I hated that stuff. We had it when I played high school ball and I couldn't get used to it. It was aggravating, your fingers stick together, there was grass and dirt mixed in, feathers, hair...you name it. It was worse than pine sap, it got on everything, you made a mess trying to use the sink to get it off, which was another hassle. I think I used it twice and never again. That being said, I would have loved to have the gloves they have now.
I feel you, same era, born in 1968. Gloves were almost nonexistent, especially in rural KS. Stickum was not available, so we used the sticky spray the trainers used for taping ankles. We found that if you coated baseball batting gloves fairly heavily you could swap gloves whenever they got covered in dirt, grass, etc.
I remember watching a game when Stickum use was so bad that they had to keep changing the balls any time a receiver touched one. Their hands looked like they were coated in thick grease and the probably could have caught a ball fired from a canon with just a finger tip. IIFC even Madden made a comment on how bad the stick'em use was.
Seems like people either forgot or ignore these situations man the Raiders were even proud of it or knew any or most of the ways to do so but gloves nowadays are better then ever
It's like you said. A big impetus for the ban was Lester Hayes screwing up the ball for the Oilers. If that hadn't happened, there wouldn't have been as much of a desire to ban the stuff. No one cared that much whether a player had an advantage holding the ball. People just didn't want to bump into someone and be covered in glue.
Yeah. The competitive “advantage” was equally available to every team and player, so it was hardly cheating. Just equipment managers didn’t want to deal with it
Everyone clowns Bellicheck as a cheat, but Lombardi of all people was known to film other teams practices. Everything you can imagine giving any advantage is being done in the NFL. It's usually just hushed up bc of the gambling money involved. No team is innocent bc everyone, top to bottom, other than the owner has their livelihood on the line
The thing I don’t understand is it’s literally allowed for teams to film other teams, you just have to be in a certain area. So why was it really a big deal
I know you are trying to defend Bill but the frustrating thing about your comment is that the patriots never filmed any teams practices. It is such a false narrative that took off and still to this day people think happened. The Patriots filmed signs during the game. Everyone in the freaking stadium can see the signs. It was a complete joke that they got penalized like they did.
Odell Beckham Jr made his entire career off of silicone gloves. I've been telling people for years that the famous catch vs the Cowboys was due to performance enhancing gloves.
It’s both really. He’s athletic enough to make that catch but the gloves definitely made it easier. I still think you gotta be really talented to be able to physically make that grab but the gloves also helped.
Stickum was very helpful for tackling as well. I used it on my hands and shoulder pads. It was not illegal at that time so there was no problem. Stickum did exactly what you would expect. It allowed you to stick a little more to the ball carrier. It also helped me easily take the ball from running backs if they did not have two hands on the ball.
Lester “The Molester Hayes”, stickum or no stickum was one of the best cover corners ever. He and Mike Haynes were the best shut down corners ever. They elevated the art of DB coverage where it was exciting just to watch the two play. Lott and Wright across the Bay were also a blast to watch. Awww. The good old days.
You really have to hand it to Fred Biletnikoff for being bold enough to take advantage of an opportunity that there were no rules against. Even if he wouldn’t have had the same abilities as a receiver just using gloves, he was arguably a brilliant player because of it.
Funny that the Chargers receivers had the best hands in football and never used stickum even though it would have gone so well with their uniforms. Ironically John Jefferson who caught everything in sight and out of sight in the regular season proceeded to drop every pass thrown to him in the AFC Championship game vs the Raiders. He could have used some stickum on that day ...or perhaps some high quality H20
All these people that focus on stick em don’t seem to realize that modern receiver gloves make a guy that used to have bad hands in the 70s and 80s who would have been considered great in every other way, but completely limited and could turn them into an all pro…. That’s right, simply giving them modern receiver gloves. It works 100 times better than stick em. An eighth of an inch of incredibly soft and tacky material that collapses on impact makes a guy with small hands, have the same surface area as DeAndre Hopkins. It also makes you not have to absorb and move your hand placement at all, because peoples hands do not naturally have fat … gloves, basically add eight layers of extra skin that is completely gelatinous with a bunch of spikes that are rubber that act as cleats. In the old days, it mattered if you put more pressure on your middle finger or your forefinger and balls with squirt out constantly. They made ridges larger on footballs, and now the gloves fit inside the micro ridges and the seams. In 1980 2% of receivers could catch a ball one-handed. Now 98% of the league can. Stick did make your hands more tacky. But unless you moved your arms and fingers perfectly like shock absorbers, it was still going to bounce off unless you had big enough hands to wrap the ball or had perfect hand placement on every throw you would continue to bounce out of your hands. Add to the fact, the defenders are hitting the ball, could straight up level receivers who were not protected at all and you really see how ridiculous this all is. Don’t believe me ? All large management agencies require gloves at the combine, no matter if the player wants it or not. That tells you even a person who is not used to gloves catches better with them. Reebok did its independent studies and the same players wearing gloves with a hydraulic arm, batting it away required four times the force to make the guy fumble, and they went from 40 drops per 100 passes from a throwing machine circuit to 8 drops per 100. They noticed the only balls were it did not really affect it was where the player was rotating the opposite way, and the gloves could not smash. The biggest finding was when they had receivers turn around with no reaction time to catch balls and simply put their hands out the gloves increase their catch rate by 1200%… in other words, if you put your hands in front of your chest, and the ball came to you, you caught it. That’s not the case without gloves.
@@alatreon7451 1. Only certain parts of the Autobahn don't have a speed limit. 2. It's a lot harder to get a driver's license in Germany. American drivers are terrible. 3. Regardless of whether the speed limit is "necessary' and whether you agree with what the speed limit is on a particular stretch of road, the rule exists and everyone is obligated to follow it. And the people who exceed it are, by definition, speeders.
@@jliller still you aren’t getting the point: if everyone is doing it, then everyone has the unfair advantage. If everyone has that unfair advantage, it cancels itself out.
I played football (TE) all throughout highschool, and a bit in college over the past few years and have some insight on sticky gloves, specifically moddern NFL gloves. Yes they do help catch/grip the ball, how ever to make the crazy catches, and even what are considered run of the mill catches in profootball, you need way more skill, timing, and grip strength, all of which tacky gloves cannot provide. They way I see reciver gloves, they are akin to pinetar in baseball, it gives you a bit of a competitive advantage, but it alone will not elevate your game.
Your statement contradicts itself, “ yes they do help grip/ catch” “They give no advantage” Make up your mind bud I kinda get what your saying but if that last part were true no one would wear them
@@Gixsir Yoe can have the grip without an advantage. Football gloves are not glue, the ball doesn’t just stick to them on contact. You have to actually catch the ball, using your hands, good technique, and grip strength. Have you ever tried to catch a pass ripped from the hands of a competent QB? Footballs are slick, and without gloves they can slide through your hands. I recommend you reread my whole comment instead of trying to pick out two line buddy.
thanks for the explanation... I knew something was fishy, but the only theory I could find on the epidemic of ridiculous catches was those magnet gloves.
According to the NFL they are a sports entertainment business. They are not calling themselves a professional sport. To me the reason is obvious and that is the legal code. By calling themselves a sports entertainment business no one can be charged with a crime when game rigging scandals are exposed. I stopped watching the NFL because it is obvious to me that they rig the games to get teams with the larger fan base to the playoffs. To many games are decided by bad officiating for any other explanation to fit what happens on the field in the NFL.
The palms on those late 80s/early 90s era gloves were sticky. The difference between then and now is there weren’t nearly as sticky as todays gloves and their stickiness wore off fairly quickly so by the end of a game they would’ve lost their tack
Regardless of Stickum use by players, the NFL is at times rigged for its own benefit. In 2010 Roger Goodall testified in federal appeals court that the NFL is “entertainment” with no guarantee of “competition.” It was a case whereby a NY Jets season ticket holder sued Belichick and the Patriots for its “spygate” and the Jets for not fielding a team that was competitive to wit he wished a refund of his season tickets. Goodell further revealed UNDER OATH that the NFL is a non-profit organization in the entertainment business similar to the WWE. [Mayer v. Belichick; NE Patriots; NFL. 605 F.3d 223]
Not saying the league isn't however this evidence does not back your claim all sports are for entertainment purposes that's why we watch that's not a sign of rigging. Also they can't guarantee competition teams are individually owned in fact if he said he could then he admitting to rigging. Again not saying they don't use refs to there benefit just this argument doesn't support it
If "everyone" uses stickum I'd be afraid to see the NFL without it. For example, wasn't there a season of the Hasselback Era Seahawks when Darrell Jackson and Koren Robinson were both catching 6-10 passes per game yet also leading the league in drops?
"Irvin;" like "ur-vinn" - no "g." But I have to give props on what sounds like a mistake: ". . . begs to ask the question. . ." sounds a little clunky, but it's actually correct. Most of the time, when people use the phrase "begs the question," they actually mean what you said (a.k.a. "prompts the question"); "begging the question" is, nonsensically, the term for making an argument which relies on the assumption that whatever's being argued is correct ("the book is factual because the book itself proclaims that it's words are factual;" that sort of thing). Finally, sweet video on Stickum and its adventures in the NFL. I enjoyed it!
Deflategate kept the Colts in the game. Proper balls and the Pats went on a tear. Like how is it still such a big deal? Also what if the Watergate had a different name? Controversial conspiracies would have to do something with the name, like what if it was a Holiday Inn? Ponder that one guys.
Jerry Rice had actually been very against Stickum and it's over excessive usage for the first few years of his career.. then he figured one year "Eff it, let me see if this Stickum stuff actually makes a difference or not" being that Rice was known for his "pure catching ability" which is fancier words for "Stickum fiend" 😂 Once Jerry tried Stickum for the 1st time - he was stuck! Pun intended lol but he said that he would use the stickum spray basically religiously for the rest of his career. He even said during his last stint with the Seahawks, he admitted to being "caught red handed" by an official and was legit dead to rights. So he struck a quick deal with the ref and basically sucked him off quickly so he would keep his mouth shut. It worked! ❤
@@alexsolimanisorry for late reply, but which instance? Spygate, irgate, walkthrough gate, deflate gate? Cause pretty much every single "cheating allegation" was against the coaching staff, and if you remember from deflate gate, Brady went off with the properly inflated balls, once it was found out
You mean the guy that wouldn’t run a dig ,skinny post or a shallow cross,, Randy was soft and he didn’t show up in either Super Bowl he played in and that’s why his team lost.
Great video as always TubFrog! Only note is I wish you wouldn’t use the - symbol in front of stats as it makes them look like they’re negative numbers. Yes I’m super fun at parties! Have a great one.
Do a video on the down year all teams to win 3-4 SBs in a short window of time (steeler, cowboys, 49ers and patriots) Id be interested to learn about that!
I don't remember when receivers started wearing gloves, I do remember a fan calling in on sportstalk radio in the 1990s saying "...the only reason Jerry Rice is putting up the numbers he's putting up is because of the 'scuba gloves'."... So, I think Jerry Rice was one of the first or early WRs to wear gloves. Now, my memory is a little fuzzy so I could be wrong but I think I remember Jim McMahon injuring his throwing hand and wearing a glove and then he continued to wear the glove even after the hand healed because he could throw the ball better with the glove. I could be wrong about this too but didn't Kurt Warner wear one glove only on his throwing hand?
Thank you ! I have no doubts about all the modern ways that the game of Football has long been a corrupted gambling sport. Where all of us Fans are being hosed by the ever greediness of the N F L.
Absolutely.... ppl forget that part.. he was dropping passes at an alarming rate his rookie year..ppl were starting to question his ability at that point.. as much of a competitor as he was he absolutely did use it as he originally said and later retracted.. but for ppl to sit there and say that using stickum did not have a profound affect on his ability and his career is just absurd.. I remember watching him drop passes his first few years and then all of a sudden hes going up and snagging a ball one handed over 2 defenders in the endzone.. to me theres something to it.. imagine if this jerry rice, widely regarded as the GOAT of WRs owes his whole career to stickum.. without it he may have been just another 1st rd. Bust that no one ever gives 2 thoughts about. mind blowing to think about honestly...you can run all the sick routes you want and be an elite route runner, but if you cant catch the ball, what's the point?? and hes not the only one either.. dont know if I believe cris Carter or Michael Irvin or anyone from that era.. but the crap they got going on today with those gloves, that's just not even football anymore...
@@johncollins9989 I look at the Carter/Irvin reaction this way: even if _they_ didn't cheat, stickum was being used & they would have known about it. So colluding via silence is complicity & they should have _known_ that even if a player didn't ever speak up, some water-boy or equipment handler on the sidelines eventually would. It's like steroids in baseball: how can you value a Stan Musial or a Gary Carter versus someone beating their #s by popping a pill? It cheapens everything. To me, the First Rule of any kind of cheating is always this: you admitted *to **_yourself_* that you don't think that you can win _without_ it.
@@choosecarefully408but you have to ask yourself if Irvin and Carter knew that was going on and didnt use stickum what are they supposed to do?? Theres no way they're going to blow the whistle on other receivers.. its kinda like a unspoken rule, you don't snitch on your co workers... if they're doing something against the rules you let them hang themselves but you cant go to the commissioner with that.. what if it comes back in a report that they were the ones who outted rice and some of their contemporaries? Theyll be known as THAT guy the rest of their careers.. right or wrong, that's reality...but I do agree that either PEDs or these ridiculous gloves cheapens everything as well because it makes it seems like any dude off the street can get onto physical shape and pop a pill and he can go out there and do these things.. if it didnt help athletes wouldn't be doing it.. I will say that you have to have athleticism to begin with to even pull off some of these athletic feats. Steroids isnt going to make a non athlete an athlete.. But what it does is take a good athlete with natural ability and makes them into a great athlete.. and I have a problem with that.. these receiving gloves today are no different than poppin PEDs in my opinion.. its unnatural the way they can catch a ball with 2 EFFn fingers and jerry rice couldn't catch with 2 hands back in 85.. lol so idk, I do t like the way football has been going for the past decade, nothing seems as it once was.. but I bet you could say that about a lot of things sadly
@@johncollins9989 I think we see things more clearly if we flip one aspect of the whole. Let's say Carter & Irvin didn't cheat - but got beaten by someone that they knew _did_ cheat. Do you keep quiet even *then?* From the mentality of someone who Does Not Cheat, I can't _do_ that. I'm protecting no one from allowing it to continue _but_ the cheaters. If Bellicheck had lost a _single regular season game_ due to someone filming his defense, he'd probably be in prison now for having arranged their assassination. But when "I" do it (Bill Conscience) it's somehow only bending the rules. It's infantile. We learn to shirk responsibility for our actions before we hit double digits & I find the hypocrisy & lack of accountability useless in any & all adults. There isn't a story or movie In The World where the cheater *could be* portrayed as A Hero. & when your silence allows this lack of accountability to continue, how do you sleep comfortably?
@@johncollins9989 Not easy going from the hot conditions in the Mississippi valley at Totten Stadium to wet,windy and cold Candlestick Park. The adjustment takes a full calendar year to get used to San Francisco for anyone in any occupation. And buddy you better get checked for Alzheimer's because Jerry went from 927 yards and 3 TD's in his first season to 1600 yards and 15 TD's the next season. All those balls he dropped early in his career according to you were a figment of your imagination.
What surprises me most is that Lester Hayes, even after Stick-Um was banned, was still known as a "Shut-Down Corner." Having a record better than many cornerbacks, he is the only guy with a rule named after him and didn't get into the Hall of Fame. Jerry Rice, who admits to using Stick-Um after it was illegal is in the Hall of Fame. Where is the morality in that?
Fred Biletnikoff has a field here, in Erie Pa named after him. Mine and His hometown. Erie High School's football/track field, in particular. Always wondered what career he might've had, if stickum wasn't around.
I had a couple pairs of Neumann gloves in the late 90's up untill 2004. Same gloves Rice used. All you need to do is get them wet. No need to use stickum but I could see Rice using stickum his 1st 2 season in the NFL. In 87. He started wearing the Neumann wr glove
It’s like cycling during the Lance Armstrong era. The riders themselves didn’t consider doping as cheating as they were pretty much all doing it apart from a few exceptions. In a twisted way it was technically a warped but level playing field.
thanks, and I know lot Stories were Jerry Rice use Stickum to be a goat catcher and I think Larry Fitz use this because he has more tackles than drop catches.
The gloves are stickier today, but you showed the wrong side of the nike gloves from the 90s. I had both nike and newman gloves and they both had a super sticky surface in the palm side. Its not like they were using batting gloves back then..
We used pine tare back in high school. When ever we needed tape, we'd spray the pine tar a little bit more on our hands, and I doubt the coaches even knew. I can say that pine tar was the reason for my best game when I had 2 interceptions and a force fumble that I scooped and scored with.
When players like Donnie Shell and Jack Tatum trying to literally kill-shot WRs stick um was one of the few advantages they had until Dabs got ahold of it
Jerry Rice say it ain’t so…dude…NOOOOOOOO. You are the best football player to ever play the game. THE. BEST. PLAYER. EVER. But you cheated…cheatED…CHEATED. Oh Jerry I’m truly disappointed. Truly. Damn. Thanks Tubbie…I think.
Goalie gloves in soccer have had a tackiness forever. I always assumed some of that tech was in WR gloves. Imagine golf club grips have something similar. A little bit of moisture and you get adhesion without transfer.
I dropped 1 pass in high school, during a rain storm, and the ball throw slightly off my hip. I never used gloves but Neumann tackified gloves came out around that 1990-93 timeframe. Some folks just have amazingly soft hands and a feel for absorbing the ball. I find it hard to believe stick um has been in continual use since the late 70’s.
great video story. i was laughing through the story at the so called cheating. i never head about stickem before. but it should just be make legal. thats why i laugh. it is silly to not allow stick-em. I can just see the QB thorws the ball and finds the ball stuck on his hand. hahahaha 😧
Stickum isn’t banned per say. They can have tack on their gloves as long as the substance does not cause harm to the ball or interfere with other players, it is allowed. Lester was only called out because of the amount he used.
Didn't Jerry Rice say he used the stick ems? He was on a talk show and said that while they were showing some replays or something if i remember. I wonder why that wasn't a thing. They just glossed over the fact that he blatantly admitted to cheating on live TV. He claimed he didn't know he could use it lmao.
They really aren’t gloves are more of a cosmetic then something that actually helps. But keep believing these players are cheating and don’t just catch passes all day every day and they all have big hands
There are videos on TH-cam of a company that made a football with magnets and special gloves. They take a highschool team receivers from a bad team and they are making one handed catches. There is a video of a NFL receiver coming off the field and he can't get the ball off his gloved hand. He has to pull the glove off with the ball still attached. I think it was a Houston player. Can college players wear gloves?
We spray WD-40 on our glass gloves to make them stick without slipping. I've put a sheet of glass down before and my gloves stayed stuck when my hands slid out from inside the gloves. The glass gloves were designed to turn loose from the hands not the glass incase you had bad situation and needed to escape the gloves wouldn't hold you to the glass. They are oversized gloves.
I hated that stuff. We had it when I played high school ball and I couldn't get used to it. It was aggravating, your fingers stick together, there was grass and dirt mixed in, feathers, hair...you name it. It was worse than pine sap, it got on everything, you made a mess trying to use the sink to get it off, which was another hassle. I think I used it twice and never again. That being said, I would have loved to have the gloves they have now.
My gawd man. How old are you?
@@markphelt6395 I was born in 1971, so, I'm just getting started.
Stickum and tear away jerseys with huge pads. The 70's in the NFL often looked like a clown show lol.
👴, ok in all seriousness y'all got to use that shit normally?
I feel you, same era, born in 1968. Gloves were almost nonexistent, especially in rural KS. Stickum was not available, so we used the sticky spray the trainers used for taping ankles. We found that if you coated baseball batting gloves fairly heavily you could swap gloves whenever they got covered in dirt, grass, etc.
I remember watching a game when Stickum use was so bad that they had to keep changing the balls any time a receiver touched one. Their hands looked like they were coated in thick grease and the probably could have caught a ball fired from a canon with just a finger tip. IIFC even Madden made a comment on how bad the stick'em use was.
Seems like people either forgot or ignore these situations man the Raiders were even proud of it or knew any or most of the ways to do so but gloves nowadays are better then ever
You sound intimidated son.
@@jennyanydots2389 the gloves now are better than using stickum was
@@brandan7095 Sea men is actually the best substance available for getting balls to stick to your hands.
I love the Raiders of this era. It wasnt exactly cheating, because it hadnt been banned. Al Davis made the Shield fight for literally *everything*.
And it ain’t cheating if you don’t get caught 😏
Greatest comment ever
Yes talk about a man ahead of the idea of branding. He was a genius in marketing & in football.
Funny, I say the same thing about Barry Bonds!! Wasn’t cheating if you banned it afterwards.
It was completely legal. And Lester after 1980 was never covered in it again
It's like you said. A big impetus for the ban was Lester Hayes screwing up the ball for the Oilers. If that hadn't happened, there wouldn't have been as much of a desire to ban the stuff. No one cared that much whether a player had an advantage holding the ball. People just didn't want to bump into someone and be covered in glue.
Yeah. The competitive “advantage” was equally available to every team and player, so it was hardly cheating. Just equipment managers didn’t want to deal with it
Lester would have it everywhere!
Everyone clowns Bellicheck as a cheat, but Lombardi of all people was known to film other teams practices. Everything you can imagine giving any advantage is being done in the NFL. It's usually just hushed up bc of the gambling money involved. No team is innocent bc everyone, top to bottom, other than the owner has their livelihood on the line
You mean St. Lombardi filmed other teams practices? How did you come across this info?
The thing I don’t understand is it’s literally allowed for teams to film other teams, you just have to be in a certain area. So why was it really a big deal
Coach Bill-a-cheat
I know you are trying to defend Bill but the frustrating thing about your comment is that the patriots never filmed any teams practices. It is such a false narrative that took off and still to this day people think happened. The Patriots filmed signs during the game. Everyone in the freaking stadium can see the signs. It was a complete joke that they got penalized like they did.
@@tonye2400i thot they were caught filming the jets practice?
Odell Beckham Jr made his entire career off of silicone gloves. I've been telling people for years that the famous catch vs the Cowboys was due to performance enhancing gloves.
No just a good catch
Plenty of videos of magnetic gloves here on TH-cam
PEGs
He's also got gigantic hands. Not hard to catch a ball when you can palm it easily
It’s both really. He’s athletic enough to make that catch but the gloves definitely made it easier. I still think you gotta be really talented to be able to physically make that grab but the gloves also helped.
“Most interceptions in a season ever since 1957” we’ll said
"We'll said" well said
I remember hearing that Lester once caught an interception with his shoulder pads.
Stickum was very helpful for tackling as well. I used it on my hands and shoulder pads. It was not illegal at that time so there was no problem. Stickum did exactly what you would expect. It allowed you to stick a little more to the ball carrier. It also helped me easily take the ball from running backs if they did not have two hands on the ball.
where did you play
@@sponbob5612elementary school
Lester “The Molester Hayes”, stickum or no stickum was one of the best cover corners ever. He and Mike Haynes were the best shut down corners ever. They elevated the art of DB coverage where it was exciting just to watch the two play. Lott and Wright across the Bay were also a blast to watch. Awww. The good old days.
Best shut down corners ever is a massive stretch
@@conjboi4556nope ....fact
You really have to hand it to Fred Biletnikoff for being bold enough to take advantage of an opportunity that there were no rules against. Even if he wouldn’t have had the same abilities as a receiver just using gloves, he was arguably a brilliant player because of it.
Funny that the Chargers receivers had the best hands in football and never used stickum even though it would have gone so well with their uniforms. Ironically John Jefferson who caught everything in sight and out of sight in the regular season proceeded to drop every pass thrown to him in the AFC Championship game vs the Raiders. He could have used some stickum on that day ...or perhaps some high quality H20
Same can be said of Bonds...and should be.
It wasn’t cheating, there was no ban on stickum back in the 70s.
@@bernitup7621 I never said it was cheating, I was saying it was brilliant that he took advantage of it the way he did
All these people that focus on stick em don’t seem to realize that modern receiver gloves make a guy that used to have bad hands in the 70s and 80s who would have been considered great in every other way, but completely limited and could turn them into an all pro…. That’s right, simply giving them modern receiver gloves.
It works 100 times better than stick em.
An eighth of an inch of incredibly soft and tacky material that collapses on impact makes a guy with small hands, have the same surface area as DeAndre Hopkins.
It also makes you not have to absorb and move your hand placement at all, because peoples hands do not naturally have fat … gloves, basically add eight layers of extra skin that is completely gelatinous with a bunch of spikes that are rubber that act as cleats.
In the old days, it mattered if you put more pressure on your middle finger or your forefinger and balls with squirt out constantly. They made ridges larger on footballs, and now the gloves fit inside the micro ridges and the seams.
In 1980 2% of receivers could catch a ball one-handed. Now 98% of the league can.
Stick did make your hands more tacky. But unless you moved your arms and fingers perfectly like shock absorbers, it was still going to bounce off unless you had big enough hands to wrap the ball or had perfect hand placement on every throw you would continue to bounce out of your hands.
Add to the fact, the defenders are hitting the ball, could straight up level receivers who were not protected at all and you really see how ridiculous this all is.
Don’t believe me ?
All large management agencies require gloves at the combine, no matter if the player wants it or not.
That tells you even a person who is not used to gloves catches better with them.
Reebok did its independent studies and the same players wearing gloves with a hydraulic arm, batting it away required four times the force to make the guy fumble, and they went from 40 drops per 100 passes from a throwing machine circuit to 8 drops per 100.
They noticed the only balls were it did not really affect it was where the player was rotating the opposite way, and the gloves could not smash.
The biggest finding was when they had receivers turn around with no reaction time to catch balls and simply put their hands out the gloves increase their catch rate by 1200%… in other words, if you put your hands in front of your chest, and the ball came to you, you caught it. That’s not the case without gloves.
It just brings up the question: is it even cheating if everyone’s doing it?
If 1 out of 100 does not, but 99 do while the rule does not allow it, it is...
If everyone ignored the speed limit would it still be speeding?
@@jliller ask the Germans how many accidents they have with no speed limit on the Autobahn.
@@alatreon7451
1. Only certain parts of the Autobahn don't have a speed limit.
2. It's a lot harder to get a driver's license in Germany. American drivers are terrible.
3. Regardless of whether the speed limit is "necessary' and whether you agree with what the speed limit is on a particular stretch of road, the rule exists and everyone is obligated to follow it. And the people who exceed it are, by definition, speeders.
@@jliller still you aren’t getting the point: if everyone is doing it, then everyone has the unfair advantage. If everyone has that unfair advantage, it cancels itself out.
Really? the gloves these receivers wear today are 5 times worst than stick em could ever be
I played football (TE) all throughout highschool, and a bit in college over the past few years and have some insight on sticky gloves, specifically moddern NFL gloves. Yes they do help catch/grip the ball, how ever to make the crazy catches, and even what are considered run of the mill catches in profootball, you need way more skill, timing, and grip strength, all of which tacky gloves cannot provide. They way I see reciver gloves, they are akin to pinetar in baseball, it gives you a bit of a competitive advantage, but it alone will not elevate your game.
Your statement contradicts itself,
“ yes they do help grip/ catch”
“They give no advantage”
Make up your mind bud I kinda get what your saying but if that last part were true no one would wear them
@@Gixsir Yoe can have the grip without an advantage. Football gloves are not glue, the ball doesn’t just stick to them on contact. You have to actually catch the ball, using your hands, good technique, and grip strength. Have you ever tried to catch a pass ripped from the hands of a competent QB? Footballs are slick, and without gloves they can slide through your hands. I recommend you reread my whole comment instead of trying to pick out two line buddy.
You quote him saying " they give no advantage" when he really said "gives you a bit of a competitive advantage."
You dont read very well bro. @@Gixsir
They say his gloves stuck to the football lol
These new gloves are more illegal than any of that stick'em....😂😂😂
thanks for the explanation... I knew something was fishy, but the only theory I could find on the epidemic of ridiculous catches was those magnet gloves.
Fun fact those gloves are banned in high school football and maybe college for that very reason. It makes it super easy to catch the ball..
According to the NFL they are a sports entertainment business. They are not calling themselves a professional sport. To me the reason is obvious and that is the legal code. By calling themselves a sports entertainment business no one can be charged with a crime when game rigging scandals are exposed. I stopped watching the NFL because it is obvious to me that they rig the games to get teams with the larger fan base to the playoffs. To many games are decided by bad officiating for any other explanation to fit what happens on the field in the NFL.
The palms on those late 80s/early 90s era gloves were sticky. The difference between then and now is there weren’t nearly as sticky as todays gloves and their stickiness wore off fairly quickly so by the end of a game they would’ve lost their tack
Have you ever handled the gloves they wear now? You can scale a wall with them.
THE GLOVES RECEIVERS WEAR TODAY ARE MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE THAN STICKUM EVER WAS WHEN CATCHING A FOOTBALL
Not cheating if it wasn't banned
Regardless of Stickum use by players, the NFL is at times rigged for its own benefit. In 2010 Roger Goodall testified in federal appeals court that the NFL is “entertainment” with no guarantee of “competition.” It was a case whereby a NY Jets season ticket holder sued Belichick and the Patriots for its “spygate” and the Jets for not fielding a team that was competitive to wit he wished a refund of his season tickets. Goodell further revealed UNDER OATH that the NFL is a non-profit organization in the entertainment business similar to the WWE. [Mayer v. Belichick; NE Patriots; NFL. 605 F.3d 223]
Not saying the league isn't however this evidence does not back your claim all sports are for entertainment purposes that's why we watch that's not a sign of rigging. Also they can't guarantee competition teams are individually owned in fact if he said he could then he admitting to rigging. Again not saying they don't use refs to there benefit just this argument doesn't support it
If "everyone" uses stickum I'd be afraid to see the NFL without it. For example, wasn't there a season of the Hasselback Era Seahawks when Darrell Jackson and Koren Robinson were both catching 6-10 passes per game yet also leading the league in drops?
Stickum was banned by the NLF in 1981.
1:06 I want you to read the words after “vaulting poles”
I was really hoping someone would catch that
Lester Hayes, the stickiest man in sports history
Im pretty sure they banned stickem because it looked like everyone was covered in tree sap. It was more of a cosmetic issue than anything.
Great show.
"Irvin;" like "ur-vinn" - no "g." But I have to give props on what sounds like a mistake: ". . . begs to ask the question. . ." sounds a little clunky, but it's actually correct. Most of the time, when people use the phrase "begs the question," they actually mean what you said (a.k.a. "prompts the question"); "begging the question" is, nonsensically, the term for making an argument which relies on the assumption that whatever's being argued is correct ("the book is factual because the book itself proclaims that it's words are factual;" that sort of thing).
Finally, sweet video on Stickum and its adventures in the NFL. I enjoyed it!
Deflategate kept the Colts in the game. Proper balls and the Pats went on a tear. Like how is it still such a big deal? Also what if the Watergate had a different name? Controversial conspiracies would have to do something with the name, like what if it was a Holiday Inn? Ponder that one guys.
Another banger Frog
Stick it to 'um Tub. Keep up the great work!
You do realize that you didn't show the catching surface of deion's gloves, but the sticky surface of obj's? 1
Jerry Rice had actually been very against Stickum and it's over excessive usage for the first few years of his career.. then he figured one year "Eff it, let me see if this Stickum stuff actually makes a difference or not" being that Rice was known for his "pure catching ability" which is fancier words for "Stickum fiend" 😂
Once Jerry tried Stickum for the 1st time - he was stuck! Pun intended lol but he said that he would use the stickum spray basically religiously for the rest of his career. He even said during his last stint with the Seahawks, he admitted to being "caught red handed" by an official and was legit dead to rights. So he struck a quick deal with the ref and basically sucked him off quickly so he would keep his mouth shut.
It worked! ❤
Proof?
@gr5382 he later said he didn't use it so who knows
@gr5382 All I know is Brady is a far bigger cheater than him
@@alexsolimanisorry for late reply, but which instance? Spygate, irgate, walkthrough gate, deflate gate? Cause pretty much every single "cheating allegation" was against the coaching staff, and if you remember from deflate gate, Brady went off with the properly inflated balls, once it was found out
There was a Lions WR back in the day who cut thumbtacks to be more dull then would tape them on his fingers to catch the ball better
This is why Randy Moss is my GOAT WR
You mean the guy that wouldn’t run a dig ,skinny post or a shallow cross,, Randy was soft and he didn’t show up in either Super Bowl he played in and that’s why his team lost.
You said in the 70s the players were doing coke in between plays, WILL U PLEASE LEAVE MY COWBOYS OUT OF THIS !!! 😂
Great video as always TubFrog! Only note is I wish you wouldn’t use the - symbol in front of stats as it makes them look like they’re negative numbers. Yes I’m super fun at parties! Have a great one.
Do a video on the down year all teams to win 3-4 SBs in a short window of time (steeler, cowboys, 49ers and patriots) Id be interested to learn about that!
You need to do a video on ken Stabler!
Those photos with all that yellow stuff is hilarious
When I was in Pop Warner me and all the other kids would put hand sanitizer on our gloves and call it "legal stickum"
This kind of thing has always gone on in some form. Then decades later guys come public and say “yeah, we did that. what are ya gonna do?”
I LOVE UR CHANNEL
Before you even began, Fred Biletnikoff....LOL
I’ll never understand how deflategate gave the pats an unfair advantage but hindered the Colts lol
This also explains why fumbles by running backs have become so rare though backs tend to hold the ball with two hands less often.
I don't remember when receivers started wearing gloves, I do remember a fan calling in on sportstalk radio in the 1990s saying "...the only reason Jerry Rice is putting up the numbers he's putting up is because of the 'scuba gloves'."... So, I think Jerry Rice was one of the first or early WRs to wear gloves.
Now, my memory is a little fuzzy so I could be wrong but I think I remember Jim McMahon injuring his throwing hand and wearing a glove and then he continued to wear the glove even after the hand healed because he could throw the ball better with the glove. I could be wrong about this too but didn't Kurt Warner wear one glove only on his throwing hand?
Thank you !
I have no doubts about all the modern ways that the game of Football has long been a corrupted gambling sport.
Where all of us Fans are being hosed by the ever greediness
of the N F L.
Do you still watch the nfl? And if so why?
Our gloves in HS (2003-2006) were hella sticky back then. Just didn’t have all the cool palm logos
When you think of cheating, you think of the Patriots.
This is my favorite type of video you make covering a topic that many people may not know and going in depth on it is really cool
Remember early in his rookie year, Jerry Rice was dropping passes left and right.
Absolutely.... ppl forget that part.. he was dropping passes at an alarming rate his rookie year..ppl were starting to question his ability at that point.. as much of a competitor as he was he absolutely did use it as he originally said and later retracted.. but for ppl to sit there and say that using stickum did not have a profound affect on his ability and his career is just absurd.. I remember watching him drop passes his first few years and then all of a sudden hes going up and snagging a ball one handed over 2 defenders in the endzone.. to me theres something to it.. imagine if this jerry rice, widely regarded as the GOAT of WRs owes his whole career to stickum.. without it he may have been just another 1st rd. Bust that no one ever gives 2 thoughts about. mind blowing to think about honestly...you can run all the sick routes you want and be an elite route runner, but if you cant catch the ball, what's the point?? and hes not the only one either.. dont know if I believe cris Carter or Michael Irvin or anyone from that era.. but the crap they got going on today with those gloves, that's just not even football anymore...
@@johncollins9989 I look at the Carter/Irvin reaction this way: even if _they_ didn't cheat, stickum was being used & they would have known about it. So colluding via silence is complicity & they should have _known_ that even if a player didn't ever speak up, some water-boy or equipment handler on the sidelines eventually would.
It's like steroids in baseball: how can you value a Stan Musial or a Gary Carter versus someone beating their #s by popping a pill? It cheapens everything. To me, the First Rule of any kind of cheating is always this: you admitted *to **_yourself_* that you don't think that you can win _without_ it.
@@choosecarefully408but you have to ask yourself if Irvin and Carter knew that was going on and didnt use stickum what are they supposed to do?? Theres no way they're going to blow the whistle on other receivers.. its kinda like a unspoken rule, you don't snitch on your co workers... if they're doing something against the rules you let them hang themselves but you cant go to the commissioner with that.. what if it comes back in a report that they were the ones who outted rice and some of their contemporaries? Theyll be known as THAT guy the rest of their careers.. right or wrong, that's reality...but I do agree that either PEDs or these ridiculous gloves cheapens everything as well because it makes it seems like any dude off the street can get onto physical shape and pop a pill and he can go out there and do these things.. if it didnt help athletes wouldn't be doing it.. I will say that you have to have athleticism to begin with to even pull off some of these athletic feats. Steroids isnt going to make a non athlete an athlete.. But what it does is take a good athlete with natural ability and makes them into a great athlete.. and I have a problem with that.. these receiving gloves today are no different than poppin PEDs in my opinion.. its unnatural the way they can catch a ball with 2 EFFn fingers and jerry rice couldn't catch with 2 hands back in 85.. lol so idk, I do t like the way football has been going for the past decade, nothing seems as it once was.. but I bet you could say that about a lot of things sadly
@@johncollins9989 I think we see things more clearly if we flip one aspect of the whole. Let's say Carter & Irvin didn't cheat - but got beaten by someone that they knew _did_ cheat. Do you keep quiet even *then?*
From the mentality of someone who Does Not Cheat, I can't _do_ that. I'm protecting no one from allowing it to continue _but_ the cheaters.
If Bellicheck had lost a _single regular season game_ due to someone filming his defense, he'd probably be in prison now for having arranged their assassination. But when "I" do it (Bill Conscience) it's somehow only bending the rules.
It's infantile. We learn to shirk responsibility for our actions before we hit double digits & I find the hypocrisy & lack of accountability useless in any & all adults. There isn't a story or movie In The World where the cheater *could be* portrayed as A Hero. & when your silence allows this lack of accountability to continue, how do you sleep comfortably?
@@johncollins9989 Not easy going from the hot conditions in the Mississippi valley at Totten Stadium to wet,windy and cold Candlestick Park. The adjustment takes a full calendar year to get used to San Francisco for anyone in any occupation. And buddy you better get checked for Alzheimer's because Jerry went from 927 yards and 3 TD's in his first season to 1600 yards and 15 TD's the next season. All those balls he dropped early in his career according to you were a figment of your imagination.
What surprises me most is that Lester Hayes, even after Stick-Um was banned, was still known as a "Shut-Down Corner." Having a record better than many cornerbacks, he is the only guy with a rule named after him and didn't get into the Hall of Fame. Jerry Rice, who admits to using Stick-Um after it was illegal is in the Hall of Fame. Where is the morality in that?
Fred Biletnikoff has a field here, in Erie Pa named after him. Mine and His hometown. Erie High School's football/track field, in particular. Always wondered what career he might've had, if stickum wasn't around.
You showed the back of Dion’s gloves certainly they had some grip on the underside back in high school we used sticky AF gloves
this video just cements what we all have known for decades. that steve largent was the greatest wide reciever in nfl history.
I had a couple pairs of Neumann gloves in the late 90's up untill 2004. Same gloves Rice used. All you need to do is get them wet. No need to use stickum but I could see Rice using stickum his 1st 2 season in the NFL. In 87. He started wearing the Neumann wr glove
Thanks for showing us the back side of Deions gloves. Could really tell how tacky they were. Also Irvin played in Irving Texas. IRVIN
Fire content my guy. Straight fire.
You can thank the media for keeping ALL the shade in ALL sports
Do “ranking every nfl teams fanbase” TubFrog
Perhaps
@@tubfrog pls do it im begging you
If you ain't cheating you ain't a Patriot!!! 😂😂😂
It’s like cycling during the Lance Armstrong era. The riders themselves didn’t consider doping as cheating as they were pretty much all doing it apart from a few exceptions. In a twisted way it was technically a warped but level playing field.
thanks, and I know lot Stories were Jerry Rice use Stickum to be a goat catcher and I think Larry Fitz use this because he has more tackles than drop catches.
No Fitz is just unreal
@@ayo9756 I should not be so unreal but I kinda think he is but Idk I can’t know everything
The gloves are stickier today, but you showed the wrong side of the nike gloves from the 90s. I had both nike and newman gloves and they both had a super sticky surface in the palm side. Its not like they were using batting gloves back then..
The NFL is using the ultimate reception gloves, and the balls. The ball has magnets in them.
Aright but if you use stickum doesn't it make it way harder for the qb to throw
It did but from what I learned they pretty much switched balls every single play to prevent this
We used pine tare back in high school. When ever we needed tape, we'd spray the pine tar a little bit more on our hands, and I doubt the coaches even knew.
I can say that pine tar was the reason for my best game when I had 2 interceptions and a force fumble that I scooped and scored with.
Check out the gloves Dwight Clark wore starting around ‘86-‘87. I think they were literally scuba gloves
Yep to this day people talk about billetnekoff and his gross glue antics, he’s a legend. Notorious
When players like Donnie Shell and Jack Tatum trying to literally kill-shot WRs stick um was one of the few advantages they had until Dabs got ahold of it
I remember spray on stickum in the early 70's in the NFL.
The reason why "Primetime's" gloves have no grip is, because you're looking at the back of the gloves in that picture.
The gloves they use today are so tacky they need no foreign substance to help. It also cuts down on a ton of fumbles.
Jerry Rice say it ain’t so…dude…NOOOOOOOO. You are the best football player to ever play the game. THE. BEST. PLAYER. EVER. But you cheated…cheatED…CHEATED. Oh Jerry I’m truly disappointed. Truly. Damn.
Thanks Tubbie…I think.
Saw a ball stick to the back Belitekof's shoulder pad in a game! 😂
Bro said NFL players were hittin coke between plays in the seventies good one 😂😂😂
That glove comparison didn't make sense to me
Art Monk 8 inch drip of stick em🤣🤣🤣
Goalie gloves in soccer have had a tackiness forever. I always assumed some of that tech was in WR gloves. Imagine golf club grips have something similar. A little bit of moisture and you get adhesion without transfer.
You can see the stickum coating most of the raiders in the 70s games, Freddy B was a great receiver and stickum isn’t much different than gloves today
The gloves they have today are actually better than stickum
I am very surprised to see that the players used resin in handball and used it, it's funny today the gloves are extremely sticky
I dropped 1 pass in high school, during a rain storm, and the ball throw slightly off my hip. I never used gloves but Neumann tackified gloves came out around that 1990-93 timeframe. Some folks just have amazingly soft hands and a feel for absorbing the ball. I find it hard to believe stick um has been in continual use since the late 70’s.
I was not expecting to hear the Regular Show theme song in this
Nice froggy
"If you ain't cheating , you ain't trying." - Bill Parcells
Fred biletnikoff looks like the homeless dude that shows you a dead body in movies
To be fair, DBs have the same gloves as WRs
great video story. i was laughing through the story at the so called cheating. i never head about stickem before. but it should just be make legal. thats why i laugh. it is silly to not allow stick-em. I can just see the QB thorws the ball and finds the ball stuck on his hand. hahahaha 😧
What’s the difference between stickem then an the gloves now
Stickum isn’t banned per say. They can have tack on their gloves as long as the substance does not cause harm to the ball or interfere with other players, it is allowed. Lester was only called out because of the amount he used.
Didn't Jerry Rice say he used the stick ems? He was on a talk show and said that while they were showing some replays or something if i remember. I wonder why that wasn't a thing. They just glossed over the fact that he blatantly admitted to cheating on live TV. He claimed he didn't know he could use it lmao.
The gloves wr have now are worse than stickum was. I don't see it as the older guys cheating
They really aren’t gloves are more of a cosmetic then something that actually helps. But keep believing these players are cheating and don’t just catch passes all day every day and they all have big hands
@@Mokuteke idk what you're even talking about. When did I say players are cheating. Lol clown
I'm 52, back in the day EVERYBODY used stickup,. Even the ball boys and refs
There are videos on TH-cam of a company that made a football with magnets and special gloves. They take a highschool team receivers from a bad team and they are making one handed catches. There is a video of a NFL receiver coming off the field and he can't get the ball off his gloved hand. He has to pull the glove off with the ball still attached. I think it was a Houston player. Can college players wear gloves?
Jerry Rice, the Seahawks legend
We spray WD-40 on our glass gloves to make them stick without slipping. I've put a sheet of glass down before and my gloves stayed stuck when my hands slid out from inside the gloves. The glass gloves were designed to turn loose from the hands not the glass incase you had bad situation and needed to escape the gloves wouldn't hold you to the glass. They are oversized gloves.