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I don't have any experience with EVs but I do have 20 years of experience working on Toyota hybrids. When the Prius first came out, we were told that eventually we would be able to replace individual battery cells rather than the whole battery pack. Well that repair option isn't still available from Toyota. At this point I don't think it ever will be. From what I've heard it's not available from Tesla either. There's obviously a huge difference between the costs for a hybrid battery pack and an EV battery pack. I won't even think about buying an EV unless that repair option is available.
@Robert's happenings yeah and on top of that the distance you can travel lowers everday!!! Now wait, hold up!! So first ill half to charge 2wice a week then 3,4,5 and it's not going to stop! So if I drive to California from east Coast on the way back I got to stop more to charge!!! Are you kidding me??? Now see the truth off the matter is a TESLA car with true tesla tech never needs charging! I don't see why it can be alternator/s recharging the battery while you drive? You can have a dual system like dual core processors! Or quad core etc. These batteries or half or a portion of can easily be recharging as you role! It's all about controlling the people!! You can tweak your electric car to never need charging and once people figure this out game over!!
Your car, or any mechanical device will never be able to fully recharge itself through regenerative braking. Although you can get some energy back from the kinetic energy you've spent, friction, driving the generator and heat will never allow for 100% to be recaptured. What you are talking about is a perpetual energy machine. No such thing. At some point you'll need an external energy source
Sad that the days of buying a vehicle and it lasting the rest of your life if you do basic maintenance once or twice a year, and you don't abuse it are gone.. :(
I have a 2012 eco boost f150 and I know I’m going to have to replace the engine soon. That’s ten years use. I don’t see the difference between that and battery packs needing to be replacing in 10 years time. At least it’s optional, only losing range after 10 years compared to catastrophic engine failure and not having any range at all until the unit is replaced really doesn’t sound that bad. Heck I got a 78 GMC. Wanna know how many engines that truck has had?
@@slackersurf I have a 96 Lincoln Town Car, a 98 Chevy k3500 truck, a 1999 Chevy Monte Carlo, also a 2017 Impala. The 2017 Impala has been in and of the shop constantly and I guarantee it will not last as long as my older vehicles that run as good as they were when new.. the Impala has already had constant computer problems, 2 sets of wheel bearings, break problems, sunroof leaks, problems with lights, and if we get a good rain the trunk will fill up full with water despite having new weather stripping and replacing weather seals around taillights. I also don't think the Impala sounds like it runs right.
@@slackersurf so 10 years of use of the 2012 and 10 yes of use of the electric battery…. Hmmm… is that a coincidence…is like theyre putting a timer of these new cars!!
@@slackersurf You need to discover Honda and Toyota, their engines are bulletproof and impossible to wear out as long as oil is changed occasionally. A a long time Japanese car driver I know this for sure.
Since you asked, EV's will destroy the used car market. The cost of battery replacement on a ten y/o vehicle will exceed 50% of the cost of a new vehicle. No one, with half a brain will want to buy a used EV. A ten y/o car will only be good for its none worn parts. The rest will be mechanically or chemically broken down to extract various metals. The rest of the vehicle will fill up our landfills at an exponentially high rate. Furthermore, if "Right to Repair" legislation is not enacted relatively soon, repair shops throughout the country will close up shop since they won't be able to access specifications, OEM parts, and programing information.
@@Ghost-jy9hk The quote "half a million miles" was a pipe dream by GM's managers. Present day battery technology only provides for ten years of useful service, after that, it's off to the recycling center and/or the land fill.
@@corin164 there are electric vehicles more than 10 years old and still running. Seriously. The new 4680 batteries target a million miles. There are research papers online you can read right now that talk about this.
@@Ghost-jy9hk you are obviously someone who knows nothing about the real world specs… Co Rin is totally right. Batteries lasting a million miles is crazy. Looks good on paper but would never happen. And to top it off, batteries should be measured in hours not miles. But that is a whole other topic lol
It is true what you say about making sure you operate between 20% and 80% for the battery so it doesn't lose range. However if you do this, you basically already lost the 40% range, that you aren't using right from the get go. It is a lose/lose scenario.
or too high like here in FL... over 90-something degrees not including humidity! and because of that, the estimated milage range that the ev cars says you'll get with a certain level of battery charge can be WAAAY OFF.
Scotty talking calmly and not laughing! I'm very impressed with the calm demeanor and being willing to change your whole schtick at such an advanced age.
Drove by a broken down EV on the highway from LA to Las Vegas. AAA tow truck had a GAS generator to pump electricity into the EV. Now that is pretty ironic.
@@ColrathD Agree...people suck at taking care of their cars...my father told me many years ago when I got my first bicycle..."Take care of your things and they will take care of you." And then when I got my first car, he said: "Preventative maintenance is the best way to avoid expensive repairs...and never, ever go cheap on tires and brakes...they are your life line." Oh, he also said, "Never marry a Southern woman, they are HIGH maintenance." LOL...he was from Mobile, AL, and he married a California girl...glad he did. Cheers!
What I have yet to see addressed, and it may be because of a lack of data, is how much more expensive an accident could potentially be. More precisely, how much more likely is it that the battery could be damaged to the point it would require replacement after an accident ?
Owners usually sell the batteries from wrecked evs. That's basically what the ev hot rod community lives on right now so I'd say that usually they're undamaged
You lose 60% range when towing, if you can tow at all... and you are constantly thinking will I make it while stuck in traffic while running climate controls... or do you have to cut off the AC and roll the windows down in your expensive electric car while I am comfy in my 4 cyl gas.. oh I can have AAA bring me gas if needed as well...
@@commonsenseguy8189 When was the last time you had the AAA bring you gas. Towing with gas is also increasing your fuel use. I towed a 5000# trailer and I probably used 50% more gas doing that.
Scotty is the teacher we all needed in school; he keeps our attention (in other words, he's not boring), his presentation covers both sides of the story & he calls on us to share our experiences.
I agree... and my wife and I enjoy watching him. I brought up this thought... Scotty is the Dr. Emmett Brown of the mechanic world. I swear. And after I said this, my wife can't unhear the similarities. Lol Anyone else agree?
We had a Chevy Volt for 10 years - 138,000 miles. It got 50 miles on a charge, and went down every year a little as it got older. But after 10 years we were still getting 27 miles per charge which is not bad for a 10 year old electric car. We loved the fact that when it ran out of a charge, it had a gas tank to charge motor for us. So you could go anywhere as long as the tank is sufficiently full. We changed the oil once a year. We went through two sets of headlights and two sets of tires. At 138,000 it had the original brakes. Also not bad. Did not miss the gasoline at the pump. But unlike the advise you gave to not overcharge, Chevy just told us to keep it charging at all times. Consider the fact that lighting storms also cause problems. I was driving to work and thunder somehow shorted my car's computer. So as much as we love the electric car, I PROPOSE that we build multi-fuel cars like the Volt. You could run a car on propane, switch over to gas or electric or maybe hydrogen or solar. Think how far a bus could go on multi-sources. Cars probably only on 2 sources. But an SUV might be able to have 3 sources. It's all about mileage really.
I believe the volt never charges to 100%, that’s why chevy recomends charging fully (because fully charged is actually 80% charged and empty is actually 20%, that’s why the volt gives you a few miles extra if u are completely empty and wiyhout gas)
When Chevy volt first came out it was 40K. Toyota Camry was 27K. Volt is gone but the Camry is still here with many over 200K. Volt used a lot of brakes and tires. The battery life span of your volt was over. How much was a new battery pack that YOU did not buy?
It shouldn’t be controversial to say that batteries have come a LONG way but still have some things to be worked out, without being shrieked at incessantly by a nearby Tesla fan.
Ford makes much better batteries than tesla and their R&D is far superior. Teslas look like a woman's vibrator but whatever there will never be artistic design in cars ever again only ugly crap designed by committees and computers.
@@spikespiegel2246 Teslas may look ugly but they are years ahead of Ford in technology. Check out Sandy Munro's comparison of the Mach-e vs Tesla. He gives Ford credit for trying, but says they made too many mistakes. One example, they use much more wire than Tesla, which means the Mach is less efficient.
I am a Tesla fan but I agree with you. There is much more to be improved with battery tech to make BEVs more mainstream. Tesla is ahead with battery and electric motor techs compared to other car companies.
@@spikespiegel2246 I never heard anybody say Ford make better battery 🔋 Elon musk is teaming up with a great battery producing company , makes the best batteries in the world 🌍
@@jamesvandamme7786 why the hell would anyone want to do that lol? It would be a good way to throw money down the drain if that is someones goal, i guess...
If I have a choice between getting a Tesla at 50 grand or getting a subaru at 20 grand, I'll get the subaru every time. As the rich get richer and the middle class get poorer, the gas powered cars are what's affordable......
@@thefix2573 My last five cars were subarus and I think I only replaced one head gasket. There were other problems like water pump, radiator, exhaust, etc. but I get what you are saying. You don't get those kind of problems with an electric vehicle, which, of course, you're right.
I drive a 2012 Mitsubishi I Miev . It is a great money saver and gets me around town . No complaints . It would be great to have more smaller affordable cars like this available in the US . Now most are not affordable for the average person . 😢
EV batteries are never actually fully emptied or fully charged either, even when you think they are. This is done to maintain the health of the battery, and is handled by the Battery Management System, which also (in most EVs) automatically heats or cools the battery when needed to prolong its life. For example my 2015 BMW i3 with 110K miles on it, still has 90% of its original capacity. I just wanted to say this, as while the advice about not fully charging or emptying the battery is correct, this is already taken care of by the car's BMS.
I've got a Toyota Prius and I know the battery on there is charged in the way you mention to preserve it so it makes sense that would be the same on an EV. It's a different situation to an EV but my Prius is nearly 12 years old and has done just over 109,000 miles so they can last a long time
Yea, but no. Cause that like an iphone. Yes, apple accounts for battery degrading by having the battery never fully discharge but at the same time not to be full either. What scotty is saying is actually true. You don’t want it to be fully charged or drained beyond X percentage. What this helps (experienced this in an iphone) with is keeping the battery discharge rate the same with no spikes or sudden lose of battery power. For ex. Battery percentage is sitting at 40% and then next minute it drops to 10% then the percentage starts to go down 1% every 2-3 minutes.
Yes the cars BMS/computer controls the battery from bieng charged too much- or discharged too much. But if you drive it to "0 miles" and then don't charge or drive it for a while then it can lose charge further and go below the safe discharge state.
@@sk8ter202 Obviously everything in this video about an EV battery is true, but it doesn't explain that these issues are mitigated over time to a significant extend by the BMS, which ensures over the years that the usable capacity of the battery is maintained to not fail within the warranty, in my case 8 years or 100K miles. This is a huge difference between how a battery in a smartphone is managed and why there isn't a roaring trade in recycling EV batteries yet.
Pro tip: If a charging station has multiple cables, always try to use the cable that is shaded, or cooler. The charging cables at stations have heat sensors in them, and the hotter the cable is, the slower it will charge your vehicle.
My prius is almost at 300k miles and I drive it almost 5k miles a month😂 this car amazes me. Hybrids should be the first step instead of leaping straight into evs imo
@@dragospahontu I would rather have a hybrid then keep worrying about charging the EV . I want to use the car for long trips and I don’t need to keep worrying about charging and wasting time hunting for chargers and getting stuck for hours .
What I find disappointing is the conversions. The dozen or so videos that I've seen are darn near $30,000 and a ton of labor. Some of the videos don't mention the cost at all. There's apparently no options for a low buck ev project. Another great informative video,Scotty.
I was a forklift operator for a few years and the whole fleet was electric. It was a indoor Area where these lifts lived and every day and week there was a machine that was not working or a battery/batteries that would not charge or say is charged and not work. My experience was not so great with an battery powered vehicle. Oh and rhe heat wad unbearable at times generated from the Motor
I also used a forklift in an electronic retail warehouse decades ago and they were all electric. They were always around and when one didn't work properly, we'd use the others. I don't get your post.
I worked at a similar place. There was a crew to replace the battery. You drop off a forklift or pallet Jack grab another and go. Standardization of batteries could be swapped on a subscription basis.
@@Desertdweller1965 awesome to have that ability or surplus of machinery to be able to jump from equipment to equipment and not be waiting for vacant lift. To the other replies, yes lead acid batteries, Raymond/Toyota lifts. What batteries would be best for this application or work load?
You're always addressing trends and discussing them objectively. And you're not afraid to embrace new technology when it does its job well. Love your videos as always.
I was expecting a moderately one-sided presentation against EVs but I was pleasantly surprised how fair, objective, and level-headed this video was. I am now a fan of Scotty Kilmer.
@@alphaforce6998 fair enough, but what are we going to drive when the gas runs out? It may not run out in the next 50 years, but it will run out eventually so we need a plan B.
You can convert any ICE to run on wood gas. We just have to clearcut the rest of the rainforest for fuel! Lol no but seriously gasoline is just one of many things you can make an ICE run. Renewable or alternative fuels like natural gas, propane, biodiesel, ethanol or even "gasification" of garbage! Yes you can make a car run on garbage!
No wonder EVs and Hybrids are more popular in California were weather is on the 70s for the most part, than the rest of USA. Here in Chicago for instance, batteries aren't very efficient, specially in the cold winters.😨
I am pretty happy with dinosaur era fossil fuel. Ever since they ditched 100% alky model T's. Glass bowl gravity feed 1bbl carbs are so archaic. Yup, you really had to get out and push on a steep incline with low fuel tank. And maybe break your arm if wifey forgot to pull spark advance stalk. Fun times!
Emperor Wilhelm II of Germany said once he believed in the horse, the car will be only a short term phenomenon. But: He lost the first world war and his throne.
I have a first generation Chevy Volt 2012 125k miles. So far it needed oil changes (has generator engine) , tires, brakes, wheel bearings, struts, shocks, and coolant flush. Thats it. I did most of the maintenance myself. Coolant must be replaced every 5 years for $400 at dealer. Battery is still getting near or the same amount of range. Not bad in my opinion. Online data shows cars with 200k+ miles.
The more you use the regenerative braking system, the less the friction brakes are used. That causes the rear brakes to rust faster, ending in them needing to be replaced long before they really need to be. I've seen this so many times on electric cars, and hybrids.
Yes! Was just about to say this, I'm a service manager and explaining this to ev owners is never an easy thing because they're promised low cost of maintenance but replacing 450 dollar brake jobs for each axle twice as much haha.
Not to mention the weather especially in Canada where we use crap loads of salt on the roads that will utterly corrode the electronics I don’t care how much weather proofing companies put into protecting the motors and other electrical components salt water will destroy it
@@randomtimes4100 salt will also corrode your engine and transmission if it gets inside of them but automakers have done a pretty good job of weatherproofing the inside of my car's fuel lines, engine, and transmission, so I think the real issue with salt is the frame of the car.
@@randomtimes4100 Agreed, I am in New England US and does anyone really think that EV range at 20 below zero will be the same as the manufacturer specs? That is not even considering how much battery power it will take to keep the car heated to a comfortable temperature.
There is no such thing as a million mile battery... No battery can be measured in miles. if a person drives 15K miles a year that would be 66 years... This is how absurd it is to say a million mile battery..
Not to mention there is no way a manufacturer would make anything that would last that long. Even if the motors could last that long, the rest of the vehicle would be long gone in a junkyard. Built in obsolescence is the way things are built today - just ask VW. They know how much you will be spending on maintenance when they sell a car. I’m sure all the manufacturers calculate the money you’ll be spending in the next 5-10 years on a car.
They measure it them in charge cycles and convert it into miles so people can understand pal. If a electric semi drives 50k or 100k miles per year then it’s 20 or 10 years...
Of course there's no such thing as a million mile battery yet. It hasn't been invented. That said, that's only about 3X more durable than current Teslas can do. How is it absurd that in the future they could invent a battery that lasts 3X as long as the ones today?
@@ronstocke9805 they will make vehicles that last that long when we all pay a monthly subscription for our cars. 🎶 there's a great big beautiful tomorrow🎶
I read a story where an owner of an electrical vehicle took the car to have his tires swapped for winter season. At the mechanics workshop they raised the car using a normal service lift of the scissor-type. In those types of establishments they change tires on lots of cars daily so the tempo is high and things are not always handled with caution. Turns out that the lift somehow punctured the bottom plate of the car in one place which is where all the batteries are located. The owner noticed that and of course wanted it to be properly fixed, worrying about possible damage to the batteries. He went to several places and got roughly the same quote of approx 35,000 USD to fix it. To safely repair the damage, apparently they had to more or less dismantle the whole car, since the batteries are part of the chassis system, deeply embedded. Makes you wonder around the whole industry around electrical cars. It's not just the cars and the design of the cars. It is the whole aftermarket industry that also must be able to handle electrical cars in good way. Then of course there is the thing about modern headlights on cars (not related to electrical cars only), they are extremely expensive and are "supposedly" never going to break if you believe the manufacturers. To replace them can cost up to between 3,000 to 5,000 USD each and are normally only covered in the original warranties from the the factory. Things like that makes the second hand market difficult. If you buy a 5-7 year old car for around 15-20 kUSD and the head lights need replacing, it's going to make the car almost worthless. This is a design flaw in my opinion. To make replacement parts that expensive can't be a sound design decision unless you focus only on people getting new cars all the time. That is not sustainable in the long run.
Thank you very much for the info,I live in montreal, and 90%of the roads are horrible, so what you said about having a hole in the battery due to road conditions, it doesn't encourage me to buy ev in this city
Love your videos Scotty. I have been watching you for years. Its incredible all I have learned from you. I am a better mechanic because of you and I have helped so many people by passing on all of your advice. I would be lost without you. Keep them coming please.
I imagine a lot of people would be willing to buy a single small shed or something to put over their driveways just in case. With that said, it is going to be a major problem for some people and I would imagine they would need to start developing technologies to combat that for electric cars (like letting the car turn on the cooling system for a small duration of time when the outdoor temperatures reach a specific level or when the batteries reach a set temp.)
@@x666x34b Oh come on. I didn't like him at first either Got used to him and correctly bought a car with his insight. If he's not an expert.....who is?
Great job explaining electric cars. In the forklift world electric forklifts cost more to purchase but maintenance was much less than Lpg forklifts. I expect the cars to be the same.
@rigamortice actually, it's quite the opposite. They hold their values better than ice cars. I bought a 2020 Chevy Bolt EV brand new for 28k, and sold it 40,000 miles and 2.5 years later for 27k.
Just thought I'd share my EV maintenance experience (since you asked at the end of the video): I drive a 2018 Tesla Model 3. Because I live in an area where the roads have more salt than the oceans, a yearly brake maintenance is required for me. This is due to the fact that I do 90% (or more) of my braking with regen. Combine that with the heavy salt use and it can cause the caliper sliders to seize up. This isn't required in most areas though. Other than that, my only maintenance has been wiper blades, window washer fluid, and tire rotations. I replaced my own cabin air filters and I did just replace my tires after 28,000 miles. Here is the full maintenance schedule for a Model 3 (copied from the owners manual): Brake fluid health check every 2 years (replace if necessary). A/C desiccant bag replacement every 6 years. Cabin air filter replacement every 2 years. Clean and lubricate brake calipers every year or 12,500 miles (20,000 km) if in an area where roads are salted during winter Rotate tires every 6,250 miles (10,000 km) or if tread depth difference is 2/32 in (1.5 mm) or greater, whichever comes first They used to have the battery coolant in there, but that was removed. Tesla now monitors the coolant in the pack for any issues and replaces as needed, but they expect the glycol coolant to last the life of the pack.
@@stefanweilhartner4415 If they even use them. I'm thinking it's the same as most EVs. The friction brakes are used maybe 10% of the time at most. I suppose its up to the settings the drive uses on the ID3/4
@@Kuth70 yes, but the inside is protected from salt and water which minimizes rust and if you need them, they work instantly. that is the reason why the use drum breaks.
@@originalmicdrop This implies you know how long an EV battery lasts. I'm guessing that your information is wrong or based on old data. EVs with poor thermal management like the Nissan Leaf had horrendous lifespans primarily because of the fact the battery was air cooled only. The car I drive has a battery that is designed/projected to last 300,000 to 500,000 miles based on its chemistry and cooling/heating system. All EVs made now use cooling/heating loops with a glycol solution that keeps the batteries at optimal tempuratures. Additionally, future cars with different chemistries such as lithium iron phosphate, or nickel manganese silicon will have even longer lifespans.
Great unbiased video. Very refreshing. It would have been entertaining if you had mentioned the cost of replacing an EV battery out of warranty, which is NOT unheard of.
the cost of an ev battery is $4500.+ another thing not mentioned is if you need to work on any electrical part of the drive system you need 2 people, 1 to do the work, the other to safety watch as the large battery puts out 300+ volts DC and will kill you quickly. it does not throw you off like AC. wspeciqal saety equipment is required hemet, safety glasses, linemans gloves& more for 2. also a length of wood 2x2 for the safety person so they can push/pry the worker off the high voltage circuit & then call 911.
I’ve seen a Tesla car ( not sure which model) is $20,000USD and that’s about average. The minerals that are needed is in high demand and very expensive, this might change in time, but who knows. Changing a battery every 10 years is very expensive to me
MIght have missed it Scotty. But rapid charging stresses the battery too. As well as being very energy inefficient. Slow optimum charging at a proper ambient temperature is important. Something Tesla has put a great deal of tech development into. It is the management of larger more complex battery packs which is advancing. Energy density and efficiency are not so much. Excellent as usual. Thank you.
I heard of a man who brought a brand new EV. Lives in a climate the same as Michigan. After 7 years he could not do his longest trip without adding stops to do extra top up charges. It had lost most of its Range. It was considered "too rusty and worn" to justify the cost of battery replacement. This was last year, so by about Feb it will be barely usable anymore. Basically he said he could do a few small "in town errands" but nothing beyond his city.
I’ve been driving my EV for 3.5 years with 40k miles on it and i only spent $35 to do so! Free charging at work and the only maintenance needed so far is cabin air filters. Love it!
Excellent vid and lot of information Scotty, they brought it here in Middle East and it surprised users during summer where temperature reach 115 F battery dropped almost 30% or more due to the climate condition!! Also AC was not that great at all.
@@jlane9055 needs to disappear totally before we become barbeque meat in a climate runaway. Oh forgot, science wasnt your specialty. Seriously, there are serious benefits to eliminating oil and gas from your industries. A quick calculation and i would say, you could probably halve your taxes. You do realise that the oil industry props up your military adventures in the middle east and your government props up the oil industry to the tune of many many billions of dollars. Thats worked out great hasnt it?
Where I live it isn’t uncommon to have below zero F temperatures for weeks with lows in the -30s. I don’t see a future for these vehicles here. It would take more energy to heat it than move it. Wow, the motors can fail from dirt, that would suck if you live somewhere that has many unpaved roads.
The problem is these cars are NOT DIY friendly. You cannot open the battery to replace the cooling nipple for example as Rich Rebuild showed on his channel. The a regular car you can replace a component without replacing the whole engine. An EV forces you to replace the whole battery or motor. Now new cars are also a pain to repair now. I still maintain that an old Camry is better. BTW if you want an EV you don't need a $50k Tesla to get groceries or Starbucks. You can buy one of those street legal $2600 chinese EVs. They go maybe 30mph but if all you do is side streets who cares.
If you have a Nissan Leaf the thing changes a lot! I have a 2012 Nissan Leaf and I do DIY maintenance. It’s easy! I’ve already changed two water pumps by myself!
As an experienced Ev owner, I think you hit key points and painted a reasonably accurate picture of Ev ownership related to them. Like in a lot of things, your choice of partner(manufacturers)can have a big impact on the overall experience though. Glad to see that you have retained your candor while delivering in your new style.
@@oddopops1327 but me personally it has to be the Tesla Model S for all rounder speed endurance and style it's built for the driver to enjoy not for the public that your passing who catch a glimpse of it, it's it has so many cool features that most don't offer at the price range and Tesla offer a lot of chargein stations even across Europe I think you should go view one before you make your mind up but I do like em
@@jimdavies6764 at home in the driveway or garage I charge overnight. On road trips 15-30 minutes depending on how much I need, usually those work out to be lunch stops or bio breaks.
@@jimdavies6764 And cost to recharge it. If it’s a 220V charger that’s like running a dryer for that long. The public charging stations might be free now but that won’t last.
how about this... After every one owns an electric car, where will the charging power come from? As it is, hot summer air conditioners overtax the grid ! Think about THAT ! Seems no one ever mentions this !!!!
@@marcelfortin7035 This will require building additional power plants and running the ones we have at higher capacity. It is only a temporary problem. The main issue with adding more power plants, is that they will most likely all be coal.
I miss my 94. Las time i saw it (over 15 years ago) it was at over 500,000k (that's over 300,000 miles) I bought a 2008 model and it was nowhere near the same vehicle. Would have kept it but it had other problems. That's life tho.
I just did a small study of top of the line 21700 batteries (same as in a Tesla) and the results were interesting. Over 1 year of moderate use and 3 discharge/charge cycles per week they lost between %7 and %15 per cell. 1 out of 15 cells even developed an internal fault and started discharging themselves through generating heat. In an electric car with thousands of these batteries I could imagine these results would cause some significant problems.
Exactly what 21700s are these? 21700s are a size of battery, (21mm diameter 70mm length) not a specific model or power rating. You can have 2000mah 5amp 21700s or 4000mah and 40amps. You can have Chinese garbage, or high quality Samsung cells. Simply saying 21700 gives you literally no information at all except their size…
Scotty, how did you get to be so smart? You're my hero 💙. A friend of mine bought a Prius a few years ago and bragged about his gas mileage, blah blah. Then the batteries died..$7,000.00 to replace them. He got rid of the car. I laughed and told him I'll stick with my 93 Toyota Camry. No car payments and not much maintenance. 👌
A friend of mine had the same thing happen. One Prius was still going strong after several years, but the other required battery replacement after about five (right after the warranty was up I believe). He did the math and replacing it plus the depreciation meant it was a paperweight -- there wasn't a thing he could do with it, and no one in their right mind would buy it. But he was still a true believer, for some reason.
@@jdraven0890 My friend replaced his "dead" battery (only two cells were dead) with a refurbished for 1200 euros. He got 3 years warranty for the refurbished battery. The shop took his old "dead" battery, they will replace the faulty cells and they will sell it to somebody else with warranty. If you can't think for simple solutions... It's like I have a broken valve in my engine and you ask me to replace the whole engine and the drivetrain.
I find that hard to understand a Prius battery is NiMh (cheaper older tech than Li) and pretty small as well, even Toyota say it should cost $2600 to replace.
@@matthewisaac6895 ..I don't know Matthew..that's what my friend told me. He said underneath the whole back seat are multiple batteries. He sold the car because he couldn't afford to replace them. All I know is what he told me.
Funny we have two Prius’s the little 12 volt battery lasted 7 years and the main has never had issues. It’s a 2010. The other one is a 2014 and its little battery was just changed after 7 years and the main has never had issues. Don’t know where they went for service but it doesn’t cost 7K to change them. I have even seen videos here on how to do it. By the way the car still runs without it being in good shape. I think we have become so lazy that we are afraid to do anything ourselves. I still have a 90 Mustang that I do everything on it. Electric is just cars evolving, once gas really starts to become scarce you ain’t gonna have a choice, it will be too expensive. Humanity has to evolve to survive.
Hydrogen fuel cells would be great, if hydrogen was readily available in a pure form. At an atomic weight of 1 hydrogen binds with many elements. Hydrogen electrolysis from water requires more electricity than the energy that the hydrogen produces. The most common source of hydrogen is from steam-methane reforming from natural gas, but that is still costly, but much better than electrolysis from water. Perhaps a more efficient method of producing hydrogen will be produced. It might be that a cleaner fuel will be produced from abundant NG.
WHY turn water and electricity into Hydrogen and then back to electricity when you can use electricity strait in your EV. It only make sense in heavy industrial applications.
@@bossman6174 the only advantage a hydrogen vehicle has over an ev is that you don't need to wait a long time to recharge your car, you can do it in only 4to5 minutes
@@dr.vishantpriyadarshi7050 But the cost of that is huge! saw a guy testing one of those in Canada, then i saw 46$ on the pump! then i knew hydrogen are done!
i bought an old transit van in 2010 for £720 and it was lpg gas converted with a range of 320 miles,no petrol the carb was knackered..anyway now done 240,000 miles on lpg but i had to have another engine that cost £300 and £300 to fit it...seems an economical way to own a vehicle
When Hurricane Irma hit Florida in 2017 people with Tesla's had to get rides from people with real cars when they left the state ahead of the storm. It took 18 hours to get from South Florida to get to Georgia with power out at various places along the way.
so it doesn’t work in the hot it doesn’t work in the cold it’s can't tow anything, it takes hours to fill up the tank to get going again and depreciates like a Stone dropped off a cliff.. Where can I get one?
Battery is to insure product obsolescence: an EV is like a smartphone, you throw it out once the battery fails. Unlike a Duracell, you can't replace it yourself.
I replaced Gen 1 and Gen 2 Pokemon and other save battery reliant games and such as a first "job" before being hired as a mechanic. Anything is repairable if you are capable enough and with EVs, it will be no different than a early mech. injected VW diesel (which I own two of and their data and method of timing was difficult info to obtain but I got them to run reliably), pre-1970 kick start only Harleys (my dad repaired and maintains one), Ford and VW engines in general, just to name a few! Even my dad asked me to, and I repaired, his "disposable" laptop when his screen broke in a bout between him and my brother over stupid stuff.
Well if we introduced the guaranteed right to repair for everything this would be less of an issue as independent shops or consumers could get access to parts and tools to fix them
Then you introduce new problems such as a foot in for legislation as in who could be authorized to repair such things. Such measures is what all but killed magneto repair, and almost wiped out mech. diesel injector pump repair. Usually you break more than you fix the problem with such an option. We already have people who repair or make all those fun toys without authorization anyway so just finding the proper "go-to" to keep them alive for you to keep playing with them is in the long run, the best choice. Case in point, I even help VW diesel folks with aidful advice to enjoy their VW toys as my dad does when inquired to provide info with such unique hardware he plays with. Mind, I took my diesel to a dozen "authorized" diesel mechanics and they replied with either "WTF is that?" or told me, frankly to "Go FVck Myself." If one has the inherent capability to repair it, then folks who can fix it will exist or come into existence.
Actually you can replace it yourself, there's videos on TH-cam of them being replaced by DIYer's. Including videos replacing bad cells to save money rather than the whole thing. Perhaps this doesn't apply to every single model of electric car but I'd imagine it applies to most, no need to fear monger.
@@ellisargamer9248 Replacing one cell in your battery pack is like changing one tire out of four in your car. Some people go for this cheaper solution without knowing they shortchanged themselves.
Lithium Ion batteries made with Iron and Phosphate can be charged to 100% without damaging the battery and can be drained to near 0% without damaging the battery unlike Lithium Ion batteries that use Nickle and Cobalt which is what Scotty is referring to in this video. Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries last 2 to 3 times longer than the batteries Scotty is referring to in the video and are cheaper. Tesla, Ford and VW have all announced they will be switching to Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries though Tesla will only be using them in their standard range vehicles and continue to use their current battery in their long range versions. Another thing I wan to clarify is cold weather effects on all batteries. Yes in very cold weather electric cars have less range because the batteries can't hold as much charge when they are cold. Once the weather warms up the electric cars gains the range back. Cold does not damage the batteries. It just doesn't let the batteries hold as much charge while they are cold. Battery technology is being developed and new types of batteries that are cheaper and hold more charge pound per pound that will increase the range of EVs are on the horizon. My bet is we will see them in less than 10 years. One battery currently in development has 3 times the energy capacity of current EV batteries. The standard range Model 3 has a range of 263 miles. Multiple that by 3 and you get a range of 789 miles. Even if the car battery degraded 10 miles a year after 10 years the car would still have a range of 689 miles. After 20 years it have a range of 589 miles. Way more than you ever really need. I also like to address the concern over Lithium. EV batteries will be near 100% recycled. Once all cars are electric we won't really have to dig up more Lithium. As cars age out to be replaced with new ones the old EV batteries Lithium will be recycled to make the new car's battery. Same holds true for Nickle and Cobalt though I believe those will be phased out eventually and the Lithium Iron Phosphate don't use them anyway.
One thing overlooked is the drain from the heater. Winter driving can reduce range to half. Also neglected to mention charging facilities and charging times which can take anywhere from 30 min to 8 hours - now imagine if everyone at the pump had to sit there that length of time. Traffic would be backed up forever. I'm afraid the electric car is a rich man's fad being sold under the guise of ecofriendly but we aren't even close to being there with electricity production or storage technology.
Most EV's use liquid cooled thermal management to keep batteries at an optimal temperature. This means that your EV may use a few miles of range keeping the components cool when you are not driving, but it will not significantly affect the longevity of the car (the Nissan Leaf is the anomaly as it uses air cooled batteries). Most EV's will have ther brake pads last 100k-200k miles.
@@jack99889988 You should tell that to all 56,000 of those people up in Sweden who have purchased electric cars and now make up over 50% of all cars sold there. They don't seem to be having the problems you seem to think happen.
@@jack99889988 The point is it is cold in Sweden and the EVs run just fine. There are even whole TH-cam channels dedicated to it such as Bjørn Nyland. He takes these EVs and actually camps in them in -36C temperatures. Something you can't do in an ICE as you would DIE.
Scotty is an intelligent person, capable of adapting to new technologies and times, because his heart and mind are young forever. My admiration to you, I’ll keep watching your always interesting and practical lessons.
Someone learned from internet memes and not actually facts. Less than 19% off electricity produced is from coal. The batteries are recycled not landfill.
@@driver4011 ever seen an open coal field? Ever measured what the environmental loads coming from a coal stack are? Your looking at the small picture. We need to move beyond the petty, yes there are issues but you can only deal with them as they occur. Yes currently most power is from fossil fuels but we can change that. Its not an either or proposition. Its obvious we cant fix everything in one go, popular attention span isnt that good. As for land fill full of leaking lithium batteries, aint seen one yet.
I just bought a used Honda Clarity and as soon as I got it home, we realized it wouldn't charge. Took it back to the dealer to have them diagnose it. They needed $8k to replace the charging control module somewhere in the dash. The part itself was $4,XXX. Forget the battery, everything else on hybrids are financial nightmares, too.
Lithium mining is a highly polluting industry. Majority of Lithium is in third world countries China controls majority of mining industries . I rest my case
@@p2p104 China has captured most of the Lithium and rare earth mines all over the world . By depending on EV vehicles , we will be slaves to China in place of the oil companies .
Ooh wow they last 10 years. The old piston engine in my Ford Escort is 21 years old and running just fine. I change oil regularly and flush the cooling system every couple of years. I call that low maintenance.
The price of battery packs will continue to fall and reliability, capacity and longevity will increase over the next few years. Keep in mind that motors and battery packs can be swapped out much more easily. Advancements with EV tech are happening at an increasing pace (as more companies jump into the market) - These are the early days of EV technology, this is the "worst" the technology will be....
This sounds to me like it could be a thorny issue. I live in Manitoba, Canada, where we have an abundance of cheap hydro electricity. Clean, cheap and abundant. However, next door in Saskatchewan and Alberta much of the electricity is generated by FOSSIL FUELS. So, exactly how much better off will the environment be? That's not even starting on Ontario, to the east of us, whose power rates are already notorious - I don't see how running an electric vehicle there could possibly make economic sense. Then, there's the distance factor and infrastructure required for charging. Much of Western Canada is remote enough that this is going to be very challenging.
@@guywerry6614 lots of studies show that regardless of the source of electricity electric vehicles are better for the environment then internal combustion. The reason being that even if the local utility is using coal fire generation the overall emissions are significantly lower then the thousands of small internal combustion engines that would be replaced. Yes in places like Saskatchewan the benefit wouldn't be as great but it still would be a net positive. As for capacity is not like this would happen overnight. Horse and buggies certainly didn't when the IC engine was invented....
Get back to us in ANOTHER HUNDRED YEARS. If you want to drive Coast-to-Coast, you might as well take a covered wagon! And how's that ski boat going to work? Charge it every half hour? Like Electric Dirt Bikes? And if I'm out in the woods in my Jeep, what tree do I plug into? Yeah, nope!
@@robertthayer5779 Point well made... I'm sticking the gasoline engine, made in Japan..not by GM; I could write a book about the junk I've owned, from chevys to pontiac, cadillac and Oldsmobile. Owned a ford Taurus, it was crap too.
So, if the battery doesn't need to be replaced, maintenance on an electric vehicle is cheaper than maintenance on an internal combustion engine vehicle. That's a mighty big "if". Mighty big.. How much is the resale value of a used electric powered vehicle?
You could always connect the car to a horse, so instead of a 'horse & CARt', it will be a 'horse & CAR'. Just be sure to carry some hay and water in the trunk for when the poor horse gets hungry and thirsty. That's true HORSEpower.
@@DrakeDealer that aint nice, nor is it true. there are higher cost of insurance, lower resale value, home electric wiring upgrade costs, what if you park in the street, time spent at super charging stations, harder and more expensive to get specialty parts/repairs, some areas of the country dont have dealers or certified service techs for hundreds of miles, the upfront price difference, if you drive a lot daily
It's only because the infrastructure supporting ICEs make it convenient. If the push to mainstream EVs succeed, it's only a function of time when gas stations gets less common and now ICE drivers suffer from range anxiety instead
What worries me the most about the electric car right now besides range is I live in Arizona. Ambient temperatures in the summer can be around a hundred fifteen degrees. Shade is not always an option. Temperatures off the asphalt or concrete can exceed a hundred and forty five degrees Fahrenheit. If you're at work that means the vehicle will be setting in the heat for at least 8 hours plus the commute to and from work. So what total effect will this have on battery?
It is definitely a concern for folks in Vegas and Phoenix. You want to look at cars that use traditional liquid cooling. Some, most notably the Nissan Leaf, did not do this but are instead air cooled. Do your research on those vehicles that are liquid cooled, check forums and such to see if owners have experienced heat related issues in hot climates like Arizona. My gut tells me that 100-150 degree temps are not hot enough by themselves to fry a battery pack. The concern is that when driving, the batteries are moving electrons and this creates heat. You want to limit how hot the batteries get during operation. Perhaps on really hot days you'd want to avoid pushing the car hard, which could stress the battery, but generally if a EV is up on its coolant it should be okay to sit in the heat.
@@livemeyer I agree. That's what I've been trying to do. I've also been trying to talk to people who actually own these cars. My biggest concern is cars parked outdoors in asphalt parking lots. Makes me wonder how which is around 150 degrees would be affecting the effectiveness of the battery and the longevity. But like everything else maybe just a matter of waiting and saying what happens in the long run.
Worked at the Toyota dealer and I can tell you that I have seen prius with over 200k miles still have factory brake pads and rotors on them with 80 percent life remaining.
I see you have worked at toyota...What do you think as far as toyota Prius vs. Tesla as far as longevity of the life and Maintenance of the vehicles. I know the Tesla looks way better but the previous I feel like has a better track record. What do you think?
It's good to have a choice, but realize everything is a novelty in the beginning... until the shine wears off the gingerbread. As for me, I'll stick with what I know best and that's a gasoline internal combustion engine. Stop at a gas station, fill her up and go... is the way to go.
While everyone is going to be waiting 20 mins plus for their electric cars to fill up not even fully charged too I’m going to be taking 45 seconds to fill up my tank of gas
And not to mention that slaves mostly children are the ones mining the material we use for batteries and things No wonder our governments want ev’s so much
@@samuelhowie4543 Well it’s the biggest threat to the ecosystem he’s spent his career showing us, so why wouldn’t he? Sorry if it hurts your feelings bro
You did a good job telling us about the basics of an EV vehicle. MY concerns are with distance, driving from Missouri to Florida. With EV with a range of only 200-300 miles per full charge, minus some distance due to weight/load and heat & cold, forcing the vehicle to use more electricity for heating & air conditioning for the passengers, THEN needing 12-15 hours to charge so you can drive another 250 miles... it would take a week to drive to Florida and another week to drive back home.
It charges very slow on home plug, it can fast charge within hour in charging points. Also sure ev are bad for long distance but most people use vehicles for commute.
About half an hour for my car to charge on fast charging, and I'm using a vehicle with the slowest form of fast charging around, I believe. Then again, this is for 120 miles. It takes about 7 hours to charge mine up after a 40 mile round trip to work, but that's from a standard 3 pin wall plug so basically the worst case scenario.
No manufacturer wants to give the hard facts about Winter driving and the average 40% battery loss of said battery. A blue collar EV vehicle will only average 300 miles on a full charge. Now its Winter in Northern Illinois , the temps drops into the 10 degree range. So I live 150 miles from Indianapolis, a round trip is 300 miles, now I will have to recharge the battery 3/4 of the way home, THATS CRAZY. BTW, my 2012 Honda Accord has a 18.5 gallon tank, it gets 33 mpg, that’s almost 500 miles before I need to take 10 minutes to refill and drive another 500, do you get my drift.
@@skubefamilychannel Imagine for a moment if EV were the legacy technology in place. How easy it would be in that case for combustion engine to make their case. Long range autonomy, short refilling time not depending on how many cars are queuing up at the gas station, no headache with charging cable typology or charging station technical characteristics, negligible performance loss in case of cold or hot temperature, less weight, no crazy acceleration as potential form of hazard in case of unexperienced pilots, easy to estinguish in case they catch fire. It would sound revolutionary
I have heard a lot more than talking about replacing it. I have heard them complain. But the challenger is a powerful car. The electic cars are heavy cars so they will go through a lot of tyre wear also.
@@FalconFlight747 About $30 each if I remember right. I do remember I bought 2 rear tires from JC Penny one time. They had a guaranteed mileage. I came back about a month later and showed them they were almost bald. The manager said abusing the tire didn't count. I couldn't argue that. I finally grew up and started being more responsible.
I wish someone would ever discuss the human and environmental impact when sourcing the minerals required to build the batteries for all these electric vehicles not to mention their disposal. The health effects of all the electrical exposure.Also the fact that knowone anywhere has enough electrical infrastructure to handle the equivalent requirements of conventional vehicles for our needs. We just can't ignore over a hundred years of progress getting the world where it is. It's not perfect but it's worked. I think its premature and immature to believe this new way can be implemented 100% in just a couple years when the powers that be won't talk about the downside of this electric wave at any cost.
You need to really educate properly because you all here knows nothing about electric cars. Lets talk about oil and gas where you bleeding out this planet. Oil, gas are to keep the planet firm and when drilling out oil which leads to depletion of minerals in the soil so we're not consuming proper nutrients. Oil and gas comes like blood so next couple of 1000 yrs this planet will surely die.
Love the quality content you continually post! I can watch other how to channels and sometimes have to go through 2-3 videos before I figure out what the heck they’re even talking about. Not your videos. You get straight to the point and tell it like it is! Thank you for helping us who weren’t raised around this stuff, truly understand what we are looking at and dealing with!!
Glad to see Scotty has come around to EV's. I'm a total petrol head who builds sport kits cars but got a leaf as my daily driver and simply wish I'd got one ten years ago. Yeah my brakes don't seem to be wearing at all, despite my less than efficient driving. Plus the wheels never have any brake dust so the wheels are always spotless. It's definitely more aggressive on the tyres due to the torque, meaning I need to select ECO mode to stop it spinning it's wheels in the wet. The battery has degraded at a rate of 1% per year (checking with Leafspy) so is not even a consideration. I've owned 34 petrol and diesel cars before this one and none come even close to how much I enjoy driving my EV.
Who said he’s coming around? He’s just stating the facts on these pieces of crap. By the way, if you gain more joy from driving a glorified golf cart, you were never a true petrol head.
EVs have their advantages and disadvantages. He's using it as a daily commuter which is exactly what it's intended for. Nothing wrong with that. Save on fuel costs (LGB), more efficient with its energy usage, and get some fun from sloppy driving on the side streets.
Last week I drove 1200 miles to a couple of oil sites. These sites are located in northern Canada. Access is on gravel/ muddy roads. Guess what? No charging stations. I'll pass on EV's.
These cars aren't designed to go to remote sites like that. Not a car I would take on a long distance trip but wouldn't be bad as an everyday commuter to work and back. Only thing that would stop me from buying one is not knowing how long the battery will last. Up to 10 years isn't good enough for me.
I've been driving a 2011 Nissan Leaf for about 10 years. The battery had lost a significant part of it's range after I left it in the garage 4 months thinking it would be safer there. When winter was over and I went to start the car I had to recharge the "starter" battery and found the drive battery in good condition. But the range was significantly reduced leading to my quest to find a newer used battery. I got lucky and found a 2nd generation battery with 90% life on eBay for $2000 with installation included. That breathed life into my car and I'm happy with it. But "range anxiety" is a constant concern. In the winter I can go about 30 miles with the heater off, less with it on. In the summer I can go about 45 miles, less with the A/C on.
In the case of the Nissan LEAF, the raw battery metrics data can be read from the OBDII port via a reader with Bluetooth into your smart phone and viewed in an app. This is how I checked the true health of my battery when we bought ours used.
There is no technical way to see or say what kind if life Is left on the battery. It's all dependant on a number of factors in each person's life. Like Usuage, ambient temps, etc.... My phone battery doesn't even make it a full year cause I use it so hard. Then it expands (bloats) and I have to buy a new one. Most people I know their phones go multiple years on same battery. But they also don't use them as hard as me. And probably don't have an ultra protective otter box case like me that keeps the heat in. Plan on the electric car batteries dying and you needing to replace them. That's the best mind set to have.
We have a EV Kona 64kw battery. Have had it now for 16 mths . No problems at all have put 35,000 km on it now. We charge it 2 to 3 times week at home on a level 2 charger at a cost of about $5.70 each charge for a range of 350 to 380 km per charge. Never have used a level 3 charger as of yet. We get a range of 470km in summer and winter a range of 340km . We love this car and will never buy another gas car
Scotty, your videos are perhaps the best on TH-cam. The way you present your videos is so informative and comforting. You explain things in a way that even a Cave Man could understand it. Thank you for what you provide. Happy New Year to you and yours.
That's because GM made the video for him. You can tell how professional the vid looks and he is reading from a script. He usually does vids off the cuff.
@@aodwyer ??? General Motors and not a Tesla paycheck ??? Personally I'm not down on EVs , I like the idea. But I'm going to wait till 2023 when Toyota puts out their EVS to the market. Toyota people are very smart they're going to hand out free houses with garages when you buy one of their EVS 😉
So here's a question, how much does one actually save on an electric vehicle versus a traditional gas vehicle if they live in an area of greater heat or cold (Arizona, Texas, Florida, North Dakota, Minnesota, Alaska, etc.) if they do not already have a garage or shaded place to park their vehicles. There are extra costs outside of just the vehicle and its maintenance that have to be considered for first time buyers. What's the cost to get a charging station (or 2 for those with more than 1 vehicle) setup at one's residence. If you live in a harsher climate and do not have the appropriate cover for your electric vehicle, what's it going to cost to put said garage or shaded parking area in. As a child, I grew up in Michigan and we did not have a garage, so I have some experience with cold weather and later in life my parents moved to Florida and we have no shaded place to park our cars. So I'm asking because if I switched to an electric vehicle, it seems that there will be some fairly large extra costs above that of the vehicle that will be much larger than the quoted average $4600 savings over the life of the vehicle. Also, if you live in Florida and use certain trees for shade, you will end up with large amounts of pollen or other things covering your car regularly (again from experience) and if you live anyplace where sugar ants are common, they are drawn to electric power sources and can cause major issues by crawling into things and dying in the current. I'm not against electric vehicles, I just believe there are costs that a lot of people ignore or do not want to bring up with this conversation.
if the car is kept plugged into the power supply, the HVAC system can be programmed to set the interior temp correctly, thus not draining the battery. Similar, modern cars keep the battery at the right temperature as long as kept plugged into the mains - no warm up time like an ICE.
Nobody has factored in the rates of electricity. In Germany, the switch to E.V.'s plus the switch to wind and solar have more than quadrupled the already high cost of power...to the point where some people now have to chose between heat and food. Don't think for a moment that the Climate Change mass delusion that has destroyed the German economy is going to affect America any differently. E.V.'s will simply be a transitional step from ICE vehicles...to no vehicles period. A woman working for English P.M. Boris Johnson , has already stated that in the future, England will "move away" from ALL PERSONAL VEHICLES...both ICE...and electric. This was determined based on the green energy disaster in Germany, so they already know there will never be enough power to charge all those E.V. batteries in the future. Look no further than the rolling blackouts in California, and the green energy failure in Texas last winter. That's your "sustainable" future, spending half of your energy trying to stay warm or cool, and the other half on finding food.
As soon as i saw an article about that doctor and father died in his electric car after it crashed and the resulting fire burned through the electronics and locked the doors permanently with him inside
You say to avoid charging your battery too often when it doesn't really need it and I agree with you on that. But when using regenerative breaking isn't that exactly what you're doing
That's a really good Point - so the batteries won't last as long in city driving and would also be good to consider not charging it fully in those cases.
@@evhwolfgang2003 Regenerative breaking simply reduces the rate of net discharge. It's not possible for regenerative breaking to charge the battery up to or above it's initial charge. If it did you'd have a perpetual motion machine. Not possible.
That's because those materials are 100% recoverable to be used in New batteries, and the thriving aftermarket uses for batteries no longer healthy enough for automotive use but still viable for energy storage for homes etc.
@@MrAndrew941 Nope they make up darn near 100% of the battery. The batteries are almost entirely recyclable. Look buy an electric or not it doesn't matter. Much like the farriers that nay sayed those new fangled horseless carriages electric cars will become the norm.
@@ChillyDippers But how much will it cost me as a car owner? I.e. my gas car is still cheaper to run from new than an EV, what will be in place for making these EV batts affordable and replaceable?
@@ChillyDippers Not where I live. We lose power too often due to storms. 10 years ago we lost power for 21 days straight. What are going to do what that occurs? You are going die that's what.. Just this winter we lost power on 4 occasions. Once for almost a week another time for 4 days another time for 2 days and recently for almost 1 day. I live in Kentucky and our power lines are above ground and we deal with ice storms and when we have heavy winds it can easily uproot trees due to the clay deposits. City folk will own them but the rest of will never own one because it would become a lawn ornament during the winter and when we have bad storms. It is absolutely impossible for us to go EV. No one is going to redo our entire electrical grid. They made that abundantly clear so we own generators and propane and ICE's and we always have cash on hand in the event of power outages.
I think you are right too. Once the battery technology is better and more proven, I’ll make the switch. Electric motors are fantastic, much less maintenance, better torque, way more efficient and much cheaper to own overall if you forget the battery costs
@@josephsallis2808 I remember a time when Americans where the the leading edge of technology. It looks like most are no longer forward thinkers and settle. They don’t even look at facts but go by misconceptions. I’m 68 and I’ve seen lots of changes but now people want to keep the old even when they know what comes out the tailpipe is poison.
@@jonfscott you’ve also seen early adaptations fail. And I think you will see attitudes change as the price drops, charging infrastructure improved and the batteries get better. It is moving fast. And if General Motors is the first to develop the million mile battery, they might win. Don’t forget Tesla is an American company.
I agree but do not see GM surviving. Their debt is way to high. Yes Tesla is an American company but too many fossil fuel industries keep the FUD going. I do see a bright future for Tesla.😎
@@josephsallis2808 I dont know US, but in Europe government has huge tax income from petrol and diesel fuel sales....so they will tax EV fuel as well or they have to come up with new taxes just to have the same income. The only reason you dont pay extra for the electricity for your car yet is they want you to make the change.
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Maybe talk about the potential of corrosion of any of the electrical components being a major issue from salt especially in the north east.
Scotty what is the instrument that allows you to know if there is water in your brake fluid ? I was looking at it and can't find anything , thank you
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I don't have any experience with EVs but I do have 20 years of experience working on Toyota hybrids. When the Prius first came out, we were told that eventually we would be able to replace individual battery cells rather than the whole battery pack. Well that repair option isn't still available from Toyota. At this point I don't think it ever will be. From what I've heard it's not available from Tesla either. There's obviously a huge difference between the costs for a hybrid battery pack and an EV battery pack. I won't even think about buying an EV unless that repair option is available.
EV maker Nio has battery swap tech that's neat. Check it out!!
@Robert's happenings yeah and on top of that the distance you can travel lowers everday!!! Now wait, hold up!! So first ill half to charge 2wice a week then 3,4,5 and it's not going to stop! So if I drive to California from east Coast on the way back I got to stop more to charge!!! Are you kidding me??? Now see the truth off the matter is a TESLA car with true tesla tech never needs charging! I don't see why it can be alternator/s recharging the battery while you drive? You can have a dual system like dual core processors! Or quad core etc. These batteries or half or a portion of can easily be recharging as you role! It's all about controlling the people!! You can tweak your electric car to never need charging and once people figure this out game over!!
Toyota has agreed with BYD to use blade batteries, these may be able to be replaced.?
My experience with Toyota Hybrids is my ex-boss had a Prius with a blown head-gasket and needed a ride to work every morning!
Your car, or any mechanical device will never be able to fully recharge itself through regenerative braking. Although you can get some energy back from the kinetic energy you've spent, friction, driving the generator and heat will never allow for 100% to be recaptured. What you are talking about is a perpetual energy machine. No such thing. At some point you'll need an external energy source
Sad that the days of buying a vehicle and it lasting the rest of your life if you do basic maintenance once or twice a year, and you don't abuse it are gone.. :(
I have a 2012 eco boost f150 and I know I’m going to have to replace the engine soon. That’s ten years use. I don’t see the difference between that and battery packs needing to be replacing in 10 years time. At least it’s optional, only losing range after 10 years compared to catastrophic engine failure and not having any range at all until the unit is replaced really doesn’t sound that bad.
Heck I got a 78 GMC. Wanna know how many engines that truck has had?
@@slackersurf I have a 96 Lincoln Town Car, a 98 Chevy k3500 truck, a 1999 Chevy Monte Carlo, also a 2017 Impala. The 2017 Impala has been in and of the shop constantly and I guarantee it will not last as long as my older vehicles that run as good as they were when new.. the Impala has already had constant computer problems, 2 sets of wheel bearings, break problems, sunroof leaks, problems with lights, and if we get a good rain the trunk will fill up full with water despite having new weather stripping and replacing weather seals around taillights. I also don't think the Impala sounds like it runs right.
@@slackersurf so 10 years of use of the 2012 and 10 yes of use of the electric battery…. Hmmm… is that a coincidence…is like theyre putting a timer of these new cars!!
@@slackersurf You need to discover Honda and Toyota, their engines are bulletproof and impossible to wear out as long as oil is changed occasionally. A a long time Japanese car driver I know this for sure.
@@slackersurf A Volvo240 can last 30 years whit out having repalce engine.
Since you asked, EV's will destroy the used car market. The cost of battery replacement on a ten y/o vehicle will exceed 50% of the cost of a new vehicle. No one, with half a brain will want to buy a used EV. A ten y/o car will only be good for its none worn parts. The rest will be mechanically or chemically broken down to extract various metals. The rest of the vehicle will fill up our landfills at an exponentially high rate.
Furthermore, if "Right to Repair" legislation is not enacted relatively soon, repair shops throughout the country will close up shop since they won't be able to access specifications, OEM parts, and programing information.
Why would the battery need to be replaced when they can last a half million miles? Confused on this take
@@Ghost-jy9hk The quote "half a million miles" was a pipe dream by GM's managers. Present day battery technology only provides for ten years of useful service, after that, it's off to the recycling center and/or the land fill.
@@corin164 there are electric vehicles more than 10 years old and still running. Seriously. The new 4680 batteries target a million miles. There are research papers online you can read right now that talk about this.
@@Ghost-jy9hk I bet that battery is only holding 50% to 60% of its original capacity.
@@Ghost-jy9hk you are obviously someone who knows nothing about the real world specs… Co Rin is totally right. Batteries lasting a million miles is crazy. Looks good on paper but would never happen. And to top it off, batteries should be measured in hours not miles. But that is a whole other topic lol
It is true what you say about making sure you operate between 20% and 80% for the battery so it doesn't lose range. However if you do this, you basically already lost the 40% range, that you aren't using right from the get go. It is a lose/lose scenario.
Plus additional 20-30% range loss if the temperature are below zero
or too high like here in FL... over 90-something degrees not including humidity! and because of that, the estimated milage range that the ev cars says you'll get with a certain level of battery charge can be WAAAY OFF.
The range is there. You just don't use it most of the time
Scotty talking calmly and not laughing! I'm very impressed with the calm demeanor and being willing to change your whole schtick at such an advanced age.
Advanced age ,you are funny
Scotty does a straight man video every now and then these are good documentaries
It’s called documentary
It’s called maturity, maybe someday the same can be said about you
...you must be new here. and trying to act like you're not. he uploads videos in this style all the time
They need to make the brake lights flash when the accelerator is released. They rapidly decelerate without warning.
Tesla's brake lights come on as soon the pedal is released because of the regenerative brakes.
They do
@@mtbse789 not the one I was behind. It was like dropping a manual transmission into second gear.
That kind of situation would be catastrophic on a slippery road surface.
@@mzampell Damn..maybe it's a setting then? Definitely much safer if they do come on.
Drove by a broken down EV on the highway from LA to Las Vegas. AAA tow truck had a GAS generator to pump electricity into the EV. Now that is pretty ironic.
I drive by broken down cars all the time.
Turns out there are plenty of people who have bad luck or suck at taking care of their cars.
@@ColrathD Agree...people suck at taking care of their cars...my father told me many years ago when I got my first bicycle..."Take care of your things and they will take care of you." And then when I got my first car, he said: "Preventative maintenance is the best way to avoid expensive repairs...and never, ever go cheap on tires and brakes...they are your life line." Oh, he also said, "Never marry a Southern woman, they are HIGH maintenance." LOL...he was from Mobile, AL, and he married a California girl...glad he did. Cheers!
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Someone did plan their trip. Funny thing is that the NAVs on EV tell you where you should stop for a charge. He obviously ignored the recommendation.
@@ymcpa73 However, it was 120 degrees outside and that changes the range calculation.
What I have yet to see addressed, and it may be because of a lack of data, is how much more expensive an accident could potentially be. More precisely, how much more likely is it that the battery could be damaged to the point it would require replacement after an accident ?
Owners usually sell the batteries from wrecked evs. That's basically what the ev hot rod community lives on right now so I'd say that usually they're undamaged
Cannot charge at home, live in a cold climate, do long trips regularly. 3 strikes, out.
Windshield defrost device but for the batteries. Already uses electric to heat...
You lose 60% range when towing, if you can tow at all... and you are constantly thinking will I make it while stuck in traffic while running climate controls... or do you have to cut off the AC and roll the windows down in your expensive electric car while I am comfy in my 4 cyl gas.. oh I can have AAA bring me gas if needed as well...
@@commonsenseguy8189 looks like EVs are for smart cities. Mad max everywhere else.
@@commonsenseguy8189 AAA will bring you electricity as well. And a Tesla will last over 10 hours in a traffic jam running AC or Heat.
@@commonsenseguy8189 When was the last time you had the AAA bring you gas. Towing with gas is also increasing your fuel use. I towed a 5000# trailer and I probably used 50% more gas doing that.
Scotty is the teacher we all needed in school; he keeps our attention (in other words, he's not boring), his presentation covers both sides of the story & he calls on us to share our experiences.
I agree... and my wife and I enjoy watching him. I brought up this thought...
Scotty is the Dr. Emmett Brown of the mechanic world. I swear. And after I said this, my wife can't unhear the similarities. Lol
Anyone else agree?
Amen
Lol
@@jamesmerutka889 Great Scott!
Oo
Damn I remember when Scotty first started making car fix it videos. He has come a loooong way. Nice job Scotty.
We had a Chevy Volt for 10 years - 138,000 miles. It got 50 miles on a charge, and went down every year a little as it got older. But after 10 years we were still getting 27 miles per charge
which is not bad for a 10 year old electric car. We loved the fact that when it ran out of a charge, it had a gas tank to charge motor for us. So you could go anywhere as long as the tank is
sufficiently full. We changed the oil once a year. We went through two sets of headlights and two sets of tires. At 138,000 it had the original brakes. Also not bad. Did not miss the gasoline at the pump. But unlike the advise you gave to not overcharge, Chevy just told us to keep it charging at all times. Consider the fact that lighting storms also cause problems. I was driving to work and thunder somehow shorted my car's computer. So as much as we love the electric car, I PROPOSE that we build multi-fuel cars like the Volt. You could run a car on propane, switch over to gas or electric or maybe hydrogen or solar. Think how far a bus could go on multi-sources. Cars probably only on 2 sources. But an SUV might be able to have 3 sources. It's all about mileage really.
I believe the volt never charges to 100%, that’s why chevy recomends charging fully (because fully charged is actually 80% charged and empty is actually 20%, that’s why the volt gives you a few miles extra if u are completely empty and wiyhout gas)
When Chevy volt first came out it was 40K. Toyota Camry was 27K. Volt is gone but the Camry is still here with many over 200K. Volt used a lot of brakes and tires. The battery life span of your volt was over. How much was a new battery pack that YOU did not buy?
Hybrid? Great idea, too bad no car manufacturers produce one!
I had the honor of changing out batteries in a volt the cost when done? Customer paid over 7k
What’s a battery change cost?
It shouldn’t be controversial to say that batteries have come a LONG way but still have some things to be worked out, without being shrieked at incessantly by a nearby Tesla fan.
Ford makes much better batteries than tesla and their R&D is far superior. Teslas look like a woman's vibrator but whatever there will never be artistic design in cars ever again only ugly crap designed by committees and computers.
@@spikespiegel2246 Teslas may look ugly but they are years ahead of Ford in technology. Check out Sandy Munro's comparison of the Mach-e vs Tesla. He gives Ford credit for trying, but says they made too many mistakes. One example, they use much more wire than Tesla, which means the Mach is less efficient.
I am a Tesla fan but I agree with you. There is much more to be improved with battery tech to make BEVs more mainstream. Tesla is ahead with battery and electric motor techs compared to other car companies.
@@spikespiegel2246 I never heard anybody say Ford make better battery 🔋
Elon musk is teaming up with a great battery producing company , makes the best batteries in the world 🌍
@@spikespiegel2246 haha. Take a look at the Ford Mach-E teardown, you’ll eat your hat.
I’m sitting here watching this like I can afford an electric car 😭😭💀💀💀😅
There will be a $25K Tesla in the near future.
If you can't afford an electric, you probably can't afford many ICE cars either. There was a news report that the average cost of a new car hit $40k.
@@ymcpa73 That's true, but the median price is probably more like $30K. Just like the average wage is higher than the median wage.
@@jamesvandamme7786 why the hell would anyone want to do that lol? It would be a good way to throw money down the drain if that is someones goal, i guess...
@@ymcpa73 real cars have resale value. no one (with a brain) is going to buy a used electric car
If I have a choice between getting a Tesla at 50 grand or getting a subaru at 20 grand, I'll get the subaru every time. As the rich get richer and the middle class get poorer, the gas powered cars are what's affordable......
I'm with you on that
Still? Gas prices just go up
Don't buy a Subaru unless you want to pay for a head gasket replacement (x2) prematurely, compared to an inline 4.
@@thefix2573 My last five cars were subarus and I think I only replaced one head gasket. There were other problems like water pump, radiator, exhaust, etc. but I get what you are saying. You don't get those kind of problems with an electric vehicle, which, of course, you're right.
What about a Nissan Leif for 20k TESLA IS NOT THE ONLY EV MAKER PEOPLE!!!!!!
I drive a 2012 Mitsubishi I Miev . It is a great money saver and gets me around town . No complaints . It would be great to have more smaller affordable cars like this available in the US . Now most are not affordable for the average person . 😢
EV batteries are never actually fully emptied or fully charged either, even when you think they are. This is done to maintain the health of the battery, and is handled by the Battery Management System, which also (in most EVs) automatically heats or cools the battery when needed to prolong its life. For example my 2015 BMW i3 with 110K miles on it, still has 90% of its original capacity. I just wanted to say this, as while the advice about not fully charging or emptying the battery is correct, this is already taken care of by the car's BMS.
I've got a Toyota Prius and I know the battery on there is charged in the way you mention to preserve it so it makes sense that would be the same on an EV.
It's a different situation to an EV but my Prius is nearly 12 years old and has done just over 109,000 miles so they can last a long time
Yea, but no. Cause that like an iphone. Yes, apple accounts for battery degrading by having the battery never fully discharge but at the same time not to be full either. What scotty is saying is actually true. You don’t want it to be fully charged or drained beyond X percentage. What this helps (experienced this in an iphone) with is keeping the battery discharge rate the same with no spikes or sudden lose of battery power. For ex. Battery percentage is sitting at 40% and then next minute it drops to 10% then the percentage starts to go down 1% every 2-3 minutes.
Some manufacturers have bigger buffer than others. The ones that eke out max range are the worst.
Yes the cars BMS/computer controls the battery from bieng charged too much- or discharged too much. But if you drive it to "0 miles" and then don't charge or drive it for a while then it can lose charge further and go below the safe discharge state.
@@sk8ter202 Obviously everything in this video about an EV battery is true, but it doesn't explain that these issues are mitigated over time to a significant extend by the BMS, which ensures over the years that the usable capacity of the battery is maintained to not fail within the warranty, in my case 8 years or 100K miles. This is a huge difference between how a battery in a smartphone is managed and why there isn't a roaring trade in recycling EV batteries yet.
Pro tip: If a charging station has multiple cables, always try to use the cable that is shaded, or cooler. The charging cables at stations have heat sensors in them, and the hotter the cable is, the slower it will charge your vehicle.
Much easier to just drive up to a filling station, select grade of gasoline, fill up and in 5 minutes, you are on your way.
@@bondgabebond4907 your stations must be faster, it is at least 15 minutes here
Let me guess, California or some other place that worries about the gas fumes destroying the planet?
@@msgsgt Lol california is weird
No problem, just shade the cables from the sun with your body, and you can maintain optimal charging station performance!
My prius is almost at 300k miles and I drive it almost 5k miles a month😂 this car amazes me. Hybrids should be the first step instead of leaping straight into evs imo
Agreed
@@TheGecko213 only issue is hybrids are a lame way for the manufactures to delay while amortising their costs. Its not done for your benefit anymore.
@@TheGecko213 hybrids are basically a compromised ice car.
EVs are just better.
@@dragospahontu
I would rather have a hybrid then keep worrying about charging the EV .
I want to use the car for long trips and I don’t need to keep worrying about charging and wasting time hunting for chargers and getting stuck for hours .
@@andyfreeze4072
I hope you get stuck in long lines for charging when every @hole starts driving EVs
What I find disappointing is the conversions. The dozen or so videos that I've seen are darn near $30,000 and a ton of labor. Some of the videos don't mention the cost at all. There's apparently no options for a low buck ev project. Another great informative video,Scotty.
you can do it as cheap as a couple grand, what are you on
@@Everything13ish a couple grand isn't cheap at all when you can take the fuel powered counter part and repair it for hundreds
@@cubandaddy8351 you think you wont spend a couple grand on a gas engine/trans every 10 years. including gas.
I saw a conversion kit today on alli express that was $548 US . Unfortunately delivery to the US is prohibited for some reason.
I was a forklift operator for a few years and the whole fleet was electric. It was a indoor Area where these lifts lived and every day and week there was a machine that was not working or a battery/batteries that would not charge or say is charged and not work. My experience was not so great with an battery powered vehicle. Oh and rhe heat wad unbearable at times generated from the Motor
What type of batteries were they? I'm guessing Lead Acid
I agree there a piece of crap
I also used a forklift in an electronic retail warehouse decades ago and they were all electric.
They were always around and when one didn't work properly, we'd use the others.
I don't get your post.
I worked at a similar place. There was a crew to replace the battery. You drop off a forklift or pallet Jack grab another and go.
Standardization of batteries could be swapped on a subscription basis.
@@Desertdweller1965 awesome to have that ability or surplus of machinery to be able to jump from equipment to equipment and not be waiting for vacant lift. To the other replies, yes lead acid batteries, Raymond/Toyota lifts. What batteries would be best for this application or work load?
You're always addressing trends and discussing them objectively. And you're not afraid to embrace new technology when it does its job well. Love your videos as always.
I was expecting a moderately one-sided presentation against EVs but I was pleasantly surprised how fair, objective, and level-headed this video was. I am now a fan of Scotty Kilmer.
You were expecting that because you know that's the truth. EVs are a meme for people dumb enough to buy into the "green energy" delusion.
@@alphaforce6998 fair enough, but what are we going to drive when the gas runs out? It may not run out in the next 50 years, but it will run out eventually so we need a plan B.
You can convert any ICE to run on wood gas. We just have to clearcut the rest of the rainforest for fuel! Lol no but seriously gasoline is just one of many things you can make an ICE run. Renewable or alternative fuels like natural gas, propane, biodiesel, ethanol or even "gasification" of garbage! Yes you can make a car run on garbage!
@@remi009340 an ICE can run on hydrogen too.
@@SuzukiKid400 Exactly! so you answered your own question then lol
Everything you just told me about electric vehicles convinces me more than ever that I do not want to own one.
Really?
Our BYD Atto3, EV, is excellent value, cheap to service, fuelled from solar power on our roof.
No wonder EVs and Hybrids are more popular in California were weather is on the 70s for the most part, than the rest of USA. Here in Chicago for instance, batteries aren't very efficient, specially in the cold winters.😨
As long as the power stays on, they'll be fine. No power, no car.
@Mr Destro Bingo. Snow and no wind means that green doesn't always work. Thus, no MTV!
International Falls Minnesota. -54f in January. You can deplete the battery driving to the mailbox.
@Mr Destro $hit happens 🤷🏻♂️🤣
@@guysview Crazy 😄
I'm looking forward to driving a Flintstone car, the next generation of automotive technology.
Highway engineers should design all roads so they go downhill. We could all drive soapbox derby cars.
I am pretty happy with dinosaur era fossil fuel. Ever since they ditched 100% alky model T's. Glass bowl gravity feed 1bbl carbs are so archaic.
Yup, you really had to get out and push on a steep incline with low fuel tank. And maybe break your arm if wifey forgot to pull spark advance stalk. Fun times!
You must have gotten an advance copy of the "infrastructure bill."
I'm "working" on my callouses for "braking".
Emperor Wilhelm II of Germany said once he believed in the horse, the car will be only a short term phenomenon. But: He lost the first world war and his throne.
I have a first generation Chevy Volt 2012 125k miles. So far it needed oil changes (has generator engine) , tires, brakes, wheel bearings, struts, shocks, and coolant flush. Thats it. I did most of the maintenance myself. Coolant must be replaced every 5 years for $400 at dealer. Battery is still getting near or the same amount of range. Not bad in my opinion. Online data shows cars with 200k+ miles.
The more you use the regenerative braking system, the less the friction brakes are used. That causes the rear brakes to rust faster, ending in them needing to be replaced long before they really need to be. I've seen this so many times on electric cars, and hybrids.
Yes! Was just about to say this, I'm a service manager and explaining this to ev owners is never an easy thing because they're promised low cost of maintenance but replacing 450 dollar brake jobs for each axle twice as much haha.
@@waynesmith6393 does batteries can stay working well after 100.000 miles
Wait until the motor controller goes out and all the many other components. Batteries also don't like vibration or impact like from pot holes.
Not to mention the weather especially in Canada where we use crap loads of salt on the roads that will utterly corrode the electronics I don’t care how much weather proofing companies put into protecting the motors and other electrical components salt water will destroy it
@@randomtimes4100 salt will also corrode your engine and transmission if it gets inside of them but automakers have done a pretty good job of weatherproofing the inside of my car's fuel lines, engine, and transmission, so I think the real issue with salt is the frame of the car.
So all the OFF ROADERS are going to want a V8❗🤓👍
@@markplott4820 do you own a Tesla
@@randomtimes4100 Agreed, I am in New England US and does anyone really think that EV range at 20 below zero will be the same as the manufacturer specs? That is not even considering how much battery power it will take to keep the car heated to a comfortable temperature.
There is no such thing as a million mile battery... No battery can be measured in miles.
if a person drives 15K miles a year that would be 66 years... This is how absurd it is to say a million mile battery..
Not to mention there is no way a manufacturer would make anything that would last that long. Even if the motors could last that long, the rest of the vehicle would be long gone in a junkyard. Built in obsolescence is the way things are built today - just ask VW. They know how much you will be spending on maintenance when they sell a car. I’m sure all the manufacturers calculate the money you’ll be spending in the next 5-10 years on a car.
They measure it them in charge cycles and convert it into miles so people can understand pal.
If a electric semi drives 50k or 100k miles per year then it’s 20 or 10 years...
Of course there's no such thing as a million mile battery yet. It hasn't been invented.
That said, that's only about 3X more durable than current Teslas can do. How is it absurd that in the future they could invent a battery that lasts 3X as long as the ones today?
@@ronstocke9805 they will make vehicles that last that long when we all pay a monthly subscription for our cars. 🎶 there's a great big beautiful tomorrow🎶
Or we can take the battery from our old car and put it in our new car, making the price of replacing our car every 5-10 years much cheaper.
I read a story where an owner of an electrical vehicle took the car to have his tires swapped for winter season. At the mechanics workshop they raised the car using a normal service lift of the scissor-type. In those types of establishments they change tires on lots of cars daily so the tempo is high and things are not always handled with caution.
Turns out that the lift somehow punctured the bottom plate of the car in one place which is where all the batteries are located.
The owner noticed that and of course wanted it to be properly fixed, worrying about possible damage to the batteries.
He went to several places and got roughly the same quote of approx 35,000 USD to fix it.
To safely repair the damage, apparently they had to more or less dismantle the whole car, since the batteries are part of the chassis system, deeply embedded.
Makes you wonder around the whole industry around electrical cars. It's not just the cars and the design of the cars. It is the whole aftermarket industry that also must be able to handle electrical cars in good way.
Then of course there is the thing about modern headlights on cars (not related to electrical cars only), they are extremely expensive and are "supposedly" never going to break if you believe the manufacturers. To replace them can cost up to between 3,000 to 5,000 USD each and are normally only covered in the original warranties from the the factory. Things like that makes the second hand market difficult. If you buy a 5-7 year old car for around 15-20 kUSD and the head lights need replacing, it's going to make the car almost worthless. This is a design flaw in my opinion. To make replacement parts that expensive can't be a sound design decision unless you focus only on people getting new cars all the time. That is not sustainable in the long run.
Thank you very much for the info,I live in montreal, and 90%of the roads are horrible, so what you said about having a hole in the battery due to road conditions, it doesn't encourage me to buy ev in this city
Love your videos Scotty. I have been watching you for years. Its incredible all I have learned from you. I am a better mechanic because of you and I have helped so many people by passing on all of your advice. I would be lost without you. Keep them coming please.
I live in Texas, don't have a garage, and have no shade to park in at my apartment or at work. Not gonna work. Haha
Get a big deck umbrella haha
Fellow Texan here, and I for one approve this message...
I imagine a lot of people would be willing to buy a single small shed or something to put over their driveways just in case. With that said, it is going to be a major problem for some people and I would imagine they would need to start developing technologies to combat that for electric cars (like letting the car turn on the cooling system for a small duration of time when the outdoor temperatures reach a specific level or when the batteries reach a set temp.)
Too bad. Yet another reason not to live in TX.
@@wholeNwon Must be a socialist.
I really appreciate these documentary style videos, presenting by a no-nonsense expert like Scotty. I've learned so much from this guy.
"Expert" ?
@@x666x34b
Oh come on.
I didn't like him at first either
Got used to him and correctly bought a car with his insight.
If he's not an expert.....who is?
You learned things from his videos ? I remember learning before this bloody internet
Scotty isn't really an expert, he's just an old dude with a lot of free time and a lot of money, so he has time to play with tons of vehicles
How much CASH do the Oil Co, pay you Scotty
Great job explaining electric cars. In the forklift world electric forklifts cost more to purchase but maintenance was much less than Lpg forklifts. I expect the cars to be the same.
@rigamortice actually, it's quite the opposite. They hold their values better than ice cars. I bought a 2020 Chevy Bolt EV brand new for 28k, and sold it 40,000 miles and 2.5 years later for 27k.
Scotty's the World's best mechanic
The best way to care for an electric car is to sell it and let the new owner pay for the repairs
We call that the BMW, Land Rover, Mercedes plan
OK but what are you going to Drive !!! ????
@@rogerhegemier8491 Ebike or a bicycle
The most logical and scumest thing too do 😂😂😂
Just thought I'd share my EV maintenance experience (since you asked at the end of the video):
I drive a 2018 Tesla Model 3. Because I live in an area where the roads have more salt than the oceans, a yearly brake maintenance is required for me. This is due to the fact that I do 90% (or more) of my braking with regen. Combine that with the heavy salt use and it can cause the caliper sliders to seize up. This isn't required in most areas though.
Other than that, my only maintenance has been wiper blades, window washer fluid, and tire rotations. I replaced my own cabin air filters and I did just replace my tires after 28,000 miles.
Here is the full maintenance schedule for a Model 3 (copied from the owners manual):
Brake fluid health check every 2 years (replace if necessary).
A/C desiccant bag replacement every 6 years.
Cabin air filter replacement every 2 years.
Clean and lubricate brake calipers every year or 12,500 miles (20,000 km) if in an area where roads are salted during winter
Rotate tires every 6,250 miles (10,000 km) or if tread depth difference is 2/32 in (1.5 mm) or greater, whichever comes first
They used to have the battery coolant in there, but that was removed. Tesla now monitors the coolant in the pack for any issues and replaces as needed, but they expect the glycol coolant to last the life of the pack.
the ID3/4 has drum breakes that lower maintenance even further.
@@stefanweilhartner4415 If they even use them. I'm thinking it's the same as most EVs. The friction brakes are used maybe 10% of the time at most.
I suppose its up to the settings the drive uses on the ID3/4
@@Kuth70 yes, but the inside is protected from salt and water which minimizes rust and if you need them, they work instantly. that is the reason why the use drum breaks.
@@originalmicdrop This implies you know how long an EV battery lasts. I'm guessing that your information is wrong or based on old data.
EVs with poor thermal management like the Nissan Leaf had horrendous lifespans primarily because of the fact the battery was air cooled only.
The car I drive has a battery that is designed/projected to last 300,000 to 500,000 miles based on its chemistry and cooling/heating system.
All EVs made now use cooling/heating loops with a glycol solution that keeps the batteries at optimal tempuratures.
Additionally, future cars with different chemistries such as lithium iron phosphate, or nickel manganese silicon will have even longer lifespans.
Great unbiased video. Very refreshing. It would have been entertaining if you had mentioned the cost of replacing an EV battery out of warranty, which is NOT unheard of.
the cost of an ev battery is $4500.+ another thing not mentioned is if you need to work on any electrical part of the drive system you need 2 people, 1 to do the work, the other to safety watch as the large battery puts out 300+ volts DC and will kill you quickly. it does not throw you off like AC. wspeciqal saety equipment is required hemet, safety glasses, linemans gloves& more for 2. also a length of wood 2x2 for the safety person so they can push/pry the worker off the high voltage circuit & then call 911.
I’ve seen a Tesla car ( not sure which model) is $20,000USD and that’s about average. The minerals that are needed is in high demand and very expensive, this might change in time, but who knows. Changing a battery every 10 years is very expensive to me
Good job , I learned more with this video than the entire day at the dealership.
Dealership....the word makes me want to take a shower....I NEVER want to walk into one of those again in my life !!!! Buy Tesla you never have to.....
That’s because the dealerships tell you what you want to hear and they want to take as much money off you as possible 😲
You go to a *dealership* ?
@@debmanning8298 becase your car bateries are ded and your waiting in line for 4 hour charge
MIght have missed it Scotty. But rapid charging stresses the battery too. As well as being very energy inefficient. Slow optimum charging at a proper ambient temperature is important.
Something Tesla has put a great deal of tech development into. It is the management of larger more complex battery packs which is advancing. Energy density and efficiency are not so much.
Excellent as usual. Thank you.
Just discard the whole car and buy a muscle car
👍👍
Absolutely!!
My Tesla leaves most “Muscle Cars” in the dust.
@@RW-ur7ym maybe for a short distance, no style or soul sorry lol
@@RW-ur7ym congratulations 👍 and my car will outlive your tesla by 30 times
I heard of a man who brought a brand new EV.
Lives in a climate the same as Michigan.
After 7 years he could not do his longest trip without adding stops to do extra top up charges. It had lost most of its Range.
It was considered "too rusty and worn" to justify the cost of battery replacement.
This was last year, so by about Feb it will be barely usable anymore.
Basically he said he could do a few small "in town errands"
but nothing beyond his city.
I have 4 years with an ev. 0 degradation so far
@@alexandrutudor9497 It handles the winter winds and snowstorms okay?
The guy I heard of lost the value in his because of body Rust
@@RetroCaptain very well. no issues whatsoever
I live in Alaska electric cars are basically for rich people who use them during our 2 month summer, designer cars for decor not practicality
I’ve been driving my EV for 3.5 years with 40k miles on it and i only spent $35 to do so! Free charging at work and the only maintenance needed so far is cabin air filters. Love it!
How far do u drive?
But the million dollar question is? How long is going to last the whole vehicle ?
@@zerosparky9510 I’ve taken it on 200, 300 and 700 mile road trips, mostly commuting to work tho.
@jane marshall did you have a Tesla? I’ve had 2 very minor problems which they fixed under the warranty.
@@2081calin ask me in ten years, I’ve always keep my cars 12-15 years
Excellent vid and lot of information Scotty, they brought it here in Middle East and it surprised users during summer where temperature reach 115 F battery dropped almost 30% or more due to the climate condition!! Also AC was not that great at all.
@UCn7eB_AzWujLEOsHKpPQftw USA is now buying crud oil from the first of March because our production has gone down with Biden's regulations
@@jlane9055 needs to disappear totally before we become barbeque meat in a climate runaway. Oh forgot, science wasnt your specialty. Seriously, there are serious benefits to eliminating oil and gas from your industries. A quick calculation and i would say, you could probably halve your taxes. You do realise that the oil industry props up your military adventures in the middle east and your government props up the oil industry to the tune of many many billions of dollars. Thats worked out great hasnt it?
It sounds like that you bought a car without a heat pump which would have made your battery and AC cooling much more efficient.
@@stevewallace1117 why would they even ship one without a heat pump to the Middle East?
Where I live it isn’t uncommon to have below zero F temperatures for weeks with lows in the -30s. I don’t see a future for these vehicles here. It would take more energy to heat it than move it. Wow, the motors can fail from dirt, that would suck if you live somewhere that has many unpaved roads.
The problem is these cars are NOT DIY friendly. You cannot open the battery to replace the cooling nipple for example as Rich Rebuild showed on his channel. The a regular car you can replace a component without replacing the whole engine. An EV forces you to replace the whole battery or motor.
Now new cars are also a pain to repair now.
I still maintain that an old Camry is better.
BTW if you want an EV you don't need a $50k Tesla to get groceries or Starbucks. You can buy one of those street legal $2600 chinese EVs. They go maybe 30mph but if all you do is side streets who cares.
They also have a 2 stroke hydrogen implosion engine for that China brand EV.
If you have a Nissan Leaf the thing changes a lot! I have a 2012 Nissan Leaf and I do DIY maintenance. It’s easy! I’ve already changed two water pumps by myself!
This is true. It's gonna be closed system that we can't touch that much and it's pretty boring for DIYer.
@@somebodyinnobody i won't be surprised if they had tamper tags on the panels that void warranty.
@@jesuskingofkings Yes that's how you make an EV.
So far only problem I've had is rotating the tires. Since they recommend not lifting the car from one side only because it may damage the battery.
So if you get a flat how do you change the tire?
As an experienced Ev owner, I think you hit key points and painted a reasonably accurate picture of Ev ownership related to them. Like in a lot of things, your choice of partner(manufacturers)can have a big impact on the overall experience though. Glad to see that you have retained your candor while delivering in your new style.
@@oddopops1327 but me personally it has to be the Tesla Model S for all rounder speed endurance and style it's built for the driver to enjoy not for the public that your passing who catch a glimpse of it, it's it has so many cool features that most don't offer at the price range and Tesla offer a lot of chargein stations even across Europe I think you should go view one before you make your mind up but I do like em
As an experienced EV owner, please tell us about recharge times.
@@Felled-angel Sure, I'll get right on it , Elon.
@@jimdavies6764 at home in the driveway or garage I charge overnight. On road trips 15-30 minutes depending on how much I need, usually those work out to be lunch stops or bio breaks.
@@jimdavies6764 And cost to recharge it. If it’s a 220V charger that’s like running a dryer for that long. The public charging stations might be free now but that won’t last.
As an electrical engineer I am impressed by the accuracy of the content, keep it up!
how about this... After every one owns an electric car, where will the charging power come from? As it is, hot summer air conditioners overtax the grid ! Think about THAT ! Seems no one ever mentions this !!!!
@@marcelfortin7035 This will require building additional power plants and running the ones we have at higher capacity. It is only a temporary problem. The main issue with adding more power plants, is that they will most likely all be coal.
@@tonycable4560 if the public would just get over it’s fear of nuclear fission, then we could have all the needed power for such station.
@@crafterchief3812 Agreed!
@J Thompson agreed
I'm sticking too my 96 Jeep Grand Cherokee I'm getting ready to put in a new interior to last another 25 years. 👍❤🇺🇸
I miss my 94. Las time i saw it (over 15 years ago) it was at over 500,000k (that's over 300,000 miles) I bought a 2008 model and it was nowhere near the same vehicle. Would have kept it but it had other problems. That's life tho.
Thank You for your service Kenny if that’s your Pic of you! I wanted to ask if you have had any issues with your Jeep?
Team ZJ👊😎
What motor is in ur jeep I got the same year make and model
I just did a small study of top of the line 21700 batteries (same as in a Tesla) and the results were interesting. Over 1 year of moderate use and 3 discharge/charge cycles per week they lost between %7 and %15 per cell. 1 out of 15 cells even developed an internal fault and started discharging themselves through generating heat.
In an electric car with thousands of these batteries I could imagine these results would cause some significant problems.
And yet, real world results do not support your "small study".
Exactly what 21700s are these? 21700s are a size of battery, (21mm diameter 70mm length) not a specific model or power rating. You can have 2000mah 5amp 21700s or 4000mah and 40amps. You can have Chinese garbage, or high quality Samsung cells. Simply saying 21700 gives you literally no information at all except their size…
Scotty, how did you get to be so smart? You're my hero 💙. A friend of mine bought a Prius a few years ago and bragged about his gas mileage, blah blah. Then the batteries died..$7,000.00 to replace them. He got rid of the car. I laughed and told him I'll stick with my 93 Toyota Camry. No car payments and not much maintenance. 👌
A friend of mine had the same thing happen. One Prius was still going strong after several years, but the other required battery replacement after about five (right after the warranty was up I believe). He did the math and replacing it plus the depreciation meant it was a paperweight -- there wasn't a thing he could do with it, and no one in their right mind would buy it. But he was still a true believer, for some reason.
@@jdraven0890 My friend replaced his "dead" battery (only two cells were dead) with a refurbished for 1200 euros. He got 3 years warranty for the refurbished battery. The shop took his old "dead" battery, they will replace the faulty cells and they will sell it to somebody else with warranty. If you can't think for simple solutions... It's like I have a broken valve in my engine and you ask me to replace the whole engine and the drivetrain.
I find that hard to understand a Prius battery is NiMh (cheaper older tech than Li) and pretty small as well, even Toyota say it should cost $2600 to replace.
@@matthewisaac6895 ..I don't know Matthew..that's what my friend told me. He said underneath the whole back seat are multiple batteries. He sold the car because he couldn't afford to replace them. All I know is what he told me.
Funny we have two Prius’s the little 12 volt battery lasted 7 years and the main has never had issues. It’s a 2010. The other one is a 2014 and its
little battery was just changed after 7 years and the main has never had issues. Don’t know where they went for service but it doesn’t cost 7K to change them. I have even seen videos here on how to do it. By the way the car still runs without it being in good shape.
I think we have become so lazy that we are afraid to do anything ourselves. I still have a 90 Mustang that I do everything on it. Electric is just cars evolving, once gas really starts to become scarce you ain’t gonna have a choice, it will be too expensive. Humanity has to evolve to survive.
Respect and love to the one and only Mr. Scotty we know and we appreciate!
What a phonominal honesty in every video 👏🎊
No EV for me but as an alternative i like the concept of the Hydrogen fuel cell , WATER . Scotty has mentioned ( i think ) as an easy conversion .
Infrastructure. They would have to dig up all those fuel tanks at gas stations and install hydrogen tanks. Hydrogen is never going mainstream.
Hydrogen fuel cells would be great, if hydrogen was readily available in a pure form. At an atomic weight of 1 hydrogen binds with many elements. Hydrogen electrolysis from water requires more electricity than the energy that the hydrogen produces. The most common source of hydrogen is from steam-methane reforming from natural gas, but that is still costly, but much better than electrolysis from water. Perhaps a more efficient method of producing hydrogen will be produced. It might be that a cleaner fuel will be produced from abundant NG.
WHY turn water and electricity into Hydrogen and then back to electricity when you can use electricity strait in your EV. It only make sense in heavy industrial applications.
@@bossman6174 the only advantage a hydrogen vehicle has over an ev is that you don't need to wait a long time to recharge your car, you can do it in only 4to5 minutes
@@dr.vishantpriyadarshi7050 But the cost of that is huge! saw a guy testing one of those in Canada, then i saw 46$ on the pump! then i knew hydrogen are done!
i bought an old transit van in 2010 for £720 and it was lpg gas converted with a range of 320 miles,no petrol the carb was knackered..anyway now done 240,000 miles on lpg but i had to have another engine that cost £300 and £300 to fit it...seems an economical way to own a vehicle
When Hurricane Irma hit Florida in 2017 people with Tesla's had to get rides from people with real cars when they left the state ahead of the storm. It took 18 hours to get from South Florida to get to Georgia with power out at various places along the way.
Im running about 700 miles with 13 gallons of diesel.
Screw the electric cars, for now
what are you driving a diesel gokart?
@@LichaelMewis I get 740 miles on 13 gallons in a Clio 1.5cdi
Yeah, I'll stick to my gas Toyota Tundra/4runner. If the new Hybrid Tundra has good power, I'll upgrade to a hybrid..
Waiting for that diesel hybrid to get one for my dad. He still has his ‘95 Toyota pickup still trucking.
I have a 1994 Toyota Pickup. I drive it every day.
so it doesn’t work in the hot it doesn’t work in the cold it’s can't tow anything, it takes hours to fill up the tank to get going again and depreciates like a Stone dropped off a cliff.. Where can I get one?
Love the new format! So informative, Scotty.
I just miss seeing Scottie’s eyes…
I like the waving hands talk better
Battery is to insure product obsolescence: an EV is like a smartphone, you throw it out once the battery fails. Unlike a Duracell, you can't replace it yourself.
I replaced Gen 1 and Gen 2 Pokemon and other save battery reliant games and such as a first "job" before being hired as a mechanic. Anything is repairable if you are capable enough and with EVs, it will be no different than a early mech. injected VW diesel (which I own two of and their data and method of timing was difficult info to obtain but I got them to run reliably), pre-1970 kick start only Harleys (my dad repaired and maintains one), Ford and VW engines in general, just to name a few! Even my dad asked me to, and I repaired, his "disposable" laptop when his screen broke in a bout between him and my brother over stupid stuff.
Well if we introduced the guaranteed right to repair for everything this would be less of an issue as independent shops or consumers could get access to parts and tools to fix them
Then you introduce new problems such as a foot in for legislation as in who could be authorized to repair such things. Such measures is what all but killed magneto repair, and almost wiped out mech. diesel injector pump repair. Usually you break more than you fix the problem with such an option. We already have people who repair or make all those fun toys without authorization anyway so just finding the proper "go-to" to keep them alive for you to keep playing with them is in the long run, the best choice. Case in point, I even help VW diesel folks with aidful advice to enjoy their VW toys as my dad does when inquired to provide info with such unique hardware he plays with. Mind, I took my diesel to a dozen "authorized" diesel mechanics and they replied with either "WTF is that?" or told me, frankly to "Go FVck Myself." If one has the inherent capability to repair it, then folks who can fix it will exist or come into existence.
Actually you can replace it yourself, there's videos on TH-cam of them being replaced by DIYer's. Including videos replacing bad cells to save money rather than the whole thing. Perhaps this doesn't apply to every single model of electric car but I'd imagine it applies to most, no need to fear monger.
@@ellisargamer9248 Replacing one cell in your battery pack is like changing one tire out of four in your car. Some people go for this cheaper solution without knowing they shortchanged themselves.
Lithium Ion batteries made with Iron and Phosphate can be charged to 100% without damaging the battery and can be drained to near 0% without damaging the battery unlike Lithium Ion batteries that use Nickle and Cobalt which is what Scotty is referring to in this video. Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries last 2 to 3 times longer than the batteries Scotty is referring to in the video and are cheaper. Tesla, Ford and VW have all announced they will be switching to Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries though Tesla will only be using them in their standard range vehicles and continue to use their current battery in their long range versions.
Another thing I wan to clarify is cold weather effects on all batteries. Yes in very cold weather electric cars have less range because the batteries can't hold as much charge when they are cold. Once the weather warms up the electric cars gains the range back. Cold does not damage the batteries. It just doesn't let the batteries hold as much charge while they are cold.
Battery technology is being developed and new types of batteries that are cheaper and hold more charge pound per pound that will increase the range of EVs are on the horizon. My bet is we will see them in less than 10 years. One battery currently in development has 3 times the energy capacity of current EV batteries. The standard range Model 3 has a range of 263 miles. Multiple that by 3 and you get a range of 789 miles. Even if the car battery degraded 10 miles a year after 10 years the car would still have a range of 689 miles. After 20 years it have a range of 589 miles. Way more than you ever really need.
I also like to address the concern over Lithium. EV batteries will be near 100% recycled. Once all cars are electric we won't really have to dig up more Lithium. As cars age out to be replaced with new ones the old EV batteries Lithium will be recycled to make the new car's battery. Same holds true for Nickle and Cobalt though I believe those will be phased out eventually and the Lithium Iron Phosphate don't use them anyway.
One thing overlooked is the drain from the heater. Winter driving can reduce range to half. Also neglected to mention charging facilities and charging times which can take anywhere from 30 min to 8 hours - now imagine if everyone at the pump had to sit there that length of time. Traffic would be backed up forever. I'm afraid the electric car is a rich man's fad being sold under the guise of ecofriendly but we aren't even close to being there with electricity production or storage technology.
Most EV's use liquid cooled thermal management to keep batteries at an optimal temperature. This means that your EV may use a few miles of range keeping the components cool when you are not driving, but it will not significantly affect the longevity of the car (the Nissan Leaf is the anomaly as it uses air cooled batteries). Most EV's will have ther brake pads last 100k-200k miles.
@@jack99889988 You should tell that to all 56,000 of those people up in Sweden who have purchased electric cars and now make up over 50% of all cars sold there. They don't seem to be having the problems you seem to think happen.
@@jack99889988 heard of a garage for storing vehicles?
@@Aircam73 Same in Canada. A friend of mine has a 2007 Toyota Hybrid that hasn't cost him a penny other than tires
@@jack99889988 actually no....not anywhere where it actually gets that cold in the winter. unheated maybe but not completely uninsulated.
@@jack99889988 The point is it is cold in Sweden and the EVs run just fine. There are even whole TH-cam channels dedicated to it such as Bjørn Nyland. He takes these EVs and actually camps in them in -36C temperatures. Something you can't do in an ICE as you would DIE.
Scotty is an intelligent person, capable of adapting to new technologies and times, because his heart and mind are young forever. My admiration to you, I’ll keep watching your always interesting and practical lessons.
It’s not the environmental answer that’s taking into account the resources needed for the battery
yea , what do you do with all the big old corroding n leaking lithium batteries ? landfills are full.
Totally 100% right and then coal factories that have to produce electricity for electric cars blue twice as much
yea , EVs n batteries are so inefficient......even moreso in very hot n very cold climates.
Someone learned from internet memes and not actually facts. Less than 19% off electricity produced is from coal. The batteries are recycled not landfill.
@@driver4011 ever seen an open coal field? Ever measured what the environmental loads coming from a coal stack are? Your looking at the small picture. We need to move beyond the petty, yes there are issues but you can only deal with them as they occur. Yes currently most power is from fossil fuels but we can change that. Its not an either or proposition. Its obvious we cant fix everything in one go, popular attention span isnt that good. As for land fill full of leaking lithium batteries, aint seen one yet.
I just bought a used Honda Clarity and as soon as I got it home, we realized it wouldn't charge.
Took it back to the dealer to have them diagnose it. They needed $8k to replace the charging control module somewhere in the dash. The part itself was $4,XXX.
Forget the battery, everything else on hybrids are financial nightmares, too.
The question i think a lot of people are left with is. How sustainable is the batteries for these vehicles? do we have the resources?
The use rare earth minerals so what do you think 🤷♂️
Lithium mining is a highly polluting industry.
Majority of Lithium is in third world countries
China controls majority of mining industries .
I rest my case
@@TheGecko213 now you know why China was so nice to Africa last 15 years
@@p2p104
China has captured most of the Lithium and rare earth mines all over the world .
By depending on EV vehicles , we will be slaves to China in place of the oil companies .
Ooh wow they last 10 years. The old piston engine in my Ford Escort is 21 years old and running just fine. I change oil regularly and flush the cooling system every couple of years. I call that low maintenance.
I *don't* change the oil or flush the cooling system in my Tesla. I call *that* low maintenance, Nancy.
@@x666x34b But what happens in 10 years, 20 years? Or 40 years like the Benz.....
The price of battery packs will continue to fall and reliability, capacity and longevity will increase over the next few years. Keep in mind that motors and battery packs can be swapped out much more easily.
Advancements with EV tech are happening at an increasing pace (as more companies jump into the market) - These are the early days of EV technology, this is the "worst" the technology will be....
I've got a horse in the garden, that still works as well.
@@JentonInternational But it emits methane
Now all we need is a power grid that can handle all this extra capacity.
This sounds to me like it could be a thorny issue.
I live in Manitoba, Canada, where we have an abundance of cheap hydro electricity. Clean, cheap and abundant. However, next door in Saskatchewan and Alberta much of the electricity is generated by FOSSIL FUELS.
So, exactly how much better off will the environment be?
That's not even starting on Ontario, to the east of us, whose power rates are already notorious - I don't see how running an electric vehicle there could possibly make economic sense.
Then, there's the distance factor and infrastructure required for charging. Much of Western Canada is remote enough that this is going to be very challenging.
Shockingly true!!
@@guywerry6614 lots of studies show that regardless of the source of electricity electric vehicles are better for the environment then internal combustion. The reason being that even if the local utility is using coal fire generation the overall emissions are significantly lower then the thousands of small internal combustion engines that would be replaced.
Yes in places like Saskatchewan the benefit wouldn't be as great but it still would be a net positive.
As for capacity is not like this would happen overnight. Horse and buggies certainly didn't when the IC engine was invented....
Get back to us in ANOTHER HUNDRED YEARS. If you want to drive Coast-to-Coast, you might as well take a covered wagon! And how's that ski boat going to work? Charge it every half hour? Like Electric Dirt Bikes? And if I'm out in the woods in my Jeep, what tree do I plug into? Yeah, nope!
@@robertthayer5779
Point well made... I'm sticking the gasoline engine, made in Japan..not by GM; I could write a book about the junk I've owned, from chevys to pontiac, cadillac and Oldsmobile. Owned a ford Taurus, it was crap too.
So, if the battery doesn't need to be replaced, maintenance on an electric vehicle is cheaper than maintenance on an internal combustion engine vehicle. That's a mighty big "if". Mighty big..
How much is the resale value of a used electric powered vehicle?
You want an electric car that'll go a long way ? Install bicycle pedals. You might hear "Are we there yet ?" more often though.
You could always connect the car to a horse, so instead of a 'horse & CARt', it will be a 'horse & CAR'. Just be sure to carry some hay and water in the trunk for when the poor horse gets hungry and thirsty. That's true HORSEpower.
@@beachforestmountain4269 Endless money pit
@John Doe A cork will solve that problem.
@John Doe hahahaha
@John Doe Haha, couldn't the horse just expand like a balloon?
I'll stick with an IC engine. The reasons are too many to list.
range
Being poor and stupid is up there
@@DrakeDealer man,no need to expose yourself
@@DrakeDealer that aint nice, nor is it true. there are higher cost of insurance, lower resale value, home electric wiring upgrade costs, what if you park in the street, time spent at super charging stations, harder and more expensive to get specialty parts/repairs, some areas of the country dont have dealers or certified service techs for hundreds of miles, the upfront price difference, if you drive a lot daily
It's only because the infrastructure supporting ICEs make it convenient. If the push to mainstream EVs succeed, it's only a function of time when gas stations gets less common and now ICE drivers suffer from range anxiety instead
What worries me the most about the electric car right now besides range is I live in Arizona. Ambient temperatures in the summer can be around a hundred fifteen degrees. Shade is not always an option. Temperatures off the asphalt or concrete can exceed a hundred and forty five degrees Fahrenheit. If you're at work that means the vehicle will be setting in the heat for at least 8 hours plus the commute to and from work. So what total effect will this have on battery?
It is definitely a concern for folks in Vegas and Phoenix. You want to look at cars that use traditional liquid cooling. Some, most notably the Nissan Leaf, did not do this but are instead air cooled. Do your research on those vehicles that are liquid cooled, check forums and such to see if owners have experienced heat related issues in hot climates like Arizona. My gut tells me that 100-150 degree temps are not hot enough by themselves to fry a battery pack. The concern is that when driving, the batteries are moving electrons and this creates heat. You want to limit how hot the batteries get during operation. Perhaps on really hot days you'd want to avoid pushing the car hard, which could stress the battery, but generally if a EV is up on its coolant it should be okay to sit in the heat.
@@livemeyer I agree. That's what I've been trying to do. I've also been trying to talk to people who actually own these cars.
My biggest concern is cars parked outdoors in asphalt parking lots. Makes me wonder how which is around 150 degrees would be affecting the effectiveness of the battery and the longevity.
But like everything else maybe just a matter of waiting and saying what happens in the long run.
These things seem to work well in middle America. South is to hot, north is to cold.
Your video sold me. I'm sticking with a combustion engine.
Worked at the Toyota dealer and I can tell you that I have seen prius with over 200k miles still have factory brake pads and rotors on them with 80 percent life remaining.
I see you have worked at toyota...What do you think as far as toyota Prius vs. Tesla as far as longevity of the life and Maintenance of the vehicles. I know the Tesla looks way better but the previous I feel like has a better track record. What do you think?
Dacia have you seen the new Highlander ??
And the cost to buy? Way to much for anyone but the high earners ,working man no chance of getting one on minimum wages
It's good to have a choice, but realize everything is a novelty in the beginning... until the shine wears off the gingerbread. As for me, I'll stick with what I know best and that's a gasoline internal combustion engine. Stop at a gas station, fill her up and go... is the way to go.
While everyone is going to be waiting 20 mins plus for their electric cars to fill up not even fully charged too
I’m going to be taking 45 seconds to fill up my tank of gas
And not to mention that slaves mostly children are the ones mining the material we use for batteries and things
No wonder our governments want ev’s so much
Electric cars are here the last 100 years.
Scotty- The David Attenborough of vehicles- you are a living legend!!
Attenborough has went full greenie. His shows now push climate change caused by man.
@@samuelhowie4543 Well it’s the biggest threat to the ecosystem he’s spent his career showing us, so why wouldn’t he?
Sorry if it hurts your feelings bro
@@Colddirector lol.
You did a good job telling us about the basics of an EV vehicle. MY concerns are with distance, driving from Missouri to Florida. With EV with a range of only 200-300 miles per full charge, minus some distance due to weight/load and heat & cold, forcing the vehicle to use more electricity for heating & air conditioning for the passengers, THEN needing 12-15 hours to charge so you can drive another 250 miles... it would take a week to drive to Florida and another week to drive back home.
It charges very slow on home plug, it can fast charge within hour in charging points. Also sure ev are bad for long distance but most people use vehicles for commute.
About half an hour for my car to charge on fast charging, and I'm using a vehicle with the slowest form of fast charging around, I believe. Then again, this is for 120 miles. It takes about 7 hours to charge mine up after a 40 mile round trip to work, but that's from a standard 3 pin wall plug so basically the worst case scenario.
Fast chargers take 30 minutes to charge to 80. Take a break after 300 miles or so. Its good for you.
No manufacturer wants to give the hard facts about Winter driving and the average 40% battery loss of said battery. A blue collar EV vehicle will only average 300 miles on a full charge. Now its Winter in Northern Illinois , the temps drops into the 10 degree range. So I live 150 miles from Indianapolis, a round trip is 300 miles, now I will have to recharge the battery 3/4 of the way home, THATS CRAZY. BTW, my 2012 Honda Accord has a 18.5 gallon tank, it gets 33 mpg, that’s almost 500 miles before I need to take 10 minutes to refill and drive another 500, do you get my drift.
@@skubefamilychannel Imagine for a moment if EV were the legacy technology in place. How easy it would be in that case for combustion engine to make their case. Long range autonomy, short refilling time not depending on how many cars are queuing up at the gas station, no headache with charging cable typology or charging station technical characteristics, negligible performance loss in case of cold or hot temperature, less weight, no crazy acceleration as potential form of hazard in case of unexperienced pilots, easy to estinguish in case they catch fire. It would sound revolutionary
I've heard Challenger owners talk about needing to replace tires. Fun costs rubber.
I had to replace the back tires on my '65 GTO every couple months. Just terrible.
I have heard a lot more than talking about replacing it. I have heard them complain. But the challenger is a powerful car. The electic cars are heavy cars so they will go through a lot of tyre wear also.
@@stevet8121 How much would that typically run you Steve?
@@FalconFlight747 About $30 each if I remember right. I do remember I bought 2 rear tires from JC Penny one time. They had a guaranteed mileage. I came back about a month later and showed them they were almost bald. The manager said abusing the tire didn't count. I couldn't argue that. I finally grew up and started being more responsible.
@@stevet8121 for $30 a tire you can’t really expect anything special. They last longer on a regular cheap car
Second time I've heard 'range anxiety' mentioned in conjunction with EVs. Wouldn't that also be described as 'premature discharge'?
I've been suffering from 'range anxiety' all my life.
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Thank you for making these videos because they generally answer my questions. I respect the work ethic and keep going scotty :)
I wish someone would ever discuss the human and environmental impact when sourcing the minerals required to build the batteries for all these electric vehicles not to mention their disposal. The health effects of all the electrical exposure.Also the fact that knowone anywhere has enough electrical infrastructure to handle the equivalent requirements of conventional vehicles for our needs. We just can't ignore over a hundred years of progress getting the world where it is. It's not perfect but it's worked. I think its premature and immature to believe this new way can be implemented 100% in just a couple years when the powers that be won't talk about the downside of this electric wave at any cost.
I just posted a video about the horrendous conditions in the Congo, where child labor is used to dig colbolt for the batteries. Just horrible...
You need to really educate properly because you all here knows nothing about electric cars. Lets talk about oil and gas where you bleeding out this planet. Oil, gas are to keep the planet firm and when drilling out oil which leads to depletion of minerals in the soil so we're not consuming proper nutrients. Oil and gas comes like blood so next couple of 1000 yrs this planet will surely die.
The cool part is that we are making discoveries everyday to replace exotic materials, improve batteries and get more performance out of EVs!
This^^^
Imagine a world without gas, and no alternatives. Electric must progress to be one of the viable options in the future.
Love the quality content you continually post! I can watch other how to channels and sometimes have to go through 2-3 videos before I figure out what the heck they’re even talking about. Not your videos. You get straight to the point and tell it like it is! Thank you for helping us who weren’t raised around this stuff, truly understand what we are looking at and dealing with!!
Glad to see Scotty has come around to EV's. I'm a total petrol head who builds sport kits cars but got a leaf as my daily driver and simply wish I'd got one ten years ago. Yeah my brakes don't seem to be wearing at all, despite my less than efficient driving. Plus the wheels never have any brake dust so the wheels are always spotless. It's definitely more aggressive on the tyres due to the torque, meaning I need to select ECO mode to stop it spinning it's wheels in the wet. The battery has degraded at a rate of 1% per year (checking with Leafspy) so is not even a consideration. I've owned 34 petrol and diesel cars before this one and none come even close to how much I enjoy driving my EV.
Who said he’s coming around? He’s just stating the facts on these pieces of crap. By the way, if you gain more joy from driving a glorified golf cart, you were never a true petrol head.
@@LateNightCable Well said. EVs are a reality, but they are soulless crap.
they are bags of shite these evs theyl never sell as long as we have petrol and deisel
EVs have their advantages and disadvantages. He's using it as a daily commuter which is exactly what it's intended for. Nothing wrong with that. Save on fuel costs (LGB), more efficient with its energy usage, and get some fun from sloppy driving on the side streets.
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Petrol and Diesel will be withdrawn from the market due to the Climate Change hoax - we might not be given any choice.
Last week I drove 1200 miles to a couple of oil sites. These sites are located in northern Canada. Access is on gravel/ muddy roads. Guess what? No charging stations. I'll pass on EV's.
Good thing most people don’t need to drive to remote oil sites.
These cars aren't designed to go to remote sites like that. Not a car I would take on a long distance trip but wouldn't be bad as an everyday commuter to work and back. Only thing that would stop me from buying one is not knowing how long the battery will last. Up to 10 years isn't good enough for me.
But couldn't you just drop an extension cord down from the clouds to charge it? Hahahahahaha.
@@beachforestmountain4269 Silly---you tow a trailer with a gas powered generator. just sayn
What? Are you saying the infrastructure for a new technology that's been around for just over a decade isn't abundant? Who would've guessed that? /s
I've been driving a 2011 Nissan Leaf for about 10 years. The battery had lost a significant part of it's range after I left it in the garage 4 months thinking it would be safer there. When winter was over and I went to start the car I had to recharge the "starter" battery and found the drive battery in good condition. But the range was significantly reduced leading to my quest to find a newer used battery. I got lucky and found a 2nd generation battery with 90% life on eBay for $2000 with installation included. That breathed life into my car and I'm happy with it. But "range anxiety" is a constant concern. In the winter I can go about 30 miles with the heater off, less with it on. In the summer I can go about 45 miles, less with the A/C on.
Put in 1 of those cheap Chinese Dieseal heaters 😊
Scotty delivering the goods. I'll happily keep driving gas cars, thank you!
Wait until Presidick Bitn & wacko cronies run gas up near $10 per gallon. For our protection of the "environment".
Well done! If we want to buy a "pre-owned" EV, how can we evaluate the battery conditions on it? That would be a good follow-up video.
There is an app for the metrics and Chevy has a service mode screen showing all the numbers at once.
In the case of the Nissan LEAF, the raw battery metrics data can be read from the OBDII port via a reader with Bluetooth into your smart phone and viewed in an app. This is how I checked the true health of my battery when we bought ours used.
There is no technical way to see or say what kind if life Is left on the battery. It's all dependant on a number of factors in each person's life. Like Usuage, ambient temps, etc....
My phone battery doesn't even make it a full year cause I use it so hard. Then it expands (bloats) and I have to buy a new one. Most people I know their phones go multiple years on same battery. But they also don't use them as hard as me. And probably don't have an ultra protective otter box case like me that keeps the heat in.
Plan on the electric car batteries dying and you needing to replace them. That's the best mind set to have.
@@WheresWaldo05 I use a Chargie and that keeps my phone battery healthy
Don’t buy used ev cars, they cost about or the same as new
Just make sure you have a gas powered generator in the trunk in case your battery runs out of juice.
We have a EV Kona 64kw battery. Have had it now for 16 mths . No problems at all have put 35,000 km on it now. We charge it 2 to 3 times week at home on a level 2 charger at a cost of about $5.70 each charge for a range of 350 to 380 km per charge. Never have used a level 3 charger as of yet. We get a range of 470km in summer and winter a range of 340km . We love this car and will never buy another gas car
Scotty, your videos are perhaps the best on TH-cam. The way you present your videos is so informative and comforting. You explain things in a way that even a Cave Man could understand it. Thank you for what you provide. Happy New Year to you and yours.
Leave your car parked under shades.... are the batteries installed on the car roof or at the bottom under the shade??? I just stopped watching.....
@@aicilopon26 , metal conducts heat and the whole vehicle is made of metal. The sun will indirectly heat the whole vehicle.
It used to be just a garage Vlog, now this channel looks and feel different. It has class and great contents . Keep it up Scottie .
I liked it better when it was just a down-to-Earth "Garage Vlog."
That's because GM made the video for him. You can tell how professional the vid looks and he is reading from a script. He usually does vids off the cuff.
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General Motors and not a Tesla paycheck ???
Personally I'm not down on EVs , I like the idea.
But I'm going to wait till 2023 when Toyota puts out their EVS to the market. Toyota people are very smart they're going to hand out free houses with garages when you buy one of their EVS 😉
Yeah I remember the game theory guy starting in his closet
@@icost4671 i dont need incentives to buy toyota !😁
So here's a question, how much does one actually save on an electric vehicle versus a traditional gas vehicle if they live in an area of greater heat or cold (Arizona, Texas, Florida, North Dakota, Minnesota, Alaska, etc.) if they do not already have a garage or shaded place to park their vehicles. There are extra costs outside of just the vehicle and its maintenance that have to be considered for first time buyers. What's the cost to get a charging station (or 2 for those with more than 1 vehicle) setup at one's residence. If you live in a harsher climate and do not have the appropriate cover for your electric vehicle, what's it going to cost to put said garage or shaded parking area in. As a child, I grew up in Michigan and we did not have a garage, so I have some experience with cold weather and later in life my parents moved to Florida and we have no shaded place to park our cars.
So I'm asking because if I switched to an electric vehicle, it seems that there will be some fairly large extra costs above that of the vehicle that will be much larger than the quoted average $4600 savings over the life of the vehicle. Also, if you live in Florida and use certain trees for shade, you will end up with large amounts of pollen or other things covering your car regularly (again from experience) and if you live anyplace where sugar ants are common, they are drawn to electric power sources and can cause major issues by crawling into things and dying in the current.
I'm not against electric vehicles, I just believe there are costs that a lot of people ignore or do not want to bring up with this conversation.
if the car is kept plugged into the power supply, the HVAC system can be programmed to set the interior temp correctly, thus not draining the battery. Similar, modern cars keep the battery at the right temperature as long as kept plugged into the mains - no warm up time like an ICE.
This is vary out dated. They have complete difrent battery then the one in the video. And a new one that ain't hit the marker yet that is solid stat.
@@dannybelanger5501 and what is that?
Nobody has factored in the rates of electricity. In Germany, the switch to E.V.'s plus the switch to wind and solar have more than quadrupled the already high cost of power...to the point where some people now have to chose between heat and food. Don't think for a moment that the Climate Change mass delusion that has destroyed the German economy is going to affect America any differently. E.V.'s will simply be a transitional step from ICE vehicles...to no vehicles period. A woman working for English P.M. Boris Johnson , has already stated that in the future, England will "move away" from ALL PERSONAL VEHICLES...both ICE...and electric. This was determined based on the green energy disaster in Germany, so they already know there will never be enough power to charge all those E.V. batteries in the future. Look no further than the rolling blackouts in California, and the green energy failure in Texas last winter. That's your "sustainable" future, spending half of your energy trying to stay warm or cool, and the other half on finding food.
Cost to insure EV is higher than a new gasoline car with similar safety features. Do price the cost of ins for EV vs Similar priced gasoline vehicle.
As soon as i saw an article about that doctor and father died in his electric car after it crashed and the resulting fire burned through the electronics and locked the doors permanently with him inside
You say to avoid charging your battery too often when it doesn't really need it and I agree with you on that. But when using regenerative breaking isn't that exactly what you're doing
I thought the same thing. I guess the recharge from regenerative braking isn't enough to cause the same issue as keeping it topped off.
That's a really good Point - so the batteries won't last as long in city driving and would also be good to consider not charging it fully in those cases.
@@evhwolfgang2003 Regenerative breaking simply reduces the rate of net discharge. It's not possible for regenerative breaking to charge the battery up to or above it's initial charge. If it did you'd have a perpetual motion machine. Not possible.
Never mentions the exotic materials used in the batteries and their disposal.
That's because those materials are 100% recoverable to be used in New batteries, and the thriving aftermarket uses for batteries no longer healthy enough for automotive use but still viable for energy storage for homes etc.
These Materials you speak of make up less than 1% of the battery.
@@MrAndrew941 Nope they make up darn near 100% of the battery. The batteries are almost entirely recyclable. Look buy an electric or not it doesn't matter. Much like the farriers that nay sayed those new fangled horseless carriages electric cars will become the norm.
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But how much will it cost me as a car owner? I.e. my gas car is still cheaper to run from new than an EV, what will be in place for making these EV batts affordable and replaceable?
@@ChillyDippers Not where I live. We lose power too often due to storms. 10 years ago we lost power for 21 days straight. What are going to do what that occurs? You are going die that's what.. Just this winter we lost power on 4 occasions. Once for almost a week another time for 4 days another time for 2 days and recently for almost 1 day. I live in Kentucky and our power lines are above ground and we deal with ice storms and when we have heavy winds it can easily uproot trees due to the clay deposits. City folk will own them but the rest of will never own one because it would become a lawn ornament during the winter and when we have bad storms. It is absolutely impossible for us to go EV. No one is going to redo our entire electrical grid. They made that abundantly clear so we own generators and propane and ICE's and we always have cash on hand in the event of power outages.
Interesting, but I plan to keep driving and repairing my '99 Buick for a long time before trusting all this new EV technology.
I think you are right too. Once the battery technology is better and more proven, I’ll make the switch. Electric motors are fantastic, much less maintenance, better torque, way more efficient and much cheaper to own overall if you forget the battery costs
@@josephsallis2808 I remember a time when Americans where the the leading edge of technology. It looks like most are no longer forward thinkers and settle. They don’t even look at facts but go by misconceptions. I’m 68 and I’ve seen lots of changes but now people want to keep the old even when they know what comes out the tailpipe is poison.
@@jonfscott you’ve also seen early adaptations fail. And I think you will see attitudes change as the price drops, charging infrastructure improved and the batteries get better. It is moving fast. And if General Motors is the first to develop the million mile battery, they might win. Don’t forget Tesla is an American company.
I agree but do not see GM surviving. Their debt is way to high. Yes Tesla is an American company but too many fossil fuel industries keep the FUD going. I do see a bright future for Tesla.😎
@@josephsallis2808 I dont know US, but in Europe government has huge tax income from petrol and diesel fuel sales....so they will tax EV fuel as well or they have to come up with new taxes just to have the same income. The only reason you dont pay extra for the electricity for your car yet is they want you to make the change.