Hardware Takes Longer But Sounds Better than DAW's
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2024
- In my opinion, hardware takes longer but sounds better. Let me know what you think?
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Hardware wins with sound every single time, software wins with proficiency every single time
True!
if we take the same kick from a sample pack. put it in maschine mk3 and mpc, or sp404, does that kick sound better in hardware?
What audio recording has ever been produced without using software? It’s all a myth everything is hybrid to some degree it’s just to what point how many times it’s been converted and the quality of those converters at each stage which by the time it reaches your sampler is already aLOT.
@@repoman5581 the same as getting an interface and re sampling through it
@@Reggi_SampleYou think Mozart had Ableton huh
Not only the sound quality the immediacy of hardware is unmatched!
Yes!
Even the MPC software sounds different from other DAW's for some reason.
Yes it does!
Yes i definitely agree with you about hardware sounding really good. I use hardware in my production, the difference between the software, hardware is that hardware has a more open airy sound. Also the keyboards and machines have analog circuitry , which comes out the outputs and into the input which help power the sound.
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When I first started producing I learned in an analog studio. Mackie boards with remotes running into ADAT machines. I love that sound mixing was easy as hell on that format, when I built my own and realized how much that equipment actually is it was cheaper to go digital. If I had a choice it would be hardware all day, but yeah nobody hears the difference anyway.
Yeah, physical mixing and mastering equipment is no punk when it comes to prices. Those joints are definitely gonna run your pockets.
I hear the difference the hardware always had a more fuller sound
The conversion in the A/D D/A converters is the magic!!
Yeh true like the A/D and D/A converters on my Mpc 3000 sound amazing so warm, low end sounds incredible and that’s coming straight out the box without any plugins or effects etc. only thing with using 3k is trying to get samples in to it 😂
MPC's is basically a computer/controller with a DAW like program inside it. It's all a mind thing cuz In the core of all standalone hardware equipment is a computer/operation system. The difference may lie in each tool's factory pre settings or template which can always be altered.
Basically a computer? A ape 🦍 has arms and feet but that don’t make it basically a human 😭. Point is yes the new mpcs give you a lot of benefits that you would have on a computer but don’t get it twisted the sound, the workflow, the overall experience is very different
Ive been using Ableton for awhile now, it was a situation building a pc to run it the way I wanted. Went the round with different mixers and ways to plug in outside of just midi. Eventually, I came across the Delta 101 audio card, solved all my problems. Sounds great no matter what ins are being run. I agree though, something is to be said for the warmth of self sustained instruments.
Facts.
This is a topic I have been so interested in the last few weeks - I do want external hardware gear (500 series) which I know is a little different than what you're talking about here but same concept.
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I remember making beats on a drum machine back in the day and I totally agree 100% with the points you made Bolo.
(Edit) I use Ableton nowadays, and yeah... if you don't use any of Ableton's built in effects like Drum Bus,etc. , stuff comes out a little plastic and generic. That's where hardware emulation plug ins come in at.
You can use the daw to control hardware, especially with studio one's external instrument.
Yep
I thought it was funny too. I agree 100%. I enjoy using hardware to create and software to arrange
It seems like this Hardware should have a Daw built in that you can control from a computer through a midi cable and blue tooth to transfer samples from the computer to the hardware.
I wish lol
@@BoloDaProducer not even blue tooth or a midi cable really but a USB cable should do it.
@@Sneakycat1971 You can do this with ableton live basically but it will require a shitload of midi routing with your Samplers + a large mixing board and a sound card with 8 or more inputs/outputs. If u work with Elektron Devices you can also transfer everything via usb.
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Amen Bolo 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼💯💯💯 hardware all day sonically better
I realized that I wrote more and had more fun with music when all I had was a keyboard, bass, mixer and 4 track recorder. DAWs and Virtual instruments are great, but I get distracted by all the bells and whistles.
You gotta a point, because when I used to compose in my Motif, it was easier, faster and the sound was "tighter." But now I used studio One and I use the Mix Fx on my bus to get that "analog" sound and feel
I will mention this also. If you can buy a summing mixer to run your sounds thru. I bought the dangerous summing box. The reverbs and fxs and the way things sit after running thru it sounds amazing.
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I LOVE my MPC, but I recently invested in some software to try new things and be a better producer .
I learn every time thanks Bolo
Man I really needed bolo 20 years ago, I've learned alot man your needed and appreciated, thanks bolo,???????
I use Abelton. But it is challenging
Dope observation… me and my guy Silver always preferred hardware over software even tho we have every daw imaginable.
You gotta admit though...the ableton crew especially changed modern music.
Glitchmob specifically is so damned epic. And Gjones is like adhd sci fi turned into every last sound never heard yet lol.
I love the glitch and dnb(and post dubstep) scenes.
The daw scene has changed music forever, and is perhaps the last great innovation before guided AI music and synth generation becomes even more predominant than it already is.
The Theory of Music is perhaps complete now.
You put me on to zzounds a couple weeks ago and I wanna thank you for that I am completely thankful for that!
Analog is KING!! Ole' skool.👊
Ain’t nothing like being able to turn that equipment on and start vibin, no computer distractions
Analog always wins
Great Video, I use my Fantom X and my Trition extreme and midi sync the sequence over to a daw, I always get , how you get your sound to sound professional. Its all hardware, hardware synths sounds amazing especially the old synth. All 80s, 90s, early 2000 tracks was made using hardware synth send to a mixer or multitrack. Like you said, you can make anything sound great if your good at what you have. Here is a quote from the great Bruce Lee " Absorb what is useful, Discard what is not, add what is uniquely your own."
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Nice vid, one of my favorite channels to watch. One thing to note is that many hardware synths and keyboards are made for live performances and they have to cut through a dense "live sound environment" like through other instruments, singers and crowd noise. For this reason, I think hardware keyboards are actually created to sit in a mix well. For me, I enjoy producing using synths and keyboards because it's fun and I like that I'm tracking with audio (not midi) which gets me closer to a finished song. Then on top of that, the tracks sounds closer to being mixed. Mind you, I'm running them through a DI box and some specialty preamps most of the time.
Bolo with the producer dad jokes!!! Hard-ware!!!! 😂😂
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You can NOT beat hardware for audio fidelity and warmth. The same as say vinyl versus digital. You need both to have a full sound in my humble opinion. Great video per usual.
I want the Yamaha Modx. Maybe one day 🙏🏾
It will happen!
I’m already here for this one…..
Great video bro! 🔥🔥🔥
Cool video. It was great running into you at Walmart yesterday. Keep up the great work!
Its just facts bolo.People get butt hurt but its just facts,its nothing wrong with making beats on a daw straight in the box but hardware just naturally sounds bigger,all
you need is a set of ears to hear it.Salute to all the daw producers making platinum hits keep banging out but still and at the beginning and end of the day hardware sounds bigger and fuller.Period.
Thing is tho. Its only producers that's caring. Artist and listeners just want a beat that sounds good and listen to. If it makes your head bop its on. People not thinking about "oh that string rich" You producing for the producer or the artist
Thanks I really need to hear this You have helped me alot to make the perfect decision for studio producing I've been watching your videos for over 2 years now you're videos are really helpful Thank you
You are 100% right.
My MPC 2500 & Fantom G have been collecting dust ever since I switched to the MPC Studio back in 2015.
But the MPC 2500/Fantom sounds so much better & was way easier to mix.
It’s time to get back to it.
About to look at some of these new Fantoms.
Hardware is actually quicker and better for me💪🏾… only thing is people argue that midi is better for being able to quantize/ correct/ or change sounds
Resampling and modulation is a powerful tool. You can do that with hardware also though.
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Yo… for that reason . Especially modulation! Modulation in analog synths actually made me give up workstations, I’d take a dope prophet, or Juno over a Yamaha or a Korg workstation
@@briann5001 Yeah, a Juno is a beautiful sound. I don't own any real hardware synths, but that is an iconic one.
Moogs and minimoogs sound great also. Even the facsimiles and "new" ones sound great.
@@briann5001 You gotta love some of those Roland keyboard noises though. And the yamaha electric piano(and grand piano sample/synth) sounds are choice af.
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good breakdown
Ugh These Are Facts !!!!!
Hardware always sounds better!!
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Take a splice or arcade or NI expansion or any computer based sound and run it through a ASR 10.
Or a s950.
You’ll see!
Peace Bro! I really enjoy all of your content, with your large audience, really hoping the Falcons and Nike is paying you something to advertise their Brands, if not, please do all of your content with only Bolo gear. Just my opinion. Salute!
I agree with this message
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Bolo, please do a video of you bouncing your tracks or going through the analog chain. Seeing is believing.
Hard Ware: ba dum tizz! LOL! Awesome video brother! Thanks!!!
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There's no wrong way to eat a Reeses and there's no wrong way to record your music. I appreciate hardware only, software only, or a hybrid of both.
True!
Facts. And and its the same with android vs apple. Someone people like one or the other. They both work and do well
Some people like fl studio and they wont touch anything else and i understand why
I’m going to switch my setup up!!! I’m going to upgrade to the new Roland Fantom with AL Push2 with LPX and AL!!!! I’m going to use the best of both worlds!!!
Metro’s new album is mostly Mpc👍🏽
My position on the topic is that a COMBINATION is the most deadly. My humble “poor man’s” setup is: Mac Air 2 laptop that costed around 1.5k (beefy enough RAM to do the job), a Behringer Poly D synth (based almost exactly on the trillion dollar original Minimoog; sounds fat as fuck) and a Focusrite Scarlet 2i2 to make love between them. So really, kinda a simple but trick modern setup. Of course I have studio speakers, I have an American Fender Strat, I have a Blues Deluxe tweed amp (which sounds delicious), but these are auxiliary to my current production process, because I don’t have a valuable guitar mic. So really, it’s synth for bass and lead, interface, into my computer for everything production concerned. And honestly, it’s not bad. Some will say you lose some “warmth” from digitizing the analog signal of an analog synth through an interface and into a DAW, but honestly, I think that’s sentimental bull crap. I mean, maybe it’s true to the obsessive ear, but I think the point of having hardware instruments is that it gives you assurance that you’re dealing with a real instrument so the sound is true and realistic. I don’t always trust a 50-dollar plugin in terms of authenticity and sound quality and would rather spend the $500-$1,500 on a nice juicy synth that I can play with my fingers. Conversely, I don’t see the need to spend a fortune on all-hardware workflow products like mixers and recorders just so I can say my vibe is so “90s” and its analog signal front-to-back, tape track sequencing and all. I mean it’s cool if you’re rich and have a degree in music production, but for normal people, it’s like buying a rare classic car for daily commuting. When it comes to actual production infrastructure, lean into the 21st century, get a DAW, and call it a day. Leave the “hardware” ritual to awesome synths and real guitars that you can then record into your DAW.
Good video, can you do a video of a strictly hardware setup and show some of the things needed and connecting them all together before moving what you create to a Daw.
I'll put it like this...I like brass instruments. and until this day I have yet to find a vst with some full, rich, brass like the ones from the Motif XS/XF/MOX/MODX. That includes some other sounds as well. It isn't as convenient as vst's but the sound quality and thickness is way better.
The workaround to achieve the same thing with a daw is to go out the individual analog outs and come back in.
That extra step from digital to analog to 1/4 cables, then to analog to digital adds something to the sound. Which is basically what your hardware gear is doing. Your hardware is a daw with digital to analog converters.
Ableton magically clicked for me when I sat in on a session with TecBeatz at A3C one year. Either him or SoundOracle could probably change your life with Ableton.
I would agree with this for analog synths and real instruments. However, stuff like workstation keyboards like the MODX, you can the equivalent and probably better (given the higher quality of virtual instruments over most workstation sounds) by running outs of your audio interface into the inputs. Same exact concept. In that regard I’d say that the digital keyboards aren’t better sonically
Agreed with everything! Daws are for efficiency but hardware is for sonics.
I went through about 8-10 vintage hardware samplers in the last few years and saw that a hybrid approach is the way. It just shapes each sound into a similar spectrum and you can throw that into a DAW to spice things up and youll be done.
One of the strongest arguments in favor of analog synthesis and hardware is 2 fold.
1. Limitations breed creativity.
2. Even industry software synths can be a pain to tune, and the presets often sound like trash(or everything else). Analog synths/hardware tend to sound good with minimal tuning, and the presets are less...shall we say, "demo mode" sounding.
That being said, a high end soft synth WILL sound amazing. Once you know what you are doing. As will some random vst you find at 2am.
"👍🏼Yeah I have a hardware Roland 1080
rk-mount synth. It sounds very noticeably
warmer than it's vst counterpart - no 🧢..,
The depth/dimension is REAL !!!
To achieve this with vst instruments, you'd
be better off re-recording the vst synths
analog by using stereo paired mics. It
solves a lot of the work in trying to get the
*'3D-Sound* with in the box techniques."
Nice Post Bolo 💯
i agree hardware sounds better
I like hardware as well when I can get what I want.
I just listened to my cd from 2003 we used all hardware and recorded on tape it’s sounds much better than when I started using daws hits harder and warm sound .. I’m going back into hardware mpcx and Roland famtom
I agree 100% For the actual music composition process, I prefer hardware anyday over software. Now for recording, mixing, and even sound design when it comes to shaping drums, the DAW is like a best friend.
Yes, tracking out all of the instruments can be a pain in the butt if you have to sync everything and run multiple passes one at a time. However, if you have a big enough interface with enough inputs where you can run everything straight into the interface on separate outputs and track everything in one pass after it has all been composed and sequenced (using the hardware sequencer of course), it's GRAVY!!! That's how I do it.
The reward and satisfaction I get is the fact the recorded tracks already pretty much sound the way I want them to from the get go and there's really not a whole lot that need to be done as far as mixing other than than just level balancing, maybe a little EQing and/or compression if necessary, and perhaps some effects (choruses, reverbs, delays, etc....). That's basically it!
Dude I went crazy and went and bout all hardware 😂
Proud of you, my dude! Your videos are well-produced and informative. I think you are the same dude that was on MVNation back in the day and we traded some "patches" for the MV. LOL! If you're not the same dude, your content here is still on point! Keep up the great work, Bro! DJ 14K
What great timing for a video, just put together an out of the box setup to compliment my in the box one (working with Macshine S88 and Mk3 with Logic on Mac). Hydra-Synth, Mini Freak as my synths, SP 404 Mk2 as my sampler, and MC 707 for tracking and drums (707 sample time is like 6 minutes stereo vs I don't know like an hour on the Sp 404). I have them hooked up to an old but powerful Windows PC in case I run out of tracks on the 707. It's been a learning curve but, a rewarding one.
He is right about his take on FL studio...takes more work and time. And time we dont have
It would be 🔥🔥🔥 to actually see how you do the hardware resample process through the analogue gear
You can absolutely sound huge with software. Software is key to making modern electronic music. Getting loud and full tracks gets damn scientific (Like lab coat and clipboard lol) with some of those genres. I'd suggest checking out "Baphometrix - Clip to zero production strategy" for an insight into how some of those producers and getting ridiculously loud, yet clean mixdowns.
The benefit of hardware is the way it forces you to work. This is why I'm building up my gear again after purging for awhile. You gotta get it right at the source with hardware and not get lost in the infinity of options that software can provide. The less decisions a producer has to make the better each decision will be. This is why I'm using a hybrid approach and trying to be focused with a clearly defined process whether in or out of the box. The money chain on the way in is kinda baked into the sample libraries (most of them) I picked up - good raw analog drum sounds tracked through a money chain and in some cases sampled into a classic mpc or sp1200... I layer them in the box and use good plugins (both instrument and processing) to tie it all together. No need going another round trip on conversion usually, unless I purposely want to hit a guitar pedals or use the pres and EQ on the vintage desk I got sitting here- in that case I'm going for the old school rough n ready sound.
Just my 2 cents.
Ima grab a drum 🥁 kit an check out the hype on em.
Facts. More work but the results are superior to virtual instruments. I am investing in more hardware synths like the Arturia Minifreak. Yes, there is a plug in version but there is a noticeable difference vs the hardware. Nothing like analog circuitry hitting the converters of a quality interface. I sometimes run the hardware instruments through an old mixer and then into the interface. Believe it or not, clients are noticing the difference. For those who are serious, I offer analog summing using the Dangerous Music D-Box. Less processing after the fact with hardware. Great video!
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What ssl do you have?
Just made my first track on MPC live 2 with the Roland fantom 06 there’s definitely a difference in what I’ve been making
Well what about analog vs digital..?
A real oscillator on a bass synth (minimoog or Behringer model D) sounds WAY better than any digital synth or DAW.
But modern softsynths are beginning to sound so good, you can’t really tell if it’s analog or not.
I pretty much own only analog synths. Full analog VCO synths and it’s something software can’t quite emulate. The only digital synth I have is the Virus TI2 and I still think the sound beats any virtual instrument I have.
But like you said. The average listener does not gaf. It’s all personal preference for us music guys. I agree that using hardware gets you a better mix faster. You don’t need as many elements to make it sound fuller. Easy to do the “less is more” approach when doing music with hardware imo.
I’m putting a live ambient hardware rig together right now and every time man I am like whyyyyyy am I doing this haha. But woah once you have some aux chains set up then you know why.
Hard....ware ?
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Hard....wear ?
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Time for my morn...ing or mourn....ing coffee. 😂
In the box Software is like 3 day old stale oatmeal with ground up cardboard thrown in🤣🤣🤣
Great video Bolo! I've been creating on the MPC KEYS 61 for about 3 months now. I really love it! I definitely hear a difference between the MPC N Logic.. You mentioned you run it into a your preamp. I didn't know you can do that 🤦🏽♂️. Anytime I use the MPC ive been disconnecting the monitor cables from my Focusrite interface to go into the MPC. Then reconnecting the cables to the Interface to use Logic. Any tips on a better set up I'd appreciate bro 🙏🏽
That’s if I’m using additional outboard gear like a another keyboard.
@@BoloDaProducer Ok word. Appreciate the reply
i never understood the point of hardware but ive also never touched anything more advanced than a 49 key keyboard. i understand now, and i do plan onlooking out for some hardware.
You should try Harrison Daw it definitely sounds different.......it Sounds Anolog
I got it… it’s cool..
I think hardware sounds better because of the output gain that is on the instruments as well as whatever other hardware you are running them into versus software is always limited to your audio card. You can have the latest software VST running on the most powerful computer you can afford but if you are running the basic audio drivers MME, DX ASIO, etc. or you have an audio device where they didn’t use the best AD/DA converters along with other things such as Frequency Response, Output Impedance, Dynamic Range, Gain Control Range etc. it can sound different on every device you play it on. Kind of like how earphones and speakers can make a track sound different. To sum it all up, garbage in, garbage out.
I would like to try hardware but my pockets cant handle those price tags.
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Hardwares is way more fast and in your face and sounds waaaaay more beefy. i totally agree...nowadays, you need a mouse, a laptop, a interface a midi this a plug in that !! maaan its so annoying... Don't get me wrong I'm interested and love daws ... but give me hardware any day.
The low octave notes hit harder on hardware.
Great video, Bolo. I come from planet analog and totally agree with your opinion. I've used more analog gear than digital from the Akai S-950, Ensoniq ASR, Yamaha SY77 and of course all of the MPC's. I once spoke to Rodger Linn who told me about the differences between the SP1200 and the MPC 60II. The SP1200 had 12bit outputs vs 16bits on the MPC which resulted in a cleaner vs dirty sound. It was through that conversation that he guided me towards Bruce Forat and sent my MPC to him for a full-blown modification of the output circuit board boosting the signal to +4db's. It made other MPC's wanna retire 😂😂 Check out Bruce Forat online. ✌🏽
It depends on the hardware , nobody telling me a cheap casio sounds better than some vst synth piano. While hardware may sound better it doesn't produce the greatest workflow, furthermore it brings in the new modern workflow called hybrid.
I have a Yamaha motif 88 original.
That’s assuming you have any computer experience I don’t and I’ve lost so many tracks and music trying to learn also it’s not that much more expensive really because they’re all the ones that are that expensive you might as well rent one out or a studio and the laptop thing you need a producer or you’ll have some reactions and people get tempted but they won’t even be themselves so if the market wasn’t popular with the W-2s they would make hardware that is reliable as an iPhone
@@Mikepo587 I had to put in the work to learn and I'm still learning, however I believe this is why team work is essential, I give my 9-5 12 hours out of my life and then I have to give sleep hours out of my life, but yet I learn and I lost files from hardwear & software.
Big up.I been knowin this since i was 14 all i have is hardware.it has its own dedicated cpu boards and chips.now if they start building laptops with roland chips in them its a fckin wrap.
True!!
I can’t get into Ableton either lol 3:53
True analog sounds better, my moog one sounds incredible but for modern stuff, there are so many fx applied to sounds and tweaking going on that you can’t do outside the computer. You’ll spend just as much time adding fx to the outboard stuff to make it fit todays over processing.
hybrid. im 45 and my music starts on hardware and ends up in the daw. there is no reason to pick one over the other
You ever fux with "musique concrete" techniques?
Found sound, foley, natural reverb recording(in unique physical spaces), etc?
Rumor has it that Aphex bought an actual bank vault back in the day for reverb lol.
You maybe right to a certain point but I have the Yamaha montage8 and doesn't sound better than keyscape or omnisphere
I got all 3.. only difference, to me…is effects.
@@BoloDaProducer I have notice when I play keyscape or omnishpere through the montage it sounds better than any other controller I use I guess it because the montage has a built in audio interface 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Thought 💭 you’ve already had a topic on this before.
I did, but the newer views never saw the older video
Oh okay!!! Bet
Hardware Sounds better. Except when it comes to the Ravenscroft 275 and Keyscape C7!
Definitely agree, HW sounds fatter, beefier, clearer. I'll use my Roland FA06 before I use the Roland plugins. Same goes for hardware processing preamps, compressors, eq.
Hardware straight up sounds better.
However if you’re a decent producer, you can easily make up the difference.