Not just that, Thomas not using vocative does NOT mean he is calling out to the Father because then he would use vocative as well because that's the case for when you are calling someone
@@fluffysheapQuite the opposite. They refused to say the word "I Am" . Because it was what God called himself. They revered God's name back then. Now it's normal to insult God's name with abbreviations such as omg , omfg etc.
How would you figure if you don’t mind me asking ? The father son and holy spirt is all one in the same not here to argue may the most high bless you and open your eyes 🙌🏾🙏
@@AlwaysPush.These Muslims entertain me. Here's one point: Why would God give Jesus supernatural powers and the abilities to do miracles if he was a poser pretending to be the son of God? If he made people worship him even though he wasn't God? Islam is so BS, get over it.
@@RavanoxYT Let end this explin to me john 17:3 Jesus look at sky and say Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. Father is god and jesus is messager of god You will never found in bible that jesus say i am god or worship me Open your eyes and look for true
Jesus isn’t the Almighty. He himself states he is Gods Son. Jehovah is Almighty alone. The Trinitarian doctrine is flawed. There is no almighty in it. The Father CANNOT be Almighty without the Son or Holy Spirit as a triune Godhead. The same with the son and Holy Spirit cannot be Almighty without the Father… this shows reliance and an inability. No one can be Almighty in the Trinity doctrine. So there is no Almighty. The Bible very clearly shows Jehovah ALONE is Almighty
@@catherinethompson6531 depends on the version, for example the NIV seems pretty bad to me. my favourites are the ESV and especially the NKJV is the most accurate i believe
@@OrthodoxMetalhead oh wow okay. I normally stick to NKJV and when I need a more direct verse to understand better I’ll use NLT but I did notice one verse that the NLT translated that no other version had the same way that completely changed the meaning of the verse and I was shocked. (I totally forget where) So I know to be cautious now
FYI: Islam is the fulfillment of the prophecy in Isaiah 60:7 and the Quran is the *“new song to YHWH”* in *Isaiah 42:10…* *Isaiah 60:7* (Lexham) All the *flocks of Kedar* shall be gathered to you; the *rams of Nebaioth* shall serve you. They shall present a sacrifice for favor on my altar, and *I will glorify my honorable house.* --- Pssst… the “honorable house” that God promises to “glorify” is the same house that Moses made pilgrimage to while learning and working for his Father-in-Law, Jethro/Raguel prior to returning to Egypt to free his people… 🕋 (it is the “house” that the phylacteries are modeled after)
@@moosa86 incorrect but hopefully you'll see that before it's too late. Regardless of whether or not you do, you will bow down to Jesus and proclaim Him to be God of God, Lord of Lords, and savior of all mankind.
@TheFReeFRiesss Oh really?… wow okay 👍 Out of curiosity you have any scriptural basis for your views? (or are you only basing them on church doctrine that you’ve internalized?)
The Islamic covenant is the “double portion” owed to Abraham’s “firstfruit” (Ishmael’s descendants) based on Deuteronomy 21:15-17… *Deuteronomy 21:15-17* (Lexham) [15] a man has two wives, and the one is loved and the other one is disliked and the one loved and the one that is disliked have borne for him sons, if it happens that the firstborn son belongs to the one that is disliked, [16] nevertheless it will be the case that on the day of bestowing his inheritance upon his sons, he will not be allowed to treat as the firstborn son the son of the beloved wife in preference to the son of the disliked wife, who is the firstborn son. [17] But he shall acknowledge the firstborn son of the disliked wife by giving him a *double portion* of all that he has, for he is the *firstfruit of his vigor;* to him is the legal claim of the birthright. ----- The New Testament even alludes to the fulfillment of Deuteronomy 18:18 in between appearances of Jesus Christ: Please read the following New Testament passages carefully 🙏 *John 1:19-25* [19] And this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent[a] priests and Levites from Jerusalem so that they could ask him, “Who are you?” [20] And he confessed-and he did not deny, and confessed-“I am not the Christ!” [21] And they asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?” And he said, “I am not!” “Are you *THE PROPHET?”* [b] And he answered, “No!” [22] Then they said to him, “Who are you, so that we can give an answer to those who sent us? What do you say about yourself?” [23] He said, “I am ‘the voice of one crying out in the wilderness, “Make straight the way of the Lord,”’[c] just as Isaiah the prophet said.” [24] (And they had been sent from the Pharisees.) [25] And they asked him and said to him, “Why then are you baptizing, if you are not the Christ, nor Elijah, nor *THE PROPHET?”* notes: [a] Some manuscripts have “sent to him” [b] *A reference to the “Prophet like Moses” of Deut **18:15** (see Acts 3:22)* [c] A quotation from Isa 40:3 ----- *Acts 3:17-22* [17] And now, brothers, I know that you acted in ignorance, just as your rulers did also. [18] But the things which God foretold through the mouth of all the prophets, that his Christ would suffer, he has fulfilled in this way. [19] Therefore repent and turn back, so that your sins may be blotted out, [20] so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and he may send the Christ appointed for you-Jesus, [21] whom *heaven must receive UNTIL the times of the restoration of all things, about which God spoke through the mouth of his holy prophets* from earliest times. [22] Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You will listen to him in everything that he says to you. ----- Please note (in John 1) that the temple priests understood “THE PROPHET” (fulfillment of Deuteronomy 18:18) to be a separate individual from “THE CHRIST” 🧐 Also note that St. Peter informs those at the Temple that Christ will not return (2nd coming) until the fulfillment of Deuteronomy 18:18 has first taken place… 🤔
Ever heard of something called “prophetic perfect tense?” It’s a linguistic motif that’s used throughout the Bible (OT and NT). --- This verse was a stumbling block for many different gentile theologians who wrote books explaining the faith to Christians who weren’t familiar with Hebraic expressions. It led to many different theories about pre-existence, etc (see Origen).
John 8:24 is the best example. Jesus also tells us that believing he is the great I AM is salvific. John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: *FOR IF YE BELIEVE NOT THAT 👉🏼 I AM HE👈🏼 YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS* It doesn't get ☝🏼 any clearer than that. Thomas certainly understood that Jesus is God. 👇🏼 John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, *MY LORD AND 👉🏼 MY GOD* 👈🏼 JESUS ☝🏼 IS GOD. Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord , and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand THAT 👉🏼 *I AM HE* 👈🏼 before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. Isaiah 43:13 Yea, before the day was 👉🏼 *I AM HE* 👈🏼 and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it? Isaiah 46:4 And even to your old age 👉🏼 *I AM HE* 👈🏼 and even to hoar hairs will I carry you: I have made, and I will bear; even I will carry, and will deliver you. Isaiah 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: *therefore they shall know in that day that 👉🏼I AM HE* 👈🏼 that doth speak: behold, it is I. Isaiah 41:4 Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? *I the Lord , THE FIRST, AND 👉🏼WITH👈🏼 THE LAST; 👉🏼I AM HE* 👈🏼 Isaiah 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, *my called; 👉🏼 I AM HE 👈🏼 I AM THE FIRST, I ALSO AM THE LAST* 👈🏼 Revelation 1:11 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. *SAYING, 👉🏼I AM👈🏼 Alpha and Omega, 👉🏼THE FIRST AND THE LAST* 👈🏼and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. JESUS 👇🏼 IS GOD John 4:26 Jesus saith unto her, 👉🏼 *I* 👈🏼 that speak unto thee 👉🏼 *AM HE* 👈🏼 John 13:19 Now I tell you before it come, that, *when it is come to pass, ye may BELIEVE THAT I AM HE* 👈🏼 John 18:5-6, 8 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. *Jesus saith unto them, 👉🏼 I AM HE* And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. 6 As soon then as he had said unto them, *I AM HE* 👈🏼 they went backward, and fell to the ground. 8 Jesus answered, *I have told you that 👉🏼I AM HE* if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way: Revelation 1:18 👉🏼 *I AM HE* that liveth, and was dead and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that *I AM HE* 👈🏼 which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. JESUS ☝🏼 IS GOD. Isaiah 55:11 SHALL MY WORD be that goeth forth out of my mouth: IT SHALL NOT RETURN UNTO ME VOID, *but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing WHERETO I SENT IT* Jesus is God ☝🏼
Jesus is not God 100% proof @ I'm Christian. Jesus is the son of God, the first born, the prophesized Messiah. Jesus is the saviors, Jesus is a judge. But Jesus is not God bro. The word was God could also be translated to The word was king. The word was judge.. etc... Jesus was never called Yahweh. Colossians 1:15 15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creativity. how can God be the firstborn? Also the word for God in Hebrew is Elohim. but Judges, Kings, Angels were also called Elohim. Are they God too? Of course not, Jesus was never called Yahweh. Yahweh was the only name of God, the creator of all things. Elohim can be used for God as well as for kings, judges and angels. The Greek name Theos is the same name as Elohim, but Theos was never used to refer to Yahweh. So, my brother, you are a little deceived, study more Hebrew and Greek and be honest with yourself. Thank you, God bless. in another translation Who is the image of the invisible God, the first begotten of all creation; how can God be born?
@SheepOfChrist818 That's philosophy talk brother and a forced interpretation. Jesus was the first born is what the scripture says AND that everything was created through him and for him. Don't try to change the scripture or alter, that's sinful.
@SheepOfChrist818 I AM A FOLLOWER OF ONE TRUE GOD THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE, trinitarians need to stop lying about God. Jesus is chosen by God, he is the messiah BUT HE IS NO WAY GOD THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE. That's just blasphemy, How can satan tempt God? So Satan tempted God the creator of the universe? Why did Jesus tell his disciples after the resurrection that he is going to Their Father and His father?? His God and Their God??
@SheepOfChrist818 Nope you're still forcing interpretations. Why did did Jesus refer to himself the son of God? why didn't Jesus say. I am God in the flesh? why did Jesus have a different will than God?? The Ethiopians have the book of Enoch in their bible, It literally makes it clear that the trinity is false, The book is 300-400 years before Jesus. [48.2-10] And at that hour that Son of Man was named in the presence of the Lord of the spirits, and his name before the the One to Whom belongs the time before time. Yes, before the sun and the signs were created, before the stars of the heaven were made, his name was named before the Lord of the spirits. He shall be a staff to the righteous whereon to stay themselves and not fall, and he shall be the light of the gentiles and the hope of those who are troubled of heart. All who dwell on earth shall fall down and worship before him, and will praise and bless and celebrate with song the Lord of the spirits. For this reason has he been chosen and hidden before Him, before the creation of the world and for ever more. The wisdom of the Lord of the spirits has revealed him to the holy and righteous; for he has preserved the lot of the righteous, because they have hated and despised this world of unrighteousness, and have hated all its works and ways in the name of the Lord of the spirits: for in his name they are saved, and according to his good pleasure has it been in regard to their life.
Also, the fact that this Muslim says that Thomas was talking to the Father (which he wasn’t) disproves Islam by his own admission. The qur’an teaches that allah has no children and is a father to no one (Sura 5:18; 6:101; 9:30; 19:88-93). I love when Muslims prove that their own book is false while attempting to attack Christian doctrine.
People who pick up a Vines or Strong back in the day and thought they knew hebrew 😂😂 I was like that…but learned to appreciate the opinion of scholars who take the time to learn it 🤓
In the same gospel of John Christ says: “If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.” (Joh 14:7). He also says: “Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.” (Joh 14:10-11). The Father was in Christ, Christ is the express image of God(the Father), Christ spoke the words The Father told him to speak.
Yes god can speak though anyone. The same gospel of john... You can find alot of unitarian theology that is biblical. Acts 10:38 (NIV) 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him. Hebrews 3:1 (NIV) 3 Therefore, holy brothers and sisters, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, whom we acknowledge as our apostle and high priest. 1 Timothy 2:5 (NIV) 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 1 John 4:14 (NIV) 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. Romans 8:34 (NIV) 34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died-more than that, who was raised to life-is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 1 Corinthians 11:3 (NIV) 3 But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. John 10:29 (NIV) 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. John 14:28 (NIV) 28 “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. Matthew 19:17 (NIV) 17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.” John 17:21 (NIV) 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 1 Corinthians 8:6 (NIV) 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. Matthew 28:18 (NIV) 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. he positively denies himself to be the author of his miraculous works, but refers them to the Father, or the holy spirit of God. “The Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works,” John 14:10 (NIV) 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. John 5:36 (NIV) 36 “I have testimony weightier than that of John. For the works that the Father has given me to finish-the very works that I am doing-testify that the Father has sent me. John 6:27 (NIV) 27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.” John 8:42 (NIV) 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. John 8:28 (NIV) 28 So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me. Matthew 24:36 (NIV) 36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Luke 6:12 (NIV) 12 One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God. John 11:41 (NIV) 41 So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up and said, “Father, I thank you that you have heard me. John 11:42 (NIV) 42 I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me.” Acts 2:22-24 NIV 22 “Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazarethq was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. 23 This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men,put him to death by nailing him to the cross.24 But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold
@Doctrine Detective Jesus Christ’s statement in John 14:7 (along other such statements) can be best understood by the two following verses belonging to John’s writings: *John 1:18* No one has seen God at any time; the one and only, God, the one who is in the bosom of the Father-that one has made him known. --- *1 John 4:12* No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God resides in us and his love is perfected in us.
@@moosa86 Peace to you family from The Almighty in Christ’s name. I don’t know if you know this, but there is a very well documented history of manuscript corruption with the gospels. This is not to suggest we don’t have an accurate gospel, but that ‘some’ gospel manuscripts were corrupted. John 1:18 is an example of that corruption, all evidence points to that verse saying ‘only begotten son’ not ‘only begotten God’. I don’t know if you’re aware of that but I pray that helps you on your walk.
There is not a single unequivocal statement in the bible where Jesus himself says I am God or hence worship me. The main reason why every Christian is reverting to Islam. The religion of Adam,Moses,Jesus,Muhammad (pbuh) and all the other prophets was Islam The word Islam means submission of your will to one God
There is not a single unequivocal statement in the bible where Jesus himself says I am God or hence worship me. The main reason why every Christian is reverting to Islam. The religion of Adam,Moses,Jesus,Muhammad (pbuh) and all the other prophets was Islam The word Islam means submission of your will to one God
@@ace1909 Now when I give you verses that says he is God, then you will say " noo not that and not this, it is corrupted and etc". Hate to break it to, Jesus is God and he said it himself.
@@royobanon831 Jesus was a prophet sent by GOD. John 17:3: And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. " Jesus says that there is only one true God and he was sent by that one TRUE GOD.
@@14-Peaks That same Jesus said that he is that "I Am" and "He and father are one". Hey buddy I understand that it is hard to understand Trinity, ofcourse I can't get my head around it either, but I understand one thing very much clearly, that is, my brain isn't capable enough to understand the complexity of the Almighty.
@@user-jy2hq2rb4q Act 20:28 (NKJV): “Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.
@@user-jy2hq2rb4qJesus is the son of God and Messiah who died for our sins and rose again, was exalted to the right hand of God, and has been given authority to one day judge the world.
Since when a son could be equal to his father? Jesus was sent to cleanse humanity sins, NOT A PILGRIMAGE FOR HIS GOD HOOD If you still insist saying that Jesus is God, who do you think Jesus prayed to BEFORE JESUS BECOME "GOD"?
@@user-jy2hq2rb4q Act 20:28 (NKJV): “Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.
@user-jy2hq2rb4qbuddy if you commit a crime such as taking a hundred lives, then you are taken to court, and you say, I’m sorry for what I did. Now let’s say the judge says, Ok since you’re sorry, you may go now, you’re free. Tell me, is that a just judgment?
Since when a son could be equal to his father? Jesus was sent to cleanse humanity sins, NOT A PILGRIMAGE FOR HIS GOD HOOD If you still insist saying that Jesus is God, who do you think Jesus prayed to BEFORE JESUS BECOME "GOD"?
Acts 10:38 (NIV) 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him. Hebrews 3:1 (NIV) 3 Therefore, holy brothers and sisters, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, whom we acknowledge as our apostle and high priest. 1 Timothy 2:5 (NIV) 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 1 John 4:14 (NIV) 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. Romans 8:34 (NIV) 34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died-more than that, who was raised to life-is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 1 Corinthians 11:3 (NIV) 3 But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. John 10:29 (NIV) 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. John 14:28 (NIV) 28 “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. Matthew 19:17 (NIV) 17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.” John 17:21 (NIV) 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 1 Corinthians 8:6 (NIV) 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. Matthew 28:18 (NIV) 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. he positively denies himself to be the author of his miraculous works, but refers them to the Father, or the holy spirit of God. “The Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works,” John 14:10 (NIV) 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. John 5:36 (NIV) 36 “I have testimony weightier than that of John. For the works that the Father has given me to finish-the very works that I am doing-testify that the Father has sent me. John 6:27 (NIV) 27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.” John 8:42 (NIV) 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. John 8:28 (NIV) 28 So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me. Matthew 24:36 (NIV) 36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Luke 6:12 (NIV) 12 One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God. John 11:41 (NIV) 41 So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up and said, “Father, I thank you that you have heard me. John 11:42 (NIV) 42 I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me.” Acts 2:22-24 NIV 22 “Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazarethq was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. 23 This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men,put him to death by nailing him to the cross.24 But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold
1. Jesus never referred to himself as “God” in the absolute sense, so what precedent then did Thomas have for calling Jesus “my God”? The Greek language uses the word theos, (“God” or “god”) with a broader meaning than is customary today. In the Greek language and in the culture of the day, “GOD” (all early manuscripts of the Bible were written in all capital letters) was a descriptive title applied to a range of authorities, including the Roman governor (ACTS 12:22), and even the Devil (2 cor. 4:4). It was used of someone with divine authority. It was not limited to its absolute sense as a personal name for the supreme Deity as we use it today. 2. Given the language of the time, and given that Jesus did represent the Father and have divine authority, the expression used by Thomas is certainly understandable. On the other hand, to make Thomas say that Jesus was “God,” and thus 1/3 of a triune God, seems incredible. In Concessions of Trinitarians, Michaelis, a Trinitarian, writes: I do not affirm that Thomas passed all at once from the extreme of doubt to the highest degree of faith, and acknowledged Christ to be the true God. This appears to me too much for the then existing knowledge of the disciples; and we have no intimation that they recognized the divine nature of Christ before the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. I am therefore inclined to understand this expression, which broke out in the height of his astonishment, in a figurative sense, denoting only “whom I shall ever reverence in the highest degree”…Or a person raised from the dead might be regarded as a divinity; for the word God is not always used in the strict doctrinal sense” [Michaelis is quoted by Dana, ref. below]. Remember that it was common at that time to call God’s representatives “God,” and the Old Testament contains quite a few examples. When Jacob wrestled with “God,” it is clear that he was actually wrestling with an angel (HOSEA 12:4-For more on that, see the note on genesis 16:7-13). 3. There are many Trinitarian authorities who admit that there was no knowledge of Trinitarian doctrine at the time Thomas spoke. For example, if the disciples believed that Jesus was “God” in the sense that many Christians do, they would not have “all fled” just a few days before when he was arrested. The confession of the two disciples walking along the road to Emmaus demonstrated the thoughts of Jesus’ followers at the time. Speaking to the resurrected Christ, whom they mistook as just a traveler, they talked about Jesus. They said Jesus “was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God…and they crucified him; but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel” (LUKE 24:19-21). The Bible is clear that these disciples thought Jesus was a “prophet.” Even though some of the apostles realized that Jesus was the Christ, they knew that according to the Old Testament prophecies, the Christ, the anointed of God, was to be a man. There is no evidence from the gospel accounts that Jesus’ disciples believed him to be God, and Thomas, upon seeing the resurrected Christ, was not birthing a new theology in a moment of surprise. 4. The context of the verse shows that its subject is the fact that Jesus was alive. Only three verses earlier, Thomas had ignored the eyewitness testimony of the other apostles when they told him they had seen the Lord. The resurrection of Christ was such a disputed doctrine that Thomas did not believe it (the other apostles had not either), and thus Jesus’ death would have caused Thomas to doubt that Jesus was who he said he was-the Messiah. Thomas believed Jesus was dead. Thus, he was shocked and astonished when he saw-and was confronted by- Jesus Himself. Thomas, upon being confronted by the living Christ, instantly believed in the resurrection, i.e., that God had raised the man Jesus from the dead, and, given the standard use of “God” in the culture as one with God’s authority, it certainly makes sense that Thomas would proclaim, “My Lord and my God.” There is no mention of the Trinity in the context, and there is no reason to believe that the disciples would have even been aware of such a doctrine. Thomas spoke what he would have known: that the man Jesus who he thought was dead was alive and had divine authority. 5. For other uses of theos applicable to this verse, see hebrews 1:8.
When you can't deny that Thomas addressed Jesus as "God" now you're moving the goalpost and claim the Greek word theos can just mean anything and does not have to be absolute
Obviously trinitarianism isn't particulism : each person being 1/3 of God and the Trinity comes from the Jewish theology of Two Powers in Heaven that Rabbinic Judaism rejected in the 2nd century AD because it supported Christianity's claims of Jesus being the visible YHWH of Genesis 19:24. There are 2 the invisible YHWH ( Father) and the visible YHWH ( Jesus) in that verse that appeared as a man and talked to Abraham and Sarah along with the 2 angels who also appeared as men. Your plain ignorant of 2nd temple period Biblical Judaism theology. Two Powers in Heaven by Alan Segal a former Professor of Rabbinics at Brandis University who passed away but his book is still on Amazon.
❗IS JESUS TREATED AS A GOD? ➡️I do not believe in the Catholic doctrine of the Trinity, there IS ONLY ONE GOD, and Jesus, the anointed of God, is his exalted Representative, who did his perfect will because he had the fullness of divinity in him, the 7 spirits of Isaiah, which are manifestations and quality of the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is not a person, but the manifestation of God's will and his power, he is the finger of God. ➡️All who are led by the Spirit of God, doing his will, these are "Sons of God", whether they be Jews or Gentiles. (Romans 8:14) ➡️Jesus taught that THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD, THAT OF ABRAHAM, AND HIM ALONE IS TO BE WORSHIPPED. MARK 12:29-30 And Jesus answered him, The greatest commandment of all is, Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God; the Lord IS ONE. Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the chief commandment. LUKE 4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship thy Lord thy God, and HIM ONLY shalt thou serve. ➡️Jesus the Messiah is not another God, he is the intermediary between God and mankind, as Aaron was also intermediary, and because Aaron was intermediary between God and man he is not thereby sinning, nor is he another God, nor is he stealing God's position. Jesus is the High Priest of the order of Melchizedek, the Messianic eternal priesthood that replaces that of Aaron. Jesus was God's representative on earth, who did his perfect will and although he knew temptation as a man, he never sinned, because he never did his will but God's, since he, as the Anointed One, God was in him, and everything he did actually came from God. And therefore he is called the Image of the invisible God, the Word of God made flesh, the radiance of his glory and the exact expression of his nature. He was God's representative, just as Moses, who was even called God (Exodus 7:1), was also God's representative. Does Moses being God's representative, and being called God, mean that Moses is sinning, is another God, or is stealing God's position? Of course not. And if Moses, who brought the word of God, was called by God to be his representative even though he could not be perfect to the end, then why can't the Messiah, who brought us out of the bondage of sin, wrote the law of God in our hearts, and leads us to the promised Kingdom, being the very word of God manifested and who never sinned, be God's representative? ➡️We, true Christians, are not praying to Jesus directly as if he is a God, we pray to God in the "NAME OF JESUS CHRIST", because HE IS OUR INTERMEDIARY. John 16:23 Truly, truly, I say to you, if you ask anything of the Father, he will give it to you IN MY NAME. We have Jesus as an intermediary between God and men, he is the heavenly High Priest according to the order of Melchizedek, he is our advocate that we have with the Father. Our prayers are brought to God as incense. ➡️ Jesus did not say that he was God and that you had to worship him, but that he was God's representative, who would manifest and make known God's perfect will, and if someone hates him or does not honor him, you actually do it to God, because all the things he did were actually from God and not from him. That is why he says that he is 1 with God, and whoever has seen him has seen the Father, not because he is a trinitarian God, but because he would manifest his perfect will, and because he was 1 with God in mind and will, since God was in him, he is the Anointed of God. We too can be 1 with God and Jesus through the Holy Spirit, so as to have a mind that wants to do the will and commandments of God. John 5:23 He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him. John 15:23 He who hates me hates my Father also. John 14: 10-11, 24 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak to you, I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me, he does the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me; otherwise believe me for the works themselves. He who does not love me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear is not mine, but the Father's who sent me. ➡️The prophetic scriptures teach that HONOR AND SERVICE should be given to the Son of God AS MESSIAH AND KING, and that at the very least, the Messiah is given greater authority than even the angels. Psalms 2:12 HONOR the Son; otherwise God will be indignant, and you will die on the way, for his fury is quickly kindled. Happy are all those who take refuge in him! Psalm 110:1 "The LORD says to my Lord, "Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet." (Here God says that the Messiah would sit at his right hand in heaven, and that the enemies of the Messiah would be under his feet) (to which of the angels has God ever said this?). In Daniel 7, where the prophetic vision of Jesus' ascension in a cloud into heaven appears, it is again stated that he received dominion, glory and the Kingdom from God, and he is to be served. "I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. And he was given DOMINION and GLORY and A KINGDOM, that all peoples, nations and tongues ....MIGHT SERVE HIM...; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed" ( Daniel 7: 13-14 ). Here in this verse of the New Testament, it speaks on the same subject: Philippians 2 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God (God's representative), HASTENED NOT TO BE EQUAL TO GOD as a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men; and being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore GOD ALSO EXALTED HIM TO THE TOP, and gave HIM A NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES, that AT THE NAME OF JESUS EVERY KNEE OF THOSE IN HEAVEN, and on earth, and under the earth, should bow, and that every tongue should CONFESS THAT JESUS CHRIST IS THE LORD, to the glory of God the Father.
The pharasees hated Jesus MAINLY when He said before Abraham was I AM! He looked them dead in the eyes and told them He is indeed thier God and it shook them to their core and they couldnt reconcile it in thier mind and had him crusified, still He forgave them.
Can you imagine God looking at you a leader in law and everything you deem Holy and telling you everything you have done is wrong and you are just as guilty as a gentile. That would shake you to your core.
*What the islamic sources tell us about the early preservation of the Quran:* *Many verses and even whole suras of the Quran have been lost forever, especially during the battle of yamama* (Ibn Abi Dawud, Kitab al-Masahif p. 23). *Others were simply forgotten* (Muslim 1050) *and the early muslims had huge differences between their recitations, so that they feared a splitting between the muslims* (Bukhari 4987). *Thats why they decided, to choose one version of what was left from the Quran and to write it down into one book* (Bukhari 4679). *So they took what was left from the Quran from stones, leaves, bones, animal-skins and the memories of different muslims* (Bukhari 4679). *Some verses were only found by particular people and no one else remembered them* (Bukhari 4679; 4986), *about other verses it gave disputes* (Bukhari 4944; Jami at Tirmidhi 3104) *and others were left out and not put in the Quran, while even the "master of the Quran", Ubay ibn Ka'b said, that they were part of it* (Bukhari 5005), *or Umar* (Abi Dawud 4418), *or Aisha* (Muslim 1452). *And some of these verses were supposedly eaten by a goat* (Ibn Majah 1944). *Ubay ibn Ka'b was one of the four recitators, from which the muslims should learn the Quran, according to Mohammed* (Bukhari 3808; 4999). *The recitation of Ubay ibn Ka'b had 116 suras, and the suras and the verses had a different order than the versions of the Quran of today* (Ibn al-Nadim, Kitab al-Fihrist p. 45). *And they had also differences in the text. For example had the verse 33,6 in Ubay's version the addition "and he is the father of them", as we can read in a the footnote of Yousef Ali in his english translation of the Quran.* *The first one of Mohammed's list of the four recitators from whom the muslims should learn the Quran was ibn Masud* (Bukhari 3808; 4999). *His recitation only had 111 suras and also in his version, the verses and suras had a different order* (Ibn al-Nadim, Kitab al-Fihrist p. 45). *And he had also differences in the text of his recitation. For example did he and Abu Darda recite Sura 92,3 this way* (Bukhari 4944): وَالذَّكَرِ وَالأُنْثَى "By the male and the female" *But in the Quran today we read:* وَمَا خَلَقَ الذَّكَرَ وَالأُنْثَى "By him who created the male and the female" *Ibn Masud, the first one on Mohammeds list of the four people, from whom the muslims should learn the Quran, disliked the Quran of Uthman so much, that he did not accept it* (Jami at Tirmidhi 3104). *You know, Uthman. The guy who decided to burn the original-manuscripts (fragments)* (Bukhari 4987) *and to destroy the 7 ahruf, from which Mohammed said they were revelations from Allah*
"For in him all the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily." - Colossians 2:9 "Without controversy, the mystery of godliness is great: God was revealed in the flesh..." -1 Timothy 3:16 "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son. They shall call his name Immanuel;" which is, being interpreted, "God with us." -Matthew 1:23 "If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on, you know him, and have seen him..."-John 14:7 "...before Abraham came into existence, I AM." - John 8:58 "looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ." - Titus 2:13 '..."We don't stone you for a good work, but for blasphemy: because you, being a man, make yourself God."' -John 10:33 "...Christ as concerning the flesh, who is over all, God..." -Romans 9:5 'Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed..."' -John 20:28 "...I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." - Revelation 22:13 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." - John 1 "The Word became flesh, and lived among us..." - John 14 "For to us a child is born. To us a son is given; and the government will be on his shoulders. His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." - Isaiah 9:6 'Jesus said, "I'm the light that's over all. I am the All. The All has come from me and unfolds toward me. Split a log; I'm there. Lift the stone, and you'll find me there."' - Gospel of Thomas, Saying 77 "His Son is the radiance of his glory, the very image of his substance..." - Hebrews 1:3 ”Have this in your mind, which was also in Christ Jesus, who, existing in the form of God..." -Philippians 2:5 'Seeing their faith, he said to him, "Man, your sins are forgiven you." The scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, "Who is this that speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?"' -Luke 5:20-21 'When I saw him, I fell at his feet like a dead man. He laid his right hand on me, saying, "Don't be afraid. I am the first and the last, and the Living one. I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. I have the keys of Death and of Hades."' - Revelation 1:17-18 Jesus received worship: "Where is he who is born King of the Jews? For we saw his star in the east, and have come to worship him." - Matthew 2:2 "They came into the house and saw the young child with Mary, his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him..." -Matthew 2:11 "When they got up into the boat, the wind ceased. Those who were in the boat came and worshiped him... " -Matthew 14:32-33 "... They came and took hold of his feet, and worshiped him." -Matthew 28:9 "He said, "Lord, I believe!" and he worshiped him.' -John 9:38 ..."Let all the angels of God worship him." -Hebrews 1:6 Now compare this to when people tried to worship people or even angels: 'I fell down before his feet to worship him. He said to me, "Look! Don't do it! I am a fellow bondservant with you and with your brothers who hold the testimony of Jesus. Worship God, for the testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy."' -Revelation 19:10 'Now I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. When I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who had shown me these things. He said to me, "See you don't do it! I am a fellow bondservant with you and with your brothers, the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God."' -Revelation 22:8-9 'When it happened that Peter entered, Cornelius met him, fell down at his feet, and worshiped him. But Peter raised him up, saying, "Stand up! I myself am also a man."' -Acts 25:26 ... And in Acts 14:8-18, St. Paul rejects worship And from the mouth of Yahweh Himself: ⚠️"I will pour on the house of David, and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplication; 👉and they will look to me they have pierced..." -Zachariah 12:10
Jesus is God, part 2 💜 'But of the Son he says, “Your throne, 👉O God👈, is forever and ever..."' -Hebrews 1:8 "AND THOU, BETHLEHEM Ephrata, art a little one among the thousands of Juda: out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be the ruler in Israel: 👉and his going forth is from the beginning, from the days of eternity." -Micah 5:2 "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever." -Hebrews 13:8 👉"For I am the Lord [Yahweh], and I change not..." -Malachi 3:6 Jesus is LORD (Yahweh): '"This is what Yahweh, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, Yahweh of Armies, says: 👉“I am the first, and I am the last;👈 and besides me there is no God."' -Isaiah 44:6 “Why does this man speak blasphemies like that? Who can forgive sins but God alone?” [👉 EXACTLY! 😂] -Mark 2:7 👉"...our God and Savior, Jesus Christ" -2 Peter 1:1 "For by him [Jesus] all things were created in the heavens and on the earth, visible things and invisible things, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things have been created through him and for him." -Colossians 1:16 "To the only God our Saviour through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory and magnificence, empire and power, before all ages, and now, and for all ages of ages. Amen." -Jude 1:25 "that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, those on earth, and those under the earth" -Philippians 2:10 "God, having in the past spoken to the fathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, has at the end of these days spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom also he made the worlds." -Hebrews 1-2 👉& don't forget Isaiah 53! 👉"...unless you believe that I am he, you will die in your sins." - John 8:24 All the best! 💜
We read in Mal.3:1: “Behold, I will send MY MESSENGER, and he shall prepare the way BEFORE ME: and THE LORD, WHOM YOU SEEK, SHALL SUDDENLY COME TO ***HIS*** TEMPLE, even the MESSENGER OF THE COVENANT, whom you delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.” Lets break this down and make it perfectly clear...... "Behold I *_(God)_* will send my messenger (??????) and he shall prepare the way before me *_(God)_* : Who was sending the messenger?...... It was *_God_* The messenger was to prepare the way for who? .......for *_God_* So *_God_* ...... sent (somebody) to prepare the way for *_God .... HIMSELF..._* and the Lord *_(God)_* , whom you seek, shall suddenly come to his *_(God's)_* temple, even the messenger of the covenant *_( the law of Moses)_* , whom you delight in: behold, he *_(God)_* shall come, saith the Lord *_(God)_* of hosts. In the passage above Malachi speaks of a messenger one that will prepare the way for the Lord, this is none other than John the Baptizer who is foretold in Isa.40:3-4. He is....... “The voice crying out in the wilderness: prepare the way of the *_Lord_* ; make straight in the desert a highway for *_OUR GOD_* .” Mt. 11:10 quotes this as a confirmation of John the Baptizer as the one who will introduce the *_LORD_* and *_OUR GOD_* . “For this is he of whom it is written: 'Behold, I send My messenger before Your face, who will prepare Your way before You.' So..... Who was the one that came after John the Baptizer? It was JESUS. But wait....According to Malachi the one that comes after John the Baptizer is the same one that made the covenant with Moses.... How can this be? Was it not God that made the covenant with Moses? Yes it was.....But it was Jesus that came after John the Baptizer and not God?.... Could Malachi be wrong? ....Or is it simply that God himself did actually come to the earth and visit his temple as Jesus right after John the Baptizer did. Exactly as Malachi said he would... Notice that Malachi tells us that the Lord himself, the one who made the covenant with Israel in the Old Testament will come to visit his temple personally and they will "BEHOLD" him *_(they would see him)_* ..... They would see who? They would see the one that made covenant with Israel. *>>>> "GOD"
In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Read all of John chapter 1. Also read Daniel Chapter 7. She will be coming in the clouds. Everyone will bow down before Him because He is deity. He is God. The world was made through Him. Anyone who does not have the Son, does not have the Father
You have to ignore the entire rest of the book of John to think that it doesn't clearly distinguish Jesus from his God. The one true God in the gospel of John is Jesus' father, not Jesus himself.
Hello. Jesus says:,,It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. 46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.“ (John 6:45-46, KJV). Jesus refers to Himself as the only One Who has seen the Father because He says:,,And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.'' (John 5:37, KJV). He meant not that He began seeing Him here on earth because He also says:,,And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.“ (John 17:5, KJV). God has revealed Himself to some men but they have not seen Him because He has not revealed to them by His divine essence. They have not seen His divine essence. Jesus Who had the glory of the Father before the world was, is the only One Who has seen the Father (John 5:37). That is because He has seen the Father's divine essence which is because Jesus shares the same divine essence with the Father. God reveals Himself to men by His uncreated divine energies, not by His divine essence which is invisible and unattainable by men. Begotten of the Father means begotten before all ages. The expression ,,Son of God" refers to the Incarnation of the Word of God which comes forth from the Father eternally and without a beginning; it does not refer to a creation of a Son of God in a human sense of the word because there cannot be another God. The Incarnated Word is One Person in two natures - divine and human. The human activities and experiences belong to the human nature. It is because Jesus is equal to the Father by the divine nature, that He is the Only Begotten Son of God (John 1:18) unlike some holy men who are called sons of God because they follow God but are not divine by nature. The Holy Trinity is referred to in the Old Testament, Genesis 18:1-3: ,,And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; 2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, 3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:'' (KJV). The three men by which He appears to Abraham, are the Three Persons of the Holy Trinity - co-existing in an inseparable unity and co-equal in dignity, and sharing one common divine essence.
@@Yasen.Dobrev Tsk tsk tsk God is a spirit a holy ghost. He cannot be seen because he does not have flesh and bones, God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth (John 4:24) Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a *spirit does not have flesh and bones*, as you see I have.” (Luke 24:39) Jesus says:,,It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. 46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.“ (John 6:45-46, KJV) What jesus mean't about this is that who follows god or who is with him has seen the father or the one true god, metaphorically. Jesus cannot see god because god is invinsible the holy ghost or the holy spirit, a spirit cannot be seen because (Luke 24:39) Everything else later
@@ppbuthole246 Quote:,,What jesus mean't about this is that who follows God or who is with him has seen the father or the one true god, metaphorically. Jesus cannot see god because god is invinsible the holy ghost or the holy spirit, a spirit cannot be seen because (Luke 24:39).'' He did not mean that because it is said:,,Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.'' (Acts 20:28, KJV). God does not have blood by His divine nature. But the Person of the One who assumed a human nature and suffered and died in it, is divine. He is everlasting:,,But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.'' (Micah 5:2). And His glory with the Father was before the world was:,,And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.“ (John 17:5, KJV). So He has seen the Father literally, He has eternally being seeing the Father's divine essence because He is of the same divine essence.
@@Yasen.Dobrev You cannot see god "literally" with your naked eye, because god is a spirit. God does not have a flesh and bone's, how can you see someone without any of those? You cannot. but now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. This is not what Abraham did. (John 8:40)
@@ppbuthole246 The Person of the Word is One but the natures are two - divine and human (Acts 20:28). He has seen the Father from eternity, before the Incarnation, i.e. He has seen Him with His divine essence. This is because He shares the same divine essence with the Father. He refers to Himself as a man (John 8:40) but His full human nature did not have its own, human person (if it had, Jesus would be just a human like all of us) but the place of a human person that we have, in Christ's humanity was taken by the Person of the Word. That is why when he was referred to as a man, He was referred to as pre-existing:"This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me." (John 1:30, KJV). By flesh He was born six months after St.John the Baptist, so His humanity was not pre-existing but it is because the Person in Whom that humanity exists, is pre-existing, that when Jesus is referred to as a man, He is referred to as pre-existing.
It's also worth considering that throughout all of the epistles from the apostles, God is referred to as our Father, and Jesus is referred to as our Lord. Is it possible Thomas is referring to both of them in this expression?
What about John 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not 14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth Maybe this is the darkness that comprehended it not.
Jesus in Matthew 7:22, 23 tells us there are more than one Jesus, 2 Thessalonians 2:4 tells us a son who sits in the temple of God showing himself that he is God is the son of perdition and 1 Corinthians 3:16 tells us that we are the temple of God. Who sits in your temple is it a son showing himself that he's God or is it the holy spirit? Matthew 12:31 KJV - Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. Don't fall for the lies from God the Son who blasphemes the holy spirit
1. There is room for Thomas to have reacted and exclaimed about a third party with that language. 2. Jesus himself says he is not God in John 10: Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’? If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came-and Scripture cannot be set aside- what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” Jesus makes 3 important points: 1. Others have been called God simply because they bore His word to the people, as Jesus is doing. 2. His oneness with the Father is from doing his works. 3. Scripture is final.
@Castle The charge was blasphemy for claiming to be Messiah but then again that wasn’t truly what those in power believed they just wanted to silence someone who was going to tip the apple cart and disrupt the swell gig they had for themselves at the Sanhedrin. Scripture belonging to the 1st century BC prophesied as much: (especially verses 10-20) *Wisdom 2* (CEB) 1 By reasoning in their twisted way, the ungodly said: Our lives are short and painful. There is no antidote for death; no one has come back from the grave. 2 All of us came into being by chance. When our lives are over, it will be just as if we had never been. The breath in our nostrils is mere smoke. Reason is just a spark in the beating of our hearts. 3 When that spark is extinguished, the body will be turned into ashes. The spirit will evaporate into thin air. 4 Over time, our names will be forgotten. No one will remember our deeds. Our lives will pass away like the last wisps of a cloud. Our lives will be dispersed like a morning mist chased away by the sun and weighed down by the day’s heat. 5 Our time here is like a shadow passing by. There’s no turning back from death. It has been sealed, and no one will alter it. 6 Come then! Let’s enjoy all the good things of life now. Let’s enjoy creation to the fullest as we did in our youth. 7 Let’s drink our fill of expensive wines and enjoy fine perfumes. Let’s pluck every fresh blossom of spring as we pass by. 8 Let’s crown ourselves with rosebuds before they wither. 9 Let’s make sure that no meadow is left untouched by our high-spirited fun. Let’s leave evidence everywhere that we made the most of this life, because this life is all we have. 10 Let’s take advantage of the day laborer who does what’s right. Let’s not be afraid to abuse the widow. Let’s show that we couldn’t care less for the gray hair of our elders. 11 May strength be our only law and determine what’s right, for it’s clear to us that what is weak is worthless. 12 Let’s lie in ambush for the one who does what is right. He’s a nuisance to us. He always opposes our actions. He blames us because we have failed to keep the Law. He condemns us for turning our backs on our upbringing. 13 He boasts of his knowledge of God. He even calls himself the Lord’s servant.[a] 14 He exposes our secret plans. Just to look at him makes us sick. 15 His life isn’t like the lives of others. His ways are completely different. 16 He thinks we’re frauds. He avoids us and our actions as though we’re unclean. Instead, he blesses the final days of those who do what’s right. He even boasts that God is his Father. 17 Let’s see if his words are true. Let’s put him to the extreme test and see what happens. 18 If this man who does the right thing is indeed God’s son, then God will assist him. God will rescue him from the hand of those who oppress him. 19 Let’s test him by assaulting and torturing him. Then we will know just how good he really is. Let’s test his ability to endure pain. 20 Let’s condemn him to a disgraceful death: according to him, God should show up to protect him. 21 This was how the ungodly reasoned, but they were mistaken. Their malice completely blinded them. 22 They didn’t know of God’s secret plan. They didn’t hope for the reward that holiness brings. They didn’t consider the prize they would win if they kept their whole beings free from stain. 23 God created humans to live forever. He made them as a perfect representation of his own unique identity. 24 Death entered the universe only through the devil’s envy. Those who belong to the devil’s party experience death.
@Castle To be more accurate, the following are the charges made against Jesus Christ by those at the Sanhedrin: Jesus is generally quiet, does not defend himself, rarely responds to the accusations, and is found guilty of: violating the Sabbath law (by healing on the Sabbath); threatening to destroy the Jewish Temple; practicing sorcery, exorcising people by the power of demons and; claiming to be the Messiah. He is then taken to Pontius Pilate, the governor of Roman Judaea, *to be tried for claiming to be the King of the Jews.*
@Castle On his cross his charge was recorded in Latin as “I.N.R.I” which stood for “Iesus Nazarenus, Rex Iudaeorum” (Jesus the Nazarene, King of the Jews) --
I have a video request: there is a channel called thefriendlyatheist1 with a series on all the mistakes in the book of numbers I would like to see your view on it.
Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God! Even the translators understood that Thomas was surprised and shocked cuz they put an exclamation mark ... If you know Greek you would know that they don't have exclamation mark in Greek.
I tell the young folks, who would you most believe? A man standing on the street corner shouting "I'm God", or a man who raises the dead, gives sight to the blind, hearing to the deaf, turns water to wine, walks through walls, etc, etc and quietly demonstrates and articulates He has all the attributes of God. Is he God because He loudly said it? Or God because he demonstrated, articulated and proved it? This is why some Jews tried to stone Him.
Unfortunately you appear willing to misunderstand Christ just as the Pharisees did… 🤦♂️ None of his speech or miracles were meant to testify to him literally being God but instead they were meant to testify to him being the Messiah. The Messiah was prophesied to be a great teacher who would demonstrate the proper understanding of scripture to the Jews then to educate the gentiles as well… Christ’s miracles literally were the opposite of the curses that Moses warned them that they would experience for disobeying the Law in Deuteronomy 28. Christ’s resurrection was meant to settle the disputes amongst the differing theological camps of his era (see Acts 23:8). Peace be with you 🙏 May The Most High to increase us both in knowledge and understanding.
@@moosa86 John the Baptist said, Behold the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world. Jesus death fulfilled all the old testament types, sacrifices and prophesies, His Apostles wrote of how his death atoned for sin. Jesus said unless you believe in me, you will die in your sin. Spiritually we are to eat of his flesh, and drink of his blood.
@@moosa86 how can Jesus be the Messiah if he isn't God? The old testament teaches us the Messiah would be God. Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and *BESIDE ME 👉🏼THERE IS NO SAVIOUR* 👈🏼
@@daniellowry660 okay Yahushua also said himself that he was not God but he was in the father and the father was in him, the word that he spoke was not his but the father who spoke through him.
Let’s keep in mind that Thomas was absent during the first meeting Jesus had with his remaining disciples and he (Thomas) was a very “doubtful” person. As he laid eyes on Jesus he was shocked; very surprised, and exclaimed “My Lord and My God (calling out to Jehovah or Yahweh)” as a result of his state of mind. Jesus further addressed Thomas’ doubtful habit. “Blessed is a man who haven’t seen yet believe.” ~ John 20:28
The reference in 1 John 5:20 pertains to God the Father, not Jesus as God Almighty. If Jesus were indeed God Almighty, this would have been explicitly stated in the Bible. Instead of insisting on the idea that Jesus is God, we should acknowledge the Bible's portrayal of Jesus as a Messenger, a righteous man, and the Messiah. It is important to recognize that God, being omnipotent, does not need to manifest as a human. He can simply command his creation as he sees fit. He communicates with us through messengers and prophets, guiding us on the true path. God is incomparable, surpassing even the stature of messengers and prophets.
What about this then? Isaiah 9:6-7 CSB [6] For a child will be born for us, a son will be given to us, and the government will be on his shoulders. He will be named Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. [7] The dominion will be vast, and its prosperity will never end. He will reign on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish and sustain it with justice and righteousness from now on and forever. The zeal of the Lord of Armies will accomplish this.
In 1 John 5,20 Jesus is described with three divine titles, that also elsewhere are used for Him, in Johns writings. *1. John 5,20* And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son *Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.* *We are in Him that is true, in God, by being in His Son Jesus Christ, because Jesus is the true one* (Rev 3,7), *God* (John 1,1) *and the eternal life* (1 John 1,2). *Rev 3,7* “And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: ‘These things saith He that is holy, *He that is true,* He that hath the key of David, He that openeth and no man shutteth, and shutteth and no man openeth: *John 1,1* In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and *the Word was God* *1 John 1,2* the life was made manifest, and we have seen it, and testify to it and proclaim to you *the eternal life,* which was with the Father and was made manifest to us-
@@belenmazzeo8799 Isaiah 9:6 never says it’s a Messianic prophecy; and ‘El Gibbor’ (‘mighty God’) can also be translated as “Mighty Hero” as it is done in PLURAL form in Ezekiel 32:21-unless you want to believe in many gods?… Also Jesus was never even called by those titles. In fact contrary to the ‘Prince of Peace’, he stated: “I have NOT come to bring peace, but a SWORD (of division).” So either this is a false prophecy, or it doesn’t pertain to Jesus in the way you think it does. Finally you should read the context of Isaiah 9:6-it is clearly referring to the war between Israel and Assyria and the sign that would be given to the king that Israel & Judah would succeed and triumph. Only later did Christians look back at this in a desperate attempt to find prophecies about Jesus and use it to their advantage. As Muslims we love & respect Christ Jesus, the son of the blessed Mary-and indeed I have no problem even believing that he is prophesied in parts of the Bible-but Isaiah 9:6 is not one of them, and the language and context of the passage completely shatters any understanding that it is. And please take note of what God Almighty solemnly declares to you in His final revelation of the Qur’an: *_”O followers of the Scripture! Do not cross the limits in your religion, nor say anything about God but the truth! The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, is only God’s messenger, and His word which He cast into Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers, and do not speak of a trinity. Stop-it is for your own good! God is one sole divinity, who is far above having a son. He owns everything in the heavens and everything on earth-and God alone is sufficient to sustain all things.”_* ~ The Recitation [Al-Qur’ān], Sūrah 4:171 Peace/Shalom
Not sure if I'm missing context or not, but... is he claiming that κυριος is a verb? It's a MNS noun so of course it isn't a vocative verb (which would be imperative, not vocative. Only nouns can be vocative, but imperative verbs function similarly). He may be referring to either απεκριθη (he answered) or ειπεν (he said), which are both indicative not imperative. The imperative is not "direct" in whatever sense he is trying to portray, but rather it is a direct address to that person. Like a command, entreaty, question, etc. Those verbs would not make grammatical sense if they were imperative, as there is no direct address being made. If they were imperative, then Thomas would be commanding Jesus to say "my Lord and my God." As I mentioned, they are in the indicative mood, which means they correspond to reality (not that they are real necessarily, but they aren't a wish or hope). The verb's mood does not supply information regarding who is the direct object or recipient. That information is supplied by the dative noun αυτω (to him), and the "him" in this case refers to Jesus. This comes from the context of the previous verses. Nothing in this verse, ESPECIALLY not the lack of a vocative verb (which again would not fit in the sentence and would be imperative, not vocative) suggests a shift in who Thomas is talking/referring to. This is an example of someone who has never taken a Greek class, but has only picked up Strong's very mediocre lexicon and has visited a website or two. It's embarrassing for him and for Islam.
@@moosa86 Lmao what do you think a declension is, and why do you think that's relevant to this discussion? These nouns being 2nd declension don't have any bearing on the points brought ip in these videos or my comments. You clearly lack knowledge on this topic, and I suggest you back away from it unless you want to continue bringing shame to your god and his false prophet
@Brickeh Wow… you talk a big game. As though you’re very knowledgeable on this subject 🤔 hopefully it’s not all a bluff to try to intimidate others into accepting your claim? Prove your knowledge on this subject and teach me as though I’m a novice student of the Greek language. Walk me through how changing the ending of the noun Kyrios would affect the meaning of the verse 🙏 ----- Lord willing I benefit from your knowledge.
@Brickeh A declension is the varied ending of a noun that changes (and follows grammatical rules) in the Greek language based on the case that the noun is in. There are 5 cases in the Greek language along with plural versions of the noun in each case. The ending of the noun denotes the case and the context of the noun in the sentence. Is this correct according to your knowledge?
@@moosa86 I will try to lay this out again in as simple terms as possible. Firstly, in the original video, the Muslim apologist refers to the VERB not being vocative. When he says this, the word κυριος is on the screen. Κυριος, as you know, is a noun, not a verb. If he truly was talking about a verb, and not κυριος, then he was likely referring to ειπεν (he said). He argues that, because ειπεν is not vocative, it is not a direct address to Jesus. Vocative is not a verbal case, but imperative would be the verbal form of a direct address. If the verb were imperative, though, Thomas would not be addressing Jesus as Lord and God, but rather he would be commanding Jesus to say "my Lord and my God." This clearly does not fit the passage, as Thomas is making an exclamation, not commanding Jesus to do anything. It seems, though, that the Muslim apologist was speaking of the NOUN κυριος and NOT ειπεν. He claims that, because κυριος is not vocative, it is not directly addressed to Jesus. However, the vocative case is actually more rare in scripture, and this probably would not be a proper place to use it. If these verbs were vocative, Thomas would not be describing Jesus nor making an exclamation, but he would be asking or commanding something of him (i.e. "my Lord and my God, do this"). Κυριος is not vocative, but nominative. The primary use of nominative nouns is to denote the subject of the sentence (though there are also many other uses). In this case, the subject of the clause is already established to be Thomas (implied in the "he said"), so are there then three subjects? Certainly not! The nominative nouns κυριος and θεος here are used as an address in the place of a vocative! Take any book on Koine Greek grammar that describes further uses of Greek noun cases (I am using Köstenberger's "Going Deeper with New Testament Greek"), and you'll find that nominatives in this sentence structure are used in the place of an address. On this verse, Granville Sharp (you should know that name if you know biblical Greek at all) wrote that these two nominatives of address both refer to the dative αυτω which follos the verb ειπεν. And, of course, αυτω (to him) refers to Jesus, who had just addressed Thomas. Thus, the phrase "ο κυριος μου και ο θεος μου" is in fact a direct address to Jesus, who is the object of the sentence and the recipient of the nominatives of address. So here is a summary of all the Muslim apologist got incorrect: 1. he misidentified a noun as a verb. 2. He claimed that only a vocative would be an address to Jesus. 3. He did not understand that a vocative would likely not fit the sentence, as it would function more as a question or command given to Jesus. 4. He did not know that nominatives can take the form of an address (another example of this is found in Ephesians 5:25, which says "οι ανδρες, αγαπατε τας γυναικας" (Husbands, love your wives." Here we see both examples of a nominative of address (husbands), and an imperative verb (love), which is a command for the husbands). No matter how you translate this verse, though, it is important to note that the case for Jesus' divinity does not hinge on this one passage. You would have to look at all passages and debunk them one-by-one. Even if Thomas is only saying an expression of sorts rather than addressing Jesus (though I hope I have clearly shown that he was indeed addressing him), then you still have a risen Jesus. Did your false prophet Muhammed rise again from the dead? No, he died like a dog and his body rots in the earth to this day.
Nope-Titus 2:13 simply calls Jesus the “glory” OF God. Not God himself. Paul clearly made a separate between God and Jesus (see 1 Corinthians 8:6 and many others). Yet the fact that you have to use the figure of Paul-a mysterious man who never even met Jesus, but even cursed & fought with the closest disciples of Christ, and contradicted many of Jesus’s own teachings-just to prove your most basic theology, is truly an error and a folly. And I humbly urge you to return to what Christ himself said: *_”The most important commandment, Jesus answered, is this: ‘Hear O Israel! The Lord OUR God, the Lord is ONE!’”_* ~ The Gospel of Mark 12:29 *_Jesus replied, “Why do you call ME good? NO ONE is good except GOD alone!”_* ~ Mark 10:18 *_Jesus said, “Whoever does the will of God-that is my brother and my sister and my mother!”_* ~ Mark 3:35 - And many other such passages, which show that Jesus was a human being sent BY God with the same exact message as all the other prophets & messengers before him-which is to serve God alone and repent before God’s Kingdom & Judgement Day arrives. Serve God alone-the Creator-and not the creation. Peace.
@@celestialknight2339 not true at all. The same wording was used in John 20:28. Thomas identified Jesus as his LORD and GOD. How do you reconcile that? Additionally, read Titus 2:10 for context. Jesus is identified as “God our Savior” As for Mark 10:18, when the person addresses Jesus as "good teacher," Jesus responds by questioning why he calls him good. This is because Jesus was prompting the man to reflect on the meaning of "good" and encouraging deeper consideration. Rather than outright denying divinity, Jesus may be subtly inviting the man to recognize the source of true goodness, thus prompting contemplation on the divine nature of Jesus' identity within the context of his overall ministry and teachings. This interpretation aligns with the idea that Jesus often used questions to prompt reflection and convey deeper spiritual truths
@@celestialknight2339I do realize that Jesus was a human being sent by THE FATHER God. That doesn’t mean he always existed with the Father and Spirit before creation. Haven’t you read John 1:1? The Word (Jesus) was GOD
@@Sossoholic Titus 2:10 never identifies Jesus as that “God and Savior” figure-you are literally just assuming that based on your prior beliefs. Paul was clearly talking about the Father, whom he constantly calls God over and over again. Sadly, you are just reading your desires INTO the text and interpreting things with a massive filter over your eyes. Plus, you still have the whole “Paul” issue to deal with in the first place, which you never addressed. It’s no wonder why many Christians themselves have ended up rejecting Paul-as they too recognize how he maligned the disciples and contradicted Jesus’s teachings like black contradicts white. The Ebionites did so first; and now many modern Christians have as well for similar reasons. The clash between their teachings is simply as clear as day. As for John 20:28, you have the same problem of non-trustworthy sources. How do you know that the Gospel of John is a historically reliable source of information? You don’t. You just accept it because it was passed down to you through the generations. But as many scholars & historians have now discovered (Christian scholars included), the Gospel of John is more of an embellished literary work and “poetic” theology that doesn’t really represent what Jesus said or did, but rather what the author wanted to BELIEVE about him. The conservative Evangelical Bible scholar Dr. Mike Licona (who is a passionate defender of Jesus) was even forced to admit that John’s Gospel is “elastic” (a fancy word that means ‘stretching the truth’). This is no surprise since we now know that John’s Gospel was written the latest among the 4 Gospels (~70-100AD, DECADES after Christ) and its message is RADICALLY different than the previous synoptic Gospels of Mark, Matthew, and Luke, which all center around Jesus’s message about the Kingdom of God & serving the Lord, rather than exalting himself (which John does), and which also lack the countless “I Am” declarations that John’s Gospel is utterly impregnated with. If the historical Palestinian prophet named Jesus ACTUALLY made these enormous claims, then it is unbelievable and absurd that neither Mark, nor Matthew, nor Luke thought of it important to mention. ONLY John did. Coincidence?…No, rather - _fabrication._ As for the Thomas episode in particular, this is a great example of the point, since NONE of the earlier 3 Gospels have this strange story. It was clearly embellished by the anonymous author of John (again, written decades after Jesus) to bolster his image and embellish Jesus. Not only that, but the author of John messed up, because in Luke’s Gospel it actually has ALL of the disciples meeting Jesus in the upper room in the same exact event. But John (or whoever the real author was) changed the story to make Thomas ABSENT from the meeting, and so he had to come again later and finally saw Jesus-where he then made the famous “My Lord and my God” claim. It was clearly an intentional change to the story in order to INSERT the author’s theological agenda. We see the same thing with the famous “Story of the Adulteress” (John 7:53-8:11) which has now been declared by nearly every Bible scholar & historian (Christians included) to be a later addition & forgery into the Gospel of John. I’m sorry, but you need to deal with the facts-the New Testament HAS been corrupted. And the evidence starts with the 4 Gospels themselves (and their evolution of Jesus as you go down each one from Mark (the earliest account) all the way to John (the latest account). The same response applies to John 1:1 and other such passages, which once again ONLY exist in John, and none of the other Gospels. Finally, your interpretation of Mark 10:18 is clearly ad hoc and unreasonable. It’s crystal clear that Jesus was simply being humble and reminding the man not to give glory or goodness to himself, but to God alone who is the ultimate source of these things. But in doing so, we can clearly extract that Jesus thought of himself separate & distinct from God Almighty-which is exactly what we read throughout the Gospels (even in John), where he is non-stop called a “prophet” and “the Messiah” and NEVER “God” or “the 2nd person of the Trinity.” It’s almost like everyone misinterpreted who Jesus was (while looking at him in the face and speaking to him), but only the later Church understood who he was. It’s impossible. You also never responded to Mark 12:29 which is crystal clear. God is ONE. Jesus says it with a clear tongue, and even calls God “OUR Lord” (hence including himself in the statement). And right after he was done talking, the Jewish man he was speaking to repeated his words, and said “You are right that God is ONE and there is NO OTHER BESIDES HIM.” - And instead of Jesus taking the opportunity to correct him and say “Actually we are a Trinity together” - he said “You are near to the Kingdom of God.” Jesus praised the man’s wisdom and affirmed what he said. Pure & absolute monotheism. Nothing could be clearer. Finally, let’s go back to John. Look at this verse when Jesus is praying to God the Father: *_”Now THIS is Eternal Life: that they know You, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus the Messiah whom You have SENT!”_* _(John 17:3)_ In this verse (which appears in John, which is clearly embellished & most likely historically unreliable)-we nonetheless find Jesus CLEARLY identifying the Father as “the only true God”. So the question is: If the Father alone is the ONLY true God, then how can Jesus Christ (whom “He sent”) ALSO be a true god besides Him? Did Christ (peace & blessings be upon him) make an error or contradict himself? Please clarify. Peace.
how about at the very beginning of John where it says in the beginning was the word. the word was with God and the word was God and then goes on to describe Jesus.
@@14-Peaks Isaiah 35:4-6 says God would come and save us. Isaiah tells what God would do,Jesus all of Isaiah 35:4-6. John 1 said the one who came and was in the world made it, the God of Israel said I have made the earth, yet John and Paul tells me Jesus did. Scripture says there is only one God and one creator. So Jesus is the God of Israel come.
@@coxfordGamer bud! you said "John said God laid down his own life for his church." *do you follow john or JESUS's teaching?* -- - - - you also stated"Acts 20:28 teaches God shed his own blood for his church." *who is speaking here?*
@@coxfordGamer bud! you claimed "Jesus is the almighty God" do not state what Paul || Isaiah || John says *Can you show where Jesus himself claims to be god?*
Two witnesses proof. So John is testifying to what Thomas was saying, but the response of Jesus also show that Jesus was testifying about what Thomas said. Do you agree IP?
"My Lord=Jesus, My God=the Father. Its that simple. When he said my Lord it meant it was his rabbi but the God who was with the rabbi was the Father himself(the Spirit gave him Revelation the Father was in and around Jesus) right at that moment. This is what the Spirit of truth revealed to me. He made it known to me. The Father and I are one" has to do with we are of the same mind.
John 8:28 For if you might not believe that I am, you will die because of your sins.” John 8:58 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
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This is also disregarding the fact that Jews will not use 'God' as an exclamation..
Well, today they don't. I am not sure that was a taboo 2000 years ago. (Really, I don't know if it was or not)
Do not take the name of the Lord in vain…I think that’s their basis for that..
Not just that, Thomas not using vocative does NOT mean he is calling out to the Father because then he would use vocative as well because that's the case for when you are calling someone
@@fluffysheapQuite the opposite.
They refused to say the word "I Am" . Because it was what God called himself. They revered God's name back then.
Now it's normal to insult God's name with abbreviations such as omg , omfg etc.
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God is just a title. 🤡
Stay classy, Islam.
Sadly never gunna happen because when their trash arguments don't work they resort to violence
That's a joke .
They never were...
Islam never was dude 🤣. Mohammed would be proud
Islam = violence
Appreciate your content... Keep pointing to the way, the truth, and the life
He’s not speaking truth don’t be mislead brother they come as wolves in sheep clothing to deceive
@@AlwaysPush. ur describing urself , leave.
How would you figure if you don’t mind me asking ? The father son and holy spirt is all one in the same not here to argue may the most high bless you and open your eyes 🙌🏾🙏
@@AlwaysPush.These Muslims entertain me. Here's one point: Why would God give Jesus supernatural powers and the abilities to do miracles if he was a poser pretending to be the son of God? If he made people worship him even though he wasn't God? Islam is so BS, get over it.
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Let end this explin to me john 17:3
Jesus look at sky and say
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
Father is god and jesus is messager of god
You will never found in bible that jesus say i am god or worship me
Open your eyes and look for true
Let God arise and let his enemies be scattered
Shout out Buju Banton..
Classic muslim
JW reasoning is pretty similar too...
Sadly, a lot of self proclaimed Christians as well who deny the Jesus' divinity. People who deny the trinity is common.
@@falleneldor not nearly common enough
@@fluffysheap Lord willing, they will all convert to the true Orthodox faith one day...Lord have mercy ☦️
Jesus isn’t the Almighty. He himself states he is Gods Son. Jehovah is Almighty alone.
The Trinitarian doctrine is flawed.
There is no almighty in it. The Father CANNOT be Almighty without the Son or Holy Spirit as a triune Godhead.
The same with the son and Holy Spirit cannot be Almighty without the Father… this shows reliance and an inability.
No one can be Almighty in the Trinity doctrine. So there is no Almighty.
The Bible very clearly shows Jehovah ALONE is Almighty
when you know greek ,its so funny seeing people make bad takes using your language
Ugh I wish I knew Greek. Looks hard to learn!!!
@@catherinethompson6531 indeed it is. I thank God I'm greek and can understand the original verses.
@@OrthodoxMetalhead that’s awesome. Do you feel like the English version is translated sufficiently?
@@catherinethompson6531 depends on the version, for example the NIV seems pretty bad to me. my favourites are the ESV and especially the NKJV is the most accurate i believe
@@OrthodoxMetalhead oh wow okay. I normally stick to NKJV and when I need a more direct verse to understand better I’ll use NLT but I did notice one verse that the NLT translated that no other version had the same way that completely changed the meaning of the verse and I was shocked. (I totally forget where) So I know to be cautious now
Without lies Islam dies
Good quote
FYI: Islam is the fulfillment of the prophecy in Isaiah 60:7 and the Quran is the *“new song to YHWH”* in *Isaiah 42:10…*
*Isaiah 60:7* (Lexham)
All the *flocks of Kedar* shall be gathered to you;
the *rams of Nebaioth* shall serve you.
They shall present a sacrifice for favor on my altar,
and *I will glorify my honorable house.*
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Pssst… the “honorable house” that God promises to “glorify” is the same house that Moses made pilgrimage to while learning and working for his Father-in-Law, Jethro/Raguel prior to returning to Egypt to free his people…
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(it is the “house” that the phylacteries are modeled after)
@@moosa86 incorrect but hopefully you'll see that before it's too late. Regardless of whether or not you do, you will bow down to Jesus and proclaim Him to be God of God, Lord of Lords, and savior of all mankind.
@TheFReeFRiesss
Oh really?… wow okay 👍
Out of curiosity you have any scriptural basis for your views?
(or are you only basing them on church doctrine that you’ve internalized?)
The Islamic covenant is the “double portion” owed to Abraham’s “firstfruit” (Ishmael’s descendants) based on Deuteronomy 21:15-17…
*Deuteronomy 21:15-17* (Lexham)
[15] a man has two wives, and the one is loved and the other one is disliked and the one loved and the one that is disliked have borne for him sons, if it happens that the firstborn son belongs to the one that is disliked, [16] nevertheless it will be the case that on the day of bestowing his inheritance upon his sons, he will not be allowed to treat as the firstborn son the son of the beloved wife in preference to the son of the disliked wife, who is the firstborn son. [17] But he shall acknowledge the firstborn son of the disliked wife by giving him a *double portion* of all that he has, for he is the *firstfruit of his vigor;* to him is the legal claim of the birthright.
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The New Testament even alludes to the fulfillment of Deuteronomy 18:18 in between appearances of Jesus Christ:
Please read the following New Testament
passages carefully 🙏
*John 1:19-25*
[19] And this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent[a] priests and Levites from Jerusalem so that they could ask him, “Who are you?” [20] And he confessed-and he did not deny, and confessed-“I am not the Christ!” [21] And they asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?” And he said, “I am not!” “Are you *THE PROPHET?”* [b] And he answered, “No!” [22] Then they said to him, “Who are you, so that we can give an answer to those who sent us? What do you say about yourself?”
[23] He said,
“I am ‘the voice of one crying out in the wilderness,
“Make straight the way of the Lord,”’[c]
just as Isaiah the prophet said.” [24] (And they had been sent from the Pharisees.) [25] And they asked him and said to him, “Why then are you baptizing, if you are not the Christ, nor Elijah, nor *THE PROPHET?”*
notes:
[a] Some manuscripts have “sent to him”
[b] *A reference to the “Prophet like Moses” of Deut **18:15** (see Acts 3:22)*
[c] A quotation from Isa 40:3
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*Acts 3:17-22*
[17] And now, brothers, I know that you acted in ignorance, just as your rulers did also. [18] But the things which God foretold through the mouth of all the prophets, that his Christ would suffer, he has fulfilled in this way. [19] Therefore repent and turn back, so that your sins may be blotted out, [20] so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and he may send the Christ appointed for you-Jesus, [21] whom *heaven must receive UNTIL the times of the restoration of all things, about which God spoke through the mouth of his holy prophets* from earliest times. [22] Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You will listen to him in everything that he says to you.
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Please note (in John 1) that the temple priests understood “THE PROPHET” (fulfillment of Deuteronomy 18:18) to be a separate individual from “THE CHRIST” 🧐
Also note that St. Peter informs those at the Temple that Christ will not return (2nd coming) until the fulfillment of Deuteronomy 18:18 has first taken place… 🤔
I just want God to return to save us from ourselves already
Me too . Dont worry hes coming at the right time. Keep faith.
We are only 2nd to 1st to the devil as our own enemy's!!!
Praise the Lord, as he has mercy on our enemies.
That servant speaking in John 13:16 will never be God
Where did your god go?
Although sounding intelligent and somewhat sophisticated they're really making a glide path of non-existence since they want to be without you
Intelligent but also totally dishonest
This is just a comment to trigger the algorithm.
So is this
And this
And this
But not this one! 😅
Well it got recommended to me.
So I guess it worked.
Kinda hard to argue with John 8:58, “ before Abraham was, I AM.”
Yeah but these Jesus deity deniers will come up with something out of context to explain that verse lol. I have seen them do it too lol
Ever heard of something called “prophetic perfect tense?”
It’s a linguistic motif that’s used throughout the Bible (OT and NT).
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This verse was a stumbling block for many different gentile theologians who wrote books explaining the faith to Christians who weren’t familiar with Hebraic expressions. It led to many different theories about pre-existence, etc (see Origen).
John 8:24 is the best example. Jesus also tells us that believing he is the great I AM is salvific.
John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: *FOR IF YE BELIEVE NOT THAT 👉🏼 I AM HE👈🏼 YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS*
It doesn't get ☝🏼 any clearer than that.
Thomas certainly understood that Jesus is God. 👇🏼
John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, *MY LORD AND 👉🏼 MY GOD* 👈🏼
JESUS ☝🏼 IS GOD.
Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord , and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand THAT 👉🏼 *I AM HE* 👈🏼 before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isaiah 43:13 Yea, before the day was 👉🏼 *I AM HE* 👈🏼 and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?
Isaiah 46:4 And even to your old age 👉🏼 *I AM HE* 👈🏼 and even to hoar hairs will I carry you: I have made, and I will bear; even I will carry, and will deliver you.
Isaiah 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: *therefore they shall know in that day that 👉🏼I AM HE* 👈🏼 that doth speak: behold, it is I.
Isaiah 41:4 Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? *I the Lord , THE FIRST, AND 👉🏼WITH👈🏼 THE LAST; 👉🏼I AM HE* 👈🏼
Isaiah 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, *my called; 👉🏼 I AM HE 👈🏼 I AM THE FIRST, I ALSO AM THE LAST* 👈🏼
Revelation 1:11 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. *SAYING, 👉🏼I AM👈🏼 Alpha and Omega, 👉🏼THE FIRST AND THE LAST* 👈🏼and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
JESUS 👇🏼 IS GOD
John 4:26 Jesus saith unto her, 👉🏼 *I* 👈🏼 that speak unto thee 👉🏼 *AM HE* 👈🏼
John 13:19 Now I tell you before it come, that, *when it is come to pass, ye may BELIEVE THAT I AM HE* 👈🏼
John 18:5-6, 8 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. *Jesus saith unto them, 👉🏼 I AM HE* And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.
6 As soon then as he had said unto them, *I AM HE* 👈🏼 they went backward, and fell to the ground.
8 Jesus answered, *I have told you that 👉🏼I AM HE* if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way:
Revelation 1:18 👉🏼 *I AM HE* that liveth, and was dead and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that *I AM HE* 👈🏼 which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
JESUS ☝🏼 IS GOD.
Isaiah 55:11 SHALL MY WORD be that goeth forth out of my mouth: IT SHALL NOT RETURN UNTO ME VOID, *but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing WHERETO I SENT IT*
Jesus is God ☝🏼
@@__Man_ who is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit
@@__Man_ how can Jesus be the only begotten of God if he isn't God? Cows don't beget horses. Cows beget cows.
Short answer: Yes
Long answer: Yes, sir.
Thanks for your channel
God bless you and yours IP......Grace and peace to the Christian family.
Gilly wife of Mark
Your doing great work mate. It’s very much appreciated
Jesus is God ❤
Jesus is not God 100% proof @
I'm Christian. Jesus is the son of God, the first born, the prophesized Messiah. Jesus is the saviors, Jesus is a judge. But Jesus is not God bro.
The word was God could also be translated to The word was king.
The word was judge.. etc... Jesus was never called Yahweh.
Colossians 1:15
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creativity.
how can God be the firstborn?
Also the word for God in Hebrew is Elohim.
but Judges, Kings, Angels were also called Elohim.
Are they God too?
Of course not, Jesus was never called Yahweh. Yahweh was the only name of God, the creator of all things.
Elohim can be used for God as well as for kings, judges and angels.
The Greek name Theos is the same name as Elohim, but Theos was never used to refer to Yahweh.
So, my brother, you are a little deceived, study more Hebrew and Greek and be honest with yourself. Thank you, God bless.
in another translation
Who is the image of the invisible God, the first begotten of all creation;
how can God be born?
@@AbrahamicBrotherhood okay heretic 👍
@SheepOfChrist818 That's philosophy talk brother and a forced interpretation. Jesus was the first born is what the scripture says AND that everything was created through him and for him. Don't try to change the scripture or alter, that's sinful.
@SheepOfChrist818 I AM A FOLLOWER OF ONE TRUE GOD THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE, trinitarians need to stop lying about God. Jesus is chosen by God, he is the messiah BUT HE IS NO WAY GOD THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE. That's just blasphemy, How can satan tempt God? So Satan tempted God the creator of the universe?
Why did Jesus tell his disciples after the resurrection that he is going to Their Father and His father?? His God and Their God??
@SheepOfChrist818 Nope you're still forcing interpretations. Why did did Jesus refer to himself the son of God? why didn't Jesus say. I am God in the flesh? why did Jesus have a different will than God??
The Ethiopians have the book of Enoch in their bible, It literally makes it clear that the trinity is false, The book is 300-400 years before Jesus.
[48.2-10] And at that hour that Son of Man was named in the presence of the Lord of the spirits, and his name before the the One to Whom belongs the time before time. Yes, before the sun and the signs were created, before the stars of the heaven were made, his name was named before the Lord of the spirits. He shall be a staff to the righteous whereon to stay themselves and not fall, and he shall be the light of the gentiles and the hope of those who are troubled of heart. All who dwell on earth shall fall down and worship before him, and will praise and bless and celebrate with song the Lord of the spirits. For this reason has he been chosen and hidden before Him, before the creation of the world and for ever more. The wisdom of the Lord of the spirits has revealed him to the holy and righteous; for he has preserved the lot of the righteous, because they have hated and despised this world of unrighteousness, and have hated all its works and ways in the name of the Lord of the spirits: for in his name they are saved, and according to his good pleasure has it been in regard to their life.
Glory to the Lord
Keep up the good work!
Nice work IP
Also, the fact that this Muslim says that Thomas was talking to the Father (which he wasn’t) disproves Islam by his own admission. The qur’an teaches that allah has no children and is a father to no one (Sura 5:18; 6:101; 9:30; 19:88-93). I love when Muslims prove that their own book is false while attempting to attack Christian doctrine.
We are so lucky to have you
One might even say blessed
Thank you for posting this!!!
amazing amazing amazing, God bless you all.
Thanks for including the Mike Lacona source, this looks like a really great resource for the linguistic analysis side of this topic
People who pick up a Vines or Strong back in the day and thought they knew hebrew 😂😂 I was like that…but learned to appreciate the opinion of scholars who take the time to learn it 🤓
I remember a Muslim who used Blueletterbible (I think it's Strong definition), and tired to claim that Gune meant "woman of any age".
Checked it might be Thayer's Greek Lexicon, but still.
Great work, thank you! Praying the Lord continues to work through you!
Gott mit uns ❤️🌟
In the same gospel of John Christ says: “If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.” (Joh 14:7). He also says: “Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.” (Joh 14:10-11).
The Father was in Christ, Christ is the express image of God(the Father), Christ spoke the words The Father told him to speak.
Yes god can speak though anyone. The same gospel of john... You can find alot of unitarian theology that is biblical.
Acts 10:38 (NIV)
38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.
Hebrews 3:1 (NIV)
3 Therefore, holy brothers and sisters, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, whom we acknowledge as our apostle and high priest.
1 Timothy 2:5 (NIV)
5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,
1 John 4:14 (NIV)
14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.
Romans 8:34 (NIV)
34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died-more than that, who was raised to life-is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.
1 Corinthians 11:3 (NIV)
3 But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
John 10:29 (NIV)
29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.
John 14:28 (NIV)
28 “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
Matthew 19:17 (NIV)
17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
John 17:21 (NIV)
21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
1 Corinthians 8:6 (NIV)
6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
Matthew 28:18 (NIV)
18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
he positively denies himself to be the author of his miraculous works, but refers them to the Father, or the holy spirit of God. “The Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works,”
John 14:10 (NIV)
10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
John 5:36 (NIV)
36 “I have testimony weightier than that of John. For the works that the Father has given me to finish-the very works that I am doing-testify that the Father has sent me.
John 6:27 (NIV)
27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”
John 8:42 (NIV)
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me.
John 8:28 (NIV)
28 So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me.
Matthew 24:36 (NIV)
36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Luke 6:12 (NIV)
12 One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God.
John 11:41 (NIV)
41 So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up and said, “Father, I thank you that you have heard me.
John 11:42 (NIV)
42 I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me.”
Acts 2:22-24 NIV
22 “Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazarethq was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. 23 This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men,put him to death by nailing him to the cross.24 But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold
@Doctrine Detective
Jesus Christ’s statement in John 14:7 (along other such statements) can be best understood by the two following verses belonging to John’s writings:
*John 1:18*
No one has seen God at any time; the one and only, God, the one who is in the bosom of the Father-that one has made him known.
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*1 John 4:12*
No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God resides in us and his love is perfected in us.
@@JJFrostMusic What you say is truth brother, may יהוה (The LORD) continue to guide you on your journey
@@moosa86 Peace to you family from The Almighty in Christ’s name. I don’t know if you know this, but there is a very well documented history of manuscript corruption with the gospels. This is not to suggest we don’t have an accurate gospel, but that ‘some’ gospel manuscripts were corrupted. John 1:18 is an example of that corruption, all evidence points to that verse saying ‘only begotten son’ not ‘only begotten God’. I don’t know if you’re aware of that but I pray that helps you on your walk.
@@moosa86 Peace to you friend. May I ask, what belief you currently hold to?
Jesus is God!
There is not a single unequivocal statement in the bible where Jesus himself says I am God or hence worship me.
The main reason why every Christian is reverting to Islam.
The religion of Adam,Moses,Jesus,Muhammad (pbuh) and all the other prophets was Islam
The word Islam means submission of your will to one God
There is not a single unequivocal statement in the bible where Jesus himself says I am God or hence worship me.
The main reason why every Christian is reverting to Islam.
The religion of Adam,Moses,Jesus,Muhammad (pbuh) and all the other prophets was Islam
The word Islam means submission of your will to one God
@@ace1909 Now when I give you verses that says he is God, then you will say " noo not that and not this, it is corrupted and etc". Hate to break it to, Jesus is God and he said it himself.
@@royobanon831 Jesus was a prophet sent by GOD. John 17:3: And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. " Jesus says that there is only one true God and he was sent by that one TRUE GOD.
@@14-Peaks That same Jesus said that he is that "I Am" and "He and father are one". Hey buddy I understand that it is hard to understand Trinity, ofcourse I can't get my head around it either, but I understand one thing very much clearly, that is, my brain isn't capable enough to understand the complexity of the Almighty.
Thank you IP
Jesus is Lord💖🙏💖🙏💖
The only kind of lord Jesus equates to is the lord in 1 Peter 3:6
A mini tiny lord below the greater Lord YHWH
@@user-jy2hq2rb4q Act 20:28 (NKJV): “Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.
@user-jy2hq2rb4q do you not understand? No wonder you deny Jesus being God himself.
😮 great video
Glory to Jesus and Lord Jesus Christ bless you.
@@user-jy2hq2rb4qJesus is the son of God and Messiah who died for our sins and rose again, was exalted to the right hand of God, and has been given authority to one day judge the world.
Since when a son could be equal to his father?
Jesus was sent to cleanse humanity sins, NOT A PILGRIMAGE FOR HIS GOD HOOD
If you still insist saying that Jesus is God, who do you think Jesus prayed to BEFORE JESUS BECOME "GOD"?
So Father Spoke Through All to the People💕✔️
Jesus IS GOD HE CLEARLY MAKES THIS KNOWN MANY TIMES IF YOU READ IT ENOUGH
Amen Jude address Jesus as our God and savior.
Good on you for stating the FACTS!!!!
Jesus is the Lord our God!
@@user-jy2hq2rb4q Act 20:28 (NKJV): “Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.
@user-jy2hq2rb4qbuddy if you commit a crime such as taking a hundred lives, then you are taken to court, and you say, I’m sorry for what I did. Now let’s say the judge says, Ok since you’re sorry, you may go now, you’re free. Tell me, is that a just judgment?
Since when a son could be equal to his father?
Jesus was sent to cleanse humanity sins, NOT A PILGRIMAGE FOR HIS GOD HOOD
If you still insist saying that Jesus is God, who do you think Jesus prayed to BEFORE JESUS BECOME "GOD"?
They're quoting half of a sentence to disprove Jesus. When will they start quoting only individual words?
Acts 10:38 (NIV)
38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.
Hebrews 3:1 (NIV)
3 Therefore, holy brothers and sisters, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, whom we acknowledge as our apostle and high priest.
1 Timothy 2:5 (NIV)
5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,
1 John 4:14 (NIV)
14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.
Romans 8:34 (NIV)
34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died-more than that, who was raised to life-is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.
1 Corinthians 11:3 (NIV)
3 But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
John 10:29 (NIV)
29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.
John 14:28 (NIV)
28 “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
Matthew 19:17 (NIV)
17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
John 17:21 (NIV)
21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
1 Corinthians 8:6 (NIV)
6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
Matthew 28:18 (NIV)
18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
he positively denies himself to be the author of his miraculous works, but refers them to the Father, or the holy spirit of God. “The Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works,”
John 14:10 (NIV)
10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
John 5:36 (NIV)
36 “I have testimony weightier than that of John. For the works that the Father has given me to finish-the very works that I am doing-testify that the Father has sent me.
John 6:27 (NIV)
27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”
John 8:42 (NIV)
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me.
John 8:28 (NIV)
28 So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me.
Matthew 24:36 (NIV)
36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Luke 6:12 (NIV)
12 One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God.
John 11:41 (NIV)
41 So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up and said, “Father, I thank you that you have heard me.
John 11:42 (NIV)
42 I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me.”
Acts 2:22-24 NIV
22 “Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazarethq was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. 23 This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men,put him to death by nailing him to the cross.24 But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold
I'm a unitarian not a Muslim
What a sperg fest. You quoted all that, and you're still wrong.
1. Jesus never referred to himself as “God” in the absolute sense, so what precedent then did Thomas have for calling Jesus “my God”? The Greek language uses the word theos, (“God” or “god”) with a broader meaning than is customary today. In the Greek language and in the culture of the day, “GOD” (all early manuscripts of the Bible were written in all capital letters) was a descriptive title applied to a range of authorities, including the Roman governor (ACTS 12:22), and even the Devil (2 cor. 4:4). It was used of someone with divine authority. It was not limited to its absolute sense as a personal name for the supreme Deity as we use it today.
2. Given the language of the time, and given that Jesus did represent the Father and have divine authority, the expression used by Thomas is certainly understandable. On the other hand, to make Thomas say that Jesus was “God,” and thus 1/3 of a triune God, seems incredible. In Concessions of Trinitarians, Michaelis, a Trinitarian, writes:
I do not affirm that Thomas passed all at once from the extreme of doubt to the highest degree of faith, and acknowledged Christ to be the true God. This appears to me too much for the then existing knowledge of the disciples; and we have no intimation that they recognized the divine nature of Christ before the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. I am therefore inclined to understand this expression, which broke out in the height of his astonishment, in a figurative sense, denoting only “whom I shall ever reverence in the highest degree”…Or a person raised from the dead might be regarded as a divinity; for the word God is not always used in the strict doctrinal sense” [Michaelis is quoted by Dana, ref. below].
Remember that it was common at that time to call God’s representatives “God,” and the Old Testament contains quite a few examples. When Jacob wrestled with “God,” it is clear that he was actually wrestling with an angel (HOSEA 12:4-For more on that, see the note on genesis 16:7-13).
3. There are many Trinitarian authorities who admit that there was no knowledge of Trinitarian doctrine at the time Thomas spoke. For example, if the disciples believed that Jesus was “God” in the sense that many Christians do, they would not have “all fled” just a few days before when he was arrested. The confession of the two disciples walking along the road to Emmaus demonstrated the thoughts of Jesus’ followers at the time. Speaking to the resurrected Christ, whom they mistook as just a traveler, they talked about Jesus. They said Jesus “was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God…and they crucified him; but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel” (LUKE 24:19-21). The Bible is clear that these disciples thought Jesus was a “prophet.” Even though some of the apostles realized that Jesus was the Christ, they knew that according to the Old Testament prophecies, the Christ, the anointed of God, was to be a man. There is no evidence from the gospel accounts that Jesus’ disciples believed him to be God, and Thomas, upon seeing the resurrected Christ, was not birthing a new theology in a moment of surprise.
4. The context of the verse shows that its subject is the fact that Jesus was alive. Only three verses earlier, Thomas had ignored the eyewitness testimony of the other apostles when they told him they had seen the Lord. The resurrection of Christ was such a disputed doctrine that Thomas did not believe it (the other apostles had not either), and thus Jesus’ death would have caused Thomas to doubt that Jesus was who he said he was-the Messiah. Thomas believed Jesus was dead. Thus, he was shocked and astonished when he saw-and was confronted by- Jesus Himself. Thomas, upon being confronted by the living Christ, instantly believed in the resurrection, i.e., that God had raised the man Jesus from the dead, and, given the standard use of “God” in the culture as one with God’s authority, it certainly makes sense that Thomas would proclaim, “My Lord and my God.” There is no mention of the Trinity in the context, and there is no reason to believe that the disciples would have even been aware of such a doctrine. Thomas spoke what he would have known: that the man Jesus who he thought was dead was alive and had divine authority.
5. For other uses of theos applicable to this verse, see hebrews 1:8.
He referred to himself as the Lord who reigns over all creation and the son of man who is coequal to God
When you can't deny that Thomas addressed Jesus as "God" now you're moving the goalpost and claim the Greek word theos can just mean anything and does not have to be absolute
Obviously trinitarianism isn't particulism : each person being 1/3 of God and the Trinity comes from the Jewish theology of Two Powers in Heaven that Rabbinic Judaism rejected in the 2nd century AD because it supported Christianity's claims of Jesus being the visible YHWH of Genesis 19:24. There are 2 the invisible YHWH ( Father) and the visible YHWH ( Jesus) in that verse that appeared as a man and talked to Abraham and Sarah along with the 2 angels who also appeared as men.
Your plain ignorant of 2nd temple period Biblical Judaism theology.
Two Powers in Heaven by Alan Segal a former Professor of Rabbinics at Brandis University who passed away but his book is still on Amazon.
❗IS JESUS TREATED AS A GOD?
➡️I do not believe in the Catholic doctrine of the Trinity, there IS ONLY ONE GOD, and Jesus, the anointed of God, is his exalted Representative, who did his perfect will because he had the fullness of divinity in him, the 7 spirits of Isaiah, which are manifestations and quality of the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is not a person, but the manifestation of God's will and his power, he is the finger of God.
➡️All who are led by the Spirit of God, doing his will, these are "Sons of God", whether they be Jews or Gentiles.
(Romans 8:14)
➡️Jesus taught that THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD, THAT OF ABRAHAM, AND HIM ALONE IS TO BE WORSHIPPED.
MARK 12:29-30
And Jesus answered him, The greatest commandment of all is, Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God; the Lord IS ONE.
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the chief commandment.
LUKE 4:8
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship thy Lord thy God, and HIM ONLY shalt thou serve.
➡️Jesus the Messiah is not another God, he is the intermediary between God and mankind, as Aaron was also intermediary, and because Aaron was intermediary between God and man he is not thereby sinning, nor is he another God, nor is he stealing God's position.
Jesus is the High Priest of the order of Melchizedek, the Messianic eternal priesthood that replaces that of Aaron.
Jesus was God's representative on earth, who did his perfect will and although he knew temptation as a man, he never sinned, because he never did his will but God's, since he, as the Anointed One, God was in him, and everything he did actually came from God.
And therefore he is called the Image of the invisible God, the Word of God made flesh, the radiance of his glory and the exact expression of his nature.
He was God's representative, just as Moses, who was even called God (Exodus 7:1), was also God's representative. Does Moses being God's representative, and being called God, mean that Moses is sinning, is another God, or is stealing God's position? Of course not.
And if Moses, who brought the word of God, was called by God to be his representative even though he could not be perfect to the end, then why can't the Messiah, who brought us out of the bondage of sin, wrote the law of God in our hearts, and leads us to the promised Kingdom, being the very word of God manifested and who never sinned, be God's representative?
➡️We, true Christians, are not praying to Jesus directly as if he is a God, we pray to God in the "NAME OF JESUS CHRIST", because HE IS OUR INTERMEDIARY.
John 16:23
Truly, truly, I say to you, if you ask anything of the Father, he will give it to you IN MY NAME.
We have Jesus as an intermediary between God and men, he is the heavenly High Priest according to the order of Melchizedek, he is our advocate that we have with the Father.
Our prayers are brought to God as incense.
➡️ Jesus did not say that he was God and that you had to worship him, but that he was God's representative, who would manifest and make known God's perfect will, and if someone hates him or does not honor him, you actually do it to God, because all the things he did were actually from God and not from him.
That is why he says that he is 1 with God, and whoever has seen him has seen the Father, not because he is a trinitarian God, but because he would manifest his perfect will, and because he was 1 with God in mind and will, since God was in him, he is the Anointed of God.
We too can be 1 with God and Jesus through the Holy Spirit, so as to have a mind that wants to do the will and commandments of God.
John 5:23
He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.
John 15:23
He who hates me hates my Father also.
John 14: 10-11, 24
Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak to you, I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me, he does the works.
Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me; otherwise believe me for the works themselves.
He who does not love me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear is not mine, but the Father's who sent me.
➡️The prophetic scriptures teach that HONOR AND SERVICE should be given to the Son of God AS MESSIAH AND KING, and that at the very least, the Messiah is given greater authority than even the angels.
Psalms 2:12
HONOR the Son; otherwise God will be indignant, and you will die on the way, for his fury is quickly kindled.
Happy are all those who take refuge in him!
Psalm 110:1
"The LORD says to my Lord, "Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet."
(Here God says that the Messiah would sit at his right hand in heaven, and that the enemies of the Messiah would be under his feet) (to which of the angels has God ever said this?).
In Daniel 7, where the prophetic vision of Jesus' ascension in a cloud into heaven appears, it is again stated that he received dominion, glory and the Kingdom from God, and he is to be served.
"I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. And he was given DOMINION and GLORY and A KINGDOM, that all peoples, nations and tongues ....MIGHT SERVE HIM...; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed" ( Daniel 7: 13-14 ).
Here in this verse of the New Testament, it speaks on the same subject:
Philippians 2
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God (God's representative), HASTENED NOT TO BE EQUAL TO GOD as a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men; and being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Wherefore GOD ALSO EXALTED HIM TO THE TOP, and gave HIM A NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES, that AT THE NAME OF JESUS EVERY KNEE OF THOSE IN HEAVEN, and on earth, and under the earth, should bow, and that every tongue should CONFESS THAT JESUS CHRIST IS THE LORD, to the glory of God the Father.
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Love Keener’s work!
muslim apologist are funny
Thanks, IP!
Right. It doesn’t take a lot to figure that out!
Figure what out
@@smooth2477 that Thomas called Jesus his Lord. Jesus is our Lord.
The pharasees hated Jesus MAINLY when He said before Abraham was I AM! He looked them dead in the eyes and told them He is indeed thier God and it shook them to their core and they couldnt reconcile it in thier mind and had him crusified, still He forgave them.
Can you imagine God looking at you a leader in law and everything you deem Holy and telling you everything you have done is wrong and you are just as guilty as a gentile. That would shake you to your core.
Islam is the only religion actually practised and not changed for convenience
*What the islamic sources tell us about the early preservation of the Quran:*
*Many verses and even whole suras of the Quran have been lost forever, especially during the battle of yamama* (Ibn Abi Dawud, Kitab al-Masahif p. 23). *Others were simply forgotten* (Muslim 1050) *and the early muslims had huge differences between their recitations, so that they feared a splitting between the muslims* (Bukhari 4987). *Thats why they decided, to choose one version of what was left from the Quran and to write it down into one book* (Bukhari 4679).
*So they took what was left from the Quran from stones, leaves, bones, animal-skins and the memories of different muslims* (Bukhari 4679). *Some verses were only found by particular people and no one else remembered them* (Bukhari 4679; 4986), *about other verses it gave disputes* (Bukhari 4944; Jami at Tirmidhi 3104) *and others were left out and not put in the Quran, while even the "master of the Quran", Ubay ibn Ka'b said, that they were part of it* (Bukhari 5005), *or Umar* (Abi Dawud 4418), *or Aisha* (Muslim 1452). *And some of these verses were supposedly eaten by a goat* (Ibn Majah 1944).
*Ubay ibn Ka'b was one of the four recitators, from which the muslims should learn the Quran, according to Mohammed* (Bukhari 3808; 4999).
*The recitation of Ubay ibn Ka'b had 116 suras, and the suras and the verses had a different order than the versions of the Quran of today* (Ibn al-Nadim, Kitab al-Fihrist p. 45). *And they had also differences in the text. For example had the verse 33,6 in Ubay's version the addition "and he is the father of them", as we can read in a the footnote of Yousef Ali in his english translation of the Quran.*
*The first one of Mohammed's list of the four recitators from whom the muslims should learn the Quran was ibn Masud* (Bukhari 3808; 4999). *His recitation only had 111 suras and also in his version, the verses and suras had a different order* (Ibn al-Nadim, Kitab al-Fihrist p. 45). *And he had also differences in the text of his recitation. For example did he and Abu Darda recite Sura 92,3 this way* (Bukhari 4944):
وَالذَّكَرِ وَالأُنْثَى
"By the male and the female"
*But in the Quran today we read:*
وَمَا خَلَقَ الذَّكَرَ وَالأُنْثَى
"By him who created the male and the female"
*Ibn Masud, the first one on Mohammeds list of the four people, from whom the muslims should learn the Quran, disliked the Quran of Uthman so much, that he did not accept it* (Jami at Tirmidhi 3104).
*You know, Uthman. The guy who decided to burn the original-manuscripts (fragments)* (Bukhari 4987) *and to destroy the 7 ahruf, from which Mohammed said they were revelations from Allah*
"For in him all the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily." - Colossians 2:9
"Without controversy, the mystery of godliness is great: God was revealed in the flesh..." -1 Timothy 3:16
"Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son. They shall call his name Immanuel;" which is, being interpreted, "God with us." -Matthew 1:23
"If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on, you know him, and have seen him..."-John 14:7
"...before Abraham came into existence, I AM." - John 8:58
"looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ." - Titus 2:13
'..."We don't stone you for a good work, but for blasphemy: because you, being a man, make yourself God."' -John 10:33
"...Christ as concerning the flesh, who is over all, God..." -Romans 9:5
'Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed..."' -John 20:28
"...I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."
- Revelation 22:13
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." - John 1
"The Word became flesh, and lived among us..." - John 14
"For to us a child is born. To us a son is given; and the government will be on his shoulders. His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." - Isaiah 9:6
'Jesus said, "I'm the light that's over all. I am the All. The All has come from me and unfolds toward me. Split a log; I'm there. Lift the stone, and you'll find me there."' - Gospel of Thomas, Saying 77
"His Son is the radiance of his glory, the very image of his substance..." - Hebrews 1:3
”Have this in your mind, which was also in Christ Jesus, who, existing in the form of God..." -Philippians 2:5
'Seeing their faith, he said to him, "Man, your sins are forgiven you." The scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, "Who is this that speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?"' -Luke 5:20-21
'When I saw him, I fell at his feet like a dead man. He laid his right hand on me, saying, "Don't be afraid. I am the first and the last, and the Living one. I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. I have the keys of Death and of Hades."'
- Revelation 1:17-18
Jesus received worship:
"Where is he who is born King of the Jews? For we saw his star in the east, and have come to worship him."
- Matthew 2:2
"They came into the house and saw the young child with Mary, his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him..."
-Matthew 2:11
"When they got up into the boat, the wind ceased. Those who were in the boat came and worshiped him... " -Matthew 14:32-33
"... They came and took hold of his feet, and worshiped him." -Matthew 28:9
"He said, "Lord, I believe!" and he worshiped him.' -John 9:38
..."Let all the angels of God worship him." -Hebrews 1:6
Now compare this to when people tried to worship people or even angels:
'I fell down before his feet to worship him. He said to me, "Look! Don't do it! I am a fellow bondservant with you and with your brothers who hold the testimony of Jesus. Worship God, for the testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy."' -Revelation 19:10
'Now I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. When I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who had shown me these things. He said to me, "See you don't do it! I am a fellow bondservant with you and with your brothers, the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God."' -Revelation 22:8-9
'When it happened that Peter entered, Cornelius met him, fell down at his feet, and worshiped him. But Peter raised him up, saying, "Stand up! I myself am also a man."' -Acts 25:26
... And in Acts 14:8-18, St. Paul rejects worship
And from the mouth of Yahweh Himself:
⚠️"I will pour on the house of David, and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplication; 👉and they will look to me they have pierced..." -Zachariah 12:10
Jesus is God, part 2 💜
'But of the Son he says, “Your throne, 👉O God👈, is forever and ever..."' -Hebrews 1:8
"AND THOU, BETHLEHEM Ephrata, art a little one among the thousands of Juda: out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be the ruler in Israel: 👉and his going forth is from the beginning, from the days of eternity." -Micah 5:2
"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever." -Hebrews 13:8
👉"For I am the Lord [Yahweh], and I change not..." -Malachi 3:6
Jesus is LORD (Yahweh):
'"This is what Yahweh, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, Yahweh of Armies, says: 👉“I am the first, and I am the last;👈 and besides me there is no God."' -Isaiah 44:6
“Why does this man speak blasphemies like that? Who can forgive sins but God alone?” [👉 EXACTLY! 😂] -Mark 2:7
👉"...our God and Savior, Jesus Christ" -2 Peter 1:1
"For by him [Jesus] all things were created in the heavens and on the earth, visible things and invisible things, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things have been created through him and for him." -Colossians 1:16
"To the only God our Saviour through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory and magnificence, empire and power, before all ages, and now, and for all ages of ages. Amen." -Jude 1:25
"that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, those on earth, and those under the earth" -Philippians 2:10
"God, having in the past spoken to the fathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, has at the end of these days spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom also he made the worlds." -Hebrews 1-2 👉& don't forget Isaiah 53!
👉"...unless you believe that I am he, you will die in your sins." - John 8:24
All the best! 💜
Do you have any content regarding the authorship of the gospels?
We read in Mal.3:1: “Behold, I will send MY MESSENGER, and he shall prepare the way BEFORE ME: and THE LORD, WHOM YOU SEEK, SHALL SUDDENLY COME TO ***HIS*** TEMPLE, even the MESSENGER OF THE COVENANT, whom you delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.”
Lets break this down and make it perfectly clear......
"Behold I *_(God)_* will send my messenger (??????) and he shall prepare the way before me *_(God)_* :
Who was sending the messenger?...... It was *_God_*
The messenger was to prepare the way for who? .......for *_God_*
So *_God_* ...... sent (somebody) to prepare the way for *_God .... HIMSELF..._*
and the Lord *_(God)_* , whom you seek, shall suddenly come to his *_(God's)_* temple, even the messenger of the covenant *_( the law of Moses)_* , whom you delight in: behold, he *_(God)_* shall come, saith the Lord *_(God)_* of hosts.
In the passage above Malachi speaks of a messenger one that will prepare the way for the Lord, this is none other than John the Baptizer who is foretold in Isa.40:3-4. He is.......
“The voice crying out in the wilderness: prepare the way of the *_Lord_* ; make straight in the desert a highway for *_OUR GOD_* .”
Mt. 11:10 quotes this as a confirmation of John the Baptizer as the one who will introduce the *_LORD_* and *_OUR GOD_* . “For this is he of whom it is written: 'Behold, I send My messenger before Your face, who will prepare Your way before You.'
So..... Who was the one that came after John the Baptizer? It was JESUS. But wait....According to Malachi the one that comes after John the Baptizer is the same one that made the covenant with Moses.... How can this be? Was it not God that made the covenant with Moses? Yes it was.....But it was Jesus that came after John the Baptizer and not God?.... Could Malachi be wrong? ....Or is it simply that God himself did actually come to the earth and visit his temple as Jesus right after John the Baptizer did. Exactly as Malachi said he would...
Notice that Malachi tells us that the Lord himself, the one who made the covenant with Israel in the Old Testament will come to visit his temple personally and they will "BEHOLD" him *_(they would see him)_* ..... They would see who? They would see the one that made covenant with Israel. *>>>> "GOD"
Amen
In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Read all of John chapter 1. Also read Daniel Chapter 7. She will be coming in the clouds. Everyone will bow down before Him because He is deity. He is God. The world was made through Him. Anyone who does not have the Son, does not have the Father
I think you should make a playlist just for “grammatical fallacies”. Because oh boy do we a have ton of content to keep up with lol
You have to ignore the entire rest of the book of John in order to say that it doesn’t proclaim Jesus as God.
You have to ignore the entire rest of the book of John to think that it doesn't clearly distinguish Jesus from his God. The one true God in the gospel of John is Jesus' father, not Jesus himself.
If it's so explicit, why are we still arguing about it
Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”
Luke 24:39
Hello. Jesus says:,,It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. 46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.“ (John 6:45-46, KJV). Jesus refers to Himself as the only One Who has seen the Father because He says:,,And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.'' (John 5:37, KJV). He meant not that He began seeing Him here on earth because He also says:,,And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.“ (John 17:5, KJV).
God has revealed Himself to some men but they have not seen Him because He has not revealed to them by His divine essence. They have not seen His divine essence. Jesus Who had the glory of the Father before the world was, is the only One Who has seen the Father (John 5:37). That is because He has seen the Father's divine essence which is because Jesus shares the same divine essence with the Father. God reveals Himself to men by His uncreated divine energies, not by His divine essence which is invisible and unattainable by men.
Begotten of the Father means begotten before all ages. The expression ,,Son of God" refers to the Incarnation of the Word of God which comes forth from the Father eternally and without a beginning; it does not refer to a creation of a Son of God in a human sense of the word because there cannot be another God. The Incarnated Word is One Person in two natures - divine and human. The human activities and experiences belong to the human nature. It is because Jesus is equal to the Father by the divine nature, that He is the Only Begotten Son of God (John 1:18) unlike some holy men who are called sons of God because they follow God but are not divine by nature.
The Holy Trinity is referred to in the Old Testament, Genesis 18:1-3:
,,And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; 2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, 3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:'' (KJV). The three men by which He appears to Abraham, are the Three Persons of the Holy Trinity - co-existing in an inseparable unity and co-equal in dignity, and sharing one common divine essence.
@@Yasen.Dobrev Tsk tsk tsk
God is a spirit a holy ghost. He cannot be seen because he does not have flesh and bones,
God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth (John 4:24)
Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a *spirit does not have flesh and bones*, as you see I have.”
(Luke 24:39)
Jesus says:,,It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. 46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.“ (John 6:45-46, KJV)
What jesus mean't about this is that who follows god or who is with him has seen the father or the one true god, metaphorically. Jesus cannot see god because god is invinsible the holy ghost or the holy spirit, a spirit cannot be seen because (Luke 24:39)
Everything else later
@@ppbuthole246 Quote:,,What jesus mean't about this is that who follows God or who is with him has seen the father or the one true god, metaphorically. Jesus cannot see god because god is invinsible the holy ghost or the holy spirit, a spirit cannot be seen because (Luke 24:39).''
He did not mean that because it is said:,,Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.'' (Acts 20:28, KJV). God does not have blood by His divine nature. But the Person of the One who assumed a human nature and suffered and died in it, is divine.
He is everlasting:,,But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.'' (Micah 5:2). And His glory with the Father was before the world was:,,And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.“ (John 17:5, KJV).
So He has seen the Father literally, He has eternally being seeing the Father's divine essence because He is of the same divine essence.
@@Yasen.Dobrev You cannot see god "literally" with your naked eye, because god is a spirit. God does not have a flesh and bone's, how can you see someone without any of those? You cannot.
but now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. This is not what Abraham did.
(John 8:40)
@@ppbuthole246 The Person of the Word is One but the natures are two - divine and human (Acts 20:28). He has seen the Father from eternity, before the Incarnation, i.e. He has seen Him with His divine essence. This is because He shares the same divine essence with the Father.
He refers to Himself as a man (John 8:40) but His full human nature did not have its own, human person (if it had, Jesus would be just a human like all of us) but the place of a human person that we have, in Christ's humanity was taken by the Person of the Word. That is why when he was referred to as a man, He was referred to as pre-existing:"This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me." (John 1:30, KJV).
By flesh He was born six months after St.John the Baptist, so His humanity was not pre-existing but it is because the Person in Whom that humanity exists, is pre-existing, that when Jesus is referred to as a man, He is referred to as pre-existing.
He is perfect so surely He is Part.
It's also worth considering that throughout all of the epistles from the apostles, God is referred to as our Father, and Jesus is referred to as our Lord. Is it possible Thomas is referring to both of them in this expression?
What about John 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not
14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth
Maybe this is the darkness that comprehended it not.
Interesting how he tried using BLUE LETTER BIBLE to make his point. 😆🤣🤣
Muslims seem to love using it for some reason.
Very desperate to claim mid sentence, when addressing one person, it is suddenly addressed to someone else with zero indication of a switch.
No ! Thomas was calling upon Deadpool ! 🤦🏻♂️
I always wonder why Matthew, Mark, and Luke never mentioned it...
And the Word was God
And the word was with GOD!!!!!
I need Jesus to come back😊
Jesus in Matthew 7:22, 23 tells us there are more than one Jesus, 2 Thessalonians 2:4 tells us a son who sits in the temple of God showing himself that he is God is the son of perdition and 1 Corinthians 3:16 tells us that we are the temple of God.
Who sits in your temple is it a son showing himself that he's God or is it the holy spirit?
Matthew 12:31 KJV - Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
Don't fall for the lies from God the Son who blasphemes the holy spirit
1. There is room for Thomas to have reacted and exclaimed about a third party with that language.
2. Jesus himself says he is not God in John 10:
Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’? If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came-and Scripture cannot be set aside- what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”
Jesus makes 3 important points:
1. Others have been called God simply because they bore His word to the people, as Jesus is doing.
2. His oneness with the Father is from doing his works.
3. Scripture is final.
Why was Jesus crucified? What was the charge?
@Castle
The charge was blasphemy for claiming to be Messiah but then again that wasn’t truly what those in power believed they just wanted to silence someone who was going to tip the apple cart and disrupt the swell gig they had for themselves at the Sanhedrin.
Scripture belonging to the 1st century BC prophesied as much:
(especially verses 10-20)
*Wisdom 2* (CEB)
1 By reasoning in their twisted way, the ungodly said: Our lives are short and painful. There is no antidote for death; no one has come back from the grave. 2 All of us came into being by chance. When our lives are over, it will be just as if we had never been. The breath in our nostrils is mere smoke. Reason is just a spark in the beating of our hearts. 3 When that spark is extinguished, the body will be turned into ashes. The spirit will evaporate into thin air. 4 Over time, our names will be forgotten. No one will remember our deeds. Our lives will pass away like the last wisps of a cloud. Our lives will be dispersed like a morning mist chased away by the sun and weighed down by the day’s heat. 5 Our time here is like a shadow passing by. There’s no turning back from death. It has been sealed, and no one will alter it.
6 Come then! Let’s enjoy all the good things of life now. Let’s enjoy creation to the fullest as we did in our youth. 7 Let’s drink our fill of expensive wines and enjoy fine perfumes. Let’s pluck every fresh blossom of spring as we pass by. 8 Let’s crown ourselves with rosebuds before they wither. 9 Let’s make sure that no meadow is left untouched by our high-spirited fun. Let’s leave evidence everywhere that we made the most of this life, because this life is all we have.
10 Let’s take advantage of the day laborer who does what’s right. Let’s not be afraid to abuse the widow. Let’s show that we couldn’t care less for the gray hair of our elders. 11 May strength be our only law and determine what’s right, for it’s clear to us that what is weak is worthless.
12 Let’s lie in ambush for the one who does what is right. He’s a nuisance to us. He always opposes our actions. He blames us because we have failed to keep the Law. He condemns us for turning our backs on our upbringing. 13 He boasts of his knowledge of God. He even calls himself the Lord’s servant.[a] 14 He exposes our secret plans. Just to look at him makes us sick. 15 His life isn’t like the lives of others. His ways are completely different. 16 He thinks we’re frauds. He avoids us and our actions as though we’re unclean. Instead, he blesses the final days of those who do what’s right. He even boasts that God is his Father.
17 Let’s see if his words are true. Let’s put him to the extreme test and see what happens. 18 If this man who does the right thing is indeed God’s son, then God will assist him. God will rescue him from the hand of those who oppress him. 19 Let’s test him by assaulting and torturing him. Then we will know just how good he really is. Let’s test his ability to endure pain. 20 Let’s condemn him to a disgraceful death: according to him, God should show up to protect him.
21 This was how the ungodly reasoned, but they were mistaken. Their malice completely blinded them. 22 They didn’t know of God’s secret plan. They didn’t hope for the reward that holiness brings. They didn’t consider the prize they would win if they kept their whole beings free from stain. 23 God created humans to live forever. He made them as a perfect representation of his own unique identity. 24 Death entered the universe only through the devil’s envy. Those who belong to the devil’s party experience death.
@Castle
To be more accurate, the following are the charges made against Jesus Christ by those at the Sanhedrin:
Jesus is generally quiet, does not defend himself, rarely responds to the accusations, and is found guilty of: violating the Sabbath law (by healing on the Sabbath); threatening to destroy the Jewish Temple; practicing sorcery, exorcising people by the power of demons and; claiming to be the Messiah. He is then taken to Pontius Pilate, the governor of Roman Judaea, *to be tried for claiming to be the King of the Jews.*
@Castle
On his cross his charge was recorded in Latin as “I.N.R.I” which stood for “Iesus Nazarenus, Rex Iudaeorum” (Jesus the Nazarene, King of the Jews)
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Amen Jesus Christ is the lord and savior❤❤🙏
What I do want to ask is do you trust a book which is likely to have been manipulated and changed over time or do you trust gods word?
They all rely on just believe me
Changed? In what way?
Context. What came before and after gives it its proper meaning.
I have a video request:
there is a channel called thefriendlyatheist1 with a series on all the mistakes in the book of numbers I would like to see your view on it.
Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!
Even the translators understood that Thomas was surprised and shocked cuz they put an exclamation mark ... If you know Greek you would know that they don't have exclamation mark in Greek.
Jesus is God, these Muslims will never except it but it’s true, Jesus is king of kings and Lord of lords
Mark 10:18 ““Why do you call Me good?” Jesus replied. “No one is good except God alone.
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I tell the young folks, who would you most believe? A man standing on the street corner shouting "I'm God", or a man who raises the dead, gives sight to the blind, hearing to the deaf, turns water to wine, walks through walls, etc, etc and quietly demonstrates and articulates He has all the attributes of God. Is he God because He loudly said it? Or God because he demonstrated, articulated and proved it? This is why some Jews tried to stone Him.
Unfortunately you appear willing to misunderstand Christ just as the Pharisees did… 🤦♂️
None of his speech or miracles were meant to testify to him literally being God but instead they were meant to testify to him being the Messiah. The Messiah was prophesied to be a great teacher who would demonstrate the proper understanding of scripture to the Jews then to educate the gentiles as well…
Christ’s miracles literally were the opposite of the curses that Moses warned them that they would experience for disobeying the Law in Deuteronomy 28. Christ’s resurrection was meant to settle the disputes amongst the differing theological camps of his era (see Acts 23:8).
Peace be with you 🙏
May The Most High to increase us both in knowledge and understanding.
@@moosa86 John the Baptist said, Behold the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world. Jesus death fulfilled all the old testament types, sacrifices and prophesies, His Apostles wrote of how his death atoned for sin. Jesus said unless you believe in me, you will die in your sin. Spiritually we are to eat of his flesh, and drink of his blood.
@@moosa86 how can Jesus be the Messiah if he isn't God? The old testament teaches us the Messiah would be God.
Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and *BESIDE ME 👉🏼THERE IS NO SAVIOUR* 👈🏼
Then why did God the father say after the baptism say :This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased.
Because the new testament doesn't teach modalism
@@daniellowry660 okay Yahushua also said himself that he was not God but he was in the father and the father was in him, the word that he spoke was not his but the father who spoke through him.
@@keithcollins8068 John 1:1-15
Because Jesus is the Son? Is this your first day on earth encountering Christianity and the Trinity?
@@jchino7589 add 16-18.
Please please please send me the link to this cool website or program. Or at least tell me the name
John does not believe that Jesus is God, that’s a lie.
Maybe you should read the books of John once in your life....
Not a lie you’re just ignorant of it
@@supershenron4688 nope, it's a lie
It’s crazy that every single time I see a Muslim refute or “debunk” Christianity, it’s just them lying 😭
Let’s keep in mind that Thomas was absent during the first meeting Jesus had with his remaining disciples and he (Thomas) was a very “doubtful” person. As he laid eyes on Jesus he was shocked; very surprised, and exclaimed “My Lord and My God (calling out to Jehovah or Yahweh)” as a result of his state of mind.
Jesus further addressed Thomas’ doubtful habit. “Blessed is a man who haven’t seen yet believe.” ~ John 20:28
John 17:3 is probably their number one go to.
I like how he referred to the Father as a “different god” lol. Christians can never keep up with the trinity.
He didnt say that...
The reference in 1 John 5:20 pertains to God the Father, not Jesus as God Almighty. If Jesus were indeed God Almighty, this would have been explicitly stated in the Bible. Instead of insisting on the idea that Jesus is God, we should acknowledge the Bible's portrayal of Jesus as a Messenger, a righteous man, and the Messiah.
It is important to recognize that God, being omnipotent, does not need to manifest as a human. He can simply command his creation as he sees fit. He communicates with us through messengers and prophets, guiding us on the true path. God is incomparable, surpassing even the stature of messengers and prophets.
What about this then?
Isaiah 9:6-7 CSB
[6] For a child will be born for us, a son will be given to us, and the government will be on his shoulders. He will be named Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. [7] The dominion will be vast, and its prosperity will never end. He will reign on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish and sustain it with justice and righteousness from now on and forever. The zeal of the Lord of Armies will accomplish this.
In 1 John 5,20 Jesus is described with three divine titles, that also elsewhere are used for Him, in Johns writings.
*1. John 5,20*
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son *Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.*
*We are in Him that is true, in God, by being in His Son Jesus Christ, because Jesus is the true one* (Rev 3,7), *God* (John 1,1) *and the eternal life* (1 John 1,2).
*Rev 3,7*
“And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: ‘These things saith He that is holy, *He that is true,* He that hath the key of David, He that openeth and no man shutteth, and shutteth and no man openeth:
*John 1,1*
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and *the Word was God*
*1 John 1,2*
the life was made manifest, and we have seen it, and testify to it and proclaim to you *the eternal life,* which was with the Father and was made manifest to us-
@@belenmazzeo8799 Isaiah 9:6 never says it’s a Messianic prophecy; and ‘El Gibbor’ (‘mighty God’) can also be translated as “Mighty Hero” as it is done in PLURAL form in Ezekiel 32:21-unless you want to believe in many gods?…
Also Jesus was never even called by those titles. In fact contrary to the ‘Prince of Peace’, he stated: “I have NOT come to bring peace, but a SWORD (of division).” So either this is a false prophecy, or it doesn’t pertain to Jesus in the way you think it does.
Finally you should read the context of Isaiah 9:6-it is clearly referring to the war between Israel and Assyria and the sign that would be given to the king that Israel & Judah would succeed and triumph. Only later did Christians look back at this in a desperate attempt to find prophecies about Jesus and use it to their advantage.
As Muslims we love & respect Christ Jesus, the son of the blessed Mary-and indeed I have no problem even believing that he is prophesied in parts of the Bible-but Isaiah 9:6 is not one of them, and the language and context of the passage completely shatters any understanding that it is.
And please take note of what God Almighty solemnly declares to you in His final revelation of the Qur’an:
*_”O followers of the Scripture! Do not cross the limits in your religion, nor say anything about God but the truth! The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, is only God’s messenger, and His word which He cast into Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers, and do not speak of a trinity. Stop-it is for your own good! God is one sole divinity, who is far above having a son. He owns everything in the heavens and everything on earth-and God alone is sufficient to sustain all things.”_* ~ The Recitation [Al-Qur’ān], Sūrah 4:171
Peace/Shalom
50 verses of the bible just magically seemed to be talking about jesus ofcourse
Not sure if I'm missing context or not, but... is he claiming that κυριος is a verb? It's a MNS noun so of course it isn't a vocative verb (which would be imperative, not vocative. Only nouns can be vocative, but imperative verbs function similarly). He may be referring to either απεκριθη (he answered) or ειπεν (he said), which are both indicative not imperative. The imperative is not "direct" in whatever sense he is trying to portray, but rather it is a direct address to that person. Like a command, entreaty, question, etc. Those verbs would not make grammatical sense if they were imperative, as there is no direct address being made. If they were imperative, then Thomas would be commanding Jesus to say "my Lord and my God." As I mentioned, they are in the indicative mood, which means they correspond to reality (not that they are real necessarily, but they aren't a wish or hope). The verb's mood does not supply information regarding who is the direct object or recipient. That information is supplied by the dative noun αυτω (to him), and the "him" in this case refers to Jesus. This comes from the context of the previous verses. Nothing in this verse, ESPECIALLY not the lack of a vocative verb (which again would not fit in the sentence and would be imperative, not vocative) suggests a shift in who Thomas is talking/referring to. This is an example of someone who has never taken a Greek class, but has only picked up Strong's very mediocre lexicon and has visited a website or two. It's embarrassing for him and for Islam.
Are you positing the statement that “nouns don’t undergo declensions based upon their case in the Greek language?”
@@moosa86 Lmao what do you think a declension is, and why do you think that's relevant to this discussion? These nouns being 2nd declension don't have any bearing on the points brought ip in these videos or my comments. You clearly lack knowledge on this topic, and I suggest you back away from it unless you want to continue bringing shame to your god and his false prophet
@Brickeh
Wow… you talk a big game. As though you’re very knowledgeable on this subject 🤔 hopefully it’s not all a bluff to try to intimidate others into accepting your claim?
Prove your knowledge on this subject and teach me as though I’m a novice student of the Greek language. Walk me through how changing the ending of the noun Kyrios would affect the meaning of the verse 🙏
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Lord willing I benefit from your knowledge.
@Brickeh
A declension is the varied ending of a noun that changes (and follows grammatical rules) in the Greek language based on the case that the noun is in. There are 5 cases in the Greek language along with plural versions of the noun in each case.
The ending of the noun denotes the case and the context of the noun in the sentence.
Is this correct according to your knowledge?
@@moosa86 I will try to lay this out again in as simple terms as possible. Firstly, in the original video, the Muslim apologist refers to the VERB not being vocative. When he says this, the word κυριος is on the screen. Κυριος, as you know, is a noun, not a verb. If he truly was talking about a verb, and not κυριος, then he was likely referring to ειπεν (he said). He argues that, because ειπεν is not vocative, it is not a direct address to Jesus. Vocative is not a verbal case, but imperative would be the verbal form of a direct address. If the verb were imperative, though, Thomas would not be addressing Jesus as Lord and God, but rather he would be commanding Jesus to say "my Lord and my God." This clearly does not fit the passage, as Thomas is making an exclamation, not commanding Jesus to do anything. It seems, though, that the Muslim apologist was speaking of the NOUN κυριος and NOT ειπεν. He claims that, because κυριος is not vocative, it is not directly addressed to Jesus. However, the vocative case is actually more rare in scripture, and this probably would not be a proper place to use it. If these verbs were vocative, Thomas would not be describing Jesus nor making an exclamation, but he would be asking or commanding something of him (i.e. "my Lord and my God, do this"). Κυριος is not vocative, but nominative. The primary use of nominative nouns is to denote the subject of the sentence (though there are also many other uses). In this case, the subject of the clause is already established to be Thomas (implied in the "he said"), so are there then three subjects? Certainly not! The nominative nouns κυριος and θεος here are used as an address in the place of a vocative! Take any book on Koine Greek grammar that describes further uses of Greek noun cases (I am using Köstenberger's "Going Deeper with New Testament Greek"), and you'll find that nominatives in this sentence structure are used in the place of an address. On this verse, Granville Sharp (you should know that name if you know biblical Greek at all) wrote that these two nominatives of address both refer to the dative αυτω which follos the verb ειπεν. And, of course, αυτω (to him) refers to Jesus, who had just addressed Thomas. Thus, the phrase "ο κυριος μου και ο θεος μου" is in fact a direct address to Jesus, who is the object of the sentence and the recipient of the nominatives of address.
So here is a summary of all the Muslim apologist got incorrect: 1. he misidentified a noun as a verb. 2. He claimed that only a vocative would be an address to Jesus. 3. He did not understand that a vocative would likely not fit the sentence, as it would function more as a question or command given to Jesus. 4. He did not know that nominatives can take the form of an address (another example of this is found in Ephesians 5:25, which says "οι ανδρες, αγαπατε τας γυναικας" (Husbands, love your wives." Here we see both examples of a nominative of address (husbands), and an imperative verb (love), which is a command for the husbands).
No matter how you translate this verse, though, it is important to note that the case for Jesus' divinity does not hinge on this one passage. You would have to look at all passages and debunk them one-by-one. Even if Thomas is only saying an expression of sorts rather than addressing Jesus (though I hope I have clearly shown that he was indeed addressing him), then you still have a risen Jesus. Did your false prophet Muhammed rise again from the dead? No, he died like a dog and his body rots in the earth to this day.
Jesus’ divinity is established throughout the Bible.
Titus 2:13 being the most explicit.
Nope-Titus 2:13 simply calls Jesus the “glory” OF God. Not God himself. Paul clearly made a separate between God and Jesus (see 1 Corinthians 8:6 and many others). Yet the fact that you have to use the figure of Paul-a mysterious man who never even met Jesus, but even cursed & fought with the closest disciples of Christ, and contradicted many of Jesus’s own teachings-just to prove your most basic theology, is truly an error and a folly. And I humbly urge you to return to what Christ himself said:
*_”The most important commandment, Jesus answered, is this: ‘Hear O Israel! The Lord OUR God, the Lord is ONE!’”_* ~ The Gospel of Mark 12:29
*_Jesus replied, “Why do you call ME good? NO ONE is good except GOD alone!”_* ~ Mark 10:18
*_Jesus said, “Whoever does the will of God-that is my brother and my sister and my mother!”_* ~ Mark 3:35
- And many other such passages, which show that Jesus was a human being sent BY God with the same exact message as all the other prophets & messengers before him-which is to serve God alone and repent before God’s Kingdom & Judgement Day arrives.
Serve God alone-the Creator-and not the creation.
Peace.
@@celestialknight2339 not true at all. The same wording was used in John 20:28. Thomas identified Jesus as his LORD and GOD. How do you reconcile that? Additionally, read Titus 2:10 for context. Jesus is identified as “God our Savior”
As for Mark 10:18, when the person addresses Jesus as "good teacher," Jesus responds by questioning why he calls him good. This is because Jesus was prompting the man to reflect on the meaning of "good" and encouraging deeper consideration. Rather than outright denying divinity, Jesus may be subtly inviting the man to recognize the source of true goodness, thus prompting contemplation on the divine nature of Jesus' identity within the context of his overall ministry and teachings. This interpretation aligns with the idea that Jesus often used questions to prompt reflection and convey deeper spiritual truths
@@celestialknight2339I do realize that Jesus was a human being sent by THE FATHER God. That doesn’t mean he always existed with the Father and Spirit before creation. Haven’t you read John 1:1? The Word (Jesus) was GOD
@@celestialknight2339 Hebrews 1:8 destroys you by the way. Repent heretic
@@Sossoholic Titus 2:10 never identifies Jesus as that “God and Savior” figure-you are literally just assuming that based on your prior beliefs. Paul was clearly talking about the Father, whom he constantly calls God over and over again. Sadly, you are just reading your desires INTO the text and interpreting things with a massive filter over your eyes. Plus, you still have the whole “Paul” issue to deal with in the first place, which you never addressed. It’s no wonder why many Christians themselves have ended up rejecting Paul-as they too recognize how he maligned the disciples and contradicted Jesus’s teachings like black contradicts white. The Ebionites did so first; and now many modern Christians have as well for similar reasons. The clash between their teachings is simply as clear as day.
As for John 20:28, you have the same problem of non-trustworthy sources. How do you know that the Gospel of John is a historically reliable source of information? You don’t. You just accept it because it was passed down to you through the generations. But as many scholars & historians have now discovered (Christian scholars included), the Gospel of John is more of an embellished literary work and “poetic” theology that doesn’t really represent what Jesus said or did, but rather what the author wanted to BELIEVE about him. The conservative Evangelical Bible scholar Dr. Mike Licona (who is a passionate defender of Jesus) was even forced to admit that John’s Gospel is “elastic” (a fancy word that means ‘stretching the truth’). This is no surprise since we now know that John’s Gospel was written the latest among the 4 Gospels (~70-100AD, DECADES after Christ) and its message is RADICALLY different than the previous synoptic Gospels of Mark, Matthew, and Luke, which all center around Jesus’s message about the Kingdom of God & serving the Lord, rather than exalting himself (which John does), and which also lack the countless “I Am” declarations that John’s Gospel is utterly impregnated with. If the historical Palestinian prophet named Jesus ACTUALLY made these enormous claims, then it is unbelievable and absurd that neither Mark, nor Matthew, nor Luke thought of it important to mention. ONLY John did. Coincidence?…No, rather - _fabrication._
As for the Thomas episode in particular, this is a great example of the point, since NONE of the earlier 3 Gospels have this strange story. It was clearly embellished by the anonymous author of John (again, written decades after Jesus) to bolster his image and embellish Jesus. Not only that, but the author of John messed up, because in Luke’s Gospel it actually has ALL of the disciples meeting Jesus in the upper room in the same exact event. But John (or whoever the real author was) changed the story to make Thomas ABSENT from the meeting, and so he had to come again later and finally saw Jesus-where he then made the famous “My Lord and my God” claim. It was clearly an intentional change to the story in order to INSERT the author’s theological agenda.
We see the same thing with the famous “Story of the Adulteress” (John 7:53-8:11) which has now been declared by nearly every Bible scholar & historian (Christians included) to be a later addition & forgery into the Gospel of John. I’m sorry, but you need to deal with the facts-the New Testament HAS been corrupted. And the evidence starts with the 4 Gospels themselves (and their evolution of Jesus as you go down each one from Mark (the earliest account) all the way to John (the latest account). The same response applies to John 1:1 and other such passages, which once again ONLY exist in John, and none of the other Gospels.
Finally, your interpretation of Mark 10:18 is clearly ad hoc and unreasonable. It’s crystal clear that Jesus was simply being humble and reminding the man not to give glory or goodness to himself, but to God alone who is the ultimate source of these things. But in doing so, we can clearly extract that Jesus thought of himself separate & distinct from God Almighty-which is exactly what we read throughout the Gospels (even in John), where he is non-stop called a “prophet” and “the Messiah” and NEVER “God” or “the 2nd person of the Trinity.” It’s almost like everyone misinterpreted who Jesus was (while looking at him in the face and speaking to him), but only the later Church understood who he was. It’s impossible.
You also never responded to Mark 12:29 which is crystal clear. God is ONE. Jesus says it with a clear tongue, and even calls God “OUR Lord” (hence including himself in the statement). And right after he was done talking, the Jewish man he was speaking to repeated his words, and said “You are right that God is ONE and there is NO OTHER BESIDES HIM.” - And instead of Jesus taking the opportunity to correct him and say “Actually we are a Trinity together” - he said “You are near to the Kingdom of God.” Jesus praised the man’s wisdom and affirmed what he said. Pure & absolute monotheism. Nothing could be clearer.
Finally, let’s go back to John. Look at this verse when Jesus is praying to God the Father:
*_”Now THIS is Eternal Life: that they know You, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus the Messiah whom You have SENT!”_* _(John 17:3)_
In this verse (which appears in John, which is clearly embellished & most likely historically unreliable)-we nonetheless find Jesus CLEARLY identifying the Father as “the only true God”. So the question is: If the Father alone is the ONLY true God, then how can Jesus Christ (whom “He sent”) ALSO be a true god besides Him? Did Christ (peace & blessings be upon him) make an error or contradict himself? Please clarify.
Peace.
Romans 9:5 is all I gotta say
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how about at the very beginning of John where it says in the beginning was the word. the word was with God and the word was God and then goes on to describe Jesus.
why it is mentioned in the holy book: God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent”
Stay classy as son of GOD JESUS ❤ !!
Where is the respect and worship of Jehovah God as Almighty??
I almost thought you were The Dizzle.
Usually polemecists have to run from the canonical status of John, because he is undeniable in his description of Jesus being God
Glory Jesus is the almighty God
can you support your claim?
@@14-Peaks Isaiah 35:4-6 says God would come and save us. Isaiah tells what God would do,Jesus all of Isaiah 35:4-6. John 1 said the one who came and was in the world made it, the God of Israel said I have made the earth, yet John and Paul tells me Jesus did. Scripture says there is only one God and one creator. So Jesus is the God of Israel come.
@@14-Peaks also John said God laid down his own life for his church. Acts 20:28 teaches God shed his own blood for his church.
@@coxfordGamer bud!
you said "John said God laid down his own life for his church."
*do you follow john or JESUS's teaching?*
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you also stated"Acts 20:28 teaches God shed his own blood for his church."
*who is speaking here?*
@@coxfordGamer bud!
you claimed "Jesus is the almighty God"
do not state what Paul || Isaiah || John says
*Can you show where Jesus himself claims to be god?*
Two witnesses proof. So John is testifying to what Thomas was saying, but the response of Jesus also show that Jesus was testifying about what Thomas said. Do you agree IP?
I posted a comment disputing this video and it was literally deleted. This guy is just preaching to the choir 😂
why be terrified? I wanna be with God, Lets speed this train up baby!
What Bible translator is being used when you show the entire passage in Greek?
Why doesn’t Jesus says directly say he is god I think he really likes to play puzzles or he’s shy
Its all over the Bible? What are you talking about? And why should believers only believe in parts of their book?
show me Im not being ignorent I respectful will read your answer
@@ronm.9219
I guess he’s not aware of the Granville sharps rule.
"My Lord=Jesus, My God=the Father. Its that simple. When he said my Lord it meant it was his rabbi but the God who was with the rabbi was the Father himself(the Spirit gave him Revelation the Father was in and around Jesus) right at that moment. This is what the Spirit of truth revealed to me. He made it known to me.
The Father and I are one" has to do with we are of the same mind.
Love when people like to ignore the plain and clear context and instead try to appeal to the Greek/Aramaic/Hebrew to obfuscate the point lol
John 8:28
For if you might not believe that I am, you will die because of your sins.”
John 8:58
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
IP the guy you responded to on TikTok who claimed to debunk the Trinity wants to debate you on the topic "Does the NT teach that Jesus is God?"
Yeah he would lose lol
Yes.....many,many MANY times