Rapid Fire Bad Takes
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ย. 2023
- Jon brings up Pascal’s Wager which is easy to refute, but then takes a hard right turn to God creating the USA, as the greatest nation?
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"Because your religion is affecting our LIVES!!!"
- Armin
👏👏👏👏👏👏
No it isn't and you know it. Your belief or unbelief doesn't affect me. What a terrible saying. Yes, societies religion like the muslim religion affects society and christianity has affected this american society by creating universities and medical advancements and mans other benefits to this society. These 2 clowns are legends in their own minds. They are laughable under the disguise of atheism which they don't believe in. Your obsession with the fear of hell or the afterlife shows that you really do care about it.
The statement that the Christian God created "the greatest country in the world, the United States" is so wild for so many reasons, not the least of which is that JON IS CANADIAN! 😂
Why would someone, a foolish person, say that? It’s not biblical, nor is there “this God” or “that God”. There is the God of the Bible, and then there are false, man made Gods.
Period.
And no, as an American, I can assure you that America is not great.
That would fit his malevolent 😈 manipulation modus operandi.
What's really funny is that the Roman Empire condemned the early Christian mystery-cults for "atheism" because they did not partake in ceremonial offerings of the Imperial Cult. And what has Christianity become now, but the new Imperial Cult of the American Empire, with "atheism" it's enemy.
Nothing much to add except ..... lol, lol, rofl lol !
Little brother complex.
Why didnt Jons god give him the strength to stay on the call after his feelings were hurt
Puny god.
Well it's no fun for Jon to stick around if the hosts aren't going to let him keep spreading his anti-trans bigotry...
Why do atheists humanist commit suicide if somebody doesn't believe in their gender fairies
@@AtheistCulturalMarxist Psst... religious people commit suicide. But generally, when people are persecuted and bigots make their lives intolerable, it causes stress that leads to higher suicide.
You know what would be nice? If guys like you would stop being such bigots.
@@AtheistCulturalMarxisthaha
You just want to deflect from the fact that your god is weak with that irrelevant nonsense
Shame, your god is weak and can't be proven to exist 😂
Threatening an atheist with hell is the same as threatening one with Tatooine . Both are figments of someone's imagination .
Is that the case with the planet Pern? I really wish I could meet a telepathic dragon.
@@arnoldfossman1701 That's a deep cut.
Someone should make a movie from that book series.
*Enter Mos Eisley catina fill with religion people*
Obi wan Kenobi: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious.
Luke: hey! That Mormons religion looks cool.
The Jedi mind-trick doesn't have a scratch on Christianity.
Bad analogy, The planet Tattooine is more realistic than hell
"Why do you care what others believe?" ask the same people who force their children to attend church and religious education and chastise them if they express doubts.
"Why do you care what others believe?" ask the people TRYING TO FORCE EVERYONE TO BELIEVE THE SAME FUCKING THINGS AS THEM.
Palpatine: "ironic"
More than chastise for doubts...some get so insane with their beliefs they'll abandon family, even young kids, for not holding the same abusive, untrue, and idiotic religious beliefs...not just adults either, but kids as well sometimes.
Growing up going to multiple different private christian schools I can absolutely confirm this 👌
@@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable Oh are they going from door to door now, to spread the hopeful message? I didn't know yet.
Jon is one of my favorite callers. He so confidently presents the worst arguments and consistently demonstrates his inability to reason.
And he hung up 😂.
Oh man my blood boils from hearing these idiotic theists who never used their brain ever in the life. I swear dude needs to be sat down and listen me demonstrating him how trash of a immoral person he is, afterwards show him the evil religion has done and keeps doing to society and then finish with some basic science facts, then maybe he can be considered a person, so far he is a worthless scumbag.
And the moment he is confronted and his terrible arguments are dismantled, he changes the subject and completely ignores everything that was said.
"Inability to reason?" Says the lost and clueless atheist fool that thinks star dust, moist rocks and mud puddles have the INTELLIGENCE, POWER, PURPOSE, RESOURCES AND MEANS to create/design LIFE, INTELLIGENCE, LOVE, CONSCIOUSNESS, MORALITY, the human being and ALL the co-existent bodily systems (circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, pulmonic, digestive, skeletal, muscular, nervous, body (skin), etc., etc.) intertwined in co-dependent order in the human body :) Atheism is pure idiocy.
The religious cult of atheism is INFAMOUS the world over for having ZERO ANSWERS. That's because atheism RUNS from "reality." I would add that as an atheist, you're bankrupt of RATIONAL/POSSIBLE causes for life, intelligence, consciousness, morality and ALL the co-existent bodily systems (circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, pulmonic, digestive, skeletal, muscular, nervous, body (skin), etc., etc.) intertwined in co-dependent order in the human body.
Atheism has no RATIONAL/POSSIBLE, step by step atheist explanation for reality. That’s because there isn’t one. THINK ABOUT what you’re getting into w/ the cult of atheism. GET OUT NOW. I’ll help you find truth. Atheism has none.
@@sineaddwanson9294 Why do you believe that your god created man from some moist dust?
@@sineaddwanson9294
Give me a step by step explanation for reality. Explain every single step and then prove that the steps happened. Every. Single. One.
“Those gods aren’t the real ones”
PROVE IT!
that "loving" god sure hates a lot
Well, it's all your fault for making him punish you for an eternity. He's sad for every second of torment that he's inflicting on you. If only he could just unconditionally forgive you for your sins. But it's not like he's omnipotent or anything...
And their "loving" god always seems to hate the same people that they do and would vote the same way that they do.
What if we've chosen the wrong God? Every time we go to church we're just making him madder & madder.- Homer Simpson I was laughing my head off when I heard this as even someone like Homer saw the problem with Pascal's Wager.
Or when Abe is having that fit on the church floor in the movie, Homer grabs a bible "ahh! There are no answers in this book!" 😂 Simpsons are so good at roasting religion, bums me out to no end that Nancy Cartwright is a scientologist
There's no such thing as different God.
You're confusing God with a god.
If you believe the origins of life is the result of a Creator you believe in God.
@@AtheistCulturalMarxist Well, no, there are different conceptions of 'God', so there is in fact such a thing as a different 'God'.
@@AtheistCulturalMarxist wrong.
@@AtheistCulturalMarxistWe don't believe the origins of life were the result of a creator, with a Capital C or not.
If, when I die, I find there's a god after all,
I'll perform a Citizen's arrest and accuse him for crimes against Humanity 😂🤣😂🤣😂
I'll go m'f'n Dr. Strange on his ass...
"Oh, you're a being that exists outside of all time and are eternal? Good, cause I've got a LOT of shit you need to answer for, and it's gonna take a while."
I'll bring the fuzzy handcuffs
I once saw a documentary featuring holocaust survivors, and I remember one man said, “When I go to heaven, God has to answer to ME and beg MY forgiveness.”
Also I want back child support!!!
Being dishonest and only "believing" in order to get a reward seems like something this god of theirs wouldn't be cool with, methinks.
Not only that but thinking that a god that they believe created the universe would somehow not be smart enough to see through their bullshit. I've had so many Christians use Pascal's wager on me, I debunk it and explain in detail why it's stupid and just a glorified fire insurance policy and not an actual belief in their god, and then they're like "Oh yeah? Well, uh, I would STILL rather just take that chance so there. Enjoy Hell." It's like talking to a wall.
i can't speak for their "god," but Bastet (the only Real God) doesn't take kindly to it.
@@nondescriptcat5620 Anubis is so disappointed. Just be careful when you have to see him when he ushers you to your heart weighing. LOL
Just the irritation of dealing with prayer is enough reason for God to hate you anyway.
It is not the one way risk he says it is.
@@BadwolfRuin when Anubis gets out the Feather of Ma'at:
Jon's religion gives him an excuse to hate, my atheism gives me no excuse.
Hatred is so underappreciated. It's ok to feel hate, it can drive people to do great things.
well said
@@minitzonthesunlike what
@Kulascus if you really hate the burning of fossil fuels, it may drive you seek out alternative, renewable sources..
I don't know if jon has a religion. It's pretty obviously a troll call.
High time these cults cease to exist.... pascal's wager is DUMB. It is fearmongering and insulting.
As a whistleblower, this is all FAR too familiar to me.
"This is my argument!"
- "Here, I debunked your crap excuse of an argument in 2 seconds."
- "... That's RUDE! Now I have NOTHING!"
- "Well, what else you got?"
- "... I will run away crying now! Since you debunked my excuse!"
I like how he really started the call with "I know you don't agree with Pascal's wager. But have you considered Pascal's wager? What if you're wrong about being wrong?"
Jon asking the Big Brain questions 😂
“God created the United States the greatest place on earth.”
That takes American Exceptionalism to a whole new level!
Yet apparently the caller lives in Canada.
@@AnexoRialto
Maybe they were exiled?
@@AnexoRialto Canada is a vassal state of the US
Actually, it explains "Manifest Destiny"
With the declaration of independence and most of the constitution written by an atheist
I love how callers think Forest is just the personification of sunshine...till he blasts ❤
To quote Bill Wurtz "The Sun is a deadly laser!"
@@ojrmk1 I don't think he's sunshine I think he's a homosexual cokehead.
@@AtheistCulturalMarxist you don't think
Forrest is the personifaction of awesome.
Solar flares. Sunstorms.
A Christian telling an Atheist that he’s going to Hell is as scary as a child telling an adult he’s not going to get any presents from Santa.
@@KentuckyBrad "Just because you don’t believe in it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. '
Just because you believe, doesn't make it exist...
"Your sinful life leave in danger of Gods judgment,"
you mean like when you come here and sin according to you religion by being hypocrite, a liar and bearing false witness about other?
Obviously if you really believed in God's judgment you'd be too scared to do those things.. Which means you don't believe in the first place...
@@KentuckyBrad "unless you repent of your sins"
Go ahead silly child... What sins?
See, sins are a made up construct to keep the weak minded, in their place.. .Those weak minded are often referred to as SHEEP. Which explained why there are over 500 references to sheep, flocks, lambs, shepherds and so on...
In fact there are almost no claims of God actually forgiving anyone.. especially compared to the number of sheep references...
@@KentuckyBrad
Then prove it, prove “eternal flames wait for (us) unless we repent of our sins” without referencing the Bible or your feelings about it.
@@ajclements4627LOL! Brad is back. Now that he had enough time to forget all the examples of the Bible being NOT 100% historical. But he forget to repeat the claim!😱
@@KentuckyBrad You have not been able to provide any verifiable/repeatable evidence for any of the claims you have made about your personal version of bible god.
Why are you unable to do so?
"In God We Trust" on the money is a POLITICAL statement.
An unconstitutional one at that
anthonylong9067 - How is “In God we Trust” unconstitutional?
@@ianalan4367 The real question is- Do you want a piece of Cold War era propaganda as the national motto of the United States?
There's a theist here who ACTUALLY believes that if you "grape" a woman and makes sure that she doesn't call for help, then it counts as consensual sex.
And these are the same guys who claim that their god gives them "objective" morality.
Even then, that so-called morality would just be god's subjective morality. I have to wonder how anyone could say that any kind of morality is objective, it just doesn't logically make sense because morality is a human construct.
I keep hearing hearing atheist humanist telling me how God and the Bible is so immoral which is interesting being that atheist humanist Godless Utopias AKA communist countries have killed more of their own citizens then all of the civilizations combined since written word and that's in the last century alone.
@@AtheistCulturalMarxist So your argument is "atheists killed citizens so god advocating war crimes or committing planetary genocide is OK"? You really don't get it, do you?
@@B0Z0606 generally, anyone claiming "objectivity" does not know what objectivity is.
@@AtheistCulturalMarxistThis "shall we compare the body counts of secular ideologies versus religions on a summer day" claptrap does zero to establish that your religious doctrines are moral. At best, it's a whataboutist tu quoque fallacy.
So to summarize this call, it's basically Dunning-Krueger plus American exceptionalism. Of course the latter is an example of the former in many ways.
Ironically, the guy is Canadian.
@@quecee well he lives in Canada, but he could be hiding from the Feeb's there.
@@joshsheridan9511I'm starting to think that Jon is an American who happens to live or work in Canada.
He definitely doesn't act like a Canadian.
And another of countless examples of how religion warps rational, critical thinking.
LOL not only does atheism not require critical thinking it doesn't even require thinking.
Atheism is a disbelief it's an unwillingness or inability to accept God as true
So even if it was proven by the scientific method that the origins of life is result of a Creator The atheist humanist wouldn't accept it as true.
The concept of atheism probably wouldn't even exist today if the talmud wasn't created.
Realizing it or not the talmud is the atheist most holy book this is why you will never see shows like a cease experience attacking the most bigoted hateful book The talmud.
The talmud requires its followers to Force non-followers into atheism. Because the talmud teaches its followers that they themselves are human beings but the vast majority of humanity approximately 99.9% of the world's population the non-jewish people are not human beings but animals put on Earth in human form with no other purpose but to serve the Jewish people
Atheist humanist are the biggest useful idiots. They support the demise of their own civilization because they tricked into atheism by people who think of them as animals .
It's why is real isn't committing cultural suicide by opening its borders and promoting multiculturalism. But you have idiots in the west atheist 2 minutes to support it because these brainwashed morons are taught to spit on everything their forefathers built and to cause their own demise.
These atheistic humanist brainwashed useful idiots turn their own children into a crossdresser.
The atheist humanist is to murder their children, sexualize them and mutilate them because of their satanic gender faith.
Imagine thinking of yourself as a logical person and you're mutilating your children.
@@AtheistCulturalMarxist 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
@@joshsheridan9511 hello joshy are you using your emojis again to express your feel feels.
It's so adorable and I don't care that you're about 63 years old. Not everybody is comfortable using words and I want you to know that it's okay for you to express yourself using your emojis.
@@AtheistCulturalMarxist 🤪🤪🤪🤪 is all your ignorant comments are worth.
@@joshsheridan9511
They aren’t even worth that many emojis.
Pascal's wager assumes that god is an idiot. which, if you actually believe in such a thing, would be extremely insulting to said god.
I mean, given how the christian god is portrayed in the bible....this might just work. The christian god can't get anything right despite being omnipotent and omniscient. And his only solution to everything is to become Omnihitler.
@@Finckelstein 😂 true
It's always so baffling when Christians don't understand the point when you give Pascal's wager back to them but in regards to Islam. It's like they can't wrap their heads around the concept.
I've noticed a lot of the more outspoken Christians seem to forget other religions even exist. Or that there are several, somewhat contradictory, variants of Christianity itself.
Even if one day there became irrefutable truth of there being a god, there is no guaruntee it is the christian god, or any god that humanity has every worshipped. Just like how our understanding of the sciences has changed over time, there's no guarantee some random people 2000 years ago got things remotely right. I bet even if this/these god(s) were to be revealed, many religious, especially certain Christain groups, would be quick to decry them as false.
No true Christian gives the time of day to Pascals. You have a lot to learn from me, an expert.
@@sineaddwanson9294 Yes, an expert in lying and posting claims, assertions, and allegations with no evidence to support them from your two dozen sock puppet accounts.
@@sineaddwanson9294 You? An "expert"? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Well, I think christians do understand the point of Pascal's wager applied back to them with the christian elements replaced with islam (or any other) ones. We all know their religion has trained their mind to take its logic circuit off line when they are faced with contradictions. That's why that's when they get even more illogical, for example, by saying "no true christians …" without realizing statements like that would place christianity (and all the religious in the world and history) into the "no true scotsman" fallacy.
You know your religion is cool and true when its impossible to tell if the caller is a true and honest believer or a troll
The Bible says to obey your earthly Kings, so the USA went against Gawd will when they revolted against the King of England.
It should be illegal and considered child abuse to talk to minors about god.
It is a form of terrorism to speak to anyone about any punitive/abrahamic religion. Not 'should be', *IS*.
@@mitchhaelann9215; it is???
By legal definition, yes.
*Terrorism. Noun. The use of violence, threats, or intimidation to spread fear, especially for political purposes.*
Threats of hell, threats of torture, personal and social intimidation, acts of violence whenever they can get away with it. The abrahamic religions are, by definition, terrorism. Full stop.@@richardvoyer5697
That's a tad bit extreme; though I will say, as a child, I was very terrified that the rapture was going to happen at any moment, especially since adults would keep saying "Jesus coming soon"
@Mkeusquealbby ; does it cause harm to children in any way? YES! Then a tad bit extreme may not be enough.
Ricky Gervais puts it best do you hang garlic at your front door just in case there are vampires.
The Neverending Drivel Trollspambot is dully repetitive as well as stupid. Never listens, never learns. A perfect case study of how certain types of religious ideology combined with the dopamine highs of trolling destroy the human mind.
It's why I mostly laugh at them
@@nealjroberts4050 " why I mostly laugh at them"
The sad part, they don't even understand they are being laughed at...
Regarding the phrase, "In God we trust."
If you trust in God...
...give ME your money!
Coulda sworn Jon has spoken a lot before on these shows? Then probably hasnt listened to any call ever.
Repeat caller. Fun game with him. Make a bet on how many seconds before transphobia.
@@ojrmk1Do we get to drink when he does?
@@itomba It's your funeral, and trust me it will be if you take a drink every time Jon says something bigoted.
“Why do you care what others believe?”
*also believes in harmful stuff about trans people based in religious mental training*
also women, most of the lgbt, and pretty much anyone who believes in another god
Pratchett's take on this;
This is very similar to the suggestion put forward by the Quirmian philosopher Ventre, who said, "Possibly the gods exist, and possibly they do not. So why not believe in them in any case? If it's all true you'll go to a lovely place when you die, and if it isn't then you've lost nothing, right?"
When he died he woke up in a circle of gods holding nasty-looking sticks and one of them said, "We're going to show you what we think of Mr. Clever Dick in these parts..."
I love that footnote. Pratchett wrote the best footnotes.
@@amtlpaulI was trying to think of comparably good footnotes but they all involved Pratchett somewhere
I was in first or second grades when they added "in god we trust" to the pledge of allegiance. Our class practiced saying the "new" pledge many times.
What makes me laugh/cringe is the original gesture to honor the flag while reciting the PoA.
@@ajclements4627Roman salute, like the swastika, got ruined for a hundred years by the Nazis.
Some of these calls are difficult to watch, I'm very impressed with how patient you guys are with such calls honestly
Fascinating that Jon keeps coming back to these shows after continuously getting powned. He might as well just keep to his echo chamber of people that believe exactly like he does because he’s incapable of conversations outside of that.
authoritarians are all bottoms, christians just pretend their humiliation kink is them being persecuted.
Pascal's Wager is the equivalent of telling a functional adult with a job that Santa is gonna put you on the naughty list if he ends up being real. It's just not an argument dictated fron logic, just irrational fear.
I love how the two book shelves line up almost perfectly. You guys are in sync!
Fun fact, the Constitution only mentions God once. And that's at the end when it says in the year of our lord. But the very first rule is the Establishment clause limiting the gov roll in religion and it's omission of "so help me god" in the oath is very telling.
Armin is awesome. He shouldn't hold back on the trolling. Have a bit of fun with them, its good for Everyone.
Also get sarah haider and the other ex-muslims on! Take this show to its next logical level!
so I guess Jon doesn't believe that God was real until 1956? or he believes that Dwight d Eisenhower was god? 😂
I just can't with these people
3 minutes in: The guy's at troll. 10 seconds after he started to respond to their Pascal's Wager reply, my position became "prove he's not a troll." I think the final bloq for me was listening to a Canadian declare the United States the greatest country in the history of the world. Half my relatives are Canadian. They don't think there is a greatest country in the world - that's a sane position.
In R'lyeh, humans are Cthulhu's salty snacks regardless of belief or action. John should know this. Especially with consideration of Pascal's wager.
So it's Cthulhvinism? 😉
@@nealjroberts4050 Yes, the name was change for marketing purposes after focus group and a-b testing. But it is still Cthulhuism you can tell by the regular rites of genocide, torture, and Terraforming to chaotic climate.
Caller really didn’t like how easily Forrest got him to admit that Pascal’s Wager is stupid.
Once again, I have to apologise for a fellow Canadian. We're not all intellectual cowards.
It's 2023 & yet we still have to repeat Pascal's Wager to the ignorant masses. Sigh..
People who believe in Pascal's Wager must think God can't tell the difference if you truly believed in him or were just hedging your bets.
Love Armin and Forrest. Not only do they bring up good points, but they are entertaining as hell (pun intended).
Not only Pascal's wager is problematic when you take in consideration other religions, but in fact, christians are the last people who should have that thought experiment because of Matthew 7:21: "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."
So basically, being christian isn't enough.
Being Christian just to avoid hell and get into heaven is not enough for one to be a Christian according to the Bible...
@@DeludedOne Basically, this is one of the very first contradictions in early christianity.
And it is caused by Paul of Tarsus ( "Saint"-Paul).
Throughout the gospels, Jesus says that one who does God's work is saved. God's work being loving and caring for everyone. Paul modified this by saying that just accepting Jesus as one's savior is supposed to do the saving.
This shows a possible schism in early christianity, with Paul's branch being, unfortunately, the winner.
@@maaderllin Actually both branches still exist today in different denominations. If you've not heard of it before, there are 2 conflicting terms in Christian teachings, conditional security, which states that it isn't enough to simply believe in God/Jesus, one has to act according to what he taught and do good works in his name (salvation through works) and eternal security which states that once one "gains" salvation, one can never lose it, meaning that needing to do works or act as Jesus commanded in order to be saved is pure rubbish. Once one attains salvation (how and when salvation is attained is unclear at best, it generally seems like all they have to do is believe, maybe "sincerely"? As almost anything else can be considered "works"), no one can take that salvation from them, not even God.
And these 2 differing views both stem from Biblical verses that seem to support each view. See how consistent and reliable the Bible is?
In my experience, eternal security makes much less sense coming from a pragmatic view of religion and its goals, not to mention the idea has severe implications that threaten the very notion of religion itself.
@@DeludedOne
There's no real consensus among the denominations about what combination of Faith (belief in Jesus etc), Works (good deeds etc), and Grace (God's whim) provide Salvation.
@@nealjroberts4050 Indeed, there is no full consensus hence the different denominations. And one of the things they don't agree on is this question of salvation and its nature. The 2 positions I mentioned are the 2 general positions they have on it. They are also non-reconcilable.
Haven't heard him much, but I like Armin. Nice to hear a former Muslim speak to issues and questions.
He's a really nice guy who's had an AWFUL experience because of religion.
In the dictionary, under the word Dipshit, there's a tiny black and white picture of Jon.
"Rapid fire bad takes" sums up pretty much any argument in favor of theism.
Don't know why they haven't banned Jon yet, he is just the worst.
It's the lack of quality of theist callers. I'll bet that in some instances that there aren't enough callers for them to not take calls from these guys.
I am waiting for the hosts to one day say:
And the next caller we have is Jon from Canada and his pronouns are "Dumb and Dumber"....
Excellent Armin and Forrest. Thank you very much.
Jon: "keeps talking without listening"
"suggest to listen to previous caller cuz all his questions have already been answered"
Jon: "keeps talking without listening again"
"in the middle of explaining it again"
Jon hungs up: "smug" hmph I did it! That would show those damn atheist.
Armin: "Wait, what? Are you just gonna ignore everything I said? Like what is that... Slavery?
Jon: "Yeah."
I'm betting he was answering that he was going to ignore everything they said.
This guy calls into every show and coughs up the same arguments.
Referring to his rambling commentary as “arguments” is quite generous of you
Pascal's wager is so freaking foolish 😂 first of all, because there are outcomes does not mean the outcomes have the same probability. For example, you either win or lose the lottery but that does not mean the outcomes have the same probability.
Also, pascal's wager does not account for every other religion
The argument is that the expected value is still large because there's an infinite reward despite the tiny probability. It's still a terrible argument because you have no reason to believe that reward would ever happen, especially compared to alternative or opposing 'Gods' with their own rewards or punishments.
@@noellelavenza494 The biggest problem is that you have NO knowledge of what the expected values are.
You have NO idea that there is a god. You have NO idea that there's some option where you will be rewarded with an everlasting life. You have NO idea that simply believing that there's a god will get you that infinite reward. You have NO idea that believing in order to hedge your bet is going to get you that reward. You have NO idea that you taking that bet will actually ACTIVELY take you away from the infinite reward.
@@noellelavenza494 religions love using the promise of a supposed "infinite" to pretend their atrocities are in the name of a "greater good."
It only ever made sense in a population living in a bubble where there was Jesus, evil heathens, and skeptics.
@@quecee Correct. Pascal's Wager inappropriately gives the theist position greater weight by default.
What has God got to do with it? Mankind created the gods, mankind created religion, mankind created the institution of slavery and the laws that maintained it.
One nation under a groove > One nation under God
I thought Groove was in the heart though?
That rant from Forrest at the end was spectacular. Would make a brilliant short
Pascal’s wager has more holes in it than Swiss cheese
The Treaty of Tripoli containing "the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" in Article 11 was ratified by the US Senate unanimously without debate on June 7, 1797 and took effect three days later with the signature of the second US President, John Adams.
It is impossible for me to imagine a 21st century Senate ratifying a treaty with such a phrase unanimously or a 21st century President signing it.
Jon from Canada has called before. His call is not worth taking.
Why is part of me wanting to entertain the idea Jon was an AI using a prewritten script of every one of the bad takes most often used by Evangelicals.
I love Forest's rant regarding the devil because I've had that exact same thought! If I were the devil, then the greatest trick I could pull ISN'T convincing people that I didn't exist; it's convincing them that I was actually god and getting them to do horrible things for me while they believe they're doing good things.
Gnosticism.
I just did a google search for verses of the bible about Satan. I found conversations between God and Satan, and the temptation of Christ, and lots of warnings about “the Devil’s gonna getcha” if you sin, being the “evil one” or the “Anti-Christ,” etc., but nowhere in the bible are there any descriptions of any atrocities actually performed by Satan. No wars, no slavery, no incest, no murders, no genocide, no misogyny, just a few things that referred to Satan, but no immoral acts done by Satan. That makes God at least a thousand times more evil than Satan. I can see why some people would rather worship Satan than God.
Bastet (the only God humans happened to get right) sends anyone who uses Pascal's Wager to Ultra Hell, which is 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times worse than Normie Hell.
Updated wager: Choose the god with the worst version of hell. Thus, I believe in Quetzalcoatl to avoid the possibility of the eternal, unpassable spelling test 😮
Jon was 200% a troll. As soon as his first point was shut down, he pivoted to slavery, and when Forrest wouldn't let him get away with changing the subject, Jon pivoted again, this time to transphobia. When he didn't get the over-reaction he was expecting, he hung up like the little coward he is. Jon has a very distinct voice and should just be banned from getting through to the hosts whenever the call-screeners hear him call in. He doesn't deserve to be platformed on shows like this.
I called it when he said america was made by god,.
Sadly not. It's been a few years, but he used to be a semi-regular caller to AXP and he's dead serious. Still has the same MO, come up with a facile theological question, then once that gets busted deflect into culture war strawmen and feign indignation that the hosts are immoral. This was definitely a spicy one though, maybe he was pent up after a few years off.
I don't this Jon's a troll. I know people this brainwashed and disconnected from reality...my parents, and their insane beliefs have destroyed the family.
He's not a troll, he's just a bigoted moron who worships an evil book.
You guys have to do more shows together! Great duo!👊
Quetzatlcoatl rules. 😂🎉 Regards from Mexico.. good episode. 😂
Jon's brain short circuited that's why he hung up
Man is calling in using a potato phone.
We have a long way to go, to eradicate the god delusion, thanks guys you are doing a great job.
Treaty of Tripoli was also affirmed by the entire senate.
Pascal's Wager makes the assumption, without evidence, that non-belief automatically results in eternal torture if a god exists. It doesn't take into account the possibility that such a god isn't an asshole. There are many conceptions of a supreme being that doesn't punish people based on arbitrary and immutable characteristics.
Good explanation and argument Forest.
And no doubt Jon's God made Antartica for the penguins ? What a wally !
There's a turn of phrase I don't hear very often these days! 😅
Haven't you heard? Penguins are fake.
I was contemplating a trip to Austin for an unrelated event, but when I learned that the Atheist Experience isn't allowing live audiences, I decided against the trip. I would have loved to meet Forrest! Can't wait till they open again.
I'm pretty sure they do live audiences the last weekend of each month. They had a live audience two weeks ago.
@@sideboob6851 Thanks! That's good to know.
Pascal's Wager is premised on the g0d in question not being close to being omniscient.
Wow you guys spit straight facts for 12 minutes. Too bad the caller wasnt listening.
Jon, please go outside and leave moms basement.
When some claims that the US is based on the Bible or Christian principles or anything like that, you know immediately that the person has never read either the Bible or the us constitution or both.
The first amendment and the first commandment are in direct contradiction to each other. Oops!!
We need to remove all reference to the supernatural in our government.
Why? So we can then reference "moon dirt?" Or do you prefer "star dust" as your savior?
@@sineaddwanson9294Or more importantly, why can't you address your failed prophecy like a big boy instead of running away yet again?
@@sineaddwanson9294 What is your current obsession with "moon dirt"? And how are you so dumb that you think "moon dirt" is supernatural?
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Why the heck do you even need a “savior”?
Oh right, you have that false hope of getting that Willy Wonka Golden ticket to heaven.
@@ajclements4627 We need a savior, because sin = death and we've all sinned:
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." - Romans 3:23
God the Father took your fate SERIOUSLY and sent his son to die for your sin debt. And your response was to throw the death of his son back into his face. The face of God. Bad idea. "Judgement Day" for you is going to be far beyond horrible. It makes me physically ill to think about it.
That was really good!
Morocco has a very hard time as we speak.
There was an earthquake with a death toll of 1,305 and 1,832 injured.
Did he say..On our money? He's in Canada.
You know... where the Canadian bills have "In God we trust"? And is green? And has Benjamin Franklin and Andrew Jackson? Isn't that the Canadian money?
@@quecee Right
It is weird yes
What's really ironic and hilarious is that the god that this caller believes in is the SAME GOD in ALL the Abrahamic religions( Judaism, Christianity and Islam).. including Allah, which is just the Arabic word for 'god'. 😂
Jon presented absolutely zero reasons and just kept going from one thing to another in order to avoid questions
Just got finished talking with a theist wanting to know if I was saved. I told him I’m in no danger and shut the door on him.
Why do they think they have the right to do this? No one has ever seen an atheist go door to door asking Christians to not read their Bible, or not to go to church. It’s astonishing the level of ego they have to believe that it’s perfectly normal and ok to try and shove their beliefs down people’s throats regardless of the time or place.
EXCEPT, FIRST OF ALL you're too stupid to know if you're in danger. Secondly, Christians are commanded to preach & teach the gospel. Don't make me educate you on these basics again.
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.” - Mark 16:15
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You call yourself “Christian” with the gross amount of disrespect, name calling, and insults you hurl at people you don’t know? Atheists are better Christians than you, lmfao.
@@EyeonthePrize247Sinead (aka NEPy) proves that there's no hate like Christian love.
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Oh, absolutely! What’s interesting to think about is if Christians actually acted in accordance with the teachings of Jesus (love one another/thy neighbor/your enemies, give to the poor, forgive, treat others the way you want to be treated, etc.), the world would probably be a much better place, but as we know, they don’t actually have any interest in following those principles. As I said to OP before, atheists act like better Christians than actual Christians.
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“You’re too stupid…”
Says the fake theologian, physician, surgeon, former CIA, former National Guard, and any other phony careers I’ve forgotten.
Forrest,
THANK YOU SIR.
Oh and that book states that the Lord creates evil....so there ya go!
Why is this guy asking questions if he can’t bother to listen to the answers
Because they are there to talk, not to learn.
Pascal's Roulette is always fun!
Minor point. According to Wikipediae, Morrocco was the eleventh country to recognize the US. It is the 3rd country to recognize the United States after the ending of the Revolutionary war (not counting England which recognized the US by signing the treaty.
It seems so easy to fool this god they talk about.
It's amazing how the dude has no empathy at all. He is incapable of stepping outside of his beliefs even for a moment.
The phone-in guy's convo was so batshit crazy that I am forced to think he was trolling..... well, either that, or he was simply batshit crazy !
Another caller who's only agenda was to insult, not to actually question and learn
Pascal's wager makes no sense. If the christian god is all knowing, wouldn't he know if you really believe or not?
Excellent point = The first "Sin" was acquiring KNOWLEDGE of Good and Evil!!!! Only EVIL beings wouldn't want you to know the difference!!!!
@@KentuckyBrad -- He wanted them Ignorant. They didn't know Good, so how could they have known that it was a "Good" thing to listen to that being!??? That god knew that before he made them and knew what would happen... yet instead of making a world where there would be ZERO Suffering, HE decides this one where children are being RAPED in his own place of worship!! And he is claimed to be Omnipresent, so that "god" is right there Watching that child being Raped and does... NOTHING to stop it. If you were there when that was about to happen, what would YOU do? Just stand there and watch?
Bottom line is, if there truly were a being that were "All Everything", the ONLY things that would happen in a world like that would be things that god himself MADE happen. No Free Will would be possible. So all the Evil... HE is making happen.
Question becomes: How did you determine that the "god" of the bibles is the "good" guy and that Satan is the "bad" guy? Because if you go by Actions, then that "god" is THE most EVIL being EVER!!!!!!
Honestly think about that question. Face it, religion lied to all of us...
@@MasterSpadeThat's how religion works. They want to get people who don't know better. And they will make sure that they don't get ANY knowledge outside the Bible. And as soon as they figure out the scam, they get thrown out.