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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ก.ค. 2018
- The epic western is back! Hostiles is great, but with one glaring and easily fixed flaw. This movie explores violence and hate inherent in the American West, in a way that no film has attempted in a long time. It is perfectly ambiguous, and you should watch the film.
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Hutton, Paul Andrew. The Apache Wars: The Hunt for Geronimo, the Apache Kid, and the Captive Boy Who Started the Longest War in American History. New York: Broadway Books, 2017.
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(and thanks to Dr. Hutton for giving me some of the criticism for this review offhandedly - It's all your fault, hehehe)
Hämäläinen, Pekka. The Comanche Empire. New Haven, Conn.: Yale University Press, 2008.
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Lahti, Janne. Cultural Construction of Empire: The US Army in Arizona and New Mexico. Lincoln, University of Nebraska Press, 2012.
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Lamar, Howard Roberts. The Far Southwest, 1846-1912: A Territorial History. Rev. ed. New York: W. W. Norton, 1970.
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White, Richard. Railroaded: The Transcontinentals and the Making of Modern America. New York: W. W. Norton, 2011.
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Wiki:
Hostiles is a 2017 American Western film written and directed by Scott Cooper, based on a story by Donald E. Stewart. It stars Christian Bale, Rosamund Pike, Wes Studi, Ben Foster, Stephen Lang, Jesse Plemons, Rory Cochrane, Adam Beach, Q'orianka Kilcher, and Timothée Chalamet. It follows a U.S. Cavalry officer who must escort a Cheyenne war chief and his family back to their home in Montana in 1892.
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I'm glad a movie like this has been made in 2018
I don't want a story to be watered down and preachy
DarkSendo94 Yeah, I didn’t know all that much going into the theatre, but came out loving the film.
*2017
Just watched this last night. Absolutely loved it. Going into it, everyone told me it was boring because of the lack of action, but that's to be expected from some people
@B. Tacktheritrix Master and Commander is one of my favorite films of All Time!!!
Awesome movie
I didn't watch "In The Heart of the Sea" on the big screen because a young person told me it was boring. Unless a movie is full of explosions and CG scenes most people won't like it. I don't put much stock in what people say.
To me it was just realistic not boring refreshing
This movie is really dark, and sometimes hard to watch. It's scary, but not because of the blood or battle, but because of how accurately it portrays raw visceral hate. It has its redeeming moments, and while full of tragedy, it is also spotted with hope. I like how they told the story, and set you up not for cheering for one side, but cheering for overcoming hate with friendship.
I loved the message of overcoming hate with friendship. I thought it was a beautiful message that's very relevant today.
I don't think this movie is about overcoming hate per se. I think that for Bale's character hate was the only feeling he had inside of him he could hold on to. He had nothing else. And once he met the woman, saw her grief and her vulnerability, that hate was pretty quickly replaced by love.
Thats a very interesting take. I hadn't thought of it in that way before.
I hadn't heard of this movie, but now I really want to see it. Any film involving Native Americans has such a strong tendency to rebel against racism and silly cowboys and Indians stereotypes that they oversimplify the events. They make one side look like innocent and noble people victimized by a cartoon villain. Any movie that portrays each side as having valid reasons to hate the other would not only be more accurate, it would make a film feel rich and fresh.
TensileStrength excellent movie
I highly recommend "dances with wolves"
Im late to the party but i just rented this at my library and it was kinda slow but it kept me mesmerised and intrested in whats gonna happen, wes Studi is a good Indian actor, they should of put him in fear of the walking dead with the other Indian guy named Walker, that would of been a good paring.
I put at seventy percent 3:10 to Yuma, thirty percent Last Samurai. Maybe that's too cute a one-line summary, but it truly is an incredible film. Builds slowly.
Always amusing when White people find a movie or book about the ethnic cleansing of the West "balanced".
I suspect the only reason they set the movie so late in the century was so they could reference Wounded Knee, which happened in 1890. The conversation Joseph has with the prisoner about this is integral to his character development and our realization of what crimes he has actually committed. I missed this the first time watching, I thought the movie was taking place in the 1870s and was surprised when I realized it was not.
Having said that, I've never been so riveted to a film. I honestly had an experience like no other watching this story unfold.
I've been thinking about this, and I just came up with an idea of why they set this movie in the 1890s instead of the 1880s or 1870s where the events would make more sense. I think they wanted to set the movie "after" the Indian Wars, which a lot of people see as ending with the Wounded Knee Massacre in 1890. Both Yellowhawk and Christian Bale's character are old, at the end of their military careers and are getting ready to leave their violent pasts behind them. Setting it in the 1890s meant all the Easterners in the movie who were arguing for better treatment of Native Americans had a leg to stand on, since whites were now in control and pretty much all tribes were on reservations. The movie, if I'm right, was trying to build a bridge between the violent 19th century and the modern West.
"Understanding hate"... these were the words I was struggling to find to describe this movie. Great video. Fantastic movie!
This movie I heard was dark as hell.
It is
Oh yeah it is.
From beginning to end lol
Someone dies like every 10 minutes
Jarod Farrant infanticide, rape, murder, scalping, suicide, PTSD, racism, genocide and just general hopelessness among other things, yeah its pretty fucking dark.
It’s good to hear someone finally admit that Hate comes from knowledge not ignorance. To call a bigot ignorant just dismisses the fierceness of it
And it tends to carry unfortunate implications.
I disagree. Hate can come from both knowledge and ignorance. There is the deep hatred that comes from knowing what the other party has done/will do to you and your people, and there is the irrational hatred people feel to what they simply do not understand.
Knowledge unfortunately can be built on false assumptions and lies.
I've definately seen uneducated racists as well as educated ones.
It has nothing to do with education. It has to do with knowing the people. Living, working and shopping at the same stores as them. I have seen too many Hispanics and Whites who had black friends as teenagers then after working in warehouses, factories or even spending time in prison wind up Hating black people. They will meet a few that they like but they will always say something like “I don’t want to date my sisters or daughters and I don’t even like seeing them. Having lived in Chicago and the Chicagoland area and being of Irish, Arab and Latino background I can tell you that Black people in general don’t like non-blacks. The Black hatred toward Hispanics is growing. Live in a working class neighborhood and work a low skilled job you will find that humans are a tribal species
As a 7/8 yr old kid, I never could understand why my Dad loved Westerns so much. Movies like Hostiles have since answered that question.
In the opening scene, the colonel mentions the "Department of the Army." Which didn't exist until 1947.
Seen it. Absolutely gripping(direction) & breath taking(cinematography). 1 of the most plausible westerns in years. Couldn't help but shed a tear.
Wow, I need to see this movie. I'm always happy, as a novice historian, when the story of the Europeans meeting and coming into conflict with the Native Americans isn't just white people are bad and evil, something which is sort of displayed in Dances With Wolves (but that also comes down totally to the main character's perspective). Understanding to point of view being displayed and WHY that person within the movie has that view, historically, makes for a good "history" film. Nothing worse than attributing our morality onto the characters of the past.
Oh I'm so happy. Once again you've done one of the few films I've had time to watch (once again on a plane) in the last few months.
I really enjoyed this film (despite having a bit of head-scratching from the historical issues) and I always enjoy your videos!
I think you've nailed it again: a film about a broader theme that is easier for an audience to grasp and come to terms with if it's 100+ years removed from our current internal battles.
5:50 God, that's powerful.
If I were stuck in a "violent leftie" v. "violent-rightie" battle (again), I will post that quote for everyone to see.
Sometimes people just want to fight regardless of the sense of it - sometimes they just want someone to which they can vent their anger and frustrations, it's often not the people who are really deserving of it, who caused the anger and frustrations in the first place. When I see people get into violent scuffles at protests this is what comes to mind a lot of the time. That isn't to say the things being debated aren't important to debate, I just think a lot of the violent frustration comes from elsewhere.
IMHO; any ideology eventually eats its own. I'm in a fairly unique position in that I've been a street activist since age 11 or so (reading Socialist philosophy at such a young age, it leaves a Marx on you.) and thus had the time to do the whole figuring out that idealistic assholes are still just assholes thing very early on. I also spent some time 'undercover' in some actual Nazi circles for an article I wrote for a large publication.
Left, right... they fight more internal battles than external. Not for nothing that The Business wrote "Real Enemy". (Reality punk is all together
The real enemy, the real enemy
Fighting each other, it just ain't clever
The real enemy, the real enemy
You've got the wrong enemy picking on a friend
The real enemy, the real enemy
If we don't stand together then this is the end
The real enemy, the real enemy
Today's youth stand together
The real enemy, the real enemy
In your combat or in your leather
The real enemy, the real enemy)
One thing I've learned is to recognize the new converts. Those are the meme-shitlords, the tumblr crowd that takes Social Justice over the top... And that every side (except Tankies and Nazis, obviously. Those are just cults.) honestly believes theirs is the one that would do the most good for the world. I wrote this in a Facebook group a few days ago:
"Problem in this, and other, groups is not that the admins are all part of a great anti-conservative conspiracy, it's that the current political climate empowers people with no logic/reasoning skills, terrible manners and no class. These people adopted 'conservative', but in my book JRR Tolkien was a conservative, Gary Gygax was a Libertarian/Conservative - people of high intelligence, great wit and with a lot to bring to any debate.
If the best you have is a list of talking points like immigration and a shitty attitude, you're not a conservative. You're just a mediocre person trying to be bigger while the wave you're riding holds."
You can turn that around neatly to aim at the left too. IMHO.
except that only the left is wrong and their actions will hurt people even decades after their marxist bullshit kill us all
Who knew one of those very people would come to see and react to David Dylan's post with no ability to self reflect.
prallund feucht hahahahaha
hopefully, with that idea, we can finally make a decent Spanish civil war film that doesn't glamorize either side but to understand why they hated the other side.
Real hate is also the impossible to overcome, but when you do it’s something beautiful and you feel more at peace.
I said right after seeing that movie for the first time, that a comanche attack in 1892 would have been highly unlikely. Because the Comanche were locked up in the Fort Sill Reservation in Oklahoma since 1875 and heavily guarded. Showing hostile Comanches in a movie set in the 1890s is unprofessional and unhistorical.
310 to yuma is a pretty good western
Also stars Christian Bale and Ben Foster
That it was. Both 3:10 to Yuma and Hostiles are excellent. Seems like Bale and Foster in a western together is a sign the film has a level of greatness to it.
If you like 3:10 to Yuma, I’d recommend Appaloosa with Ed Harris and Viggo Mortensen.
My hat is off to you cypher, a short yet brilliant review, I agree, timing on the date could be better, but if we just take that away and change it to 1882, it makes it so much better.
this was a great analysis , seems you loved the film as much as LSOO in his Hostiles and Wind River: Bound by Sorrow video.
guess i should watch them once i'm ready with my western homework
I love your review dude. This movie shows atrocities happen on both side.
Bro they stole our land that we had for more than 100,000 years with fraud and trucks thru treaties because they couldn’t steal it forcibly it’s pretty one sided just because our way of life wasn’t others doesn’t mean we weren’t people aka savages btw to this day we are called savages in the Declaration of Independence I’m js do more research bro they bought atrocity on themselves because violence was already apart of our lives for generations
natives land being taken away and over 100,000 million natives killed that’s only on record btw are the two atrocities I would say tbh the rest Europeans French and Spanish brought on themselves
@@leonardmartinez0461 With that mindset, you are no better than Blocker or Chief Yellow Hawk at the beginning of the film.
I'd suggest you doing films like Stalin (1992), The Great Escape (1963), Battle of the Bulge (1965) or Elizabeth (1998).
This is one of the reasons why I love the John Ford/John Wayne Trilogy so much. Rio Grande, She Wore a Yellow Ribbon, and Fort Apache do a great job of showing the complexities of human interactions.
Many people do refer to Star wars as a space Western, and thinking there needs to be a desert or sand to be a western is kind of silly, what's more important the plot, characters, development, tropes, and iconic visual style, or sand. You've got your definition of what a true western is, that's all good we all have our own definition systems, I just think it's literally pointless to seperate things out like that, no no this is a true western because I think it fits more in the category i created while watching westerns as a 8 year old, and that one doesn't because it tried new things. but your review, moving forward lol
I loved this movie for the same reason I loved Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri. They're two movies that couldn't be more socially relevant but they do it in a politically incorrect way. One movie shows racist cops become heroes. The other shows Natives as savages. But they both show the flip side, they both show that we can overcome hate and that hate isn't what defines us
I wonder what kind of rasism that girl lived after he free them 😢
Can you review Midway (1976)? It’s major innacuracies come from the stock footage they had to use due to budget. However the way they show the planning and reconnisaince (yeah, I can’t spell), I hear is pretty spot on. It’s got some great performances from some great actors and is in my opinion one of the last Great War spice of its time.
Great video! Have to go and watch it.
I recently found your channel after watching "Darkest Hour". I wanted to find out if it was accurate or not (I was horribly disappointed to find out the subway scene was not real lol). I've watched a bunch of your BoaTS series. I was disappointed to not find 42. I was very interested in the movie because I love historical baseball movies, but have not yet seen it because I've feared it would be a racial propaganda piece rather than a historical movie. Would love to see you do 42 to decide if it's worth watching...
Hey, Cipher, excellent video as usual! I'd like to know what you think of the film "Captain Corelli's Mandolin" and the events that it's supposed to cover - the battle, and resultant massacre, of the Acqui Division on the Greek island of Cephalonia during the Second World War. It's an episode of the war that's gone virtually unknown to the world outside of the areas it affected and those who partook in the events so I was very surprised it was chosen as the basis for a major motion picture, though it is one of the largest single massacres of POWs during the war and also one of the more tragic instances of 'friendly-fire'. I don't mean for you to actually make a video on it or anything, I'd just like to know if you've seen it and what your thoughts happened to be on the film's direction and the source material. :)
Have you read War of a Thousand Deserts by Brian Delay? I'm curious on your take in this book and would like to know if you would make more videos based on the Borderlands scholarship. It's rich but I'm having difficult to define Borderlands in such a way it makes sense to me. Thank you!
I have it on the shelf (digitally), but haven't read it. I was going to use it for a paper I wrote, but the index didn't have what I wanted. Just one of many borderlands books, I'm afraid. Maybe I'll talk about borderlands history, but it is a weird subject to summarize in 10-20 minutes
Thanks for your reply. I love your videos and hope to see more of your work. Cheers, m8.
I really wanna watch this now
TheGerthax
Be warned, it's a long one.
It's on Netflix if you haven't yet.
It's still on netflix
I put at seventy percent 3:10 to Yuma, thirty percent Last Samurai. Maybe that's too cute a one-line summary, but it truly is an incredible film. Builds slowly.
Have you read Three Years Among the Comanches by Nelson Lee? I returned it to the library last year after seeing that i can read it online, but still haven't got back to it yet.
The Comanche history I've read is Pekka Haimalainan's Comanche Empire. It's linked in the description and quite a good read
Thank you for this review,I'll be looking out for this film in the UK.
Yo Troop. Geronimo was held at Fort Sill Oklahoma! I did basic training at Fort Sill and photos of Geronimo and the Guardhouse were all over the Fort to be seen.
As a fan of spaghetti westerns is there any other westerns you will recommend?
Dude has PTSD, every character in the film is or was him at one time.
He's dying the West is dying and he is reviewing his life and actions as he too, is dying.
"Look, I fixed your movie." Can't help but feel that's pretty much what you've done with each review.
It seems like there are at least a handful of movies set in the Old West which are viewing the violence, prejudice, etc through a less favorable lens than classic Westerns. Old Westerns are defined as much by their implied attitude towards the West as the setting itself, so I find this interesting. I wonder if this trend will catch on enough to deserve its own subgenre...
As far as text books are concerned, in my experience at least, Indigenous peoples didn't come into existence until the Trail of Tears, and the rest of them were killed at Wounded Knee. Then it about ends.
Maybe the big skirmishes stopped in the 1880s but there were still some fires from the Indian Wars that were smoldering. That scene for example would have made sense in Colorado or Utah when there were still raids on ranches by young Ute Indians.
There was even a "1913 Navajo War", which honestly though sounds way more bloodier than it actually was. Basically, religious zealot Indian Agent kicks a hornet nest, and the army is begrudgingly sent in.
Saw it recently. One of the best, most powerful and meaningful movies in years.
Love the Blazing Saddles clip!
One of the best movies I've seen in years.
This movie is one of the best Western film Ive seen. It is a great period film but underrated and biasedly snubbed by the Oscars. Every moviefans who loves period films should watch it.
Hey Cypher, ever considered doing a review on Generation Kill?
Damn. I started to tear up from those closing words.
Would you ever do a review on inglorious bastards or more to my taste the people they wheir based on british troops referred to as X soilders
why didn't they leave the date and place vague.
Hey, I love your reviews and your content regarding Americans history. Keep up the good work. Can you do all the US presidents? Both the positives and their sinful negatives!! Perhaps senators of the past that had profound impacts in the US of their times. I love learning American history but sometimes CSU chico doesn’t give me the all American burger of history they give me the American French fries with each piece but liberalized content
Seen Hostiles a few times, really good movie
Excellent video, definitely want to watch the film.
A bit late to this, but my take on the inclusion of each episode of violence was to encapsulate the history of the US Army on the frontier and even back east. Each conflict they deal with is essentially a microcosm of their duties: fighting Indians, policing the expansion of the lands (and often evicting treaty violators, as in the Black Hills after the 1874 expedition confirmed the presence of gold), dealing with the KKK in the South, and ultimately being asked to also deal with Indian outbreaks and the overall Indian question. The ending points to a bit of that conundrum, both in finding a place for the Indians now that the war is over ((literally and figuratively), and what someone like Captain Blocker will do now that he has no enemies left.
It also captures the makeup of the Army in microscale: battle-hardened officers (one commissioned and one an NCO), a fresh West Pointer, a black trooper, and an immigrant recruit. This would not be accurate as a unit due to segregation, but it truly makes up a cross-section of the frontier US Army. Later we find examples of their struggle with PTSD and alcohol, boredom, etc, intermixed with brief moments of excitement and terror from conflict.
The screenwriter died long before this script was found in a drawer and sold, so we don’t have the benefit of asking him about these things, but as someone who has read and studied the Indians Wars era for three decades, that was my take on the seemingly anachronistic construction and events of this movie.
YES!!!! YES!!!!!!! This comment is gold, because it checks the boxes of everything this movie did right, historically and narratively. Excellent observation and excellent takeaway, outstanding!
Yay another based on a true stories!
Would you like to do a review on the movie Catch Me If You Can (2002)?
I bet he's gonna be pissed.
Could you please give your thoughts on AMC’s the terror?
not much to say. It has a supernatural monster, which is obviously false
Anyone know what the music used at 3:00 is?
Just watched which led me here , I think I just cried the last 10 years of my life away 💓💓💓so many parts caught me uncontrollably
😂😂😂😂
Hey he gets on the train at the end. That qualifies as a happy ending doesn't it?
You could review a movie called 'Their finest' it's based in the 1940s about a film production making a "based on a true story" I've watched a few of your videos and I believe this movie is perfect for you to review because it shows why they change accurate things to make the movie "better" so they say.
Loved this movie, watched it when it came out. Best western of this decade
The native kid had no emotion
Big Franku dude that’s how it was back then. Kids nowadays grow up with a conflictive family and supposedly have “ptsd”. back then, native children and settlers children could lose their whole family in one raid or battle and they were expected to just move on.
Just watched this....bloody brilliant!
About the year of action - I think it meant to be kind of symbolic, as it's placed 2 years after the year of 1890, which is vastly treated as the date of "the end of Indian Wars" in the USA.
The Buffalo soldiers deserve a Epic western ❤.
Nice review man. It's funny I live a walk away from a native massacre called the "Allen family massacre". They were iroquois I believe part of the british army making their way to Saratoga.
Seen it when it first came out . Great Movie , classic !
Red & White loving each other is like a Pink Ponderosa in an authentic Red White & Blues Paradise.🇺🇸🌞👁️🐣💃✌️💗
Whats the misic on the outro?
Overcoming hate is what makes this country great.
Would love for you to take a look at Journey's End (a British movie on WWI, but it's on Kodi)...
Good review. Right on point about hate.
3:10 to Yuma was after open rang i think and it was a pretty proper western, id also argue dead wood counts even though its an hbo show
Would be interesting what you think of "The siege of jadotville".
It was really nice to see Ben Foster and Christian Bale together in a film like this. 3:10 to Yuma vibes
You didn’t care for Appaloosa?
i’ve seen this film. it’s very dark and disturbing, but the message is powerful and i really recommend it
Cypher I have a suggestion. There's an anime biopic movie I was wondering if you would review: The Wind Rises. Directed and I think written by Hayo Miyazaki. It's about the real life Japanese aviation engineer; Jiro Horikoshi.
Masterpiece !
If a movie is set in the old west then it's a western. Star Wars is a western set in outer space.
A perfectly great review for a perfectly great movie.
0:48 “we haven’t seen a proper epic western since Open Range”
Wth? Guess I don’t see why Open Range is such a great Western. Hope you do a video on it. Now, Unforgiven, is a great movie. Maybe do a video on that.
Honestly one of my favourite movies
Everything is a Western. The Western doesn't depend on setting, it depends on if the film is beholden to the Frontier Narrative of FJT.
I wasn't gonna watch this movie. But because of your psudo positive endorsement,Ill watch it this weekend.
good review. thank you.
Surviving after a genocide
medium.com/@JacquesCoulardeau/surviving-after-a-genocide-8ed249186f58
SCOTT COOPER - HOSTILES - 2017
This film is thus a call for stepping over past divides, past hatred, past hostilities, past conflicts and building a new world of harmony, discussion, exchange, and togetherness. We can today pull down the mental and psychological walls we have built between the various ethnic groups and cultural communities in our societies.
hey , i know you never reply to insipid comments , but , what qualifies Open Range as the true last proper western ever made? 0:48
Because i forgot about True Grit when i made that video
WOW thank you so much for replying , i know you must be busy but may i take advantage of the situation to ask about Trumbo with Bryan Cranston , is it Historically Faithful in your very brief opinion?
I don't remember TBH. I watched it and wasn't left with much of an impression
oh well , thanks for replying anyway. Godspeed
Please for the love of God talk about Red Dead Redemption 2 and if it can stand as a westerner story on its own
Cleavon Little holding it in and Gene Wilder noticing it is the best
A movie that captures more or less the sense of entitlement that settlers had at the end. Family stories of natives often talk about how hostile whites were to those who wondered off rez.
Absolutely fantastic film I can't understand why it was filmed in 1891' all the same really well acted
Great film. Defiantly underrated and overlooked. Christian Bale should have been nominated for an Academy Award.
You ever seen Chicogrande??? It's a Mexican movie but it's based on the largely forgotten Punitive Expedition.
Can You Do A Video On "The Zookeeper's Wife"? It's A Movie A Saw A While Back, About SOme Polish people Who Helped Shelter Jews During The Holocaust And World War 2.
I highly recommend the Disney movie Savage Sam to see a character that truly understands hate.
Can you do a video on The Assassination of Jesse James by The Coward Robert Ford? Masterful film.
What a great little review. I loved this movie when I saw it when it came out and now I think I'll need to watch it again.
0:50 just out of curiosity, do you not consider TV shows in this statement?
I'm thinking of "Deadwood" and even more so of AMC's Hell of Wheels.
But I guess you are just talking about feature films.
i don't think there's ever been an epic Western TV show. the format doesn't really for the subgenre
The Cynical Historian hmmm. Ok fair point.
I said the exact same thing about this movie being set a decade too late when I first saw it. Also, minor nitpick that doesn't really affect the story, but the soldiers should be wearing Prussian style pickelhaube helmets for their dress uniforms. Doesn't matter much on the trail since dress standards at the time were more lax in the field, but I feel like some of the soldiers in the fort scenes should have been wearing pickelhaubes instead of kepis.
What about 2011 True Grit?