Bearers, they were kinda understandable.
@@jaskegoffii3968 Again. Would you truly expect the Emperor's Lord of Iron to turn traitor? Or the Emperor-worshipping Lorgar?
But Dorn did actually get very concerned, when he learned that Konrad was leading the 8th in person. He tried to get in touch with Ferrus, but communication was very difficult because if the warp-storms Chaos was proving Horus with.
Did Valrak not read the post-Heresy Novella Sons of the Emperor story titled Shadow of the Past which explains what happened to Corax after he left the Imperium? Cause that story was the epitome of cool 😅
The only time Gav Thorpe made justice to Corax.
We talk about the roles that the primarchs were intended for a lot, and lore like this has been making me think that the Lion’s role wasn’t just a hunter, but an inquisitor. He seems like the template that the other inquisitors followed
in his own words if Russ and his wolves are a warning he and the Dark Angels are a solution
A final Solution
@@Sigismund697 but wasnt it the wolves who made those 2missing legions...m issing?
@@graven2508 as far as we know one definitely, the other it's been thought that they fell fighting the Rangda
But we also know that there were survivors that were integrated into the ultramarines and the imperial fists by intercession of Dorn and Guilliman so yeah it's confusing
This is just a fluffy way to give Dark Angels and Space Wolves players the new Mark VI armour. Just in time for the new releases form GW.
These legions were constantly described as under supplied, and still heavily relying on Crusade Era Mk3 armour. Only getting very small amounts of the superior Mk4 due to Horus plotting. I love this bit of fluff expanding on the often forgotten legions away from Terra. I've been curious what happens to Russ after 2018's Wolfbane. & if/how Space Wolves would re-enter the heresy fighting.
Raven’s Flight is a badass audio drama for the RG. Corax just wrecking Iron Warriors with a heavy bolter amongst other things
Agreed on Corax. Seems a great opportunity to show some great feats and he just sits it out.
Corax being pragmatic and thinking ahead as per usual. It's no point assaulting a planet etc if there is no planet left to control afterwards. He is the shadowed blade, the unseen and so it makes sense that the Lion wouldn't see what he has done. The fact that he granted the Dark Angels and Space Wolves the some of the scant resources he has access to, given how heavily guarded the technology and forges are, even from the adeptus mechanicus should be a sign he will support them. Personally, I'd like the see how the lion would react if he tried to fight the way he does with only a scant few thousand marines rather than tens of thousands he normally would.
Also there’s some artwork where Corax has a bob like Uma Thurman in Pulp Fiction. Worked on her but makes him look a bit dorky.
Corvus Corax is currently in the Eye of Terror to hunt down and kill Lorgar.
I don't remember its name, but there is a short story set just before Lorgar began his millenia long meditation on the nature of Chaos. Basically Demon Primarch of Chaos Undivided, Lorgar Aurelian, went into seclusion after an ass kicking from Corvus Corax.
That just abolished all hope of seeing Corax return to Terra to aid in the defense in the next or the last book.
I imagine the ravens would be pretty active during the Scouring that follows however
Love Russ and Corax are like..Alight big bro...whatever you say mate....they can tell he is pissed.
Russ and the lion the dynamic duo
The 9th black book actually mentions that the 1st Legion had most of the prototype Mk6 suits or something like that, so they not only had Mk6 but they had unique and improved Mk6.
Corax is the most underrated Primarch of all...and that's coming from me.
0:00 Your accent is so strong that the auto captions misunderstood it as the “horus eraser”. Good video.
The Hunt for Voldorius is a pretty cool novel where the White Scars team up with the Raven Guard to battle the Alpha Legion and a daemon prince named Voldorius. While the White Scars have somewhat of a bigger role to play, the Raven Guard feature very prominently.
What a hypocrite. We just talked about how the Lion just left the Imperial Fists to rot to go do what he wanted and then attached the guys that were there to ask for help to his crusade. I know he’s a badass but still the Lion really is a sod
In our Emperor's own words, "Fucking Confusing."
The Lion is that one brother who gets on every, single, one of your nerves and always speaks like he knows better than you...and then the next minute, the guy is risking his life for you even when you never asked for help and never once asks for thanks.
and the thing is, the Lion doesn't give a shit
if it gets the job done he will do it
no matter how despicable, horrible or just inhumane it may be
in his own words if the Emperor ordered to burn down the galaxy he would reply with "how cripsy you want it?"
@@Sigismund697 yep. the Lion's upbringing in a chaos spawn infested jungle, for years before Luther and the Knights of Caliban found him gave him a borderline autistic personality. He is loyal, and dedicated to the extreme, and underneath everything, he means well, but the Lion cannot really read or understand people, and doesn't understand how his actions and words can be taken, or how the actions of others can be due to duress etc. He is essentially a very, VERY high functioning Savant. Exceptional at many things, including warfare, strategy and personal combat, but when it comes to people, he cannot compute fully, at least in emotional terms, and when he believes something needs done for the greater needs of the Imperium, then he will do it, no matter what it takes or the cost; as long as the outcome is more important.
@@alexrose1ukv2 absolutely and completely agree with that assessment I remember how on one of the early heresy books it is said that without Luther Lion would have never united the knight orders of Caliban to hunt down all the beasts, it was Luther who helped him win the orders over to obey him
when he sent Luther away he relied on Nemiel for a while to conduct the let's say, the human resources part of the management of the legion but once he killed him and Corswain took his place it was clear Corswain was more in line with his "do what I say" mentality so there was no one left to try to wrangle the Lion into more productive endeavors
@@Sigismund697 Yes I suspect his original design was indeed to be the Emperor's Warmaster. He was a strategic genius, and master combatant; essentially what Guilliman is to logistics, Lion El'Johnson is to warfare. Unfortunately when the Primarchs got scattered and he landed on Caliban, and had to grow up there for decades in the wilderness alone, he was robbed of some of the underlying emotional intelligence and personality traits such a person would require to hold everything together, and instead Horus became the fallback option due to his charisma and all round capability.
The Imperium would have been a very different entity if a Lion El'Johnson with all his skills, and without the hit to his emotional intelligence and personal skills had come forwards. He was deathly loyal, so would have been almost impossible to bring to Chaos.
Dude Lion gets worse the more I learn about him. Screwing the Fists on Cthonia and Inwit, giving siege weapons to Perturabo, wanting to nuke Macragge, I’m surprised only half his legion turned. They probably looked at what Lion was doing and went “oh I guess we’re on the Warmaster’s side”
Lion says “loyalty is it’s own reward” but I think he’s empty handed.
The Lion considers loyalty as complete blind one
he gave the weapons to Perturabo because he didn't know he was a traitor at the time
he wanted to nuke Macragge if that was the most efficient way of killing Curze who had been running circles around him and Guilliman for years
and the half that turned did so because they either believed in Luther, believed only on the Emperor or believed Lion but not the Emperor or Luther
And what's worse, most of betrayal was simply because the instant Lion couldn't not trust Luther 100% he was a liability even if he did turn off the nuke at the last minute and was the closest to an equal he had on Caliban
@@Sigismund697 My Man Sigismund laying down some serious 1st Legion knowledge!!
@@Knight-chaplainashriel hmm, where did he get this knowledge? He is no deathwing. And he seems to have much insight into the fallen's motivations...I think he may need a little chat...
I really liked Soulforge I think is called about the Raven Guard arriving to a Forge World that pledged itself to Horus and whose Archmagos is working on the first Defiler
pretty neat story
Corax attacked and destroyed an entire convoy of Iron Warriors by himself on Istvaan, just to vent his anger. He also 1 manned an couple of planes in a dog fight using his flight pack. That's pretty cool
Dark Angels had early access to Mark 6 patterns as the 1st legion was the testing ground for much of the new toys, so my excuse was already well baked in ;)
The raven guard are so over the top emo and edgy I can't help but enjoy them. It's like Bully Parker and his hot topic troopers.
In the gate of bones an iron warrior has a flashback to the horror of facing an enraged corax on istvan
Corax: Lord of Shadows is definitely a good read for Raven Guard, you get to see a lot of different sides of Corax and the legion in general
Read Deliverance lost and his Primarch book. I think its ok to question a little, but Corax is very loyal.
I'm sorry, as a loyal son of Corax myself, it's Key-ah-vah, no Kav-ah-vah. I will not have my Chapter's system be sullied by pronunciation. Please be thankful that Inwit is easier to pronounce.
Edit: I recommend Shadowmasters, Raptor, Raven's Flight, the Corax anthology and Deliverance Lost as prime material for HH Raven Guard. in the 42nd Millennium, The Geld, Soulbound, With Baited Breath, Helion Rain, Loss and Alone.
Lmao name it simpler you shadow scrub
@@ChapterMasterValrak I mean the the moon now known as Deliverance was originally called Lycaeus, try pronouncing that one lol
Idk the name of the story but there’s one badass story where corvus is basically a horror movie villain killing off a ton of chaos troops on like a prison camp it’s kewl sir
You kind of proved a point I made a while back about the Dark Angels being the predecessor to the inquisition. Innocence proves nothing.
If he comes back i would love to see an interaction between the Lion and the Inquisition! we all know how Russ would react! :)
Still makes me wonder. Russ put the chip in Horus' armor, Sanguinius wore Horus down, and the Emp finished him off. If Horus had been at full strength and whatnot, how different the galaxy would have been.
He was not only full strength, he was simultaneously possessed by all 4 Chaos gods.
Its funny how much the inquisition and The Lion actually have in regards to mentality.
More corvus is always nice to see
Each primarch has a theme but Russ and the Lion always collided a bit because of their war-like nature.
Feels like GW are slowly trying to move the Lion into a Warmaster/Inquisitor type while Russ is more of a Warrior/Hunter.
...Does it make Horus into a Warmaster/Bard originally? xD
Concept of RG is inspired by Edgar Allan Poe´s poem The Raven. Most of his work has themes of horror, despair, sadness and depression. Therefore the authors have chosen the Raven Guard to be one of the legions to be decimated at Isstvan III as it was a natural fit to emphasize the sensation of mourning and loss. Putting Corax into the role of a 80s action hero kicking a$$ 24/7 is counterproductive to this idea. So he naturally lurks in the shadows and lets his more gung-ho brothers take the limelight.
Great video. I’ve noticed Corax’s name being dropped a lot lately. Could we have two Primarchs returning?
Thats the thing.
It would be just as easy to bring back any of Corax, Lion, Russ, Khan or even Dorn so we don't have any proof yet and we will have to sit tight.
Yeah, Russ is next
@@justinpreid no he will return during the end times which will never happen unless gw wants to die without warhammer specially 30k-40k they would become non existent
No, they'll nerf that to make sure Russ is back. Space wolves are 1 of their biggest sellers. Some rumors (and this would be a curve ball) say he could be before the Lion even.
Corax isn't really even mortal anymore. He's basically a living shadow in the EOT hunting Chaos.
Is all this Lion talk a prelude to him coming back in the 10th?
I like the Raven Guard, I think all of the Istvaan V loyalist legions were let down by the HH novels, they could have and should have done much more with them, but I'm glad that the Raven Guard got a few good spotlight books on them, hopefully this means we get more dedicated novels in the future for legions neglected over the years
Raven lard is in the rift kicking ass how is that not bad ass
wth how much the Raven guard and Corax lost in the heresy he has no right to question him.
It's funny to see people's interpretation of events very differently even though it's pretty well spelled out. The Lion isn't going to be naive and just trust all his brothers. That could get alot of people and himself killed at a time of half the galaxy and his brothers turning traitor.
And yet Luther...
@@popburnsy3207 What was he supposed to do exactly?
@@postwar142 I wonder if he shouldn't have banished Luther after that nuke incident? Would things have turned out differently?
@@Tomoyuki_Tanaka It wasn't proven to be him and it was his adoptive father. I'm sure if The Lion was able to return to the surface of Caliban there would have been something that happened but they were attacked as soon they came into orbit.
@@postwar142 yeah, true.
A video about Primarchs from Valrak with Corax on the thumbnail?! He is okay?! Perhaps he has started to understand that Corax is a cool Primarch.
You should read the Corax anthology from the Heresy. It and weregeld (that it contains) are solid.
I hope Corax offscreens Logar.
Remember the Therion Cohort, betrayed by Corax!
Bro if you're looking for cool stuff on the Raven Guard, check out Deliverance Lost by Gav Thorp in the Horus Heresy series. Good for Primarch background and the formation of the Legion. If you've already read it, and it didn't do it for you, then there's the collection of short stories in Corax. All Raven Guard stuff. Cheers
New 30k lore? Isnt that a bit like finding a new 16th century King?
Nah, that’s new real life lore.
@@mileshill7196 i mean its anachronistic
Isn't there a story where demon bird version of Corax stalks and hunts Lorgar
Corax and Dorn are the best!
Given that Corax is now some sort of half warp monster, I wonder how Guillimen and the Lion would react to seeing their brother now.
Considering he can swap to normal at will? Not a big deal. That's just psychic powers at its finest. Remember how he used to be unseen at will? That's just that pumped up to eleven.
@@fortheswarmlord3250 Interesting.
Everyone loves the lion or the wolf I personally want to see one of their brothers kick their ass preferably vulcan
I just got into warhammer 40k this past few months and I got a question about here, have the other primarchs seen corax in his current state and were they ok about him being a bird?
as far was we know, no, no one knows Corax has turned into a shadowbird and is hunting down Lorgar other than Lorgar himself and that WB who survived
@@Sigismund697 thank you I thought when I watched this video the lion, russ and corax or maybe just russ and corax already have seen each other but i guess corax is still hunting down lorgar.
19th ftw! Sneaky beakys lead the way!
Do you think the dead primarchs will come back in 40k?
Lion is calling out Corax partly because he knows that something is going wrong on Calliban. But he is ready to sacrifice it for the Emperor. To him the fact that someone hasn't done everything that they could to win is almost as bad as treason. That's why he didn't help with the siege of Inwit. He sacrificed his home for the cause. Why should he save the home of somebody else?
I wonder how The Lion reacts to Vulkan. The Lion can tell when people are lying and "Officially" Vulkan wasn't on Terra, but he could probably tell he was there and it was for a very important reason (Vulkan being the only Primarch BIg-E trusted with Terra's Dead Man Switch)
if Vulkan said "the Emperor ordered it" he would probably approve
Just read the heresry book corax I think it's book 40 in the series it shows corax at his best I think
the lion would be more respectable if he was more humble and less proud
I've always thought that Corax had the coolest armour and weaponry of the Primarchs but the Raven Guard the least served by GW in terms of specific model representation and rules.
Check out the First Heretic
I think it's always a bit awkward when the narrative promise doesn't quite outshine a clumsy attempt at (reactively) marketing a product. Prior Planning Prevents Piss-Poor Performance. The "cool" factor of this meeting could have been anticipated instead of appropriated. I, personally, find it quite hard to get excited about the scene, the characterisation included and its implications when I can't reconcile it being anything beyond a hamfisted, ill-considered marketing ploy. For such a cool and in-depth setting as 'The Horus Heresy', frankly, I expect better.
The Lion does not, indeed, fuck around. I'd love to see some stories of the Lions Crusade of Vengeance running around and him and Russ messing up traitor world after traitor world, denying resources to Horus. Honestly, it probably does more good for Dorn on Terra that the Lion is doing what he's doing than his Legion being stood behind a wall
Oh my God listen to Ravens flight. It is epic when you listen to it you’ll realize that this is what you were made to do and joy sang through your veins. ps he kills iron warriors
Key-a-varr.
Yes
Lion saying bad things about corax while he is being utterly useless, smh. Like goes to deliverence, but cannot go to Inwit, fml
Nice
FINALLY, my emo beaky bois gets the attention they deserve
The short story (‘Raven’s Flight’?) where Corax is escaping from Istvaan was quite cool, but yeah he really got a poor showing in the heresy novels overall. ‘Deliverance Lost’ was one of the worst heresy books and put me off reading more of them for a few weeks. He just came across as a bit dumb.
Sir. I told you this in private...
Hehe primarch bro trip
lion and the wolf
PUUURRRRGGGIIIINNNGGGG WIIIITHHHH MYYYYY KIIIIINN!!!!!!
The raven
Guys.....guys..... could we just not .....no here have some weapons then
Those poor Raven Guard the well form bonds of brother hood with the Wolfs and Dark Angels only to return and be mistrusted by there primarch and used as a forlorn hope to rid the legion of there "taint" much like the Terran RG.
Read The Short Story "Shadows of the Past"...
CORAX GOES FULL SUPER SAIYAN GOD MODE!!
And Then The CORVUS CORAX HORUS HERESY novel by Gav Thorpe... Raven Guard beating up on The Word Bearers (FUCK EREBUS!!),
AND The Dark Mechanicum.
Excellent Reads..