Otto wouldnt oppose Rhaenyra's ascent to the throne but he wouldnt oppose Aegon's either. After all, a Hightower sits on the iron throne regardless. However, if Gwain is a lover, Otto would probably lean more to Aegon as he's legitimate. Allicent would be pissed at Gwain for sleeping with the married princess and pissed at Rhaenyra for turning her brother into her boytoy
Rhaenyra should have married Aegon. Otto Hightower proposed this to Viserys at that big hunt. Yes Rhaenyra was 16 and Aegon was 2, but he would grew up and during that time Rhaenyra would have been a positive influence in his life and he would have grown up a better person. And they would be King and Queen together. Peace time ruling Aegon would likely be bored and she could run things. And no succession crisis. Her bloodline continued. And yes the heir would have Hightower blood,but I Don't thing Rhaenyra would ever warmed to the Hightowers and so their influence would have been limited.
I imagine Lyanna would be a wonderful “aunt” to Jon. She’d find a place for him at court and make up an excuse saying it was to get him away from Cat out of respect for her. Cat would be very pleased by this and Robert could just assume Lyanna has taken a liking to her nephew. Best part, Jon gets a motherly figure at last!
Personally I think if Lyanna essentially sacrificed herself to do her duty to Robert and keep her son safe she would despise him and they would have a relationship with him loving her and her wanting absolutely nothing to do with him. I also feel like she would insist that even if the world at large couldn’t know Jons true parentage that Jon at least knows. Also if Rhaegar convinced her of the song of ice and fire after the trip north I can totally see Lyanna perhaps not outright killing Robert but arranging his death and putting jon on the throne.
She might even drink moon tea to prevent any unwanted pregnancies with Robert if she couldn’t keep him out of her bed. But the idea of her finding a way to kill Robert and place Jon on the throne is just perfect.
I disagree that it would be that difficult to get Lyanna and baby Jon out of the seven kingdoms. At that point there were still many Houses loyal to the Targaryens that would gladly help them escape and could get them reunited with Dany and Viserys. In that timeline Lyanna, being so strong-willed and with Jon being the rightful heir, could keep the kids from going down the path they did. This could also end up with the "dragon [having] three heads" scenario. I don't know how this would affect the re-emergence of magic in the world, though if any of the kids get married I could still see them getting gifted the eggs. Maybe in that timeline you could have three riders for three dragons that could more easily reclaim the Seven Kingdoms.
@fightingmedialounge519 The fact that most houses still stood with them tells me that it wouldn't be difficult to find a few houses still loyal to them directly as the war is ending. Barristan Selmy is one example of someone who would absolutely have helped them escape, given that he was still singing Rhaegar's praises in Game of Thrones over a decade after the end of the war. I wouldn't suggest that everyone would remain loyalists immediately after. Maybe "gladly" was the wrong verbage, "in hopes of gaining influence upon the Targaryen return to power" and "definitely willing to aid them" would probably be more accurate descriptors.
I thing Viserys wouldn't welcome her, honestly, he always think that Lyanna is Rhaegar's wore, instead a wife or a lover...in addition, he can think that Jon could be a threat in the future, need to remember that Viserys was a mad Targaryen.
I really hate that the show runners named Jon Aegon. It makes no sense why they’d use that name, unless they were trying to include some remnant of the Faegon plot.
What if Myrcella lived. She is still poisoned, but the ship had something to help her. She is still weak and bed ridden so season 6 still plays almost completely the same save for it being her sitting on the Iron Throne at the end of the season instead of Cersei. She knew she was a Bastard so knows she doesn't have a right to it, but if she wanted revenge on the Sand Snakes for how they killed the Martells would she play the role.
I'm not convinced Lyanna was really fully on board to just run away. Remember Rhaegar was both prophecy obsessed and known to have a silver tongue. Not to mention running off on a flight of fancy was massively out of character for her. She's not one to believe in love at true sight and a silver hair prince trying to sweep her off her feet is likely to get a kick between the legs more than a romance. Edit: I just thought of something. Imagine if Miya Stone and John Snow being engaged in this timeline. Imagine if they're given a chance to make a new house name, something like Frostrock or Tundra or something. A way to poke fun at 'their' bastard nature. Throw them lands in The Gift and Jon still becomes a major part of The Night Watch storyline as one of their main suppliers and strongest allies.
True it's out of character if it was 'in the moment' but I fully believe that she and rheagar had been having an affair for AWHILE, so not out of character if they were already messing around before the 'kidnapping'
You saying she didnt believe in love at first sight is projection. Her being a mix of Sansa & Arya fits how Ned parents but later laments he didnt squash Sansas fantastical ideals
Not sure if you take requests, what if Jon Snow did not join the watch. Because after reading the books it seems like that would effects the Starks a lot more than the Knights Watch.
What if Rhaenyra took Gwayne Hightower as a Lover instead of Harwin Strong? What if Lucerys lost his eye *instead* of Aemond? What if both Lucerys & Aemond died in episode 10? What if Aemma Arryn last child, Baelon was born a girl that married Aegon-II? What if Viserys had Aegon II married Rhaenyra *After* Laenor’s death? What if Rhaenyra was like Jaehaerys The Conciliator? What if Rhaenyra Targaryen married Borros Baratheon? What if Viserys-I made Rhaenyra Hand Of The King after Otto’s dismissed/Lyonel’s death? What if Viserys-I made Rhaenys Hand Of The King after Otto’s dismissed/Lyonel’s death? What if Viserys-I made Daemon Hand Of The King after Otto’s dismissed/Lyonel’s death? What if Rhaenyra married Otto after Alicent married Viserys? What if Aegon-III lived longer and made his Daughter Daena hair after the death of his sons? What if Myrcella “Baratheon” married Robb Stark instead Joffrey & Sansa? ✅ *What if Lyanna Stark lived?* ✅ What if Jamie Lannister was at the Tower Of Joy instead of Gerold Hightower?
I like the idea of Laena stark telling her family she leaving with regar to get married. That a few family members are at the wedding and the family has no reason to support robbers rebellion.
I think with the second timeline, if Robert still dies in a hunting accident(Lancel could still be his squire to appease the Lannisters), Tywin would plot with the Tyrells to put Renly on the throne. Perhaps instead of Cersei being married to Edmure, she’s married to Willas instead.
The only reason why John Aryn died was because he found out that Cersi's kids were Jamie's bastard's, and was killed for knowing that knowledge, so John Aryn would probably have lived for longer
Littlefinger had him killed to further his schemes to make war between the Starks and Lannisters. Him finding out about the bastards was just a good cover for him to use for why the "Lannisters" killed him.
I think if Lyanna lived and married Robert. The Lannisters are going to be pissed beyond belief. Hence option 3: Lyanna lives, but Robert sets her aside for Cersei (at Jon Arryn’s advice) and she lives in the North.
Agreed.He fought against the Dynasty and won just to get her back.Lannister Support was nice but Robert didn't really need it.He had already won the war.Robert might have been the only man in the Seven Kingdoms who didn't fear Tywin Lannister.What could Tywin even do?Hold the Capital against Ned and taking the Iron Throne for himself,fighting four of the Seven Kingdoms because Robert wouldn't make his daughter Queen?
@@timoteimiclaus4996 While the possibility may come to mind. Tywin isn't that stupid (Cersei, maybe) to pull anything that drastic. Especially if Lyanna is alive. But a simple thank you isn't going to be enough for him. If Cersei isn't to be queen, then the alternative may be to have Jaime exchanged for, say, Tyrion. In that, Jaime is removed from the Kingsguard and is made heir to Casterly Rock again, and Tyrion is fostered in Kings Landing. The other alternative is for Lyanna to meet an 'accident' when returning to Kings Landing. Again, all eyes would fall on Tywin if such a thing were to happen, and he knows it.
There is literally nothing short of killing Lyanna and blaming it on someone else that Tywin or any other Lannister could do to stop Robert from marrying Lyanna.
•What if Ned asked Robert to legitimise John? •What if Kathelyn was baren? •What if Ned never found out about Cerce having bastards? • What if Littlefinger loved Lysa instead of Kathelyn? •What if the purple wedding never happened? • What if Viserys keeps Alicent as a lover and doesn't marry her? •What if Larys sided with Rhaenyra?
All she needed to do was leave a note to her family saying "hey, I'm okay, but I'm running off with a married man, don't start a revolutionary war or anything whilst I'm gone" so if she lives and explains to Ned, he's going to be pretty annoyed at the countless deaths she caused
What if Rhaenyra stayed in King’s Landing after Season 1, Episode 7? What if the Greens did some marriage alliances between season 1, episodes 7 and 8?
I think that if Lyanna survived, she would have married and fulfilled the oath to Robert. Ned would claim Jon as his bastard but he would ask Robert and Lyanna to foster Jon to save him the shame of raising a bastard in the presence of Catelyn. Robert would agree to do anything for his closest friend and brother he chose. This way Lyanna would raise Jon as one of her own out of loyalty to her brother with Robert none the wiser to the fact that he is her own. Second option is that Jon would be sent to house Dayne to be raised instead. Ned was close to Ashara and journeyed there to return Dawn. It would be easy to hide Jon at Starfall in the territory of Dorne and far from Robert’s eyes. There Jon could be trained and eventually become a great knight or a kingsguard like Ser Arthur. If there was not a clear succession after Robert’s passing. He could come forward at a great council or in a civil war with the support of the North and Dorne as well as other Targaryen Loyalist. This starts him with 2 of the largest militaries in Westeros. It would be easy for him to get the Hightower and Tyrell to join. Potentially by marrying Maergery even. That leaves the Stormlands, riverlands, crownlands, vale and westerlands to overcome. I believe that the vale and riverlands would support him through their connections to the North and by exposing that Ned had not dishonored Catelyn who is a Tully from the Riverlands. Her sister Lyza is crazy but would support Catelyn after a time. Stannis and Renlyn would be crushed by the Dornish/Reach forces while the North/Riverlands/Vale pushed against the Westerlands. Eventually they would fall as well. I think that Ned would be alive to lead the North so Walter Frey and Rose Bolton would not dare to rebel. Robb would likely be betrothed to a daughter of the Dayne as repayment for fostering Jon. At most Bran would marry a Frey daughter.
Jon going to the Daynes is probably more likely if Lyanna lived especially if Jon grew up to have Targaryen features. I dont see Lyanna risking it by having Jon in Kings Landing.
I think that this Is one more interesting posibility if Lyanna marry Robert it Is posible that she not be able to have any children as consekvence of Jon's birth. And after Robert died Lyanna push Jon to be king and to united Targeryans by maridge between Jon and Daenerys
What if Aerys sent Elia aegon and Rhaenys to dragonstone alongside Rhaella and Viserys after daenerys was conceived after the trident battle news arrived?
If Lyanna hides out in the Neck, Jon would probably travel north with Meera and Jojen, where Jon may then tell Bran who he is. Though it's also possible that Jon would join Robb's rebellion as commander of the Crannogmen. Though if Lyanna marries Robert, he'd probably still spiral because he realises it's one-sided, they might end up pretty similar to his marriage with Cersei, but with Lyanna standing up for herself, they may simply not have children, leaving either Stannis as heir, or Robert to have even more bastards and legitimising some.
Yeah, that makes her a hypocrite. And you know what? That's perfectly fine by me. It just shows Lyanna, and Rhaegar too for that matter, were flawed human beings. Not those two paragons of either perfection or villainy people, both in universe and outside, usually paint them as.
Sansa did everything Cersei would do and thoguht she was morally superior to everyone because she was a Stark, these characters are hypocrites which is part of the point.
I doubt Robert ever loved Lyanna. He loved the idea of having her. I would prefer a timeline where Lyanna tells Robert off one for killing her husband and two for not punishing Tywin's men for the Slaughter of Rhaegar's children and Elia. "Go back to your whores Lord Stag. I choose the Dragon"
What if Tywin took the throne instead of Robert? Probably wouldn’t end well for Tywin but maybe he could somehow convince Robert that he wouldn’t like kingship lol
a lot of pro-Baratheon and anti-Targ writers have used this similar concept to make Dany the ultimate villain in their au's. Lyanna doesn't survive but rather there's some true Baratheon born from Robert and Cersei, either a son or a daughter, doesn't matter because everywhere the OC goes, everyone wants them on the Iron Throne. if they meet Jon Snow, it's either a love story or it's just him saying he has no interest in the Throne, so he ends up siding with the Baratheon OC. anyway, it's similar in the case that Westeros is more unified and Dany is more villainized, which is total bullshit bc I mean, she's literally doing what her ancestors did: conquering Westeros. no one told Aegon I that he could do it, he went out and did it and his family ruled for three centuries. then his family lost and the throne was usurped. there is no "she's the rightful heir" or "no, since he's a male, he's the rightful heir", like Varys said, "power resides where we believe it resides." Robert had no right to the Throne and he took it because he had more power. if Dany has the power to take the Throne, she'll take it.
He has a small right due to a Targaryen grandmother, and with all the Targs death or exiled, only Jon, unknowledged, has a better right than Robert...and a united Westeros will defeat Daenerys without a doubt.
@@IceAlvaro13 except Dany isn’t a villain, she might be seen as one to maybe half the country, but the other half will remember that ever since Robert claimed the throne, bad stuff has happened and ever since he died wars have been ongoing. A Targaryen coming in with three dragons might just be a ‘sign’ from the smallfolk that she was destined for the throne. The rest of the nobles will have to be convinced, but ultimately Dany will be a queen, either in Essos or in Westeros.
it probably would have worked better if people knew the full story. I doubt Dorn would have been as good an ally for Robert Barthian as The North and the Starks. Since Ned lost his father and brother, I can't see Ned killing or betraying his sister. Does his sister take the veil (can she with the Old Gods? She can't become a Septa.) SHE can't go to the Wall.
Ain't no way Renly isn't going to be loyal to Robert's true heir. He's just too far down the pecking order for anyone to take him seriously at this point.
I think that she will marry Robert Baratheon in that case, there is no way that she can't avoid that, and Jon, born with Stark traits, can be passed as Robert's son, a thing that I think Robert can allow as, if he does that, he can marry Lyanna as he want.
What if Rhaenyra married Craegan Stark? What if she married the Blackwood kid? What if she refused to marry? What if she married Gwayne Hightower? What if she ran away with Ser Christon?
There's an easy scenario if lyanna died in childbirth, "let's see what the half dragon is worth in a hunt" jon gets a better job instead of the wall and it's joffreys reign before the story is worthy of a series
12:21 cat will npt let a bastard near the queen and king puttimg her shame display she was a cruel cold hearted women to john also she loved robb bit was stupid and lost his ear for him even more then his love did
No, the Rebellion started when the Lord of Winterfell and his eldest son were killed. 2nd, I'm sure Robert would have abused Lyanna just as he did to Cersi. If he had the chance. She never even liked Robert.
Lyanna is not the best at thinking. Doesnt like robert cause she thinks he'll cheat only to go for a married man. Also Robert respects Ned to much to hurt her. One letter from her to Ned and its over
@@Augustus_emperor Lol Ned makes excuses for everything Robert does and only softened on women doing their duty because Lyanna died without Lyanna dying Ned would have just told her to suck it up and do nothing which is what Ned did when it came to Roberts bad side, nothing.
I can’t imagine that Lyanna would marry Rhaegar. I believe it was forced upon her. She did not want to be with Robert because he was a brute and could not be faithful. Rhaegar was MARRIED with children already. In my mind, a woman like Lyanna would not have been okay being the other woman.
What if Viserys and Daemon brother Aegon was alive. Because remember they did have another brother but he died, so if he was alive would he be the middle ground between Viserys and Daemon, or be like Deamon or like Viserys. Also when part 2 of what if Deamon and Mysaria had a son because I what to see him claim the Cannibal.
I was thinking one of the scenarios would carry forward with Robert marrying Lyanna but also knowing of/keeping Jon. In a scenario that draws parallels from Witcher 3's Bloody Barron and Anna/Tamara. Specifically with how Anna mocks/theorizes that Tamara wasnt his. Basically, itd be one where Robert still loves Lyanna so much that he loves Jon too cause he's more of her. Specially because of the hair. But Lyanna grows bitter that he killed her 'real love', and Robert suffers for it. Which drives him into his drinking and tantrums anyway, and Jon would calm him. Since he still embodied that part of Lyanna that Robert tell in love with. Soon enough, Lyanna wouldve ended up pregnant again. Theyd still find their 'moments' from time to time. But a bitter Lyanna not wanting to deliver this child (named Dea 😉) would drink a potion to that effect. Robert would find out, and become furious that he'd strike out at her in a way where even Jon is fed up. Cause he actually hit his mother for the first time. He and his mother would escape to Winterfell. By which time, Jon would find out who he really is. And then the series would end with a poetically just conclusion, of a Targaryen righteously rebelling against a Baratheon. As opposed to the start. Naturally this means no Dany and dragons since Barristan would stay put. And I believe the walkers only got through because they got a dragon to break the wall. Otherwise, Brandon the Builder's magic would keep them at bay.
What if Jon Arryn sided with the mad king and killed Robert and Ned stark when they were at his home? Cause i believe that it was said in the got lore and history that rob and ned where at Jon's home when he got the order from aerys
In all honesty, I don't think RB loved her. Like Rhaegar, he used her, but to take the throne, RB has Targaryen blood, the line is a bastard line of the Targaryens and his grandmother was a Targaryen. I feel like he seen Aerys as sad and pathetic, nothing like a true knight and king should be. So Lyanna being taken was an excuse to take the throne. Such a whoremonger, I don't believe he cared, only played it up around Ned to keep him a close ally. RB was a bad King, he let the Lannister run around doing whatever, taking over the red keep by filling them with soley Lannister supporters, none are really RB's and if they are, they are drunks. I think he regrets using her as an excuse to take the crown since he doesn't get anything from it really. He could drink and bed any wench he wanted without the crown. So, I think his sadness and lack of fight has to do with, "this is what I fought for" type of deal and him realizing it wasn't worth it in the end. His wife is crazy, his son is crazy, he doesn't even notice the other two, everyone is plotting and scheming around him, even his own brothers, because the second RB dies, they would both jump into action regardless since a bastard would sit the throne, SB knew the truth, RenlyB was being fed poison through honey words by LT. RB even hints at it himself by saying he could just leave and be a sell sword, but the thought of his crazy son on the throne stops him. Funny how he got rid of the mad king only to "father" a mad son. Also Joffrey's madness could have came from both bloodlines, The Baratheon-Targaryen blood and then the double incest on the Lannister side, since Tywin married his cousin Joanna, then Cersei and Jaime, but seeing how his two younger siblings turned out good and sweet, since cersei's attention was on Joffrey, the other two had a fair chance to grow up normal, the only thing being Tommen being tormented by Joffrey making him soft and shy.
What if Drogo lived, BUT Dany still miscarries no matter what. (considering how inbred she is, how miscarriages and deformed stillbirths run in her family, how she's a tiny 13-14 year old, well book version, and Drogo is a large adult man, therefore a LARGE baby in a tiny, immature, mother... I don't believe for a second Mirri's ritual had anything to do with the miscarriage.)
Eh, the video would be better without the second part, it too unrealistic and uncharatcheristic for Lyanna, plus it just weriedly just the original timeline but lyanna exist so it's pointless as well, so yeah, it could just been the first part and it be perfect but that's just my opinion.
Did anyone see ep 8 leaks? Team Green is DEAD, Alicent is officially the WORST parent in GRRM world and yes even above Tywin. Season 8 gets brought up again, Daemon follows Rhaenyra cuz of prophecy, Alys Rivers is Mellisandre 2.0 confirmed so her & Aemond is not happening. Aemond is INSANE & fully DUMB, nobody likes him on Team Green, so he is SOLO going forward. Aegon flees with Larys, he also renounces Aemond and says once the war is over i will execute him so the Statues he builds for Aemond in the books is false. Alicent sells her family apart from Haelena, she meets with Rhaenyra on Dragon Stone and tells her Aemond will leave and she will allow her to march in KL, Rhaenyra tells her she will behead Aegon and Alicent is like OK. Terrible show, season 3 will be bad also.
Lyanna surviving is the ASOIAF equivalent of Padme surviving childbirth
What if Rhaenyra married Gwayne Hightower? (or alternatively, what if Rhaenyra took Gwayne as her lover instead of Harwin Strong)
Otto wouldnt oppose Rhaenyra's ascent to the throne but he wouldnt oppose Aegon's either. After all, a Hightower sits on the iron throne regardless. However, if Gwain is a lover, Otto would probably lean more to Aegon as he's legitimate. Allicent would be pissed at Gwain for sleeping with the married princess and pissed at Rhaenyra for turning her brother into her boytoy
The family dynamic would be a MASSIVE mess even more so than before. We’d need even more popcorn to watch
Rhaenyra should have married Aegon. Otto Hightower proposed this to Viserys at that big hunt. Yes Rhaenyra was 16 and Aegon was 2, but he would grew up and during that time Rhaenyra would have been a positive influence in his life and he would have grown up a better person. And they would be King and Queen together. Peace time ruling Aegon would likely be bored and she could run things. And no succession crisis. Her bloodline continued. And yes the heir would have Hightower blood,but I Don't thing Rhaenyra would ever warmed to the Hightowers and so their influence would have been limited.
I imagine Lyanna would be a wonderful “aunt” to Jon. She’d find a place for him at court and make up an excuse saying it was to get him away from Cat out of respect for her. Cat would be very pleased by this and Robert could just assume Lyanna has taken a liking to her nephew. Best part, Jon gets a motherly figure at last!
Personally I think if Lyanna essentially sacrificed herself to do her duty to Robert and keep her son safe she would despise him and they would have a relationship with him loving her and her wanting absolutely nothing to do with him. I also feel like she would insist that even if the world at large couldn’t know Jons true parentage that Jon at least knows. Also if Rhaegar convinced her of the song of ice and fire after the trip north I can totally see Lyanna perhaps not outright killing Robert but arranging his death and putting jon on the throne.
She might even drink moon tea to prevent any unwanted pregnancies with Robert if she couldn’t keep him out of her bed.
But the idea of her finding a way to kill Robert and place Jon on the throne is just perfect.
I hate her because of her so many people died
I think Lyanna marryng Robert will keep Jon safe, as a boy with Stark traits, Jon can be passed as a Robert's son and it will keep him safe.
I disagree that it would be that difficult to get Lyanna and baby Jon out of the seven kingdoms. At that point there were still many Houses loyal to the Targaryens that would gladly help them escape and could get them reunited with Dany and Viserys. In that timeline Lyanna, being so strong-willed and with Jon being the rightful heir, could keep the kids from going down the path they did. This could also end up with the "dragon [having] three heads" scenario. I don't know how this would affect the re-emergence of magic in the world, though if any of the kids get married I could still see them getting gifted the eggs. Maybe in that timeline you could have three riders for three dragons that could more easily reclaim the Seven Kingdoms.
A 2nd Aegon's Conquest
Wouldn't gladly considering what lyanna represents.
@@fightingmedialounge519 What does she represent?
@@TannerWeinberg the royal family failing to perform their duties and launching the kingdoms into a horrifying war
@fightingmedialounge519 The fact that most houses still stood with them tells me that it wouldn't be difficult to find a few houses still loyal to them directly as the war is ending. Barristan Selmy is one example of someone who would absolutely have helped them escape, given that he was still singing Rhaegar's praises in Game of Thrones over a decade after the end of the war. I wouldn't suggest that everyone would remain loyalists immediately after. Maybe "gladly" was the wrong verbage, "in hopes of gaining influence upon the Targaryen return to power" and "definitely willing to aid them" would probably be more accurate descriptors.
I could see her moving to Essos and raising Viserys, Dani and Jon as an extended family ?
Same XD
I thing Viserys wouldn't welcome her, honestly, he always think that Lyanna is Rhaegar's wore, instead a wife or a lover...in addition, he can think that Jon could be a threat in the future, need to remember that Viserys was a mad Targaryen.
You know another thing I could totally picture Lyanna giving Catlynn a fucking word about guest right and why she needs to treat Jon a lot better
I really hate that the show runners named Jon Aegon. It makes no sense why they’d use that name, unless they were trying to include some remnant of the Faegon plot.
Only thing I disagree with (thus far) is that Lyanna and Robert would absolutely have a son named Eddard or some variation thereof.
What if Myrcella lived. She is still poisoned, but the ship had something to help her. She is still weak and bed ridden so season 6 still plays almost completely the same save for it being her sitting on the Iron Throne at the end of the season instead of Cersei. She knew she was a Bastard so knows she doesn't have a right to it, but if she wanted revenge on the Sand Snakes for how they killed the Martells would she play the role.
She's still alive in the book
@SjofnBM1989 as far as I can tell they go by the show with taking some ideas from the book if something was more cleared up there.
@@DarkApostleNoek In the books with Arianne the things can be different.
I could see in this timeline, Lyanna encouraging her son Steffon reaching out and purposing marriage to Dany, after Robert's death.
I'm not convinced Lyanna was really fully on board to just run away. Remember Rhaegar was both prophecy obsessed and known to have a silver tongue. Not to mention running off on a flight of fancy was massively out of character for her. She's not one to believe in love at true sight and a silver hair prince trying to sweep her off her feet is likely to get a kick between the legs more than a romance.
Edit: I just thought of something. Imagine if Miya Stone and John Snow being engaged in this timeline. Imagine if they're given a chance to make a new house name, something like Frostrock or Tundra or something. A way to poke fun at 'their' bastard nature. Throw them lands in The Gift and Jon still becomes a major part of The Night Watch storyline as one of their main suppliers and strongest allies.
I can see Jon falling for Mya. He likes that fiery character in a woman after all (or should I say "stormy" in this instance).
@@fourth-dimensionalbeing9737nice one 🤣
True it's out of character if it was 'in the moment' but I fully believe that she and rheagar had been having an affair for AWHILE, so not out of character if they were already messing around before the 'kidnapping'
You saying she didnt believe in love at first sight is projection. Her being a mix of Sansa & Arya fits how Ned parents but later laments he didnt squash Sansas fantastical ideals
Not sure if you take requests, what if Jon Snow did not join the watch. Because after reading the books it seems like that would effects the Starks a lot more than the Knights Watch.
What if Rhaenyra took Gwayne Hightower as a Lover instead of Harwin Strong?
What if Lucerys lost his eye *instead* of Aemond?
What if both Lucerys & Aemond died in episode 10?
What if Aemma Arryn last child, Baelon was born a girl that married Aegon-II?
What if Viserys had Aegon II married Rhaenyra *After* Laenor’s death?
What if Rhaenyra was like Jaehaerys The Conciliator?
What if Rhaenyra Targaryen married Borros Baratheon?
What if Viserys-I made Rhaenyra Hand Of The King after Otto’s dismissed/Lyonel’s death?
What if Viserys-I made Rhaenys Hand Of The King after Otto’s dismissed/Lyonel’s death?
What if Viserys-I made Daemon Hand Of The King after Otto’s dismissed/Lyonel’s death?
What if Rhaenyra married Otto after Alicent married Viserys?
What if Aegon-III lived longer and made his Daughter Daena hair after the death of his sons?
What if Myrcella “Baratheon” married Robb Stark instead Joffrey & Sansa?
✅ *What if Lyanna Stark lived?* ✅
What if Jamie Lannister was at the Tower Of Joy instead of Gerold Hightower?
@@matheusdemello2323 Daemon would have a stroke if Rhaenyra took Otto's son as a lover.
@@amorojaz27 he'd have a bigger stroke if Rhae picked Otto
@@ifeeldead463 Rhaenyra has slightly better taste than that.
@@amorojaz27 eh true, just saying if you want to give Daemon a stroke he ca never recover from, Otto's right there
@@ifeeldead463 true, but Rhaenyra would rather jump off the Tower of the Hand than marry Otto.
Just for fun. What if Alicent and Rhaenyra's kids decided not to partake in their mother's feud?
i think the will be no war i guess but i love you're idea good one
Yooo please do a part 2 of this it's fantastic
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I like the idea of Laena stark telling her family she leaving with regar to get married. That a few family members are at the wedding and the family has no reason to support robbers rebellion.
I think with the second timeline, if Robert still dies in a hunting accident(Lancel could still be his squire to appease the Lannisters), Tywin would plot with the Tyrells to put Renly on the throne. Perhaps instead of Cersei being married to Edmure, she’s married to Willas instead.
What if the dragons recovered after the dance? Imagine the blackfyre rebellions and aerys II with dragons
please I love your stuff, Rhaegar has no reason to name 2 of his sons Aegon
What if Steffon Darklyn actually claimed Seasmoke? That'd be neat, especially for the repercussions for House Darklyn.
The only reason why John Aryn died was because he found out that Cersi's kids were Jamie's bastard's, and was killed for knowing that knowledge, so John Aryn would probably have lived for longer
Littlefinger had him killed to further his schemes to make war between the Starks and Lannisters. Him finding out about the bastards was just a good cover for him to use for why the "Lannisters" killed him.
I think if Lyanna lived and married Robert. The Lannisters are going to be pissed beyond belief. Hence option 3: Lyanna lives, but Robert sets her aside for Cersei (at Jon Arryn’s advice) and she lives in the North.
I don’t think Robert ever would set her aside, he just went to literal war over her.
Agreed.He fought against the Dynasty and won just to get her back.Lannister Support was nice but Robert didn't really need it.He had already won the war.Robert might have been the only man in the Seven Kingdoms who didn't fear Tywin Lannister.What could Tywin even do?Hold the Capital against Ned and taking the Iron Throne for himself,fighting four of the Seven Kingdoms because Robert wouldn't make his daughter Queen?
@@timoteimiclaus4996 While the possibility may come to mind. Tywin isn't that stupid (Cersei, maybe) to pull anything that drastic. Especially if Lyanna is alive. But a simple thank you isn't going to be enough for him. If Cersei isn't to be queen, then the alternative may be to have Jaime exchanged for, say, Tyrion. In that, Jaime is removed from the Kingsguard and is made heir to Casterly Rock again, and Tyrion is fostered in Kings Landing.
The other alternative is for Lyanna to meet an 'accident' when returning to Kings Landing. Again, all eyes would fall on Tywin if such a thing were to happen, and he knows it.
There is literally nothing short of killing Lyanna and blaming it on someone else that Tywin or any other Lannister could do to stop Robert from marrying Lyanna.
Another great one bro 💪🏾
Much appreciated as always
Stay well bro
•What if Ned asked Robert to legitimise John?
•What if Kathelyn was baren?
•What if Ned never found out about Cerce having bastards?
• What if Littlefinger loved Lysa instead of Kathelyn?
•What if the purple wedding never happened?
• What if Viserys keeps Alicent as a lover and doesn't marry her?
•What if Larys sided with Rhaenyra?
Kathelyn?
All she needed to do was leave a note to her family saying "hey, I'm okay, but I'm running off with a married man, don't start a revolutionary war or anything whilst I'm gone" so if she lives and explains to Ned, he's going to be pretty annoyed at the countless deaths she caused
Idea: What if Aemond and Vhagar survive the Battle Above the God's Eye but Daemon and Caraxes do not?
The greens just win
Then the Blacks are over.
What if Lyanna really did fake her death and she is living as Jyanna Reed?
I would make "arreljay" the first syllables of a spell that we later see completed, thus completely ganking everyone's head cannon
Can’t wait for what if Jon Arryn lived or at least long enough to tell Robert the truth
And what if Stannis stays in kings landing when Jon Arryn dies
what if aegon aemond jacaerys and lucerys got along when they were younger
Day two of asking you for that Maegor fan fic 😭😭
More importantly, do we still get the direwolves?!?!
what if jon snow looked like a targaryen?
What if Rhaenyra stayed in King’s Landing after Season 1, Episode 7?
What if the Greens did some marriage alliances between season 1, episodes 7 and 8?
I think that if Lyanna survived, she would have married and fulfilled the oath to Robert. Ned would claim Jon as his bastard but he would ask Robert and Lyanna to foster Jon to save him the shame of raising a bastard in the presence of Catelyn. Robert would agree to do anything for his closest friend and brother he chose. This way Lyanna would raise Jon as one of her own out of loyalty to her brother with Robert none the wiser to the fact that he is her own.
Second option is that Jon would be sent to house Dayne to be raised instead. Ned was close to Ashara and journeyed there to return Dawn. It would be easy to hide Jon at Starfall in the territory of Dorne and far from Robert’s eyes. There Jon could be trained and eventually become a great knight or a kingsguard like Ser Arthur. If there was not a clear succession after Robert’s passing. He could come forward at a great council or in a civil war with the support of the North and Dorne as well as other Targaryen Loyalist. This starts him with 2 of the largest militaries in Westeros. It would be easy for him to get the Hightower and Tyrell to join. Potentially by marrying Maergery even. That leaves the Stormlands, riverlands, crownlands, vale and westerlands to overcome. I believe that the vale and riverlands would support him through their connections to the North and by exposing that Ned had not dishonored Catelyn who is a Tully from the Riverlands. Her sister Lyza is crazy but would support Catelyn after a time. Stannis and Renlyn would be crushed by the Dornish/Reach forces while the North/Riverlands/Vale pushed against the Westerlands. Eventually they would fall as well. I think that Ned would be alive to lead the North so Walter Frey and Rose Bolton would not dare to rebel. Robb would likely be betrothed to a daughter of the Dayne as repayment for fostering Jon. At most Bran would marry a Frey daughter.
Jon going to the Daynes is probably more likely if Lyanna lived especially if Jon grew up to have Targaryen features. I dont see Lyanna risking it by having Jon in Kings Landing.
I think that this Is one more interesting posibility if Lyanna marry Robert it Is posible that she not be able to have any children as consekvence of Jon's birth. And after Robert died Lyanna push Jon to be king and to united Targeryans by maridge between Jon and Daenerys
What if the White Walkers invaded after Aemond killed Lucerys.
In HOTD the White Walkers would win for sure.
I'm surpurised no one has ever made a "What if Lyanna wrote a letter to her family."
What is Jon was born with white hair??
Or purple eyes
@@forcecaptainoverlordsuprem2964 or both!
Then he will be killed, except if Ned send him to Essos to save him.
I can see the oldest son of Robert being married to Margery Tyrell
What if Aerys sent Elia aegon and Rhaenys to dragonstone alongside Rhaella and Viserys after daenerys was conceived after the trident battle news arrived?
If Lyanna hides out in the Neck, Jon would probably travel north with Meera and Jojen, where Jon may then tell Bran who he is. Though it's also possible that Jon would join Robb's rebellion as commander of the Crannogmen.
Though if Lyanna marries Robert, he'd probably still spiral because he realises it's one-sided, they might end up pretty similar to his marriage with Cersei, but with Lyanna standing up for herself, they may simply not have children, leaving either Stannis as heir, or Robert to have even more bastards and legitimising some.
What if hugh hammer was legitimized
What if viserys and daenerys were made wards rather than going into exile
I'd love to see your views on these
it always amuses me -
Lyanna didn't like that Robert slept around.....as she you know fooled around with Elia Martel's husband.
Yeah, that makes her a hypocrite. And you know what? That's perfectly fine by me. It just shows Lyanna, and Rhaegar too for that matter, were flawed human beings. Not those two paragons of either perfection or villainy people, both in universe and outside, usually paint them as.
Sansa did everything Cersei would do and thoguht she was morally superior to everyone because she was a Stark, these characters are hypocrites which is part of the point.
What if egg brought back the dragons at summerhall
Nope: Robert "loved" Lyanna because he never had her. That was his way: be mad for them in the nighttime, forget them in the morning.
I doubt Robert ever loved Lyanna. He loved the idea of having her. I would prefer a timeline where Lyanna tells Robert off one for killing her husband and two for not punishing Tywin's men for the Slaughter of Rhaegar's children and Elia.
"Go back to your whores Lord Stag. I choose the Dragon"
What if Tywin took the throne instead of Robert? Probably wouldn’t end well for Tywin but maybe he could somehow convince Robert that he wouldn’t like kingship lol
a lot of pro-Baratheon and anti-Targ writers have used this similar concept to make Dany the ultimate villain in their au's. Lyanna doesn't survive but rather there's some true Baratheon born from Robert and Cersei, either a son or a daughter, doesn't matter because everywhere the OC goes, everyone wants them on the Iron Throne. if they meet Jon Snow, it's either a love story or it's just him saying he has no interest in the Throne, so he ends up siding with the Baratheon OC. anyway, it's similar in the case that Westeros is more unified and Dany is more villainized, which is total bullshit bc I mean, she's literally doing what her ancestors did: conquering Westeros. no one told Aegon I that he could do it, he went out and did it and his family ruled for three centuries. then his family lost and the throne was usurped. there is no "she's the rightful heir" or "no, since he's a male, he's the rightful heir", like Varys said, "power resides where we believe it resides." Robert had no right to the Throne and he took it because he had more power. if Dany has the power to take the Throne, she'll take it.
He has a small right due to a Targaryen grandmother, and with all the Targs death or exiled, only Jon, unknowledged, has a better right than Robert...and a united Westeros will defeat Daenerys without a doubt.
@@IceAlvaro13 except Dany isn’t a villain, she might be seen as one to maybe half the country, but the other half will remember that ever since Robert claimed the throne, bad stuff has happened and ever since he died wars have been ongoing. A Targaryen coming in with three dragons might just be a ‘sign’ from the smallfolk that she was destined for the throne. The rest of the nobles will have to be convinced, but ultimately Dany will be a queen, either in Essos or in Westeros.
it probably would have worked better if people knew the full story.
I doubt Dorn would have been as good an ally for Robert Barthian as The North and the Starks.
Since Ned lost his father and brother, I can't see Ned killing or betraying his sister.
Does his sister take the veil (can she with the Old Gods? She can't become a Septa.)
SHE can't go to the Wall.
If she survives, her and Jon would go to greywater watch.
Ain't no way Renly isn't going to be loyal to Robert's true heir. He's just too far down the pecking order for anyone to take him seriously at this point.
You know I could still see a marriage pact happening it would just be between Mya and Jon
You should try 'What If Ned pretended Jon Snow was Howland Reed's Bastard'
What if Rhaenyra married Prince Qoren Martell and brought Dorne into a unified Westeros earlier than OTL?
Jon could join the kingsguard instead of the nights watch.
what if the Targaryen where not the only dragon lord that survived the Doom
I think that she will marry Robert Baratheon in that case, there is no way that she can't avoid that, and Jon, born with Stark traits, can be passed as Robert's son, a thing that I think Robert can allow as, if he does that, he can marry Lyanna as he want.
Wouldn’t it be cool if there was a what if animation series like marvel did but game of thrones.
What if Rhaenyra married Craegan Stark? What if she married the Blackwood kid? What if she refused to marry? What if she married Gwayne Hightower? What if she ran away with Ser Christon?
do the one where tirion goes to the wall after trial
What if that boar had killed rhaneyra in kingswood
There's an easy scenario if lyanna died in childbirth, "let's see what the half dragon is worth in a hunt" jon gets a better job instead of the wall and it's joffreys reign before the story is worthy of a series
What If dragonseeds didn't betrayal Rhaenyra
The blacks just win
Robert would kill her. At this point he has already killed Prince Rhaegar. He would tear down every Targaryen. Including her brand new babe.
When are we getting your analysis for The Red Sowing?
Friday. Saturday at the latest.
The best timeline
What if aegom v mennege to hatch a dragon eggs in summerhall?
So like can a part 2 be made to this with dany coming and maybe Jon finds out he is a targaryen
12:21 cat will npt let a bastard near the queen and king puttimg her shame display she was a cruel cold hearted women to john also she loved robb bit was stupid and lost his ear for him even more then his love did
Gonna ask this one again What If Corlys actually died in episode 7
No, the Rebellion started when the Lord of Winterfell and his eldest son were killed.
2nd, I'm sure Robert would have abused Lyanna just as he did to Cersi. If he had the chance. She never even liked Robert.
Lyanna is not the best at thinking. Doesnt like robert cause she thinks he'll cheat only to go for a married man. Also Robert respects Ned to much to hurt her. One letter from her to Ned and its over
@@Augustus_emperor Lol Ned makes excuses for everything Robert does and only softened on women doing their duty because Lyanna died without Lyanna dying Ned would have just told her to suck it up and do nothing which is what Ned did when it came to Roberts bad side, nothing.
What if the COTF had large numbers as much as the first men and Andals?
I can’t imagine that Lyanna would marry Rhaegar. I believe it was forced upon her. She did not want to be with Robert because he was a brute and could not be faithful. Rhaegar was MARRIED with children already. In my mind, a woman like Lyanna would not have been okay being the other woman.
Cope harder
What if Viserys and Daemon brother Aegon was alive.
Because remember they did have another brother but he died, so if he was alive would he be the middle ground between Viserys and Daemon, or be like Deamon or like Viserys.
Also when part 2 of what if Deamon and Mysaria had a son because I what to see him claim the Cannibal.
What if Aegon successfully conquered Dorne
The only thing that changes is Rhaenys lives (and actually maybe not). Nothing much changes in the grand scheme of things
I was thinking one of the scenarios would carry forward with Robert marrying Lyanna but also knowing of/keeping Jon.
In a scenario that draws parallels from Witcher 3's Bloody Barron and Anna/Tamara. Specifically with how Anna mocks/theorizes that Tamara wasnt his.
Basically, itd be one where Robert still loves Lyanna so much that he loves Jon too cause he's more of her. Specially because of the hair. But Lyanna grows bitter that he killed her 'real love', and Robert suffers for it. Which drives him into his drinking and tantrums anyway, and Jon would calm him. Since he still embodied that part of Lyanna that Robert tell in love with.
Soon enough, Lyanna wouldve ended up pregnant again. Theyd still find their 'moments' from time to time. But a bitter Lyanna not wanting to deliver this child (named Dea 😉) would drink a potion to that effect.
Robert would find out, and become furious that he'd strike out at her in a way where even Jon is fed up. Cause he actually hit his mother for the first time.
He and his mother would escape to Winterfell. By which time, Jon would find out who he really is. And then the series would end with a poetically just conclusion, of a Targaryen righteously rebelling against a Baratheon. As opposed to the start.
Naturally this means no Dany and dragons since Barristan would stay put. And I believe the walkers only got through because they got a dragon to break the wall. Otherwise, Brandon the Builder's magic would keep them at bay.
What if Jon Arryn sided with the mad king and killed Robert and Ned stark when they were at his home? Cause i believe that it was said in the got lore and history that rob and ned where at Jon's home when he got the order from aerys
Jon should have been named Edgon. It would have been a nice mash up of names within the families and Rhaegar already had a son named Aegon.
these videos are like crack to me
What if both Rhaegar and Lyanna live
What if elia martell and her children survive .
What if Ned tell Catelyn truth about and after Ned's dead she revil truth and North fith for Jon's claim on throne
What if Jon became king
In all honesty, I don't think RB loved her. Like Rhaegar, he used her, but to take the throne, RB has Targaryen blood, the line is a bastard line of the Targaryens and his grandmother was a Targaryen. I feel like he seen Aerys as sad and pathetic, nothing like a true knight and king should be. So Lyanna being taken was an excuse to take the throne. Such a whoremonger, I don't believe he cared, only played it up around Ned to keep him a close ally. RB was a bad King, he let the Lannister run around doing whatever, taking over the red keep by filling them with soley Lannister supporters, none are really RB's and if they are, they are drunks.
I think he regrets using her as an excuse to take the crown since he doesn't get anything from it really. He could drink and bed any wench he wanted without the crown. So, I think his sadness and lack of fight has to do with, "this is what I fought for" type of deal and him realizing it wasn't worth it in the end. His wife is crazy, his son is crazy, he doesn't even notice the other two, everyone is plotting and scheming around him, even his own brothers, because the second RB dies, they would both jump into action regardless since a bastard would sit the throne, SB knew the truth, RenlyB was being fed poison through honey words by LT.
RB even hints at it himself by saying he could just leave and be a sell sword, but the thought of his crazy son on the throne stops him. Funny how he got rid of the mad king only to "father" a mad son. Also Joffrey's madness could have came from both bloodlines, The Baratheon-Targaryen blood and then the double incest on the Lannister side, since Tywin married his cousin Joanna, then Cersei and Jaime, but seeing how his two younger siblings turned out good and sweet, since cersei's attention was on Joffrey, the other two had a fair chance to grow up normal, the only thing being Tommen being tormented by Joffrey making him soft and shy.
What if daemon and caraxes lived
Too soon to be asking this.
Spoilers dammit.
Daemon’s body was never found so maybe……
The blacks just win
What if Drogo lived, BUT Dany still miscarries no matter what. (considering how inbred she is, how miscarriages and deformed stillbirths run in her family, how she's a tiny 13-14 year old, well book version, and Drogo is a large adult man, therefore a LARGE baby in a tiny, immature, mother... I don't believe for a second Mirri's ritual had anything to do with the miscarriage.)
Eh, the video would be better without the second part, it too unrealistic and uncharatcheristic for Lyanna, plus it just weriedly just the original timeline but lyanna exist so it's pointless as well, so yeah, it could just been the first part and it be perfect but that's just my opinion.
she fakes her death and goes to essos to find the only family she has, the other white haired people
If Jon was with the reeds I think he would have been chosen to be the 3 eyed raven instead of bran
Did anyone see ep 8 leaks? Team Green is DEAD, Alicent is officially the WORST parent in GRRM world and yes even above Tywin. Season 8 gets brought up again, Daemon follows Rhaenyra cuz of prophecy, Alys Rivers is Mellisandre 2.0 confirmed so her & Aemond is not happening. Aemond is INSANE & fully DUMB, nobody likes him on Team Green, so he is SOLO going forward. Aegon flees with Larys, he also renounces Aemond and says once the war is over i will execute him so the Statues he builds for Aemond in the books is false. Alicent sells her family apart from Haelena, she meets with Rhaenyra on Dragon Stone and tells her Aemond will leave and she will allow her to march in KL, Rhaenyra tells her she will behead Aegon and Alicent is like OK. Terrible show, season 3 will be bad also.
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Lyanna belongs to the streets