Jacaerys Velaryon: A (STRONG) King In The Making?

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  • Jacaerys Velaryon is the eldest son Rhaenyra Targaryen and illegitimate future heir to the throne. But despite his disputed heritage, and realms scorn of it, he looks to be a future monarch in the making. Though, looks can be deceiving...
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  • @yusufraage8554
    @yusufraage8554 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    Jace made pacts and those pacts remained long after his dead. He saved his baby brother and the future king Aegon III. Made the most loyal alliances of the war.
    ''If there ever was a king most deserving of the iron throne it would be Jacaerys Targaryen''

    • @mappingshaman5280
      @mappingshaman5280 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      How did he save aegon III? He sent him on a ship which got attacked by the triarchy and he escaped by a hairs breath by clinging to a dying stormcloud (his young dragon). His other brother, viserys, was not so lucky, getting captured.
      To be clear I'm not blaming jace as they didn't know the triarchy had joined but he didn't save aegon III.
      Also daemon made the best and most loyal alliances with the riverlords. The riverlands were the MVP of the war as they defeated every green army whilst the vale and North derped around and the iron isles sat on fair Isle.

    • @joshbeckett9255
      @joshbeckett9255 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bastard

    • @lorenagarcia3189
      @lorenagarcia3189 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ​@@mappingshaman5280 the riverlords have weaker armies than the Lannsiters. And Aemond burned those lands but they respawned to go to Kingslanding by plot armour. Daemon had nothing to do with it, it was Grrm 😂😂

    • @mappingshaman5280
      @mappingshaman5280 ปีที่แล้ว

      @lorenagarcia3189 doesn't matter, the riverlords won the war for the blacks

    • @joshbeckett9255
      @joshbeckett9255 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mappingshaman5280 ok and most of the blacks died

  • @apollotheegawd5872
    @apollotheegawd5872 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    I can’t wait for jace in s2

    • @browniebear
      @browniebear ปีที่แล้ว +7

      The North, The Vale, The Summoning of the Dragonseeds/Red Sowing and The Battle of the Gullet.
      There's real potential to get the complete and complex scope of Jace in s2, the *Strong* King Who Never Was...
      ...and never should've been through both being a bastard and also ultimately too impulsive and unfit for the crown despite the promise he showed.

    • @burningboy14
      @burningboy14 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@browniebear I agree with you on the legitimacy thing. But when it comes to his impulsiveness I have to say I agree and I don't. As he would have grown as a person that hot blood of his would most possibly have calmed down with age and experience. But I do see where you are coming from.

    • @KaiHung-wv3ul
      @KaiHung-wv3ul 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      RIP😢

  • @hightower19
    @hightower19 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Great video! Also, It's so stupid how the cole-harwin scene just flies over majority of audience's head, how do they not see that criston set him up and harwin straight up fell into the trap head first lmao

  • @tytybaby06
    @tytybaby06 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Jace is still young & coming up under queen Rhaenyra & her more level headed & calm way of ruling like her father would’ve surely rubbed off on him. He’s still young just like his mother was & that’s where the impulsive anger comes from. But as he gets older it will settle especially with influences like Corlys & Rhaenys. & he’d still make a much better king than Aegon the drunken sex offender but we know how it goes so it’s just wishful thinking sadly

  • @johnreydelatorre3450
    @johnreydelatorre3450 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    Agree. Jace wouldn’t be easily triggered by the word bastard if he truly believes he isn’t one.

    • @Argos-xb8ek
      @Argos-xb8ek 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That was a very personal insult

  • @dedemarsh8520
    @dedemarsh8520 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I think the reason why people like the 'Criston is Jace's father' theory, is because Criston is not just fighting to keep a bastard off the throne, but his bastard off the throne.
    Does it add to the story? I personally think it doesn't in the long run, but it is fun to think about.

    • @Freya1412
      @Freya1412 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Cole is fighting to keep Rhaenyra off the throne because she spurned him and the trauma never left him or whatever. Her children are the excuse but he'd have found any excuse he needed to fight to keep Rhaenyra off the throne.

  • @HK-gm8pe
    @HK-gm8pe 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I have always thought that Targaryens see themselves as gods...so they are insecure when they find out that they are just people like everybody else but Jace would have been a great king...he is one of my favorite characters actually and I love how his dragon Vermax looks in the show SPOILER
    I am going to cry when they die inj such a brutal way

  • @pendragonsxskywalkers9518
    @pendragonsxskywalkers9518 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Jace asked not only if Harwin was his father, but also "is he a bastard"? If Criston is Jace's father, Rhanera could naswer no to first question, but not the second. Also: Harwin maight had thought Jace is his son. Rhaneyra never specified when she and Laenor tried for their own child - there was big gap between Lucerys and Joffrey in show.

  • @tangysweat97
    @tangysweat97 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    If they all had different fathers that would add a interesting aspect. Maybe brothers taking after thier different fathers .Creating different factions in team Black.

  • @iamkonner4813
    @iamkonner4813 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This was a great analysis, I’m so excited to see how they adapt Jace next season, he was my favorite character from the dance.

  • @Tabaluca911
    @Tabaluca911 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Jacaerys waters... I mean jacaery strong... I mean Jacaerys Velaryon... I mean as soon as hes king its Jacaerys Targaryen.

    • @TheDream6842
      @TheDream6842 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He will die before😂

  • @musakamara4157
    @musakamara4157 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Genetics aren't perfect, someone can have a dark featured parent and still come out with pale skin if their other parent has that. And aren't there blond dornish people and even with olive skin they're still white. The hair is the same, some people are born with neither of their parents hair color and some have a mixture in coloring and texture from both. Maybe the texture and color is from his mother sicne she does have Arryn blood and they're known for brown hair.

  • @Laramaria2
    @Laramaria2 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    13:00 Helaena not getting the insult is so cute 😂

  • @amorojaz27
    @amorojaz27 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Jace being willing to lash out with violence over the Strong jokes doesn't speak well of Rhaenyra's parenting.

    • @Freya1412
      @Freya1412 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The anger was justified, considering the intention of Aemond was to provoke that response. What does it say about Alicent's parenting that she can't control either of her adult son's. One is assaulting maids and the other one seeks validation by provoking everyone to anger.

    • @amorojaz27
      @amorojaz27 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@Freya1412 I didn't say Alicent was a good mom. But Rhaenyra gaslighting her own sons about a very obvious truth is its own form of abuse. If she wants to lie to the whole world, that's her business. But she owes her sons the truth. I mean, seriously, the only worst kept secret in Westerosi history is Renly and Loras's little romance.

  • @burningboy14
    @burningboy14 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I'm so eager to see the video on Jacaerys as he is my favorite character from the books and I love Harry Collett's portrayal of him. And I can't wait for season 2 Especially the story arc of Jacaerys which is very interesting.

  • @JonathanVegaa
    @JonathanVegaa ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Very Strong King indeed

  • @pendragonsxskywalkers9518
    @pendragonsxskywalkers9518 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Jacearys is "pale", but Cole has very light olive skin and adult actor who plays Jacaerys has VERY similar nose to Criston. Also, Jace in show IS in the same age as Aemond - neither Alicent nor Rhaneyra have visible pregnancy in episode 5 and in episode 6 Luke is 8 - meaning Jace had to be 9. We never know Aemond age, but he could be born at best six monts after episode 5 (since Alicent wasn't showing), so he is at best 9 and half, the same age as Jace.

    • @musakamara4157
      @musakamara4157 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mixed race children can also look very different from each other. Just because your father has tan skin doesn't mean you will if your mother is pale, it's a spectrum and dark parents can even have very fair children cuz I'm some recessive gene they carry for that trait.

    • @pendragonsxskywalkers9518
      @pendragonsxskywalkers9518 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@musakamara4157 Yes, that's true. The friend of my brother was brown-haired child of red-headed man and mother who was bascically like Criston - olive skin and black hair. Two other children were light-skinned with reddish hair like their father. If Criston had a child with Rhaenyra, they could easily look like Jace. Also... it is really hard to call them "mixed race" in first place. I would consider Criston white. Its not like situation with Laenor.

    • @targaryen_timelord
      @targaryen_timelord ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@musakamara4157Its interesting to see when the Valyrian features present themselves in marriages between Targargens and other families. Like with Baelor Breakspear, he had his mothers hair and complection, same with Bittersteel, and Jon Snow. Dornish and Northern features seem to be more dominant than the ressesive Valyrian features. I think the gene is more present in Targ men than women though, because all of Alicent and Viserys children were born with Valyrian features, even though Alicent had dark hair. Rhaenyras sons with Harwin had dark hair, even though Rhaenyra has Valyrian features. Just a theory :))

  • @amorojaz27
    @amorojaz27 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    His hair has been changed for the second season. Now he looks more like Harwin.

  • @dellavonta187
    @dellavonta187 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Heaven help us if we sit a bastard on the throne

  • @musakamara4157
    @musakamara4157 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I thought the implication was the sex scene between Alicent and Viserys in episode 4 was the conception of Aemond - and if Rhaenyra was pregnant with Cole's child and didn't drink the moon tea then in theory Alicent and Rhaenyra wouldn't be far along enough to be showing in episode 5 but they could still be pregnant.

    • @GrinMonister
      @GrinMonister ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It'd be very unlikely since they'd both be visibly pregnant at the wedding if they got pregnant in episode 4. Royal weddings not only take a long time to plan, but people from all over the kingdoms will need time to receive their invites, make their plans (for example choosing a regent to rule in their stead) and then to travel there. So, at least three months if they're going super fast. Most likely four-six months, though if not more.

  • @blueblack3591
    @blueblack3591 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How would we know if the tea works everytime

  • @firelordbtown8639
    @firelordbtown8639 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do what if Alicant produced nothing but females instead of two male heirs

  • @oriesheppard8498
    @oriesheppard8498 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I usually like your videos, but your whole view of Rhaenerya is terrible.

  • @RahulSleepwalker11
    @RahulSleepwalker11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great hotd video again would u ever do a video on any GOT character

  • @bclr6843
    @bclr6843 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The show also hints that Criston and rhenera did the the deed more then once. She says on the boat “I want to carry on as we have” I don’t know could be wrong but it just seemed like they did it a few times at least up in the moment on the boat

  • @alfredborden5675
    @alfredborden5675 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Incredible video

  • @Taykoe88
    @Taykoe88 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    If their world wasn't so stupid about "bastards", there would have never been an issue. Shows just how stupid people from the past were.

    • @hassanhassan-os5oq
      @hassanhassan-os5oq 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Even if Bastard were accepted that still wouldn't change anything

  • @johnathanoneal9
    @johnathanoneal9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    If being a “hot head” is the worse thing Jace has done, every Green stan can Rot

  • @anbuookami13
    @anbuookami13 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    One of my all time favorites

    • @TheDream6842
      @TheDream6842 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He is weak

    • @tserln1149
      @tserln1149 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@rahimg6842 in the series we've seen so far he is just boring, doesn't capture the audience and doesn't have any weight in his presence so to say.
      We'll see what they will do with him in the 2 season

  • @heartlesslove9084
    @heartlesslove9084 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Is it me or there is a glitch audio in your entire video.

    • @dante6985
      @dante6985 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I can hear it too. I like the content but the glitch makes it hard to watch.

    • @TheEmpyreanSpeaks
      @TheEmpyreanSpeaks  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah, there is a weird sound unfortunately. I’m gonna try to fix that as I make more videos.

  • @amaracrow0501
    @amaracrow0501 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    But....how Ruse Bolton, Robb Stark, and even the great Kalisi all had the power to legitimize others. So, if Corlys accepts the boys as well as Viserys, then aren't they legitimate? Them being bastards is not the problem.

    • @heartlesslove9084
      @heartlesslove9084 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Roose Bolton took permission from King Tommen to legitimize Ramsey. Robb used his power as king in the north to legitimize jon and dany used her queenship to make gendry a Lord paramount.
      The problem with strong boys is that they are not laenor's blood, and it's openly known in the court. Therefore the making legitimization as a velaryon is a farce.
      Corlys and viserys can accept the lie, but they won't be protected forever.

    • @tserln1149
      @tserln1149 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Ah, yes, Viserys could (and should have) legitimized them IF he admitted that they were in fact bastards in the first place, instead of gaslighting everyone who has eyes

    • @alana6909
      @alana6909 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      You can't legitimize a bastard without FIRST admitting he's a bastard.

    • @amaracrow0501
      @amaracrow0501 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Then for fu@ks sake do that. You have a dragon, everyone knows. The king before Jaherys(i know i butchered that name,lol) had a whole ass legitimate ecclesiastical rule made up so he could marry his little sister. The rest of westeros nobility didn't marry siblings, its not like allowing the king to choose his successor based solely on birth order doesn't mean they would have to. Vini vidi vici by way of dragons is the ultimate to the Victor's go the spoils. The dragons peaced out because instead of letting them do what they were created to do, the Targaryians implemented them as if they were flying ponies.

    • @amaracrow0501
      @amaracrow0501 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@tserln1149 he made everything more complicated then it to be.

  • @jimlahey5339
    @jimlahey5339 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bastard or not, the Dragon answers to no one.

  • @bclr6843
    @bclr6843 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I actually know the christin Cole theory is true. She is meant to regret it and wish Harwin was the father so she let him believe he was but she knows Cole is.
    Spoiler!
    Spoiler!
    Spoiler!
    There is a plan for Her to have a confrontation moment with Cole after the death of Jace, where she tells Cole the truth which tortures him until a death he freely excepts comes. It’s gonna be awesome

  • @ExtremeMith5
    @ExtremeMith5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    obvious team green video -_-

    • @hightower19
      @hightower19 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      ? not a single thing they have said in this video villainizes jace, this is an honest character sketch so what on earth are you talking about lmao

    • @danika9411
      @danika9411 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      ​@@hightower19 For team black stans you are green if you make a neutral video 🤷‍♀️
      Maybe it's just my perception. I like characters from both sides, f.e. I like Rhaena, Jace and Luke as characters, but I also like Aemond, Alicent and Halaena as characters. So people who are really into team black can go off on me if I post anything remotely green online 😅 And I think both Jace and Daeron would have made good kings.
      Idk why that is, but team black seems to have a bit of idealisation going on and if you point out good and bad traits about a character, you are green to many. It's weird.