And then he should have said "Fine, i'll let you strike me down so you can stop crying about it." Before standing still. Then Vader would have said "Well now it's no fun..." and Obi Wan would have lived.
That would make him kill palpatine and then he'll say who's the master now obi wan? Then they successfully defeated palpatine without actually killing him directly and they can just team up on vader next
@@madness3x8 man thank you very much I'm not kidding!!! I tried looking it up and that's not the answer I got but that makes total sense now. Thank you for taking the time to answer and happy New year
In the legends, the Death Star was on a slight axis allowing vader to be standing slightly above ben. Ben, naturally, realized vader had the high ground and let vader strike him down, purely out of respect for the high ground.
Height of individual does not = high ground. High ground = elevated ground. Obi Wan let Vader win to troll him as if to say you will always be a noob I never died and I am much more powerful literally immortal and live in a "higher" 😉 plane.
@@papapapa2856 LOL that's like arguing on a flat surface of earth you are "above" someone else because of the earth's slight axis....that's not how it works.
@@Wi-Fi-El Imagine Obi Wan force ghost deepthroating Vader and Palpatine walks like WTF!!! Or he is on the halogram and he humiliates Vader when he is giving annoucements and the officers start laughing at him.
I recently watched fictional fight commentary of their fight on the auralnauts youtube channel and the one kept talking about how anakin's overconfidence allowed obi-wan to lead him from spot to spot until an opening presented itself. Even though it was a comical bit the points made were actually good. Anakin was reckless and overconfident in his abilities and ow just played defense and waited.
Darth Vader ayeeee didn’t expect to hear about Scotty on a Star Wars channel. Nothing better than listening to this in a Toyota waving your arms non stop while talking lol
Bro stop that. This guy is TEN TIMES MORE WORTH LISTENING TO THAN FUCKING STUPDENDOUS WAVE! Jesus Christ THAT GUY, LITERALLY says the same thing over and over but reworded. This channel is sooooooo worth following. Never ceases to amaze me when it comes to lore. ❤
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It really is an amazing moment. Vader walks away thinking he won, and in his narrow view he did, but obi-wan accomplished every goal he had on the death star and beyond. The jedi had changed and the sith didn't see it coming.
Delta 23 I'm with you. Never liked it. Even though it technically was pre-Disney, all of the events during the show weren't acknowledged during Episode 3, and NEVER COULD HAVE HAPPENED during the Episode 2-3 gap.
I could have always defeated Anakin in Episode IV. We are shown many times that age does not hinder a Force user's fighting ability (as seen with both Count Dooku and Yoda) and I never became weaker on Tatooine as a Jedi's power flows form the Force and you don't need conflict to increase your Force ability. Inner peace, meditation, and morality is all you need and those things are easier to find in a peaceful seclusion vs a time of conflict so my time on Tatooine only helped in this regard. Let's also not forget that Yoda was also in exile and he was still a being fully in tuned with the Force. If Yoda could do this that so could I. I deliberately lost to Vader to teach Luke a lesson, the lesson about not fearing death and overcoming loss. Luke the true evil Vader represented and that in death we often become closer to the Force than we ever were before, that death is nothing to fear and one should not be attached to this life. And perhaps most importantly, it was never my job to kill Vader. That was always Luke's destiny as he was Vader's son and represented the next generation of Jedi. It could only be Luke that both corrected both the mistakes of his father and ushered in a new era of the Jedi that learned from their defeat at the hands of the Sith. Luke would learn form the mistakes of the path to forge a brighter future. It had to him who defeated the Sith to let the Jedi rise once again.
"If you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine!" . . . Way to go Vader! Obi Wan has the high ground for eternity now! Lol
I like the interpretation that vader nerfed himself at mustafar by going completely into the dark side and so not utilizing his light side connection. His connection to the dark side was new and weak and that's how obi wan won
I love the way you word things. Even when you repeat things you do it in a satisfying way or changing it and adding necessary info. The ending was also hilarious 😂
Vader could not know during the second duel that the most powerful Sith of them all, Darth Lucas, was capable of time travel and could harness the relatively new force powers of CGI to rewrite Vader’s backstory and make him seem more badass on Mustafar than on the Death Star.
It's a great in universe explanation to make up for what was actually technical limitations in our universe. The props used for lightsabers in ANH were extremely fragile and prone to breaking when attempting to film duels. This led to them using a more defensive and slower style of combat
How much time elapsed between Obi Wan's final duel with Darth Maul on Tatoine and his final duel with Vader in A New Hope? Also, what was Darth Maul's birth name, and why was he still going by Darth after loosing the Sith apprenticeship? And what did Maul think about Vader and vice versa?
I noticed as vader got older he’s not as impulsive but he’s more calm in a coldly calculating way which is what I assumed he worked on to improve himself in the dark side and as a force user and just to become more powerful I assume he purposely meditated to improve on that and it does make a big difference on him succeeding in his fights and missions and that explains how he’s now successful all the time but before would fail because he would just do things without thinking them through
In a way, Vader lost to Obi Wan the second time, too. He never actually got the killing blow. Obi Wan vanished into the force, forever denying Vader his desired vengeance. That, and there weren't any clear signs of Vader having an advantage, with the way they were both fighting with such reservation. I think that denial of vengeance alone defeated Vader.
They fought 3 times since skyealkers fall.. mustafar … kenobi beat him…. And the obiwan series they fought and skywalkers lost again….. the 3rd time on the Death Star it was a draw and obiwan let Vader stick him down .. literally lol
With all the grief Darth Maul gave Sidious & Vader over the years, remember how quickly Kenobi took Maul down when he decided to do what was necessary. In stead of waiting Maul out, Kenobi manipulated Maul into using the same attack used to kill Qui Gonn Jinn. In the Episode 4 fight, all Kenobi had to do was distract and delay Vader, which Kenobi did, then resolutely stepped into the Force to guide Luke when Luke needed it the most.
This is great explanation and analysis. Vader had decades to learn his mistakes. He learned his skills from the begining basically. It made him even more powerful and dangerous because of his cybernetics. He gained experience and calmness. Wisdom comes with years. Vader didnt look scared. He was totally in control. And the redemption and prophecy fulfilling had begun. Nice final strike pun.
Form 2 (Makashi)> Form 1 (Shii-Cho), 3 (Soresu) and 4 (Ataru)... Form 3 > Form 4, form 5 (Djem So and Shien) and form 7 (Juyo but not necessarily vaapad)... Form 5 > Form 2. So from that, you have the PARTIAL reasoning for why Dooku managed to defeat Obi-Wan in episode 3, the defeat of Dooku by Anakin in episode 3 and the defeat of Anakin at Obi Wan's hands in episode 3. Also, you have the indirect reasoning for why Dooku was able to put up significant resistance against Yoda in lightsaber combat in episode 2. Again, just partial reasoning and not the full reason why these individuals won or lost but choice of form was important.
Obi Wan's true power was revealed by the fact that his robes, nor his lightsaber, got so much as singed by Vader's lightsaber. Clothes protection! (tutamenes [sp?]- like what Vader uses to catch Han's shots by hand, he's not letting them hit his robot limbs, he's actually using the force to bleed away [most of] the energy harmlessly)
Obi wan lost on purpose like he knew Luke needed a spark in order to go down the hero's journey there's no other way so he sacrificed himself for the better good .Remember instantly he started talking to Luke "run Luke run" .In the end obi wan knew he wanted vaders redemption as well he wanted Anakin back .
Long story short Vader was older, wiser & more experienced the second time. Or in his own words: "When I left you I was but a learner, now I am the master..."
Anakin was arrogant which is why he failed against Obi Wan and why he failed to obtain the rank of Jedi Master. In truth Anakin was a horrible Jedi but a powerful Force wielder. Anakin did not learn what it meant to be a Jedi.
strike him down Vader wanted, he never understood just how profound the techno union anthem ""It's hard to say goodbye (Techno Remix)" would be. The tunes of DJ Wat Tambor live on, lol. Great vid SWRC. B)
Might have something to do with Obi Wan intentionally letting him win as well. It's funny based on that summation if Vader had found Obi Wan earlier on most likely Obi Wan would have killed him, or left him as just a stump this time in an ants nest. It would have been hilarious if Obi Wan and Vader had a second duel on Hoth and Obi Wan cut off Vader's limbs at the hip and shoulder carved Bob into his chest and left in a river to freeze to death. Then he could have really trolled him on the Death Star. "Well what you think Darth Bob third time lucky?"
I love the remasterd version available...it is awesome!!! The original...where Vader approached Obi wan slowly......is classic if you watch it from the view that Vader KNEW Obiwan damn near killed him in the first duel and worried Obiwan could do it again. Hence, the slow approach.
It doesn’t make sense that Vader would be obsessed with where Obi Wan was because there are tons of stories where Vader kills Jedi without the interrogating any of them at all before killing them. One of them may have had a clue, he would never know if they did or not by killing them outright.
I consider when battles involve personal matters, the battle between Obi Wan and Anakin is a great example. Anakin lost not because of his skill, he lost because of his mind. The loss of his wife, the death of the academy. You know his mind wasnt clear. The High Ground was just bait. Constantly being doubted of his power. Obi Wan lost the second time because, regardless of Vader, Luke entered the room. And if Obi Wan struck down Vader a second time, it could have scarred Luke forever. So he accepted defeat.
It makes one wonder how differently events would have played out if Obi-Wan had given Vader just one little force push back down into the lava river instead of that "YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!!!" speech.
I wonder if Obiwan took Vader out.... ironically Palpatine getting a new apprentice if Vader died would mean that Luke would not likely manage to save the Rebels above the moon, Endor, in Return of the Jedi, as this other apprentice would have to be likely killed and Palpatine too, albeit like had little effect on either the space or the terrestrial battle, perhaps though, this other apprentice would help out on Endor or stop the Falcon. Hmmm the faith of the Rebellion becomes most ambiguous then. Keep it up my friend!
remeber luke trained and git so much stronger if they trained with yoda how much stronger obi wan would get with his increased knowledge of the force obi wans light saber dueling atrophed due to lack of practice but his knowledge inceased tenfold if him and luke trained with yoda they would have both gotten very strong
yeah I think that there were several reasons why anakin lost to obi wan on mustafar. The first being that obiwan was a master of shinso and could deflect anything anakin could throw at him. The second being that obiwan knew anakin moves which made him easy to predict. The third was anakin relied heavily on the dark side which made him much easier to defeat for obiwan.
Obi was once the winner in a duell between him and Yoda. He was at the time the clone wars went on known as THE MASTER of Form 3 S. In episode 4, after knowing this, I fix the fight scene issue for myself with one simple thought. Vader knew how strong Obi always was and had to adapt to fight against full defence, his limbs were slower, heavier... The reason both don't move fast and fight is not all because of age or old tech for the movie...these two went both full defence (Vader needed to master form 3 better, he simply is not that capable in most of the other styles, as they need agility, rely on the hatred of the opponent (he fights jedi, so useless to fight in vapaad) or needs the enemy to take action and focused more on counters (like Count Dooku did), it's like watching two Tigers against one another, constantly waiting for an opening or use "jabs" to force one. Both can kill each other, both can even when winning the fight, loose the life they have (Vader maybe through Sidious, he always had an ace in the backround) or the hope to end the empire/take control of it. The advantage or highground was always on Obi, no need to explain in the first fight you did pretty well. For the second fight, think about that: Sometimes, to win, the only thing that matters is that your enemy doesn't and thi can be managed even in your own defeat. Obi always was the better fighter, tactic matters more than brute force, literally in case of these two. Vader lost the moment he chose to fight Obi, thats the beauty in all of that. General and Jedi master of trolling till the end.
Its funny. Alec Guinness didn't like Star Wars calling it foolish but he played a Darth Vader like character years before in Doctor Doctor Zhivago. Even dressing all in black. I wonder if that inspired Lucas in his design of Vader. It even had the idea of brother against brother. Light vs Dark during the fall of the Russian empire.
To summarise. Vader sensed that Obi-Wan had been hiding on Tatooine, based on this observation there was a high likelihood he had brought sand with him. Fortunately there was no sand, and he was able to achieve victory as well as orgasm.
Maybe I missed this, didn't Obi wan allow Vader to strike him down? When watching the movie obi wan just stood still saber raised to allow him to strike him down to allow Luke and the mob to escape giving them time and distraction. Even in the image it displays obi wan holding his saber straight up neutrally.
Is this old news? When Obi-Wan and Anikan were fighting Dooku, Count force pushed Obi away to fight Anikan. As Obi runs back and fights the drones, he kills one by deflecting a blaster, but the second one he cuts off both legs and one arm. The same way he defeated Vader later. Was this already discussed before? All this time I never knew that. Anikan was so focused on revenge he didn’t see that light saber move from him.
Ben Kenobi could’ve won the fight if that was his end goal, but by the Time Luke had come around Ben sacrificed himself so Luke would have the motivation to avenge Ben and kill Vader-and we all know how that worked out for Luke in Empire Strikes back, and by the end going against the wishes of Ben and Yoda, redeeming his father when they had lost hope.
That's not what the Canon book From a point of view says.Obiwan makes it clear he had NO chance to actually winning the fight,putting UP a fight is another story
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How Obi Wan could have easily triggered Vader:
Obi Wan: “A Sith APPRENTICE? Even as a Sith you could never reach the rank of Master, Anakin.”
Lol
And then he should have said "Fine, i'll let you strike me down so you can stop crying about it." Before standing still. Then Vader would have said "Well now it's no fun..." and Obi Wan would have lived.
He is a master tho
A master at getting caught
That would make him kill palpatine and then he'll say who's the master now obi wan? Then they successfully defeated palpatine without actually killing him directly and they can just team up on vader next
Little did Darth Vader know that Obi would troll him as a Force Ghost after death
Nice, black flash
Tickling him at night, stopping him sleeping.
Please tell me what trolling means?
BJETNT basically internet slang for pranking or telling lies for laughs
@@madness3x8 man thank you very much I'm not kidding!!! I tried looking it up and that's not the answer I got but that makes total sense now. Thank you for taking the time to answer and happy New year
Darth Vader won because his robot legs made him taller so he would naturally have the high ground above obi wan
Noob Saibot it’s not just design...
*It’s a feature*
@@SanchezS1998 are you related to Rick sanchez by any chance? lol
but he was always taller than obi wan???
Obi wan always has the high ground. *Always*
Mustace Emoji No, but you’re not the first person to ask 😜
“I’ve been waiting for you, Obi-Wan. We meet again at last. The circle is now complete. When I left you, I was but the learner. Now I am the master.”
"Only a master of evil, Darth!"
J. Gona clash
@@CaptiveReefSystems by striking me down I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine
Only a master at getting caught
"Your powers are weak, old man!"
In the legends, the Death Star was on a slight axis allowing vader to be standing slightly above ben. Ben, naturally, realized vader had the high ground and let vader strike him down, purely out of respect for the high ground.
Height of individual does not = high ground. High ground = elevated ground. Obi Wan let Vader win to troll him as if to say you will always be a noob I never died and I am much more powerful literally immortal and live in a "higher" 😉 plane.
@@kwarrior2895 can't you read? Vader was on elevated ground during the fight because of the death stars angle.
That's what the legends say anyway
Lmaoooo
Kanwadyo Pinho I don't think that is why Obi-Wan really let him win.
@@papapapa2856 LOL that's like arguing on a flat surface of earth you are "above" someone else because of the earth's slight axis....that's not how it works.
Vader just can't compete with Obi Wan's level of being civilized
And the ways of the high ground.
Hello there
@@gaijinspice6984 General Kenobi!
Civility*
Or his level of Democracy.
I’ll bet Darth Vader was surprised when Obi-wan let him strike him down
He was, its no secret. In fact he shit himself
I bet he was kind of worried for the next few hours though. For all he knew, he could be attacked by a teleporting naked Jedi at any moment
@@Wi-Fi-El Hello there.
Floyd Money Mayweather 50-0 GOAT I definitely remember reading that quote directly
@@Wi-Fi-El Imagine Obi Wan force ghost deepthroating Vader and Palpatine walks like WTF!!! Or he is on the halogram and he humiliates Vader when he is giving annoucements and the officers start laughing at him.
Ashoka: "What is the height of stupidy master?"
Obi Wan: "Im not sure. Anakin, how tall are you?"
No wonder he was so motivated to kill him.
*Stupidity. On an unrelated note, how tall are you? 😂
@@SonicSega0964 um
🤣🤣🤣😂😂
And in the end, he beat up a old tired man...that basically gave up.
Satisfaction denied.
an* old
Obi Wan let Vader kill him, so..
@@IAM-yj6xr I know right it is like the biggest fuck you because he never actually died. Vader just made him immortal.
not gave up,obi wan knew his time is up,so he let vader strike him.
And on top of that Vader didn’t even hit him lol he disappeared before the strike hits.
"knew the tactics used by Obi-Wan and adjusted accordingly"
I'm going to fight him in the hallway where there's no high ground, perfect.
Cant get no high ground on even ground
Even Vader must acknowledge the power of the High Ground!
The high ground was a metaphor for superior tactics all along.
I recently watched fictional fight commentary of their fight on the auralnauts youtube channel and the one kept talking about how anakin's overconfidence allowed obi-wan to lead him from spot to spot until an opening presented itself. Even though it was a comical bit the points made were actually good. Anakin was reckless and overconfident in his abilities and ow just played defense and waited.
Imagine if there was a pedestal and ben stepped on it. Vader would have froze in fear!
force P U S H
Obi Wan had one final lesson to teach Vader, and Luke had to see what he was up against.
Obi-Wan never taught Vader anything.
I love how often you repeat the same thing, but with different words every time
Listen to Scotty Kilmer
@@DarthVader1977 nice to see another Scotty fan on a different part of youtube
Darth Vader ayeeee didn’t expect to hear about Scotty on a Star Wars channel. Nothing better than listening to this in a Toyota waving your arms non stop while talking lol
Bro stop that. This guy is TEN TIMES MORE WORTH LISTENING TO THAN FUCKING STUPDENDOUS WAVE! Jesus Christ THAT GUY, LITERALLY says the same thing over and over but reworded. This channel is sooooooo worth following. Never ceases to amaze me when it comes to lore. ❤
its kind of his shtick
I bet during their fight, Darth Vader was like "Good there's no high ground".
And when Vader was stomping on Ben's robe after he killed him, he was thinking "who has the high ground now."
Lame played out meme.
Obi-Wan's ghost: *Starts floating in the air* "I am the High Ground"
This is even ground now.
I disliked so it would become 66
Selling High Ground and sand bags! Works 100% against angry Vaders!
@Leon He I think you want to go home and rethink your life.
@Leon He I'd R/woosh you but nah.
I bid 100,000 Republic Credits!
hey i am a star wars fan from kosovo eastren europe i love hering and watching these episodes it really helped me to understand the star wars universe i hope for all the best and HAPPY NEW YEAR
Thank you for watching, and you as well! I really appreciate it and it is awesome to hear that you are enjoying them.
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Kosovo isn't eastern Europe.
It's southern Europe.
Also Kosovo is Serbia.
For Obi-Wan being that dangerous. You're welcome.
It really is an amazing moment. Vader walks away thinking he won, and in his narrow view he did, but obi-wan accomplished every goal he had on the death star and beyond. The jedi had changed and the sith didn't see it coming.
Vader was confused Because he felt thAt ben was still There but There was only a robe and a lightsaber…
Man obi wan’s enemy’s always living off of their hate of him jeez
He is the biggest troll in star wars with the highest sith Maiming count.
His lightsaber style is basically the highest level of trolling
Literally everyone that obi wan faced at least wanted to kill Kenobi the most, because kenobi is just the master of trolling
@@dariusfarrel3228 well dooku trashes obi wan so bad lol
Another happy landing!
...was that of his robes after Vader struck him down.
I miss these simple days of reading old Star Wars books.
Years after "Revenge of the Sith", years before the dark times, before Disney...
A more civilized read, from a more civilized time.
Ngl I'm not counting the Disney trilogy as canon, to me it just doesn't make sense in the universe or with the characters
Prequels were ass. Disney sequels were ass.7/9 of the main movies are ass
Israel Arellano compared to the sequels the prequels were classics.
@@unrestrictedcoconut4386 You are so blinded by your hate.
“So there we have it!”
Me:😪
Dang that last part 😳
@@marzdaalien5144 Yeah he shook it up for this one bruh!!! 😮
I literally paused it to type the first comment then played it again and finished and had to type again lmaooo
vader: now i am the master!
windu's force ghost: Not yet
Even in canon as soon as Vader learns Ashoka lived he thought about how she would lead him to Obi-wan.
Unpopular opinion but I hate Ashoka and the clone wars
@@delta2372 random but okay
@@delta2372 hmmm....a surprise but a welcomed one.
you're a fucking idiot seriously
Delta 23 I'm with you. Never liked it. Even though it technically was pre-Disney, all of the events during the show weren't acknowledged during Episode 3, and NEVER COULD HAVE HAPPENED during the Episode 2-3 gap.
I could have always defeated Anakin in Episode IV. We are shown many times that age does not hinder a Force user's fighting ability (as seen with both Count Dooku and Yoda) and I never became weaker on Tatooine as a Jedi's power flows form the Force and you don't need conflict to increase your Force ability.
Inner peace, meditation, and morality is all you need and those things are easier to find in a peaceful seclusion vs a time of conflict so my time on Tatooine only helped in this regard. Let's also not forget that Yoda was also in exile and he was still a being fully in tuned with the Force. If Yoda could do this that so could I.
I deliberately lost to Vader to teach Luke a lesson, the lesson about not fearing death and overcoming loss. Luke the true evil Vader represented and that in death we often become closer to the Force than we ever were before, that death is nothing to fear and one should not be attached to this life.
And perhaps most importantly, it was never my job to kill Vader. That was always Luke's destiny as he was Vader's son and represented the next generation of Jedi. It could only be Luke that both corrected both the mistakes of his father and ushered in a new era of the Jedi that learned from their defeat at the hands of the Sith. Luke would learn form the mistakes of the path to forge a brighter future. It had to him who defeated the Sith to let the Jedi rise once again.
Obi-Wan Kenobi my man wrote a whole book
*HELLO THERE*
but obi wan...disney destroyed everything...the mary rey sue is the the bullshit choosen one!! the force betrayed us!!!
Hasn't Darth Vader become just too strong?
Your powers are weak old man
"If you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine!" . . . Way to go Vader! Obi Wan has the high ground for eternity now! Lol
Isn't anakin also a force ghost?
I like the interpretation that vader nerfed himself at mustafar by going completely into the dark side and so not utilizing his light side connection. His connection to the dark side was new and weak and that's how obi wan won
Man! That Emperor is one handsome dude!
Lol
I'd fuck him
😂🤪
DEW IT
If Obi Wan wanted to win, he'd just have to bring a step stool. Portable high ground.
I love the way you word things. Even when you repeat things you do it in a satisfying way or changing it and adding necessary info. The ending was also hilarious 😂
Vader could not know during the second duel that the most powerful Sith of them all, Darth Lucas, was capable of time travel and could harness the relatively new force powers of CGI to rewrite Vader’s backstory and make him seem more badass on Mustafar than on the Death Star.
They say the high ground is a path to many abilities, some considered to be unnatural.
Its a path to many natural abilities
This is legitimately the best and most satisfying explanation for the evolution from martial arts mayhem to a more realistic fencing/kendo face off!
It's a great in universe explanation to make up for what was actually technical limitations in our universe. The props used for lightsabers in ANH were extremely fragile and prone to breaking when attempting to film duels. This led to them using a more defensive and slower style of combat
My lord uploading another video, I see.
"I have the high ground! You cannot win!". 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
If Old Ben Kenobi used his melee attack on Vader from the episode 3 game, the duel would be over in a second. *_BONK!_*
How much time elapsed between Obi Wan's final duel with Darth Maul on Tatoine and his final duel with Vader in A New Hope? Also, what was Darth Maul's birth name, and why was he still going by Darth after loosing the Sith apprenticeship? And what did Maul think about Vader and vice versa?
Maul was just going by maul in rebels. It was about 2yrs
I absolutely love how deep Star Wars rly is compared to what ppl might see on the surface
Living rent-free in Vader's head for 20 years. Is the ultimate troll job by Obi-Wan.
I noticed as vader got older he’s not as impulsive but he’s more calm in a coldly calculating way which is what I assumed he worked on to improve himself in the dark side and as a force user and just to become more powerful I assume he purposely meditated to improve on that and it does make a big difference on him succeeding in his fights and missions and that explains how he’s now successful all the time but before would fail because he would just do things without thinking them through
I absolutely love this video and all the logic seem 100% to me !!! So interesting 🤔
In a way, Vader lost to Obi Wan the second time, too. He never actually got the killing blow. Obi Wan vanished into the force, forever denying Vader his desired vengeance. That, and there weren't any clear signs of Vader having an advantage, with the way they were both fighting with such reservation. I think that denial of vengeance alone defeated Vader.
They fought 3 times since skyealkers fall.. mustafar … kenobi beat him…. And the obiwan series they fought and skywalkers lost again….. the 3rd time on the Death Star it was a draw and obiwan let Vader stick him down .. literally lol
With all the grief Darth Maul gave Sidious & Vader over the years, remember how quickly Kenobi took Maul down when he decided to do what was necessary. In stead of waiting Maul out, Kenobi manipulated Maul into using the same attack used to kill Qui Gonn Jinn. In the Episode 4 fight, all Kenobi had to do was distract and delay Vader, which Kenobi did, then resolutely stepped into the Force to guide Luke when Luke needed it the most.
The architectural plans of the Death Star... no sand, no lava and no high grounds...
Imagine throwing the SAND that came from the HIGH GROUND at Vader. Would you do it?
Ace Sway. Its what Vader might do after words that would have you regret it.
Plisken X51mm Good point
Online clickbate articles be like: "Learn this one trick Vader knows, the JEDI hate him for it"
This is great explanation and analysis. Vader had decades to learn his mistakes. He learned his skills from the begining basically. It made him even more powerful and dangerous because of his cybernetics. He gained experience and calmness. Wisdom comes with years. Vader didnt look scared. He was totally in control. And the redemption and prophecy fulfilling had begun. Nice final strike pun.
Obi Wan's first words to Vader as a Force ghost: "Hello there!"
Form 2 (Makashi)> Form 1 (Shii-Cho), 3 (Soresu) and 4 (Ataru)... Form 3 > Form 4, form 5 (Djem So and Shien) and form 7 (Juyo but not necessarily vaapad)... Form 5 > Form 2. So from that, you have the PARTIAL reasoning for why Dooku managed to defeat Obi-Wan in episode 3, the defeat of Dooku by Anakin in episode 3 and the defeat of Anakin at Obi Wan's hands in episode 3. Also, you have the indirect reasoning for why Dooku was able to put up significant resistance against Yoda in lightsaber combat in episode 2. Again, just partial reasoning and not the full reason why these individuals won or lost but choice of form was important.
You forget the fact palpatine was interrupting Obi Wan's force shield so he could see if Anakin was power enough to beat Dooku.
Obi Wan's true power was revealed by the fact that his robes, nor his lightsaber, got so much as singed by Vader's lightsaber.
Clothes protection! (tutamenes [sp?]- like what Vader uses to catch Han's shots by hand, he's not letting them hit his robot limbs, he's actually using the force to bleed away [most of] the energy harmlessly)
The real difference between the first and the second duel was that in the second there was no High Ground
Obi wan lost on purpose like he knew Luke needed a spark in order to go down the hero's journey there's no other way so he sacrificed himself for the better good .Remember instantly he started talking to Luke "run Luke run" .In the end obi wan knew he wanted vaders redemption as well he wanted Anakin back .
The frame @ 0:47 is that the new Padmé or is that just a random jedi?
Obiwan s light saber was suffering from erectile dysfunction due to his old age😂
I like that. Vader saw his old master strike rather than defend, almost shits his pants for a second and, in the least Anakin move ever, backs up.
A third time u mean
Long story short Vader was older, wiser & more experienced the second time.
Or in his own words:
"When I left you I was but a learner, now I am the master..."
Obie wan was still better even at that point but kenobi let him win to inspire Luke
@@ethanvern4600 there is no way in this time vader is way superior
Anakin was arrogant which is why he failed against Obi Wan and why he failed to obtain the rank of Jedi Master. In truth Anakin was a horrible Jedi but a powerful Force wielder. Anakin did not learn what it meant to be a Jedi.
At least youre a master at getting trolled
For not knowing he was this dangerous then. Great video.
I find it funny vader never considered the environment area important for engagement a battle station with a room temperature vs lava planet
strike him down Vader wanted, he never understood just how profound the techno union anthem ""It's hard to say goodbye (Techno Remix)" would be. The tunes of DJ Wat Tambor live on, lol.
Great vid SWRC. B)
This cat talks like an airline stewardess 😂
Might have something to do with Obi Wan intentionally letting him win as well. It's funny based on that summation if Vader had found Obi Wan earlier on most likely Obi Wan would have killed him, or left him as just a stump this time in an ants nest. It would have been hilarious if Obi Wan and Vader had a second duel on Hoth and Obi Wan cut off Vader's limbs at the hip and shoulder carved Bob into his chest and left in a river to freeze to death. Then he could have really trolled him on the Death Star. "Well what you think Darth Bob third time lucky?"
I love the remasterd version available...it is awesome!!! The original...where Vader approached Obi wan slowly......is classic if you watch it from the view that Vader KNEW Obiwan damn near killed him in the first duel and worried Obiwan could do it again. Hence, the slow approach.
Thumbs up if you're about to go watch Darth Vader vs Obi Wan remastered fight after this video
you're* about to
@@DarthVader1977 you not the real Darth Vader. Stop
The remastered is garbage.
Cherry Cola wait what remaster are we talking about?
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Vader worried for nothing. No highground this time.
It doesn’t make sense that Vader would be obsessed with where Obi Wan was because there are tons of stories where Vader kills Jedi without the interrogating any of them at all before killing them. One of them may have had a clue, he would never know if they did or not by killing them outright.
I consider when battles involve personal matters, the battle between Obi Wan and Anakin is a great example. Anakin lost not because of his skill, he lost because of his mind. The loss of his wife, the death of the academy. You know his mind wasnt clear. The High Ground was just bait. Constantly being doubted of his power.
Obi Wan lost the second time because, regardless of Vader, Luke entered the room. And if Obi Wan struck down Vader a second time, it could have scarred Luke forever. So he accepted defeat.
THIS HAPPENED 😭😭
It makes one wonder how differently events would have played out if Obi-Wan had given Vader just one little force push back down into the lava river instead of that "YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!!!" speech.
I thought about that too my conclusion is he wouldn’t qualify for dark side social security lol
Nothing unexpected, as Vader never had the makings of a varsity athlete
No wonder he doesn't like sand.
"Hello, there."
What did Vader do with Obi-Wan's lightsaber after the duel?
If not for me....
For having the high ground.
Honestly, it would be cool to see obi wan beat Vader again
I wonder if Obiwan took Vader out.... ironically Palpatine getting a new apprentice if Vader died would mean that Luke would not likely manage to save the Rebels above the moon, Endor, in Return of the Jedi, as this other apprentice would have to be likely killed and Palpatine too, albeit like had little effect on either the space or the terrestrial battle, perhaps though, this other apprentice would help out on Endor or stop the Falcon. Hmmm the faith of the Rebellion becomes most ambiguous then.
Keep it up my friend!
remeber luke trained and git so much stronger if they trained with yoda how much stronger obi wan would get with his increased knowledge of the force obi wans light saber dueling atrophed due to lack of practice but his knowledge inceased tenfold if him and luke trained with yoda they would have both gotten very strong
Or Alec Guinness was an old bloke in a one off film, that he hated and couldn't move very well.
Another reason to why is this one of my favourite duels.
yeah I think that there were several reasons why anakin lost to obi wan on mustafar. The first being that obiwan was a master of shinso and could deflect anything anakin could throw at him. The second being that obiwan knew anakin moves which made him easy to predict. The third was anakin relied heavily on the dark side which made him much easier to defeat for obiwan.
Obi quit like a bozz
“He is clumsy as he is stupid” -me
I left a like for *not knowing he was this dangerous*
Annakin tryed to kill Obi Wan in the duel of fate with the same move Obi Wan used on Darth Maul, but Obi Wan had the high ground.
Sometimes, old B beat someone so bad he had to rebuilt as a cyborg so he could keep living.
Obi was once the winner in a duell between him and Yoda.
He was at the time the clone wars went on known as THE MASTER of Form 3 S.
In episode 4, after knowing this, I fix the fight scene issue for myself with one simple thought. Vader knew how strong Obi always was and had to adapt to fight against full defence, his limbs were slower, heavier... The reason both don't move fast and fight is not all because of age or old tech for the movie...these two went both full defence (Vader needed to master form 3 better, he simply is not that capable in most of the other styles, as they need agility, rely on the hatred of the opponent (he fights jedi, so useless to fight in vapaad) or needs the enemy to take action and focused more on counters (like Count Dooku did), it's like watching two Tigers against one another, constantly waiting for an opening or use "jabs" to force one.
Both can kill each other, both can even when winning the fight, loose the life they have (Vader maybe through Sidious, he always had an ace in the backround) or the hope to end the empire/take control of it. The advantage or highground was always on Obi, no need to explain in the first fight you did pretty well.
For the second fight, think about that:
Sometimes, to win, the only thing that matters is that your enemy doesn't and thi can be managed even in your own defeat. Obi always was the better fighter, tactic matters more than brute force, literally in case of these two.
Vader lost the moment he chose to fight Obi, thats the beauty in all of that.
General and Jedi master of trolling till the end.
Just bullshit vader trashes this old wound
A third time*
Its funny. Alec Guinness didn't like Star Wars calling it foolish but he played a Darth Vader like character years before in Doctor Doctor Zhivago. Even dressing all in black. I wonder if that inspired Lucas in his design of Vader. It even had the idea of brother against brother. Light vs Dark during the fall of the Russian empire.
It’s not about power, it’s how you use it.
To summarise. Vader sensed that Obi-Wan had been hiding on Tatooine, based on this observation there was a high likelihood he had brought sand with him.
Fortunately there was no sand, and he was able to achieve victory as well as orgasm.
Maybe I missed this, didn't Obi wan allow Vader to strike him down? When watching the movie obi wan just stood still saber raised to allow him to strike him down to allow Luke and the mob to escape giving them time and distraction. Even in the image it displays obi wan holding his saber straight up neutrally.
Is this old news? When Obi-Wan and Anikan were fighting Dooku, Count force pushed Obi away to fight Anikan. As Obi runs back and fights the drones, he kills one by deflecting a blaster, but the second one he cuts off both legs and one arm. The same way he defeated Vader later. Was this already discussed before? All this time I never knew that. Anikan was so focused on revenge he didn’t see that light saber move from him.
For not knowing he was this dangerous!
Well obi wan left him defeated bleeding into the dirt not just once 🤣
obi wan is just one hell of a strong Jedi- Master 🤩
We need a good "Lord" varder video game that would be about his time after the battle on mustafar
Ben Kenobi could’ve won the fight if that was his end goal, but by the Time Luke had come around Ben sacrificed himself so Luke would have the motivation to avenge Ben and kill Vader-and we all know how that worked out for Luke in Empire Strikes back, and by the end going against the wishes of Ben and Yoda, redeeming his father when they had lost hope.
That's not what the Canon book From a point of view says.Obiwan makes it clear he had NO chance to actually winning the fight,putting UP a fight is another story
So Vader not got he’s revenge ... that’s cold
he had the high ground...