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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 พ.ค. 2024
- For over a decade, the theoretical fastest Super Mario Bros. speedruns were known to be 4 minutes 54 seconds long. Since then, new glitches and strategies have been used by speedrunners to finally achieve 4:54. This is the story on how Mario speedrunners broke the final second barrier, and what to expect from future speedruns. Enjoy!
UPDATE (11/5/21): Miniland has the WR now with 4:54.914: • [Former World Record] ...
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You explained the frame rule without mentioning a bus? Inconceivable!
whats the explanation with a bus?
@@francesfarmer3874 Every so many frames the game checks for the end of a level. If you miss that end-level-check, you have to wait for the next one. So saving one frame doesn't save you any time unless that one frame gets you to an earlier check. Just like every so many minutes, a bus comes to pick people up at a bus stop, and getting there earlier doesn't save you time on your trip unless you get to take an earlier bus because of it.
@@MrJoerT ahh sorry i thought you meant the computing term BUS and i didnt know what that had to do with it
@@francesfarmer3874 That type of bus is probably also involved in this speedrun 😅
@@MrJoerT. Well, for people who are not delving deeper into the inner workings of the game, the frame rule is more than enough to understand the end result of the game
Miniland did it! He got 4:54.914 literally today, November 5th!!!!!!
Fr?
@@Avendesora It’s called Google.
@@Avendesora No, you could go ahead and do that yourself.
@@Avendesora theres actually a link in the description.
Well niftskis done it again with a 4:54.881
This game is so optimised that every 10th of a second is now considered a new milestone
Not true bro
It,s only now that it,s gowing over frames 99% off the game hisotry second bariers whyyhe thing en stil niftski has done 0,6s faster is a practice run from 4-2
@@vilanokaizo well yeah I did say ‘now’ and that’s especially true, like, right now. But I’m not talking about the majority of the game’s history just as it stands and as it stands people are chipping the record by tenths of a second or frames. Same thing really.
@@MintiesPoopin en stil where not there yet if niftski wants he could get 4:54.3x wanever he wants
@@vilanokaizo are you okay. remember the first 3 letters of stroke: STR. S stands for smile, make sure that your facial muscles are working correctly. T stands for talk, make sure that you can talk in a coherent sentence. R stands for reach, can you reach both of your arms up as high as possible. If one or more of these isn't the case, you may be suffering from the early stages of a stroke.
I'm really loving the nicknames you're giving them "keyboard warrior" lol
holy cow, this video is incredible. not sure how many other games there are of this complexity where the wr is less than a second from the tas, but i bet it isn't a lot
also 19:02 hit me up if you need any help learning this lol, would be happy to help
I guess most game has the same potentiall atleast if they were to be as popular and speedrun'd as much as SMB. But its really beautiful, ive been thinking how do i explain this to ppl who has no intrest in games at all. "it would be like a f1 driver beating a lap record" is the closest i get. but to be fair. that feels like its still not enough to explain how technically impressive it is
Definitely! I recently ordered an NES and Everdrive.
Does SMB minus world count?
I doubt there are many but in the case of some extremely short games such as Dragster for the Atari 2600 real time and TSA is tied at 5.57 seconds.
@@XsigmaZ nah the frame rule is needed for keeping it this close. If the frame rule didn't exist the tas would be a few secs ahead. Not many games have this kind of segmented structure, so this may be the only one that will be this ridiculously close without being sub 1 minute.
Also gratz on the 914 mini.
So now that the last second barrier is down the only way to get the milestone is to be the first literally completely perfect run.
Insane title, that would require insane effort.
the absolute perfection is 4;54.03, literally no faster. There is nothing to improve on it NO MATTER WHAT.
@@hamburgerhamburgerv2 that uses left + right movement which is banned, so instead of comparing a banned run with humans, compare the rta tas with humans.
@@hamburgerhamburgerv2 on the NTSC version.
Pl8-1
Pronounced "Plate-One". It's named after well known speedrunner Stuck-in-a-Plate since he was the first one to get the 8-1 TAS FR successfully in an IL run.
3 days ago we saw the first 4,54.8xx, insane how dedicated and precise these top level runners are! And awesome video as always!
That means in Super Mario Bros. Extended, Niftski must save 2 framerules, both from 8-3 or 1 from 4-2 and 1 from 8-3, and play world 8-4 6-7 frames faster for a 4:53!
@@AlbertTheGamer-gk7sn not possible
It is possible on smb extented
If I were doing Warpless runs under Twin Galaxies, to compensate for the no glitch rules, I'd instead fill the run with aggressive Bowser kills.
Update: Niftski has achieved 4:54.881
Miniland is now 2 frames behind again
The 8-2 pipe jump is not a wall jump, just a really really precise jump. You are jumping off the top of the pipe. You do kind of clip up onto the top of the pipe by a couple pixels, but that's just how corners work.
I don't really watch speedrunning content most of the time but when it's from you, it's explained so well, all the advanced techniques are made to be digestible, and your narration is *so* good, it makes it really feel like a compelling story, you're criminally underrated. Wishing nothing but the best for you.
learned about your channel from the latest NRG speedrunning video, and I'm so glad I get to binge your channel now! I have a special interest in speedrunning as a whole so I absolutely love your content, it's so informative!
This video is sick! Idk how I hadn't heard of it before!
This video came a month late haha
You ever thought of implementing a split setup for your runs? That way people could actually see your time and splits? I mean Kosmic and every other runner has them and I am wondering why you dont. I mean there is space up top for the splits and your time on the bottom for the timer on the right side so you dont have to change your overlays out as I can see enough space for everything already.
@@alecday3775 you dont need splits to run the game at all
Ah, finally another Lunatic J video! Been waiting patiently for a while, glad to see you back!
Glad to see you back man! Awesome content as always!
can't wait to come back in a year or two and find out how many people have tied the absolute maximum speed for super mario bros.
Prob 0-3 people
@@julienbronsch5039 Well probably 0 because apparently that last frame is impossible humanly
@@inferno23_ you mean the double fast accel in the first room of 8-4 that saves 1 frame? If it wouldnt be humanly possible, it wouldnt be included in the human tas. Also Lekukie and Niftski have both already done that 1 frame timesave in a 8-4 IL run more than a year ago, meaning that its very much possible, just insanly hard
@@julienbronsch5039 Ok well I was just going off of what the video said, I don't have that much knowledge about that
Give it 5 years
Kind of off topic, but I love how soeedruns of this game make piranha plants just entirely obscure lol
coz there is a minimal hitzone
so, if some tas or strathunter found 1 framerule anywhere in the game, that's the second barrier, but it's been 10 years since the last framerules to be saved were found.
4:54.8 has been achieved, now they're grinding to get down to 4:54.7, the level of dedication the top speedrunners have is absolutely insane.
A 4:53 is possible in Super Mario Bros. Extended! Watch the TAS here!
th-cam.com/video/MJgLHFj6r1Q/w-d-xo.html
I think some guy already got 4:54.7
@@oldchannelawhellnah Yup, Nifski did a few months ago.
The background music being from paper mario games and BiS is much appreciated
When Lunatic J uploads, my day is instantly made.
Another REALLY excellent video man. Keep it up. Have no doubt you’re going to be big with your professional presentation and in depth research.
The lunatic talks about the maddest game to run! I don't really like Mario Bros much but speedrunners make me love this game haha
that's fucking insane
I didn't know that humans could reach the level of the Mario TAS
I'm glad I stayed subscribed. Great video!
The SOB is now 4:54.256, the same as Maru's TAS
Dayum these kids are pretty good at this here mario game
A 4:53 is possible in Super Mario Bros. Extended! Watch the TAS here!
th-cam.com/video/MJgLHFj6r1Q/w-d-xo.html
Dang it’s 2 seconds lower already
Yes! He finally did it! Too bad I can’t watch it for 4 hours until school is over
Same here lmao
Iam watching it (even though iam still in school) like an epic pro 😎
@@Max-256 Yep, like a pro
Am I boomer level for saying "pay attention in school?"
Then again, schools is WHACK sometimes.
Nice job on the video, thanks for making it
I remember like 2 years ago seeing niftski on the leader boards and thinking, frick, how does he do that with a keyboard. and now I am utterly confuzzled by everything he does, and how everyone does the tricks, it's so insane.
Keyboard is no different than nes
yeah, not in how it plays, but at least for me, an NES controller is easier to use, but feel free to disagree with me
and hes insane for whether he is on keyboard, or controller,l or anything
@@sawyersmith4999 it depends on what you are used to if you are used with original controller then other controller will be uncomfortable to use with it also apply to any other controller like keyboard,virtual controller and other.but if you trained with other controllers then you can get used to it
Great stuff! Awesome to see you back :D I heard a lot of Paper Mario songs in this one, I wonder if we'll get any Paper Mario videos in the future 🧐
Oh DEFINITELY. I love Paper Mario so much
Hi zxmany
We've entered an era where saving just 0.1 seconds is a huge accomplishment.
old times, now 0,017 seconds is the new 0,1
3:25 I remember this song. Super Mario dream team. I have so much nostalgia with this song that I just want to cry rn.
Awesome video! Thanks for making it
Loving the Mario and Luigi music in the video! 👌🏼
The video we wanted and didnt know we needed
Great video! I love this game so much
SMB1 isn't dead, but it definitely has chilled. Only one serious contender has posted since Niftski's achievement. (as of early September 2021)
A 4:53 is possible in Super Mario Bros. Extended! Watch the TAS here!
th-cam.com/video/MJgLHFj6r1Q/w-d-xo.html
Me (someone not interested in speedrunning): "Why can't I stop watching this?"
You're Back!
great video, keep it up!
the KING is back
Communitys like this, are the best
13:11 Lekukie, Niftski, and Miniland has proven themselves without a doubt that they could get it 😏
And tree
LunaticJ: Twin Galaxies
Me: *buckles seatbelt*
Cant wait until they beat the best theoretical time and then unban simultaneous movement.
Damn it has been a long one coming
See you in a 2031 when the second barrier is broken again
cya in 2041 when we find how to beat it under 4 mins :)
The Return Of The King
Nice vídeo, i just suscribed :)
3:17 i didnt know andrewG got the first 456
i subbed because you asked so nicely
Imagine beating this game at E3 when it first came out
Such optimisation for speedrun makes me think - if someone made a mod of the game where everything is the same, expect the frame rules are now gone and you complete the level the frame right after, how much time it will save?
What the optimal time will be now? Two seconds faster? maybe even more?
thats what i was thinking too! the tas would def go to 453
The l+r tas would be 4:52.55 im pretty sure
Recently, the runner Tree_05 actually became the second person to do lightning 4-2. I guess it went a bit under the radar.
Read the text on screen at 16:27 in the video please
@@LunaticJ I'm sorry, I was listening. My bad I'm an idiot.
It still surprised me when someone figured out how to manipulate the code with precise movements and combinations to wrong warp to 8-1 during 2-1 saving over 1 minute
POYO
banning glitches was such a bad idea lol
The reason why glitches are banned in Twin Galaxies is because some people can use glitches to manipulate the game in sending you to the ending screen without playing the game, and they think it is considered cheating as it ruins the purpose of playing the game if you can execute a glitch that sends you to the end right away, and they thought all glitches have that capability.
16:55 HitzCritz already has done that top clip setup
Hey lunatic J, I have watched a few speedrun videos of yours, since your channel is about that then I imagine you'll enjoy making a video on Super Meat Boy, I hope that one day you make a video for it
Very cool stuff here
"If you no longer go for a gap that exists, you're no longer a speedrunner"
The last possibility to improve the times in speedruns is to move faster than the rest of the world. That means, according to Albert Einstein, one would have to be in a very fast spaceship. The faster the spaceship flies, the slower time passes relative to the people who are on earth. If you were to fly at exactly the speed of light in the end (which is impossible in reality), then time would even stand still completely and you could play Super Mario Bros in zero seconds, no matter how you play. So if a TOP player were to play SMB1 in one of the fastest aircraft in the world, he could save a few millionths of a second. Another possibility would be to get as close as possible to the Earth's core, because the closer you get to the Earth's core, the slower time passes. It would be even more exciting if you played SMB in a black hole. There it might even be possible to achieve a time with a negative sign, i.e. -5min.54sec.
Timing is done relative to the game speed, not relative to earth
Space ships aren’t allowed in the game ;(
By the way, computer chips are in sync with spacetime, so, even if you go fast it wouldn't save time, as one second in spacetime correlates to one second the electricity passes through the computer chips, so the game would just move slower, but it would help as swag tricks would be easier.
However, using quantum mechanics, anything is possible. In the future, NASA will come up with different projects using quantum mechanics, like the time machine project, the superpowers project, the interstellar travel project, if that succeeds, then they would turn it into an intergalactic travel project, the Holocene-Anthropocene project, enlarging/shrinking matter project, the sub-Absolute Zero project, the antimatter clone project, the creation of matter project, the spiritual project (where you can be conscious when you sleep), and the virtual portal project. The Virtual Portal Project is going to be the best, as it involves opening a portal to the Metaverse, where 6D travel is possible, where humans can live in fantasy worlds in games and movies and using their magical elements to help them in their daily lives. Note that before this travel is possible, fantasy elements are highly illegal and are treated like the strongest drugs on Earth, and when this travel is possible, it would take time for it to be completely legalized: First, scientists must test them on people to see if there are any harmful side effects, then the government can choose to legalize them. First, there would be an age requirement, possibly at least 21 if not more due to human evolution making their childhood last longer, then, 18, then 13, then 6, then 2, then 6 months, until they are fully legalized. Effects from a Mario mushroom includes super size, super strength, super resistance, and super slowness unless if humans used quantum physics to defy the square-cube law, then super slowness wouldn't be an effect. There would also be a Negative project, where humans are bound to create a negative version of anything. This includes negative dimensions (length, width, height, time, and parallel universes, as well as outside-of-reality Multiverses), negative area, negative volume, negative mass (they already achieved this using antimatter), negative density (using antimatter), negative velocity, negative voltage, and negative temperature Traveling faster than light reaches negative velocity, not walking backwards, due to the Pythagorean Theorem. Walking backwards still is positive velocity. The easiest negatives are negative acceleration (deceleration), negative force, negative energy, negative power, negative current, negative resistance, and negative pressure.
I think I was the one (a non-speedrunner) who originally posed the question of 4m 53s being possible to Bismuth a few years ago and even he said it was impossible to me and I can see that 4m 54.282s being the realistic human best time as well if the theoretical best is 4m 54.032s and cant be improved any lower. Unless if someone finds some crazy new strat (in which the game is running out of altogether and he DID point some possibilities but could never be done by a human OR TAS but I forgot what they were since its been so long) and i am beginning to think with how little time that is being shaved off after the 4m 54s has been achieved, 4m 53s would forever remain a "pipe" dream. I can honestly see that now. It would be killer to see 4m 53s be achieved but not now as pretty much every viable frame rule has been exhausted, every possible trick is nearly implemented and speed gain reached, it is just impossible. Now we wait to find out who would be the one to pull off the 4m 54.282s final time. I know that could be a few years away but I know it is going to happen sooner or later.
A 4:53 is possible in Super Mario Bros. Extended! A new framerule was saved in World 8-3 using a 243 FPG! Watch the TAS here!
th-cam.com/video/MJgLHFj6r1Q/w-d-xo.html
I wonder if smb1 will ever unban left plus right at some point. prehaps if/when the absolute perfect time without L+R is achieved. I mean I know super mario kart allows L+R. so why not smb1?
This video is awesome.
4:54.881 is the record now
798 now
"Why 4:53 in Super Mario Bros. speedrunning is impossible" _2 years ago._
*Right on the side bar:* "Why 4:53 is possible" _3 months ago._
2:57 ah yes, Christmas Eve. Dec 10th
4:44 ah yes, June 5th. June 15th
nice video!
Everyone: plate one.
Literally everyone: plate one.
Lunatic J: P L EIGHT ONE
Great video btw
storster: plate eight one
no, its plate dash one
nah that's based on preference, not really common either ways.
And now we got an *upto* world 8 tas-tied (not complete) run, ahahah the days of sub-pixel tas-tying perfect runs are coming.
Very nice video
The year is 2031. The new world record is 4:50
"blazit" is comedy gold
Hey man, nice video! But i have one question, i am not able to run rom hacks in fceux, i already have the fds bios, but when i select the ips file, it says 'choose from archive', but why? Cant it just run the rom hack when i select the ips over the original rom? Bc i want to make a few TASES On the practice rom hack and im running into a problem, so can you maybe help me?
You have to patch a ROM with the IPS file first
EDIT: Forgot FCEUX supports automatic IPS patching. Make sure the filenames are EXACTLY the same. If the ROM or IPS is zipped, be sure to select the correct file when it asks you to choose.
You say impossible but someone's gonna find a way.
Would it be legal if you used code injection to optimize some of the slower portions of the game, then restart to beat the game at a faster speed?
2:57: Christmas Eve
3:00: *DECEMBER 10TH*
3:16: December 5th
Also 3:16: *DECEMBER 15TH*
niftski has saved pal 1-1 tas framerule, a good first step to 4:53
Pal is not the same as NTSC
@@defaultusername1145 i know but it still would be 4:53 in super mario bros
A 4:53 is possible in Super Mario Bros. Extended! Watch the TAS here!
th-cam.com/video/MJgLHFj6r1Q/w-d-xo.html
@@AlbertTheGamer-gk7sn ok and that’s not super Mario bros that’s a mod of super Mario bros
I like at 3:30 you say First lmao 4:56
Jokes aside good video 👍
I have a question. When someone does play using a keyboard, do they use specific software or something to avoid accidentally pressing both left and right at the same time?
I believe the emulator Niftski uses prevents simultaneous left+right and up+down
@@LunaticJ. That makes sense. Thanks for the reply!!
Good video
Good video
@@stillaveryy ok
@@Thelxinoe no, not particularly
Good luck with 4:54 man!
@@LunaticJ Thanks!
But WHAT IF...
Someone find a way to save another 21 frame framerule?
And WHAT IF it has plenty of frames to spare, making it possible?
You never know...
A 4:53 is possible in Super Mario Bros. Extended! A new framerule was saved in World 8-3 using a 243 FPG! There are 11 frames to spare! Watch the TAS here!
th-cam.com/video/MJgLHFj6r1Q/w-d-xo.html
MY BOY NIFTSKI
Oil and water taste great together. 2:07
very good. I approve
:D
5:52 I know you probably know this, but you make it seem as if fpg is subpixel perfect, where in reality it is subpixel precise, down to 4 subpixels in precision, or 1/4th of a pixel
It's time to break the misconception of "can't press left and right at the same time". I believe.
Ya after I made this Lekukie showed how it was possible
Left and Right at the same time would be possible on original hardware if your controller was somehow broken. Or if you had a dance mat.
@@TheRatsintheWalls AAAAAAAAAAA
Oh, Super Mario Kart speedruns actually allow simultaneous left-right inputs because SNES/SFC controllers actually become capable of that through normal wear and tear.
someone said you could press both by pressing extremely hard in the middle
Tell that to Kosmic.
Excellent video! Glad to be subscribed x)
At 18:18 you say that the last remaining frame will be impossible to save. I don't know SMB1 well but I know one thing: never say never in speedrunning!
The frame has been saved in real time using savestates by HitzCritz (th-cam.com/video/BGA7lHSTtCI/w-d-xo.html) it's just a matter of time before it's saved in a full room, and eventually in a full level :p
"Impossible" is the dumbest thing to say in the context of speedruns. Highly improbable is better but ive seen so many "tas only" strats get implemented in actual runs I cant in good faith say that something will never be done. Take Karl jobst for example, the number of times he showed a new strat then said "it will likely never be done by people" only for him to come back a year later showing the strat being done by people.
And now the frame has been saved in an IL run. The human sum of best is tied with the rta rules TAS :)
What is more huge, the Rainbow Road ultrashortcut or this?
the ultra shortcut is slightly harder IMO
What's the background music in the intro?
Would love to see Mario mod with a grapple hook
18:07 why is the left and right inputs banned in speedruns?
Impossible to do on original controller
@@ThaAwesome10 possible but only in certain cases
Well,Niftski hit us up with another WR with 4:54.798 being the first person the hit the .7xx mark
Truly amazing.
Edit:link to the video th-cam.com/video/UY6slAvxQSU/w-d-xo.html
A 4:53 is possible in Super Mario Bros. Extended! Watch the TAS here!
th-cam.com/video/MJgLHFj6r1Q/w-d-xo.html
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I have to wonder how low the time could get if there were no framerules. If every frame you saved actually counted.
I'd estimate a little over a second. I don't know how close each level is to saving a framerule, but there are seven times when it matters (end of 1-1, 1-2, 4-1, 4-2, 8-1, 8-2, and 8-3). If we assume each one ends in the middle of a framerule, that's about 70 frames "wasted".
It seems like the framerules are the only reason this is even remotely possible for a human to do, to match up with the TAS. If it weren't for them creating unintentionally forced leeway, no human could ever match the impossible ability of a speedrunning tool, no matter how good they were (see: frames that cannot humanly be saved on OG hardware) but because they exist the playing field is, generally, unintentionally levelled into brackets of success, with a teeny tiny window where humans could produce functionally equal results to a 'perfect recording.'
@@Starfloofle 8-4 is nearly a frame away from perfection and frame rules doesn’t matter even in some levels that uses framerule humans are only 1-3 frames from the tas
Someone actually did do the first room falling excel. On controller. So it can be a bit lower
Lekukie tied Maru's TAS in 8-4
@@wiirambo7437 im late to respong but thank u for bringing that to my attention. Im so happy 🥰