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Can the OLD out perform the NEW?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 เม.ย. 2022
- My Nephew and I set out on a day trip up the world famous Ashley River.
A Series 2a and a Discovery 2
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The old one just looks so much better. It's truly iconic.
I’m gutted with how the Defender has changed a few years ago. It’s all plastic and posh instead of the rugged old machine.
Yes the Series 2A looks pretty good but I just loved my series one and 2 V8i Disco's! The better looking of all of the disco's apart from the parts bin headlights from a Sherpa van that is lol, at least until the very last iteration of the series 2 Disco's with the facelift front.
I’d trust an old LR over the new ones for reliability 👍
At 4.00 a good tip beside what you said is wiggle the steering wheel back and forth to get the sides of the tyres biting. Better tyres help too😉
It's nice hearing the Series get'er done without the music in some mint terrain.
Off road tires would have made this adventure more capable!
Definitely
Disco didn't do too bad considering the road biased tyres. Put some decent Cooper or BF Goodrich tyres on it and it will get a long way further!
As I recall, the original one was an "all aluminum" body which made it relatively light and so less prone to bog down. The modern one looks much more heavy and less nimble.
Tip: if you have traction control understand how it works and allow it to work to use the benefit it offers.
2a all day, every day!!! What an absolutely beauty.
I had a 67 defender, small four cylinder but never got stuck, it went through vermont winters
Another great video!!! Love seeing your old landy.
Thanks Frank 👍🏼
The old one needs a diff-lock to win.
If submersion and water crossings are a regular occurrence the old one will have a significant advantage.
Defenders are second to none, but it wasn't a real test of old versus new. It was a test of old against even older.
I own a series 3, and a D1, the D1 is much more comfortable, and with decent tyres will go almost anywhere, but the S3 is just fun to drive because its so basic.
Hi Hayden, another great video from the back blocks of Canterbury, I say give my the series 3, just for tne good looks, take care and keep safe, best regards from a ex- Christchurch lad.
The old model just looks like it will get the job done! I prefer the “boxy” look. The newer model just looks like it should stay in the city- a “poser” if you will. I also love the way the older rover sounds. I have a Suzuki Jimny. I love the whine of the tranny!
Definitely.! It all depends on the driver. You can have the latest and greatest, the biggest and best, the flashiest and fanciest; bur it counts for Nothing if the person doesn't know what they're doing . . .
Hey, great vids. Be keen to see more of the landy mechanicals and the engine trans specs.
If the 'old one 'breaks down', a 3/16" Whitworth spanner will sort it... the Disco - a full diagnostic and full tool set.
Would also be interesting to find a good still running Austin Gypsy to compare to more modern 4x4's.
Back in the late 70's or early 80's we tried to drive up beside the lake coleridge dam pipeline(Worked for NZED), nobody could get the landcruisers etc up.
So we grabbed the ancient gypsy with grass growing out of rust holes all over it, and had a go.
First triers had no luck, but then i was finally given a go, i just let it idle slowly up, avoiding getting any slip , and made the top, much to everyone's annoyance.
Imo sometimes older can really be better, at doing some things, in some conditions, if used correctly.
Would be interesting to see how well my 06 v8 touareg or 2010 manual jimny would compare on such a slippery steep climb.
Its a shame the gypsy was made of steel or many more would have survived, the running gear bolted straight on to the baby bmc ambulances too
I had a gypsy. The day I sold it I remember regretting it as it drove off up the road . Every bit as good as a landy series 👌
Traction control won't help if tires are wrong (like on this disco)
I m in love with the old. Reminds me of The gods must be crazy comedy
Haha yeah, such a good movie 👍🏼
Looks awesome uncle when are you gonna take me?
Maybe in the school holidays? 😃
The Disco done well on them tyres.
G'day! TH-cam suggested this channel to me, i'm a big fan of your content. You're so close to the 1000 mark, you'll get there soon i'm sure! Beaut of an old landy too, proper vehicle! I'm pretty sure I've met you before now too, I used to be a contractor for the company I'm sure you work for that I won't write down because giving away personal information over the internet is a fools game! Take care
Awesome, thank you! Another video out soon :-)
If I was going somewhere remote I’d take the older of the two. Simpler, lighter and you can fix it with basic tools. As others have said the Discovery would have fared better with off-road tyres but they are still great vehicles too.
100% agree with all of that.
@@hayden_jones I used to live in the Northern Territory and my 2 mates who are both mechanics only own and use older 4 wheel drives fully decked out with all the gear needed to truly go bush and because the older vehicles do not have any computer chips or electronics whatsoever to get wet or corroded etc so only regular tools are needed to fix any mishaps that occur while going for a trip in the bush. Much simpler and much cheaper than any modern day computer driven four wheel drives.
Awesome video thanks for sharing it.
Thanks Nathan. Glad you enjoyed it. 👍🏼
Cool video, I just got a s similar late 2A but a petrol version. That diesel sounds awesome
i had a 2a in the b70's they break the long rear axle, i had a d2 td5, loved it, have a d4 now
We use to take the Salisbury axle mod it so it would fit on swb
Love those old LR.
Great tips!
You boys need to invest in some terrain tyres.
Love the series. I have a 300 tdi defender and a disco 3 but would love a series.
Put the same tires on both, the lr has highway tires
Tip number one should have been. Fit tyres that suit the surface. Decent All-terrains would have been better than the road tyres.
I agree 👍🏽
Old is gold
Give me an old Landy any day... with a new one too scared to scratch or put a ding in it.. thanks mate👍🇳🇿
Thanks 👍🏽 yeah I love the old landy's.
@@hayden_jones Can you do a vid on how to transfer between 2 and 4wd that has baffled me on older Land Rovers.. can you change low to high while driving? or do you have to stop and use the clutch?
@@allgood6760 l seem to remember many years ago when l had a Series 3 l could change from low to high while moving but it was done at a low speed and a bit of double de clutching.
Can the old outperform the new? We'll never know until they both have the same tyres.
The new ones are for people who live in the city but want you to know they have a "hice in the cuntry".
I have a 1981,88 series 111 2.25 petrol brilliant owned since 1994 decent tyres parabolic springs can cut it with the 90s
Did you install the parabolics? I'm hopefully going to install some soon.
Are you happy with them
I still prefer the old ones, real Tonka or Meccano, if you remember them.
When you said new I thought you meant the new defender/discovery which seems capable BUT so effin risky away from civilisation but great on Kurbs in the city provided one don’t have the fashionable low profile tyres.
But whe two cars are to be compared please equip them with the same tyres. Enjoyed your video either way cheers.
Good 4x4
Well with the stig on the hood, who could lose?
I once had someone tell me "I'd rather have an older vehicle with $40k mounted on the hood than a Disco." Some off-road tires would have helped though. Until it breaks..
Now I have to tell you folks something, besides how awesome your vids are..
In Canada, if you drive in rivers and such, the powers that be will skin you alive.
The size of our country and there is none of this happening..
Now, we do go four wheeling and the such, but the fisheries and conservation people are known as "bush pigs" here as they operate with the same authority as the police, but with very bad attitudes for the most part.... and they are happy as all get out to exhibit that "right of power", over individuals they find in the woods, BUT, as soon as you need advice or have to report an actual offence, like their street counterparts, they are woefully absent..
The rivers and streams, while plentiful, are forbidden territories for trucks, and vehicles of any kind..
So, it is so nice to see that you guys, and folks like Kev's 110,(which I also follow), are able to go on these adventures and show us your part of the world...which I am looking forward to exploring.
Oh yeah...by the way.
In case it matters...
60 years old, mechanic,( commercial, heavy duty, automotive), hydraulic mechanic, welder, commercial drivers license with air endorsement on brakes, electrical in vehicle and housing, just in case some one might be looking for a worker...(hint, hint).
If you don't mind answering, where are you from?
My wife is from Rotorua.
Get this...her son went to school with a Hayden Jones.....?
Fans in Canada...
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Mate !!! I'm loving the comments !! Get this, my wife is Canadian!!!! She's from London, ON.
She's been living here with me in Christchurch for 11 years now.
When you move here, is rotorua the destination? It's a beautiful spot with plenty to do. But I am a little biased to the south island.
Add to the tips, especially for Jacob, get a sunglasses retainer, neoprene from eBay are super cheap (Croakies copy).
New? What new? There's just an old car there!
Bring a Range Rover Autobiography from 2017 onwards for a test drive.
I'd love to !!
the old one should actually do better than the new one because it was built for a purpose and that is to off-road at slow speed to medium speed.
Tip number 1 get decent tires...
They are both great cars! What should I say else? I'm a Disco 2 owner ... I just informed my wife that I'd like a 1,2 or 3 series....
Haha nice 👍🏼
#TIP 1 buy a set of chunky mud tyres
👍🏼 yeah I should have had that in there.
Old wine in new skins
Did you miss the tip with the engage 4wd before entering the bog...?
The old ones are great just so long as you don’t mind Chang the clutch every weekend
Mine hasn't had its clutch changed in over 26 years..... so I'm not sure what you're on about.
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If you crash or wet and old one it's fixable normally at home. If you drown a new one your insurance writes it off that never goes we'll for punter
The old here is equipped with better tires for off road driving
Mist important tip of all - fit appropriate tyres if you are crossing that sort of terrain...
Definitely. I should have included that tip !!
Old ones more fun for playing around
Agreed 👍🏽 👍🏽
Having worked on the old series lrs and the newer ones. OK it may not have all the bells and whistle but I'll have the old series over the computers on wheels.
Agree 👍🏽
Hope Jacob found his sunglasses!
He did !!!
Had a 2 door V8 manual 89 Disco. POS.
83 V8 manual 110 Pickup was really good,
The Santana PS 10 was better except the frame cracked around the pitman arm in the Sahara.
Comparatively...67 Kaiser M38A Cj5 and ex Swiss Army climbs better than a 65 LR SWB 2l as did my 72 Jeep Commando...the green one on wiki.
Gmc Sierra 4.8l swb 4wd, Blazer 4.3 4wd, Escalade 7.0 climb worse.
Today I offroad with a 54 Chevy 2wd truck in our dry volcano desert and sandy beaches and jungle..on 3 groove Coopers ;-). I got bored ;-)
Great ride on dirt road 😁. It will be easier with mud tires?
Definitely
Wish I’d never sold my shorty rag top 4cly petrol motor I did have a over drive stick
NEVER sell a series Land Rover. It only ends in pain 💔
But, which one do you want to drive off road and which one is easier to work on?
1) The Series
2) The Series
😁😁
The series 3 is obviously modified they never had a 5spd box so i must assume there's more mods in the drive line
Pregunta : por qué su palanca principal de cambios está más atrás que la palanca amarilla? hubo algún cambio?
sí, ha habido un cambio de motor y caja de cambios
@@hayden_jones excelente gracias
Hope ya got some spare axles with ya.
Tires on the new model are not good for mud. At all. Change the tires to something more aggressive and the car would have been fine.
I watched the whole video and there was no new Landrover!! All I saw were old ones
Is that a rated recovery point or just a tie down point that shouldn't be used for recovery?
To be honestly, I couldn't tell you with certainty.
I do remember saying to him,he should get some proper recovery points. (He's since sold the vehicle)
Most suvs today never even see that kind of terrain they just luxury grocery getters soccer mom transports they slap on all the aftermarket do dads and never leave the pavement
I would take a pre 86 CJ over anything newer also!
If it’s a ‘66 , take a spare axle. They were as strong as a stick of cheese !
Just noticed it’s a v8 disco….where’s your fuel cans…surely youde need at least 3
What engine do you have in your 2a? I’ll take it over the disco any day of the week! I have a smiths heater from a military 1/2ton (lightweight as they like to be called) fitted in mine, makes a small difference
It's a Toyota B engine, 3ltr diesel
🙂
@@hayden_jones Thought thats what it was. I have a 69 2A gas engine; aIso a bugeye, first few months they put the headlamps on the fenders they were not inset, so she's a bit rare.
Where's the new one? I just saw 2 old ones...
disco2 driver doesn't understand how TC kicks in on his vehicle. You need to maintain revs for a few seconds before TC kicks in.
Thanks for your advice. We've just got back from another big trip where he tried it.... and he had great success !!
Hello Hayden, first time to your channel and really enjoyed the video. Can you tell me which gearbox is in the 2a as I noticed at 1:01 it is 5 speed and I want to get one for my Series 3?
Glad you found my channel.
The gearbox is out of a Toyota celica.
The engine is a Toyota B (3 litre diesel)
@@hayden_jones Wow! that's a surprise. How easy is it to mate to transfer box?
I couldn't tell you. It was done by the previous owner, about 30 years ago!
Hey Hayden, just trying to pick the river?
Ashley River, Canterbury.
Does the older land rover have its original motor?
No, it's got a Toyota B engine. 3ltr diesel.
The old already has outperformed the new by always being repairable, keeping going with reasonable care and by not falling to pieces in 12-15 years. Modern land rovers ( other than Defenders of course which have retained the chassis, essential for longevity. And no poxy electronics to worry about! Why not earn to drive propefly yourself rather than relying on technical gimmickry which sooner or later lets you down, usually at the most inconvenient time!
Does the Disco have street tyres on?
A/T's
I tried telling him to buy M/T's but he wanted A/T's 🤷♂️
@@hayden_jones - If they were just keeping to dry jeep trails the A/T should have been fine. BUt mud....
What diesel is in the old Landy?
It's a Toyota B
3ltr Diesel 👍🏼
@@hayden_jones Perfect industrial engine for it..
Old better then new
Can old out perform the new? Yes of course. When you find yourself somewhere far from walk in mechanic, all difference that truly matter will show its face...nice touch is for example, ability to make head gasket, out of leather jacket, or any real leather, and fit it on to engine and keep going..and all that with basic tools...this sort of things matter when you do real journeys, away from usually available mechanic...
Series 2 ? With a 5 speed ?
Yeah a Toyota celica 5 speed.
Series 2a 🙂
A car for enthusiasts, should come with a free bag of spanner's, newer model a laptop 🙈
The new one looks a bit top heavy compared to the old.......
Mantep
They are both old, isn't that an 03 discovery?
Nice to see you out there doing it shame it’s not a hilux 100%
Old over new.
What are those tires/tyres?😂
🤣 I know. I tried telling him to buy proper off road mud tyres !! But he wanted A/T's 🤦♂️
@@hayden_jones I used to run BF Goodrich A/T’s on my 1982 Toyota 4x4 truck but I got stuck in the mud now that I think about it. It’s all in good fun!
Was the old one a "Discovery"? Ynot compare the old Series to a D90 1994-1997? Heck, any Series I-III and D90 can enter a parking garage whereas a Discovery cannot.
I might do another video of a series 1 vs a series 2a vs a 90's defender 🤔 🙂
95% of all Land Rovers are still on the road.
The other 5% made it home.
Bullshit!
I would say your assertion is quite accurate, at least as far as Land Rovers here in the US, especially newer ones. I think they do better with in the confines of the former British Empire. Brits understand British engineering. Please don't be too offended my British friends, I wouldn't own a Chrysler product built after 1970 either ! Even if I lived next to a Chrysler dealership and was married to the owners daughter.
@@johnossendorf9979 I wouldn't have a new one if you gave it to me. My daily driver is a 27 year old Discovery. Wouldn't swap it for a new 4x4 currently on sale regardless of the make. It does all I require and it's cheap and reliable. Those who denigrate old Land Rovers obviously have never used one that has been properly maintained and not been the victim of non standard modification.
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Where did you find that music, on the bottom of the river? Leave it there next time.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 thanks for the nice feedback neddy 👍🏼🙏🏽
@@hayden_jones I only make heartfelt comments.
Old v Older ?
Yeah pretty much. Although the disco feels so new to any old Series Landy!
Tip #1001 don't go off road with street tires
Not sure but would not piss on the new one if it was on fire it will never be the ICON the old one was and it has far to much tech that will no doubt let it down very badly
Tip to You . Never ever sell that Series , maybe upgrade the springs but never sell it or you gone feel idiote like me.
Thanks Paul. Yeah I'll never ever sell it. I've heard far too many regret stories.
It's part of the family !!!