As a European whose country was occupied by the Germans in WWII (my family lived in Operation Market Garden territory), I’ve always had a fascination with this darker side of America’s history. Because unlike my country’s history with Germany, which today is basically water under the bridge, America’s past (at least; as its been portrayed in the western genre) still feels largely unprocessed, unresolved; the sorrow is still so tangible. And I think the combination of Hostiles and Wind River formed an interesting thematic duo to explore that. Let me know your thoughts!
Like Stories of Old history of every country is founded on bloodshed. That’s how things were, even back then, but some people think that only ours is. I am an individualist, so I won’t treat myself or anyone else as if people are responsible for the sins of their ancestors. That is how things like racism are born, after all.
That attitude is what allows these atrocities to happen, history may be steeped in bloodshed, but you're fooling yourself if you think any of this is in the past.
Immense pain bought about yes, indeed the destruction of another people culturally and spiritually. But the world of the Native American would not become resurrected even if Europeans commited cultural and ethnic suicide both there in the US and and our European homelands, which is of course what is encouraged even more with this type of movie without placed in context. Also, this is the internal contradiction which is not escapable of Liberal Democracies; that the apparent inherent value in freedom (a view they espouse) is based on the initial establishment of a state that is done by violence, either perpetrated against it's own people or others or both. Then it goes on as in Western Liberal Democracies to become what one might call Materialistic Spirituality - essentially that promiscuity, hedonism and capitalism can nourish the human soul because this system guarantees 'Freedom'
Dear Lone Wolf, seeking movies or tv series that show solutions to end lateral violence, family scapegoating, dysfunctional behaviour in First Nations aboriginal communities ASAP please? We need ... like this video suggests looking at sitting in empathy, listening and healing but often the culprits even narcissistic moms refuse to sit in family group talking and empathy building relationships. Great movies, good the people support each other. But in our community family fractures create stalemate and walls
Someone finally understands what it is to be an American. Never thought I'd see the day someone actually spoke up about it. This pain and sorrow is not just the sins of the native issues, but also the war we fought between ourselves and continue to fight in many ways. No one wants to sit down and speak with one another for a little while...
Or accept the wrongdoings. Personally, I understand why some of my ancestors have attacked the settlers. That we were also aggressors But i haven't met any American who would take equal responsibility for their Militaries actions
@@colleennewholy9026 Call it 'White guilt', or some other term - but I feel so deeply ashamed and saddened by what we Western Europeans did, and still do, to the Native people of this country. My first ancestor arrived on these shores in the late 1600's. God knows what my family has done to Native peoples over the centuries. I'm truly, sincerely sorry. This is a crime that we Anglo-Americans have never taken real responsibility for, and perhaps that's why these wounds still linger today.
pretty sure not one single american besides the white guilt liberals feel sorrow and guilt for what happened in the past.... american culture is a culture of be and let be, nothing special about that...
Wind River was one of my favorites, if not favorite movie of 2017. I just finished Hostiles, another fantastic film, very moving. And now I see this video, it's some kind of a dream.
Dear, LSOO I am one of your subscribers. I am a Native American. A Navajo of the Taa'Chnee' clan, part Ponca, Creek, Sioux. I enjoyed your analysis on both movies which I have watched. It is funny to see Wes Studi, my father met him, in the movie Geronimo. Played as a extra for the Apaches. I watch your videos this is my favorite, there is something we lost and some we are experiencing today as indian. Loss of culture by accepting western influences, and experiencing the loss of our language. We are slowly losing our connection to the land and nature. Thank you for your video Please continue to make them.
23Revan84 I know.. I grew up with my mother after my parents divorced and we moved to a city in Phoenix and I never knew how it is to feel nature and our land.. I even never knew to speak my language. Its a guilt well deep in my heart..
Lennie Binale It's never too late, go and learn. Find your heritage and embrace it. Make a connection to tribe, because one day it will be gone and no one will remember who we are.
Thank you for your thoughts! I am deeply sorry and ashamed of my ancestors actions. In this chaotic world I wish I could make some difference. As small as my voice is--I'm on your side!
Man, these two movies were brutally violent and kinda hit me like a train, not knowing what I was getting myself into. But also, they were hauntingly beautiful, the majestic landscapes juxtaposed to the mindless slaughter and the eerie violins and ululating music; you are right that they should be viewed as a pair, they are both kindred in theme as in violence. I loved them, they made me cry and I greatly enjoyed your analysis. You are doing a great job and I'm always looking for your new videos. Cheers, mate!
Hostiles hit me particularly hard. Because let's be honest. Most of those Calvary men were suffering shit from after the Civil War. They took everything out of us. Their pain, their rage. Their hopelessness, and maybe even need for more violence. And it honestly pains me. To know that even though the Seventh Calvary hated us (I'm Lakota), they hated us for reasons we couldn't understand at the time. And we hated them, perhaps for the same reason. And due to language and cultural differences. We were truly unable to sit and talk it out. And still can't to this day.
I've seen a lot of video essays and I love many of them but nothing compares to this one. I feel this one in my soul-- deep in the part of me who's a Westerner first and an American second. The sorrow that permeates through these movies is a very real sorrow that I've felt, that I continue to feel. It comes to me when I think of the West-- of the vistas and plains, of the creeks and mountains-- and think of the loss of connection to the Earth. We pave it, we tear it up, we settle it and we mine it but we aren't connected to it. Not anymore.
This society is malnourished in the sacred. My Tribe keeps a hold of our old traditions as much as possible, but it is slowly slipping away from us as well
The ending of Hostiles made me tear up and last time I got sad for a movie ending was a long time ago. I shed some tears not because of its emotional context but the beautiful symbolism behind it. Delivering home the core messages the film presented throughout from beginning to end. Closure and atonement, letting go of the past and acknowledging our sins. Not because we should hold on to that pain. But to move on and learn from our pain, learn how it humbled us to appreciate all life for what it is. Because we are all human. And we all make mistakes.
Something was wrenched out of my soul in this discussion, causing me to cry so much. Loving one another is the only answer to the very worst acts ever committed, and that is my choice.
I just realized something....these videos.....they have, in a very true and spiritual way, become a kind of 'church' for my soul; a place for reflection and deepening, the very best effect a church can have.
I'd watched this and commented below, not yet having seen Hostiles. Tonight, May 6th, I watched it, and my heart broke once more. How can such truths as the bloodsoaked past of humanity even exist, when the only song in me is to love the entire world? It is the only recourse, the only salve, the solitary path from where we have forever been, to what we could in the space of one breath achieve: a world of peace and healing and light, that sacred land the noblest faiths have spoken of, not by arms, not by division, not by power. Love, and love alone. Whoever you are, your words as ever are purest Mana to my soul.
I truly feel the natives were more in touch with life and the world than we ever could be. These videos break my heart but I am glad to see them, to have just a glimpse of the truth that they reveal. We as humans are savages, we kill are own kind for trivial things and oppress the people who in my eyes have a better understanding of what really is important god, family , the earth. We are corrupted by greed. As a Mexican born in America I m grateful to be born here but ashamed at the same time. I fear that these things will never be corrected in my lifetime. before I leave this earth what I want the most in life .is to make a difference , and leave behind something greater than myself. I write these words with a heavy heart and tears in my eyes.
This response to recent American cinema/history is utterly remarkable, beautiful. Empathetic in a wider sense of global guilt and sorrow for everyday's barrage of news and disgrace. Thank you
Glad to see another video about an interesting subject matter. Is great to watch two films that share so many elements, but in very different times and contexts. Keep the good work.
These films are my new favorites in the genre. Instead of telling, it shows the brutality of this conflict and how it still is a cloud over our heads. Dancing with Wolves for a long time was the only one to do this.
Wind River was an exceptional movie and I haven't seen anything like it ever before, I haven't seen Hostiles but I need to now. I'm really happy with this channels in depth look into the philosophical depths of movies. I watched Wind River with my mom and she's not someone who's very emotionally open in certain situations but this movie made us both just look at each other and we both knew what we couldn't say. The ending scene was gritty and uncomfortable and that's what I love in cinema.
Amazing video as always! I loved wind river, so it's great to see an analysis of it, as I feel it's been a bit neglected. I will definitely have to watch hostiles now. Keep up the good work! Xxx
Even as 215 Indigenous children were discovered in a mass grave from an Indian Residential School in Kamloops, it is a living history where the grief is still real and palpable. It is ongoing.
I had seen Wind River a while back and Hostiles was on my watchlist. I saw your new upload thumbnail for this 2 weeks back. I watched it last night and made it a point that the first thing watched today on TH-cam should be this video. Words cant express how moved I am by the interpretation and how amazed I am at your nuanced diligence for each video! Splendid stuff!
Maybe I'm bias because I live in a state with a lot of Native Americans, but this is your best video I've seen. Succinct, impactful, and, to be frank, accurate- truthful.
EXCELLENT choice in using Martin Puehringer's two tracks. Brilliant choice of music. How neither of them has been picked up for a film in the vein of Wind River or Hostiles, I cannot quite fathom, but there it is. Also, a good observation of a subtle shift in the American Western. Not yet seen Hostiles, but Wind River I think stood as film of the year last year for me for all the reasons you cite.
My only criticism is i wish it was longer lol two great movies two movies that broke my heart but made me appreciate the small things in life. When the wife seems happy with you when your son hugs you for no reason just because when you bond with your children over your favorite movies or shows. Sharing a smile or laugh with a loved one. I dread anything happening to my family but i know I’m not in control of that so i try to love each day like it’s special. Thank you again
Great video!! Showcases the wounds of a civilization which is still to some extent refusing to accept it's violent past and destruction of an earlier civilization. Contrasting with films and studies dealing with the civil war, the indigenous groups have surely gotten a raw deal even in present time's with regards to recognition of past violence, loss and destruction.
You blow me away with every new video! Your personal taste in movies seems to be very similar to mine and I am extremely grateful that you can provide such a unique and full analysis to accompany these films. I'll be joining as a Patreon subscriber later today. Thank you for all your work.
My ancestors are Shoshoni. I lived for two years with the Navajo, and speak the Navajo language. Both of these films greatly moved me. I don't think it's possible to not be impressed by the powerful performances. However, I'm concerned about how America's 'Indian history' is portrayed and how America is viewed through the eyes of the modern, low-information viewer. If you believe that our past is as painted and portrayed by such 'historians' as Howard Zinn and his Peoples' History of the United States' you are being misled. Woefully. I've lived all over the world, and speak several languages. More so, I've studied the histories of all the world's continents, peoples, wars, and conquests. The history of the world is the history of displacement, death, starvation, and slavery. But it is also the history of cooperation and even, at times, compassion. In truth, America's 'sins' are universal in the world. What's unique are America's virtues. To state that 'America was built upon violence,' as the narrator says in this video, is simplistic. In many cases, both my Anglo and my Shoshoni ancestors, worked together and cooperated in order to survive. A very many intermarried. Simply, European-Americans could not have survived their move west without learning from the Natives and in many cases, cooperating as friends. While there was killing, even murder, there was also teaming up, even occasionally mutual compassion shown. That has always been the case, in every land. In American Indian history, the Navajos, and Apaches (both from the same racial roots) immigrated from what would become Canada and forced their way onto Pueblo lands of the Southwest. They were strong. They were warlike. As well, the Shoshoni splinter group that became the Comanches, rolled through the western plains from what would become Wyoming south into what would become Texas, displacing several weaker tribes, even wiping some out. Such tragedies could be cited over and over again, in America, and on literally EVERY continent on earth, throughout history. That's the reality. What's amazing, and unique, is that ANY so-called American Indians even exist at all in the United States today. History, on every continent, is the history of conquered and absorbed, or wiped out, peoples, religions, cultures, all of it--absolutely gone. Unfortunately, what Americans are taught in their schools and universities, regarding the history of the United States and its so-called 'Indian Policy' is, again, a skewed, fanciful version of the truth. What is more important, however, especially for Americans today, and for our 'Native American' brothers and sisters, is coming to understand the true challenges people are facing on these hellish Reservations and how Americans, and the American government, could best correct the situation. For damn sure what we are doing right now is not working. Suicide rates, drug and alcohol abuse, child abuse, crime of all kinds, even murder, especially of native women--all highest in the nation in many areas. As the movie Wind River portrays, it's truly tragic. Our nation's Bureau of Indian Affairs is a bloated, ineffectual, even worthless bureaucracy, in my opinion, established and maintained by America's 'progressives' whose policies are, in my opinion, doing far more harm than good. American apologies, and guilt, may make the virtue-signaling Left feel a bit better about themselves, but it's not doing our American Indian brothers and sisters any good. American leaders, as well as all tribal leaders, need to put aside politics, and starry-eyed longing for the return of a past that is dead and buried and start making hard-headed, WORKABLE policies that will actually do some good. What we have now is a system that is the enemy of our long-suffering Native Americans, certainly those still living on the 'Res.' And it tears my heart out to see my friends and relatives suffer as they are. As the wise man once said: 'You can deny reality if you want, but you can never avoid the CONSEQUENCES of denying reality.'
I'm Native, and a proud Navajo.. my people are suffering and HAVE been suffering since Columbus landed. Colonialism is being still felt today. Our traditions, our culture and beliefs are being wiped out..
Beautiful video about two moving films. Wind River is one of my favorite movies, and I am holding Hostiles in high regard after watching it today aswell...
LSOO, Very Interesting. This shows up in my feed, and now my mind is pondering these points. Though I have seen both of these films and enjoyed them immensely, I now see them in a different light. Thanks for this.
Thank you, brilliant montage, could watch this again and again. Yes like the makers of west world spoke about in DVD extras... humans are frozen, or act wrongly, or don’t act at all... avoid sitting in empathy with loved ones... We need to sit in empathy and we need narcissistic personality disorder parenting disorders to be undo with solutions and healthy relationships
I know this is unrelated to the deeper themes being explored here but I always thought the last gun fight in Wind River was an explosion of tension that was a real highlight of that movie and it's undercurrent of violence
Excellently done. America is hard for foreigners to fully grasp. Even most Americans can’t define the nature of America. The native Americans had no chance. Their civilizations were technologically five-thousand years behind those of the invading Europeans. That’s just the way it was. I admire the American natives and can easily a justice in their struggle. Any true American can see both sides of the ordeal and accept them both. Liberty or death. I’m good with it.
Its always a struggle, even to this day. Except we don't have "liberty". If we had our freedom, we would be allowed to live how we used to. My people were nomadic, we roamed the plains in the cycles of the animals and never had to worry about what to do next. Sure it wasn't entirely prosperous or safe. But it was a freedom all of us who grew up on the Reservation wish every day. On my family land, I could take a tent and supplies. And go anywhere I please within that boundary, I could make camp anywhere and visit any of my relations living there. There's no fences, no roads and no electric or gas lines. Empty and useless to most modern westerners. But to me, that place is pure. The way its meant to be, and I am just a visitor. That to me. Is true freedom
This was truly an amazing video and really makes me want to see both movies back to back. What happened to the Native Americans has been truly tragic. They were robbed of their lands, forced onto reservations with land that was practically worthless for humans to thrive and then also forced to give up their culture in the name of religion and becoming civilized. I have always found the cultures of the different tribes fascinating. I think that part of what keeps us as a nation from moving forward is a combination of shame at what was done to them as well as justification on the "manifest destiny" premise that the USA was meant to be founded and built up at all costs.
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As a European whose country was occupied by the Germans in WWII (my family lived in Operation Market Garden territory), I’ve always had a fascination with this darker side of America’s history. Because unlike my country’s history with Germany, which today is basically water under the bridge, America’s past (at least; as its been portrayed in the western genre) still feels largely unprocessed, unresolved; the sorrow is still so tangible. And I think the combination of Hostiles and Wind River formed an interesting thematic duo to explore that. Let me know your thoughts!
Like Stories of Old history of every country is founded on bloodshed. That’s how things were, even back then, but some people think that only ours is. I am an individualist, so I won’t treat myself or anyone else as if people are responsible for the sins of their ancestors. That is how things like racism are born, after all.
That attitude is what allows these atrocities to happen, history may be steeped in bloodshed, but you're fooling yourself if you think any of this is in the past.
My thoughts are as follows: "damn this guy needs more subs!"
Jacc I believe something that happened centuries ago constitutes as in the past.
Immense pain bought about yes, indeed the destruction of another people culturally and spiritually. But the world of the Native American would not become resurrected even if Europeans commited cultural and ethnic suicide both there in the US and and our European homelands, which is of course what is encouraged even more with this type of movie without placed in context. Also, this is the internal contradiction which is not escapable of Liberal Democracies; that the apparent inherent value in freedom (a view they espouse) is based on the initial establishment of a state that is done by violence, either perpetrated against it's own people or others or both. Then it goes on as in Western Liberal Democracies to become what one might call Materialistic Spirituality - essentially that promiscuity, hedonism and capitalism can nourish the human soul because this system guarantees 'Freedom'
This is beautiful.. I'm Native American and born to the Navajo tribe. I'm full blooded Navajo. This video is beyond anything i could imagine.
Lennie Binale ya ta hey brother, grew up near towaoc part kiowa though.
Troy Baker Ya ta brother, nice to meet you
LokiRudder There’s more as both my mothers and fathers families that live on the Rez. Always more out there.
agreed 💙
Dear Lone Wolf, seeking movies or tv series that show solutions to end lateral violence, family scapegoating, dysfunctional behaviour in First Nations aboriginal communities ASAP please? We need ... like this video suggests looking at sitting in empathy, listening and healing but often the culprits even narcissistic moms refuse to sit in family group talking and empathy building relationships. Great movies, good the people support each other. But in our community family fractures create stalemate and walls
Two very underrated films.
wind river not very much underrated, it was an average film due to how mediocre the cinematography was...
@@ishitrealbad3039 Wrong..
@@gin.590 ah yes, you proved me wrong by telling me i'm wrong. damn i fell for the best counter argument ever!
One is a beautiful watch, the other is heartbreaking
Wind river is a very good movie, you strike me as a whiner,with poor taste. @ishitrealbad3039
Someone finally understands what it is to be an American. Never thought I'd see the day someone actually spoke up about it. This pain and sorrow is not just the sins of the native issues, but also the war we fought between ourselves and continue to fight in many ways. No one wants to sit down and speak with one another for a little while...
Or accept the wrongdoings.
Personally, I understand why some of my ancestors have attacked the settlers. That we were also aggressors
But i haven't met any American who would take equal responsibility for their Militaries actions
@@colleennewholy9026 Call it 'White guilt', or some other term - but I feel so deeply ashamed and saddened by what we Western Europeans did, and still do, to the Native people of this country. My first ancestor arrived on these shores in the late 1600's. God knows what my family has done to Native peoples over the centuries. I'm truly, sincerely sorry. This is a crime that we Anglo-Americans have never taken real responsibility for, and perhaps that's why these wounds still linger today.
pretty sure not one single american besides the white guilt liberals feel sorrow and guilt for what happened in the past....
american culture is a culture of be and let be, nothing special about that...
My family didn't come to America until 1932 so you can shove it
The nature of humans make all guilty
Wind River was one of my favorites, if not favorite movie of 2017. I just finished Hostiles, another fantastic film, very moving. And now I see this video, it's some kind of a dream.
this channel has always been, kind of a dream.
Dear, LSOO
I am one of your subscribers. I am a Native American. A Navajo of the Taa'Chnee' clan, part Ponca, Creek, Sioux. I enjoyed your analysis on both movies which I have watched. It is funny to see Wes Studi, my father met him, in the movie Geronimo. Played as a extra for the Apaches.
I watch your videos this is my favorite, there is something we lost and some we are experiencing today as indian. Loss of culture by accepting western influences, and experiencing the loss of our language. We are slowly losing our connection to the land and nature. Thank you for your video Please continue to make them.
Thank you for sharing! I'm glad you appreciated the video :)
23Revan84 I know.. I grew up with my mother after my parents divorced and we moved to a city in Phoenix and I never knew how it is to feel nature and our land.. I even never knew to speak my language. Its a guilt well deep in my heart..
Lennie Binale It's never too late, go and learn. Find your heritage and embrace it. Make a connection to tribe, because one day it will be gone and no one will remember who we are.
23Revan84
Thank you for your thoughts! I am deeply sorry and ashamed of my ancestors actions. In this chaotic world I wish I could make some difference. As small as my voice is--I'm on your side!
I'd love a whole video essay on Wind River.
I'm really surprised I haven't found any.
Man, these two movies were brutally violent and kinda hit me like a train, not knowing what I was getting myself into. But also, they were hauntingly beautiful, the majestic landscapes juxtaposed to the mindless slaughter and the eerie violins and ululating music; you are right that they should be viewed as a pair, they are both kindred in theme as in violence. I loved them, they made me cry and I greatly enjoyed your analysis. You are doing a great job and I'm always looking for your new videos. Cheers, mate!
Hostiles hit me particularly hard. Because let's be honest. Most of those Calvary men were suffering shit from after the Civil War.
They took everything out of us. Their pain, their rage. Their hopelessness, and maybe even need for more violence.
And it honestly pains me. To know that even though the Seventh Calvary hated us (I'm Lakota), they hated us for reasons we couldn't understand at the time.
And we hated them, perhaps for the same reason. And due to language and cultural differences. We were truly unable to sit and talk it out.
And still can't to this day.
Your voice/videos ooze(s) catharsis, what a channel you have indeed.
you expressed my feelings with succinct clarity.
I literally watched Wind River yesterday for the first time! You're a wizard!
I've seen a lot of video essays and I love many of them but nothing compares to this one. I feel this one in my soul-- deep in the part of me who's a Westerner first and an American second. The sorrow that permeates through these movies is a very real sorrow that I've felt, that I continue to feel. It comes to me when I think of the West-- of the vistas and plains, of the creeks and mountains-- and think of the loss of connection to the Earth. We pave it, we tear it up, we settle it and we mine it but we aren't connected to it. Not anymore.
This society is malnourished in the sacred.
My Tribe keeps a hold of our old traditions as much as possible, but it is slowly slipping away from us as well
The ending of Hostiles made me tear up and last time I got sad for a movie ending was a long time ago. I shed some tears not because of its emotional context but the beautiful symbolism behind it. Delivering home the core messages the film presented throughout from beginning to end. Closure and atonement, letting go of the past and acknowledging our sins. Not because we should hold on to that pain. But to move on and learn from our pain, learn how it humbled us to appreciate all life for what it is. Because we are all human. And we all make mistakes.
Wind River was so underrated! This is the first mention of it I see on TH-cam and I'm glad you're giving it attention.
Something was wrenched out of my soul in this discussion, causing me to cry so much. Loving one another is the only answer to the very worst acts ever committed, and that is my choice.
Another moving and soul searching gem.
This is the first TH-cam video I almost cried to. Thank you
I think this might be your best video yet. Thank you so much for making this, it really made me reconsider Hostiles in a new light.
I went out and watched both these films as a result of this video essay. Wind River is incredible and Hostiles is a powerful film as well. Thank you.
This is one of the most profound videos on the form of cinema I have ever seen. My brain.
These two films are so excellent and underrated. Truly works of art the both of them
I just realized something....these videos.....they have, in a very true and spiritual way, become a kind of 'church' for my soul; a place for reflection and deepening, the very best effect a church can have.
I'd watched this and commented below, not yet having seen Hostiles. Tonight, May 6th, I watched it, and my heart broke once more. How can such truths as the bloodsoaked past of humanity even exist, when the only song in me is to love the entire world? It is the only recourse, the only salve, the solitary path from where we have forever been, to what we could in the space of one breath achieve: a world of peace and healing and light, that sacred land the noblest faiths have spoken of, not by arms, not by division, not by power. Love, and love alone. Whoever you are, your words as ever are purest Mana to my soul.
The human error perhaps the scapegoat mechanism. We scapegoat our own children in family systems. Yet nobody ready to talk about that yet.
Watched Hostiles earlier today and now I see one of my favourite youtubers has made a video covering it's themes? Neeto!
These could be the best video series of film analysis on TH-cam. Amazing work.
I truly feel the natives were more in touch with life and the world than we ever could be. These videos break my heart but I am glad to see them, to have just a glimpse of the truth that they reveal. We as humans are savages, we kill are own kind for trivial things and oppress the people who in my eyes have a better understanding of what really is important god, family , the earth. We are corrupted by greed. As a Mexican born in America I m grateful to be born here but ashamed at the same time. I fear that these things will never be corrected in my lifetime. before I leave this earth what I want the most in life .is to make a difference , and leave behind something greater than myself. I write these words with a heavy heart and tears in my eyes.
This response to recent American cinema/history is utterly remarkable, beautiful. Empathetic in a wider sense of global guilt and sorrow for everyday's barrage of news and disgrace. Thank you
What a time to be alive.
Glad to see another video about an interesting subject matter.
Is great to watch two films that share so many elements, but in very different times and contexts.
Keep the good work.
Pilamaye (“thank you” in Lakota) for this great video.
Two of my favorite films. “A pain that must be carried forever,” I love that quote.
These films are my new favorites in the genre. Instead of telling, it shows the brutality of this conflict and how it still is a cloud over our heads. Dancing with Wolves for a long time was the only one to do this.
Wind River was an exceptional movie and I haven't seen anything like it ever before, I haven't seen Hostiles but I need to now. I'm really happy with this channels in depth look into the philosophical depths of movies. I watched Wind River with my mom and she's not someone who's very emotionally open in certain situations but this movie made us both just look at each other and we both knew what we couldn't say. The ending scene was gritty and uncomfortable and that's what I love in cinema.
Wind River made me sob like a little baby. What you said about running away crying of freedom, god. I wish I had somewhere to stop running.
Just watched Windriver and I came searching, knowing this Chanel has to have covered it. Not disappointed, thank you.
Man do i love your work! Hope to see lots of them!
Amazing video as always! I loved wind river, so it's great to see an analysis of it, as I feel it's been a bit neglected. I will definitely have to watch hostiles now. Keep up the good work! Xxx
Even as 215 Indigenous children were discovered in a mass grave from an Indian Residential School in Kamloops, it is a living history where the grief is still real and palpable.
It is ongoing.
Anger and sadness are written in us.. us, native folk... our trauma is everlasting.
I had seen Wind River a while back and Hostiles was on my watchlist. I saw your new upload thumbnail for this 2 weeks back. I watched it last night and made it a point that the first thing watched today on TH-cam should be this video. Words cant express how moved I am by the interpretation and how amazed I am at your nuanced diligence for each video! Splendid stuff!
Thank you for understanding.
Awesome. Just sublime. These are the feelings Colombian cinema needs to shout...
I never get bored of you bro. I can watch this over and over again. Keep doing this beautiful pieces of art...
Why does every video you make have me in tears 37 seconds in? I love it. Keep up the amazing, beautiful work.
Two of my favorite movies in the last few years. They're both incredible.
This was incredibly well said. The insights from DH Lawrence are impeccable.
Beautiful as always
It’s amazing to me that a TH-cam video could bring tears to my eyes. Your work is nearly peerless and you should be proud.
You continue to amaze me with the quality of your film history and scholarship. Keep up the good work.
Beautiful description of blood emanating from wounds that never closed and may never close...
Maybe I'm bias because I live in a state with a lot of Native Americans, but this is your best video I've seen. Succinct, impactful, and, to be frank, accurate- truthful.
Aw man, you made me cry. But without catharsis there cannot be change
EXCELLENT choice in using Martin Puehringer's two tracks. Brilliant choice of music. How neither of them has been picked up for a film in the vein of Wind River or Hostiles, I cannot quite fathom, but there it is.
Also, a good observation of a subtle shift in the American Western. Not yet seen Hostiles, but Wind River I think stood as film of the year last year for me for all the reasons you cite.
My only criticism is i wish it was longer lol two great movies two movies that broke my heart but made me appreciate the small things in life. When the wife seems happy with you when your son hugs you for no reason just because when you bond with your children over your favorite movies or shows. Sharing a smile or laugh with a loved one. I dread anything happening to my family but i know I’m not in control of that so i try to love each day like it’s special. Thank you again
Gosh. How is it I have only just found this channel? I am speechless.
Great video!! Showcases the wounds of a civilization which is still to some extent refusing to accept it's violent past and destruction of an earlier civilization. Contrasting with films and studies dealing with the civil war, the indigenous groups have surely gotten a raw deal even in present time's with regards to recognition of past violence, loss and destruction.
Another fine essay!
Two of my favorites. This is an excellent summary of the issues explored in both. Great work.
You blow me away with every new video! Your personal taste in movies seems to be very similar to mine and I am extremely grateful that you can provide such a unique and full analysis to accompany these films. I'll be joining as a Patreon subscriber later today. Thank you for all your work.
Wind River was fantastic and I'll never watch it again.
this is one of the best videos on film I've seen in a long time. thanks for this.
I’m very happy that I found this channel. You never fail to deliver a masterpiece.
My ancestors are Shoshoni. I lived for two years with the Navajo, and speak the Navajo language. Both of these films greatly moved me. I don't think it's possible to not be impressed by the powerful performances. However, I'm concerned about how America's 'Indian history' is portrayed and how America is viewed through the eyes of the modern, low-information viewer. If you believe that our past is as painted and portrayed by such 'historians' as Howard Zinn and his Peoples' History of the United States' you are being misled. Woefully. I've lived all over the world, and speak several languages. More so, I've studied the histories of all the world's continents, peoples, wars, and conquests. The history of the world is the history of displacement, death, starvation, and slavery. But it is also the history of cooperation and even, at times, compassion. In truth, America's 'sins' are universal in the world. What's unique are America's virtues. To state that 'America was built upon violence,' as the narrator says in this video, is simplistic. In many cases, both my Anglo and my Shoshoni ancestors, worked together and cooperated in order to survive. A very many intermarried. Simply, European-Americans could not have survived their move west without learning from the Natives and in many cases, cooperating as friends. While there was killing, even murder, there was also teaming up, even occasionally mutual compassion shown. That has always been the case, in every land. In American Indian history, the Navajos, and Apaches (both from the same racial roots) immigrated from what would become Canada and forced their way onto Pueblo lands of the Southwest. They were strong. They were warlike. As well, the Shoshoni splinter group that became the Comanches, rolled through the western plains from what would become Wyoming south into what would become Texas, displacing several weaker tribes, even wiping some out. Such tragedies could be cited over and over again, in America, and on literally EVERY continent on earth, throughout history. That's the reality. What's amazing, and unique, is that ANY so-called American Indians even exist at all in the United States today. History, on every continent, is the history of conquered and absorbed, or wiped out, peoples, religions, cultures, all of it--absolutely gone. Unfortunately, what Americans are taught in their schools and universities, regarding the history of the United States and its so-called 'Indian Policy' is, again, a skewed, fanciful version of the truth. What is more important, however, especially for Americans today, and for our 'Native American' brothers and sisters, is coming to understand the true challenges people are facing on these hellish Reservations and how Americans, and the American government, could best correct the situation. For damn sure what we are doing right now is not working. Suicide rates, drug and alcohol abuse, child abuse, crime of all kinds, even murder, especially of native women--all highest in the nation in many areas. As the movie Wind River portrays, it's truly tragic. Our nation's Bureau of Indian Affairs is a bloated, ineffectual, even worthless bureaucracy, in my opinion, established and maintained by America's 'progressives' whose policies are, in my opinion, doing far more harm than good. American apologies, and guilt, may make the virtue-signaling Left feel a bit better about themselves, but it's not doing our American Indian brothers and sisters any good. American leaders, as well as all tribal leaders, need to put aside politics, and starry-eyed longing for the return of a past that is dead and buried and start making hard-headed, WORKABLE policies that will actually do some good. What we have now is a system that is the enemy of our long-suffering Native Americans, certainly those still living on the 'Res.' And it tears my heart out to see my friends and relatives suffer as they are. As the wise man once said: 'You can deny reality if you want, but you can never avoid the CONSEQUENCES of denying reality.'
I'm Native, and a proud Navajo.. my people are suffering and HAVE been suffering since Columbus landed. Colonialism is being still felt today. Our traditions, our culture and beliefs are being wiped out..
You sir are a clever Dutchman. I salute you from Engerland from a brother nation.
I often cry when I watch your videos. That is a compliment!
Your content is changing my life.
Another solid video man
thank you for your work on grief in this and the video on New world. i cannot express how important it was and is to me. thanks for holding space.
Rented Wind River after seeing your video. What a movie. Thanks for doing this for us.
Very astute observations. Both films were authentic and resonated beyond a normal film. Your words captured the essence well
BEAUTIFUL
I love Wind River. Such a brilliant film. I'm going to check out 'Hostiles' now.
Beautiful video about two moving films. Wind River is one of my favorite movies, and I am holding Hostiles in high regard after watching it today aswell...
"Americans carry the collective pain of a nation built on violence" and the whole world ended up carrying that burden with them.
What whole world? What you mean this makes no sense?
In what way?
Please elaborate
LSOO, Very Interesting. This shows up in my feed, and now my mind is pondering these points. Though I have seen both of these films and enjoyed them immensely, I now see them in a different light. Thanks for this.
This has to be the best cinematic/cultural analysis I have seen in a long time
U flow like a river, your words carry to the sea
This video is beautifully done. I just saw Wind River, and I think it is a masterpiece.
Loved both these movies. So great to see them in an analysis together.
Thank you, brilliant montage, could watch this again and again. Yes like the makers of west world spoke about in DVD extras... humans are frozen, or act wrongly, or don’t act at all... avoid sitting in empathy with loved ones...
We need to sit in empathy and we need narcissistic personality disorder parenting disorders to be undo with solutions and healthy relationships
Hell of a point. Can you elaborate further?
I know this is unrelated to the deeper themes being explored here but I always thought the last gun fight in Wind River was an explosion of tension that was a real highlight of that movie and it's undercurrent of violence
Thought provoking. Thank you for posting.
Excellently done.
America is hard for foreigners to fully grasp. Even most Americans can’t define the nature of America.
The native Americans had no chance. Their civilizations were technologically five-thousand years behind those of the invading Europeans. That’s just the way it was.
I admire the American natives and can easily a justice in their struggle. Any true American can see both sides of the ordeal and accept them both.
Liberty or death. I’m good with it.
Its always a struggle, even to this day. Except we don't have "liberty".
If we had our freedom, we would be allowed to live how we used to.
My people were nomadic, we roamed the plains in the cycles of the animals and never had to worry about what to do next.
Sure it wasn't entirely prosperous or safe.
But it was a freedom all of us who grew up on the Reservation wish every day.
On my family land, I could take a tent and supplies. And go anywhere I please within that boundary, I could make camp anywhere and visit any of my relations living there.
There's no fences, no roads and no electric or gas lines.
Empty and useless to most modern westerners. But to me, that place is pure. The way its meant to be, and I am just a visitor.
That to me. Is true freedom
Beautifully Poignant.
Man, your videos never disappoint. Some of the most knowledge rich and inspiring content on TH-cam. Thank you for your effort! God bless
Your videos gives a tear to my eyes!
Thanks from the heart we need more
Bravo, sir. Bravo.
This is just so good it had me in tears.
Beautiful !♡
Das war ziemlich großartig!
Many thanks for sharing this.
This was truly an amazing video and really makes me want to see both movies back to back. What happened to the Native Americans has been truly tragic. They were robbed of their lands, forced onto reservations with land that was practically worthless for humans to thrive and then also forced to give up their culture in the name of religion and becoming civilized. I have always found the cultures of the different tribes fascinating. I think that part of what keeps us as a nation from moving forward is a combination of shame at what was done to them as well as justification on the "manifest destiny" premise that the USA was meant to be founded and built up at all costs.
The crazy thing is...
Now the Government wants the Reservation lands back lmao.
Because of oil. Natural gas and uranium. Ha ha
"Useless" land indeed
Man, i wish i was even half as good with my words as you are.
This video is so good and beautifull. Thank you .
First time a movie review ever made my eyes water.
Brilliant. Just brilliant!
Both amazing films!!!
Great video! Those are two profoundly moving films.
beautiful work brother
I love your videos.
The ending to hostiles was legit one of the best endings I've ever seen. Not dramatic but suddle and methodical
You continue to impress with your essays. Truly enjoy all of your videos. Keep up the good work. 👏