When a Cybertonian dies his/her spark goes back to AllSpark/Primus "so it may grow, learn, and evolve". Starscream's treachery is so great that not even his god wants him back. "Heaven doesn't want me and Hell's afraid I'll take over."
But Beast Wars is canon to G1 (as shown here with Possession), so we know sparks existed in G1. The writers didn't at the time, which led to those plot holes.
@@OptimusPhillip G1 being canon to Beast Wars doesn't mean Beast Wars is canon to G1. See also: Headmasters. In any case... there's no reason to feel sure that Beast Wars transformers physiology is the same as G1 transformers. In fact there's pretty good reasons to believe they're different.
@@Threeleggedyoyo in Beast Wars, both G1 Megatron and Optimus Prime are shown to have Sparks which were used to give BW Megatron and Primal their transmetal 2 forms.
To be honest, Sense he was vaporized by Galvatron might be the reason. Let me explain; Sense Galavtron *only* killed Starscream in the movie, through the chest for that matter, might have "upgraded/mutated" his spark. Because of the shear amount of power/radiation might have overloaded his spark, causing a HUGE influx of power, disintegrating his body. Basically: Galavtrons shot mutated Starscreams spark.
Considering how much of that was Unicron's power flowing through Galvatron. Plus, I recall newly minted Optimus in War Dawn shrugging off a full point blank power blast from Megatron, so maybe those initial moments after creation give a Transformer (or at least an already powerful one) a temporary hyper-boost nonpareil, and Starscream unwittingly benefitted from this. Galvatron: I did - WHAAAATTT!!!???
I actually have an idea that maybe it was actually Galvatron who made him immortal. It's been demonstrated in later stories that Unicron's energies are capable of reanimating the dead, and Starscream was blasted right in the chest with the stuff. Maybe his spark absorbed some of the energy and he became immortal that way.
No, no, none of it is right or true. In the canon story as I remember, Starscream used to be a prestigious scientist on Cybertron before deciding being a warrior and then a Decepticon before the Cybertron Civil War. On one of his experiments, he made a miscalculation which caused a laboratory accident. In that accident, his Spark was mutated and made indestructible, but the fact of his immortality would only surface after his body was destroyed by Galvatron.
I think this one can be fairly simple if you look at it a certain way :) In Beast Wars, Starscream says that his death threw him "beyond the reach of time itself". Now, this can mean a few things, but I've got one interpretation that fits really nicely. In a lot of science fiction stories, time is something that only affects mortals and the living. Beings on a higher plane can move through time in the same way that we move through space. Check out the short story "The Egg" for an example of this plot device. Beast Wars establishes that Starscream has a mutant spark that can stay in the physical world after death. After Starscream died, he was able to view time from the "outside". He saw the events preceding and following his death, so that's how he knew Galvatron's name and who Unicron was. So why enter the Beast Wars? Well, that's simple! We see Starscream attempt to take out the Predacons and Maximals. His plan was to commandeer the advanced Maximal/Predacon technologies, like transwarp, then spend the next 4 million years taking over Earth and stockpiling energon before G1 even began! Keep in mind, Starscream knows how the beast wars play out, so he's aware of how to use the golden disk. Even if Starscream doesn't follow BW Megatron's plan, it's still the perfect time to dethrone a comatose Megatron AND get his body back.
@babysinclairfan: Awesome! That seems like a great explanation! I'm sold. I was so excited he made his appearance along with Ravage. My two fave Decepticons next to Rumble! I often wondered what would happen given access to Transmetal tech, and use a seekers body instead of his own because it could alter time or create a paradox. History would have to unfold the same way until that timeline..? Great Scott, Marty!
It's always been my understanding that Starscream is the only transformer to feel the full power of Galvatron. Starscream spark was mutated by Galvatron's full power blast, also having a small portion of Unicrons dark energon as a power source. Which if you remember eventually drove Galvatron mad in both the original series, and in the Prime series. Going so far as to completely lose control of his own body.
There's an interesting thought. The only other thing that felt the full fury of a super powered blast by Galvatron is the planet Thrull. So that coupled with Starscream's never ending desire to lead the Decepticons could have been the catalyst.
RodimusPrimal I think that Starscreams personal desires have less to do with it. I would place more blame on the dark energon as it's nature is unpredictable at best. More or less I believe that Starscreams indestructible spark is an unintended side effect of the dark energon blast that vaporized his body. His spark being a positively charged energy bundle was forced into negativity charged particals instead of annihilating the two energies, something new was created. Similar to what happens in a partical collider.
Not to mention the late Chris Laettner with a professional comedian up to that point in time his life he had never done any voice acting what so ever how ironic
He's also very dynamic in the comics, going on to rule Cybertron after the war is over as an elected official. He is a naturally gifted politician. Who's have thought
Nah man BW is a show that tied a lot of things plus we still use the terms like spark, stasis and more. So IMO it is not a horrible continuation for me at least. But you can think otherwise.
As Starscream floats through space you see Galvatron shoot him. Then all the present Deceptions chase after Starscream, Galvatron clearly intending to kill him. The reason we never see Starscream in G1 after that is because Galvatron most likely did kill him a second time. Starscream came back only to die minutes after his resurrection. Ironic, just like most of Starscream's other failures.
@CyberNinjaZero: I'm fascinated by your explanation. Would you elaborate? I didn't retain as much knowledge of Marvel's history. . are you suggesting he didn't take the power from the "Underbase" or he DID? Just the movie took place at which point? I'm curious, and like your take..
I like the idea that Starscream literally just floated into a star and the started screaming as he got closer. He's heading towards a *star* while *screaming* I'll see myself out.
For the behind the scenes reason, Starscream's ghost is just a cool concept that Transformers writers love to revisit! Many Japanese G1 comics have brought the ghost of Starscream back. In Transformers Energon, Starscream is revived with an incomplete body, allowing him to take on a ghostly form. In Cybertron, Starscream is "killed" and winds up trapped in an alternate dimension. He is still able to communicate with Galvatron in a spectral form. In Animated, Starscream is revived and given immortality by the Allspark. Both he and the cast think that he's a ghost until they eventually catch on to the truth.
Speaking of the animated movie, do you think that you could provide clarity on the Matrix of Leadership, its limits, how it happens to have existed inside of Optimus throughout seasons one and two, and its relation to the Baytrix of Leadership?
RodimusPrimal you know if Megatron was still function ,I bet he would have tell the coneheads, blitzing and soundwave to fly on the side of astrotrain so that he still have chance to repair his troop back on cybertron
I have to admit that I just assumed that starscream was a transdementional and out of phase with tine being akin to primus and unicron. Then I just attributed it to bad story telling and communication between the groups involved in making transformers. I love watching your videos as I have been watching TF since it aired on the Bozo Show in '84. Keep up the vids Rodimus. Till all are one!
I would suspect possession would be a game of wills. Therefore Starscream may only be able to possess people who had weaker willpower than he did. Galvatron would be too strong for him to control - as it was he could only maintain partial control on scourge.
Treachery and backstabbing are "good traits" of a strong Decepticon. All the back and forth, threatening, and trying to kill each other, that's what "best friends" looks like for Decepticons.
The beast wars episode take place right after the 1986 movie, his "fresh" memory of that event implies that. He traveled back in time, then forward after the events in the episode.
I just realized if Starscream, in Beast Wars, could have gotten to the Ark he might of been able to get his body and, revive the Decepticons early. Of course Beast Wars would have ended early due to the Maximals getting decimated but, it is still interesting. lol
Thank goodness, other wise, I feel, we would see a similar scene to that of Ironhide, Prowl, Ratchet and, Brawn during the Transformers movie. I wouldn't be able to handle it. lol
Keenan Soundwave comic and story wise, Brawn didn't really die. However poorly scripted season 3 could never include previous autobot and deceptions since retail sales were down on them.
I figured that there's some Unicron energy in Galvatron's barrel. If Unicron can alter a body, why couldn't it alter a spark? It was the first bot Galvatron had fired upon. Unicron left one in the chamber.
How about this? Starscream's spark was unremarkable until he was killed by a full-power blast from a being recently recreated by Unicron himself. This also coincided with his execution at a time of ultimate triumph turned literally to ashes. Pain, grief, anger, pride plus the noted in-video desire to not die combined with these primal energies to make his imprint eternal.
"Jettison some weight even though were in weightless outerspace and inertia should carry us forward until gravity of a large object slows us down but jettison some "weight" anyway to advance the toyline i mean storyline."
Or he made a deal with Starscream and demanded his burden be lightened to give Starscream the opportunity to dump his disabled leader into space. He did, after all, put the crown on his head during his coronation. Also, watch the episode "Triple Takeover".
I always thought that Galvatrons 1st shot was imbued with the power of Unicron and had the unforeseen effect of phasing Starscream into a realm between universes.
I always assumed that Starscream died a second time at the end of the episode "Ghost in the Machine". We see Starscream tumble through space and passes by Galvatron. Galvatron starts shooting at Starscream wildly and hits him a few times. Starscream clearly has smoke spewing from his body. This smoke means he is damaged. So I believe Starscream floated around space injured and died a second time. His spark than leaves his body and tumbles through time and space, eventually ending up in Beast Wars.
You're correct.The 2nd death was in the body that Unicron restored for the 3 labors in "Ghost In The Machine". The spark either tumbled, or Starscream purposely found his way into transwarp space. That is a G1 to Beast Wars plot hole, though. It was likely expected to be completely overlooked by viewers in the target age range and that was the case mostly. It is a hole because it doesn't explain in Beast Wars how the Maximals could attempt to replicate Starscream's spark if it was floating around in space until possessing Waspinator. I mean one would think in order to replicate a spark, it would require holding the original spark? .This likely means the Maximals secured Starscream's actual spark at some point , and either just before or just after the replication he/it escaped.
@Turismo Smoke: you are thinking *duplicating*. to add a bit of perspective: while you can recreate the Louvre in LEGO, you can't duplicate it in LEGO. second: had they used his spark as an actual base instead of just as a reference then Protoform X would be a cowardly traitor not the psychopath that he is.
A minimum of 9 predecessors that reached protoform stage by my reckoning (and for all we know X may have escaped, and obliterated his creators, before the tests could be concluded)
The episode where Starcream told Unicron when trying to connect the cable "Do it yourself" had me chuckling so badly and no doubt was Starscream's trademark come back.
In Beast Wars the ghost seems to still act as though he is still a member of the Decepticon leadership, its entirely possible Galvatron was either repaired or killed or possibly became so desperate for soldiers that he cautiously welcomed Starscream back with a deal to restore his rank if he can produce indestructible sparks (which inspired the later Maximal tests) but the attempt was a failure and he was destroyed.
+MICOLE Better to be a clown than Galvatron's bitch, like Cyclonus. To be honest, I never understood why the decepticons were so loyal to either Megatron or Galvatron, when neither offered much.
Yes yes yeeeessss. Evil for evil sake ..he even beat megatron ..F the stunticons.. He turned the airelbots , dumb megatron sent them back in time to only to create prime . Killed then came back as a ghost..sterscream the god
I’ve never heard a Starscream except Cris Latta’s that does the character justice. Other people have done Prime, Soundwave, Megatron, Jazz and more and they do ok. Sadly Screamer doesn’t get that treatment. Animated was close enough for me to enjoy the show.
I seem to recall Starsceam stating in Beast Wars that he roamed to the end of time. Whether or not that's true, it's likely that his new body simply wore out from old age eventually and he was unable to create or find a permanent host body that suited him.
He lied stating that Unicron killed him, but then said that his spark wandered through space beyond the reaches of time itself. Of course, Black Arachnia called him out on his lie.
You forgot about Transformers: Animated - Starscream coming back from the dead over and over with his indestructible spark due to the allspark shard in his head is an homage to Ghost Starscream.
I always felt the lack of follow-up on Starscream's resurrection was one of the most annoying loose ends of G1. It would have been great to have gotten the chance to see him try to peel away some Decepticons from under Galvatron's erratic leadership.
the way I remember ghost in the machine, we never see the end of Galvatrons 'temper tantrum' against Starscream, so I like to believe he was given the poetic justice of it ending with his new body being blown to smithereens. (and I like to think that it was rather cathartic for Galvatron.)
It was the first time Galvatron used his weapon. So, it was full of Unicron's power. Whoever he shot with that first blast would have that same effect. No one else he shot disintegrated. All sparkly and shit. Like hitting that first part of the drank. Shit burns. Lol. That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it. And I believe it's also the best explanation. I said it here first. Don't take my shine. Just shout me out. Peace
The reason for replicating Starscream's spark could be that he was a high level scientist before the Cybertronian Wars. It said as much in the G1 episode introducing Skyfire. Since the Maximals were simply exploring space , that expertise would have been useful since he could have spearheaded any research efforts in hostile possible environments with an indestructible spark. The ironic thing is they found themselves dealing with both Starscream and his replica spark later on. I thought "Possession" would have fit better into season 2 or 3 of Beast Wars. Starscream's appearance could have really been used to drive the plot of the Beast Wars series for sure. Given how much G1 material and how many Beast Wars characters' behavior and personalities were partially inspired by Starscream, it definitely would have made sense.I thought this was one way Beast Wars maybe dropped thee ball when it could have been a much better series with only simple changes for the most part.
While I do not think Starscream knew he was indestructible, I am pretty sure Megatron knew. Some later versions of the G1 canon had the Seekers come from cloning Starscream. I think that either he was picked to be cloned because his abnormal spark allowed for mutations which both made the cloning easier and gave the powers the Seekers are known for (ie Skywarp's teleportation), or could be a result of being experimented on so much. Megatron had to keep him as close as possible and could not let him find out he was indestructible otherwise he would become a real threat. It is also possible Starscream may in some form be a mulltiversal singularity. While his different versions are not aware of each other, they are in effect the same spark. It could be the G1 comic versions interaction with the Underbase that caused this (though the effect itself rippled backwards to when his spark was born, and not just sideways through realities.) There is a bit of a bootstrap paradox there, as in order to get to the events where he interacted with the Underbase, he needed to have already been effected by it...hence why I say the effect rippled backwards. It is also possible Starscream did know he was indestructible; but he is both vain and a coward. Dying is painful and he loved his body. It is possible his knowledge of his unkillability was what caused him to change from the character who was friends with Skyfire into the narcissist and egomaniac he became. Being aware of his inability to be permanently destroyed would have made him vie for power and see himself as stronger and more worthy a leader than Megatron; but his vanity made actually following through an impossibility as he was far too in love with himself to risk even temporary destruction.
It just occurred to me that once the end of the universe draws near, when time itself begins to die and all the stars burn out, when even the concept of space is made null and void, Starscream will still remain, alone. The last lifeform in existence, the final remnant of a dead universe, unable to die with the rest of everything.
or maybe because the spark is so indestructible his spark was able to survive pretty much anything for instance time resetting itself which could possibly be the reason why he's shown up in Beast Wars
Maybe Depth-Charge had the right idea! Rampages spark was thought to be indestructible too. So wouldn’t it be safe to assume that if Galvatron or somebody else were to use raw energon Depth-Charge style, on Starscream (when he has an actual body still), would his spark finally be extinguished? Don’t knock it till you try it! Or does it only work on artificially mutated sparks?
I have no doubt he know's he used to be Megatron, But the corruption by Unicron changed him inside and out. Undergoing this transformation turned him into what is refered to in Beastwars as a "Unicron Spawn" I also have reason to Believe that Tarantulas was once Bombshell as he is referred to as Unicron Spawn
KydNotorious according to the wrecker comics bombshell became cyclonus that is still functioning at the time of Beast Wars but on Cybertron So bombshell cannot be tarantulas, but maybe he was kicked back or shrapnel
The last I checked star scream and all other decepticons and auto bots in the beginning of the transformers cartoon were destroyed until they where rebuilt by telatran some of the transformers had to get major body changes from their cybertron forms. It could be when starscream was rebooted and given his form telatran May had to alter his body form heavily and doing so would make a lot of mistakes. And that one mistake made starscream’s core indestructible
I remember having an argument with one of 1st grade friends in the 80's, asking "What if starscream became a spirit?" He said "Yeah, right! How could ROBOT become a spirit?!"
starscream's ghost is the result of a series of bad decisions made by executives and creatives who doesnt care for the lore and fiction but just wants to sell new toys does killing off fan favorite characters and then scrambling for ways to backpeddle because the new toys are not selling as well as the original characters did
It is simple, when Galvatron along with the Sweeps shot at Starscream at end of episode after Unicron gave him his body back when he had a body tumbling in space, he got shot 100 times (you can see he got hit a lot) and died again, hence timeline makes sense for Beast Wars (and everything). @3:52 of this video btw
I always believed that when Star Scream was killed in the movie. His spark mutated as his body began to disintegrate. And I honestly forgot about the episode “Ghost in the machine” being a thing.
I thought beast wars happened during the time when the transformers were still in stasis before the volcano erupted. Which dosnt explain how starscream is a ghost if he was on the ark with the others.
That's what I'm addressing. The present time during Beast Wars is 300 years after the Autobots defeated the Decepticons, but they time traveled to Earth back when the Ark had already crashed. The question is how did the Ghost of Starscream end up back there too?
Yeah, I know. My friend and myself talk about all the series' we can find, but mainly TFP, TFRiD 2015 and TFRescue Bots' timeline. They are all connected but we can't figure out the timeline yet.
We know, we wanted to figure out the exact time period though, How many years passed and how many did it take to rebuild Cybertron? Its just a fun thing for us to talk about and our best guess was five-eight years.
Lets clear up some misinformation here. This guy in the video said Megatron was reborn as Galvatron and he is WRONG. He just got a new body and a new name. Remember one has to die in order to be reborn. MEGATRON NEVER DIED!🤓
One answer comes to mind on how his spark was mutated, unicrons dark power, as shown he was able to revive, repair and reform the deceptions that where at deaths door without trouble, what if that raw energy was still going through galvertron when he blasted starscream, that would account for him being able to come back as a ghost, and when his body was restored by unicron his dark energy would have mixed with his ghost spark and the energy that was already inside it, mutating it into the indestructible spark we know of, think of it like TF Prime unicrons dark energon blood that can revive the dead as either minions or mindless zombies. Hope that got some gears going and helped a bit.
transfactory im probably gonna get a lot of hate for this but... I kinda like the beast within...not a transformer story....but as a beast story.....look at it as a creature feature/beast story and not a transformer story...or it's just me....don't yell at me.....im just stating my opinion
Beast Wars isn't a good continuation of the original Transformers because of the inconsistencies in the show. This is mainly due to the original comics references thrown in (covainent of primus, ect). Beast Wars was meant to take place after G2 comics, NOT the original show. 🤓
I don't think the writers of Beast Wars knew the differences initially and called back on major plot points to both the comics and the cartoon. Ben Yee did what he could to present them to G1 as a whole. Things like Covenant of Primus and the G2 looking head for Megatron in Agenda part 2 were clearly comic references but Teletraan 1 and Starscream's Ghost were cartoon references. I feel that Beast Wars can be a sequel to both.
Rodimus Primal: I respect your gymnastical narration to explain away the fact that the Transformers teams of writers were obviously sequestered from one another (or didn't respect Transformers enough to adopt and stick to a cannon story). The reason why these videos are necessary to attempt to explain this all away is because the writers never envisioned the internet in the 80's, or counted on a following (or cared enough) that would notice the plot holes. I will tell you that growing up in my early teens during the 80's and 90's, this was frustrating.
I always thought Beast Wars timeline took place during the time when the Transformers first landed on earth and were all in stacus. That would explain when Megatron found Megatron and took his spark, and Starscream's ghost traveled back in time at some point when he was dead.
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When a Cybertonian dies his/her spark goes back to AllSpark/Primus "so it may grow, learn, and evolve". Starscream's treachery is so great that not even his god wants him back. "Heaven doesn't want me and Hell's afraid I'll take over."
But Beast Wars is canon to G1 (as shown here with Possession), so we know sparks existed in G1. The writers didn't at the time, which led to those plot holes.
@@OptimusPhillip G1 being canon to Beast Wars doesn't mean Beast Wars is canon to G1. See also: Headmasters. In any case... there's no reason to feel sure that Beast Wars transformers physiology is the same as G1 transformers. In fact there's pretty good reasons to believe they're different.
@@Threeleggedyoyo in Beast Wars, both G1 Megatron and Optimus Prime are shown to have Sparks which were used to give BW Megatron and Primal their transmetal 2 forms.
Lol
So he's DC's Lobo then?
Starscream's soul has Plot Armor.
CAPSLOCK!!!!
Breakdown: HOW ARE YOU ALIVE??
Shockwave: It's called PLOT ARMOUR.
@Cereal Eather his spark as plot armor not his body
Proofevidence of miracles. 😉🎩🥋
Let's hope he doesn't loose it to Miko, like the Apex armore. Last thing we need is screech metal music in all transformers series.
Starscream was a scientist before he joined megaton. So he probably did experiments on other transformers try to make a immortal spark.
I like that theory. I think it happened and he didn't realize it until after the fact.
Brandon's KTS Toys Review He was most likely unaware he succeeded until he was vaporized by Galvatron.
But Starscream is a impatient dumbass XD
That makes sense, because he was friends with Skyfire/Jetfire who was also a scientist before the war
Yeah Starscream lost some gears in his head
Great characters never die, they just get rebooted.
BrotherApexx Or in some cases, reformatted.
or revived
Or reincarnated.
Or return...
Or replaced by himself from a diferent universe or timeline
"Starscream's cookies are more than meets the icing!"
"You're wrong Starscream!"
"I'm always wrong!"
3:45 *Team Starscream's blasting off again!*
😂😂😂
#starcreems filled with dermination to live and not die?...sound right
YOU FOOL
To be honest, Sense he was vaporized by Galvatron might be the reason. Let me explain; Sense Galavtron *only* killed Starscream in the movie, through the chest for that matter, might have "upgraded/mutated" his spark. Because of the shear amount of power/radiation might have overloaded his spark, causing a HUGE influx of power, disintegrating his body.
Basically: Galavtrons shot mutated Starscreams spark.
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Zane’s of course 😅
Considering how much of that was Unicron's power flowing through Galvatron. Plus, I recall newly minted Optimus in War Dawn shrugging off a full point blank power blast from Megatron, so maybe those initial moments after creation give a Transformer (or at least an already powerful one) a temporary hyper-boost nonpareil, and Starscream unwittingly benefitted from this.
Galvatron: I did - WHAAAATTT!!!???
Starscream cookies are more than meets the icing!
You’re wrong, Starscream!
IM always wrong
Stars cream just get some help - prime
Star scream
You scream, I scream. We all can scream like Starscream! LOL
How did his spark become indestructible?
Easy.
The power is called Fan-Armor.
I thought it was from drinking too much energon
it was bologna to fuel sells
I actually have an idea that maybe it was actually Galvatron who made him immortal. It's been demonstrated in later stories that Unicron's energies are capable of reanimating the dead, and Starscream was blasted right in the chest with the stuff. Maybe his spark absorbed some of the energy and he became immortal that way.
No, no, none of it is right or true. In the canon story as I remember, Starscream used to be a prestigious scientist on Cybertron before deciding being a warrior and then a Decepticon before the Cybertron Civil War. On one of his experiments, he made a miscalculation which caused a laboratory accident. In that accident, his Spark was mutated and made indestructible, but the fact of his immortality would only surface after his body was destroyed by Galvatron.
I figured it was he ate too many cookies. :P
I think this one can be fairly simple if you look at it a certain way :)
In Beast Wars, Starscream says that his death threw him "beyond the reach of time itself". Now, this can mean a few things, but I've got one interpretation that fits really nicely.
In a lot of science fiction stories, time is something that only affects mortals and the living. Beings on a higher plane can move through time in the same way that we move through space. Check out the short story "The Egg" for an example of this plot device.
Beast Wars establishes that Starscream has a mutant spark that can stay in the physical world after death. After Starscream died, he was able to view time from the "outside". He saw the events preceding and following his death, so that's how he knew Galvatron's name and who Unicron was.
So why enter the Beast Wars? Well, that's simple! We see Starscream attempt to take out the Predacons and Maximals. His plan was to commandeer the advanced Maximal/Predacon technologies, like transwarp, then spend the next 4 million years taking over Earth and stockpiling energon before G1 even began! Keep in mind, Starscream knows how the beast wars play out, so he's aware of how to use the golden disk. Even if Starscream doesn't follow BW Megatron's plan, it's still the perfect time to dethrone a comatose Megatron AND get his body back.
I actually went and read The Egg, and it's honestly one of the most fascinating stories I've read.
that is...actually pretty clever! wonder if there has ever been anything like that happening in the stories
Starscream knew who galvatron was in the old series
That's a very logical and awesome theory.
@babysinclairfan: Awesome!
That seems like a great explanation! I'm sold. I was so excited he made his appearance along with Ravage. My two fave Decepticons next to Rumble! I often wondered what would happen given access to Transmetal tech, and use a seekers body instead of his own because it could alter time or create a paradox. History would have to unfold the same way until that timeline..? Great Scott, Marty!
It's always been my understanding that Starscream is the only transformer to feel the full power of Galvatron. Starscream spark was mutated by Galvatron's full power blast, also having a small portion of Unicrons dark energon as a power source. Which if you remember eventually drove Galvatron mad in both the original series, and in the Prime series. Going so far as to completely lose control of his own body.
There's an interesting thought. The only other thing that felt the full fury of a super powered blast by Galvatron is the planet Thrull. So that coupled with Starscream's never ending desire to lead the Decepticons could have been the catalyst.
RodimusPrimal I think that Starscreams personal desires have less to do with it. I would place more blame on the dark energon as it's nature is unpredictable at best. More or less I believe that Starscreams indestructible spark is an unintended side effect of the dark energon blast that vaporized his body. His spark being a positively charged energy bundle was forced into negativity charged particals instead of annihilating the two energies, something new was created. Similar to what happens in a partical collider.
Starscream's ghost has always been a fun topic, another reason why he is my favorite Decepticon
Not to mention the late Chris Laettner with a professional comedian up to that point in time his life he had never done any voice acting what so ever how ironic
He's also very dynamic in the comics, going on to rule Cybertron after the war is over as an elected official. He is a naturally gifted politician. Who's have thought
I think he traveled back in time to destroy megatron so that he never dies.Thats why he's in the beast wars era
And even become the leader
Shanoo27 Could be. Beast Wars is a HORRIBLE continuation after all.
Nah man BW is a show that tied a lot of things plus we still use the terms like spark, stasis and more. So IMO it is not a horrible continuation for me at least. But you can think otherwise.
Dank Starscream G1 is not a good continuation imo
BW tried to make a sequel on a not so accurate continuity so I gave them a lot of credit
We need the ghost busters to get starscream
LOL!
Or maybe the spark busters
Best 80s crossover. Actually wanted that to happen as a kid.
That's the greatest 80s crossover I never knew I needed
Well now they can with the ectotron look it up and ull see what i mean
As Starscream floats through space you see Galvatron shoot him. Then all the present Deceptions chase after Starscream, Galvatron clearly intending to kill him. The reason we never see Starscream in G1 after that is because Galvatron most likely did kill him a second time. Starscream came back only to die minutes after his resurrection. Ironic, just like most of Starscream's other failures.
Starscream cannot stay dead
Like Jesus. (sorry Easter approaching and no religous education)
Beast Wars takes place after a version of the G1 Marvel comics where the Movie happened.
Starscream stayed dead since Unicrons head didn't revive him
@CyberNinjaZero: I'm fascinated by your explanation. Would you elaborate? I didn't retain as much knowledge of Marvel's history. . are you suggesting he didn't take the power from the "Underbase" or he DID? Just the movie took place at which point? I'm curious, and like your take..
@@chrisedwards3214You could consider him a legend. Legends never die.
How did Starscream's spark become immortal?
Easy!
Starscream simply isn't allowed to die.
He is too angry to die
I always thought it was because he's too stubborn to die. That and Primus doesn't want his spark back.
I like the idea that Starscream literally just floated into a star and the started screaming as he got closer. He's heading towards a *star* while *screaming*
I'll see myself out.
For the behind the scenes reason, Starscream's ghost is just a cool concept that Transformers writers love to revisit!
Many Japanese G1 comics have brought the ghost of Starscream back.
In Transformers Energon, Starscream is revived with an incomplete body, allowing him to take on a ghostly form.
In Cybertron, Starscream is "killed" and winds up trapped in an alternate dimension. He is still able to communicate with Galvatron in a spectral form.
In Animated, Starscream is revived and given immortality by the Allspark. Both he and the cast think that he's a ghost until they eventually catch on to the truth.
Technically it was Bonecrushers idea to discard all damaged Decepticons.
Alexpander true. Starscream kind of gave the notion too "that we lighten our burden."
Alexpander Naaaye😂😂😂
Speaking of the animated movie, do you think that you could provide clarity on the Matrix of Leadership, its limits, how it happens to have existed inside of Optimus throughout seasons one and two, and its relation to the Baytrix of Leadership?
RodimusPrimal you know if Megatron was still function ,I bet he would have tell the coneheads, blitzing and soundwave to fly on the side of astrotrain so that he still have chance to repair his troop back on cybertron
Alexpander you know why because Bonecrusher hates Everything
I have to admit that I just assumed that starscream was a transdementional and out of phase with tine being akin to primus and unicron. Then I just attributed it to bad story telling and communication between the groups involved in making transformers. I love watching your videos as I have been watching TF since it aired on the Bozo Show in '84. Keep up the vids Rodimus. Till all are one!
Couldn't Starscream have possessed Galvatron ?
Ultra SoundWave that has happen in CynixBox parodies type in CynixBox and you will see but I will warn it's a bit wrong
Bunnyboy King that's a parody u know it's not canon but the parodies do tell a story
Galavatron was insane in g1,
I would suspect possession would be a game of wills. Therefore Starscream may only be able to possess people who had weaker willpower than he did. Galvatron would be too strong for him to control - as it was he could only maintain partial control on scourge.
Sunstar's Seeker Sanctuary
You mean like how the Jedi mind trick can only work on certain characters?
These Transformer vids are killer. Thanks for putting them up! Great memories from a great show and toy line.
Thanks. I put a lot of time into them and I'm currently working on one now.
He talks too slowly for me
Treachery and backstabbing are "good traits" of a strong Decepticon. All the back and forth, threatening, and trying to kill each other, that's what "best friends" looks like for Decepticons.
The beast wars episode take place right after the 1986 movie, his "fresh" memory of that event implies that. He traveled back in time, then forward after the events in the episode.
I just realized if Starscream, in Beast Wars, could have gotten to the Ark he might of been able to get his body and, revive the Decepticons early. Of course Beast Wars would have ended early due to the Maximals getting decimated but, it is still interesting. lol
I don't think Starscream was fully aware that he was ON Earth to begin with, much like the Maximals and Predacons didn't.
Thank goodness, other wise, I feel, we would see a similar scene to that of Ironhide, Prowl, Ratchet and, Brawn during the Transformers movie. I wouldn't be able to handle it. lol
You wouldn't be able to "deal with that now". Huh? Huh?!? Okay I'll see myself out.
Keenan Soundwave comic and story wise, Brawn didn't really die. However poorly scripted season 3 could never include previous autobot and deceptions since retail sales were down on them.
walkers198 was that a joke?
I figured that there's some Unicron energy in Galvatron's barrel. If Unicron can alter a body, why couldn't it alter a spark? It was the first bot Galvatron had fired upon. Unicron left one in the chamber.
How about this? Starscream's spark was unremarkable until he was killed by a full-power blast from a being recently recreated by Unicron himself. This also coincided with his execution at a time of ultimate triumph turned literally to ashes. Pain, grief, anger, pride plus the noted in-video desire to not die combined with these primal energies to make his imprint eternal.
"Jettison some weight even though were in weightless outerspace and inertia should carry us forward until gravity of a large object slows us down but jettison some "weight" anyway to advance the toyline i mean storyline."
Or he made a deal with Starscream and demanded his burden be lightened to give Starscream the opportunity to dump his disabled leader into space. He did, after all, put the crown on his head during his coronation. Also, watch the episode "Triple Takeover".
Laurent Écrivain
That's most likely the real reason in universe. Astro Train was in on it and gave him an opening to off Old Megatron.
It takes more fuel to slow down with greater mass though, no? Dude's still gotta land and avoid burning up on re-entry.
I always thought that Galvatrons 1st shot was imbued with the power of Unicron and had the unforeseen effect of phasing Starscream into a realm between universes.
KydNotorious wow. Great minds think alike. I always thought that.
Megatron : *in bed then looks at the corner of his room *
Starscream's ghost : IM BACK B*CH
9:25 The collective will of thousands of fangirls
I always assumed that Starscream died a second time at the end of the episode "Ghost in the Machine". We see Starscream tumble through space and passes by Galvatron. Galvatron starts shooting at Starscream wildly and hits him a few times. Starscream clearly has smoke spewing from his body. This smoke means he is damaged. So I believe Starscream floated around space injured and died a second time. His spark than leaves his body and tumbles through time and space, eventually ending up in Beast Wars.
I agree with this theory.
You're correct.The 2nd death was in the body that Unicron restored for the 3 labors in "Ghost In The Machine". The spark either tumbled, or Starscream purposely found his way into transwarp space.
That is a G1 to Beast Wars plot hole, though. It was likely expected to be completely overlooked by viewers in the target age range and that was the case mostly. It is a hole because it doesn't explain in Beast Wars how the Maximals could attempt to replicate Starscream's spark if it was floating around in space until possessing Waspinator. I mean one would think in order to replicate a spark, it would require holding the original spark? .This likely means the Maximals secured Starscream's actual spark at some point , and either just before or just after the replication he/it escaped.
Chris J your theory does make complete sense . I agree
@Turismo Smoke: you are thinking *duplicating*.
to add a bit of perspective: while you can recreate the Louvre in LEGO, you can't duplicate it in LEGO.
second: had they used his spark as an actual base instead of just as a reference then Protoform X would be a cowardly traitor not the psychopath that he is.
A minimum of 9 predecessors that reached protoform stage by my reckoning (and for all we know X may have escaped, and obliterated his creators, before the tests could be concluded)
Perhaps his Spark was simply born that way with sheer luck.
The episode where Starcream told Unicron when trying to connect the cable "Do it yourself" had me chuckling so badly and no doubt was Starscream's trademark come back.
In Beast Wars the ghost seems to still act as though he is still a member of the Decepticon leadership, its entirely possible Galvatron was either repaired or killed or possibly became so desperate for soldiers that he cautiously welcomed Starscream back with a deal to restore his rank if he can produce indestructible sparks (which inspired the later Maximal tests) but the attempt was a failure and he was destroyed.
Interesting theory. It would give reason for the tests in addition to what happened to Starscream after the fact.
Great "article" again here bro. There are soooo many possibilities for STARSCREAM's ghost and I think you hit all of them. Keep these coming!!
I've got a bunch in the works. My current project is taking a LOT longer than it should.
Star Scream was a and always will be a god. Greatest Decepticon of all time
aneurysms3535 star scream is a clown.
+MICOLE
Better to be a clown than Galvatron's bitch, like Cyclonus. To be honest, I never understood why the decepticons were so loyal to either Megatron or Galvatron, when neither offered much.
aneurysms3535 my favority character
Yes yes yeeeessss. Evil for evil sake ..he even beat megatron ..F the stunticons.. He turned the airelbots , dumb megatron sent them back in time to only to create prime . Killed then came back as a ghost..sterscream the god
aneurysms3535 I agree there best transformer
I’ve never heard a Starscream except Cris Latta’s that does the character justice. Other people have done Prime, Soundwave, Megatron, Jazz and more and they do ok. Sadly Screamer doesn’t get that treatment. Animated was close enough for me to enjoy the show.
I love the cookie reference
Thanks Rodimus Primal
WHERE DID THIS JOKE COME FROM
Sounded like the nostalgia critic
I love how you reacted to Kiss Players. LOL XD
That's how EVERYONE should react to Kiss Players. Not acknowledging its existence is also acceptable.
I seem to recall Starsceam stating in Beast Wars that he roamed to the end of time. Whether or not that's true, it's likely that his new body simply wore out from old age eventually and he was unable to create or find a permanent host body that suited him.
He lied stating that Unicron killed him, but then said that his spark wandered through space beyond the reaches of time itself. Of course, Black Arachnia called him out on his lie.
Fall Out Boy: We could be Immortals.
Starscream: This fleshling spittin'.
You forgot about Transformers: Animated - Starscream coming back from the dead over and over with his indestructible spark due to the allspark shard in his head is an homage to Ghost Starscream.
ultramaximus that was deliberate. He was for all intents and purposes alive because of the All Spark shard and not a ghost...
And his undying spirit.
DiamondBolt reference.
I always felt the lack of follow-up on Starscream's resurrection was one of the most annoying loose ends of G1. It would have been great to have gotten the chance to see him try to peel away some Decepticons from under Galvatron's erratic leadership.
It was just a quick cameo appearance. Basically a homage to a great character but he was t going to continue in the story line.
I once thought Unicron was incredibly intelligent...until he believed Starscream would keep his words. 🤣
I always did want that translucent starscream
Let’s take a moment to appreciate how pimp starscream looked at his coronation.
the way I remember ghost in the machine, we never see the end of Galvatrons 'temper tantrum' against Starscream, so I like to believe he was given the poetic justice of it ending with his new body being blown to smithereens. (and I like to think that it was rather cathartic for Galvatron.)
I love when he's so amused by his own plotting while possessing Cyclonus that he laughs to himself. Nothing too special, I just find it amusing.
Starscream is the best and funniest
I appreciate a good script reading that pronounces things right. Here's a thumbs up.
It was the first time Galvatron used his weapon. So, it was full of Unicron's power. Whoever he shot with that first blast would have that same effect. No one else he shot disintegrated. All sparkly and shit. Like hitting that first part of the drank. Shit burns. Lol. That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it. And I believe it's also the best explanation. I said it here first. Don't take my shine. Just shout me out. Peace
Technically the first time Galvatron used his cannon was as a boost to board his ship 😉
The reason for replicating Starscream's spark could be that he was a high level scientist before the Cybertronian Wars. It said as much in the G1 episode introducing Skyfire.
Since the Maximals were simply exploring space , that expertise would have been useful since he could have spearheaded any research efforts in hostile possible environments with an indestructible spark. The ironic thing is they found themselves dealing with both Starscream and his replica spark later on.
I thought "Possession" would have fit better into season 2 or 3 of Beast Wars. Starscream's appearance could have really been used to drive the plot of the Beast Wars series for sure. Given how much G1 material and how many Beast Wars characters' behavior and personalities were partially inspired by Starscream, it definitely would have made sense.I thought this was one way Beast Wars maybe dropped thee ball when it could have been a much better series with only simple changes for the most part.
Mr. Galvatron, I don't feel so good...
While I do not think Starscream knew he was indestructible, I am pretty sure Megatron knew.
Some later versions of the G1 canon had the Seekers come from cloning Starscream. I think that either he was picked to be cloned because his abnormal spark allowed for mutations which both made the cloning easier and gave the powers the Seekers are known for (ie Skywarp's teleportation), or could be a result of being experimented on so much. Megatron had to keep him as close as possible and could not let him find out he was indestructible otherwise he would become a real threat.
It is also possible Starscream may in some form be a mulltiversal singularity. While his different versions are not aware of each other, they are in effect the same spark. It could be the G1 comic versions interaction with the Underbase that caused this (though the effect itself rippled backwards to when his spark was born, and not just sideways through realities.) There is a bit of a bootstrap paradox there, as in order to get to the events where he interacted with the Underbase, he needed to have already been effected by it...hence why I say the effect rippled backwards.
It is also possible Starscream did know he was indestructible; but he is both vain and a coward. Dying is painful and he loved his body. It is possible his knowledge of his unkillability was what caused him to change from the character who was friends with Skyfire into the narcissist and egomaniac he became. Being aware of his inability to be permanently destroyed would have made him vie for power and see himself as stronger and more worthy a leader than Megatron; but his vanity made actually following through an impossibility as he was far too in love with himself to risk even temporary destruction.
I'd like to agree with the undying will to live theory. G1 up to Prime/RiD proves Starscream's tenacity. On a side note, #makecybertrongreatagain XD
It just occurred to me that once the end of the universe draws near, when time itself begins to die and all the stars burn out, when even the concept of space is made null and void, Starscream will still remain, alone. The last lifeform in existence, the final remnant of a dead universe, unable to die with the rest of everything.
The real question is: HOW THE HELL DID THEY EVEN FIT IN ASTROTRAIN IN THE FIRST PLACE?
It's a good question fans have been asking for years. I'll have to discuss it in another video.
And how could Devastator even fit without any of them asking questions?
RodimusPrimal more realer question Why did cybertron/primus change in size and design in g1 transformers
i think the question is how it was possible that astrotrain couldn't carrier all of then in space
Because.. mass-shifting is a thing.
Oh Starscream!
Even dead can't get rid of you
or maybe because the spark is so indestructible his spark was able to survive pretty much anything for instance time resetting itself which could possibly be the reason why he's shown up in Beast Wars
Maybe Depth-Charge had the right idea! Rampages spark was thought to be indestructible too. So wouldn’t it be safe to assume that if Galvatron or somebody else were to use raw energon Depth-Charge style, on Starscream (when he has an actual body still), would his spark finally be extinguished? Don’t knock it till you try it!
Or does it only work on artificially mutated sparks?
Rodimus primal you need to make a video on if galvatron knew he was megatron.
Certainly a topic I can add to my list!
Cesar Miranda why do you need a video on that? He clearly indicates that he knew during his battle with hot rod
I have no doubt he know's he used to be Megatron, But the corruption by Unicron changed him inside and out. Undergoing this transformation turned him into what is refered to in Beastwars as a "Unicron Spawn" I also have reason to Believe that Tarantulas was once Bombshell as he is referred to as Unicron Spawn
KydNotorious according to the wrecker comics bombshell became cyclonus that is still functioning at the time of Beast Wars but on Cybertron
So bombshell cannot be tarantulas, but maybe he was kicked back or shrapnel
+Dave Diaz or Insecticon clone
The last I checked star scream and all other decepticons and auto bots in the beginning of the transformers cartoon were destroyed until they where rebuilt by telatran some of the transformers had to get major body changes from their cybertron forms. It could be when starscream was rebooted and given his form telatran May had to alter his body form heavily and doing so would make a lot of mistakes. And that one mistake made starscream’s core indestructible
Why do I think that we need the ghostbusters??
I remember having an argument with one of 1st grade friends in the 80's, asking "What if starscream became a spirit?" He said "Yeah, right! How could ROBOT become a spirit?!"
For some reason 7:49 made me laugh.😂
There are a few video compilations still around of the times Megatron beat Starscream. Always good for a laugh.
starscream's ghost is the result of a series of bad decisions made by executives and creatives who doesnt care for the lore and fiction but just wants to sell new toys does killing off fan favorite characters and then scrambling for ways to backpeddle because the new toys are not selling as well as the original characters did
Oh my god, so that's the name of the comic where 'little miss Starscream 'happens...
"Starscream cookies"
Get on it Hasbro transformers food products, get to it!!!
2:45 It’s nice to have a body again! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
An interesting discussion if there's enough material for it would be a talk on what happens or is going on with Earth in the Beast Wars timeline.
0:55 GIVE ME COOKIES!!!!!!😀😀😀😀
It is simple, when Galvatron along with the Sweeps shot at Starscream at end of episode after Unicron gave him his body back when he had a body tumbling in space, he got shot 100 times (you can see he got hit a lot) and died again, hence timeline makes sense for Beast Wars (and everything). @3:52 of this video btw
It was Galvatron, Cyclonus, Divebomb, and a Sweep, who shot at Starscream.
I love Starscream
I always believed that when Star Scream was killed in the movie. His spark mutated as his body began to disintegrate. And I honestly forgot about the episode “Ghost in the machine” being a thing.
Starscream will ALWAYS find some way to return from the dead; after all...What GHOST around, comes around! *rimshot*
God i love these videos! Great Nostalgia Critic reference!
I love you're videos
starscream was a scientist before the war for cybertron and could have possibly experimented on himself mentioned in g1 fire in the sky
I thought beast wars happened during the time when the transformers were still in stasis before the volcano erupted. Which dosnt explain how starscream is a ghost if he was on the ark with the others.
That's what I'm addressing. The present time during Beast Wars is 300 years after the Autobots defeated the Decepticons, but they time traveled to Earth back when the Ark had already crashed. The question is how did the Ghost of Starscream end up back there too?
4:38
Only reason why I know this is from the
“Starscream v.s. A fking pony” episode of death battle
Why doesn't starscream just possess megatron?
his spark became industructable after the first time megatron blasted him and his spark accidently mutated without hom knowing
Why did you have to say those two words... Kiss
Players. That's almost as triggering as TFRiD 2015, TFArmada, TFEnergon and TFCyberton
LOL! Unfortunately, if it's part of the franchise I probably will talk about it.
Yeah, I know.
My friend and myself talk about all the series' we can find, but mainly TFP, TFRiD 2015 and TFRescue Bots' timeline. They are all connected but we can't figure out the timeline yet.
Seasons 1-3 of Rescue Bots take place during Transformers Prime. Season 4 takes place during Season 1 of RiD2015.
We know, we wanted to figure out the exact time period though, How many years passed and how many did it take to rebuild Cybertron? Its just a fun thing for us to talk about and our best guess was five-eight years.
Are you tired of eating old, bland, unfrosted cookies?
Too bad, you're not gettin' any of Starscream's cookies.
lol
Lets clear up some misinformation here. This guy in the video said Megatron was reborn as Galvatron and he is WRONG. He just got a new body and a new name. Remember one has to die in order to be reborn. MEGATRON NEVER DIED!🤓
Autopia Alana Lewis yeah he was just reprogrammed by Unicron.
Which interfered with his original software and made him unstable.
Megs old form died
One answer comes to mind on how his spark was mutated, unicrons dark power, as shown he was able to revive, repair and reform the deceptions that where at deaths door without trouble, what if that raw energy was still going through galvertron when he blasted starscream, that would account for him being able to come back as a ghost, and when his body was restored by unicron his dark energy would have mixed with his ghost spark and the energy that was already inside it, mutating it into the indestructible spark we know of, think of it like TF Prime unicrons dark energon blood that can revive the dead as either minions or mindless zombies.
Hope that got some gears going and helped a bit.
That was going through my head as well when I made the video! Great minds think alike!
when are you doing why are there female transformers
The script is in the works.
RodimusPrimal ok.
D Gray Yes yes 👍
D Gray Shockwave says in an episode
But I thought they were extinct
Aaron Cherry did you just assume that transformer's gender
Soundwave: megatron went to the market
Starscream: I’M THE NEW LEADER OF THE DESAPTICONS
I googled Transformers Kiss Players and I regret it :(
Why did you do that?
don't google the beast within
transfactory im probably gonna get a lot of hate for this but... I kinda like the beast within...not a transformer story....but as a beast story.....look at it as a creature feature/beast story and not a transformer story...or it's just me....don't yell at me.....im just stating my opinion
Great stuff as always Radimus.
Beast Wars isn't a good continuation of the original Transformers because of the inconsistencies in the show. This is mainly due to the original comics references thrown in (covainent of primus, ect). Beast Wars was meant to take place after G2 comics, NOT the original show. 🤓
I don't think the writers of Beast Wars knew the differences initially and called back on major plot points to both the comics and the cartoon. Ben Yee did what he could to present them to G1 as a whole. Things like Covenant of Primus and the G2 looking head for Megatron in Agenda part 2 were clearly comic references but Teletraan 1 and Starscream's Ghost were cartoon references. I feel that Beast Wars can be a sequel to both.
Now the Ghostbusters have to deal with Starscream's ghost in the Transformers/Ghostbusters crossover comic.
Honestly I love the idea that he’s just a ghost, no explanation needed beyond “I guess ghosts exist in this universe”
Yo, son! I love this channel keep up the good work.
Thanks! I've got more to come!
Rodimus Primal: I respect your gymnastical narration to explain away the fact that the Transformers teams of writers were obviously sequestered from one another (or didn't respect Transformers enough to adopt and stick to a cannon story). The reason why these videos are necessary to attempt to explain this all away is because the writers never envisioned the internet in the 80's, or counted on a following (or cared enough) that would notice the plot holes. I will tell you that growing up in my early teens during the 80's and 90's, this was frustrating.
It's one of the weirdest thing that ever happened in g1 in my opinion but I want to see more starscream ghost plot in the future
I’m surprised that starscream’s ghost isn’t used more currently. It’s just so interesting.
I always thought Beast Wars timeline took place during the time when the Transformers first landed on earth and were all in stacus. That would explain when Megatron found Megatron and took his spark, and Starscream's ghost traveled back in time at some point when he was dead.