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Thanks for sharing such an honest video of success and failure. IMO I can't see how you could have caused the visible damage inside the roof but fantastic job to remedy for the customer. Possible you caused some minor issues as you were learning but far more experience heads have commented on technique. All in that looked a very stressful experience, I feel your pain. (especially trying to handle +35ft of extended pole for any length of time)
I'm a builder, I would do a full inspection of the loft first, the holes where not caused by you, it's just very old felt, on thing I would say, never spray up words towards the ridge tiles, always spray down towards the gutters, so angle your turbo thing in the direction of the gutters
I’m a plumber ( often in roof spaces) and there’s plenty of lofts with random tear holes just like those in the older felt a long time before roof washing was a thing , it had a lifespan of 20-30 years but extreme conditions can cut that time dramatically
I've just watched this closely and hears my 2 cents, first of all. With that many holes in the roof lining ill bet you didnt cause not one of them ! The tiles on the roof take most of the force from the turbo nozzle and what water gets behind it shouldnt put holes in it! That roofs been patched up allot so there was a problem there to start with. The lady mentioned that water got in through the boiler exhaust pipe, now that one could have been caused by rinsing down the roof and some water going down the pipe, you can actually see the dirty pipe in the vid. Think you did a great job there for your first one, next time take lots of pictures and inspect everything.
He was presher washing up the way. Can’t do that
I would agree with this, I don't have the pressure wash experience, but that bungalow was built around the 1960s and the sarking felt is original. I am an experienced builder and have a similar bungalow with the same felt and lots of holes as the felt becomes brittle with age.
The chap carrying out this work is inexperienced.
If the homeowner took legal action against him - this video alone would lose the case for him.
Too many inexperienced clowns doing this unnecessary work on peoples homes...
Sprayed wet & forget on my roof,slowly over several months the roof become clean like a new roof.
That was 4 plus years ago and roof still looks new no moss and no need to jet wash.
Also works fine on the patio.
I would agree with this, I don't have the pressure wash experience, but that bungalow was built around the 1960s and the sarking felt is original. I am an experienced builder and have a similar bungalow with the same felt and lots of holes as the felt becomes brittle with age. Besides that issue, nice work on the cleaning.
Only advice I will give you before you do any roof cleaning is go around the property take pictures of any broken tiles or damage already on the roof, go up into the loft before you start the job as well, and if you notice any damage or anything take photos before you start, if any customer complains u can prove the damage was already there before you started. Nice work on the roof clean👍 Hope you have plenty more in the future.
And make sure you have good third party liability insurance as well.
Hi mate, from what I see you did fine. I would be surprised if you caused the damage to the roof. I've cleaned a lot and not had that before. Potentially, when resting the turbo nozzle on the tiles before pulling the trigger, you get a build-up of compressed pressure, as you know. And there is the slightest possibility that is what may have caused the damage. I would expect to see broken tiles or clear signs of damage from the outside though if that was the case. Anyway... get shot of the bin lid thing you were using looked like cheap tat lol buy mosmatic they are worth it 👌
It is really helpful for people to see things that go wrong, not just perfect things, so thanks for that. I use a pressure washer at home but have to be so careful (and don't use it on the roof which is even steeper and higher than the average 2 or 3 story house) and even on a bit of fence it has made a hole. It is just too powerful for some jobs I'm afraid. Also a lot of houses have loose tiles so I wouldn't feel safe using a powerful pressure hose
Hi Jake, that damage was probably already there. Always a good idea to take a look round in the roof space before pressure wash. Lots of pros and cons to pressure washing roofs and water will always find a way to ruin your day lol. Keep up the great work 👍🏻
Nice job Jake, don't beat yourself up about the felt it was already knackered but defo look out for that next time. I clean a lot of roofs with skyscraper and biocide. I leave jet washing roofs to the guys who have the time to clear up the awful mess & don't mind risking their liability insurance.
As people have mentioned do a pre-loft inspection with video and photo evidence of any current damage (actually show them this footage as they may be completely unaware) Also get them to sign something that says they’ve seen the pre inspection damage. (Maybe get a marker pen or Small piece of tape to mark the original damage spots so it can be much easier to determine after the work is complete if any damage that doesn’t have a mark on would’ve been caused by you)
everything about this video left me shaking my head. this happens when people think they can just turn up on a job underprepared and without any experience.
Thanks for the video, my old roof felt perished and looked very similar. I doubt it was your doing but offering to have a look in the roof or asking the condition seems prudent, particularly if the property is 50’s - 80s and still on the original roof. I was up in the roof of a property the in-laws are buying and the felt membrane is also shot to shit. Great to see your patch work, it looks like a great temporary fix that I might need borrow and perform in due course!
All a learning curv mate! Would love to know what the issue may be. Fair play for recording it all some people would just blag everything was fine.
You couldn’t have made them holes Jake you just blasted a tile surface. That old tar felt is very brittle but you couldn’t have done it. When roofers put battens on they can often rip the felt with their boots. Felt is just a back up not the waterproof surface. Like you said check the felt first take photos it will cover you.
morning.... as a fully quailed roofer of 35odd years I would say that non of the holes in the roof were caused by yourself. the undefelt is know as 1f a hessian and bitumen build up that is very very old and falls apart when people go into the loft and rub/nudge against it.
modern day felt is like paper and heavily breathable to allow heat to dissipate correctly from the property.
please forgive me for putting my 50ps with in...... but dont shoot water near any roof sill vents ,headworks,chimneys especially as they are all acting like a candles wick into the property and allowing the possibility of wart ingress..
keep on doing what ya doing as every day is a school day.....
hope thus helps and remember.......
be kind to yourself
@edenandmeadow
And there speaks the voice of experience. Well said and some excellent advice given.
B.S 747 PART 1F sarking felt it was.......I remember it well.
I suspect he will carry out pre-inspections to the roof spaces on the next job......
Nice job! I started in on driveways I have too much anxiety to do houses in case I have some disasters lol, maybe one day.
Great job matey! That clearly wasn’t your fault at all. As you said in the video a scaffold every time will help. Don’t get to down with the armchair critics in the comments. These guys forget they started somewhere as well when cleaning roofs. Lovely job in the end mate and it’s a great service to offer to build the business. When I do roofs I pay my labourer more for that roof clean than I would on a general gutter or driveway day. Keep going mate 👍🏻🫡
Jake don’t let it put you off done a good job there mate great video too! mistakes is how you learn. Doubtful you made them holes inspect next time 👌
Definitely needs re felting. You didn’t cause any of those holes. Unfortunately water probably did get up under the tiles and in through those holes, but you did a cracking job on the food for your first go! 👊🏼
Never had that happen, probably age of the roof. ( Did you lower the pressure on the p washer?) but most likely week or already failed liner. Maybe be worth inspecting the roof liner on qoute if possible could be a good idea. But I watch how you washed the roof and it seemed good, I use a twin turbo nozzle but also use a turbo devil disc cleaner which is awesome.
Also bud, theres no wah you caused them holes in the felt, but you can use a product called flexacryl to stick the patch to the felt, its an instant repair compound, we use it all the time for sealing holes in guttering and flat roofs, it sticks to anything and has fiberglass grains in it.
This obsession some people have with cleaning their roof - is completely daft.
I hope you have good liability insurance.
So you are against a nice looking home ? Plus all the Algae and Moss damage all roofing systems.
@@tittyrino It is a totally unnecessary expense.
And do explain how moss and algae will damage all roofing systems.?
The roof on my house is approaching 80 years old and has never been cleaned - and it is perfectly watertight. I clean the gutters once a year - and the amount of moss in the guttering is at most minimal. So no damage here.
Pressure washing my roof would cause much more damage....
It sounds backwards but I believe you're supposed to start at the bottom and work your way up, and then give it a rinse afterwards, otherwise you can end up with a huge pile of heavy wet moss as you get near the end that can cause damage, flooding or be harder to move.
Just got further in the video and noticed that you are doing that later
What you say is right but it's not the point here. Some are trying to know if the pressure equipment can cause infiltration through the tiles ... and if yes, could we avoid it (by directing the nozzle to better angle ..?.. or by using a lower pression..?).
Hi bud to stop the moss running to the drains disconnect a section of gutter at each side and set you're sheeting under that this also helps with the weight of the moss in the gutter, we never high pressure wash them always low pressure as low as our machine will go. People say it takes this and that of the roof if you are careful it will only lift the top layer of moss you will work out distance. It will take 50 60 years of a roof is the things I hear none of us will be here to see it and its rubbish if done properly
I think them holes were already there in the first place. Tape wise bitumen tape would stick better i think, its like glue the stickyness of it. You have done a good job on that roof 👍 i think if you take anymore roof jobs on def take a look inside the loft before and take photos and the show the owners.
Instead of using pressure why not use a 6% sh mix? Here in the us we use sh on tile roofs as well and if it has bad growth like your moss we broom it.
We do not now offer any pressure washing on roofs, only traditional scrape & Bio. We had an absolute disaster on one luckily some of my pals are roofers and we got it fixed for next to nothing, could have gone into the thousands tho. Really you need a steam set up or hot water so u can get the pressure right down, should be around 100bar.
Fair play tho looked graft & yeah u need a tower to make things easier and safer 👍
Why do all you guys in this part of the country pressure wash the roofs instead of use soft wash technique like we do here in the states? I soft wash all sorts of roofs. Hell a lot less work and a lot safer for all materials. It kills all that stuff .
@@BRExteriorPro problem we have here in the UK is that it's a lot damper so the moss can be super thick. There's now also apparently laws which prevent hypo being used on live moss, the one we are working at the moment is so thick moss it's like a carpet
@@JPHeath yeah that's crazy. It was definitely an interesting video but I've always wondered that like do these guys not know soft washing? 😆. Maybe get a long pole with super strong brush or scraper on it and pull the moss down. Then shoot some sodium hypochlorite on it maybe?
@@JPHeath That was some thick ass moss though
@@BRExteriorPro yeah that's exactly the technique I use with my company, apart from we use Biocide for softwashing instead of hypo. We do sometimes use hypo it depends how bad the tiles are
Are you not allowed to use chlorine in that side of the world? In the US I own a roof cleaning company. That would have been done in 2-3 hours with minimal effort due to the use of chemical. Still nice work!
The WetJet 14" Flat Surface Cleaner is also available on the lawn and power website.
It is only rated up to 11 lpm. The nozzle orifices are probably too small for your machine. Luckily they are the standard 1/4” size so you could replace them to get the correct flow for your machine.
I was actually looking at this FSC to pair with the lawn and power 3100 pressure washer which is 11pm.
Fit a pressure gauge and have the pressure around 90 bar to start with , that way you'll always be around the right pressure you'll need mate, also recommend and turbo devil so much easier
Sounds high that's like 1400psi ?
@davegill7614 not really , you running about 1/3 rd pressure you have to have that balance on the pole
Love the video could you tell me what pressure washer you use and what psi and flow rate lpm looking at starting myself and would you recommend a seller much thanks
That is a relevent question indeed
Jake fairplay to you fella. After this house, did you do another house? Just bought my gutter sucker. I've been thinking of doing roofs. Thank you for your video. Respect ❤
If you want a foot pedal I have left one on a job in Redditch I did before Christmas you can have it if it's still there customer said he put it to one side
I well agree with @neverlandio: The holes are one thing and the infiltration is another one. To me Jake is not responsible for the holes (obviously) so he should not fix them, but he seems to be responsible as for the infiltration. So the question remains: Why some will use exactly the same equipment and seem to provoc no infiltration, when Jake apparently did ?.. The answer could be that the water did not get in through the tiles (otherwise there’d be water here and there in the Atic and espacially around the holes which does not seem to be the case), but somehow it did get through the boiler pipe (as neverlandio points it).
I have done a few roof cleans, but always recommended to scrape Mose off and then biocide after. Pressure washing looks great but seriously it’s a risk. The biocide should work well and can slowly change the colour after its rains.
What lance are you using to clean this roof
100 bar maximum pressure, buy a decent turbo nozzle from ac pressure washers and don’t work up the roof that’s how the water can get in.
Tip , get a couple of thick cleaning brushes from the shop and stick them in the gutters. Stops the need for you to clean the gutters out afterwards and keep it out the drain
I wouldn't have never got in to this business if I had to clean like that 😅 I hope you all are paid amazing
you probably should have the nozzle pointing down and start at the top and move down quickly.
What confused me there is that first felt hole you looked at, the fabric on the floor is carbon fibre. That's not the same stuff the roof felt is made of :/ You did a good job. I'm inclined to say that at least some of those tears if not all of them were already there. As you said, it's already been repaired in places. That is very old roof felt. It degrades over time any way. Chin up mate, you did well.
Good job, but invest in the moss matic and get ani vibration gloves 👍🏻
I think she took advantage of you to repair and patch those holes her roof was probably damaged before since you didn’t do a pre inspection
Its the moss over years it seals in between cracks once its removed water seeps in
Would of been there before always pre check inside before a clean. Roof needs to be stripped right back. At least you got clean tiles to go back on.
Nice clean work on the roof, just a shame it caused the felt issues.
Me & my hubby live in one & ours was built in the 1970s identical roofing & he gets up with ladder's walks the roof to the top with the hose pipe & works from middle of roofing & just hoses it off & it still lightens the colour of tiles & other times before Moss builds up to quickly, he waits till the sun as burnt it dry & brushes it off in sections & lines the base of the property like you both did.
Shame it went as it did as your both clean worker's & take everything around you into consideration, as there's some right cowboys out there who couldn't care less.
Did you stop in one place to long?
Soft Wash ONLY, can't believe people pressure wash roof tiles
roofer of 40 years......shouldnt use any presssure washers on roof....steam cleaning only........the pressure washers take the top layer of the roof tiles and cement off making everything pourous and also invalidate any roof warranty or manufacturer warranty on tiles which is normally 50 years......that said you look like competent and tidy workmen and your obviously not afraid to show the downsides as well which takes balls,
if your mums boyfriend is a proper roofer surely he would advice you how bad for a roof this is....
The felt in that roof is 1F which is notriously rubbish after a time........
Tape is useless you need a bitumin adhesive...
you also need to shape the felt slightly tapered when repairing so it is out at the top and goes in at the bottom so the water runs downb the felt..
I think you was just unlucky and got the nozzle at some funny angles...
that felt hasnt been used for 20 years so that felt in that roof is 20 years plus
who told you the felt is to stop wind???
if the roofs done right you shouldnt get any wind.
Roofers always say this but they forget that the top layer is long gone and it's already porous from rainfall.
The top protective coating is long gone by the time you go pressure wash it.
Take photos of the roof when you price it and tell the customer you want a Quick Look in the loft if you see day light coming through
Old damage that is! Not caused by you 👍.. it becomes dry and brittle and is easily punched when shifting things around in the loft
Can’t see that you would of caused that damage
Boom! Just what i needed 😊
Did you pretreat it with SH
Cleanest looking loft space I have ever seen, I'd ALWAYS check them before doing any more roof cleans.
How much for that roof clean?
How much did you charge for this cleaning
No chance in a million years you caused that damage mate.Dont let it hold you back !
Did you treat the roof after ?
He clearly did
You need some wheels on the end of the pole so it could be pushed up and down instead of being held up, dragons den moment 👍
You can’t be sure the turbo nozzle is what caused those holes… they could have been there before you started and the excess water gave them away… do an inspection with pictures and you shouldn’t have any issues.
You can fit scaffolding in a Sprinter van.
youre shooting water under the tile, you needed to float a surface cleaner across the surface
I would say the felt was already like that no way you could have done that as for the fsc I would think wrong jets and you may have to turn the pressure back up as you are running 2 nozzles rather than the 1
Nightmare, you go to do a job with all your best equipment and something goes wrong , I do think the age of the roof has to be taken into consideration before a clean is carried out as tiles can become weak and degraded over many years of been exposed to all sorts of weather eg hairline cracks , the question is how do you spot signs of damage on a roof covered in moss ?
Good video think you was unlucky with that felt it was already battered lol you did a good job good to know to go inside and check if i ever make that step of taking a roof on
The clue is that there were previous repairs . I don’t see how your work could have caused the holes. The water in the airing cupboard could have been you being careless rinsing down and getting water into the flue.
That tape a glue bodge wtf 😂
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I don’t understand - Why is basically every video I watch about pressure washing from the UK I see the guys up there with ladders and extension poles Using pressure or scrubbing the roof or some sort of inefficient method. There has to be a reason, so please explain to me because it’s impossible that you guys don’t know about soft washing. So what’s the reason? Why can’t you guys just soft Wash the roof with 6% SH And be done with it? I understand You should manually remove and clean up the huge Moss clumps, but aside from that, lay that bleach on nice and Heavy and let Time do the rest
Them holes aren’t from your nor are they your fault they are from the roofers/chippys that done the extension! Coming from roofing you shouldn’t use pressure on roofs either
Somebody once said in a video I watched "Never never never ever, never pressure wash a roof"
Soft wash it and them let the rain wash it off
Pop around ASAP and mop it up , that's all you can do mate
Honestly I can't see its being your fault, if the tile has no hole there is no way you can damage the felt under the tile.I have washed exact same tile roofs for 3 years now and never had any issues, and yes tiles should protect the roof from water not the underlay.Only thing is that I use hot water and twin turbo nozzle, that way you work with lot less pressure and get same results.Heads up,you just got really unlucky that's all, always before you start cleaning roofs go around and make multiple pictures of the cracked tiles, damaged concrete etc, so customer wouldn't blame you.
You’ve done nothing wrong mate , the roofers have caused the holes and just put the tile over it . Your water wouldn’t penetrate the tile or you would see it as you were cleaning the tiles .
How did you get the moss off the front edges of the tiles, ive done 100s of roofs never had an issue however i always do a survey and if it shouldn'tbe done i tell them sorry its not for you. , but ye you should of looked in the loft before starting, you could of caused a big issue, and it would of been your fault for not looking and having the knowledge to recommend weather or not a roof is in the right condition to clean to start with, maybe go learn a bit about roofing and how a roof is built before offering something that COULD potentially cause £1000s in damage, its someones home at the end of the day. Not a jab, just free advice,😊
Bituminous felt usually very brittle, so if you jeted up the tiles doing the front edge you could of caused it. Get a rope access course done, and do it right .. good luck
That’s great advice. Let’s go and do a roofing course with absolutely no intention of ever doing any roofing. All because a customer got some water in her loft.😂. The issue was clearly there before he started. fair enough go and check it but to spend a fortune learning roofing is absolutely bonkers. That’s what insurance is for pal. It’s a safety net. Just like the “ hundreds of roofs you’ve cleaned”. You had to do your first one just like everyone else
That damage was not done by that turbo tip or by anything you did that damage was prior to your appearance.
@arronsherwood4835
Quite possible so....However could you prove that categorically if the homeowner took you to court over it?
The fact that he carried out repairs could be (in law) an admission of his liability.
Mate you haven’t done nothing wrong.. it’s old felt tel the customer she needs to have breathable membrane installed that felt as been up there since 70s 👍
dont offer jet washing roofs, we only offer scrape and biocide treatment. too many things that can go wrong jet washing roofs. looks like maybe you had you turbo nozzle and the wrong angle facing towards the edge of the tile. educate customers about how just a scrape and biocide is better, less to go wrong but takes longer to clean
Soft wash
Would it not be better to spray some cleaning chemical like the ones used to wash drives to loosen up the moss and dirt first?
12v soft wash couldn’t have done that👀👀?
And that's why you don't pressure wash a roof :(
Regardless of whether it was your fault or not, that is definitely not how you patch felt 🤦🏻♂️
A roof should never be high pressure washed. A scrape and biocide would be much safer, no risk of causing any damage, and the results will be the same after 3-4 months.
Stick to driveway cleaning. Roofs are a minefield for being liable for water damage. Rotten old felt. Not enough overlap allowed by the tile installers. Cracked or displaced tiles. Roof sag causing tiles to be pulled apart. Mortar degrading. Lead flashing coming adrift.
It's not worth it.
only softwash roofs
Kudos mate for your use of innovative products and your have a go spirit, but like they say….”if it was that fucking easy everybody would be doing it” stick at it maybe and apply all the disclaimers first or fuck it off😢
And that’s when you up sell her for a re roof!! 💷💷🤑💸💰
I'm looking at all these comments with people saying "I'm sure the holes were already there". Remember that critical moment when he adjusted the angle of the Turbo nozzle and said "I think that'll work"? Well he thought wrong. Why in the world you would even apply pressure to a shingle or tiled roof in the first place blows my mind, but to adjust the angle of the nozzle to hit directly perpendicular to the tiles or even slightly upward to where it can force water up and under the tiles like that is just straight negligence. You should look into cleaning with chemicals rather than with pressure. You're just asking for trouble and wasting a lot of valuable time.
as someone who works for the warranty department for one of the largest shing manufacturers in the world, OC, pressure washing a roof was your first mistake. Even tile roofs state that pressure washing a roof voids the warranty for the roof. If you do this, its vandalism
Man get u a roof pump or 24 soft wash system and go watch southeast soft washing videos ...
Clicked on the video just to see someone use that piece of trash pole 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Interested to know why you think it's trash
It's crap lining take on more roofs and learn from each job
Amateurs, soft wash with high sh %
Miles easier without that pole, just climb up with the standard lance and turbo nozzle, put a pair of socks over your shoes and you’ll grip like a spider
stop pressure washing roofs, you clearly have no idea what damage you are doing long term! you cannot pressure wash a man made concrete tile, you've just shortened the lifespan of your customers roof, thanks for keeping us boys in work tho, stick to driveways 😤
No u
Don't be a tosser with him.... Carry on mate
@@VXRHSV dont be a tosser? carry on? carry on what?? wrecking people's roofs?????? yeah great advice. contact any tile manufacturer, Marley, Russell, Santoft, Breedon or Redland and ask all them the same question, can you pressure wash concrete tiles??? and they will reply the same thing. Do your research before taking on jobs you know nothing about.
@@jamiecrosbie im not saying you're wrong but i've never seen any of the manufacturers state about what particular pressures are bring used. There's a big difference between your regular pressure washer and cleaning a roof on low pressure assuming the roof is not in bad condition, low pitch, fragile tiles, etc
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